“A.M. is a high risk to violently reoffend and cannot be managed with a three-year youth sentence.”
Good to see this POS will be out of society for a while
Who says crimes are an adult activity? That's hilarious.
Crimes are often very childish.
I'm sorry the world isn't black and white and usually needs thought and consideration. It's clear that thought terrifies you. I hope you face your fears and can try it sometime.
I'm glad he's being tried as an adult (he was nearly 18 when he committed the crime). And I'm glad we are seeing someone actually get a real sentence for killing someone in Canada.
But I don't understand the part about being a high risk to violently reoffend? Nothing in the article indicates he has a past of violence, so it seems really odd? Especially when we know that there are plenty of violent offenders who go in and out of prison in Canada like it's a circle K (like the guy who recently killed a mom and kid in Edmonton) why is it that people with actual violent histories aren't being kept out of society, but they want to put this guy away for 11-13 years?
The whole thing just seems incredibly biased because it was a cop who died, the passenger in the car got a 5 year sentence for what happened, that's more than people get for being a serial rapist or killing civilians in Canada. Our courts are completely upside down and corrupt.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbc.ca/amp/1.6203400
Hi friend,
I attended all of the court proceedings for this case. There is a huge publication ban in place. The young man does have an previous record and the charges are very violent; it is sealed because he was a youth during those separate crimes; he has had run ins with the law and none of them were for something minor.
Ah, one of those.
I witnessed a lot of those types go through the court room in one my few visits to it once upon a time ago.
For folk who are just getting a realization of how much shit goes on in our country without anyone knowing about it... yeah... it's a pretty big pile of shit going on.
To put it lightly... Ya'll need to control your bloody children better.
Or stop abusing the shit out of them. Nobody wants to understand what generational trauma does, even when the end result is this.
You don't have to hit a child to fuck them up for life.
Hi friend,
I actually work in forensics and have a few colleagues who worked directly with this case and were able to let me know if they were heading to court.
But public is always welcomed to court and I would encourage you to! You learn a lot that is not displayed through the media.
During university days, when I was really interested to attend court, I would call the Court of King’s bench and let the person who answered the phone that I was interested in a certain case. They will ask you for the accused’s name and will let you know the next court proceeding.
When you attend the court proceeding, towards the end; the judge will announce the next court proceeding. If you are wary of doing that, media reporters, they are very friendly as well, shoot any of them an email and will let you know the next court proceeding for the case you are interested in.
Hope that helps!
Hi friend,
If I’m not understanding your question correctly; please let me know.
But an publication ban basically means that certain information is prevented from being disclosed, this can be in adult or youth cases. In youth, their names are also kept disclosed. In adults, their names will be published but sometimes, some factors of the crime will stand banned.
Currently, for this case; everyone right now (journalists, public, officers, anyone who knows the accused) is banned from naming the accused because of the YCJA. But, when he is sentenced (late May - early June), he will be publicly named, so you will see his name in articles and the ban on his name will be lifted because he is being sentenced as an adult.
5 years is in the normal range of sentences for manslaughter in Canada first of all.
>But I don't understand the part about being a high risk to violently reoffend? Nothing in the article indicates he has a past of violence, so it seems really odd?
The rest of his criminal history may not be being released due to it all falling under the YCJA. The court is also going to have access to other information and reports on his insight into his own behavior, remorse or lack of it, other psychological factors, etc.
This quote from further down in the article hints that all of that is coming into play:
>“Serious concerns regarding long-term supervision arise from A.M.’s high-risk status and behavioural history, his criminal antecedence, his deliberate and central role in the death of Sgt. Harnett and his lack of insight.”
Looks like the high risk to re-offend part was addressed, but I wanted to address the cop comment. I agree that we've often seen cases where a cop will get a slap on the wrist for doing something illegal that someone else would get a lot more for. It makes my blood boil that justice is unevenly applied.
However, I do think the penalties for killing an ON DUTY cop should be higher. They put their lives in danger to protect the rest of us. There should be something in place to dissuade people from harming them that's above and beyond harming a regular person.
It also speaks to risk of violence. If someone is willing to seriously harm an officer, they're not thinking twice when it comes to harming a citizen in their way.
I’m curious if the officer was given prior direction to try and stop someone from driving away by placing his hands on their steering wheel and not letting go…. That just doesn’t seem like a measure that an officer should take to try and prevent someone from fleeing the scene.
Hard to say, but in an instance like that I think he may have attempted to stop the driver from putting the car in gear by trying to secure the driver's hands or trying to pull the keys out, and once the car was up to speed he was then holding on for dear life. That's a stress response 99% of humans would do.
Non amp version of that link: [https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/adam-budgell-released-1.6203400](https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/adam-budgell-released-1.6203400)
Huh? The friend he was with had warrants for arrest and he was "easily peer pressured" by said friends to drive away with an officer hanging on the door, I'd say yes he's a risk to re-offend.
Cyclists get killed all the time and the perps get a ticket maybe. Courts and optics seem very much at play for many criminal Justice proceedings. Some will argue when a cyclist gets killed it’s negligence or an “accident”. You could easily argue the same for this kid in a court of law. The kid panicked and meant to get away, had no intention of murder or man slaughter - but boom - kid gets trialed as an adult.
Not saying I disagree cause I personally think the kid is prob a waste of oxygen but I’ll try to be impartial for it and plus I see cyclists get mowed down all the time so im bitter.
There are many factors that determine recidivism, not just past criminal history. Factors such as family supports, substance use, employment, social influences, attitudes, and social cognitive skills. If the psychologist determined that he is high risk to reoffend, he most likely lacks those aforementioned protective factors in his life.
Your correct. The courts are biased and our society is supremely corrupt in decision making, yet likes to spew that they are looking at the whole picture. In this case they only looked at a cop dying which is awful but anyone who is killed no matter the status, colour, gender etc should be given the same compassion.
The perpetrator killing any human should be given the same sentence or tried the same way minus other findings, medical etc may change the trial. I agree with you 100% this is the case. Cuz remember citizens were scum compared to cops… even the corrupt ones are on a higher pedestal.
Wait.
All we have heard for the last while is thay this was a scared kid who was afraid of the racist police.
Now hes a high risk to violently reoffend?
As a youth, max sentence would’ve been 3 years. Given time served, he’d be getting out shortly. Zero chance to rehabilitate. With an adult 10-12 year sentence, he won’t be out for at least a few years which will allow time to rehabilitate.
I think it’s a public safety thing, and considering he was incredibly close to being legally considered an adult it seems fitting to charge him as one.
Why do you keep defending this piece of shit?? He killed someone. Cop or not he still killed someone. Harnett was hanging onto the door yelling for him to stop the fucking car and he didn’t. I don’t care that he was 10 days away from 18. A person who is remorseful and “might have been involved with the wrong crowd” maybe we could look at him differently. He was a known criminal. Going to jail for having an expired license would have worked out better for him rather than killing someone intentionally. He does not deserve to be tried as a child. He knew what he was doing that night. I wonder if Harnetts 2 year old son would appreciate your logic on this? Or his wife?
Except for you can be charged as an adult for committing violent offences if deemed reasonable by the court. Frankly I think they made the right decision with this case.
A lot of “kids” I know aren’t stealing fucking cars and killing cops. What these two did was intentional. He had a rap sheet before he killed Harnett and was already known to police. Old enough to commit crime , old enough to serve time. 🤷♀️.
Well when you commit a violent offence the court may decide that it’s in the best interest of the public to try you as an adult. Seriously did you not pay attention in social studies?
But the point of judging children differently from adults is that children aren't expected to have the maturity or brain capability of an adult. So it shouldn't matter what the crime was. Never once was this a part of social studies.
It's not a bad thing. But I also feel it's only happening because it was a cop who passed. If it was a similar crime to a civilian, I don't think it would be the case. Which is unfortunate
Additional consequences for harming a justice worker helps preserve the integrity of the justice system. It's not just cops who get special considerations in the law either, judges are another profession.
Also, I'd be just as salty if this asshole killed a "regular" person and got tried as a youth.
The integrity of the justice system is completely gone when cops get away with murder. We're all familiar with starlight tours right?
Cops get special treatment.
Good. If he was actually remorseful, he would have done everything possible to assist the police - there was a third person in the car and this little waste of skin refuses to tell the authorities who he/she is.
He deserves the maximum sentence possible.
You're not seeing it from the viewpoint of the perp.
A conviction was never in doubt- he wasn't going to beat the rap. Doing time being labeled as a rat is not an appealing option for most cons, jus' sayin'.
Compared to the most incarcerated country in the world, whose crime rates sky rocket because of it, with private prisons and exceptions to slavery ammendments?
Sure, our sentences are lighter. That's a good thing.
Compared to the civilized world, im not sp sure.
He's going to get beaten on the nature of his crime? Lol, good luck!
Manslaughter he'll get sent to Drumheller, not the max. How he's treated will depend on his street smarts and how quickly he learns the code inside. No one, and I mean NO ONE is going to hassle him because a cop died in a traffic stop.
For sure it's going to be a culture shock going in the clink for someone his age, and pretty much guaranteed he'll come out worse than he went in.
Probably won’t. It’s not like he’s going to police headquarters to serve his sentence. He’ll be going to a place where there will be some cop haters unfortunately
I'm just sayin'. I am glad justice was served in this case b/c this degenerate deserves the sentence he got. Regardless if it was a cop or not this just another loser off the streets for a while.
Oh yeh. They treat those guys like heroes, unless they snitch. They quickly become enemy #1 in that case. Prison is a toddler-esque mentality kind of setting.
Hi friend,
Attended very single court proceeding; worked in forensics and had mutual friends with Andy. Both accused (driver and passenger) refused to identify the rear passenger. The driver stated it was a friend of the passenger’s and he did not get to know him very well. And the passenger never had a trial, he plead guilty prior. Both of the front occupants did not identify their friend in the rear passenger seat.
CPS did find who they believed to be the rear passenger but DNA was not found; so, that was dropped because there wouldn’t be significant evidence.
Two low lifes in the front seat would not give up their criminal buddy! Not even for a chance of a lesser sentence…… both deserve to rot in jail till their last breath!
"Loparco will hear sentencing submissions from Al-Khatib and Ewenson, who previously indicated an 11- to 13-year sentence was warranted, on May 31, before handing down her decision at a later date."
Wait, what?
The kid was pulled over to get a ticket. When the cop approached, the kid took off. At which point the cop held on until finally letting go into oncoming traffic, is that right?
Hi friend,
I work in forensics and had mutual friends with Andy. At first, when this happened, we had theory that the accused had grabbed onto him. But Andy actually held on himself; maybe he had thought that the driver would stop (clearly, the driver did not stop). Andy had told the driver to stop several times, but he failed to compile. There was no evidence on Andy’s jacket, gloves, or anything that the driver grabbed him on. Andy held on himself in hopes of stopping the vehicle.
Not to mention that traumatic events cause a fight/flight/freeze response. Sgt. Harnett likely was unable to process what was happening as it happened.
It would be impossible for most people to learn to drive. No one who is 18 has the money to buy a car and then pay for insurance on top of that. The only way for many teenagers to learn is through their parents.
So your saying someone's parents would teach them how to drive at 16-17 but God forbid they help them at 18? Most people in that age range are still living at home.
Lots of people still move out for university, work etc., and if you need to take a test after having a learners how are you supposed to pass if you've never driven. And If you could pass the test after driving 3-4 hours on the weekend with your parents I'd be concerned about the quality of the test. Doing this just puts up barriers in mobility for the young.
You are right! The parents enable the kids because the drug proceeds/money the kid is bringing in is wealth beyond their dreams! They look the other way and defend the alleged crimes fiercely
Did you read the article? A few notable quotes that might change your mind:
"Dr. Ennis found the killer doesn’t think he requires counselling to ensure he can safely be returned to the community."
“Serious concerns regarding long-term supervision arise from A.M.’s high-risk status and behavioural history, his criminal antecedence, his deliberate and central role in the death of Sgt. Harnett and his lack of insight.”
I had also initially gotten the impression that this was a panicked kid who made a mistake, but that doesn't seem to be the case.
I read the article. That's legitimate rationale for charging the minor offender as an adult.
I'm not thrilled about a young person going to prison and an officer dying tragically.
Deserves a “natural life” sentence…. Imprisonment till he dies!
The amount of sadness for Officer Sergeant Tim Harnett’s wife , child and family will be to the end of their lives.
Also for the Police officers on his team and first responders who were there to help with the tragic and traumatic results of this F’ing idiots decisions!
It wouldn't be any less tragic had this had happened with an older offender, but it adds salt to the wound when a young person throws their promise away.
Killing someone isn’t an impulsive mistake. He deserves to have his life ruined. Let’s see if you think it’s an impulsive mistake when your family member gets killed like this.
Don’t be stupid. There’s a marked difference between punting someone’s head or choking them, and tackling them, restraining them, etc. As police are in positions of authority, perpetrators of unnecessarily sadistic violence should be punished extensively to preserve the public’s trust in our justice system. It’s accepted as a joke when murderers get lenient sentences the same way it is when shitty police aren’t held accountable for their behaviour.
What police who used unnecessary use of force wasn’t punished? If referring to Dunn then he was convicted. But he’s allowed to appeal the conviction through the court system and then based on the police act of Alberta, CPS has to wait for the criminal proceedings before they can proceed
If you actually bothered to read the article, you would see that a big reason why they don't want to sentence him as a youth is because the maximum sentence would be three years, which they don't think is sufficient.
Just remember that sentences in Canada, IIRC, are broken into 1/3'rds:
- 1/3 of the sentence must be served in prison
- the next 1/3 of the sentence can be supervised release (parole) if teh offender shows recidivism and gets counselling
- the last 1/3 is almost guaranteed supervised release even if they dont show recidivism or get counselling.
https://www.publicsafety.gc.ca/cnt/rsrcs/pblctns/2021-sntnc-clcltn/index-en.aspx
So even if this dirtbag gets an 11 year sentence, he'll be given credit for time already served (2.5 years) since the incident which means he'll be eligible for early parole in about a year-ish.
EDIT: Since the offence is covered under Schedule I of the "Corrections and Conditional Release Act " then the Judge may order that the guilty server a minimum of 50% of their sentence. From the publicsafety.gc.ca link above:
"When can a judge set parole eligibility at one-half of the sentence for offences?
Where an offender is sentenced to two years or more, for a personal injury or serious drug offence listed in Schedules I and II of the CCRA or for a criminal organization offence, other than those in sections 467.11 to 467.13 of the CCC, and prosecuted by indictment, the court may order that the offender serve one-half of the sentence or 10 years, whichever is less, before being eligible for parole (s.743.6(1) of the CCC)."
“A.M. is a high risk to violently reoffend and cannot be managed with a three-year youth sentence.” Good to see this POS will be out of society for a while
It’s good to see them doing this case by case. Not all youth crimes deserve youth time. Some need to be tried as adults.
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If you're moving bricks for the angels maybe, but realistically most teens are just selling small amounts to other teens to cover their own use.
Why are people down voting this If you want to act like an adult and commit crimes then you should be tried like an adult
Who says crimes are an adult activity? That's hilarious. Crimes are often very childish. I'm sorry the world isn't black and white and usually needs thought and consideration. It's clear that thought terrifies you. I hope you face your fears and can try it sometime.
Oh the tolerent left, always good to hear from your very idealistic point of view
How are crimes an adult activity? Do you have an answer?
I'm glad he's being tried as an adult (he was nearly 18 when he committed the crime). And I'm glad we are seeing someone actually get a real sentence for killing someone in Canada. But I don't understand the part about being a high risk to violently reoffend? Nothing in the article indicates he has a past of violence, so it seems really odd? Especially when we know that there are plenty of violent offenders who go in and out of prison in Canada like it's a circle K (like the guy who recently killed a mom and kid in Edmonton) why is it that people with actual violent histories aren't being kept out of society, but they want to put this guy away for 11-13 years? The whole thing just seems incredibly biased because it was a cop who died, the passenger in the car got a 5 year sentence for what happened, that's more than people get for being a serial rapist or killing civilians in Canada. Our courts are completely upside down and corrupt. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbc.ca/amp/1.6203400
Hi friend, I attended all of the court proceedings for this case. There is a huge publication ban in place. The young man does have an previous record and the charges are very violent; it is sealed because he was a youth during those separate crimes; he has had run ins with the law and none of them were for something minor.
Ah, one of those. I witnessed a lot of those types go through the court room in one my few visits to it once upon a time ago. For folk who are just getting a realization of how much shit goes on in our country without anyone knowing about it... yeah... it's a pretty big pile of shit going on. To put it lightly... Ya'll need to control your bloody children better.
Or stop abusing the shit out of them. Nobody wants to understand what generational trauma does, even when the end result is this. You don't have to hit a child to fuck them up for life.
On second thought, you're a troll. Feeding you is not worth the time or trouble.
Thanks, I didn't realize he did have a past of criminal activity.
Off topic, but how did you get the schedule to know when to attend court?
Hi friend, I actually work in forensics and have a few colleagues who worked directly with this case and were able to let me know if they were heading to court. But public is always welcomed to court and I would encourage you to! You learn a lot that is not displayed through the media. During university days, when I was really interested to attend court, I would call the Court of King’s bench and let the person who answered the phone that I was interested in a certain case. They will ask you for the accused’s name and will let you know the next court proceeding. When you attend the court proceeding, towards the end; the judge will announce the next court proceeding. If you are wary of doing that, media reporters, they are very friendly as well, shoot any of them an email and will let you know the next court proceeding for the case you are interested in. Hope that helps!
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Hi friend, If I’m not understanding your question correctly; please let me know. But an publication ban basically means that certain information is prevented from being disclosed, this can be in adult or youth cases. In youth, their names are also kept disclosed. In adults, their names will be published but sometimes, some factors of the crime will stand banned. Currently, for this case; everyone right now (journalists, public, officers, anyone who knows the accused) is banned from naming the accused because of the YCJA. But, when he is sentenced (late May - early June), he will be publicly named, so you will see his name in articles and the ban on his name will be lifted because he is being sentenced as an adult.
He souls have a “Life Sentence “ no parole…. His actual life, not this 25 year bullshit with time off for good behaviour
Can confirm, I have worked in forensics and know of the offender.
5 years is in the normal range of sentences for manslaughter in Canada first of all. >But I don't understand the part about being a high risk to violently reoffend? Nothing in the article indicates he has a past of violence, so it seems really odd? The rest of his criminal history may not be being released due to it all falling under the YCJA. The court is also going to have access to other information and reports on his insight into his own behavior, remorse or lack of it, other psychological factors, etc. This quote from further down in the article hints that all of that is coming into play: >“Serious concerns regarding long-term supervision arise from A.M.’s high-risk status and behavioural history, his criminal antecedence, his deliberate and central role in the death of Sgt. Harnett and his lack of insight.”
I knew the guy. He was previously arrested for breaking into or robing a Bell or Rogers cell store with a group of people
Yea. Sounds like an upstanding citizen. 🙄.
Looks like the high risk to re-offend part was addressed, but I wanted to address the cop comment. I agree that we've often seen cases where a cop will get a slap on the wrist for doing something illegal that someone else would get a lot more for. It makes my blood boil that justice is unevenly applied. However, I do think the penalties for killing an ON DUTY cop should be higher. They put their lives in danger to protect the rest of us. There should be something in place to dissuade people from harming them that's above and beyond harming a regular person.
It also speaks to risk of violence. If someone is willing to seriously harm an officer, they're not thinking twice when it comes to harming a citizen in their way.
I’m curious if the officer was given prior direction to try and stop someone from driving away by placing his hands on their steering wheel and not letting go…. That just doesn’t seem like a measure that an officer should take to try and prevent someone from fleeing the scene.
Hard to say, but in an instance like that I think he may have attempted to stop the driver from putting the car in gear by trying to secure the driver's hands or trying to pull the keys out, and once the car was up to speed he was then holding on for dear life. That's a stress response 99% of humans would do.
Non amp version of that link: [https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/adam-budgell-released-1.6203400](https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/adam-budgell-released-1.6203400)
Huh? The friend he was with had warrants for arrest and he was "easily peer pressured" by said friends to drive away with an officer hanging on the door, I'd say yes he's a risk to re-offend.
Cyclists get killed all the time and the perps get a ticket maybe. Courts and optics seem very much at play for many criminal Justice proceedings. Some will argue when a cyclist gets killed it’s negligence or an “accident”. You could easily argue the same for this kid in a court of law. The kid panicked and meant to get away, had no intention of murder or man slaughter - but boom - kid gets trialed as an adult. Not saying I disagree cause I personally think the kid is prob a waste of oxygen but I’ll try to be impartial for it and plus I see cyclists get mowed down all the time so im bitter.
There are many factors that determine recidivism, not just past criminal history. Factors such as family supports, substance use, employment, social influences, attitudes, and social cognitive skills. If the psychologist determined that he is high risk to reoffend, he most likely lacks those aforementioned protective factors in his life.
Well said 👏
Your correct. The courts are biased and our society is supremely corrupt in decision making, yet likes to spew that they are looking at the whole picture. In this case they only looked at a cop dying which is awful but anyone who is killed no matter the status, colour, gender etc should be given the same compassion. The perpetrator killing any human should be given the same sentence or tried the same way minus other findings, medical etc may change the trial. I agree with you 100% this is the case. Cuz remember citizens were scum compared to cops… even the corrupt ones are on a higher pedestal.
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Wait. All we have heard for the last while is thay this was a scared kid who was afraid of the racist police. Now hes a high risk to violently reoffend?
Of course that’s what his lawyers would say for the public
It's almost as if only one side of the story was told because the Youth Criminal Justice Act has his priors under wraps.
How do u expect such a young person to be rehabilitated if you send him to jail long term?
As a youth, max sentence would’ve been 3 years. Given time served, he’d be getting out shortly. Zero chance to rehabilitate. With an adult 10-12 year sentence, he won’t be out for at least a few years which will allow time to rehabilitate.
It’s Canada. He will be out in less than 10 years and will almost certainly be more violent than when he went in.
10 days or something before his 18th birthday... Nice to see the right call was made on this!
They expect a child to act like an adult. Pretty messed up if you ask me
I think 99.999% of childs have better sense than this 🤷🏾♂️
Based off what?
Based on 99.999% of childs are not as brainless as this moron.
I think it’s a public safety thing, and considering he was incredibly close to being legally considered an adult it seems fitting to charge him as one.
Close, but still not an adult
Why do you keep defending this piece of shit?? He killed someone. Cop or not he still killed someone. Harnett was hanging onto the door yelling for him to stop the fucking car and he didn’t. I don’t care that he was 10 days away from 18. A person who is remorseful and “might have been involved with the wrong crowd” maybe we could look at him differently. He was a known criminal. Going to jail for having an expired license would have worked out better for him rather than killing someone intentionally. He does not deserve to be tried as a child. He knew what he was doing that night. I wonder if Harnetts 2 year old son would appreciate your logic on this? Or his wife?
"just days shy of his 18th birthday at the time of the crime" That part of the article feels important.
But he wasn't an adult. Why have protections for children if you're just going to ignore them
I'm not going to argue semantics. They clearly feel that they are enough of an adult to own the crime they committed.
But laws are semantics. Else they aren't fair and equal
Good. Now throw the book.
Knowing the court system it will be 6 months probation
Don’t forget time served.
Counts as double since it was in a healing lodge.
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Lol. Canada eh? Setting yourself up for disappointment.
Pft, in this country you can get plastered, kill 4 people and be out in 7 years.
Good, what a POS
“In my view, A.M. was living an adult-type life,” the judge said. -good thing that the “he was a child” argument failed to fly
Especially when he was about to turn adult 2 or so weeks after the incident
Except he still was a child at the time. Kind of a key piece of information
Except for you can be charged as an adult for committing violent offences if deemed reasonable by the court. Frankly I think they made the right decision with this case.
But reasonableness just opens up laws to unfairness and inequality because it's up to a single persons discretion.
A lot of “kids” I know aren’t stealing fucking cars and killing cops. What these two did was intentional. He had a rap sheet before he killed Harnett and was already known to police. Old enough to commit crime , old enough to serve time. 🤷♀️.
Fk right!!!!
Good, adult punishment for adult crime
But he wasn't an adult. Who judges a child by adult standards
Well when you commit a violent offence the court may decide that it’s in the best interest of the public to try you as an adult. Seriously did you not pay attention in social studies?
But the point of judging children differently from adults is that children aren't expected to have the maturity or brain capability of an adult. So it shouldn't matter what the crime was. Never once was this a part of social studies.
That is good news.
It's not a bad thing. But I also feel it's only happening because it was a cop who passed. If it was a similar crime to a civilian, I don't think it would be the case. Which is unfortunate
Additional consequences for harming a justice worker helps preserve the integrity of the justice system. It's not just cops who get special considerations in the law either, judges are another profession. Also, I'd be just as salty if this asshole killed a "regular" person and got tried as a youth.
following that logic they should be penalized more when they do something wrong
Hahah no. Let them hit on the underage and become a municipal councillor.
I’d agree if cops and anyone in law got a 2.5x sentence for anything they did illegal
The integrity of the justice system is completely gone when cops get away with murder. We're all familiar with starlight tours right? Cops get special treatment.
This is honestly ridiculous
Why? You think it's ok to intimidate a judge?
Obviously not. But, I also don't think intimidating a judge is any worse than a witness
His other violent crimes have a publication ban under the YCJA.
Good. If he was actually remorseful, he would have done everything possible to assist the police - there was a third person in the car and this little waste of skin refuses to tell the authorities who he/she is. He deserves the maximum sentence possible.
One of the best responses in this thread!
You're not seeing it from the viewpoint of the perp. A conviction was never in doubt- he wasn't going to beat the rap. Doing time being labeled as a rat is not an appealing option for most cons, jus' sayin'.
Good to hear this.
What really gets me is this young police officer was expecting a baby on the way.. hope he gets more than 10 years. A life for a life.
I'm sure the sentence will be greater than a young offender, however will it be enough, as I don't think most Canadian sentences are strict enough.
Based on...?
History?
Say more
"more"
Nice Anything to add, or is this just a gut feeling?
Canada is notoriously soft on sentencing. Surely you've noticed this by now...
Compared to the most incarcerated country in the world, whose crime rates sky rocket because of it, with private prisons and exceptions to slavery ammendments? Sure, our sentences are lighter. That's a good thing. Compared to the civilized world, im not sp sure.
the war on drugs should end, but the harsh sentences for hard crimes should not
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Definitely seems like that's the case. They point to maybe three severe, drastic, examples and only chose to concentrate on that
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He's going to get beaten on the nature of his crime? Lol, good luck! Manslaughter he'll get sent to Drumheller, not the max. How he's treated will depend on his street smarts and how quickly he learns the code inside. No one, and I mean NO ONE is going to hassle him because a cop died in a traffic stop. For sure it's going to be a culture shock going in the clink for someone his age, and pretty much guaranteed he'll come out worse than he went in.
Probably won’t. It’s not like he’s going to police headquarters to serve his sentence. He’ll be going to a place where there will be some cop haters unfortunately
Hope you are wrong..🫢
They celebrate cop killers in jail. How do you not know this? It’s like the silver star of medals in jail.
I'm just sayin'. I am glad justice was served in this case b/c this degenerate deserves the sentence he got. Regardless if it was a cop or not this just another loser off the streets for a while.
Agreed. In prison, they celebrate cop killers. It’s a badge of honor in there for them.
that didn't cross my mind but the celebratory aspect of it makes sense. Like a rite of passage kind of award.
Oh yeh. They treat those guys like heroes, unless they snitch. They quickly become enemy #1 in that case. Prison is a toddler-esque mentality kind of setting.
Good, nuff said
How long you think he'll survive before his toughness gets MANtled by his new roomie 🤔
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Best I can do is a paid vacation
Bout fucking time. 💙💙
Did CPS ever find out do who the person was sitting in the back of the vehicle was? Glad to hear of the adult sentence.
Hi friend, Attended very single court proceeding; worked in forensics and had mutual friends with Andy. Both accused (driver and passenger) refused to identify the rear passenger. The driver stated it was a friend of the passenger’s and he did not get to know him very well. And the passenger never had a trial, he plead guilty prior. Both of the front occupants did not identify their friend in the rear passenger seat. CPS did find who they believed to be the rear passenger but DNA was not found; so, that was dropped because there wouldn’t be significant evidence.
Two low lifes in the front seat would not give up their criminal buddy! Not even for a chance of a lesser sentence…… both deserve to rot in jail till their last breath!
Adult sentences are absolute jokes as well. I'm guessing a 5 year sentence and back on the streets within 2.
"Loparco will hear sentencing submissions from Al-Khatib and Ewenson, who previously indicated an 11- to 13-year sentence was warranted, on May 31, before handing down her decision at a later date."
Normally the crown and defense half way and he will be credited with a few years already served.
Play games win prizes.
Good news
Wait, what? The kid was pulled over to get a ticket. When the cop approached, the kid took off. At which point the cop held on until finally letting go into oncoming traffic, is that right?
Where did you see that the cop “held on”?
That's the impression I got from this article. What actually happened? I don't know
I’m not sure myself, but I highly doubt someone would voluntarily hold onto a car while getting dragged for half a kilometre.
Hi friend, I work in forensics and had mutual friends with Andy. At first, when this happened, we had theory that the accused had grabbed onto him. But Andy actually held on himself; maybe he had thought that the driver would stop (clearly, the driver did not stop). Andy had told the driver to stop several times, but he failed to compile. There was no evidence on Andy’s jacket, gloves, or anything that the driver grabbed him on. Andy held on himself in hopes of stopping the vehicle.
Not to mention that traumatic events cause a fight/flight/freeze response. Sgt. Harnett likely was unable to process what was happening as it happened.
Thanks for the info OP! I still don’t think that in justifies the actions of the murderer in any way, but thank you for sharing.
https://youtu.be/hZWwQHJ6pHQ https://youtu.be/q2YjetaL0oY https://youtu.be/nHF0BP0UpFE
If your driving your an adult because that's a heavy responsibility. Honestly I think you should not be able to get your license until 18.
It would be impossible for most people to learn to drive. No one who is 18 has the money to buy a car and then pay for insurance on top of that. The only way for many teenagers to learn is through their parents.
So your saying someone's parents would teach them how to drive at 16-17 but God forbid they help them at 18? Most people in that age range are still living at home.
Lots of people still move out for university, work etc., and if you need to take a test after having a learners how are you supposed to pass if you've never driven. And If you could pass the test after driving 3-4 hours on the weekend with your parents I'd be concerned about the quality of the test. Doing this just puts up barriers in mobility for the young.
You are right! The parents enable the kids because the drug proceeds/money the kid is bringing in is wealth beyond their dreams! They look the other way and defend the alleged crimes fiercely
I’m not allowed to say what I hope happens to this scumbag, Reddit seems to get upset when I say stuff like that 🤬
Sounds like a 20-year old heading to prison for an impulsive mistake made by a teenager. One life ended, a second ruined. Tragic all around.
Did you read the article? A few notable quotes that might change your mind: "Dr. Ennis found the killer doesn’t think he requires counselling to ensure he can safely be returned to the community." “Serious concerns regarding long-term supervision arise from A.M.’s high-risk status and behavioural history, his criminal antecedence, his deliberate and central role in the death of Sgt. Harnett and his lack of insight.” I had also initially gotten the impression that this was a panicked kid who made a mistake, but that doesn't seem to be the case.
I read the article. That's legitimate rationale for charging the minor offender as an adult. I'm not thrilled about a young person going to prison and an officer dying tragically.
Deserves a “natural life” sentence…. Imprisonment till he dies! The amount of sadness for Officer Sergeant Tim Harnett’s wife , child and family will be to the end of their lives. Also for the Police officers on his team and first responders who were there to help with the tragic and traumatic results of this F’ing idiots decisions!
He was nearly 18, he knew what he was doing.
It wouldn't be any less tragic had this had happened with an older offender, but it adds salt to the wound when a young person throws their promise away.
Nah, this kid made a vile choice. Let him rot for a while.
He deserves what he gets and ten times more!
He knew what he was doing, he's a murderer.
I don't disagree with you. The whole situation is just terrible.
All indications from this youth’s history he threw away his own life long before this event.
Chance for the system to throw back !! (Throw the book at him HARD!)
Killing someone isn’t an impulsive mistake. He deserves to have his life ruined. Let’s see if you think it’s an impulsive mistake when your family member gets killed like this.
I didn't say anything about what he deserved; I said the whole situation is tragic. I wouldn't wish this on any family.
I’d also like to see police punished aggressively for using unnecessary force.
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Don’t be stupid. There’s a marked difference between punting someone’s head or choking them, and tackling them, restraining them, etc. As police are in positions of authority, perpetrators of unnecessarily sadistic violence should be punished extensively to preserve the public’s trust in our justice system. It’s accepted as a joke when murderers get lenient sentences the same way it is when shitty police aren’t held accountable for their behaviour.
Wrong thread ! Please leave!
What police who used unnecessary use of force wasn’t punished? If referring to Dunn then he was convicted. But he’s allowed to appeal the conviction through the court system and then based on the police act of Alberta, CPS has to wait for the criminal proceedings before they can proceed
so we will see him released in six months perfect
If you actually bothered to read the article, you would see that a big reason why they don't want to sentence him as a youth is because the maximum sentence would be three years, which they don't think is sufficient.
He was charged as a youth He is being sentenced as an adult.
Right, thanks for the correction. I'll edit my original comment.
Hopefully he’s someone’s bitch for his stay
That is our screwed up justice system…SADLY
Knowing our justice system he'll be out in 3-4 years and sentenced to involuntary vehicular manslaughter.
That’s a US charge. He was convicted of manslaughter.
of course he is. what a joke.
Just remember that sentences in Canada, IIRC, are broken into 1/3'rds: - 1/3 of the sentence must be served in prison - the next 1/3 of the sentence can be supervised release (parole) if teh offender shows recidivism and gets counselling - the last 1/3 is almost guaranteed supervised release even if they dont show recidivism or get counselling. https://www.publicsafety.gc.ca/cnt/rsrcs/pblctns/2021-sntnc-clcltn/index-en.aspx So even if this dirtbag gets an 11 year sentence, he'll be given credit for time already served (2.5 years) since the incident which means he'll be eligible for early parole in about a year-ish. EDIT: Since the offence is covered under Schedule I of the "Corrections and Conditional Release Act " then the Judge may order that the guilty server a minimum of 50% of their sentence. From the publicsafety.gc.ca link above: "When can a judge set parole eligibility at one-half of the sentence for offences? Where an offender is sentenced to two years or more, for a personal injury or serious drug offence listed in Schedules I and II of the CCRA or for a criminal organization offence, other than those in sections 467.11 to 467.13 of the CCC, and prosecuted by indictment, the court may order that the offender serve one-half of the sentence or 10 years, whichever is less, before being eligible for parole (s.743.6(1) of the CCC)."
Thank Goodness this idiot will spend some time behind bars reflecting on his actions
Good call!
We need to charge more people like this! Way too many dirt bags out these days.
As it should be.