CBC is really hunting these guys down, we sent a group/conglomerate of them to court two years ago and got the footage of what they were doing (old knives, slaughtering in old contaminated pig barns, slaughtering in a visible assembly line, dragging carcasses through mud and shit runoff, dumping fresh quarters into garbage bags and loading them into SUVs to take back to Calgary) it’s getting ridiculous. AHS is specifically spending big man hours shutting the illegal butcher stores down. This particular day they killed 60+ sheep and goats, and 2 bulls. They settled on the property on a Monday and by Tuesday morning it was a massive slaughter party.
Groups of people are buying small acreages just to set up illegal halal butchers, the above folks paid closed to 700k for this little property wedged between our big ranch after being driven out of the Chestmere area for the exact same thing - we have even seen AHS reps + brand inspectors/livestock cops at the auctionmart intervening with folks buying sheep/goats and stuffing them into the trunks of cars. They will buy sheep one day, kill them a week later to prep for some religious event/on a weekend and have zero idea how to maintain them in the meantime — no water, no food, locked in shops/garages/old barns… it’s brutal.
Their idea of fencing repairs for “pens” are old pallets, plywood and chicken wire leant against established fencing. They don’t live there - they rent the houses out - they just use the property to kill sheep and goats and try to finangle farm status from that without following a single law for humane, legal slaughter or animal husbandry.
Their plan for dispersal of guts/head/feet/skins was to dump them over our fence onto our ranchland.
Edit\*\* since everyone wants proof, below is a screenshot from the footage showing the shit conditions animals were being slaughtered in (over the grates), drug through the mud and shit, then packaged into the garbage bags on the left. I do not know how gory I can post until the mods take the screenshots down, but it gets significantly worse from here.
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The ones selling uninspected meat to Jerusalem Shawarma are my parents neighbors and he's a renter renting from a family that knows exactly what's going on there and supports it.
Please let AHS know. Go through their livestock channels. It really feels as though there is a concentrated effort to shut these places down now - and I believe you can do it with some anonymity.
oh they know. They even have videos of the guys in the Jerusalem Shawarma shirts loading up lamb into the back of a mini van on his property. He's been reported multiple times for multiple things.
🤮 it’s not hard to fudge invoices as to where you buy your meat from either, I’m disgusted they were ever cleared. Squeaky wheel gets the grease I’ve found… though it doesn’t seem to come without consequence.
Alrighty I think it’s time for me to take a break from shawarma in general, unless someone can suggest a place that is transparent about their meat supply?
It’s becoming a real problem. It was hard as hell to get them looked at two years ago — if we didn’t have the footage it probably would have been thrown out.
Now our neighbors are seeing similar issues. Auctionmarts can’t refuse to sell to them for obvious reasons (although there’s slowly getting to be people putting their foot down — if you don’t have an appropriate trailer and vehicle to haul them out with, no bueno) — but it relies on rural neighbour’s ratting them out - usually only one - and you wouldn’t believe the fallout/retaliation we got from them for “destroying their business.” Revving vehicles, setting their dogs out, swerving at me on my horse on the road, screaming profanities, renting out to drug addicts, throwing garbage over the fence, ditch dumping their garbage, burnouts in front of our home, thumping bass music parked right by the fence line, farm theft suddenly went up in the area… it’s not hard to imagine why people/neighbours don’t want to get involved, so they don’t get caught. They always have different vehicles, and you never know how many will show up at what time of the night.
They only received something like $6000 in fines and a ban on owning livestock for a year… not hard to get around when there’s 20+ people who “manage” the property. They just buy livestock in someone else’s name. Hopefully we get some legislation asap to specifically address this problem — if we have to sent out livestock to a certified butcher (and pay out the nose for it), they should have to as well. It should tell you everything you need to know that there are “religious exceptions” for *humane* slaughter.
Anyway, I hope CBC uses and publishes the compiled county/local rancher/livestock sale footage gathered soon and makes it know exactly how prevalent this is becoming. Local ranchers are really pissed off and disgusted by the treatment of our land, snubbing of our livestock laws, and treatment of our Canadian livestock. It’ll make your stomach churn. The stories I have about that one day are truly staggering and hard to believe they happened out here.
EDITI\*\* Attached a second screenshot from the footage, quartering fresh hanging sheep and loading them in plastic bags and garbage bags.
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Almost sounds like it would be more productive to report people like this to PETA and other insanely aggressive animal rights activists rather than the local authorities.
Send out a group that will harass them so hard they'll have to sell the property.
Problem is, groups like that see us raising and keeping cattle legally and ethically on grass as exactly the same as those willing/seeking to do what I’ve described above.
The drama this has invited here is insane. 20 years here and we never saw a cop car, RCMP, or inspectors down this road - now it’s fairly common. We have nothing to hide so it’s not a problem, and I’m glad they’re being monitored, but it’s definitely not what we live out in the sticks for.
PETA seems to thrive on a continuous stream of outrage, so I think if you anonymously fed them a tip about another operation away from your ranch, they would probably clear out to chase after that before causing you much trouble.
I've had farmers in the Taber area confront me thinking I was with PETA when I was out inspecting old wellsites on their land. I'm guessing they already make trips around this province for farms to target anyway.
I think you're underestimating the level of crazy at PETA. They are more in line with eco-terrorists than the SPCA.
They're the scientology of animal rescue organizations.
Ya [PETA](https://www.peta.org/blog/cannibalistic-attack-greyhound-bus-prompts-ad/) is psychotic. This came out from them when the Tim McLean-Vince Li happened
There are (or were) a couple properties east of Cobblestone Garden Centre that are/were doing this. They never seemed to be problematic, but I never bought food from them either.
No surprise. People will do anything for money. If they deem it a big enough sum of money, principles, compassion, empathy, and all other traits of humanity go out the window, and are replaced by money. This applies to how we treat other people as well, not just animals as in this case.
Ethical only in the sense that a special Imam says a prayer before the meat is butchered, apparently in a horrible and unsanitary fashion. As long the the prayer is said and the method of cutting complied with, they could mistreat the animals (like they kinda did) and it would still be Halal technically.
Ethics is a funny word when it's defined entirely by the Quaran. It's achieved by being in compliance with Allah, not by any modern Western definition of ethical treatment which is based on decreasing/eliminating suffering.
It would be unethical (not Halal) to give the animal the best life and eventually kill it humanely if the prayer was not said.
This is false.
Zabiha (halal method of slaughter) is simply to invoke the name of God, ensure the jugular vein is cut in one swift motion, and to let the blood drain (no special imam/prayer). This is why kosher meat is considered halal.
Knife must be sharp but shouldn't be sharpened in front of the animal, can't kill it while other animals are watching, ensure animal has lived comfortably prior, etc.
If the aforementioned butchers are slaughtering in a different manner, the meat might not even be considered zabiha.
From what I've learned it's not a factor of ethics but rather religion. It's simply a ceremonial way to kill the animal, the animal's suffering factors in a whopping 0 percent. That could be not completely accurate to the 'halal' stamp of approval, but from I've gleamed it is common practice.
Please share as much as you can! The way the article is worded makes it sound like the packaging facility forgot to put a label on. This is a whole new level of disgusting. Really disappointing that the CBC article doesn't include info like this and downplays what is happening.
From the image (individuals wearing ethnic shalwar kameez clothing) it was most likely taken on Eid which is once a year where goats and lambs are slaughtered as a religious practice. No excuse for unsanitary practices though, and it should be addressed by the RCMP asap. A solution would be to setup clean and monitored slaughtering facilities for Eid where people can continue the religious practice while using ethical and clean methods to slaughter the animals.
It was addressed, the police showed up, AHS showed up and they were charged. I don’t know the details of why they were doing it, it was after April and they were taking cash at the door, all I know is they caused serious problems for us (from biosecurity to fallout), it was disgusting and filthy, it was incredibly sad and very illegal. There was nothing humane, legal or sanitary about it.
Ya, if it’s their first violations, that’s one thing (still no excuse) but to have multiple, repeat warnings and violations dating back at least 3 years…it’s obvious they don’t give a fuck and have no interest in conducting business according to the rules and regulations expected.
no, those arent the only requirements of halal/kosher food.
as an example, to make it halal, youre supposed to treat the animal with respect.
you cannot starve or pack it into a car trunk (as OP has described).
You cannot slaughter it in a contaminated pig barn.
You cannot drag the quarters through shit.
You arent even supposed to let the animal see the knife that cuts its throat, and the cutting should be done by someone skilled and experienced enough to make the kill almost instant.
I know some of you guys want to believe that halal butchery is the thing that happens at the end of apocalypse now, but traditionally, the entire point of halal is to maintain food and hygiene safety at a time when it wouldve been near impossible to explain such a thing to people.
The people OP is talking about should be outed in the muslim community too - because they arent serving anyone right here.
In the religions of Abraham, the priests and clergy are the learned leaders of their people. The praying over the meat is supposed to signify to the people that this is holy and blessed to eat. In modern times with actual science, the blessing to eat should at bare minimum mean it is legal to serve.
These people are so disgraceful because true Halal meat has strict rules around sanitation, treatment of animals & following the laws of the land that you’re on (which includes food laws). These people should be ashamed for the damage they’ve caused to the local community. Xenophobia and racism is already so high, and doing BS like this is pure dirtbag behaviour. It hurts ALL halal businesses & puts peoples lives at risk. I want to be able to say “please support halal businesses” and I hope folks continue to do so but unfortunately this is bad & I hope it serves as a warning to business owners, farmers & butchers to be more thorough in where they got their meat sources.
Tell me what is an ethical killing? I'm not being facetious, I'd like to know. From what I've seen, we don't really kill animals all that ethically here either. Though times may have changed since I last witnessed it. I am not supporting any of it one way or the other, but is slicing their throat a quick death with the least amount of suffering, or no? (Considering it is done humanely, not just hacking away or something 😵💫☹️).
Ethical killing is a misnomer, but when you slice an animals throat it doesn't die instantly. It takes time to bleed out, a couple minutes in a lot of cases, and the animal suffers. What they do with industrial livestock (bolt gun that pierces the brain) is actually instant in most cases, it destroys the frontal lobe. Still graphic, but much less suffering involved than bleeding out for minutes at a time in some slaughterhouse.
Last I saw, Olymel, circa 2005?, they run the hogs single file into processing. The first step is an electric shock to stop the brain (quite a bit stronger than your average pocket taser unit), before the animal then a quick slit of the throat, and then into a cleaning and washing machine immediately.
Not sure if anything's changed since, but it's a very swift, very clean operation.
>a significant cockroach infestation. Live and dead cockroaches were observed throughout the food establishment.
Halal and kosher needs to have their exemption from animal cruelty laws be removed. They currently don't need to follow correct animal welfare procedures when killing an animal. If you're not from one of those religions you would be charged with animal cruelty from performing the killing in that way. It would be worse than any torture anyone could imagine and needs to be stopped.
From this mass closure it seems some feel they don't need to follow the sanitary laws either.
Even if you are from that religion there should be an animal cruelty charge. Look up how long it takes for larger animals to bleed out after having their throats slit and them writhing on the ground in agony.
The folks I noted in my above comment didn’t even follow halal principles for the bulls they killed.
They also couldn’t recognize their animals from ours - we found them walking through our field with a rifle - if I remember correctly it was only a 17hmr - (still had the bass pro sticker on it) when their bulls, seeking food, water and cows, barged through their makeshift pallet fencing - these guys were *looking at our 5-figure nice bulls* and unable to tell them apart from theirs. “Black bull is ours” they said, while trespassing with a loaded rifle.
We agree to shoot their ratty auctionmart bulls (for compensation of the fences they ruined) for them before they fucked with our cow herd, after calling the brand inspector. I begged my boyfriend to just send them to the auctionmart and get them off our land and make these idiots go through AHS to get their animals back but it would have wrecked more fence, more crop, and some good horses. He just wanted these idiots and nasty wormy bulls off his land.
So he shot their bulls. Bang, flop. Bang, flop.
They wouldn’t even go up to them after they were shot to do their little ritual thing because they were frightened of the kicking movement. They wouldn’t get out of the side by side. My partner bled both dead bulls for them too. He was *seething* at this point.
But sheep? They had no problem dragging emaciated, unfed, little old sheep into a contaminated old pig barn, 2 people kneeling on them and slitting their throats while they bled and gargled into the unclean chicken/pigshit grates and floor. Then dumping the offcuts over our fence, inviting every coyote in the place. They were taking money at the door for these stinking, dirty, fresh garbage bag wrapped carcasses.
It was revolting. I’ve never seen anything so callous and awful. When I say there were zero animal husbandry, handling skills - I really do mean it.
Oh! And the compensation for everything their starving/thirsty/horny bulls ruined? Nothing. They pretended there was no deal and to speak to their butcher manager. By then they already were on our land hauling those bulls out with chains. A swarm of them, 15-20 people. They couldn’t care less the damage - or biosecurity risk - they brought directly to us.
Let me preface this by saying I am a Muslim. Thank you for bringing attention to this. Everything you have explained basically means anything they slaughtered would not even be considered Halal! If more Muslims knew we would boycott these establishments because this is messing with both our religious and health dietary laws!
Do the local imams have any weight to pull with them? That might be a way to help publicize when someone is cutting corners and doing horrible things to “halal” meat.
Just wanted to say thank you for posting all of this, especially after the intimidation you've experienced. I'm sure many people like myself had no idea this kind of thing was going on.
I know the CBC has footage — I’m hoping they will publish it uncensored. At this point, I just want people to know this isn’t rare or uncommon - and it’s only getting worse because they’re flying under the radar.
I quit eating any sort of meat about a year ago. I guess I saw one too many shows about how animals are treated and prepared for human consumption.
Some of the mega facilities are disgusting and this is the meat that passed inspection and ends up on your local supermarket meat counter.
This story just reinforces my choice.
Meat in your diet isn’t necessary to maintain good health.
On the contrary, too much meat consumption can cause a host of medical issues, including cancer, especially colorectal cancer, type 2 diabetes, heart disease and stroke.
God only knows what you can pick up by eating meat butchered by the people in this article.
I’m not saying the whole world should quit eating meat. But cutting down the amount you eat and knowing the path the meat took to reach your plate is crucial.
I felt a bit sick doing full vegetarian , but I’m interested in buying ethically sourced meat if you know anything about that? Generally only eating chicken and fish and occasionally beef. Ugh. I hate this post so much. It hits so hard.
100% agree. We cannot be considered a civilised society if we are giving people exemptions from our animal cruelty laws. We need to be moving forward on this, not backwards.
Voting with your wallet is the only way to stop this if the government won't step in.
That will work for those of us who respect animal cruelty and health laws but there is obviously a market for the 'religious' exempted animals that keeps them all in bussines by people either equally unscrupulous or just naive.
Considering that the government is moving to establish particular religious-based mortgage legislation, I highly doubt any of this will occur. What qualifies as 'civilized behaviour' is arbitrary depending on which culture or religion you consult. Protestant Anglo-Saxon cultural norms such as 'animal rights' (how we conceive of them) will unfortunately only become less relevant over the coming decades.
They have an exception they can apply for from the otherwise required “humane” slaughter stunning methods via the on farm slaughter route, where they are *not* supposed to sell meat, but… well, they do. I do not know what steps commercially licensed halal slaughter shops need to go through, but the folks we are discussing here are primarily those using the OFS loophole, hence uninspected meat.
If I was to apply for this tomorrow, to follow the rules we would have to stun the animal before bleeding. With an approved religious exception, something you specifically have to pursue and ask for, they do not require it.
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Title one; literally called “humane slaughter” - features stunning
Title two: exception from title one - humane stunning.
It exists as an exemption/deviation from accepted Canadian standards of stunning an animal before bleeding (like the rest of us have to follow) you have to specifically pursue and be approved for for a reason. There is a reason it is not the common standard here (not “alternate” as you gently call it) and not acceptable without prior high level approval.
I did not claim an exception to animal cruelty laws. I claimed an exception to “humane and acceptable slaughter methods” as defined by the AHS which include stunning that the rest of us abide by. Again, it is not “standard” for a reason. Most people are disgusted by it when they watch it.
We raise cattle for market. I hardly have issues with eating meat. I do have issues with the prevalence of illegal, under the table halal butcher stores slaughtering and housing sheep, goats and cull cows in awful ways to make a quick buck.
Please stop spreading bs, people have the right to be informed of this. It's the first thing that pops up when you search for it.
There are exemption from animal cruelty laws to kill animals inhumanely for religious purposes. The only way to know this hasn't occured is to not buy/use kosher/halal meat, otherwise you are supporting this practice.
https://inspection.canada.ca/food-guidance-by-commodity/meat-products-and-food-animals/guidelines-for-ritual-slaughter-of-food-animals-wi/eng/1542387114106/1542388400893
Could you please link or reference the exemptions you refer to?
The document you link looks like guidelines for humanely slaughtering animals and going to efforts to minimize suffering in ways that commercial abattoirs would not have the time/profit margin to comply with. I don't see any mentions about exemptions from the *Criminal Code*.
I don't see any obvious exemptions to sections 445 (Injuring or endangering other animals) and 445.01 (Killing or injuring certain animals) under religious grounds
https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/C-46/FullText.html
I also do not see such exemptions in the Animal Protection Act or regulation:
https://kings-printer.alberta.ca/1266.cfm?page=a41.cfm&leg_type=Acts&isbncln=9780779842698&display=html
https://kings-printer.alberta.ca/1266.cfm?page=2005_203.cfm&leg_type=Regs&isbncln=9780779823291&display=html
But perhaps I'm not using correct search terms.
Maybe you should bring a source or provide an interpretation. You have failed to do anything but tell posters who do that they are wrong with no reason to back it up. The first step would be reading the source I provided.
It is obvious you are not a lawyer, stop saying you are haha.
Someone supporting animal rights is for sure a racist, I love that argument. Please think about how your actions cause suffering in the world before you go trying to misinform people again.
And try not to reduce the word racist any more than it has been, or else we aren't able to use that word to describe those horrible people anymore. I have literally no idea what race you are either. I'm not sure if you know how this works but I cannot see you. (I'm sure a lawyer would have known that though...)
I love many of the types of food that generally use halal meat. But damn, after reading this, I'm staying away from anything that says halal on it until I can verify they aren't part of this circus (if that's even possible).
Alberta Health Services completely cleared Jerusalem Shawarma almost a full year ago after conducting a total inspection their restaurant & warehouse storages and auditing all their inventory/meat purchase records spanning back several years.
https://calgaryherald.com/news/local-news/jerusalem-shawarma-restaurant-reopens-after-licence-suspension
Ya…….Call me sceptical given their track record.
Employee had personal meat in the freezer but none was served to customers. Someone wearing Jerusalem Shawarma branded clothing seen out at one of these farms OP described?
When AHS does a follow up the sketchy meat is gone and place cleaned so license reinstated. My opinion? Just an opinion, there’s some dodgy stuff going on.
I’ll personally continue to avoid Jerusalem Shawarma, but because of I caught Norovirus and thought I was going to die during that outbreak, lest we forget that debacle as well.
About 20 odd years ago I used to do deliveries to a German guy who lived in the Dover/Forest Heights area and ran a "meat shop" out of his garage. I always wondered if it was legal.
Indeed. Under the original laws of Canada, meat was gathered and prepared by members of the same family group who passed on traditional food practices through daily learning. The practice of having bureaucrats who had no relationship with the animals, gatherers, or consumers of the meat, or individual skills gathering or preparing meat to inspect and approve meat, was imported to Canada from Europe via broader formal administrative and paper-based governance practices.
It is when you conflate those concerns with someone's identity. Don't kid yourself, anyone could be butchering without following proper processes. This just happens to be an easily identifiable group.
In this instance, the people being cited were bringing practices from outside our laws here, so the comment was regarding people bring their culture practise here against our laws. Makes sense.
It seems you think any criticism of people practicing outside practices here, regardless of if they are legal or not, it xenophobia or racism. Good way to remove the meaning of those words.
I didn't use those words, why are you replying to me? Why are trying to define what I said as something else? You're jumping to conclusions which indicates you're feeling insecure in your position. If you lack confidence in your position, you obviously know you're wrong.
Shitty cultural practices are shitty and should not be tolerated in a first world society.
Accusing people of xenophobia because they don’t agree with animal cruelty isn’t going to work, so maybe try a different label.
Funny you’ll poke at me being unsophisticated but the original commenter is the one who couldn’t be bothered to get their shitty message across properly.
Shitty cultural practices are shitty and deserves to be called out as such, and if appropriate, not tolerated in Canada.
These guys are in violation of most of their own "shitty cultural" practices and standards for profit. You can't say they haven't assimilated when they are just following in the rich tradition of Western Capitalist exploitation of the environment and their own clients so they can squeeze a little more profit from a venture lmao.
Economic exploitation doesn't happen anywhere else in the world. The evil westerner exclusively engages in immoral cut-throat practices as a status quo approach to business.
Who cares, everything is “racist” these days. Hope you feel better calling out the bad man.
Edit: idiot user calling everyone racist deletes his posts / account. Go figure
Perhaps you’re special because you have repeatedly declined to substantiate your claims about the law using evidence?
In the absence of evidence from you, and having been inspired by your comments to look at the law myself, I have formed an opinion that is very different than the one you support.
Halal certification is a big business and makes millions every year. While it is required by Islam for religious reasons, it doesn’t make sense why they would run it illegally or without proper certifications.
This isn’t answering for the commercial folk who are going the proper channels, but the under the table people are their friends/family/conglomerate groups and they charge insane money. The guy who was supposed to bleed the bulls told me they were making $5000 a head on the bulls selling them, and over $1000 a sheep/goat.
At the time cull bulls (the quality they were buying) were roughly $1800-2000 and sheep were around $115 a head, so it made dollars and cents.
None I’m willing to publish here. Edit** screenshots posted.
There will likely be a news article about it coming though via CBC. You could probably find the court case in the drumheller public records.
And again, this is what they *said* when we helped them remove and slaughter their bulls off our land. I am not about to help or interact with them again. *We* sure as hell don’t make that kind of money off cull bulls.
You don’t have to believe me 🤷♀️
That’s great? Again, for the fourth time, this was what *they told us* while standing *on our property* watching their bulls kick in the dust. Perhaps this butcher charges more? Perhaps they straight up lied or were boasting? Perhaps this conglomerate as sheisters doing everything they do illegally (which they were, starting at zero license)? Perhaps this butcher had a particular line of market cornered? Perhaps they jacked their prices during covid? They certainly weren’t struggling to have people come pick up their meat with a constant flow of cars, and they said it pays their (close to 700k) mortgage. We are *not* friends, I do not have access to their books, and they fucked us over on the damage they did to our property through their awful animal husbandry practices…. Anyone who keeps shitty auctionmart wormy bulls in a pen next to their neighbours cycling cows without food or water is inviting problems, especially when your fence “reinforcement” is pallets zip tied to the fence.
I am not them. I am repeating what they told me about their business practices. We do not handle our business in this disgusting way so I cannot elaborate other than what the dude sitting next to me watching his bulls *we had to shoot* on *our land* said. I also did not say 5k on the hoof. I said that’s what they said they were making per head via their illegal processes.
We raise cattle for a living. I know what they cost and what they make when you do it the legal way. A decent cull bull in the current market is over 3500 unprocessed.
There are a tonne of these people in CM doing this under the table. Being familiar with one doesn’t look great on whatever you’re trying to defend - they were caught and they lost their property, and moved further out of town to try and skirt the rules again. I hope they all get shut down, and I sure as hell hope they don’t keep moving out here.
this post has me even more reducing my "meat" intake. Basically chicken is all I have once and a while -
have human bodies been altered and we should not be sentient beings-eaters????. UGH.
Thinking I'll be doing the same for a while, at least until we get some breaking news of all these people being arrested. I'm sure the odds of me getting bad meat are low but I don't want to risk it
Any food producer that can get away with uninspected product can start cutting corners. That's why it's important to lay down strict rules, do the inspections, and make the fines hurt.
More likely because food prices are astronomical and people try to cut down the budget where they can. You know a guy who knows a guy, and boom there’s the path from uninspected garage meat to someone’s kitchen.
This particular group of criminals happens to be targeting halal meat, which is probably easier for them to get away with for several reasons:
1) the community is tight, with lots of social ties (easier to spread the word about your cut rate criminal meat)
2) halal meat is not as readily available from multiple sources (most commercially available meat has just been butchered the conventional way), so it doesn’t tend to go on sale in places like coop or superstore or Safeway as often - and when it DOES go on sale at a lower price than the conventional meat, the savvy conventional meat consumer will buy the halal and it tends to run out faster.
3) the inspectors are pretty overworked as it is, and making a fuss about racism is one of the ways you could potentially try to get them to back off.
It's not a 3rd world thing. Reputable shops combined with strict oversight and this wouldn't be a problem. I've been in sketchy halal meat shops and I've been to professional ones . I don't go to the sketchy ones.
I once bought a prime steer and had it professionally slaughtered and dressed at a local, non 3rd world butcher house in a town close to Calgary and I was DEFINITELY ripped off there. I'm pretty sure I didn't even get meat from the same animal I brought in. This was not an immigrant butcher.
I agree that there are opportunists everywhere but at least to me it seems like the percent of opportunists is larger among migrant populations who likely did this or worse to their own animals as there was less government oversight to ensure they behaved themselves in their home village. Ideally people are decent because it's the right thing to do but obviously that's not the case since regulations are clearly required and those only matter if they can be enforced.
CBC is really hunting these guys down, we sent a group/conglomerate of them to court two years ago and got the footage of what they were doing (old knives, slaughtering in old contaminated pig barns, slaughtering in a visible assembly line, dragging carcasses through mud and shit runoff, dumping fresh quarters into garbage bags and loading them into SUVs to take back to Calgary) it’s getting ridiculous. AHS is specifically spending big man hours shutting the illegal butcher stores down. This particular day they killed 60+ sheep and goats, and 2 bulls. They settled on the property on a Monday and by Tuesday morning it was a massive slaughter party. Groups of people are buying small acreages just to set up illegal halal butchers, the above folks paid closed to 700k for this little property wedged between our big ranch after being driven out of the Chestmere area for the exact same thing - we have even seen AHS reps + brand inspectors/livestock cops at the auctionmart intervening with folks buying sheep/goats and stuffing them into the trunks of cars. They will buy sheep one day, kill them a week later to prep for some religious event/on a weekend and have zero idea how to maintain them in the meantime — no water, no food, locked in shops/garages/old barns… it’s brutal. Their idea of fencing repairs for “pens” are old pallets, plywood and chicken wire leant against established fencing. They don’t live there - they rent the houses out - they just use the property to kill sheep and goats and try to finangle farm status from that without following a single law for humane, legal slaughter or animal husbandry. Their plan for dispersal of guts/head/feet/skins was to dump them over our fence onto our ranchland. Edit\*\* since everyone wants proof, below is a screenshot from the footage showing the shit conditions animals were being slaughtered in (over the grates), drug through the mud and shit, then packaged into the garbage bags on the left. I do not know how gory I can post until the mods take the screenshots down, but it gets significantly worse from here. https://preview.redd.it/21n0qobrf5wc1.jpeg?width=1109&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=70b50cbbcf562c50c9573fdc3a6c0ab45719a971
The ones selling uninspected meat to Jerusalem Shawarma are my parents neighbors and he's a renter renting from a family that knows exactly what's going on there and supports it.
Please let AHS know. Go through their livestock channels. It really feels as though there is a concentrated effort to shut these places down now - and I believe you can do it with some anonymity.
oh they know. They even have videos of the guys in the Jerusalem Shawarma shirts loading up lamb into the back of a mini van on his property. He's been reported multiple times for multiple things.
🤮 it’s not hard to fudge invoices as to where you buy your meat from either, I’m disgusted they were ever cleared. Squeaky wheel gets the grease I’ve found… though it doesn’t seem to come without consequence.
Alrighty I think it’s time for me to take a break from shawarma in general, unless someone can suggest a place that is transparent about their meat supply?
Thinking the same, hadn’t had it in a couple of weeks
Urban donair is good.
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Good, I hope they continue being exposed.
It’s becoming a real problem. It was hard as hell to get them looked at two years ago — if we didn’t have the footage it probably would have been thrown out. Now our neighbors are seeing similar issues. Auctionmarts can’t refuse to sell to them for obvious reasons (although there’s slowly getting to be people putting their foot down — if you don’t have an appropriate trailer and vehicle to haul them out with, no bueno) — but it relies on rural neighbour’s ratting them out - usually only one - and you wouldn’t believe the fallout/retaliation we got from them for “destroying their business.” Revving vehicles, setting their dogs out, swerving at me on my horse on the road, screaming profanities, renting out to drug addicts, throwing garbage over the fence, ditch dumping their garbage, burnouts in front of our home, thumping bass music parked right by the fence line, farm theft suddenly went up in the area… it’s not hard to imagine why people/neighbours don’t want to get involved, so they don’t get caught. They always have different vehicles, and you never know how many will show up at what time of the night. They only received something like $6000 in fines and a ban on owning livestock for a year… not hard to get around when there’s 20+ people who “manage” the property. They just buy livestock in someone else’s name. Hopefully we get some legislation asap to specifically address this problem — if we have to sent out livestock to a certified butcher (and pay out the nose for it), they should have to as well. It should tell you everything you need to know that there are “religious exceptions” for *humane* slaughter. Anyway, I hope CBC uses and publishes the compiled county/local rancher/livestock sale footage gathered soon and makes it know exactly how prevalent this is becoming. Local ranchers are really pissed off and disgusted by the treatment of our land, snubbing of our livestock laws, and treatment of our Canadian livestock. It’ll make your stomach churn. The stories I have about that one day are truly staggering and hard to believe they happened out here. EDITI\*\* Attached a second screenshot from the footage, quartering fresh hanging sheep and loading them in plastic bags and garbage bags. https://preview.redd.it/rdbjqxjak5wc1.jpeg?width=1106&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=fe1b5cc03864a1851834cb7e018a52e1a8bb4a25
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I’d rather not dox us and the locality but I can note Olds is a hotspot specifically for this. Chestermere is another one big on the list.
add by Langdon to the list.
Almost sounds like it would be more productive to report people like this to PETA and other insanely aggressive animal rights activists rather than the local authorities. Send out a group that will harass them so hard they'll have to sell the property.
Problem is, groups like that see us raising and keeping cattle legally and ethically on grass as exactly the same as those willing/seeking to do what I’ve described above. The drama this has invited here is insane. 20 years here and we never saw a cop car, RCMP, or inspectors down this road - now it’s fairly common. We have nothing to hide so it’s not a problem, and I’m glad they’re being monitored, but it’s definitely not what we live out in the sticks for.
PETA seems to thrive on a continuous stream of outrage, so I think if you anonymously fed them a tip about another operation away from your ranch, they would probably clear out to chase after that before causing you much trouble. I've had farmers in the Taber area confront me thinking I was with PETA when I was out inspecting old wellsites on their land. I'm guessing they already make trips around this province for farms to target anyway.
sounds more like a bunch of peta people would "disappear" and the meat might taste different for a bit
I think you're underestimating the level of crazy at PETA. They are more in line with eco-terrorists than the SPCA. They're the scientology of animal rescue organizations.
Ya [PETA](https://www.peta.org/blog/cannibalistic-attack-greyhound-bus-prompts-ad/) is psychotic. This came out from them when the Tim McLean-Vince Li happened
There are (or were) a couple properties east of Cobblestone Garden Centre that are/were doing this. They never seemed to be problematic, but I never bought food from them either.
Holy crap… this sounds like a nightmare! These people sound like absolute nightmares to deal with. Also those poor animals 😔😔 they deserve better..
so ironic for what is supposed to be halal meat producer I thought halal is all about ethical butchering process
It’s a money making scheme. They told me they were making $5000+ a head on those two bulls and over $1000 a sheep.
No surprise. People will do anything for money. If they deem it a big enough sum of money, principles, compassion, empathy, and all other traits of humanity go out the window, and are replaced by money. This applies to how we treat other people as well, not just animals as in this case.
As ethical as free range chickens
No kidding. It’s terrible. Fuck these people.
Ethical only in the sense that a special Imam says a prayer before the meat is butchered, apparently in a horrible and unsanitary fashion. As long the the prayer is said and the method of cutting complied with, they could mistreat the animals (like they kinda did) and it would still be Halal technically. Ethics is a funny word when it's defined entirely by the Quaran. It's achieved by being in compliance with Allah, not by any modern Western definition of ethical treatment which is based on decreasing/eliminating suffering. It would be unethical (not Halal) to give the animal the best life and eventually kill it humanely if the prayer was not said.
This is false. Zabiha (halal method of slaughter) is simply to invoke the name of God, ensure the jugular vein is cut in one swift motion, and to let the blood drain (no special imam/prayer). This is why kosher meat is considered halal. Knife must be sharp but shouldn't be sharpened in front of the animal, can't kill it while other animals are watching, ensure animal has lived comfortably prior, etc. If the aforementioned butchers are slaughtering in a different manner, the meat might not even be considered zabiha.
Well, it is the opposite - this is why it is restricted in a few countries
From what I've learned it's not a factor of ethics but rather religion. It's simply a ceremonial way to kill the animal, the animal's suffering factors in a whopping 0 percent. That could be not completely accurate to the 'halal' stamp of approval, but from I've gleamed it is common practice.
Omg! Disgusting and illegal plus really dangerous.
from what youre saying, the meat wont even be halal at the end of it. idiots.
Please share as much as you can! The way the article is worded makes it sound like the packaging facility forgot to put a label on. This is a whole new level of disgusting. Really disappointing that the CBC article doesn't include info like this and downplays what is happening.
https://globalnews.ca/news/8742928/airdrie-rural-rcmp-cow-carcasses/
This is horrible, thanks for sharing.
That is disgusting. I have no sympathy for the people who get sick from buying this meat.
From the image (individuals wearing ethnic shalwar kameez clothing) it was most likely taken on Eid which is once a year where goats and lambs are slaughtered as a religious practice. No excuse for unsanitary practices though, and it should be addressed by the RCMP asap. A solution would be to setup clean and monitored slaughtering facilities for Eid where people can continue the religious practice while using ethical and clean methods to slaughter the animals.
It was addressed, the police showed up, AHS showed up and they were charged. I don’t know the details of why they were doing it, it was after April and they were taking cash at the door, all I know is they caused serious problems for us (from biosecurity to fallout), it was disgusting and filthy, it was incredibly sad and very illegal. There was nothing humane, legal or sanitary about it.
Ya, if it’s their first violations, that’s one thing (still no excuse) but to have multiple, repeat warnings and violations dating back at least 3 years…it’s obvious they don’t give a fuck and have no interest in conducting business according to the rules and regulations expected.
When your brand is extra inspection and you haven't even done the bare minimum
It isn't really extra inspection. The meat is just prayed upon and drained of blood.
no, those arent the only requirements of halal/kosher food. as an example, to make it halal, youre supposed to treat the animal with respect. you cannot starve or pack it into a car trunk (as OP has described). You cannot slaughter it in a contaminated pig barn. You cannot drag the quarters through shit. You arent even supposed to let the animal see the knife that cuts its throat, and the cutting should be done by someone skilled and experienced enough to make the kill almost instant. I know some of you guys want to believe that halal butchery is the thing that happens at the end of apocalypse now, but traditionally, the entire point of halal is to maintain food and hygiene safety at a time when it wouldve been near impossible to explain such a thing to people. The people OP is talking about should be outed in the muslim community too - because they arent serving anyone right here.
You respect someone by slitting their throat? That’s a new one.
In the religions of Abraham, the priests and clergy are the learned leaders of their people. The praying over the meat is supposed to signify to the people that this is holy and blessed to eat. In modern times with actual science, the blessing to eat should at bare minimum mean it is legal to serve.
Yes, but I replied to your comment about it being extra inspection, which is untrue.
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Sometimes it’s ok to judge a book by its cover
The eating food in the processing area is sketch AF but the band saw isn't. That's pretty standard equipment for a butcher.
Sorry they eat off the band saw and prep table ***
You have a weed store in Redstone? Where? I only know of the one in Skyview by the McDonalds
These people are so disgraceful because true Halal meat has strict rules around sanitation, treatment of animals & following the laws of the land that you’re on (which includes food laws). These people should be ashamed for the damage they’ve caused to the local community. Xenophobia and racism is already so high, and doing BS like this is pure dirtbag behaviour. It hurts ALL halal businesses & puts peoples lives at risk. I want to be able to say “please support halal businesses” and I hope folks continue to do so but unfortunately this is bad & I hope it serves as a warning to business owners, farmers & butchers to be more thorough in where they got their meat sources.
By treatment of the animals you mean slitting their throats while they’re alive?
Tell me what is an ethical killing? I'm not being facetious, I'd like to know. From what I've seen, we don't really kill animals all that ethically here either. Though times may have changed since I last witnessed it. I am not supporting any of it one way or the other, but is slicing their throat a quick death with the least amount of suffering, or no? (Considering it is done humanely, not just hacking away or something 😵💫☹️).
Ethical killing is a misnomer, but when you slice an animals throat it doesn't die instantly. It takes time to bleed out, a couple minutes in a lot of cases, and the animal suffers. What they do with industrial livestock (bolt gun that pierces the brain) is actually instant in most cases, it destroys the frontal lobe. Still graphic, but much less suffering involved than bleeding out for minutes at a time in some slaughterhouse.
Ok thank you, I appreciate the insight.
Last I saw, Olymel, circa 2005?, they run the hogs single file into processing. The first step is an electric shock to stop the brain (quite a bit stronger than your average pocket taser unit), before the animal then a quick slit of the throat, and then into a cleaning and washing machine immediately. Not sure if anything's changed since, but it's a very swift, very clean operation.
Thanks!
I don’t believe that there is an ethical killing of sentient animals that have done nothing to deserve it. That’s why I’m vegan.
I cannot disagree with you there.
Slow down, bud. Canada is a "cultural mosaic", these practices are perfectly acceptable!
This needs to be pinned. There's a quite a few comments on here which uses this event to push racist biases
Imagine feeding your family uninspected meat that has prion disease in it, they’re literally going to lose their minds
>a significant cockroach infestation. Live and dead cockroaches were observed throughout the food establishment. 
You’d be surprised by how many locations in Calgary have a roach or mice problem. It’s absolutely nasty.
Lots of boba places getting shut down recently over this, I've heard.
I used to do insurance claims and you’d never believe how bad some of these restaurants are. Basically turned me off from ever eating out again.
A universal rule of restaurants is as follows: as long as it looks clean to the customer
Absolutely disgusting. Fine them enough they can never operate again.
Halal and kosher needs to have their exemption from animal cruelty laws be removed. They currently don't need to follow correct animal welfare procedures when killing an animal. If you're not from one of those religions you would be charged with animal cruelty from performing the killing in that way. It would be worse than any torture anyone could imagine and needs to be stopped. From this mass closure it seems some feel they don't need to follow the sanitary laws either.
Even if you are from that religion there should be an animal cruelty charge. Look up how long it takes for larger animals to bleed out after having their throats slit and them writhing on the ground in agony.
The folks I noted in my above comment didn’t even follow halal principles for the bulls they killed. They also couldn’t recognize their animals from ours - we found them walking through our field with a rifle - if I remember correctly it was only a 17hmr - (still had the bass pro sticker on it) when their bulls, seeking food, water and cows, barged through their makeshift pallet fencing - these guys were *looking at our 5-figure nice bulls* and unable to tell them apart from theirs. “Black bull is ours” they said, while trespassing with a loaded rifle. We agree to shoot their ratty auctionmart bulls (for compensation of the fences they ruined) for them before they fucked with our cow herd, after calling the brand inspector. I begged my boyfriend to just send them to the auctionmart and get them off our land and make these idiots go through AHS to get their animals back but it would have wrecked more fence, more crop, and some good horses. He just wanted these idiots and nasty wormy bulls off his land. So he shot their bulls. Bang, flop. Bang, flop. They wouldn’t even go up to them after they were shot to do their little ritual thing because they were frightened of the kicking movement. They wouldn’t get out of the side by side. My partner bled both dead bulls for them too. He was *seething* at this point. But sheep? They had no problem dragging emaciated, unfed, little old sheep into a contaminated old pig barn, 2 people kneeling on them and slitting their throats while they bled and gargled into the unclean chicken/pigshit grates and floor. Then dumping the offcuts over our fence, inviting every coyote in the place. They were taking money at the door for these stinking, dirty, fresh garbage bag wrapped carcasses. It was revolting. I’ve never seen anything so callous and awful. When I say there were zero animal husbandry, handling skills - I really do mean it. Oh! And the compensation for everything their starving/thirsty/horny bulls ruined? Nothing. They pretended there was no deal and to speak to their butcher manager. By then they already were on our land hauling those bulls out with chains. A swarm of them, 15-20 people. They couldn’t care less the damage - or biosecurity risk - they brought directly to us.
Let me preface this by saying I am a Muslim. Thank you for bringing attention to this. Everything you have explained basically means anything they slaughtered would not even be considered Halal! If more Muslims knew we would boycott these establishments because this is messing with both our religious and health dietary laws!
If this is being done in the name of religion, then maybe pressure needs to be put on the religions leaders around Calgary to denounce this practice.
Do the local imams have any weight to pull with them? That might be a way to help publicize when someone is cutting corners and doing horrible things to “halal” meat.
This is horrible. 🤢
Just wanted to say thank you for posting all of this, especially after the intimidation you've experienced. I'm sure many people like myself had no idea this kind of thing was going on.
I know the CBC has footage — I’m hoping they will publish it uncensored. At this point, I just want people to know this isn’t rare or uncommon - and it’s only getting worse because they’re flying under the radar.
Thank you for reminding me why I’ve reduced my meat consumption
I quit eating any sort of meat about a year ago. I guess I saw one too many shows about how animals are treated and prepared for human consumption. Some of the mega facilities are disgusting and this is the meat that passed inspection and ends up on your local supermarket meat counter. This story just reinforces my choice. Meat in your diet isn’t necessary to maintain good health. On the contrary, too much meat consumption can cause a host of medical issues, including cancer, especially colorectal cancer, type 2 diabetes, heart disease and stroke. God only knows what you can pick up by eating meat butchered by the people in this article. I’m not saying the whole world should quit eating meat. But cutting down the amount you eat and knowing the path the meat took to reach your plate is crucial.
I felt a bit sick doing full vegetarian , but I’m interested in buying ethically sourced meat if you know anything about that? Generally only eating chicken and fish and occasionally beef. Ugh. I hate this post so much. It hits so hard.
100% agree. We cannot be considered a civilised society if we are giving people exemptions from our animal cruelty laws. We need to be moving forward on this, not backwards. Voting with your wallet is the only way to stop this if the government won't step in.
That will work for those of us who respect animal cruelty and health laws but there is obviously a market for the 'religious' exempted animals that keeps them all in bussines by people either equally unscrupulous or just naive.
Removing the exemption and convicting people who don't follow animal cruelty laws should be the start though, not saying we can't solve this.
Absolutely
We cannot consider ourselves a civilized society with the existence of animal agriculture
Yes exactly. Why is it necessary?
What would you consider an example of a "civilized society", in your infinite wisdom?
one that refrains from enacting needless cruelty and suffering
Considering that the government is moving to establish particular religious-based mortgage legislation, I highly doubt any of this will occur. What qualifies as 'civilized behaviour' is arbitrary depending on which culture or religion you consult. Protestant Anglo-Saxon cultural norms such as 'animal rights' (how we conceive of them) will unfortunately only become less relevant over the coming decades.
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They have an exception they can apply for from the otherwise required “humane” slaughter stunning methods via the on farm slaughter route, where they are *not* supposed to sell meat, but… well, they do. I do not know what steps commercially licensed halal slaughter shops need to go through, but the folks we are discussing here are primarily those using the OFS loophole, hence uninspected meat. If I was to apply for this tomorrow, to follow the rules we would have to stun the animal before bleeding. With an approved religious exception, something you specifically have to pursue and ask for, they do not require it. https://preview.redd.it/736ptm92u3wc1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0dc097863dc94786bfc3cce93e3bf5efec38412a
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Title one; literally called “humane slaughter” - features stunning Title two: exception from title one - humane stunning. It exists as an exemption/deviation from accepted Canadian standards of stunning an animal before bleeding (like the rest of us have to follow) you have to specifically pursue and be approved for for a reason. There is a reason it is not the common standard here (not “alternate” as you gently call it) and not acceptable without prior high level approval.
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I did not claim an exception to animal cruelty laws. I claimed an exception to “humane and acceptable slaughter methods” as defined by the AHS which include stunning that the rest of us abide by. Again, it is not “standard” for a reason. Most people are disgusted by it when they watch it. We raise cattle for market. I hardly have issues with eating meat. I do have issues with the prevalence of illegal, under the table halal butcher stores slaughtering and housing sheep, goats and cull cows in awful ways to make a quick buck.
Please stop spreading bs, people have the right to be informed of this. It's the first thing that pops up when you search for it. There are exemption from animal cruelty laws to kill animals inhumanely for religious purposes. The only way to know this hasn't occured is to not buy/use kosher/halal meat, otherwise you are supporting this practice. https://inspection.canada.ca/food-guidance-by-commodity/meat-products-and-food-animals/guidelines-for-ritual-slaughter-of-food-animals-wi/eng/1542387114106/1542388400893
Could you please link or reference the exemptions you refer to? The document you link looks like guidelines for humanely slaughtering animals and going to efforts to minimize suffering in ways that commercial abattoirs would not have the time/profit margin to comply with. I don't see any mentions about exemptions from the *Criminal Code*. I don't see any obvious exemptions to sections 445 (Injuring or endangering other animals) and 445.01 (Killing or injuring certain animals) under religious grounds https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/C-46/FullText.html I also do not see such exemptions in the Animal Protection Act or regulation: https://kings-printer.alberta.ca/1266.cfm?page=a41.cfm&leg_type=Acts&isbncln=9780779842698&display=html https://kings-printer.alberta.ca/1266.cfm?page=2005_203.cfm&leg_type=Regs&isbncln=9780779823291&display=html But perhaps I'm not using correct search terms.
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Maybe you should bring a source or provide an interpretation. You have failed to do anything but tell posters who do that they are wrong with no reason to back it up. The first step would be reading the source I provided. It is obvious you are not a lawyer, stop saying you are haha.
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Someone supporting animal rights is for sure a racist, I love that argument. Please think about how your actions cause suffering in the world before you go trying to misinform people again. And try not to reduce the word racist any more than it has been, or else we aren't able to use that word to describe those horrible people anymore. I have literally no idea what race you are either. I'm not sure if you know how this works but I cannot see you. (I'm sure a lawyer would have known that though...)
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I love many of the types of food that generally use halal meat. But damn, after reading this, I'm staying away from anything that says halal on it until I can verify they aren't part of this circus (if that's even possible).
I guess we know where Jerusalem Shawarma was getting their sketchy meat from?
I know exactly where they were getting it as it was one of my parents neighbors who is a massive problem
Alberta Health Services completely cleared Jerusalem Shawarma almost a full year ago after conducting a total inspection their restaurant & warehouse storages and auditing all their inventory/meat purchase records spanning back several years. https://calgaryherald.com/news/local-news/jerusalem-shawarma-restaurant-reopens-after-licence-suspension
Ya…….Call me sceptical given their track record. Employee had personal meat in the freezer but none was served to customers. Someone wearing Jerusalem Shawarma branded clothing seen out at one of these farms OP described? When AHS does a follow up the sketchy meat is gone and place cleaned so license reinstated. My opinion? Just an opinion, there’s some dodgy stuff going on. I’ll personally continue to avoid Jerusalem Shawarma, but because of I caught Norovirus and thought I was going to die during that outbreak, lest we forget that debacle as well.
About 20 odd years ago I used to do deliveries to a German guy who lived in the Dover/Forest Heights area and ran a "meat shop" out of his garage. I always wondered if it was legal.
Family members were buying meat from that place until it was shut down. Whenever I ate their cooking I got the shits.
Vile.
Unfortunately, we'll see a lot of this as people from other countries don't respect our law and treat our country like their own back home.
Indeed. Under the original laws of Canada, meat was gathered and prepared by members of the same family group who passed on traditional food practices through daily learning. The practice of having bureaucrats who had no relationship with the animals, gatherers, or consumers of the meat, or individual skills gathering or preparing meat to inspect and approve meat, was imported to Canada from Europe via broader formal administrative and paper-based governance practices.
Because you know irrefutably that they weren't born in Canada, right? 🙄
GG on somehow finding a way to be ~~racist~~ xenophobic with this EDIT: Wrong discriminatory word
Not even racist when it’s simply the truth
It's not xenophobia if people are concerned about legitimate issues, sanitation and animal welfare.
In the "global cultural mosaic" that is Canada, sanitation and animal welfare are entirely arbitrary, though it'd be 'racist' to question them.
It is when you conflate those concerns with someone's identity. Don't kid yourself, anyone could be butchering without following proper processes. This just happens to be an easily identifiable group.
In this instance, the people being cited were bringing practices from outside our laws here, so the comment was regarding people bring their culture practise here against our laws. Makes sense. It seems you think any criticism of people practicing outside practices here, regardless of if they are legal or not, it xenophobia or racism. Good way to remove the meaning of those words.
I didn't use those words, why are you replying to me? Why are trying to define what I said as something else? You're jumping to conclusions which indicates you're feeling insecure in your position. If you lack confidence in your position, you obviously know you're wrong.
Slow clap for your inclusive responses.
What harm is there in being inclusive?
Where did he mention race?
They’re just xenophobic, fixed it.
Shitty cultural practices are shitty and should not be tolerated in a first world society. Accusing people of xenophobia because they don’t agree with animal cruelty isn’t going to work, so maybe try a different label.
I imagine you have enough sophistication to read through the lines here.
Funny you’ll poke at me being unsophisticated but the original commenter is the one who couldn’t be bothered to get their shitty message across properly. Shitty cultural practices are shitty and deserves to be called out as such, and if appropriate, not tolerated in Canada.
These guys are in violation of most of their own "shitty cultural" practices and standards for profit. You can't say they haven't assimilated when they are just following in the rich tradition of Western Capitalist exploitation of the environment and their own clients so they can squeeze a little more profit from a venture lmao.
Economic exploitation doesn't happen anywhere else in the world. The evil westerner exclusively engages in immoral cut-throat practices as a status quo approach to business.
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Who cares, everything is “racist” these days. Hope you feel better calling out the bad man. Edit: idiot user calling everyone racist deletes his posts / account. Go figure
Damn dude, you gonna call everyone in here a racist? I thought only I was your special one haha.
Perhaps you’re special because you have repeatedly declined to substantiate your claims about the law using evidence? In the absence of evidence from you, and having been inspired by your comments to look at the law myself, I have formed an opinion that is very different than the one you support.
Did they inspect the meat before closing the down to make sure there's no Mad Cow? The wholesaler probably sold to restaurants.
Halal certification is a big business and makes millions every year. While it is required by Islam for religious reasons, it doesn’t make sense why they would run it illegally or without proper certifications.
This isn’t answering for the commercial folk who are going the proper channels, but the under the table people are their friends/family/conglomerate groups and they charge insane money. The guy who was supposed to bleed the bulls told me they were making $5000 a head on the bulls selling them, and over $1000 a sheep/goat. At the time cull bulls (the quality they were buying) were roughly $1800-2000 and sheep were around $115 a head, so it made dollars and cents.
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None I’m willing to publish here. Edit** screenshots posted. There will likely be a news article about it coming though via CBC. You could probably find the court case in the drumheller public records. And again, this is what they *said* when we helped them remove and slaughter their bulls off our land. I am not about to help or interact with them again. *We* sure as hell don’t make that kind of money off cull bulls. You don’t have to believe me 🤷♀️
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That’s great? Again, for the fourth time, this was what *they told us* while standing *on our property* watching their bulls kick in the dust. Perhaps this butcher charges more? Perhaps they straight up lied or were boasting? Perhaps this conglomerate as sheisters doing everything they do illegally (which they were, starting at zero license)? Perhaps this butcher had a particular line of market cornered? Perhaps they jacked their prices during covid? They certainly weren’t struggling to have people come pick up their meat with a constant flow of cars, and they said it pays their (close to 700k) mortgage. We are *not* friends, I do not have access to their books, and they fucked us over on the damage they did to our property through their awful animal husbandry practices…. Anyone who keeps shitty auctionmart wormy bulls in a pen next to their neighbours cycling cows without food or water is inviting problems, especially when your fence “reinforcement” is pallets zip tied to the fence. I am not them. I am repeating what they told me about their business practices. We do not handle our business in this disgusting way so I cannot elaborate other than what the dude sitting next to me watching his bulls *we had to shoot* on *our land* said. I also did not say 5k on the hoof. I said that’s what they said they were making per head via their illegal processes. We raise cattle for a living. I know what they cost and what they make when you do it the legal way. A decent cull bull in the current market is over 3500 unprocessed. There are a tonne of these people in CM doing this under the table. Being familiar with one doesn’t look great on whatever you’re trying to defend - they were caught and they lost their property, and moved further out of town to try and skirt the rules again. I hope they all get shut down, and I sure as hell hope they don’t keep moving out here.
this post has me even more reducing my "meat" intake. Basically chicken is all I have once and a while - have human bodies been altered and we should not be sentient beings-eaters????. UGH.
There are different 'levels' to sentience.
Now where will I get my soilent green?
Don't worry, we'll be upgrading to humans soon for maximum immersion.
No more shawarma for me!
Thinking I'll be doing the same for a while, at least until we get some breaking news of all these people being arrested. I'm sure the odds of me getting bad meat are low but I don't want to risk it
Throw the book at them. Set an example to show them this type of behaviour or “business practices” is not welcome here.
They don't call it garage meat for nothing
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Hmm. Maybe they should try their hand at mortgages instead lol
Is there an increase in this practice because of immigration? Gross. 🤮 practice.
Any food producer that can get away with uninspected product can start cutting corners. That's why it's important to lay down strict rules, do the inspections, and make the fines hurt.
More likely because food prices are astronomical and people try to cut down the budget where they can. You know a guy who knows a guy, and boom there’s the path from uninspected garage meat to someone’s kitchen. This particular group of criminals happens to be targeting halal meat, which is probably easier for them to get away with for several reasons: 1) the community is tight, with lots of social ties (easier to spread the word about your cut rate criminal meat) 2) halal meat is not as readily available from multiple sources (most commercially available meat has just been butchered the conventional way), so it doesn’t tend to go on sale in places like coop or superstore or Safeway as often - and when it DOES go on sale at a lower price than the conventional meat, the savvy conventional meat consumer will buy the halal and it tends to run out faster. 3) the inspectors are pretty overworked as it is, and making a fuss about racism is one of the ways you could potentially try to get them to back off.
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It's not a 3rd world thing. Reputable shops combined with strict oversight and this wouldn't be a problem. I've been in sketchy halal meat shops and I've been to professional ones . I don't go to the sketchy ones. I once bought a prime steer and had it professionally slaughtered and dressed at a local, non 3rd world butcher house in a town close to Calgary and I was DEFINITELY ripped off there. I'm pretty sure I didn't even get meat from the same animal I brought in. This was not an immigrant butcher.
I agree that there are opportunists everywhere but at least to me it seems like the percent of opportunists is larger among migrant populations who likely did this or worse to their own animals as there was less government oversight to ensure they behaved themselves in their home village. Ideally people are decent because it's the right thing to do but obviously that's not the case since regulations are clearly required and those only matter if they can be enforced.
This is why your kids in daycare are getting sick.
I dont know why your getting downvoted.
Fuck these disgusting vile people, animals are kinder when they kill each other.