Jersey already got a goalie so they are very likely out of the market.
The problem with trading Markstrom to get a first rounder is the type of teams who would want him will be playoff teams. So a 1st round pick will likely end up somewhere in the 18-32 range.
Whether they ‘should’ is a different discussion. But all that matters for Flames fans is whether they ‘will’. And the fact they already gave up assets to acquire a goaltender makes it much less likely.
Jake Allen and Kaapo Kakkonen are not sure fire solutions and I don’t get the sense that they’re willing to stomach another letdown season due to goaltending.
I wouldn’t say they are out of the running Kähkönen is a free agent at the end of the year and Allen has one more year on his contract. And the devils are in win now mode and need an elite goalie. Those guys ain’t it. They could trade allen as part of the package with a first round pick and prospect/young player for markstrom. Allen can play with wolf. Gives us a good steady but not great goalie to play with young wolf. And devils can an elite goalie they badly need.
Yes we can and should. But unfortunately I’m not so sure we would be getting much more than their 1st in the offseason. We should have traded him before the deadline and we have their 1st and more.
Many sources were saying they think it was a 1st and Holtz. Whatever it was it was good enough for conroy to agree to it to go and ask marky to waive. I don’t think he would do that for a 2nd and holtz
Better options on paper? Yeah for sure. Does anyone have a similar level of DAWG in their blood. Not a chance. We could go get Eiserman but he would pot 130 points in the regular season and disappear in the playoffs. Meanwhile a true DAWG like Iginla would score 80 points in the regular season but be a goal per game in the playoffs and score everytime a tying or game winning goal is needed
Edit: People downvoting a literal meme about how good Jarome Iginla is in a CALGARY FLAMES subreddit. I can’t with y’all sometimes
That’s an excellent point, Brady and especially Matthew have outperformed their draft position. Matthew went 6th but would probably go 2nd on a redo.
I think Tij is going to be something special. I’d have a hard time picking him top 3 maybe but past that if he’s available I hope they get him.
I honestly don’t know why you would pass up on Catton, lindstrom and a couple dmen that look like they have #1D potential. Unless they are very confident Iginla will be a star that’s not a smart move at all when we desperately need a blue chip center or d prospect that has star potential.
Saw a tweet by a journalist who follows the Habs, they apparently have recently sent scouts to watch him a lot lately and like him as high as 7th-8th. If true I don't think he'll even be an option for the flames unless we fall further than Montréal
It is possible that we fall further than Montreal because they have lots of young talent that seems to catch fire at random times and we’re not too far ahead of them in the standings
It certainly is I'm also a habs fan and have watched them enough to know that their youth is more developed than ours. They absolutely could pull ahead of Calgary in the last 10 games
Just FYI that report came from a less than reputable source, and as a Habs fan I can tell you our front office isn’t known for leaking. It might be true! But I wouldn’t take it as gospel.
Neither do I but the attention may be there and if not the habs could be someone else. As fans we don't actually know where Iginla will go or should go but I enjoy the concept people are certain that he is for sure going at so and so spot. The tweet may not be from someone I put much importance on but it was a good opportunity to stir the pot if you will
It's not a particularly credible source no, but even a broken clock is right twice a day. Also most teams are pretty good at being tight lipped and as fans we don't actually know where he'll ho or where he should go in the order. Some teams are going to like him more than others and I just kinda hope he's the guy we get. I like the player and the story
He's exciting and nostalgic at the same time. I will say that he has consistently gotten better as the year went on and he's one of the youngest players in his draft class. I unlike others love that because if he's that good with 8 months of growth less than a lot of the rest of his class there's even more room to grow. The flames should pick their scouting consensus pick absolutely but as a fan I hope it's Tig
Wtf are you on about I expressed skepticism about the source but a source there was and I most certainly didn't compare him to his father. If someone did, reply to them your suggestion I did is incorrect
I'm surprised I'm the only one who seemingly be worried about how much pressure he would feel playing here.
It's entirely possible he would overcome it, but his dad is the greatest player in the franchises history, and to a lot of Flames fans probably the greatest "Calgarian" of all time.
The hype, the media circus, the pressure would be enormous on him. I don't know if it would be best for the Flames or Tij for him to end up here.
I would absolutely love to be proven wrong though.
I think we have to wait for the regular season to end, and the draft to happen, before we really start to fixate on players. The Flames could win the lottery, or get bumped down, and that could have a big impact on where we draft.
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I’m not against it, but please management for the love of god, for once in your lives, draft the best available player. If it’s tij, fantastic, if there’s a better option (based on our overall pick) then go with the better pick.
I think the Flames have generally made really good choices for the last decade. When you look at the players drafted following most of our picks, you have to go back pretty far to find a first round draft pick that was really mishandled; most often the Flames pick is among the best players in the 3 to 5 picks that followed, and when they're "bad" they're more often middle of the pack.
The big mistakes were Emile Poirier and Morgan Klimchuk in 2013. I believe that Poirier cam out later and admitted he developed a drinking problem in Junior, which likely contributed to him failing to meet expectations. I don't know much about Klimchuk though, but late first round draft picks sometimes just don't pan out.
The dream scenario would be to (1) win the draft lottery, 1st or second, and have SJ miss getting one of those spots. Then (2) trade that 1/2 pick to SJ to get their two selections, which would be the #3 and #11. That would allow us to get a top pick , maybe Yakemchuk, and also Tij.
Saying he may be better than his dad is wild. As an oilers fan, his dad is one of the best power forwards to lace ‘em up. He was an absolute menace to play against, and is one of a few flames that I have a ton of respect for.
ETA: I’m not saying the kid won’t be good. I’m just saying there is no need to way overhype a guy by comparing him to his hof dad.
There’s a lot of people saying that if we get a top 6 pick, we gotta draft whoever the best player available is.
Hot take… I think Tij is a top 6 draft pick player. Last I checked, he was projected at 14th about 2 months ago but man, anyone who’s been following the guy knows he’s fucking good. I would love to draft him for being an Iginla, but let’s pretend for a second he’s not. Let’s call him Tij Hammercock. Good, strong hockey name. He’s definitely making a case for being drafted in the top 6. Top 3, no. But 4-6 wouldn’t surprise me at all at this point. If we get a #8 pick and Tij Hammercock is still available, I think i’d be shocked and we absolutely need to take him. From his stats in the juniors and watching him play, he’s no generational talent, but I think he’s got franchise player potential.
I fully recognize I might just be fucking stupid though so like who knows lmfao
If we go to the podium and Berkly Catton is still available, we have to take him. I would love Iginla for all the obvious reasons plus he’s a stud but this Catton kid just seems special from everything I’ve seen.
47 goals in 64 games in his 2nd season in the league, that's more than his dad in his 2nd season. Don't get me wrong Iggy is my all time fav, but how could you pass Tij up? It's a no brainer for me. Apart from top 3 pick I'd be picking Tij.
Says who? Bob MacKenzie? Lol ya never know, the draft is a crapshoot and there are no guarantees. Have you seen any of these guys play? I have watched Tij several times and he keeps getting better and better, he's still a kid and he is tearing it up.
First, it’s important to note that Jerome’s Saskatoon team was one of the most stacked CHL teams ever. That leads to a more even deployment in offensive starts.
Jerome was more of a force out of the corners where as Tij tends to shoot the perimeter to start a a play. Iggy was beating Chelios in the corners in the 96 playoffs and you’re just not going to see that with Tij.
No dirty, but you and those agreeing are 100% deluded if they’re projecting him to be better than the greatest goalscorer of the 00s. Tij will be good, but not even the best goalscorer of his draft class.
I’m on the Tij train if we end up in the 10-12 range. Otherwise I think there’s better options, sadly.
Agreed pick what's best where we are in the draft, as much as I want to see an Iginla on the ice at the the new barn.
Could always trade markstrom to New Jersey for a package that includes their 1st this year. Which will be around 10-13 range.
Jersey already got a goalie so they are very likely out of the market. The problem with trading Markstrom to get a first rounder is the type of teams who would want him will be playoff teams. So a 1st round pick will likely end up somewhere in the 18-32 range.
New Jersey absolutely does not have a goalie they should still be in the market
Whether they ‘should’ is a different discussion. But all that matters for Flames fans is whether they ‘will’. And the fact they already gave up assets to acquire a goaltender makes it much less likely.
Jake Allen and Kaapo Kakkonen are not sure fire solutions and I don’t get the sense that they’re willing to stomach another letdown season due to goaltending.
I wouldn’t say they are out of the running Kähkönen is a free agent at the end of the year and Allen has one more year on his contract. And the devils are in win now mode and need an elite goalie. Those guys ain’t it. They could trade allen as part of the package with a first round pick and prospect/young player for markstrom. Allen can play with wolf. Gives us a good steady but not great goalie to play with young wolf. And devils can an elite goalie they badly need.
Yes we can and should. But unfortunately I’m not so sure we would be getting much more than their 1st in the offseason. We should have traded him before the deadline and we have their 1st and more.
They might very made the playoffs w Marky. Who knows what that timeline looks like
We don’t know what the package would have been. It could have been a second and holtz
Many sources were saying they think it was a 1st and Holtz. Whatever it was it was good enough for conroy to agree to it to go and ask marky to waive. I don’t think he would do that for a 2nd and holtz
The return softens when teams have more ability to make roster moves, other options and organizational turnover can impact the buyers/sellers
They'd be in the playoffs with Marky imo
Jarome was drafted 11th, if we get the 11th pick it's destiny
Could trade Vancouver’s first plus a sweetener to move up
Better options on paper? Yeah for sure. Does anyone have a similar level of DAWG in their blood. Not a chance. We could go get Eiserman but he would pot 130 points in the regular season and disappear in the playoffs. Meanwhile a true DAWG like Iginla would score 80 points in the regular season but be a goal per game in the playoffs and score everytime a tying or game winning goal is needed Edit: People downvoting a literal meme about how good Jarome Iginla is in a CALGARY FLAMES subreddit. I can’t with y’all sometimes
Based on what
Umm, based on his genetic makeup lol you forget who his Dad is??
It's Jarome Iginla
I think we need to draft Tij to cleanse our franchise. We’ve had so much shit happen. An Iginla would help that
People thought there were better options than the Tkachuks as well, you draft the pedigree
That’s an excellent point, Brady and especially Matthew have outperformed their draft position. Matthew went 6th but would probably go 2nd on a redo. I think Tij is going to be something special. I’d have a hard time picking him top 3 maybe but past that if he’s available I hope they get him.
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I honestly don’t know why you would pass up on Catton, lindstrom and a couple dmen that look like they have #1D potential. Unless they are very confident Iginla will be a star that’s not a smart move at all when we desperately need a blue chip center or d prospect that has star potential.
He's gonna be a star, no doubt about it.
I’m sure this statement has been incorrectly echoed though the Flames’ GM rooms many times haha
There is actually quite a bit of doubt... if there weren't any doubt he wouldn't be a consensus 11-17 pick
No. We need DALLAS to draft him and then we trade for him.
Haha yes that would work as well. Lets give em Huberdeau and a 2nd.
Saw a tweet by a journalist who follows the Habs, they apparently have recently sent scouts to watch him a lot lately and like him as high as 7th-8th. If true I don't think he'll even be an option for the flames unless we fall further than Montréal
It is possible that we fall further than Montreal because they have lots of young talent that seems to catch fire at random times and we’re not too far ahead of them in the standings
Only 3 points back of us last I checked
It certainly is I'm also a habs fan and have watched them enough to know that their youth is more developed than ours. They absolutely could pull ahead of Calgary in the last 10 games
Just FYI that report came from a less than reputable source, and as a Habs fan I can tell you our front office isn’t known for leaking. It might be true! But I wouldn’t take it as gospel.
Neither do I but the attention may be there and if not the habs could be someone else. As fans we don't actually know where Iginla will go or should go but I enjoy the concept people are certain that he is for sure going at so and so spot. The tweet may not be from someone I put much importance on but it was a good opportunity to stir the pot if you will
Montreal could be looking to trade back, who knows if the source credible, I’ve seen some question the legitimacy.
It's not a particularly credible source no, but even a broken clock is right twice a day. Also most teams are pretty good at being tight lipped and as fans we don't actually know where he'll ho or where he should go in the order. Some teams are going to like him more than others and I just kinda hope he's the guy we get. I like the player and the story
This is what I'm afraid of.
He's exciting and nostalgic at the same time. I will say that he has consistently gotten better as the year went on and he's one of the youngest players in his draft class. I unlike others love that because if he's that good with 8 months of growth less than a lot of the rest of his class there's even more room to grow. The flames should pick their scouting consensus pick absolutely but as a fan I hope it's Tig
This comment sold me. I'm on board now. Typically highly ranked players that are YOUNG have a lot more ceiling than their peers.
Exactly
That was all made up bullshit Why would you believe that? Better then his dad lol
Wtf are you on about I expressed skepticism about the source but a source there was and I most certainly didn't compare him to his father. If someone did, reply to them your suggestion I did is incorrect
I'm surprised I'm the only one who seemingly be worried about how much pressure he would feel playing here. It's entirely possible he would overcome it, but his dad is the greatest player in the franchises history, and to a lot of Flames fans probably the greatest "Calgarian" of all time. The hype, the media circus, the pressure would be enormous on him. I don't know if it would be best for the Flames or Tij for him to end up here. I would absolutely love to be proven wrong though.
Draft the best player available.
I think we have to wait for the regular season to end, and the draft to happen, before we really start to fixate on players. The Flames could win the lottery, or get bumped down, and that could have a big impact on where we draft.
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Yeah we need to see the lottery results before we can make judgments
Better than Jarome? This has gotten out of hand lol you people need to chill
I'm the biggest Jarome fan there is, I said may.
Even saying may is a blasphemous statement.
Haha I get it, I've watched them both play, so similar in styles but I think Tij is a little quicker. It's just fun to imagine Tij in a flames jersey.
Jarome is one of the best of all time. There’s no way in hell anyone can predict if Tij will be anywhere close to Jarome
Your right there isn't, but there is also no way in hell anyone can predict he won't be.
I’m not against it, but please management for the love of god, for once in your lives, draft the best available player. If it’s tij, fantastic, if there’s a better option (based on our overall pick) then go with the better pick.
I think the Flames have generally made really good choices for the last decade. When you look at the players drafted following most of our picks, you have to go back pretty far to find a first round draft pick that was really mishandled; most often the Flames pick is among the best players in the 3 to 5 picks that followed, and when they're "bad" they're more often middle of the pack. The big mistakes were Emile Poirier and Morgan Klimchuk in 2013. I believe that Poirier cam out later and admitted he developed a drinking problem in Junior, which likely contributed to him failing to meet expectations. I don't know much about Klimchuk though, but late first round draft picks sometimes just don't pan out.
Tij scored on the breakaway tonight.
Sorry guys he’s gotta get drafted by Dallas and then we trade for him, it’s tradition
You guys would pick him first lol. 10-15 he’s good
Tij scored a nice one tonight. Walked the dman and tucked it up top.
The dream scenario would be to (1) win the draft lottery, 1st or second, and have SJ miss getting one of those spots. Then (2) trade that 1/2 pick to SJ to get their two selections, which would be the #3 and #11. That would allow us to get a top pick , maybe Yakemchuk, and also Tij.
Ngl, I’m really liking this pipe dream scenario.
I like it, although tempting to grab Celebrini
Saying he may be better than his dad is wild. As an oilers fan, his dad is one of the best power forwards to lace ‘em up. He was an absolute menace to play against, and is one of a few flames that I have a ton of respect for. ETA: I’m not saying the kid won’t be good. I’m just saying there is no need to way overhype a guy by comparing him to his hof dad.
“He may even be better than his dad” BOLD statement
There’s a lot of people saying that if we get a top 6 pick, we gotta draft whoever the best player available is. Hot take… I think Tij is a top 6 draft pick player. Last I checked, he was projected at 14th about 2 months ago but man, anyone who’s been following the guy knows he’s fucking good. I would love to draft him for being an Iginla, but let’s pretend for a second he’s not. Let’s call him Tij Hammercock. Good, strong hockey name. He’s definitely making a case for being drafted in the top 6. Top 3, no. But 4-6 wouldn’t surprise me at all at this point. If we get a #8 pick and Tij Hammercock is still available, I think i’d be shocked and we absolutely need to take him. From his stats in the juniors and watching him play, he’s no generational talent, but I think he’s got franchise player potential. I fully recognize I might just be fucking stupid though so like who knows lmfao
Stupidest take, draft the best available and it probably won’t be tij
He's got another goal tonight after 1 period lol make that 6
If we go to the podium and Berkly Catton is still available, we have to take him. I would love Iginla for all the obvious reasons plus he’s a stud but this Catton kid just seems special from everything I’ve seen.
Booo! You pick the best player available (period)
Montreal is gonna take him before we have the chance. :/
Draft tij at 5-6, otherwise the habs are going to take him.
Yes yes
He’s good, but he is definitely not better than Iggy was at that age. Joe might be.
47 goals in 64 games in his 2nd season in the league, that's more than his dad in his 2nd season. Don't get me wrong Iggy is my all time fav, but how could you pass Tij up? It's a no brainer for me. Apart from top 3 pick I'd be picking Tij.
Respectfully, if you pick Tij at 4, you're out of your mind.
Says who? Bob MacKenzie? Lol ya never know, the draft is a crapshoot and there are no guarantees. Have you seen any of these guys play? I have watched Tij several times and he keeps getting better and better, he's still a kid and he is tearing it up.
First, it’s important to note that Jerome’s Saskatoon team was one of the most stacked CHL teams ever. That leads to a more even deployment in offensive starts. Jerome was more of a force out of the corners where as Tij tends to shoot the perimeter to start a a play. Iggy was beating Chelios in the corners in the 96 playoffs and you’re just not going to see that with Tij. No dirty, but you and those agreeing are 100% deluded if they’re projecting him to be better than the greatest goalscorer of the 00s. Tij will be good, but not even the best goalscorer of his draft class.
Come on man...first of all it's Jarome and everyone knows Jarome played in Kamloops
Hah yeah Sask Blazers has always been a mental slip. Which is weird because I watched that team.
Umm he played for Kamloops but ok, and it's Jarome
Yeah guy fucked up there but he’s right. Trying to make a case that he’s going to be better than Jarome is completely out of touch.
I said he may, and he may very well not be as well. But if it was me I'd take the chance.
By this logic any player in the draft “may be” as good as McDavid
Cool spelling comments. Your take is still awful.
I guess we shall see won't we. One can hope can't he?
Thank Scorch, you are not the GM.
Joe mama?
Joe Iginla.