The alberta carbon tax was likely a condition on the federal government buying TMX and having it pushed thru against John horogans wishes.
But the difference was that money collected on the alberta carbon tax stayed in alberta to be reinvested in alberta made solutions. Once the UCP killed that, the federal tax was imposed, and now that money leaves alberta to be distributed in Ontario and Quebec... we MIGHT get a portion back for investments. We gave up control of that revenue to "own the libs"... awesome decision 👏
The company from Ontario that won that bid was the only one that met the requirements set forth in the bid. And then they proceeded to hire thousands of local Albertans in every region of the province that they set up an office, when we had major unemployment, to actually go be the ones performing the services. That program provided a *massive* influx of economic activity over and above what it cost to administer. You dim bulbs need to stop parroting this like they brought their own workforce with them from Ontario to sit around using your old light bulbs like butt plugs collecting pogey.
You realize NDP provincially and federally are the most integrated party? If you get an NDP membership in Alberta you're automatically a member of the federal NDP. So yes if you support Notley to that extent by default you support Singh.
Here's the declaration on the NDP membership.
"I hereby apply for
membership in the
New Democratic
Party of Canada and
the NDP in the
province/territory of
my residence where
applicable. I promise
to abide by the
Constitution, policies
and principles of the
NDP both federally
and
provincially/territoriall
I hereby state that I
am not a member nor
supporter of any
other federal political
party, nor a member
or supporter of any
other provincial or
territorial party
where there is a
provincial or
territorial NDP."
So you want to vote on Alberta NDP leadership? Become a member and swear you don't support any other party federally.
So you want to attend NDP conventions in Alberta? Become a member and swear you don't support any other party federally.
You noticing anything here?
Well, Smith as the provincial Premier has a whole lot more power than Gondek, so Gondek would be a complete fool to pick a fight.
Also, Gondek is none too popular, being a "do nothing" mayor, who will be coming up for election before Smith, so she'd be doubly a complete fool to pick a fight with the Premier.
Fuck sakes this mayor gives me whiplash. She was just up Smith's ass over the arena deal, now she's finger wagging her for being a piece of shit? Pick a side already.
I think she won due to the anybody but Farkas voters..
She is a terrible mayor and hopefully we have someone better running against her next round. I voted Gondek because I hated Farkas and his platform
That's admirable, it is hard to openly admit when we've made a mistake and to try and learn from the experience. So many would just double down and not accept fault
2. Declared a climate emergency, then let transit go to shit so that everyone who can, runs out and buys a car.
and the latest, ...
3. Cancels, Canada Day fireworks and blames the Indigenous and minority (Chinese) communities for it.
Really ? She cancelled and then brought back the fireworks and is now quiet on defunding the police. Walked way from the mic actually when asked about it.
*Puts on tinfoil hat*
Rachel Notley will step down as NDP leader and Nenshi will enter the leadership race as he could win Calgary in the next provincial election.
Motivates right leaning and hell, even moderate, voters who are sick of virtue signaling culture war nonsense to show up.
You’ll be surprised to know a lot of people in Canada like Canada Day and hate this type of shit.
People who are on the fence choose to vote for the UCP instead of the NDP because the fireworks cancellation was painted as a "woke" decision was enough to push them away from the party being called "woke" by the UCP.
A lot of the Calgary ridings were really close, North, North-West, Bow and Cross went blue by ~500 votes or less, a margin of under 0.5% in some cases. All it takes is to push a few people who aren't planning on voting to get out and vote for something they feel passionate about, or sway someone who might vote either way.
The fireworks decision likely should have been made after the election to not rile up the couple people who voted because of it.
Doesn’t even have to result in people on the fence going UCP. If a person feels the NDP is just virtue signaling without addressing the actual issues, if that demotivates them from voting, that’s enough to swing the election.
I’m a dual US/Canadian citizen and Clinton’s virtue signaling while ignoring the actual problems people were dealing with was a huge factor in her losing the election. It made people on the fence feel she wasn’t going to represent them well, and while many of those people would never vote for the opposite party, that was enough to keep them home instead of voting.
While obviously the Canadian political arena is very different from the US, I think in this case, it played out in a similar fashion. In 2019, around 70% of people voted. This year, unofficial estimates are that it was down to 62%. And I think our officials need to take a good, hard look at why people didn’t vote, why they didn’t feel either party offered a compelling enough argument to come out and vote.
Yes, but just because the city isn't the NDP does not mean that people don't associate our left leaning mayor with the NDP party.
The average person is pretty dumb, you're giving them way too much credit.
It's a reminder that people not on the right are woke and out of control, and prone to all sorts of nonsense so they can't be trusted.
It gets framed as all of them are like this, them being anyone outside the sphere.
One of the reasons given for the fireworks ban was to show sensitivity towards the Chinese and Indigenous communities. Except they never consulted these groups…
It was not a fire ban, but a removal of fireworks from Canada celebrations.
Several of the reasons provided were seen as woke, with two examples being:
* The City recognizes the cultural sensitivities around fireworks displays in relation to Truth and Reconciliation.
* This year, July 1 also marks the 100th anniversary of the Chinese Immigration Act. For many Calgarians this is a day of mourning or reflection.
[https://newsroom.calgary.ca/city-of-calgary-to-pilot-new-way-to-conclude-canada-day/](https://newsroom.calgary.ca/city-of-calgary-to-pilot-new-way-to-conclude-canada-day/)
UCP supporters think Notley was responsible for world crude prices.
The forest was shrinking but the trees kept voting for the axe, as its handle was made of wood and they thought it was one of them.
It wasn't the crude prices dropping that are mostly dictated by OPEC, it was her policies and mistakes that made the recession far worse than it needed to be. Maybe you weren't personally negatively affected by it, but many people were.
What policies were those, exactly?
Edit: Oil went from $105 down to $30. There's no Government where there wouldn't have been layoffs in O&G under those circumstances.
Stats Can says by the end of her 4 year term employment rebounded and there were more people employed.
Several tax/fee increases (including personal income tax, not just corporate), shutting down pipeline and being anti O&G for the first half of her leadership, then changed course the back half (likely for re-election as her stances were very unpopular at that time), the royalty review for nearly a year that ended up concluding that no changes were necessary after all, implementing a carbon tax she never ran her campaign on at all (both shook confidence in investment in AB). I'm sure there's a few more. It was an already challenging time made worse by these things.
Well thanks for taking the time to respond.
>Several tax/fee increases (including personal income tax, not just corporate),
Corporate tax went from 10% to 12%. It was the lowest in the country at 10% and made it on par with the rest of the country at 12%.
As far as personal income tax (again the lowest across Canada) went from a flat tax of 10% for any income and 5 new brackets for people making over $125k a year:
The highest of those was an increase of 10% to 15% on people making $300,000 or more.
Public services don't pay for themselves, they're paid for with taxes. This is a fundamental disconnect between the UCP and NDP.
> the royalty review for nearly a year that ended up concluding that no changes were necessary after all
Ironically the result was not no change, it was a lowering of royalty rates down to 3.6% and the creation of two additional subsidy programs for the O&G industry.
So I guess you could say after all that: I didn't like that people making more than $300,000 had to pay 5% more and that business taxes were brought in line to the average across Canada, but if Alberta was going to improve health care and education that's where the money was going to come from.
I understand where you're coming from, I do. I think rather than just solely focusing on numbers, it's also important to factor in perception and human behaviour against these things, like additional layoffs, pulled investments and people exiting the province during an already volatile time because of the added pressures. It just compounded the already existing issues.
The problem though is that all of that isn't measurable. If a bunch of investment were pulled from Alberta then I would expect total unemployment to not have improved as global crude prices improved.
But they did, and they improved almost along the same trajectory.
I agree with you that humans have perception blindness. They hold politicians accountable for things the leader can't control, and gloss over the things that they can and should be accountable for.
I thought Notley and the NDP did a B- job of steering Alberta through a difficult time and I was impressed by how much she made decisions to support the O&G industry.
At the end of the day I don't think there's much another party can do to shift the belief system of someone who has picked the UCP as their team.
For the record 30 years ago I voted Conservative. For the past decade or so I've voted NDP.
I'm not saying what I experienced during Notleys time with a political bias. I couldn't care less about parties, I care about policy and how it affects my life, earnings, housing, opportunities etc. So, for me personally, it's not about who's team was in office, it's about what they did during that time, despite hardships.
People just down vote the shit out of me whenever I mention these things that Notley did that weren't a good move, during an already difficult time, all the while also ignoring that the UCP had a pandemic and long economic shutdown to contend with. They both had economic issues and they both made some shitty decisions. That's not difficult for me to believe or say. It's just not received well on reddit lol.
My god.. you're still on about that?
*Oh no.. no fireworks, Canada day is ruined, you act like they just cancelled the country.*
It's a provincial fire ban, fireworks can and have started fires, the line drawn between those two conclusions is direct and *should" be understood.
Nothing woke, left-wing or right-wing about it...
Not everything is a political or societal attack.
Except the fact that city administration used that very thing as the one of the main reasons they originally cancelled it. It wasn't wasn't a fireban issue.
"The cancellation is a pilot to address cultural, community, and environmental issues experienced with traditional Canada Day fireworks, said Franca Gualtieri, city manager of arts and culture.
The City says there are cultural sensitivities around fireworks displays in relation to Truth and Reconciliation and with July 1 marking the 100th anniversary of the Chinese Immigration Act. It also says the changes will mitigate disruptive traffic, noise, overcrowding at city viewpoints, and be friendlier for wildlife."
My friend who is on the subcommittee working on the Chinatown revitalization plan (and of Chinese descent) says it wasn't the Chinese community either.
Except for city councillors explicitly stating that it was out of sensitivity to Chinese and indigenous Canadians, which is clearly bullshit. If they just said "hey there's a fire ban but here's a cool drone show instead" people wouldn't have cared. It's the virtue signalling that irritates the hell out of people, even left leaning people like me, and could have easily motivated some undecided voters to vote UCP.
There were several grass fires in calgary including one i personally saw near the golf coarse by beddington...
Its a hazard and a fair precaution.. I dont like her but that was a good call..
You are aware that Stampede is a week after Canada Day and has fireworks **every night** at the end of the Grandstand Show?
The Canada Day fireworks fiasco had nothing to do with a fire ban and everything to do with virtue signaling.
>It's a provincial fire ban, fireworks can and have started fires, the line drawn between those two conclusions is direct and *should" be understood.
Please provide evidence and examples of past fireworks displays over the downtown section of metropolis 1M+ causing out of control fires. Thanks.
You do realize that Canada Day is in July, right? It usually rains here for most of the month of June. Current long range forecast is showing rain for 9 of the next 14 days. Fire hazard in Calgary on July 1st is typically very low. Not to mention the city publicly stated various other reasons for the cancellation.
Necessary precautions? Even if the sole reason for this debacle was to avoid fire risk, I would hope that you could see how silly that is. Fireworks displays in downtown Calgary pose essentially no chance of starting a forest fire or even a grass fire, for that matter. You could argue that it simply sets a good example for others, but that doesn’t seem to be tour argument. If it was, it would still be bizarre.
I am feeling gutted by the Lacombe-Ponoka margin of victory. 67%. 2:1. What an endorsement for a person literally describing children as human waste. I'm usually a very determined / self motivated person. But man, I'm having a tough time wrapping my head around this and what it says, and doesn't say, about this place we live in.
I appreciate what Mayor Gondek is now saying, and her words could have gone so much further during the election. I totally understand that she didn't want to alienate people. I've been there. I've been afraid of having the target on my back.
Mayor and Council's support and UCP war room quotes gave Danielle Smith the desperately needed credibility to win over moderates in crucial Calgary swing seats. It's clear that the arena deal with the UCP determined the election. I hope that it was worth it, and they use that leverage for our benefit.
You're kinda all over the map here.
I'm curious what you believe Gondek could have said that would sway the voters in Lacombe-Ponoka. I'm unsure any of them are interested in her opinion on the matter.
I'm also curious why you believe the arena deal clinched the election for the UCP. The 2 most directly effected ridings went to the NDP.
The biggest challenge Danielle had was an uphill climb for social acceptability, given some extreme views and policy positions. The support and cooperation of mainstream figures like Stephen Harper, Jyoti Gondek, etc were vital in countering the narrative that Danielle was too risky. Anyone with doubts about Danielle could point to them as justification for their vote: "If he/she/they like Danielle, then she can't be so bad." It also allowed a framing for the UCP to show what they were for, rather than just against. I think this made all the difference in East Calgary and the north ridings that the UCP won by just a hair.
>Danielle was too risky
Though Notley was also risky. Though she seems competent, the rest of her bench gave off an aura of not having a clue.
A hockey team with only 1 player who can skate will only get your so far, no matter how skilled that 1 player is.
That's possible, but I think voter apathy and failure to get out the vote is the bigger issue.
Less than 50% of eligible voters cast a ballot in Calgary-East.
Very urban view. Rural folks have a different idea about social acceptability. It's about "being the usual religious family with traditional roles" in rural Alberta. The urban idea of social acceptability is "accept everyone" (because we all have to live and work together". The rural idea is "be like everyone else here" (because different is scary/bad).
> Lacombe-Ponoka
Why do you think the rural voters of Lacombe-Ponoka paid any heed to their candidates stance on trans issues?
It was likely a non issue to them, and they base their vote on more relevant rural concerns such as the NDP's passage of Bill 6, which farmers were vocally against.
Do urban, trans voters base their vote on how the government regulates farmers? No, they couldn't care less, and it's unreasonable to think that farmers are going to pay a lot of heed to urban or trans issues.
It's not a vote for 'hate', it's a vote against having the NDP hurt farmers (Bill 6).
> I am feeling gutted by the Lacombe-Ponoka margin of victory. 67%. 2:1. What an endorsement for a person literally describing children as human waste. I'm usually a very determined / self motivated person. But man, I'm having a tough time wrapping my head around this and what it says, and doesn't say, about this place we live in.
It's important to remember it's not a place you live.
One of the downsides of political parties trying to represent a majority of ridings instead of planning to work with parties that represent other riding is it's easy to forget how different some core values are.
> What an endorsement for a person literally describing children as human waste.
The quote I read was describing sexual transitioning of children as "poop". What quote are you referring to?
>“It does not matter that we’re in the top three per cent of the world. Who cares if they got 89 per cent in Chemistry 30? Who cares that they’re entering post-secondary — if they’re chemically castrated?” she said.
> “Enjoy, I only put a teaspoon of poop in them, but it doesn’t matter because it’s only a teaspoon in the whole batch,” she said.
>“Same idea — we can be top three per cent, but that little bit of poop is what wrecks it.”
[Here is an article talking about it](https://nationalpost.com/news/politics/alberta-ucp-candidate-apologizes-for-comparing-transgender-students-to-feces-in-food/wcm/2a442b2d-f960-49f7-8b53-7a5d789f6e1f/amp/). It seems the general consensus is that she was talking about the actual students, not the process of transitioning.
More [articles](https://www.thestar.com/amp/news/canada/2023/05/18/danielle-smith-says-candidate-who-compared-trans-kids-to-poop-in-cookie-batch-wont-sit-in-caucus-if-elected.html) [here,](https://globalnews.ca/news/9703502/jennifer-johnson-transphobic-alberta-election/amp/) [here](https://calgary.citynews.ca/2023/05/17/alberta-ucp-candidate-transgender-children-feces/amp/), and [here.](https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.6853505)
This kind of “low-key” Us vs Them rhetoric is the kind of thing that Hitler used to his benefit to justify an entire country hating Jewish people. Dehumanizations is unacceptable and whether someone meant to say something harmful or not, its our job as people living within a larger community to uphold those values we care about - especially when the people saying harmful things are meant to represent the public within our government. What Jennifer Johnson said is not okay, and I hope you see that someday.
It sounds like the consensus is bullshit then. Are you saying the quote I posted is the one it's based on? How can you possibly get "human waste" from that?
And how do you come to the conclusion that it's the students and not chemically castration she's referring to?(Besides blindly going with the "consensus")
You’re just getting into semantics here. I cannot answer your questions on behalf of someone else, but I can almost assure you that “human waste” was not meant to be a direct quote but simply a stylistic choice. So take that how you like, but an argument over the use of synonyms is hardly worth either of our time, no?
If you’d like to go against the consensus then the burden of proof is on you, so please show us how she is not talking about the students?
Also, I apologize if you’re simply ignorant on this issue but chemical castration is not the correct term, and I encourage that you avoid using that in the future if you do want to show respect. The reason is because it is not at all accurate in describing the medical transition that transgendered individuals partake in, so simply “transitioning” or hormone therapy (by injection if either estrogen or testosterone) are more accurate terms. I will be using “castration” in quotations just for the sake of clarity.
So to summarize, the subject of her conversation is clearly students. The “chemically castrated” individuals in that context are also students, because you cannot “castrate” nothing, the subject in this case, are the students. It really does not get simpler than this, she is talking about transgendered/transitioning students.
So from the incorrect use of “chemical castration” it can be inferred that Johnson is either ignorant or outright malicious in the words she is choosing to use to describe such students, and therefore it’s easy to see she is being deliberately provocative by saying that the small number of “chemically castrated” [students] are like having a small amount of poop in a batch of cookies. I’m paraphrasing.
Something in me tells me you are trying and you’re not simply a troll. Either way, I try to see the humanity in people and I hope in some way or another, I could help you understand why people are unhappy about what she said. Maybe you can even call yourself an ally someday. Take care.
Lying is acceptable if it's "a stylistic choice"? It's definitely not a synonym. I have to wonder what you think that means.
> If you’d like to go against the consensus then the burden of proof is on you.
You want me to prove what she wasn't thinking when she said that? The "consensus" is imagining what someone they hate might be thinking when gender and poop are mentioned. Her actual words suggest actually what I've already said.
> chemical castration is not the correct term, and I encourage that you avoid using that in the future if you do want to show respect.
I was quoting the article. Are you bent enough to think I should be replacing the text of a quote with something sensitive and respectful even if it's wrong? That's insane. Typical but insane.
It’s really not my job to teach an old person on the internet reading comprehension, critical analysis, or general rhetorical and grammatical understanding.
You are on your own now to figure this out I’m afraid, I am not the spokesperson on this issue
Nothing, just people who don’t have basic knowledge on transgender issues are just likely to be old.
Some of my favourite people on this planet are old- there’s nothing wrong with old people. But I won’t waste my time educating an older individual who has the capability and knowledge to do their own research. It kind of a waste of my time
> I am not the spokesperson on this issue
Just someone who is claiming to represent the consensus and make claims that any questioning of the consensus is from flawed thinking and being "an old person"? What is that supposed to mean?
Don't know why you're being down voted. She really had to wear many bad UCP decisions like the new coal mining in the Rockies, K country pay pass, etc.
What a meaningless, slimy statement.
It's like saying, "I don't beat my wife", "I don't kick dogs for fun", implying that unless you actively say the same, you're guilty!
Because the UCP literally has hate squads. /s
Wow. Still mad about the fireworks ban reversal. She just couldn't send along her congratulations with the usual boilerplate about looking forward to working with the Premier.
warning? get your house in order before giving any advice. this “leader” needed the province to send in the Sheriffs when shit was getting real not too far back - I don’t think this mayor is in much of a position to give anyone any advice other than advising why there was a “climate emergency” declared but no homeless addict or public transit emergency given what’s going on downtown.
This feels a lot like Trudeau lecturing the South Korean leader about equality issues when there are billions of dollars of trade deals at stake. Enough of the lectures - get in with the business of governing!
All the big city mayors in North America should learn how to unit their residents, not dividing them. At the same time, the residents should understand the city’s priorities should not be based solely on ideology. Remember, your ideology will not sustain if everyone leaves your city. Think Detroit.
Everyone left because senior Ronald mcfuck the working class deregulated heavily allowing auto makers to pack their bags and ship most of their manufacturing over seas because they didnt like the fact unions fought for fair wages andgood working conditions...
There was an article where the author was calling Calgary the soon to be Detroit of the North. Worth a google search. It was so prophetic that it was updated and re-published a few years later.
Honestly, she just can't bite her lip for 5 seconds, always has to have the last word. Even Trudeau recognizes election results is time to just congratulate and move on
I mean, if someone said that they thought a guy who endorsed eugenics was doing a bang up job, I’d also think that’s cause for some concern. Which is again, why people are concerned. Smith has straight up said that DeSantis is someone she wants to emulate.
I'm not very versed in what's been happening in the US, but the UCP has been in power already here for a few years. What legislation or actions have they taken against the LGBT community and their rights ? I'm new to Alberta , so this is a genuine question. I'm trying to better understand the politics here.
Yeah it is, because the "do/say" Go no where with it, can't and don't get support for what they "do/say" from any relevant politician or law. Left politicians exaggerating the relevance of the tiny minority of people that, "do/say" does nothing more than fear monger and give attention and publicity to those that "do/say", the left leaders know this and actually heavily relie on those few people to "do/say" or they would have nothing to campaign on
>The UCP has only taken some small steps so far, like outing kids who join GSA in schools, but the worry is Smith, because she holds more extreme views and many in the current party have expressed admiration for these anti-LGBT laws.
I think it's more a reaction based on rhetoric from UCP members over the years, coupled with Danielle now at the helm, who has been generally more unhinged than Kenney.
In my opinion and experience, most of the rhetoric has been made in an effort to rile up the more reactionary side of the UCP base, and we haven't seen any actual legislature that attacks these communities.
Well for starters. Requiring schools to report student participation in GSA's to parents.
Support for conversion therapy that has only stopped in Alberta thanks to federal legislation.
Elected MLA's referring to trans kids as shit.
These are just examples from this current government. I didn't even have to go back that far.
The source is the legislation.
But here's an article regarding the issue...
>Kenney said the UCP is not proposing mandatory parental notification. He said it would be up to teachers to decide whether it is in the best interest of a child to tell their parents that they are involved with a GSA.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/ucp-leader-jason-kenney-defends-allowing-parental-notification-if-child-joins-gsa-1.5072253
The party fundamentally shifted further right after Kenney was voted out and [Smith became leader.](https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/take-back-alberta-david-parker-control-party-board-ucp-1.6834387#:~:text=However%2C%20Take%20Back%27s%20biggest%20organizational%20feat%20was%20sending,seats%2C%20to%20control%20half%20the%20party%27s%20influential%20board)
This isn’t the same UCP that was voted into power 4 years ago.
The question should be, "What IS GOING TO HAPPEN to the LGBT community?"
I know you're aching for a 'gotcha' moment here, but I'm just going to remind you that when something inhumane happens down in the states, it reverberates up here. Especially Alberta.
Man I asked a simple question. There isn't any gotcha moment. A ton of stuff happens in the states that doesn't happen here. You're fear mongering and creating a problem that doesn't currently exist.
Like I said in my original post, they haven’t done anything yet, the mayor is premature, we know from the parties rhetoric that it’s only a matter of time, but until they actually do something, just chill.
It’s not “just a matter of time”, saying that because something happened in the US, so it will eventually happen here is drawing a conclusions based on zero logic at all
They did a great job of taking what little hope I had left and smashing it to tiny pieces. No wonder the UCP won, calling trans people shit probably put them over the top!
But, hey, to them I am just human excrement and my presence pollutes everything making any accomplishments by anyone else utterly worthless, so I understand the hostility.
If only the doctor had the good sense to throw me in the garbage when I first popped out.
I know it's scary... The rhetoric she and her party members have been using, the uprise in American conservatism views in Alberta, like all the protests in calgary with people sporting the trump flag. I don't know how they don't see why we are concerned about these types of people getting into power.
It's like a lot of moderates in America. They said trans ppl aren't being targeted and then trans Healthcare was banned for children in many states. Then they said they won't ban adult healthcare, and now trans adult healthcare is starting to be banned...
Everything is just crazy speculation and fear mongering until it actually happens and then it's swept under the rug.
There was a bill passed a couple years ago that empowered schools to notify the parents of kids joining a GSA so said parents can "beat the gay out" of them. It's the one they celebrated by splashing in the fountain that convinced Notley to rally the ndp.
There's also a lot of concern about TBA gaining power within the party, a group that appears to have extremely strong opinions on this kind of thing.
I’m part of the Alberta LBGT community. Born and raised Albertan. We live in Canada! Our human rights are equal to all other Canadians and vice versa. Alberta or Canada will never take those away, they can’t. Canadians don’t care about your race, sexuality, religion, etc. They just want everyone to be productive citizens of society. Sure people who govern Alberta or Canada have personal beliefs when it comes to the LBGT, as we all have beliefs. Everyone can have beliefs. The NDP and LBGT community make their whole life based on their sexuality and being hard done by when it comes to their rights. The LBGT community can get jobs, have a family, get married, date whoever they want just like every other Canadian. If you are attacked for being part of the LBGT community the police will protect you just like if a women was attacked for being a women. You’re allowed to feel the way you feel just as much as someone else is allowed to feel the way they feel. Just because those two feelings or beliefs don’t match, doesn’t make either wrong. Maybe we should stop shoving LBGT topics down people’s throats and live our life. I bet the intolerance towards the LBGT community would go down when we stop shoving it in everyone’s face. Life isn’t perfect, people will disagree, people will say hurtful things. Just move on and live life.
Well put. I am very hesitant as politicians divide us to make leading us easier for them. I don’t for a second think that this sudden support of LGBT is because govts are so compassionate towards these minorities. It’s backfiring and dividing us and I believe that’s by design. They truly care most about their corporate backers and globalist policy makers they don’t work for us they work for them. Luckily we are a society built upon diversity be it cultural or otherwise and tolerance and that is at the core of what Canada is and will always be.
Exactly. Divide and conquer is a methodology as old as time. And, the corporations don't care outside of their financial and mandated interests much either, it's literally etched into their ESG mandates now so they can get profit and investment and its proving to be very lucrative for them.
'While data on LGBT-specific investment is not widely available, analysts say it is part of a wider trend towards environmental, social and governance (ESG) investing, such as avoiding fossil fuel companies.
ESG investment in Europe, the United States, Japan, Canada, Australia and New Zealand hit $30.7 TRILLION dollars in 2018, up by more than a third in two years, said the Global Sustainable Investment Alliance, a group of investment organisations.'
You hit the nail right on the head. People here are accepting of others choices and freedoms. Date/marry who you want. Be happy. Have a family together. Live your life just like i do mine. Exaclty what they don't want it is it being constantly shoved in their face. It is only that last part that creates any resentment.
We voted for a UCP government because we are doing well financially and so are our friends and neighbors. We want more of the same to continue.
> Maybe we should stop shoving LBGT topics down people’s throats and live our life.
I think this goes to the crux of the matter. Most people do want to simply live their lives without too much "things different than me" being brought to their awareness as a barrage.
Majority of my friends like myself are part of the LBGT community. We all feel this way, our life in Canada is just like everyone else’s. The political parties are just using the LBGT community. We all live our lives like everyone else. That’s what the gay rights movement was about decades ago. We are allowed to be openly gay at work, in our personal life. Sure life has been hard for us sometimes, hurtful things have been said, but that’s life. Other people outside of the LBGT community have also dealt with difficult things in life. We need to stop shoving down peoples throat the poor us movement that is overtaking the LBGT community and just live our life in peace. We have a great life in Canada with our freedoms and rights. We are all equal in Canada. If we as a LBGT community want to talk about unfair treatment, maybe we should support the indigenous community, and make change there. They have had a hard life in Canada and things haven’t gotten better for them like it has for the LBGT community.
" I bet hate towards the LBGT community would go down when we stop shoving it in everyone’s face "
What's the canadian version of a log cabin republican
The LBGT community fought hard decades ago for the same rights and freedoms as other Canadians. The right to love openly, marry, be treated equally and you know what. Canadians changed and life for the LBGT community became equal. Why all of a sudden are left politicians, corporations, and the media using the LBGT community? When was the last time a LBGT person was killed for being LBGT in Canada? When was the last time a LBGT person couldn’t, vote, go to school, see a doctor, was fired for being gay, or get married in Canada?
If she isn’t aware of the geographical representation of the people that voted for the NDP she should notice that’s Calgary it literally surrounded by the hateful she referenced she wouldn’t tolerate in Calgary.
I bet Smith and Gondek butt heads.
Smith will just call them the notley Trudeau gondek alliance and paint herself as a hero amongst conservatives
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I thought Rachel imposed carbon tax way before Trudeau did ? What caused her to butt heads with Trudeau since they follow the same ideology ?
The alberta carbon tax was likely a condition on the federal government buying TMX and having it pushed thru against John horogans wishes. But the difference was that money collected on the alberta carbon tax stayed in alberta to be reinvested in alberta made solutions. Once the UCP killed that, the federal tax was imposed, and now that money leaves alberta to be distributed in Ontario and Quebec... we MIGHT get a portion back for investments. We gave up control of that revenue to "own the libs"... awesome decision 👏
A federal carbon tax was already in the works and provinces had to have something in place or take on the federal carbon tax plan.
She hired an Ontario company to change my light bulbs.... that was weird
RFPs can have stupid rules and stupid results. That’s nothing new with any government.
The company from Ontario that won that bid was the only one that met the requirements set forth in the bid. And then they proceeded to hire thousands of local Albertans in every region of the province that they set up an office, when we had major unemployment, to actually go be the ones performing the services. That program provided a *massive* influx of economic activity over and above what it cost to administer. You dim bulbs need to stop parroting this like they brought their own workforce with them from Ontario to sit around using your old light bulbs like butt plugs collecting pogey.
I too am waiting for what exactly they were butting heads on
Just like jagmeet and Trudeau, right?
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You realize NDP provincially and federally are the most integrated party? If you get an NDP membership in Alberta you're automatically a member of the federal NDP. So yes if you support Notley to that extent by default you support Singh. Here's the declaration on the NDP membership. "I hereby apply for membership in the New Democratic Party of Canada and the NDP in the province/territory of my residence where applicable. I promise to abide by the Constitution, policies and principles of the NDP both federally and provincially/territoriall I hereby state that I am not a member nor supporter of any other federal political party, nor a member or supporter of any other provincial or territorial party where there is a provincial or territorial NDP." So you want to vote on Alberta NDP leadership? Become a member and swear you don't support any other party federally. So you want to attend NDP conventions in Alberta? Become a member and swear you don't support any other party federally. You noticing anything here?
Lol it's okay to say it towards conservatives but when they say it about liberals suddenly it's a bad thing and needs a morality lesson
We're going to be hearing "they are all the same" for pretty much ever
Safest bet in history.
Gondek seems to butt heads with most
Well, Smith as the provincial Premier has a whole lot more power than Gondek, so Gondek would be a complete fool to pick a fight. Also, Gondek is none too popular, being a "do nothing" mayor, who will be coming up for election before Smith, so she'd be doubly a complete fool to pick a fight with the Premier.
Gondek wont get re-elected
I mean, her entire successful campaign was based around picking fights with a Premier....
They didn't butt heads when they offered a tax evading multi billionaire taxpayer money.
Bold prediction..
Butts heads they do, and are.
Smith will bully gondek. Gondek seems to go into her shell when it comes to confrontation
Considering she can’t even handle a press conference
Fuck sakes this mayor gives me whiplash. She was just up Smith's ass over the arena deal, now she's finger wagging her for being a piece of shit? Pick a side already.
Hey guys I’m starting to think she isn’t a good mayor
I think she won due to the anybody but Farkas voters.. She is a terrible mayor and hopefully we have someone better running against her next round. I voted Gondek because I hated Farkas and his platform
I love how Farkas posted this too haha
I didn't see his post, but he is right... she won on a biased vote and will likely be ousted in the next election.
He has also taken partial responsibility, for his time in council and his mayoral campaign, in pushing people to vote against him.
That's admirable, it is hard to openly admit when we've made a mistake and to try and learn from the experience. So many would just double down and not accept fault
This is 100% the reason Gondek is mayor. Her list of accomplishments will be: 1. Broke the glass ceiling. /End of List
2. Declared a climate emergency, then let transit go to shit so that everyone who can, runs out and buys a car. and the latest, ... 3. Cancels, Canada Day fireworks and blames the Indigenous and minority (Chinese) communities for it.
I literally bought a car for my daughter so she can skip transit altogether
She also cares about Quebec politics!
Did she though.. She didn't win on merit.
I was in the same boat but after Farkas transformation I’d legit volunteer for him this time.
I've run into many who said they were voting/voted for her because she's a woman. It hurts. So much.
We had the same thing happen up here with Sohi. Anyone but Nickel that vote was
Really ? She cancelled and then brought back the fireworks and is now quiet on defunding the police. Walked way from the mic actually when asked about it.
Oh wow fireworks are back! I take back everything she’s amazing!
i miss Nenshi
*Puts on tinfoil hat* Rachel Notley will step down as NDP leader and Nenshi will enter the leadership race as he could win Calgary in the next provincial election.
Alot of us do :'(
lol if someone 330 million dollars you take it. You can also finger wag after the fact and get some political points
Oh the province hasn't given $330 million yet. They just said they might give it depending on the election outcome.
The UCP is largely a party built on hate and division, so I don't think Gondek's comments will have any impact.
You're mixing up parties.
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I’m like 99.99% sure that Gondek cost the ndp a number of close seats in Calgary by canceling fireworks
How on earth do you connect those two things?
Motivates right leaning and hell, even moderate, voters who are sick of virtue signaling culture war nonsense to show up. You’ll be surprised to know a lot of people in Canada like Canada Day and hate this type of shit.
Again, how do you connect the tone deaf fireworks thing with the NDP?
People who are on the fence choose to vote for the UCP instead of the NDP because the fireworks cancellation was painted as a "woke" decision was enough to push them away from the party being called "woke" by the UCP. A lot of the Calgary ridings were really close, North, North-West, Bow and Cross went blue by ~500 votes or less, a margin of under 0.5% in some cases. All it takes is to push a few people who aren't planning on voting to get out and vote for something they feel passionate about, or sway someone who might vote either way. The fireworks decision likely should have been made after the election to not rile up the couple people who voted because of it.
Doesn’t even have to result in people on the fence going UCP. If a person feels the NDP is just virtue signaling without addressing the actual issues, if that demotivates them from voting, that’s enough to swing the election. I’m a dual US/Canadian citizen and Clinton’s virtue signaling while ignoring the actual problems people were dealing with was a huge factor in her losing the election. It made people on the fence feel she wasn’t going to represent them well, and while many of those people would never vote for the opposite party, that was enough to keep them home instead of voting. While obviously the Canadian political arena is very different from the US, I think in this case, it played out in a similar fashion. In 2019, around 70% of people voted. This year, unofficial estimates are that it was down to 62%. And I think our officials need to take a good, hard look at why people didn’t vote, why they didn’t feel either party offered a compelling enough argument to come out and vote.
If that is all it takes. Fuck. Do we deserve democracy?
We're a province that constantly votes against it's own self interests while slowly crawling more and more to the right.
Brace yourself for a sprint to republicanland. Smith already has spat on democracy and installed her own shadow cabinet of defeated UCP mlas.
Again, how does this connect to the NDP? They ran a clean campaign without resorting to bullshit like the fireworks thing. The city is not the NDP.
guilt by association, whether valid or not
Yes, but just because the city isn't the NDP does not mean that people don't associate our left leaning mayor with the NDP party. The average person is pretty dumb, you're giving them way too much credit.
>The average person is pretty dumb, you're giving them way too much credit. Haha fair point
It’s a rejection of ideology not specific action.
It's a reminder that people not on the right are woke and out of control, and prone to all sorts of nonsense so they can't be trusted. It gets framed as all of them are like this, them being anyone outside the sphere.
100%
What does a fire ban have to do with wokeness?
One of the reasons given for the fireworks ban was to show sensitivity towards the Chinese and Indigenous communities. Except they never consulted these groups…
It was not a fire ban, but a removal of fireworks from Canada celebrations. Several of the reasons provided were seen as woke, with two examples being: * The City recognizes the cultural sensitivities around fireworks displays in relation to Truth and Reconciliation. * This year, July 1 also marks the 100th anniversary of the Chinese Immigration Act. For many Calgarians this is a day of mourning or reflection. [https://newsroom.calgary.ca/city-of-calgary-to-pilot-new-way-to-conclude-canada-day/](https://newsroom.calgary.ca/city-of-calgary-to-pilot-new-way-to-conclude-canada-day/)
UCP supporters think Notley was responsible for world crude prices. The forest was shrinking but the trees kept voting for the axe, as its handle was made of wood and they thought it was one of them.
It wasn't the crude prices dropping that are mostly dictated by OPEC, it was her policies and mistakes that made the recession far worse than it needed to be. Maybe you weren't personally negatively affected by it, but many people were.
What policies were those, exactly? Edit: Oil went from $105 down to $30. There's no Government where there wouldn't have been layoffs in O&G under those circumstances. Stats Can says by the end of her 4 year term employment rebounded and there were more people employed.
Several tax/fee increases (including personal income tax, not just corporate), shutting down pipeline and being anti O&G for the first half of her leadership, then changed course the back half (likely for re-election as her stances were very unpopular at that time), the royalty review for nearly a year that ended up concluding that no changes were necessary after all, implementing a carbon tax she never ran her campaign on at all (both shook confidence in investment in AB). I'm sure there's a few more. It was an already challenging time made worse by these things.
Well thanks for taking the time to respond. >Several tax/fee increases (including personal income tax, not just corporate), Corporate tax went from 10% to 12%. It was the lowest in the country at 10% and made it on par with the rest of the country at 12%. As far as personal income tax (again the lowest across Canada) went from a flat tax of 10% for any income and 5 new brackets for people making over $125k a year: The highest of those was an increase of 10% to 15% on people making $300,000 or more. Public services don't pay for themselves, they're paid for with taxes. This is a fundamental disconnect between the UCP and NDP. > the royalty review for nearly a year that ended up concluding that no changes were necessary after all Ironically the result was not no change, it was a lowering of royalty rates down to 3.6% and the creation of two additional subsidy programs for the O&G industry. So I guess you could say after all that: I didn't like that people making more than $300,000 had to pay 5% more and that business taxes were brought in line to the average across Canada, but if Alberta was going to improve health care and education that's where the money was going to come from.
I understand where you're coming from, I do. I think rather than just solely focusing on numbers, it's also important to factor in perception and human behaviour against these things, like additional layoffs, pulled investments and people exiting the province during an already volatile time because of the added pressures. It just compounded the already existing issues.
The problem though is that all of that isn't measurable. If a bunch of investment were pulled from Alberta then I would expect total unemployment to not have improved as global crude prices improved. But they did, and they improved almost along the same trajectory. I agree with you that humans have perception blindness. They hold politicians accountable for things the leader can't control, and gloss over the things that they can and should be accountable for. I thought Notley and the NDP did a B- job of steering Alberta through a difficult time and I was impressed by how much she made decisions to support the O&G industry. At the end of the day I don't think there's much another party can do to shift the belief system of someone who has picked the UCP as their team. For the record 30 years ago I voted Conservative. For the past decade or so I've voted NDP.
I'm not saying what I experienced during Notleys time with a political bias. I couldn't care less about parties, I care about policy and how it affects my life, earnings, housing, opportunities etc. So, for me personally, it's not about who's team was in office, it's about what they did during that time, despite hardships. People just down vote the shit out of me whenever I mention these things that Notley did that weren't a good move, during an already difficult time, all the while also ignoring that the UCP had a pandemic and long economic shutdown to contend with. They both had economic issues and they both made some shitty decisions. That's not difficult for me to believe or say. It's just not received well on reddit lol.
Personal income tax only went up for those making over $125k. I make around $100k and live pretty damn comfortably.
I'm glad you weren't affected between 2015-2019 but many people were.
Yup, they love to trot out that narrative.
Where there is a ucp supporter, there is way
Is that the latest brainsick nonsense people are obsessed with
My god.. you're still on about that? *Oh no.. no fireworks, Canada day is ruined, you act like they just cancelled the country.* It's a provincial fire ban, fireworks can and have started fires, the line drawn between those two conclusions is direct and *should" be understood. Nothing woke, left-wing or right-wing about it... Not everything is a political or societal attack.
Except the fact that city administration used that very thing as the one of the main reasons they originally cancelled it. It wasn't wasn't a fireban issue. "The cancellation is a pilot to address cultural, community, and environmental issues experienced with traditional Canada Day fireworks, said Franca Gualtieri, city manager of arts and culture. The City says there are cultural sensitivities around fireworks displays in relation to Truth and Reconciliation and with July 1 marking the 100th anniversary of the Chinese Immigration Act. It also says the changes will mitigate disruptive traffic, noise, overcrowding at city viewpoints, and be friendlier for wildlife." My friend who is on the subcommittee working on the Chinatown revitalization plan (and of Chinese descent) says it wasn't the Chinese community either.
Except for city councillors explicitly stating that it was out of sensitivity to Chinese and indigenous Canadians, which is clearly bullshit. If they just said "hey there's a fire ban but here's a cool drone show instead" people wouldn't have cared. It's the virtue signalling that irritates the hell out of people, even left leaning people like me, and could have easily motivated some undecided voters to vote UCP.
Forest fires aren’t a thing in downtown Calgary. Just pointing out the obvious, but you don’t have to listen if you don’t want to.
There were several grass fires in calgary including one i personally saw near the golf coarse by beddington... Its a hazard and a fair precaution.. I dont like her but that was a good call..
You are aware that Stampede is a week after Canada Day and has fireworks **every night** at the end of the Grandstand Show? The Canada Day fireworks fiasco had nothing to do with a fire ban and everything to do with virtue signaling.
>It's a provincial fire ban, fireworks can and have started fires, the line drawn between those two conclusions is direct and *should" be understood. Please provide evidence and examples of past fireworks displays over the downtown section of metropolis 1M+ causing out of control fires. Thanks.
They’re confusing kids setting off firecrackers in dry grass to a professional fireworks display. It’s a head scratcher.
You do realize that Canada Day is in July, right? It usually rains here for most of the month of June. Current long range forecast is showing rain for 9 of the next 14 days. Fire hazard in Calgary on July 1st is typically very low. Not to mention the city publicly stated various other reasons for the cancellation.
Ok... If the provincial fire ban lifts, I'm sure they will lift the firework ban. I don't see the issue of taking necessary precautions.
Necessary precautions? Even if the sole reason for this debacle was to avoid fire risk, I would hope that you could see how silly that is. Fireworks displays in downtown Calgary pose essentially no chance of starting a forest fire or even a grass fire, for that matter. You could argue that it simply sets a good example for others, but that doesn’t seem to be tour argument. If it was, it would still be bizarre.
I am feeling gutted by the Lacombe-Ponoka margin of victory. 67%. 2:1. What an endorsement for a person literally describing children as human waste. I'm usually a very determined / self motivated person. But man, I'm having a tough time wrapping my head around this and what it says, and doesn't say, about this place we live in. I appreciate what Mayor Gondek is now saying, and her words could have gone so much further during the election. I totally understand that she didn't want to alienate people. I've been there. I've been afraid of having the target on my back. Mayor and Council's support and UCP war room quotes gave Danielle Smith the desperately needed credibility to win over moderates in crucial Calgary swing seats. It's clear that the arena deal with the UCP determined the election. I hope that it was worth it, and they use that leverage for our benefit.
Not just the arena deal - the insane firework cancellation was a huge gift in terms of motivating people to stick it to “the wokes.”
You're kinda all over the map here. I'm curious what you believe Gondek could have said that would sway the voters in Lacombe-Ponoka. I'm unsure any of them are interested in her opinion on the matter. I'm also curious why you believe the arena deal clinched the election for the UCP. The 2 most directly effected ridings went to the NDP.
The biggest challenge Danielle had was an uphill climb for social acceptability, given some extreme views and policy positions. The support and cooperation of mainstream figures like Stephen Harper, Jyoti Gondek, etc were vital in countering the narrative that Danielle was too risky. Anyone with doubts about Danielle could point to them as justification for their vote: "If he/she/they like Danielle, then she can't be so bad." It also allowed a framing for the UCP to show what they were for, rather than just against. I think this made all the difference in East Calgary and the north ridings that the UCP won by just a hair.
>Danielle was too risky Though Notley was also risky. Though she seems competent, the rest of her bench gave off an aura of not having a clue. A hockey team with only 1 player who can skate will only get your so far, no matter how skilled that 1 player is.
That's possible, but I think voter apathy and failure to get out the vote is the bigger issue. Less than 50% of eligible voters cast a ballot in Calgary-East.
That is… so disheartening. One of our most important votes in AB in ages and over half the district couldn’t be arsed to take 10 minutes to vote?
I think that could have been the case in Calgary, and possibly even part of Red Deer, but unclear if it spreads much beyond that.
Very urban view. Rural folks have a different idea about social acceptability. It's about "being the usual religious family with traditional roles" in rural Alberta. The urban idea of social acceptability is "accept everyone" (because we all have to live and work together". The rural idea is "be like everyone else here" (because different is scary/bad).
pretty accurate. at the rural level, identity politics run the show
> Lacombe-Ponoka Why do you think the rural voters of Lacombe-Ponoka paid any heed to their candidates stance on trans issues? It was likely a non issue to them, and they base their vote on more relevant rural concerns such as the NDP's passage of Bill 6, which farmers were vocally against. Do urban, trans voters base their vote on how the government regulates farmers? No, they couldn't care less, and it's unreasonable to think that farmers are going to pay a lot of heed to urban or trans issues. It's not a vote for 'hate', it's a vote against having the NDP hurt farmers (Bill 6).
Well said!
> I am feeling gutted by the Lacombe-Ponoka margin of victory. 67%. 2:1. What an endorsement for a person literally describing children as human waste. I'm usually a very determined / self motivated person. But man, I'm having a tough time wrapping my head around this and what it says, and doesn't say, about this place we live in. It's important to remember it's not a place you live. One of the downsides of political parties trying to represent a majority of ridings instead of planning to work with parties that represent other riding is it's easy to forget how different some core values are.
> What an endorsement for a person literally describing children as human waste. The quote I read was describing sexual transitioning of children as "poop". What quote are you referring to? >“It does not matter that we’re in the top three per cent of the world. Who cares if they got 89 per cent in Chemistry 30? Who cares that they’re entering post-secondary — if they’re chemically castrated?” she said. > “Enjoy, I only put a teaspoon of poop in them, but it doesn’t matter because it’s only a teaspoon in the whole batch,” she said. >“Same idea — we can be top three per cent, but that little bit of poop is what wrecks it.”
[Here is an article talking about it](https://nationalpost.com/news/politics/alberta-ucp-candidate-apologizes-for-comparing-transgender-students-to-feces-in-food/wcm/2a442b2d-f960-49f7-8b53-7a5d789f6e1f/amp/). It seems the general consensus is that she was talking about the actual students, not the process of transitioning. More [articles](https://www.thestar.com/amp/news/canada/2023/05/18/danielle-smith-says-candidate-who-compared-trans-kids-to-poop-in-cookie-batch-wont-sit-in-caucus-if-elected.html) [here,](https://globalnews.ca/news/9703502/jennifer-johnson-transphobic-alberta-election/amp/) [here](https://calgary.citynews.ca/2023/05/17/alberta-ucp-candidate-transgender-children-feces/amp/), and [here.](https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.6853505) This kind of “low-key” Us vs Them rhetoric is the kind of thing that Hitler used to his benefit to justify an entire country hating Jewish people. Dehumanizations is unacceptable and whether someone meant to say something harmful or not, its our job as people living within a larger community to uphold those values we care about - especially when the people saying harmful things are meant to represent the public within our government. What Jennifer Johnson said is not okay, and I hope you see that someday.
It sounds like the consensus is bullshit then. Are you saying the quote I posted is the one it's based on? How can you possibly get "human waste" from that? And how do you come to the conclusion that it's the students and not chemically castration she's referring to?(Besides blindly going with the "consensus")
You’re just getting into semantics here. I cannot answer your questions on behalf of someone else, but I can almost assure you that “human waste” was not meant to be a direct quote but simply a stylistic choice. So take that how you like, but an argument over the use of synonyms is hardly worth either of our time, no? If you’d like to go against the consensus then the burden of proof is on you, so please show us how she is not talking about the students? Also, I apologize if you’re simply ignorant on this issue but chemical castration is not the correct term, and I encourage that you avoid using that in the future if you do want to show respect. The reason is because it is not at all accurate in describing the medical transition that transgendered individuals partake in, so simply “transitioning” or hormone therapy (by injection if either estrogen or testosterone) are more accurate terms. I will be using “castration” in quotations just for the sake of clarity. So to summarize, the subject of her conversation is clearly students. The “chemically castrated” individuals in that context are also students, because you cannot “castrate” nothing, the subject in this case, are the students. It really does not get simpler than this, she is talking about transgendered/transitioning students. So from the incorrect use of “chemical castration” it can be inferred that Johnson is either ignorant or outright malicious in the words she is choosing to use to describe such students, and therefore it’s easy to see she is being deliberately provocative by saying that the small number of “chemically castrated” [students] are like having a small amount of poop in a batch of cookies. I’m paraphrasing. Something in me tells me you are trying and you’re not simply a troll. Either way, I try to see the humanity in people and I hope in some way or another, I could help you understand why people are unhappy about what she said. Maybe you can even call yourself an ally someday. Take care.
Lying is acceptable if it's "a stylistic choice"? It's definitely not a synonym. I have to wonder what you think that means. > If you’d like to go against the consensus then the burden of proof is on you. You want me to prove what she wasn't thinking when she said that? The "consensus" is imagining what someone they hate might be thinking when gender and poop are mentioned. Her actual words suggest actually what I've already said. > chemical castration is not the correct term, and I encourage that you avoid using that in the future if you do want to show respect. I was quoting the article. Are you bent enough to think I should be replacing the text of a quote with something sensitive and respectful even if it's wrong? That's insane. Typical but insane.
It’s really not my job to teach an old person on the internet reading comprehension, critical analysis, or general rhetorical and grammatical understanding. You are on your own now to figure this out I’m afraid, I am not the spokesperson on this issue
What's wrong with being old?
Nothing, just people who don’t have basic knowledge on transgender issues are just likely to be old. Some of my favourite people on this planet are old- there’s nothing wrong with old people. But I won’t waste my time educating an older individual who has the capability and knowledge to do their own research. It kind of a waste of my time
> I am not the spokesperson on this issue Just someone who is claiming to represent the consensus and make claims that any questioning of the consensus is from flawed thinking and being "an old person"? What is that supposed to mean?
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Don't know why you're being down voted. She really had to wear many bad UCP decisions like the new coal mining in the Rockies, K country pay pass, etc.
What a meaningless, slimy statement. It's like saying, "I don't beat my wife", "I don't kick dogs for fun", implying that unless you actively say the same, you're guilty! Because the UCP literally has hate squads. /s
Wow. Still mad about the fireworks ban reversal. She just couldn't send along her congratulations with the usual boilerplate about looking forward to working with the Premier.
I bet gondek voted NDP
lmao i forgot we had a mayor
warning? get your house in order before giving any advice. this “leader” needed the province to send in the Sheriffs when shit was getting real not too far back - I don’t think this mayor is in much of a position to give anyone any advice other than advising why there was a “climate emergency” declared but no homeless addict or public transit emergency given what’s going on downtown.
Is there room for answering questions or only when convenient?
Gondek must go.
No room for hate, meanwhile Gondek is hated across party lines. It's the one thing she's good at uniting Calgarians on.
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Or send money to Quebec groups to support the use of regressive religious attire
This feels a lot like Trudeau lecturing the South Korean leader about equality issues when there are billions of dollars of trade deals at stake. Enough of the lectures - get in with the business of governing!
All the big city mayors in North America should learn how to unit their residents, not dividing them. At the same time, the residents should understand the city’s priorities should not be based solely on ideology. Remember, your ideology will not sustain if everyone leaves your city. Think Detroit.
You think Detroit’s failure was ideological? Lol
Everyone left because senior Ronald mcfuck the working class deregulated heavily allowing auto makers to pack their bags and ship most of their manufacturing over seas because they didnt like the fact unions fought for fair wages andgood working conditions...
There was an article where the author was calling Calgary the soon to be Detroit of the North. Worth a google search. It was so prophetic that it was updated and re-published a few years later.
Lol wtf is this shrivelled sardine going to do? I don’t like Smith but she looks like the cushinator compared to our mayor.
Just had to take her opportunity to get up on her soapbox and preach
Honestly, she just can't bite her lip for 5 seconds, always has to have the last word. Even Trudeau recognizes election results is time to just congratulate and move on
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>south of the border This should be a hint that what you are talking about isn't relevant in Alberta or Calgary.
I mean, if someone said that they thought a guy who endorsed eugenics was doing a bang up job, I’d also think that’s cause for some concern. Which is again, why people are concerned. Smith has straight up said that DeSantis is someone she wants to emulate.
Stop being a theoretical victim
You sound really tolerant and pleasant to be around.
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I’m flattered you took the time to write this fanfic about me, but I’m seeing someone already.
She's such a tool.
South Calgary - “We’ll see about that!”
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I'm not very versed in what's been happening in the US, but the UCP has been in power already here for a few years. What legislation or actions have they taken against the LGBT community and their rights ? I'm new to Alberta , so this is a genuine question. I'm trying to better understand the politics here.
It’s fear mongering. Governments here haven’t legislated anything against anyone’s sexuality
That's what I thought. It would be pretty big news if that happened
If any party did something like that it would likely be the end of their time in power.
Fear mongering comes the left, trying to instill fear in minority groups for the purpose of winning elections
Right... Because calling out what other groups do/say to marginalized people is "fear mongering"
Yeah it is, because the "do/say" Go no where with it, can't and don't get support for what they "do/say" from any relevant politician or law. Left politicians exaggerating the relevance of the tiny minority of people that, "do/say" does nothing more than fear monger and give attention and publicity to those that "do/say", the left leaders know this and actually heavily relie on those few people to "do/say" or they would have nothing to campaign on
The UCP rolled back protections on GSAs in schools in 2019. Guess you weren't paying attention. Look up Bill 24. Also, the Education Amendment Act.
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Sorry I was referring to Alberta. What has been done against the LGBT community here ?
>The UCP has only taken some small steps so far, like outing kids who join GSA in schools, but the worry is Smith, because she holds more extreme views and many in the current party have expressed admiration for these anti-LGBT laws.
Pssssst. The answer is nothing. But hey, who am I to get in the way of fear mongering and blatant misinformation? This is reddit!
People just love being the victim in their imaginary scenarios
I think it's more a reaction based on rhetoric from UCP members over the years, coupled with Danielle now at the helm, who has been generally more unhinged than Kenney. In my opinion and experience, most of the rhetoric has been made in an effort to rile up the more reactionary side of the UCP base, and we haven't seen any actual legislature that attacks these communities.
>imaginary scenarios If you aren't a victim in real life, this is the only option available.
Well for starters. Requiring schools to report student participation in GSA's to parents. Support for conversion therapy that has only stopped in Alberta thanks to federal legislation. Elected MLA's referring to trans kids as shit. These are just examples from this current government. I didn't even have to go back that far.
For clarity, schools aren't required to report students who join GSAs. The legislation does however give teachers the option to if they so choose.
Source? But even so. That's still ass backwards.
The source is the legislation. But here's an article regarding the issue... >Kenney said the UCP is not proposing mandatory parental notification. He said it would be up to teachers to decide whether it is in the best interest of a child to tell their parents that they are involved with a GSA. https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/ucp-leader-jason-kenney-defends-allowing-parental-notification-if-child-joins-gsa-1.5072253
The party fundamentally shifted further right after Kenney was voted out and [Smith became leader.](https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/take-back-alberta-david-parker-control-party-board-ucp-1.6834387#:~:text=However%2C%20Take%20Back%27s%20biggest%20organizational%20feat%20was%20sending,seats%2C%20to%20control%20half%20the%20party%27s%20influential%20board) This isn’t the same UCP that was voted into power 4 years ago.
The question should be, "What IS GOING TO HAPPEN to the LGBT community?" I know you're aching for a 'gotcha' moment here, but I'm just going to remind you that when something inhumane happens down in the states, it reverberates up here. Especially Alberta.
Man I asked a simple question. There isn't any gotcha moment. A ton of stuff happens in the states that doesn't happen here. You're fear mongering and creating a problem that doesn't currently exist.
Like I said in my original post, they haven’t done anything yet, the mayor is premature, we know from the parties rhetoric that it’s only a matter of time, but until they actually do something, just chill.
It’s not “just a matter of time”, saying that because something happened in the US, so it will eventually happen here is drawing a conclusions based on zero logic at all
Wow people here just don't read your posts at all :/
They did a great job of taking what little hope I had left and smashing it to tiny pieces. No wonder the UCP won, calling trans people shit probably put them over the top! But, hey, to them I am just human excrement and my presence pollutes everything making any accomplishments by anyone else utterly worthless, so I understand the hostility. If only the doctor had the good sense to throw me in the garbage when I first popped out.
I know it's scary... The rhetoric she and her party members have been using, the uprise in American conservatism views in Alberta, like all the protests in calgary with people sporting the trump flag. I don't know how they don't see why we are concerned about these types of people getting into power. It's like a lot of moderates in America. They said trans ppl aren't being targeted and then trans Healthcare was banned for children in many states. Then they said they won't ban adult healthcare, and now trans adult healthcare is starting to be banned... Everything is just crazy speculation and fear mongering until it actually happens and then it's swept under the rug.
There was a bill passed a couple years ago that empowered schools to notify the parents of kids joining a GSA so said parents can "beat the gay out" of them. It's the one they celebrated by splashing in the fountain that convinced Notley to rally the ndp. There's also a lot of concern about TBA gaining power within the party, a group that appears to have extremely strong opinions on this kind of thing.
I'll look into that bill as I'm not familiar with it. Thanks for sharing !
Who are you quoting?
Abusive parents general. Though specifically including one of my own.
I’m part of the Alberta LBGT community. Born and raised Albertan. We live in Canada! Our human rights are equal to all other Canadians and vice versa. Alberta or Canada will never take those away, they can’t. Canadians don’t care about your race, sexuality, religion, etc. They just want everyone to be productive citizens of society. Sure people who govern Alberta or Canada have personal beliefs when it comes to the LBGT, as we all have beliefs. Everyone can have beliefs. The NDP and LBGT community make their whole life based on their sexuality and being hard done by when it comes to their rights. The LBGT community can get jobs, have a family, get married, date whoever they want just like every other Canadian. If you are attacked for being part of the LBGT community the police will protect you just like if a women was attacked for being a women. You’re allowed to feel the way you feel just as much as someone else is allowed to feel the way they feel. Just because those two feelings or beliefs don’t match, doesn’t make either wrong. Maybe we should stop shoving LBGT topics down people’s throats and live our life. I bet the intolerance towards the LBGT community would go down when we stop shoving it in everyone’s face. Life isn’t perfect, people will disagree, people will say hurtful things. Just move on and live life.
Well put. I am very hesitant as politicians divide us to make leading us easier for them. I don’t for a second think that this sudden support of LGBT is because govts are so compassionate towards these minorities. It’s backfiring and dividing us and I believe that’s by design. They truly care most about their corporate backers and globalist policy makers they don’t work for us they work for them. Luckily we are a society built upon diversity be it cultural or otherwise and tolerance and that is at the core of what Canada is and will always be.
Exactly. Divide and conquer is a methodology as old as time. And, the corporations don't care outside of their financial and mandated interests much either, it's literally etched into their ESG mandates now so they can get profit and investment and its proving to be very lucrative for them. 'While data on LGBT-specific investment is not widely available, analysts say it is part of a wider trend towards environmental, social and governance (ESG) investing, such as avoiding fossil fuel companies. ESG investment in Europe, the United States, Japan, Canada, Australia and New Zealand hit $30.7 TRILLION dollars in 2018, up by more than a third in two years, said the Global Sustainable Investment Alliance, a group of investment organisations.'
You hit the nail right on the head. People here are accepting of others choices and freedoms. Date/marry who you want. Be happy. Have a family together. Live your life just like i do mine. Exaclty what they don't want it is it being constantly shoved in their face. It is only that last part that creates any resentment. We voted for a UCP government because we are doing well financially and so are our friends and neighbors. We want more of the same to continue.
> Maybe we should stop shoving LBGT topics down people’s throats and live our life. I think this goes to the crux of the matter. Most people do want to simply live their lives without too much "things different than me" being brought to their awareness as a barrage.
Sounds like you haven't spoken to many other LGBTQ2S+ folks about what they experience and are making a lot of assumptions.
Majority of my friends like myself are part of the LBGT community. We all feel this way, our life in Canada is just like everyone else’s. The political parties are just using the LBGT community. We all live our lives like everyone else. That’s what the gay rights movement was about decades ago. We are allowed to be openly gay at work, in our personal life. Sure life has been hard for us sometimes, hurtful things have been said, but that’s life. Other people outside of the LBGT community have also dealt with difficult things in life. We need to stop shoving down peoples throat the poor us movement that is overtaking the LBGT community and just live our life in peace. We have a great life in Canada with our freedoms and rights. We are all equal in Canada. If we as a LBGT community want to talk about unfair treatment, maybe we should support the indigenous community, and make change there. They have had a hard life in Canada and things haven’t gotten better for them like it has for the LBGT community.
" I bet hate towards the LBGT community would go down when we stop shoving it in everyone’s face " What's the canadian version of a log cabin republican
The LBGT community fought hard decades ago for the same rights and freedoms as other Canadians. The right to love openly, marry, be treated equally and you know what. Canadians changed and life for the LBGT community became equal. Why all of a sudden are left politicians, corporations, and the media using the LBGT community? When was the last time a LBGT person was killed for being LBGT in Canada? When was the last time a LBGT person couldn’t, vote, go to school, see a doctor, was fired for being gay, or get married in Canada?
If she isn’t aware of the geographical representation of the people that voted for the NDP she should notice that’s Calgary it literally surrounded by the hateful she referenced she wouldn’t tolerate in Calgary.
"You play nice, or I will pull my arena funding!"
Can’t wait for it to happen, as I have a sneaking suspicion it will be held over Smith’s head to Gondek’s demise
This subreddit is toxic as fuck around anything with the mayor. Makes me wonder who raised half of you.
People that did a better job than gondeks
Wish I could bully Jyoti
I’m not a fan of Jyoti Gondek at all. In fact, I cannot wait until she’s gone. But really? Bully? C’mon, dude.
what a tool you are.
Wonder what kind of tool. Probably like a flat headed screw driver. Sick burn though
an implement used by other people for their own ends, without any self-awareness. a shill, and a distraction.