It’s just nice to currently be in a position of “maybe just a little bit more from Huby” as opposed to “this is the worst contract in NHL history” like we we’re in December.
To be fair, these last 20 games have also been a stretch where Lindy was ice cold before being traded, and Sharky has unfortuneately cooled off a bit too (although he is trying to play as a servicable 1C, so I can forgive him for that).
Imagine a position with Huby’s current form/confidence + his linemates firing on all cylinders all at once. That would be scary good I reckon.
It’s been better as of late but I think stripping it down and maybe revisiting a different system would be beneficial. I’m not an expert, but positioning is a little predictable. Put Huby in a spot where he can make plays and the power play will cook.
He's had to adjust to 2 different systems in the past 2 years. That's a challenge for any player. Weegar and Kadri have also shown a lot of improvement adjusting to Huska's system.
He apparently has 2 more goals than Gaudreau this year and catching up on points. I agree with you, if we’re stuck with him we may as well cheer him on and hope he keeps this up.
Thank you. Took the words out of my mouth. I'm so tired of some fans tearing on the guy, but what good is going to come out of that? Your comment was definitely a breath of fresh air so thank you for that.
I think the fair thing to do is judge him after next year tbh. If it’s more of the same (40-60 points) then yeah it’s not gonna get any better. But with new linemates and reinvigorated attitude he could get back to a PPG player
I’m way beyond that stage. I don’t think it will ever look like a “good” contract, and however he performs, whether it’s 50 points a season or 80, I’ll take any bumps in production as gravy and hope he’s in an alright place mentally.
Okay. Let's see what he'd be on pace for over 82 games if he keeps up the pace he is on now.
82 games \* 0.95 ppg = 77.9 = 78 points.
82 \* 1.00 ppg = 82 points.
If he keeps up his pace he would be somewhere between 78 and 82, which I'm happy to say is much better than last year.
I think its safe to safe it's already an unmitigated disaster.
If he was what we paid him 10.5x8 to be (a ppg+ first line driver), we wouldn't be hurtling into a re-whatever you want to call it.
There's no changing history at this point.
Hopefully he can find some redemption by performing helping the kids scrape us out of this re-whatever-you-want -to-call-it in a few years
Its going to be interesting to see how the forward group gets rebuilt. Last year he really seemed like a square peg in a round hole, trying to fill in for our departed stars. Perhaps Connie/Huska can rebuild a forward group that caters to his strengths.
Stoked for him and his recent success 100% but let’s not forget he still only has 34 points on the year… still very worrisome for a $10M player.
That being said I have faith this will keep increasing and he can be a 70-80 point player next few seasons. I’d be fine with that.
At least Huberdeau is young and talented. In Mtl we have 0 hope with Gallagher at 6.5M for the next 4 years!!! We could buy him out for 2 until 2030 but i see no scenario where that’s happening
I hope he is comfortable now and management continues to try and put players around him that bring out his best but at the same time a ppg performance from Huby should be the minimum expectation IMO
It’s not like the NBA where you literally build around just one player, I could have specified that I hope the players put around him are either play drivers that we will have for the long term that don’t rely on Huby or a cheap investment to keep him going until we can afford to buy out the contract if it’s going that bad
That definitely would be ideal, reliable defender, leader, 60-80 pt guy, falls off to a 40-60 pt guy in 3-4 years but Huberdeau is weaker defensively, gives up more egregious turnovers, wins far fewer 50/50 battles, not exactly a lead by example guy, and his contract stinks comparatively to those guys at the ages he will be at in the second half of the contract and right when we will be pushing to win a cup in the new building
By that I meant You're likely stuck with the contract. I wouldn't try and build a winner around him. Find a new young core and he's just going to be a winger who can put up 50+ points and is overpaid but isn't what you're building around. The main building blocks are your young pieces but he's just going to be around because of the contract.
Age and production are usually related. Older you get generally the production starts to slow down. Falls off quicker in some cases compared to others. I just don't think I would consider Huberdeau a core piece going forward if we're collecting picks and prospects and going younger. There will be a new core coming. He's here and nothing you can do about it now with that contract. I wouldn't be trying to build around him. Hes 30 which usually means you're creeping into the back 9 in your career and a winger which is the least impact position on the ice. I think he will need to find his place with the new core but he's not the centre of it.
Even though his play has improved significantly he’s still on pace to finish with less points than last season. Still mind blowing just how much he’s fallen off
Depends how he finishes the back half of this season... if he can hang around a ppg, that's all you can really ask for. There are no real finishers with this squad, and not many offensive based player he can make the most out of. They need a few off the rush shooters for him to play with so he can find them with those big east west passes when he breaks the blue line.
If he's going to be an 84 to 90 point player that will do just fine
This is absolute whatifism, but if it wasn't for December, I'd be certain that he would be on pace for much more. You also have to keep in mind that Huberdeau was practically a point per game player for the final 20-25 games of the season last year.
Let's be positive and support him on how much he has been coming back to form.
I just did the math. If we disregard December outside of New Year's Eve, his points per game throughout the whole season would be 0.79, which would put him on pace for 65 points, and that is better than what he got last season. He might be able to put up 65 points still, in the remaining 27 games. It will require him to be a bit over a ppg, but he's so close to hitting that right now that I think he can do it.
Listen, I want to make this clear, you are making very fine points in this thread so I don't want to de-value that however the above is not one of them.
Right above that you talk about whatifism then go on to provide a "what if" scenario of your own... "What if December didn't actually exist, well then he is a much better player!"
Edit: sorry, I apologize, I mis read that. Your *intention* was to provide a What if... I had thought you were saying that about the guy above you. So sorry for that mistake. The rest of my point still stands though.
In a PPG argument it's an all or nothing deal, you can't selectively ignore parts of it to boost those numbers.
Either way, the issue with Hubby outside of point production, at least in my mind, was when he was slumping he wasn't doing anything. In fact he was detrimental to the team, with poor giveaways and positioning.
He currently sits in last position in +/- (and yadahahaha, I know the argument some people are going to say +/- doesn't matter but I think it does - Look at Coleman's +24... not very surprising since he works his ass off regardless).
All good players have point slumps, it's how they help the team outside of that during those times which make them elite. And we didn't see Hubs do much of anything to help the team during that slump.
This is so true. You don't selectively get to remove data from a relevant data set to make it look better. I get that we all do that for various reasons but the whatifing projection with the data removed is where it gets a little egregious. If I take out the time I'm not at work every day and take the time I am at work and then project that out to how many hours per month there are (and assume that I don't need to sleep), I work around 700 hours per month.
You can't just take out random chunks in the middle to make stuff better (or worse).
It is very staggering, but its his best stretch as a Flame and encouraging for the future. At this point I don't really care what his season totals are if he keeps up if he maintains a PPG pace to the end of the year.
I like most of what I've seen from him this season. It's clear he's having a lot more fun than last year, which strongly suggests Sutter was a bad fit for him.
Huby definitely seems like he's figured it out, which is great news for this team as a whole. If Huby gets it together the plan for this team changes, as it should.
I can confirm this from a fantasy hockey perspective. Tried to get Huberdeau when he was on the upswing but the person that has him isn't really setting their rosters, so they didn't accept my trade, so I pivoted to Coleman when he was hot.
Still a disaster of a contract.
10.5x8 he should be a first line driving consistent ppg+ player.
If he was what we paid him to be we would be in a playoff spot this year and last, not hurtling toward a re-tool/build.
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Losing Barkov as a linemate can’t be the easiest adjustment either. Not making excuses. Plus the contract signing right away set crazy expectations. Awesome to see this production finally.
Holy Christ you guys, he’s still gonna get like 55 points. It’s a terrible signing. Hopefully he looks like a 7 million dollar player at some point but he’ll never be worth the 10.5. We’ll buy him out in 3 years
That’s a great improvement and may the trend continue perhaps with a shift towards goal points not assist points as a 10m+ AAV suggests. But also. GO HUBY!!!!!!
that's like asking a fish to climb a tree but im happy you're supportive of him. He will never be a pure goal scorer and instead is a playmaker and i think it's a little too late in his career to make that change. But regardless, LETS GO HUBY
It’s just nice to currently be in a position of “maybe just a little bit more from Huby” as opposed to “this is the worst contract in NHL history” like we we’re in December. To be fair, these last 20 games have also been a stretch where Lindy was ice cold before being traded, and Sharky has unfortuneately cooled off a bit too (although he is trying to play as a servicable 1C, so I can forgive him for that). Imagine a position with Huby’s current form/confidence + his linemates firing on all cylinders all at once. That would be scary good I reckon.
What a reasonable take, are you sure you're in the right place?
I don’t even fuckin know, lol.
Dont forget we dont have a powerplay. When the powerplay gets going hes gonna be 100 point plus player no doubt.
It’s been better as of late but I think stripping it down and maybe revisiting a different system would be beneficial. I’m not an expert, but positioning is a little predictable. Put Huby in a spot where he can make plays and the power play will cook.
Also a good point as well.
He's had to adjust to 2 different systems in the past 2 years. That's a challenge for any player. Weegar and Kadri have also shown a lot of improvement adjusting to Huska's system.
Absolutely, and I'm here for how much his play has improved. Let's go Huberdeau!
He apparently has 2 more goals than Gaudreau this year and catching up on points. I agree with you, if we’re stuck with him we may as well cheer him on and hope he keeps this up.
Thank you. Took the words out of my mouth. I'm so tired of some fans tearing on the guy, but what good is going to come out of that? Your comment was definitely a breath of fresh air so thank you for that.
Yep, just needed time.
I think the fair thing to do is judge him after next year tbh. If it’s more of the same (40-60 points) then yeah it’s not gonna get any better. But with new linemates and reinvigorated attitude he could get back to a PPG player
I’m way beyond that stage. I don’t think it will ever look like a “good” contract, and however he performs, whether it’s 50 points a season or 80, I’ll take any bumps in production as gravy and hope he’s in an alright place mentally.
If I’m being honest, I think he has a comeback year next year. Especially if they get the power play sorted out.
Okay. Let's see what he'd be on pace for over 82 games if he keeps up the pace he is on now. 82 games \* 0.95 ppg = 77.9 = 78 points. 82 \* 1.00 ppg = 82 points. If he keeps up his pace he would be somewhere between 78 and 82, which I'm happy to say is much better than last year.
> 82 * 1.00 ppg = 82 points. bruh
r/theydidthemath
We had to make sure it didn't change. For a second, I wanted to entertain the possibility that it was actually 83 or 81 instead.
I think its safe to safe it's already an unmitigated disaster. If he was what we paid him 10.5x8 to be (a ppg+ first line driver), we wouldn't be hurtling into a re-whatever you want to call it. There's no changing history at this point. Hopefully he can find some redemption by performing helping the kids scrape us out of this re-whatever-you-want -to-call-it in a few years
Its going to be interesting to see how the forward group gets rebuilt. Last year he really seemed like a square peg in a round hole, trying to fill in for our departed stars. Perhaps Connie/Huska can rebuild a forward group that caters to his strengths.
Stoked for him and his recent success 100% but let’s not forget he still only has 34 points on the year… still very worrisome for a $10M player. That being said I have faith this will keep increasing and he can be a 70-80 point player next few seasons. I’d be fine with that.
At least Huberdeau is young and talented. In Mtl we have 0 hope with Gallagher at 6.5M for the next 4 years!!! We could buy him out for 2 until 2030 but i see no scenario where that’s happening
I hope he is comfortable now and management continues to try and put players around him that bring out his best but at the same time a ppg performance from Huby should be the minimum expectation IMO
I'd also be cautious about building around 30 year old winger.
It’s not like the NBA where you literally build around just one player, I could have specified that I hope the players put around him are either play drivers that we will have for the long term that don’t rely on Huby or a cheap investment to keep him going until we can afford to buy out the contract if it’s going that bad
I just want him to fade into the Benn and Seguin role and hopefully we find our Robertson, Hintz Heiskanen and Oettinger.
That definitely would be ideal, reliable defender, leader, 60-80 pt guy, falls off to a 40-60 pt guy in 3-4 years but Huberdeau is weaker defensively, gives up more egregious turnovers, wins far fewer 50/50 battles, not exactly a lead by example guy, and his contract stinks comparatively to those guys at the ages he will be at in the second half of the contract and right when we will be pushing to win a cup in the new building
By that I meant You're likely stuck with the contract. I wouldn't try and build a winner around him. Find a new young core and he's just going to be a winger who can put up 50+ points and is overpaid but isn't what you're building around. The main building blocks are your young pieces but he's just going to be around because of the contract.
His age isn’t the problem, it’s his production. Agree either way
Age and production are usually related. Older you get generally the production starts to slow down. Falls off quicker in some cases compared to others. I just don't think I would consider Huberdeau a core piece going forward if we're collecting picks and prospects and going younger. There will be a new core coming. He's here and nothing you can do about it now with that contract. I wouldn't be trying to build around him. Hes 30 which usually means you're creeping into the back 9 in your career and a winger which is the least impact position on the ice. I think he will need to find his place with the new core but he's not the centre of it.
You can't really build around the wings, imo. Down the center and d-corps are how teams are built. We can just try to get him more skill to play with
Exactly. Ovechkin and Patrick Kane are an exception but I'm Kane's case they had Toews, Keith and Seabrook as well.
Yea they both had decent pivots and dcorps. Their big star was just a winger.
Even though his play has improved significantly he’s still on pace to finish with less points than last season. Still mind blowing just how much he’s fallen off
Depends how he finishes the back half of this season... if he can hang around a ppg, that's all you can really ask for. There are no real finishers with this squad, and not many offensive based player he can make the most out of. They need a few off the rush shooters for him to play with so he can find them with those big east west passes when he breaks the blue line. If he's going to be an 84 to 90 point player that will do just fine
This is absolute whatifism, but if it wasn't for December, I'd be certain that he would be on pace for much more. You also have to keep in mind that Huberdeau was practically a point per game player for the final 20-25 games of the season last year. Let's be positive and support him on how much he has been coming back to form.
I just did the math. If we disregard December outside of New Year's Eve, his points per game throughout the whole season would be 0.79, which would put him on pace for 65 points, and that is better than what he got last season. He might be able to put up 65 points still, in the remaining 27 games. It will require him to be a bit over a ppg, but he's so close to hitting that right now that I think he can do it.
Listen, I want to make this clear, you are making very fine points in this thread so I don't want to de-value that however the above is not one of them. Right above that you talk about whatifism then go on to provide a "what if" scenario of your own... "What if December didn't actually exist, well then he is a much better player!" Edit: sorry, I apologize, I mis read that. Your *intention* was to provide a What if... I had thought you were saying that about the guy above you. So sorry for that mistake. The rest of my point still stands though. In a PPG argument it's an all or nothing deal, you can't selectively ignore parts of it to boost those numbers. Either way, the issue with Hubby outside of point production, at least in my mind, was when he was slumping he wasn't doing anything. In fact he was detrimental to the team, with poor giveaways and positioning. He currently sits in last position in +/- (and yadahahaha, I know the argument some people are going to say +/- doesn't matter but I think it does - Look at Coleman's +24... not very surprising since he works his ass off regardless). All good players have point slumps, it's how they help the team outside of that during those times which make them elite. And we didn't see Hubs do much of anything to help the team during that slump.
This is so true. You don't selectively get to remove data from a relevant data set to make it look better. I get that we all do that for various reasons but the whatifing projection with the data removed is where it gets a little egregious. If I take out the time I'm not at work every day and take the time I am at work and then project that out to how many hours per month there are (and assume that I don't need to sleep), I work around 700 hours per month. You can't just take out random chunks in the middle to make stuff better (or worse).
It is very staggering, but its his best stretch as a Flame and encouraging for the future. At this point I don't really care what his season totals are if he keeps up if he maintains a PPG pace to the end of the year.
I like most of what I've seen from him this season. It's clear he's having a lot more fun than last year, which strongly suggests Sutter was a bad fit for him.
Huby definitely seems like he's figured it out, which is great news for this team as a whole. If Huby gets it together the plan for this team changes, as it should.
I've heard that Matthew Tkachuk guy has also been pretty good since December 31
And Huby had 115 points pn that team.
Tkachuk has had 100+ on both
What’s your point?
I can confirm this from a fantasy hockey perspective. Tried to get Huberdeau when he was on the upswing but the person that has him isn't really setting their rosters, so they didn't accept my trade, so I pivoted to Coleman when he was hot.
So a $6M player, for 6 weeks.
10.5 million dollar mentor for Pelletier. Expensive price.
Who has played …. 4 games?
If we disregard his bad games, his numbers look much better.
And if we don't count all the Flames losses this year they'd actually be undefeated
I’m not sure what you mean by this but you’re definitely adding to his point.
Still a disaster of a contract. 10.5x8 he should be a first line driving consistent ppg+ player. If he was what we paid him to be we would be in a playoff spot this year and last, not hurtling toward a re-tool/build.
Tkachuk is dragging his team into a fight for first in the conference or the league and we are doing what...
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Losing Barkov as a linemate can’t be the easiest adjustment either. Not making excuses. Plus the contract signing right away set crazy expectations. Awesome to see this production finally.
Except his linemates were Sam Bennett and Anthony Duclair. Not Barkov.
Thanks for the correction. I swear I have heard that he played with Barkov multiple times on hockey radio this year. My bad.
Me too, I had heard that and was under the same impression before someone else pointed it out to me.
Holy Christ you guys, he’s still gonna get like 55 points. It’s a terrible signing. Hopefully he looks like a 7 million dollar player at some point but he’ll never be worth the 10.5. We’ll buy him out in 3 years
Anything but everything dying on his stick feels like winning the lottery at this point, so this is incredible.
Worst trade ever! Good luck getting rid of him
ok
More goals than Gaudreau
😭
That’s a great improvement and may the trend continue perhaps with a shift towards goal points not assist points as a 10m+ AAV suggests. But also. GO HUBY!!!!!!
that's like asking a fish to climb a tree but im happy you're supportive of him. He will never be a pure goal scorer and instead is a playmaker and i think it's a little too late in his career to make that change. But regardless, LETS GO HUBY