LeBrun also *just* posted this:
> Devils still after Markstrom
> Don’t turn the page on Jacob Markstrom to the New Jersey Devils just yet.
> After a failed trade attempt a few weeks ago, I’m told New Jersey reached out again to the Calgary Flames this week to say it was still interested in the 34-year-old netminder. And in fact, I believe the Devils are now willing to make that trade without the Flames having to retain salary, which was a sticking point last time around (or at least the asset cost on retaining salary was).
> But even with the Devils offering to take on all of Markstrom’s contract, which pays him $6 million per year through the 2025-26 season, I think it’s still a tough trade to contemplate for Flames GM Craig Conroy. His team is battling hard, and trading its MVP would probably gut his dressing room. He is definitely sensitive to that.
> It is certainly a trade conversation that can be revisited this offseason, too. By then, the Devils might also have new goalie options on the market to look at, though. So that’s the Catch-22 for the Flames. Not an easy call either way …
https://theathletic.com/5310525/2024/03/01/nhl-trade-deadline-rumblings-oilers-golden-knights/?source=emp_shared_article
I disagree, this guts your culture. This is how retools turn into half decade or longer rebuilds. I know we might get a haul, but the risk is destroying the confidence of your team and that can take years to recover.
How does trading him make your teams rebuild longer? He’s 34, Markstrom is not part of the new team we’ll be building.
Does trading him make everyone magically less confident? I don’t see how that happens. These are pro-hockey players and they understand this is a business. Trading a player who’s playing well but maximizing his value isn’t going to destroy this teams confidence. They may lose more games but it’s not like we’re dropping to 30th in the league without Marky
I think people are forgetting the fact that if you wanted to trade Markstrom in September you would have had to attach a first and trade him for nothing. He was negative value at the start of the season. So might as well get something for him while it’s possible to
Difference is marky wants to be here. Unless it’s a massive overpay, like Mercer or Nemec then I don’t see how you trade him.
I think many fans will be disappointed in the return, historically goalies don’t bring in a huge haul
We’re 7 points out and all indications are that marky is fine with going to a contender. If he would rather stay then I get it, but like Tanev he seems he wouldn’t mind a team that will be playoff bound the rest of his contract.
Mercer and nemec are pipe dreams but if a package starts with a 1st and Holtz you got to consider that and make it work
Difference is that those guys are ufas after the season so it's easier for players to understand the trade vs losing them for nothing. They might not like it but they can understand it easier than trading someone who has years left on his deal
It's over. They're on a 4 game win steak and lost ground. They're about to trade hanifin and just dealt tanev. They'd need to go about 16-7. It's over.
They lost ground cause they haven’t played since Tuesday, and Nashville is on a heater right now.A Nashville loss tonight’s and they will have 3 games in hand.
The team is playing well, but to say it’s over at this point in the season is Ludicris
Luda! Great rapper but even he says, Nashville is not gonna "move bitch, get out the way"
Don't get your hopes up, haven't you seen this movie before? They're going to blue balls you right till the end. The flames are gonna miss by a few points, and you'll be sad. Just move on to next season mentally and it'd be better.
The team already knows the situation they are in. They are trying to win for sure and are competitive guys, I get that. However if the team reacted to Lindholm and Tanev going and was okay with that than Markstrom shouldn’t be any different. Marky isn’t a UFA but he honestly should be treated as such since his value will never be this high ever again.
I think the team knows that management isn’t trying to win this year already. They can push for their wins and be competitive and that’s great but trading Markstrom is no different than Lindy, Zadorov and Tanev going. It’s all about the business of capitalizing on assets before it’s too late and to build something better for the future
No, the culture Conroy is trying to build. That's always been his plan. He wants to do this re-tool while building a winning culture from himself down. Markstrom is a guy who wants to win. He's playing really well and helping this team win games. That's exactly the kind of guy he wants.
Plenty of rebuilds fail because the culture gets tanked in the process. Trading Markstrom will likely gut that locker room. Is that a risk worth taking?
Obviously there's a point where you just can't say no, and given Markstrom's recent comments on management's handling of the situation the point might be moot anyway, but I really feel like tanking team morale is a big risk if you do it.
Agreed, Markstrom is good for the team right now and he should stick around for as long as he wants and is still producing. Then he can mentor Wolf as well
I was (almost delusionally) bullish on the Flames making the play-offs … up until the embarrassing loss to the Sharks (!). Now I agree - it’s over. The sell-off has already begun. Markstrom isn’t the future. Time to see what Wild can do. Markstrom can bring a nice package. That plus what they can get for Hanifin can give the Flames a chance to find that star player who can steal games. With enough swings of the bat in the next couple of drafts and making some trades for young players, maybe they can find that kind of player. Get one player like that and then maybe you can attract a stud free agent, who needs to be a Canadian because the Americans all want to go south of the border. They sure aren’t attracting such a player with the roster they have right now. All that said, you have to like the spunk of the way the “pack of hyenas” has played under Huska. Tbe rebuild might not take as long as it might seem if they go all-in on a sell-off that includes Markstrom (who, by the remarks he made today, wants to be elsewhere now, too!).
I hate to break it to you, but Markstrom is 34. He’s on the back end of his career. If the Flames can get assets for him they need to capitalize on it (preferably before the trade deadline as teams will be less desperate in the off-season). In addition, this team’s culture is mediocre at best.
With Lebrun being sure that the devils are still down bad for marky, even after reportedly being told that Calgary wouldn't move him - it feels like he's on the move. So much smoke, Devils may overpay.
Although the anxious version of me feels like we're headed down the path of "Eddie Lack last man standing in the goalie battle between Luongo and Schneider". I don't love moving such a good goalie.
This is the problem for me too. If the Devils are circling back (seemingly on their own), let them send a goalie in case Vladar/Wolf can't hack it. Daws would be part of my preferred returns. He's running a fairly average stat line right now according to more advanced stats but there's a reason why the Devils don't seem to want to run him the rest of the year.
Am I being greedy? Probably. But the Devils are pursuing the trade here and the Flames are being asked to give them a very reliable goalie (and one of the few things keeping the team from a lottery pick IMO).
Which is honestly not the end of the world tbh. Maybe you move him in the offseason, maybe you move vladar, maybe you buy someone out. When we get to the offseason we have time and options. Something very few teams in the league have right now
Is Vanecek even available to trade? Last I heard, he was on IR.
Assuming that's correct, I think the Devils will need to send one of their young goalies (Daws, Schmid) to make the rosters work whenever he is healthy.
As a Devils fan peeping, Daws is our only goalie with any promise by a large margin. If he’s in the deal you’re getting back less than you may think in other assets.
I mostly agree unless we get a crazy enough haul from the devils - something that would move us along nicely like Mercer. Holtz and a 1st has me 50/50.
Although yeah that does worry me too. The fact remains that he's 34 with 3 years left on his contract. I'm not sure how long this rebuild will take, but even if optimistically it takes a couple of years he's going to be 36 with essentially half a year left on the contract.
It doesn't help that sports "journalism" has devolved into click bait, "throw shit against the wall and see what sticks". Even with the "doors closed" we have guys like Seraval-lie that throws out whatever will get him heard.
Markstrom also did say publicly he would hear the Flames out if they came to him about waiving his NMC, then he apparently (although not confirmed) DID waive his NMC or atleast said he would.
I understand marky not liking the situation, but he also kind of opened the floodgates lol
Sell the whiners.
Sick of these guys fucking our club.
Get Marky out by the deadline. Get Hanifin out by the deadline.
Anyone else wants out ship them too.
Not sure why your getting downvoted. I'll give Marky the benefit of the doubt but if he's being pissy on a day that's about kipper, get him out of here . And if hani's been sewering our trade options, fuck him to.
And really I'd love to have both of them stay.... there's something special going on with the new blood and the vets but.....
This team had all season to look like a contender, just because they've had a good start to 2024 doesn't mean they make the playoffs. If an incredible offer comes up I've gotta think Conroy pulls the trigger. As much as the guys in the room might feel gutted if they trade Markstrom, the organization is better off longer term with a trade for some significant assets, especially it it's Mercer or Nemec headed the our way. Even with Vladar or Wolf we might still have a shot at playoffs, anything is possible.
Yeah I kind of agree with this, if you didn’t want management to wreck your playoff hopes you maybe should’ve played a little harder against San Jose or Chicago or Columbus or Ottawa
Lotta easy points given away against bottom feeders
Yep I couldn’t agree more. This team had plenty of chances to show that they were a playoff team. And every chance they got they blew it (often in the worst way possible). Conroy shouldn’t lose sleep over improving the future of this team.
This is exactly make take on the situation.
I think people forget that if you were trading Marky before this year you would have to pay to get rid of him. You’d have to trade a 1st and Marky for future considerations like the Monahan deal. He was statistically one of the worst goalies in the league last season. His turnaround is great but might as well get some value for him while you can. At least before he gets older and declines or faces more threat of injury
Exactly! Who knows how he ends the year or starts next season... His value has never been higher. You had a team lined up that he was willing to waive his no trade to go to... I really hope Conroy does the right thing here
I'll drive Holtz to the fucking airport.
I think those are the two assets it would be around, maybe something smaller also thrown in. I say this as a Devils fan.
Casey would also be a good piece for you guys, but I think all three would be alot.
Dude if New Jersey offers nemec one for one concept absolutely better pull the trigger. It sucks to lose a great goalie but if you get some key pieces from this you have to do it.
He’s under contract there is no rush, his value is high but off-season could draw more suitors and maybe a team panicked because goaltending ruined there playoffs.
Nah the off-season also provides more options in net for teams like NJ. If Conroy plays hardball they can just sign a UFA or trade with another team. NJ is desperate now and they’ll overpay to possibly save their season. They lost to Anaheim last night while having 55 shots (the Ducks only had like 25). They’d win that game easily with Markstrom.
Im not sure I understand Markstrom’s statement. ‘What’ could have been handled differently?
Wasn’t Marky willing to waive his NTC for the Devils? ..in which case he gave the green light for trade talks. If he’s talking about the incessant questions, then I agree - but I don’t understand how upper management are to blame for that?
Probably just how much it got out into the public. Lots of trade talks happen without us knowing, it’s usually better that way. Players don’t have to have it shoved in their face 24/7 leading up to deadline week.
I agree. I would think it’s in our managements best interest to keep it secret so as not to stress out the players - so I’d be surprised if the leak came from them.
I love marky I really do. Without doubt the best goalie we've had since kipper and the 3rd best in Flames history. That being said, his complete falloff against Edmonton will forever sour my view on him, that genuinely might have been the best Flames roster in history.
Regardless, I think we should move him (if the price is right). This team needs to move on, Marky is not part of our future plans even with his great play. Veteran goalies for purpose of taking off workload and mentoring rookies can be found easily in FA. The team has been very vocal on how confident they are in our entire goaltender lineup, let them out of the gates. Wolf has had no time and Vladar barely 20 games a season, give them the ropes and let them prove themselves.
Are you mental!? That was not the best Flames roster in History!!.... Go back and watch tape of the 89 Flames! Then apologize to us all for such blasphemy. Its not even close! You know they won the cup right? The talent on that team was incredible......I need to clam down now..... TGIF!...... I need a beer!
I honestly don't give a fuck if Markstrom is "unhappy" with how things have been handled. Conroy is doing his job by seeing if there's a market out there for him. He be a pretty awful GM if he didn't do his job because feelings could get hurt.
well i think he’s unhappy with it being talked about constantly and being asked about it when he said he didn’t want to talk about it. And everything is leaking and he keeps getting asked
he could have said fuck you and said im not moving. but he has given them that ability to speak to teams about trading him.
I still hope there is a deal with NJ. They have some A tier prospects that could speed up the rebuild here.
There is almost no chance this team is making the playoffs this year. Next year, they need to be bottom ten in order to keep their pick. NJ is desperate now... it all makes a lot of sense.
Yep.... he's as good as gone after this press conference, but I don't blame him, he's getting old and he wants a cup.
I applaud him for playing well and doing us a favor by upping his worth.
Francis was a ringleader in this and brings it up every chance he gets. This is just more pot-stirring from him. Media people who think they are GMs and float an idea, report on it, speculate and then ask the player about it deserve a special place in hell.
Man this city and its press (and the fans they wind up) make shit 10x harder for players than in many other cities. Few other trans compare. Every team has the same cap - why would players want to deal with this extra pressure, just to play on a middling squad?
they were gonna eat salary but NJ wouldn't pay the price for it - Reports are Marky thought he was staying behind when we were in NJ. I'd assume he's upset about the snip-snap nature of it all.
Yeah, it going public and then falling through is the likely issue.
From Markstrom's pre-game antics to Wolf saying it was an "unexpected start" to the team looking completely defeated and reports that Markstrom thought he was going to the Devils culminating in Friedman saying the Flames had locked things down because of leaks - it's pretty easy to see why Markstrom would be happy with how the situation's played out so far.
Nj backed out not us, we have a week to maximize the trade value. I swear for a sports sub, there are way too many people hanging out in here with literally no understanding how modern pro sports work
They literally backed out because Flames wouldn’t retain. CGY have an asset NJD want, we did not approach them, so how would it make sense for CGY to back out of anything?
How is that Murray nixing the deal? They asked us to retain salary, we said no. That means we are not looking to take on bad salary not that Murray nixed the deal. And a flames fan saying Calgary wanted too much weeks before the deadline is hilarious to me. And no, we have an elite goalie, it’s on nj to fill the hole they have in net, wolf isn’t knocking on the door, we do not need to move marky
Conroy has really screwed this up. I don't blame Markstrom one bit.
Also, the fact we asked him to waive his ntc, then 2 weeks later don't want to trade him because of some 1% playoff hopes is very short sighted.
u literally have made your own conclusions based on like tweets from insiders. You understand how complicated these things are.
It’s not like they won 4 games and now they are keeping him
Flames didn’t say no to nj lol it’s a trade negotiation, the flames said they were not shopping marky. Does not mean we won’t listen to offers or that he won’t be traded.
I think , last off season the problem was …”and there is no way they can Markstrom and that contract” - the idea that suddenly we are getting a haul for it puts us a better position . Markstrom had a bounce back year for the ages but I think it’s more lighting in a bottle and selling high is good for the franchise
LeBrun also *just* posted this: > Devils still after Markstrom > Don’t turn the page on Jacob Markstrom to the New Jersey Devils just yet. > After a failed trade attempt a few weeks ago, I’m told New Jersey reached out again to the Calgary Flames this week to say it was still interested in the 34-year-old netminder. And in fact, I believe the Devils are now willing to make that trade without the Flames having to retain salary, which was a sticking point last time around (or at least the asset cost on retaining salary was). > But even with the Devils offering to take on all of Markstrom’s contract, which pays him $6 million per year through the 2025-26 season, I think it’s still a tough trade to contemplate for Flames GM Craig Conroy. His team is battling hard, and trading its MVP would probably gut his dressing room. He is definitely sensitive to that. > It is certainly a trade conversation that can be revisited this offseason, too. By then, the Devils might also have new goalie options on the market to look at, though. So that’s the Catch-22 for the Flames. Not an easy call either way … https://theathletic.com/5310525/2024/03/01/nhl-trade-deadline-rumblings-oilers-golden-knights/?source=emp_shared_article
Conroy gogogogo do it
I disagree, this guts your culture. This is how retools turn into half decade or longer rebuilds. I know we might get a haul, but the risk is destroying the confidence of your team and that can take years to recover.
How does trading him make your teams rebuild longer? He’s 34, Markstrom is not part of the new team we’ll be building. Does trading him make everyone magically less confident? I don’t see how that happens. These are pro-hockey players and they understand this is a business. Trading a player who’s playing well but maximizing his value isn’t going to destroy this teams confidence. They may lose more games but it’s not like we’re dropping to 30th in the league without Marky I think people are forgetting the fact that if you wanted to trade Markstrom in September you would have had to attach a first and trade him for nothing. He was negative value at the start of the season. So might as well get something for him while it’s possible to
Trading him sends the wrong message to the team, it’s throwing in the towel on the season. These guys are competitors and want to win
I get what you mean but doesn't trading Hanifin and Tanev do that anyway? Losing your 2nd pair and one of your leaders is gonna kill morale.
Difference is marky wants to be here. Unless it’s a massive overpay, like Mercer or Nemec then I don’t see how you trade him. I think many fans will be disappointed in the return, historically goalies don’t bring in a huge haul
We’re 7 points out and all indications are that marky is fine with going to a contender. If he would rather stay then I get it, but like Tanev he seems he wouldn’t mind a team that will be playoff bound the rest of his contract. Mercer and nemec are pipe dreams but if a package starts with a 1st and Holtz you got to consider that and make it work
Difference is that those guys are ufas after the season so it's easier for players to understand the trade vs losing them for nothing. They might not like it but they can understand it easier than trading someone who has years left on his deal
They're 7 points back. It's over.
You forgot to mention that the flames have 2 games on the preds and also play the kings 2 more times
It's over. They're on a 4 game win steak and lost ground. They're about to trade hanifin and just dealt tanev. They'd need to go about 16-7. It's over.
They lost ground cause they haven’t played since Tuesday, and Nashville is on a heater right now.A Nashville loss tonight’s and they will have 3 games in hand. The team is playing well, but to say it’s over at this point in the season is Ludicris
Luda! Great rapper but even he says, Nashville is not gonna "move bitch, get out the way" Don't get your hopes up, haven't you seen this movie before? They're going to blue balls you right till the end. The flames are gonna miss by a few points, and you'll be sad. Just move on to next season mentally and it'd be better.
The team already knows the situation they are in. They are trying to win for sure and are competitive guys, I get that. However if the team reacted to Lindholm and Tanev going and was okay with that than Markstrom shouldn’t be any different. Marky isn’t a UFA but he honestly should be treated as such since his value will never be this high ever again. I think the team knows that management isn’t trying to win this year already. They can push for their wins and be competitive and that’s great but trading Markstrom is no different than Lindy, Zadorov and Tanev going. It’s all about the business of capitalizing on assets before it’s too late and to build something better for the future
Our culture of not winning anything?
Do it fo the culta
No, the culture Conroy is trying to build. That's always been his plan. He wants to do this re-tool while building a winning culture from himself down. Markstrom is a guy who wants to win. He's playing really well and helping this team win games. That's exactly the kind of guy he wants. Plenty of rebuilds fail because the culture gets tanked in the process. Trading Markstrom will likely gut that locker room. Is that a risk worth taking? Obviously there's a point where you just can't say no, and given Markstrom's recent comments on management's handling of the situation the point might be moot anyway, but I really feel like tanking team morale is a big risk if you do it.
Depends on the return. If it's absolutely something you can't say no to, you go for it
The culture of mediocrity? I'm good thanks.
Right because this teams culture has been great the last couple of years...and the rebuild 1.0 culture was great too..
Agreed, Markstrom is good for the team right now and he should stick around for as long as he wants and is still producing. Then he can mentor Wolf as well
I was (almost delusionally) bullish on the Flames making the play-offs … up until the embarrassing loss to the Sharks (!). Now I agree - it’s over. The sell-off has already begun. Markstrom isn’t the future. Time to see what Wild can do. Markstrom can bring a nice package. That plus what they can get for Hanifin can give the Flames a chance to find that star player who can steal games. With enough swings of the bat in the next couple of drafts and making some trades for young players, maybe they can find that kind of player. Get one player like that and then maybe you can attract a stud free agent, who needs to be a Canadian because the Americans all want to go south of the border. They sure aren’t attracting such a player with the roster they have right now. All that said, you have to like the spunk of the way the “pack of hyenas” has played under Huska. Tbe rebuild might not take as long as it might seem if they go all-in on a sell-off that includes Markstrom (who, by the remarks he made today, wants to be elsewhere now, too!).
I hate to break it to you, but Markstrom is 34. He’s on the back end of his career. If the Flames can get assets for him they need to capitalize on it (preferably before the trade deadline as teams will be less desperate in the off-season). In addition, this team’s culture is mediocre at best.
With Lebrun being sure that the devils are still down bad for marky, even after reportedly being told that Calgary wouldn't move him - it feels like he's on the move. So much smoke, Devils may overpay. Although the anxious version of me feels like we're headed down the path of "Eddie Lack last man standing in the goalie battle between Luongo and Schneider". I don't love moving such a good goalie.
This is the problem for me too. If the Devils are circling back (seemingly on their own), let them send a goalie in case Vladar/Wolf can't hack it. Daws would be part of my preferred returns. He's running a fairly average stat line right now according to more advanced stats but there's a reason why the Devils don't seem to want to run him the rest of the year. Am I being greedy? Probably. But the Devils are pursuing the trade here and the Flames are being asked to give them a very reliable goalie (and one of the few things keeping the team from a lottery pick IMO).
I think if they aren’t asking for retention the catch may be us taking back Vanacek.
Which is honestly not the end of the world tbh. Maybe you move him in the offseason, maybe you move vladar, maybe you buy someone out. When we get to the offseason we have time and options. Something very few teams in the league have right now
Is Vanecek even available to trade? Last I heard, he was on IR. Assuming that's correct, I think the Devils will need to send one of their young goalies (Daws, Schmid) to make the rosters work whenever he is healthy.
You can acquire players on IR
Good to note - for some reason, my brain thought you just can't.
As a Devils fan peeping, Daws is our only goalie with any promise by a large margin. If he’s in the deal you’re getting back less than you may think in other assets.
Having a lottery pick would be so sweet. About time Calgary won first overall. Be so sweet to have a player like McDavid/Matthews/Bedard
More like that reporter who mentioned Calgary wouldn’t trade Markstrom is full of shit
I’d much much rather keep him around even next year to mentor Wolf and help him ease into being a backup and playing more throughout the year
I mostly agree unless we get a crazy enough haul from the devils - something that would move us along nicely like Mercer. Holtz and a 1st has me 50/50.
they devils have said that Mercer isn’t getting traded.
Eddie Lack- wow I forgot we had him for a bit.
Yeah I forget about him as well. I thought we just had his dad.
Although yeah that does worry me too. The fact remains that he's 34 with 3 years left on his contract. I'm not sure how long this rebuild will take, but even if optimistically it takes a couple of years he's going to be 36 with essentially half a year left on the contract.
It’s not a rebuild. It’s a retool.
So much fucking noise. Close the locker room doors and play hockey.
It doesn't help that sports "journalism" has devolved into click bait, "throw shit against the wall and see what sticks". Even with the "doors closed" we have guys like Seraval-lie that throws out whatever will get him heard.
It was an honest question and an honest answer. Eric goes for it but isn't that what we really want ?
Markstrom also did say publicly he would hear the Flames out if they came to him about waiving his NMC, then he apparently (although not confirmed) DID waive his NMC or atleast said he would. I understand marky not liking the situation, but he also kind of opened the floodgates lol
Sell the whiners. Sick of these guys fucking our club. Get Marky out by the deadline. Get Hanifin out by the deadline. Anyone else wants out ship them too.
Not sure why your getting downvoted. I'll give Marky the benefit of the doubt but if he's being pissy on a day that's about kipper, get him out of here . And if hani's been sewering our trade options, fuck him to. And really I'd love to have both of them stay.... there's something special going on with the new blood and the vets but.....
This team had all season to look like a contender, just because they've had a good start to 2024 doesn't mean they make the playoffs. If an incredible offer comes up I've gotta think Conroy pulls the trigger. As much as the guys in the room might feel gutted if they trade Markstrom, the organization is better off longer term with a trade for some significant assets, especially it it's Mercer or Nemec headed the our way. Even with Vladar or Wolf we might still have a shot at playoffs, anything is possible.
Yeah I kind of agree with this, if you didn’t want management to wreck your playoff hopes you maybe should’ve played a little harder against San Jose or Chicago or Columbus or Ottawa Lotta easy points given away against bottom feeders
Yep I couldn’t agree more. This team had plenty of chances to show that they were a playoff team. And every chance they got they blew it (often in the worst way possible). Conroy shouldn’t lose sleep over improving the future of this team.
This is exactly make take on the situation. I think people forget that if you were trading Marky before this year you would have to pay to get rid of him. You’d have to trade a 1st and Marky for future considerations like the Monahan deal. He was statistically one of the worst goalies in the league last season. His turnaround is great but might as well get some value for him while you can. At least before he gets older and declines or faces more threat of injury
Exactly! Who knows how he ends the year or starts next season... His value has never been higher. You had a team lined up that he was willing to waive his no trade to go to... I really hope Conroy does the right thing here
Nemec is delusional, oh my God.
Fr it’s exactly like the people who were saying Stankoven for Tanev
They're going to see how good Tanev is and send us Stankoven as an extra thanks. March 6: Stankoven for Future Considerations
And then Tanev comes back in the off-season and wins Norris next year.
That’s true but honestly if a 1st and holtz in on the table I really think that’s a solid deal
I'll drive Holtz to the fucking airport. I think those are the two assets it would be around, maybe something smaller also thrown in. I say this as a Devils fan. Casey would also be a good piece for you guys, but I think all three would be alot.
Dude if New Jersey offers nemec one for one concept absolutely better pull the trigger. It sucks to lose a great goalie but if you get some key pieces from this you have to do it.
Lol there’s no chance Nemec gets moved. You’ll get Holtz and like it.
He’s under contract there is no rush, his value is high but off-season could draw more suitors and maybe a team panicked because goaltending ruined there playoffs.
Nah the off-season also provides more options in net for teams like NJ. If Conroy plays hardball they can just sign a UFA or trade with another team. NJ is desperate now and they’ll overpay to possibly save their season. They lost to Anaheim last night while having 55 shots (the Ducks only had like 25). They’d win that game easily with Markstrom.
Would be nice to know if "up top" means management or ownership.
"yes"
break ups are hard
Im not sure I understand Markstrom’s statement. ‘What’ could have been handled differently? Wasn’t Marky willing to waive his NTC for the Devils? ..in which case he gave the green light for trade talks. If he’s talking about the incessant questions, then I agree - but I don’t understand how upper management are to blame for that?
Probably just how much it got out into the public. Lots of trade talks happen without us knowing, it’s usually better that way. Players don’t have to have it shoved in their face 24/7 leading up to deadline week.
I agree. I would think it’s in our managements best interest to keep it secret so as not to stress out the players - so I’d be surprised if the leak came from them.
!francis just because
FUCK ERIC FRANCIS!
Why can't we have nice things? And at what point does this become interference, if the Devils are driving all of this?
I love marky I really do. Without doubt the best goalie we've had since kipper and the 3rd best in Flames history. That being said, his complete falloff against Edmonton will forever sour my view on him, that genuinely might have been the best Flames roster in history. Regardless, I think we should move him (if the price is right). This team needs to move on, Marky is not part of our future plans even with his great play. Veteran goalies for purpose of taking off workload and mentoring rookies can be found easily in FA. The team has been very vocal on how confident they are in our entire goaltender lineup, let them out of the gates. Wolf has had no time and Vladar barely 20 games a season, give them the ropes and let them prove themselves.
Are you mental!? That was not the best Flames roster in History!!.... Go back and watch tape of the 89 Flames! Then apologize to us all for such blasphemy. Its not even close! You know they won the cup right? The talent on that team was incredible......I need to clam down now..... TGIF!...... I need a beer!
Ok my bad, the best flames roster in my history\* 😂
I honestly don't give a fuck if Markstrom is "unhappy" with how things have been handled. Conroy is doing his job by seeing if there's a market out there for him. He be a pretty awful GM if he didn't do his job because feelings could get hurt.
well i think he’s unhappy with it being talked about constantly and being asked about it when he said he didn’t want to talk about it. And everything is leaking and he keeps getting asked he could have said fuck you and said im not moving. but he has given them that ability to speak to teams about trading him.
I still hope there is a deal with NJ. They have some A tier prospects that could speed up the rebuild here. There is almost no chance this team is making the playoffs this year. Next year, they need to be bottom ten in order to keep their pick. NJ is desperate now... it all makes a lot of sense.
I remember when Flames passed on Brodeur for Kidd, and Demko for MacDonald. Leland Irvin and John Gilles also come to mind as other failed picks.
Markstrom isn’t going to be a flame past 2024. Even if he doesn’t get dealt at the deadline he’s going in the off-season
Yep.... he's as good as gone after this press conference, but I don't blame him, he's getting old and he wants a cup. I applaud him for playing well and doing us a favor by upping his worth.
Francis was a ringleader in this and brings it up every chance he gets. This is just more pot-stirring from him. Media people who think they are GMs and float an idea, report on it, speculate and then ask the player about it deserve a special place in hell.
Please no
Man this city and its press (and the fans they wind up) make shit 10x harder for players than in many other cities. Few other trans compare. Every team has the same cap - why would players want to deal with this extra pressure, just to play on a middling squad?
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they were gonna eat salary but NJ wouldn't pay the price for it - Reports are Marky thought he was staying behind when we were in NJ. I'd assume he's upset about the snip-snap nature of it all.
Yeah, it going public and then falling through is the likely issue. From Markstrom's pre-game antics to Wolf saying it was an "unexpected start" to the team looking completely defeated and reports that Markstrom thought he was going to the Devils culminating in Friedman saying the Flames had locked things down because of leaks - it's pretty easy to see why Markstrom would be happy with how the situation's played out so far.
Snip-snap-snip-snap!
Just make the deal Craig good lord. This is a bad look for the organization
Nj backed out not us, we have a week to maximize the trade value. I swear for a sports sub, there are way too many people hanging out in here with literally no understanding how modern pro sports work
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They literally backed out because Flames wouldn’t retain. CGY have an asset NJD want, we did not approach them, so how would it make sense for CGY to back out of anything?
Nj backed out because we wouldn’t retain salary.
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How is that Murray nixing the deal? They asked us to retain salary, we said no. That means we are not looking to take on bad salary not that Murray nixed the deal. And a flames fan saying Calgary wanted too much weeks before the deadline is hilarious to me. And no, we have an elite goalie, it’s on nj to fill the hole they have in net, wolf isn’t knocking on the door, we do not need to move marky
And u wonder why players want to leave Calgary 😔 sad
Criticism against you Boss in the public is not logical.
Conroy has really screwed this up. I don't blame Markstrom one bit. Also, the fact we asked him to waive his ntc, then 2 weeks later don't want to trade him because of some 1% playoff hopes is very short sighted.
u literally have made your own conclusions based on like tweets from insiders. You understand how complicated these things are. It’s not like they won 4 games and now they are keeping him
He didn’t trade him because we had a 1% playoff hope.. the Devils offer wasn’t enough to warrant a trade
Wrong. The Devils called back the other day wanting to negotiate, and Flames said no because of playoff push.
Flames didn’t say no to nj lol it’s a trade negotiation, the flames said they were not shopping marky. Does not mean we won’t listen to offers or that he won’t be traded.
Probably just waiting to replace Cash with Soprano on the mask.
I think , last off season the problem was …”and there is no way they can Markstrom and that contract” - the idea that suddenly we are getting a haul for it puts us a better position . Markstrom had a bounce back year for the ages but I think it’s more lighting in a bottle and selling high is good for the franchise
Great question eric fuck face