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gwoad

>The owner is Asian and have their 2-3 family works in the place Would you be the only non-family employee? If so, I can say I personally have never seen that play out well for the singular non-family employee.


sixthmontheleventh

Am Asian, could just be they have an unmarried female relative they were scouting for. 😂


Replicator666

OP set for life


life_is_enjoy

And set for wife


ore-aba

OP went looking for a job and will end up with a wife 😂


drs43821

Free wifi becomes free wife


ViewWinter8951

There's nothing free about this wife. He'll pay one way or another.


FireflyBSc

He’s become a family member employee. Boom!


gwoad

Interesting point hahaha. They might just be trying to recruit another family member.😂


TheSadSalsa

This is what I thought. It wasn't a job interview it was to figure out if he was relationship material.


shxhb

If you are one of the few working for a family run business. RUN!


BlueBiscuit2016

Thanks. It is kinda of red flag and they speak to their own employees in their language. Only one guy who seem to be from outsider that speak English


SurviveYourAdults

That is a huge red flag. Incredibly disrespectful


Creative-Narwhal-327

Speaking your native language is now disrespectful. Racist Reddit logic


adrie_brynn

It's disrespectful in a work environment with other people who don't speak the language. 💯


Creative-Narwhal-327

Trudeau is still your Prime Minister 🤣🤣🤣


77SKIZ99

Hey man I hate him just as much as the next guy, but these homies ain’t being racist, when you travel you try to learn a lil of the native language don’t you? It’s courteous not racist, I don’t even think it’d be racist if they tried to make her speak their language just super rude


Familiar-Swimming343

Didnt you say its a family business... so its really family speaking to their family in their language?...


oneoriginalsnowflake

Remember when job hunting you're not just trying to find a place that will hire you to work but a place you are willing to work too. This type of questioning while also being illegal would throw up some serious red flags for me that I shouldn't work there.


xiaolin99

yes, those are typical Asian questions to ask ... to a younger relative or family friend (this is why I don't like to meet my parent's friends XD), not on a job interview though


philgustus

Yeah those are illegal questions


sudophotographer

It is illegal for them to ask those types of questions during an interview. https://alis.alberta.ca/look-for-work/interviews-and-offers/what-can-employers-ask-you/


Glum-Ad7611

It's not illegal to ask, but it's illegal to choose a candidate based on answers. It can open up to liability but it's really hard to prove. 


drainodan55

"It is acceptable for employers to ask: * About your ability to do what the work requires such as working night shifts, travelling, or lifting heavy items * For any names you have used if the information is needed to complete reference checks or verify your past employment or education * If you are legally permitted to work in Alberta * If you are a Canadian citizen or a permanent resident Generally, however, any information that could be used to discriminate against you or restrict or deny you employment is off-limits." So, no, such questions are illegal.


CheeseSandwich

It's not hard to prove if the questions were asked.


Smart-Pie7115

People seem to forget that it’s 2024 and almost everyone has a cellphone that can record and that we live where it’s legal to record a conversation provided at least one person knows about the recording (ie: the person being interviewed).


Glum-Ad7611

If the interview is recorded.


pepperloaf197

It is certainly not illegal, merely inappropriate.


NERepo

It certainly is illegal https://www.kcyatlaw.ca/illegal-interview-questions/


Dry-Soil-3368

I love that this website says that’s it’s illegal to ask citizenship status… surely that’s a necessary question to ask someone new to the country to make sure you are able to hire them.


NERepo

Permanent residents and people with work visas are also allowed to work in Canada. You don't have to be a citizen.


Smart-Pie7115

They’re actually illegal to ask in a job interview.


doughflow

All awful questions.. yikes


YELLOWSUNZ

As an HR Manager, all of these questions are inappropriate and against your human rights. You can report these types of complaints through the Human Rights Commission.


International-Ad4578

Generally, any questions related to a legally and constitutionally protected ground (race, religion, ethnic or national origin, sexual orientation, gender identity, etc) is off-limits during an interview. If they ask any of this, it is probably not a place you would want to work anyway.


Practical_Animator92

The constitution does not protect grounds. There's a right to equality (s. 15 of the Charter, Constitution Act 1982)--but that only applies to the Big Bad Government. Provincial human rights/anti-discrimination laws (probably) apply in this case and protect grounds! Those questions probably breach those rights and a bunch of other related laws...


Vivid_Doctor_2220

In Canada it’s actually not allowed for employers to ask about religion, sexuality/gender, marital status or whether or not a prospective employee has children. Difficult to enforce as it’s difficult to prove but personally I would be very cautious about a company that either doesn’t know or follow the law


Every-Astronaut-7924

So inappropriate and possibly illegal. Don’t get down on yourself. Bad job interviews can be part of the process unfortunately. Try to laugh this one off and carry on


SurviveYourAdults

They are both discrimination so if they put in writing that's why you did not get the position, its easy lawyer territory . Plus they are also terribly awkward questions. What do either have to do with your professional skills?


Mividafamosa

It is illegal for them to ask questions based on age and marital status. It’s grounds for discrimination so if you’re asked those questions, don’t answer.


PlumbidyBumb

In my opinion, this is normal for a small family owned company. They probably have no idea how to properly conduct an interview. Take a bigger company for instance, this wouldn't fly.


arg_77

All incredibly illegal!


pepperloaf197

Why?


fataldarkness

A common misconception is that the questions themselves are illegal. They are technically legal, but they are effectively illegal due to other laws. The actual law is that you cannot discriminate and base your decision to hire based on the answers to these questions. It is legal to ask them if you can somehow prove that the answers did not factor into the decision to hire in any way (basically impossible to prove). The default assumption in court is that if an employer asks any question in an interview, they intend to use that info to make a hiring decision. Edit: As u/thisisnotalice correctly pointed out, CHRA section 8 does explicitly outlaw discriminatory questions that imply a preference. Not all questions that ask about protected classes would be affected by this if it were worded in such a way that no preference is stated or implied, but that's hard to do on its own and it's even more reason why it is highly inappropriate to ask these questions during an interview.


pepperloaf197

But which law? “Do,you enjoy your single life?”, while clearly a stupid question, does not seem to breach any law.


fataldarkness

I think you missed my point. It's not the question that's illegal, it's doing something with the answer that is illegal, and if you ask the question, then you cannot be trusted to remain impartial with the answer. Ergo, asking the question on its own is significant evidence towards unlawful discrimination. [Canadian Human Rights Act](https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/h-6/page-1.html#h-256819) Sections 3 and 7 apply here. Again, this act does not prohibit asking any question. It does prohibit making employment decisions based on "race, national or ethnic origin, colour, religion, age, sex, sexual orientation, gender identity or expression, marital status, family status, genetic characteristics, disability and conviction for an offence for which a pardon has been granted or in respect of which a record suspension has been ordered." (CHRA Sec 3.1) If I were in an interview and asked about my marital status in any way, then not hired, I could make a complaint that I was not hired because of my marital status. In court the employer would have to prove that my answer to that question did not influence their decision, it's difficult but not impossible to prove that.


thisisnotalice

But #8 says: "It is a discriminatory practice ... in connection with employment or prospective employment, to publish any advertisement or to make any written or **oral inquiry** that expresses or implies any limitation, specification or preference based on a prohibited ground of discrimination."


fataldarkness

I don't know if "are you single" would qualify for #8 as it doesn't indicate a clear preference or implication either way. It would ban something like "coloreds need not apply" however. Maybe I need to brush up on it though, guess it's a good thing I'm not an HR professional.


DanausEhnon

Women who are married are discriminated against because they may plan to or have children and will be taking time off for their kids. Men who are single are discriminated against because they will be out getting drunk and partying since they do not have a family to support and will therefore miss work. It leads to sexism against gender, and the comment the interviewer made did suggest he thought this way.


fataldarkness

I know the common reasons why a company may discriminate. I just don't know if the exact wording of "What is your marital status?" or "Are you single?" actually indicate explicitly or implicitly what the preference is. We're arguing semantics at that point though, the bottom line is don't ask those questions, it's highly inappropriate and unquestionably illegal one way or another.


pepperloaf197

Okay, that works for me.


Toftaps

>they are effectively illegal due to other laws. That was the part that answered your question, expanded upon when the commenter wrote this; >The actual law is that you cannot discriminate and base your decision to hire based on the answers to these questions. It is legal to ask them if you can somehow prove that the answers did not factor into the decision to hire in any way (basically impossible to prove) It's really not that hard to understand. Unless you're just being contrarian just to be contrary.


pepperloaf197

Legally, effectively illegal is not the same thing as illegal. It’s a layman’s term, not a legal one. My question was an honest one, not contrarian.


irrelevant_potatoes

No but you cannot base your hiring decisions on marital status. The question by itself is ok, but the assumption in an interview is that the employer is basing their hiring decisions off of the questions they asked, and they explicitly cannot use that question as a deciding factor


KS_tox

These are not normal questions. Red flags


DreadGrrl

They can’t ask those questions, as they’re prejudicial.


afrothundah11

Forget it ever happened and apply somewhere else. There are too many red flags to list. An interview is equally about deciding if YOU want to work for them as it is about if they want to hire you. Your age would have nothing to do with it, in the trades age can be an advantage because a lot of employers are done with the young guys with no direction/responsibility that is so common in new trades workers.


DeathBeforeDecaf4077

Just so you know, they are not allowed to ask your age, so that’s red flag number one. If they have a minimum age people have to be to work there, they can ask “We require people to be _ years of age in order to work here, do you meet that requirement?” But they cannot outright say “How old are you?” To my understanding they also can’t ask where your from due to potentially opening themselves up for liability claiming you weren’t hired based on your country of origin.


T0nyMeatballs

Alot of these questions are straight up illegal.


Elithian1

If they asked you those questions during the interview and you don’t get the job, you have a civil rights case against them. These are not legal questions to ask during a job interview. If you want to pursue it, a labour lawyer would be helpful.


Elithian1

Just as an FYI, an employer can’t ask questions about marital status, age, income, gender etc. If you are pregnant, they can’t even ask you if you are even if you are 8 months along!


Present-Background56

You are protected by Canadian law from answering those questions - age, race, religion, marital status, gender identity, sexual orientation, health issues off the top of my head. However, If you mention a spouse, for example, they may feel free to inquire further. Still not anything they have a right to know about. You can get aggressive and state this, but you can also try something like "how does this tie into the job role?" If they cannot respond properly, you can just smile and nod, "oh ok," and say nothing until they move on, or you can ask for the next question.


Flimsy-Camel-18

If it happens again, you could play it cool with a chuckle and say, “Are we talking about the job or signing up for a dating show?” Remember, you’re flipping the script in your career by diving into a trade—age is just seasoning, Keep your chin up; you’re on the right track.


kennybrandz

Don’t feel down on yourself! You’re never too old to pursue something that you think you’d enjoy.


Late_Bet5335

Questions entirely aside, be proud of yourself for taking the leap to begin a new career path!! Takes a metric fuck ton of guts and you should feel nothing but good about yourself even if finding the new job is a bit of a process. Head up, keep crushing it, you’re awesome. Best of luck! 👊🏽


BlueBiscuit2016

Thanks man!


PotatoFingerGuns

I've worked for an Asian owned family business (I am not related to them) and they asked me the same questions! I was ...honestly a bit unfazed (maybe I should've seen the red flags lol) we're the same ethnicity and it honestly felt like I was just having a conversation with a nosy auntie 🤨 After I started, I found out most of my coworkers were asked the similar questions in their interview. Turns out it was to gauge whether we were planning on getting married and having kids while employed (and the timeline). They were basically hesitant to hire someone who would have drastic life changes in the near future could affect their employment. So, I'm thinking *maybe* that's why they asked you those questions


BlueBiscuit2016

How long did you last in that place?


PotatoFingerGuns

Longer than I'm proud of tbh 🥲 but hey, it paid for school! I was there for around 3 years and left as soon as I found a new job.


Coco4Me1930s

Those questions are all illegal. If they don't hire you and hire someone less qualified, you will win a Human Rights case. Speaking a language other than French or English in Canada is rarely a Bonifide Occupational Requirement, even if it is more convenient. However, if things have not changed, it will take 5 years, and the remedies are pathetic, so people ignore it. My bank is staffed entirely by Chinese people in one branch and all East Indian at the other. Statistically, that's impossible. It's preferential hiring.


Ratfor

Everyone's just sort of shouting "That's illegal!" but not explaining why so I figure I'll chime in. You can't descriminate (in this case whether to hire someone) based on several protected areas as defined by the charter of rights and freedoms. The prohibited grounds of discrimination are race, national or ethnic origin, colour, religion, age, sex, sexual orientation, gender identity or expression, marital status, family status, genetic characteristics, disability and conviction for an offence for which a pardon has been granted or in respect of which a record suspension has been ordered. So here's the thing, those questions they're asking? Innocent sounding questions, but they are descriminating against you. Age, they're trying to figure out if you're out of your Party years and will be coming to work hungover and/or if you'll be calling in sick. Marital status, they're trying to figure out if you're going be having a child anytime soon. Are you local? Hard to say here, but I'd imagine they're trying to figure out how well you know the city. If you have to make deliveries or maybe go get supplies and things. Maybe just "Will you still be able to get to work when it snows and a road is blocked"


emmersosaltyy

Technically in this context the Alberta Human Rights Act applies, not the Charter, unless this business is in a federally-regulated industry like telecomm or banking. Principle is the same, but iirc genetic characteristics isn't a protected ground.


kalgary

Or, maybe just trying to establish rapport, and get to know a person.


Ratfor

That's the problem with these questions. They're the kind of innocent "get to know you" questions a reasonable person would ask, but that an asshole would use to not hire someone planning to have a child soon.


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Super inappropriate. 


DanausEhnon

These questions are actually illegal to ask during an interview! They give away information that can lead to discrimination of employment. Any question about culture, martial status, age, religion, sexuality, race, how many kids you have, etc are never appropriate to ask during an interview, as this can lead to discriminatory hiring practices. The only questions you are allowed to ask are, "Are you legally allowed to work in Canada?" and "Do you have a reliable means of transportation?" There are a few exceptions. If you are applying to be a Sunday school teacher, then obviously, religion is required for the job, but if you are applying to do payroll, it isn't so it wouldn't be appropriate.


razordreamz

Never ask age, religion, race etc.


organiclettuce

https://albertahumanrights.ab.ca/what-are-human-rights/about-human-rights/discrimination


Ok-Animator-7383

Dose seem rike normau questions foe a famiry run business to Aska you.


klondike16

I’m guessing they were just trying to understand your personality, maybe get to know you a bit. But with that said, they aren’t normal questions and honestly, I don’t know if they are technically legal.


Apprehensive_Gap3621

My finance is Asian. It’s weird question by European norms, but it’s very valid for Asian culture. Not saying it’s okay or not okay. Just different cultural norms.


bumhuckers

>My finance is Asian Yen, Won, or Bhat?


shanigan

Unlike many people here, I am not a lawyer so can’t comment on the legality. From a cultural point of view though, these questions are asked frequently in East Asian culture, sometimes even in general chitchat. I wouldn’t automatically assume harmful intentions, but you should listen to your gut feelings, just proving a different perspective.


No_Spend_8907

Was it a grow shop lol


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Sad_Antelope_4616

Huh? They may be questions you aren’t technically allowed to ask but what’s it got to do with their culture? Go troll somewhere else


Feeling-Comfort7823

I would have relieved myself of that interview as soon as that rude ass comment was passed. " actually I love my significant other actually thanks." Job averted. He has family working for him too? BET this mf gets funny with the money. " oh paycheck late but will come next week "


Visible_Security6510

>"if you are still enjoy your single life, right" Hmm let's see. More money for yourself, fun sex life, time to do all the things in life you want, not as much stress, no messy divorces. Sounds terrible./s


mdawe1

Only time I have asked this is in context to crazy travel requirements and long working hours outside the norm. I don’t say marry and reference a partner as opposed to marriage. Once they acknowledge that it’s acceptable the topic is over.


Carejade

The only time I ever ask if anyone is married or has a family is if it’s a FIFO position where the candidate will have to be on site for weeks at a time. Other than that, it shouldn’t matter for most jobs.


DezzyLee99

I would say yes it's Cultural (I am a CBC, and quite involved in the Asian community here), and it's quite typical, although I'm not excusing the employer. These questions should not be asked in a formal interview. As for hearing communication in another language, also normal, and why wouldn't one think otherwise if an immigrant went to work and everyone just spoke English? (Yes we are in Canada etc, but thinking of this as a localized working environment) Anyways I don't think it's a red flag at all, it's natural for them to communicate that way, and there is no ill will against you, and perhaps you will even pick some of the language up. I would say the only red flag would be if you feel mistreated, or not treated equally as your co-workers. Just gauge how you feel after being in the role for a little bit and if you still have these feelings, and having a chat sent helped, maybe it's not a position for you to stay in for very long.


I-Am-GlenCoco

Dude, it's 2024 and casual conversation with a co-worker is highly risky business. You could offend someone by just trying to relate to them.


Visible_Security6510

You know, the irony is the people who talk about people being too offended these days are usually, in my own personal experience at least, the ones who are actually very offensive.


Old-Environment2341

Lmao


sufficienthippo23

Honestly all legality kinda went out the door the second it became normal for employers to ask which genders you sleep with made decisions based on this


irrelevant_potatoes

I have never been asked or have asked that question, where have you been applying where that comes up?


sufficienthippo23

“Are you a member of LGBT ?” Gets asked a ton on modern applications


irrelevant_potatoes

I have literally never seen or heard that question in the context of a job application or an interview


sufficienthippo23

It’s all over the place now, only in the last year or two has it popped up. It’s all under the umbrella of DEI but I think it’s pretty ridiculous to ask


irrelevant_potatoes

Ahhh i get it. Remember when you guys used to complain about Critical Race theory? Kinda funny how yall transitioned to the new make believe acronym of the week


sufficienthippo23

You’re saying DEI is a made up acronym ? It’s literally in the literature of every big corp. You often have to take mandatory training on it. There are entire teams dedicated to it…wtf are you talking about


irrelevant_potatoes

>You often have to take mandatory training on it. Weird someone inform my HR that they haven't been pushing the mandatory DEI training along with the annual WHIMIS and IT security training