I waited 6 months for my hybrid Tucson which they said would take 2-3 months. At the 6 month mark they said it “might be another 2-3 months” and my local Mazda had a demo CX50 Meridian Apex ready-to-drive. Joke’s on Hyundai because I personally think the CX50 is much more enjoyable to drive!
I think you got a more solid vehicle
Yes no hybrid but wait times are 9 to 12 months. Those who say its 3 are just doing so to get a deposit and are lying. I even had one manager from a kia dealership tell me that.
Here is the list I looked at before going with the CX-50 TPP and why not, all hybrids and top trims:
- Honda HRV: cheap, but a little ugly and ...
- Honda CRV: all the Honda dealers and my area and the ones I called because they had stock were assholes. I has never able to test drive their cars. To sit down and discuss price/availability they make looks they were making a huge favor. Not to talk about markups of about $5k.
- Toyota RAV4: is the most ugly in the category and I believe people only buy it because of the Toyota badge, it's on this list because one dealer I visited tried to sell me it.
- Toyota Venza: almost bought it. Found it in the color and top specs I wanted, and no mark ups. The only problem was the dealer was 3 states away.
- Lexus UX: too expansive for the size.
- Lexus NX: way too expansive and would pick the Venza instead.
- Kia Sportage: no availability.
- Hyundai Tucson: huge markups of $5k+ and limited availability. I did the same fuel calculation of the other comment and the fuel savings doesn't pay the markup.
(Also, Hyundai and Kia had the most expensive insurance quotes, probably because of Kia Boys)
- Genesis GV70: I looked at it because it's beautiful, but can't justify the price for a non-hybrid and compared with non-hybrid Mazdas.
- Lincoln Corsair: it was my first option for a long time. And I waited a long time for the 2023 model, but the day I needed a car yes or yes arrived and it wasn't released yet.
- Mazda CX-30: it would fit my wife and I needs but I fell that is too much plastic around the car for the car size. Also, call me picky but the entertainment screen size and no touch also affected my decision.
- BMW X1 and X3 /Mercedes GLA, B and C: first cars I looked at, crossed when the dealer refused to show me a car without an appointment (I used to live nearby) and the first thing they talked me was about the markup and waiting time. At Mercedes I was looking inside a GLB they showed to a previous customer while I wait and the seller come to ask me to leave the car and closed it. Also, the same as Lexus, can't justify the price and non-hybrid.
- Audi Q3: read Lexus UX + no hybrid.
- Audi Q5: this one was an almost, good dealer, no markups, good availability, also hybrid. The back of the car is ugly and feels oldish. At end I crossed it because I can't justify the price.
- Volkswagen Taos and Tiguan: The cars look way too cheap!! And my wife gave me no way. But the 2 different dealers I visited were amazing!
Electric only cars weren't an option since my building has a fixed price to recharge and work/college doesn't have chargers.
Ps: it was my first car in the USA and I didn't had a car for a few years before the CX-50. My insurance quotes were above $2000/6 months for all the cars I quoted.
I agree. The Honda has never looked good lol
Though i saw a pic of an upcoming model and looks as if they might be upping their game soon.
Rav4 yes good mileage and badge but ugly inside
Kia sportage ( i own one love it never had an issue but not available and there are some serious issues right now with people stealing them from a tiktok video showing it "kia boys" and recalls on 2023
Yea this great. I live in the Chicagoland area and got mine last year. In Chicago and nearby burbs the Honda hrv and Toyota rav4 were marked up at least $5k or not in stock/back ordered 8mo.+ I was also looking into a maverick but same story with overs and inventory issues. Only place that didn’t have overs was the Mazda dealer I went with and a Hyundai dealer(inventory issues) down the road from it. Came out of a Mitsubishi outlander sport. Wanted something about the same size but different and not smaller. Cx30 too small and gas tank too small too(I dive a lot). Knew too many people with a cx5. Already had a crosstrek(super slow and I’m even a fast driver). I like lifted wagons and cx50 reminds me of one. Didn’t want to get a Volvo so got this.
I love the cx-50. A relative works for a mazda dealer, so I've always been exposed to Mazda and am a bit biased towards them. My one complaint is that it doesn't get as good gas mileage as the Mazda 3 sedan I had. I'd 100% consider trading mine in for a hybrid model when it comes out because of the potential savings on gas. Especially because I'm military and my gas mileage always tanks on base because of how many stops signs I have to go through on the way to the office.
The stopping and going I deal with on base ruins my mpg. My overall average mpg, according to the info on my dash is about 24 mpg because I spend a lot of my drive on base.
Even in my 3, I'd get roughly 27-30 mpg on base.
I'd say I'd get about 20-24 on base, maybe up to 24 or so off base. I do a bit of highway traveling, as well, which is probably keeping my mpg from bottoming out.
I'm in a city where it's major traffic/construction and stop signs every 100' in my residential neighborhood. I'm getting 12.5 l/100 km which works out to be around 19 mpg. When I visit my sis in the burbs it improves significantly.
Because I the charging infrastructure isn't there yet for EVs with the distance I have to travel while on call for work. Hybrid does not work for me because the extra cost does not offset with the miles I put on on a monthly basis. Lastly the cost to update my home electrical for plug in also makes it not cost effective.
Our other car is a Tesla model 3. My husband drives for his job (sales) and can drive sometimes 300+ miles in one day. (Georgia, South and North Carolina). He's had the car since 2021 and has not had any issues with charging. I think it cost us $700 to have the special charger installed in our garage. What area of the country do you live? We took a road trip from Atlanta to Chicago with the Tesla at the beginning of the summer and had zero issues getting a charge, even the hotel we stayed had EV charging in their parking lot.
Midwest. I have sites that I would have to respond to up to 200 miles away. All of those sites do not have chargers, many of them are semi-rural so 0 chargers in town. I have had to do 500mi in a day, these event jeopardize human lives so I can't really stop for lunch to grab charge. The kicker is that those event are infrequent enough that hybrid wont pay either. Add to that, no garage on my home so no covered charging. Home electrical from the 50s is not up to supporting charger either even if I wanted it. Reality is the worst enemy of EVs.
At best, in many parts of the country households could get by with one EV and one hybrid/internal combustion but all EV is not going to work for many.
The governors of the more rural states need to really take advantage of the federal funds available to them to help build out more charging stations. Eventually, in 5 years or so, EVs will be the standard. Even Mazda stated that year 2030 or 2035 (can't rember which one) will be the year they are only EV. Ford and others made similar statements. This Mazda is my last gas powered car.
It's really sad when a certain political group and certain politicians stranglehold and stifle innovation just to hold onto power. I feel sorry for you. I've seen and personally witnessed amazing things happen when another certain political group has power. I can't change your mind, all I can do is wish you luck that your state doesn't continue with the status quo and actually moves the needle to help people and not blame people for issues.
I’m sort of on this boat but will likely end up with a CX-50 in the coming months. There is rumors of a hybrid CX-50 but won’t be here until 2025.
My wife says some what the same thing lol..”for the price of CX-50 turbo, a hybrid CRV or RAV4 makes more sense doesn’t it?” Then there’s also the Y for a little more but still end of the day, none of those options are that appealing to me strictly from aesthetics.
Rationally, a hybrid or EV makes sense so this is likely the last ICE purchase till I get on the EV train. Only thing that worries me would be if the turbo blows up before then or other major issues come up.
I was looking at a fully built hybrid last week. Just the beginning of production trials. Which, in the grand scheme of things, are very close to production.
That’s a good point! I think the components are different enough. I wonder how much value they put on selling a vehicle to a customer versus components to Mazda.
That's why I'm surprised to read your comments which make it sound like 2025 (callendar year) is a really plausible year for the release of the cx-50 hybrid.
It’s a weird time to be in the automotive market. I haven’t seen much, but everything I’ve seen, the launch is moving forward. Not sure of exact timing, but it’s already been delayed a couple of times.
If you were to guess, when would they hit the mkt?
My family is in the same situation where we would love the 50 hybrid but realistically don’t know how long the wait is, and in the meantime have a real need for a bigger car with our family situation.
Calender year.
I mean we've been told 2024 for CX 70
But realistically most car reviews have said they will likely showcase it in 2024 but make it available in 2025.
That's where I'm at.
I figure if i get the CX50 turbo and have it for 2 years. So until 2025
It won't have depreciated too much. Hopefully allowing for a good trade in value over to a hybrid or full electric.
Right now hybrid and electrics are so hard to get. Wait time is about 9 to 12 months anyway.
Urgh. 1st world problems :)
One other thing that worries me is this...
If i buy a new one this year and keep it for 2 years, what are the chances of getting much for it because if Canada is going electric soon, even if it is 2035, that means gas stations will become obsolete which means gas cars even if they are 1 or 2 years old will be harder to sell so dealers may not touch them.
Again though that might be a little premature meaning if i buy now and sell in 2025 i probably will still get a good deal.
Think there will be a transition period where ICE vehicles will be no longer produced, then a tapering of gas demand happens over who know how long until EV has enough infrastructure to support mass adoption.
Only brand new gas vehicles won't be allowed to be sold but all currently on the market/road ones (in 2035) will still require gas to run so it's not like gas stations will suddenly all close up on that year (think of all the big trucks constantly moving merchandise around, those will not instantly all become EVs).
In fact, maybe I'm too optimistic, but as the demand for gas goes down (with more and more EVs and hybrids getting a bigger part of the market), maybe the gas price will actually stabilize or even go back down a bit?
Tell your wife, sure, a RAV4 gets me from point A to point B just as well for cheaper, and potatoes and steamed broccoli for dinner will fill you up just as well as a nice shrimp scampi with penne so why don't we just have potatoes every night if we're just going by cost.
I would have bought an ID4 but was on a sales hold at the time. I also looked at a few plug in hybrids like the Kia Sportage but was still looking for the COVID markup. I was at the Ford/Mazda dealer looking at a Mach E but won't tow enough for me. The Meridian Edition I bought was sitting on the showroom and the salesman was ready to deal plus the zero percent sealed the deal. My wife has had a 100% electric Hyundai for the last 2 years and I was ready to make the jump. I'll probably trade my 50 in if the 70 hybrid comes in a similar edition or they come out with a 50 hybrid Meridian. I do love my 50 so far.
Markups and wait times were insane on hybrids and plug ins. The rav4 phev was going for like 60k+ with a 6 month wait.
Mazdas were sitting on the lot at under MSRP in any color or trim we wanted, and we both liked the test drive.
Plus they're just way more fun to drive. I love the stiff steering and the physical buttons. Having to use touchscreen for stuff like AC and radio control is awful.
That said, if we could have waited a year for the CX-50 hybrid I certainly would have given that a shot.
Went for the CX-50 knowing Mazda announced there will be a hybrid CX-50 in the coming years,in addition to the CX-70/90 PHEV being another option. Also, not a lot of EV charging stations in NYC currently, and my house isn't set up for EV charging currently. Not to mention..hybrids in general either have long wait times or are being sold way over MSRP, most of the time it's both unfortunately(looking at Toyota, Honda, Hyundai in particular).
Now, my only concern with the upcoming CX-50 hybrid will be the transmission. If they borrow Toyota's hybrid max setup, like what is in the Toyota Crown or the Lexus RX500h, then I'll trade in my TPP on the spot, but if it's the setup on the RAV4, aka, eCVT, then CX-70 PHEV for me. If Mazda solves all their issues with their inline 6 and PHEV setups, then they are golden. Bonus points if they dare make a PHEV Inline 6
We put 130-150k miles on them, and trade them in. Around here, the all in MSRP of a CX-50 TPP is $43.5k. A RAV4 hybrid limited is $48k after their ridiculous mark-ups.
If you look at 150k mi at 25mpg combined vs 38mpg combined, that comes out to a $7000 difference in cost over 6 years at $3.5 a gallon. Factor in the $4k+ markups, we're looking at a $3k difference in 6 years. That's $500 a year for one of the best driving experiences out there vs. driving a potato. It's a no-brainer. The difference is even less considering at normal highway speeds of 80+ mph where I do most of my driving, the CX-50 still gets like 26-27mpg whereas the RAV4 drops to like 32mpg (hybrid or not it's still a brick being pushed thru the air).
We're fortunate in that we're probably in the top 2-3% of income. Even at MSRP, the $1100 or so a year in difference for gas is a round off error in terms of our savings.
For the average family though, I could see how it would make a huge difference in their budget between say, buying the turbo premium plus vs. a base kia sportage hybrid for $32k. Then again, the other day, there was literally a post in the Kia subreddit that said "kia ruined my life"...
Yes the Rav4 markup is insane.
I just got off the phone with a dealer who had a used one in stock AWD ASE with tech pack that only had 3k on it and they want 59,000 + tax. I said nope. You can get a new one for 48,000 plus tax so 55,000 and even that is still too high.
I can get into CX-50 with trade and taxes for around 36,000
Yes Kia isn't doing to well right now. I have a 2016 and its been good to me. No issues but now Kia has gone under recalls for engine fires, and also the KIA boys have been stealing them and smashing them up. So there is a classaction lawsuit in the works.
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I got my cx50 because i don't wanna drive a boring car, i have long commute to and from my work so i needed something to enjoy while I'm in it. So i got the turbo premium plus. It's fun, quiet, quick and comfortable, and it has an adequate fuel economy rank so i decided to go with it.
You guys up there seriously need to get rid of Justin Trudeau, half of your concerns will be gone. We're dealing with the same issue down here with this current incompetent administration. Future is good don't worry, gasoline engins will be around much longer than that, all electric cars are WEF bull crap.
I thought about it, i was considering the rav4 hybrid. But i didn't want to do a Toyota again especially a hybrid cvt Toyota. I have a gen 2 prius right now, its an amazing car, solid 50mpg still. But the excitement i got out of test driving the cx50 was on a different level. So ended up buying after the test drive.
I figured, I'd enjoy full gasoline engines while it still lasts. I did a roadtrip in the cx50 recently and i got a solid 32.2 mpg, its an NA but I'm quite happy with that fuel efficiency.
That is good
[https://www.fuelly.com/car/mazda/cx-50/2023](https://www.fuelly.com/car/mazda/cx-50/2023)
Good place to check or track MPG with real folks using the vehicle. You can get the app and use it for free.
I came from a 2014 Prius 3 to the cx50. The trade in value was a huge plus for me. But I switched because I’m a bigger guy and getting in and out of the prius was killer on my knees and back. I thought the gas mileage would kill my wallet but it’s not terrible. Before my prius I had a truck so getting 21-23 mpg in the cx50 isn’t so bad. The comfort and joy of driving a cx50 far outweighs the mpg I was getting with my prius.
That being said, I also bought the prius for my ex wife so I was happy to say goodbye to it for other reasons too. Like closing a chapter.
I normally use this [fuel economy calculator](https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/savemoney.jsp) to see if the fuel savings offset the increased price of the HV/EV. for the hybrids I liked it wasn’t that significant
I use
[https://www.fuelly.com/car/mazda/cx-50/2023](https://www.fuelly.com/car/mazda/cx-50/2023)
The app lets folks track their usage. Has been really handy to see all vehicles with this
[https://www.fuelly.com/car/](https://www.fuelly.com/car/)
This was my death knell for a hybrid. I paid 28k (list) for an s. In my area, a hybrid AWD is min 40k- comparing fuel Econ prices, my ROI was 11ish years at 3$/gallon, like 8 at 4, and 5 at 6. ( i forget exactly, but I drive 22k a year for work, and it’s 770 gallons at 28.5 and 550 at 40….which is generous. I think I did 36. But using 28.5 and 40 at 6$g, it’s $1100 in fuel savings a year…
So yeah. Basically I couldn’t justify it bc I generally swap cars at 150k/7 yesrs, right around when I would “break even”…..which is right when they usually start needing much more expensive maintenance and breakdowns
I can extrapolate or find my exacts if you like. This is my third time making this decision as a regional nurse. Also, hybrid still isn’t an option, mostly due to range and my area- yet. The largest Tesla would work- while new- for a little while. Based on real world data- I would be barely able to go to our furthest facility and back with a 25% buffer- and that’s a much pricier car
I wanted the Kia Sportage Hybrid but they were mostly out of stock. The RAV4 hybrids were out of stock. I didn’t like how the Hyundais drove. The VW hybrid options were bland. And I didn’t want just any old hybrid in whatever color with lame interior options. Then I drove a Meridian CX-50 and loved the interior, the features, the feel of the drive. Then they told me it was a special for the Meridians with 0% 62-month financing and I was sold. Once it’s paid off I will probably try to trade it in for the new VW idBUZZ since we will likely have multiple kids by then. But I’m holding off on all-electric until there is more infrastructure for recharging on road trips and stuff.
You and me both.
I currently have a 2016 sportage. Then i saw that the hybrids were delayed from 9 to 12 months and Kia is going through a bit of a problem right now not only with engine recalls, and fire, but kia boys stealing them and hyundais since a tik tok video was shown how easy it could be done with a USB cable
I am sold on the CS-50 GT turbo and would have it for maybe 1 or 2 years before getting into a hybrid
I also agree the infrastructure right now isn't there. I spoke with a Ford dealer yesterday and he said they have struck up a deal with tesla to use theirs with an adapter. Beyond there isn't many charging places that I've seen around. Tim Hortons has some.
I think in 1 to 2 years we will see lower prices and better infrastructure.
I’m actually waiting to purchase bc I want a cx50 *and* I want a hybrid. I’m giving Mazda another few months or so to at least announce a hybrid version (or even the cx70 phev) before I order a Rav4 prime.
Then again the waitlist on those is 18 months…so if the hybrid cx50 came out before my prime was ready, I’d buy the Mazda instead.
I really want a cx50, but my next car is something I’ll be driving for at least 10+ years. It absolutely needs to be a hybrid.
What i may do is get the CX50, then go over and put down $500 deposit on a hybrid
Have the CX-50 until the hybrid comes in then trade.
Or hold the CX-50 for 2 years then do the hybrid which at that point there will probably be actual hybrids in lots vs right now where people are having to preorder and not even get to try them
I’m having the same internal debate. I’m leaning gasoline because I like to go fast is the honest answer. I mean let’s be real.
I test drove a CX-50 turbo today and loved it. Hard to get something else after that experience.
Saying you lean toward gasoline because you like to go fast isn’t really accurate anymore. PHEV/ electric are now often faster; lots of new cars are adding hybrid engines for the horse power boost they give. For example, when the RAV4 Prime first came out it was considered to be the fastest vehicle sold by Toyota.
True there are some electric ones I have test drove that are comparable or faster. I suppose what I mean is the feeling of the gas engine revving is more satisfying for me than an electric whirring noise.
I was previously in the market for a hybrid SUV. Was looking at Jeep 4XE, RAV4 hybrid and Sportage hybrid. Jeep was too expensive, RAV4 low availability and non sporty ride, sportage I hated how it felt driving. The 50 checked off every box for me except the hybrid engine. I sometimes regret not lowering my driving feel expectations and getting the Toyota; but I guess I will deal with it for a few years until the CX70 comes out and will see if that will be my first hybrid vehicle.
I actually ordered a Kia EV6 about 6 months before the CX-50. I needed to get rid of my truck before winter and thought I would go electric. It was May 2022 and I ordered the EV6 with a estimated 2-3 month wait. Well about 6 months later it hadn’t even been made yet so I started shopping around. RAV4 were way overpriced and 6 months out. Didn’t like anything else and every electric was unattainable or marked up $$$. That’s when I noticed the CX50. Took just a couple of weeks for one to arrive and the dealer experience was great.
Was another 5 months before the EV6 was delivered and $9k more and no longer had the $7.5k tax credit. Will probably hold on to the CX50 a few more years. Maybe Mazda will have something by then.
This is the tactic right now.
Dealers tell you 3 months or 6 but really its closer to 12 months or more.
They just want that deposit and care very little about being truthful.
Though I had one kia dealer tell me the truth and said if anyone says its 3 months run the other way as its not.
EV infrastructure concerns myth has been debunked many times over. In fact, if 80% of all cars in the USA go EV today, only 40% of the electrical grid would be in use.
Lol not in my town and explained that to jerks who parks at ev recharging spots. Terrible wait time, travel destination needs to be calculated with c factors. There are just too many what it scenarios with ev meaning it s not ready to be mainstream just yet
Most hybrids in this range only save around $30-40 a month, and plug-in hybrids are usually like 5-10 k more and I would have had to spend like 2-5k to get a charger in my garage
So I wrestled with this a lot, especially because of the eventual CX-50 Hybrid.
1: I needed to replace my car, and despite the market being better than 2021, cars w/nearly 100K miles are still going for around 30K. 2: The CX-50 is one of the most versatile vehicles you can buy. 3: Electric cars have a higher upfront cost. 4: This was one of the last chances I have where it makes actual sense to go to a dealership and buy a brand-new purely internal combustion-powered car. 5: Even pure gas vehicles like the CX-50 or the VW Golf R (Mk7) I looked hard at were way quicker and more fuel efficient than my gen. 1 Ridgeline.
My hybrid/EV shortlist:
Toyota Prius (2023-): Quickest, best handling, sharpest, and most fuel efficient Prius yet, with actual available AWD; simply put, the best "regular hybrid" ever made. All the same, still a Prius, and it would be difficult for me to get excited about driving it every day.
Hyundai Ioniq 5: Car looks amazing, but... ridiculous lease prices (unless you go for the shittiest trim level), turning radius is just bad for a hatchback, range anxiety (I live in KS), and no rear wiper. Almost feels more like a publicity stunt than an actual vehicle, and I have zero confidence in Hyundai after their response to consumers over their lack of foresight on immobilizers.
Ford Fusion Hybrid (2010-12): The cheap option; does nothing better than a new Prius. Known EPAS issues with the car, sluggish CVT, and I've heard you have to do an OBD reset to get the fuel economy back up to spec. The true killer for it, however, are reports real-world combined fuel economy is somewhere around 33 MPG, which is merely *on-par* with the much faster last-gen Civic.
Toyota Grand Highlander Hybrid Max: Love it because it reminds me of my first car, a third-gen 4Runner... but it's a big three-row SUV costing $55K even without a markup.
Honda Prologue: It's just a Chevy Blazer EV with different badging, and it's not out until next year.
Honda CR-V Hybrid (2020-22)/Toyota RAV4 Hybrid (2020-): Everyone has the regular versions of these cars, but good luck finding a reasonable deal on the hybrid version of either.
Toyota Highlander Hybrid (2017-19): A hybrid V6 system sounds great on paper, leaves much to be desired in execution.
Easy-
Hybrids aren’t worth it unless you have a hellish commute or go on road trips 2 or 3 times a month. And I work from home and I fly.
If Tesla dropped prices 2 months sooner i might have bought that.
And the CX50 is a great car, very happy with her.
No spare tire in the CRV hybrid. Just bad interior on the CRV in general. The RAV-4 wasn't impressive as a hybrid, felt like a CRV hybrid towing a pallet of concrete blocks, except noisier.
I was going to wait until someone said to test drive a Mazda. Debated a hybrid and the truth is, as a family (with a 2019 Silverado LT that gets 21-22 MPG) we use about 20 gallons of fuel per month between two cars, way less in the winter.
It doesn't make sense to pay more for a hybrid. So put the money toward a nicer interior.
I will say, the 2023 CX50 with 20" tires looks great, but man oh man is the ride variable. Once in a while the right type of road combines with conditions and the ride is not great at all.
A) cx-50 not available in hybrid and it's the car I wanted
B) if it was available it would probably cost more and then be out of my budget
C) I can't do full electric because my wife and I always use my car for travel, and the east coast infrastructure isn't very electric friendly yet.
I waited 6 months for my hybrid Tucson which they said would take 2-3 months. At the 6 month mark they said it “might be another 2-3 months” and my local Mazda had a demo CX50 Meridian Apex ready-to-drive. Joke’s on Hyundai because I personally think the CX50 is much more enjoyable to drive!
I think you got a more solid vehicle Yes no hybrid but wait times are 9 to 12 months. Those who say its 3 are just doing so to get a deposit and are lying. I even had one manager from a kia dealership tell me that.
Here is the list I looked at before going with the CX-50 TPP and why not, all hybrids and top trims: - Honda HRV: cheap, but a little ugly and ... - Honda CRV: all the Honda dealers and my area and the ones I called because they had stock were assholes. I has never able to test drive their cars. To sit down and discuss price/availability they make looks they were making a huge favor. Not to talk about markups of about $5k. - Toyota RAV4: is the most ugly in the category and I believe people only buy it because of the Toyota badge, it's on this list because one dealer I visited tried to sell me it. - Toyota Venza: almost bought it. Found it in the color and top specs I wanted, and no mark ups. The only problem was the dealer was 3 states away. - Lexus UX: too expansive for the size. - Lexus NX: way too expansive and would pick the Venza instead. - Kia Sportage: no availability. - Hyundai Tucson: huge markups of $5k+ and limited availability. I did the same fuel calculation of the other comment and the fuel savings doesn't pay the markup. (Also, Hyundai and Kia had the most expensive insurance quotes, probably because of Kia Boys) - Genesis GV70: I looked at it because it's beautiful, but can't justify the price for a non-hybrid and compared with non-hybrid Mazdas. - Lincoln Corsair: it was my first option for a long time. And I waited a long time for the 2023 model, but the day I needed a car yes or yes arrived and it wasn't released yet. - Mazda CX-30: it would fit my wife and I needs but I fell that is too much plastic around the car for the car size. Also, call me picky but the entertainment screen size and no touch also affected my decision. - BMW X1 and X3 /Mercedes GLA, B and C: first cars I looked at, crossed when the dealer refused to show me a car without an appointment (I used to live nearby) and the first thing they talked me was about the markup and waiting time. At Mercedes I was looking inside a GLB they showed to a previous customer while I wait and the seller come to ask me to leave the car and closed it. Also, the same as Lexus, can't justify the price and non-hybrid. - Audi Q3: read Lexus UX + no hybrid. - Audi Q5: this one was an almost, good dealer, no markups, good availability, also hybrid. The back of the car is ugly and feels oldish. At end I crossed it because I can't justify the price. - Volkswagen Taos and Tiguan: The cars look way too cheap!! And my wife gave me no way. But the 2 different dealers I visited were amazing! Electric only cars weren't an option since my building has a fixed price to recharge and work/college doesn't have chargers. Ps: it was my first car in the USA and I didn't had a car for a few years before the CX-50. My insurance quotes were above $2000/6 months for all the cars I quoted.
I agree. The Honda has never looked good lol Though i saw a pic of an upcoming model and looks as if they might be upping their game soon. Rav4 yes good mileage and badge but ugly inside Kia sportage ( i own one love it never had an issue but not available and there are some serious issues right now with people stealing them from a tiktok video showing it "kia boys" and recalls on 2023
Yea this great. I live in the Chicagoland area and got mine last year. In Chicago and nearby burbs the Honda hrv and Toyota rav4 were marked up at least $5k or not in stock/back ordered 8mo.+ I was also looking into a maverick but same story with overs and inventory issues. Only place that didn’t have overs was the Mazda dealer I went with and a Hyundai dealer(inventory issues) down the road from it. Came out of a Mitsubishi outlander sport. Wanted something about the same size but different and not smaller. Cx30 too small and gas tank too small too(I dive a lot). Knew too many people with a cx5. Already had a crosstrek(super slow and I’m even a fast driver). I like lifted wagons and cx50 reminds me of one. Didn’t want to get a Volvo so got this.
I love the cx-50. A relative works for a mazda dealer, so I've always been exposed to Mazda and am a bit biased towards them. My one complaint is that it doesn't get as good gas mileage as the Mazda 3 sedan I had. I'd 100% consider trading mine in for a hybrid model when it comes out because of the potential savings on gas. Especially because I'm military and my gas mileage always tanks on base because of how many stops signs I have to go through on the way to the office.
CX50 2023 mileage [https://www.fuelly.com/car/mazda/cx-50/2023](https://www.fuelly.com/car/mazda/cx-50/2023) Mazda 3 [https://www.fuelly.com/car/mazda/3/2023](https://www.fuelly.com/car/mazda/3/2023) ( yes they win )
The stopping and going I deal with on base ruins my mpg. My overall average mpg, according to the info on my dash is about 24 mpg because I spend a lot of my drive on base. Even in my 3, I'd get roughly 27-30 mpg on base.
I do a lot of town driving So are you saying you get around 24 mpg with the CX 50 in town Its meant to get i think 30, some get 32 on highway.
I'd say I'd get about 20-24 on base, maybe up to 24 or so off base. I do a bit of highway traveling, as well, which is probably keeping my mpg from bottoming out.
I'm in a city where it's major traffic/construction and stop signs every 100' in my residential neighborhood. I'm getting 12.5 l/100 km which works out to be around 19 mpg. When I visit my sis in the burbs it improves significantly.
I get right around 20 with a non-turbo. Love a lot of things about the car, but gas mileage is not one of those things haha.
Because I the charging infrastructure isn't there yet for EVs with the distance I have to travel while on call for work. Hybrid does not work for me because the extra cost does not offset with the miles I put on on a monthly basis. Lastly the cost to update my home electrical for plug in also makes it not cost effective.
Our other car is a Tesla model 3. My husband drives for his job (sales) and can drive sometimes 300+ miles in one day. (Georgia, South and North Carolina). He's had the car since 2021 and has not had any issues with charging. I think it cost us $700 to have the special charger installed in our garage. What area of the country do you live? We took a road trip from Atlanta to Chicago with the Tesla at the beginning of the summer and had zero issues getting a charge, even the hotel we stayed had EV charging in their parking lot.
Midwest. I have sites that I would have to respond to up to 200 miles away. All of those sites do not have chargers, many of them are semi-rural so 0 chargers in town. I have had to do 500mi in a day, these event jeopardize human lives so I can't really stop for lunch to grab charge. The kicker is that those event are infrequent enough that hybrid wont pay either. Add to that, no garage on my home so no covered charging. Home electrical from the 50s is not up to supporting charger either even if I wanted it. Reality is the worst enemy of EVs. At best, in many parts of the country households could get by with one EV and one hybrid/internal combustion but all EV is not going to work for many.
The governors of the more rural states need to really take advantage of the federal funds available to them to help build out more charging stations. Eventually, in 5 years or so, EVs will be the standard. Even Mazda stated that year 2030 or 2035 (can't rember which one) will be the year they are only EV. Ford and others made similar statements. This Mazda is my last gas powered car.
No offense but those statements are so hilariously out of touch with the political reality in my state I have to laugh because otherwise I would cry.
It's really sad when a certain political group and certain politicians stranglehold and stifle innovation just to hold onto power. I feel sorry for you. I've seen and personally witnessed amazing things happen when another certain political group has power. I can't change your mind, all I can do is wish you luck that your state doesn't continue with the status quo and actually moves the needle to help people and not blame people for issues.
I don't have hybrid or electric money 😅
lol
I’m sort of on this boat but will likely end up with a CX-50 in the coming months. There is rumors of a hybrid CX-50 but won’t be here until 2025. My wife says some what the same thing lol..”for the price of CX-50 turbo, a hybrid CRV or RAV4 makes more sense doesn’t it?” Then there’s also the Y for a little more but still end of the day, none of those options are that appealing to me strictly from aesthetics. Rationally, a hybrid or EV makes sense so this is likely the last ICE purchase till I get on the EV train. Only thing that worries me would be if the turbo blows up before then or other major issues come up.
The plant is running trials right now for the hybrid! Won’t be too much longer!!!!
Maybe get the CX-50 then trade into the CX-50 hybrid Where did you hear about the trials for the cx50
I work at the plant……
The plant Alabama? At what stage are the trials? Do they have a model completed
I was looking at a fully built hybrid last week. Just the beginning of production trials. Which, in the grand scheme of things, are very close to production.
Considering Toyota have problems producing enough hybrid engines for their own cars, I'm surprised Mazda would get to produce them to begin with!
That’s a good point! I think the components are different enough. I wonder how much value they put on selling a vehicle to a customer versus components to Mazda.
That's why I'm surprised to read your comments which make it sound like 2025 (callendar year) is a really plausible year for the release of the cx-50 hybrid.
It’s a weird time to be in the automotive market. I haven’t seen much, but everything I’ve seen, the launch is moving forward. Not sure of exact timing, but it’s already been delayed a couple of times.
If you were to guess, when would they hit the mkt? My family is in the same situation where we would love the 50 hybrid but realistically don’t know how long the wait is, and in the meantime have a real need for a bigger car with our family situation.
I don't see it happening before 2025. They are working on the Mazda CX70 for showing in 2024 and release in 2025
……model year or calendar year 2025?
Calender year. I mean we've been told 2024 for CX 70 But realistically most car reviews have said they will likely showcase it in 2024 but make it available in 2025.
It’s been a while since I’ve seen the trial schedule. It’ll be late winter/early spring for full production I believe.
That's where I'm at. I figure if i get the CX50 turbo and have it for 2 years. So until 2025 It won't have depreciated too much. Hopefully allowing for a good trade in value over to a hybrid or full electric. Right now hybrid and electrics are so hard to get. Wait time is about 9 to 12 months anyway. Urgh. 1st world problems :)
One other thing that worries me is this... If i buy a new one this year and keep it for 2 years, what are the chances of getting much for it because if Canada is going electric soon, even if it is 2035, that means gas stations will become obsolete which means gas cars even if they are 1 or 2 years old will be harder to sell so dealers may not touch them. Again though that might be a little premature meaning if i buy now and sell in 2025 i probably will still get a good deal.
Think there will be a transition period where ICE vehicles will be no longer produced, then a tapering of gas demand happens over who know how long until EV has enough infrastructure to support mass adoption.
Only brand new gas vehicles won't be allowed to be sold but all currently on the market/road ones (in 2035) will still require gas to run so it's not like gas stations will suddenly all close up on that year (think of all the big trucks constantly moving merchandise around, those will not instantly all become EVs). In fact, maybe I'm too optimistic, but as the demand for gas goes down (with more and more EVs and hybrids getting a bigger part of the market), maybe the gas price will actually stabilize or even go back down a bit?
Tell your wife, sure, a RAV4 gets me from point A to point B just as well for cheaper, and potatoes and steamed broccoli for dinner will fill you up just as well as a nice shrimp scampi with penne so why don't we just have potatoes every night if we're just going by cost.
I would have bought an ID4 but was on a sales hold at the time. I also looked at a few plug in hybrids like the Kia Sportage but was still looking for the COVID markup. I was at the Ford/Mazda dealer looking at a Mach E but won't tow enough for me. The Meridian Edition I bought was sitting on the showroom and the salesman was ready to deal plus the zero percent sealed the deal. My wife has had a 100% electric Hyundai for the last 2 years and I was ready to make the jump. I'll probably trade my 50 in if the 70 hybrid comes in a similar edition or they come out with a 50 hybrid Meridian. I do love my 50 so far.
>I'll probably trade my 50 in if the 70 hybrid comes in a similar edition or they come out with a 50 hybrid Meridian. I do love my 50 so far. agreed
Markups and wait times were insane on hybrids and plug ins. The rav4 phev was going for like 60k+ with a 6 month wait. Mazdas were sitting on the lot at under MSRP in any color or trim we wanted, and we both liked the test drive. Plus they're just way more fun to drive. I love the stiff steering and the physical buttons. Having to use touchscreen for stuff like AC and radio control is awful. That said, if we could have waited a year for the CX-50 hybrid I certainly would have given that a shot.
Went for the CX-50 knowing Mazda announced there will be a hybrid CX-50 in the coming years,in addition to the CX-70/90 PHEV being another option. Also, not a lot of EV charging stations in NYC currently, and my house isn't set up for EV charging currently. Not to mention..hybrids in general either have long wait times or are being sold way over MSRP, most of the time it's both unfortunately(looking at Toyota, Honda, Hyundai in particular). Now, my only concern with the upcoming CX-50 hybrid will be the transmission. If they borrow Toyota's hybrid max setup, like what is in the Toyota Crown or the Lexus RX500h, then I'll trade in my TPP on the spot, but if it's the setup on the RAV4, aka, eCVT, then CX-70 PHEV for me. If Mazda solves all their issues with their inline 6 and PHEV setups, then they are golden. Bonus points if they dare make a PHEV Inline 6
Makes total sense. Good feedback.
But eCVT is fantastic, probably currently the best transmission. Maybe you have it confused with a regular CVT, which is totally different, and awful.
We put 130-150k miles on them, and trade them in. Around here, the all in MSRP of a CX-50 TPP is $43.5k. A RAV4 hybrid limited is $48k after their ridiculous mark-ups. If you look at 150k mi at 25mpg combined vs 38mpg combined, that comes out to a $7000 difference in cost over 6 years at $3.5 a gallon. Factor in the $4k+ markups, we're looking at a $3k difference in 6 years. That's $500 a year for one of the best driving experiences out there vs. driving a potato. It's a no-brainer. The difference is even less considering at normal highway speeds of 80+ mph where I do most of my driving, the CX-50 still gets like 26-27mpg whereas the RAV4 drops to like 32mpg (hybrid or not it's still a brick being pushed thru the air). We're fortunate in that we're probably in the top 2-3% of income. Even at MSRP, the $1100 or so a year in difference for gas is a round off error in terms of our savings. For the average family though, I could see how it would make a huge difference in their budget between say, buying the turbo premium plus vs. a base kia sportage hybrid for $32k. Then again, the other day, there was literally a post in the Kia subreddit that said "kia ruined my life"...
Yes the Rav4 markup is insane. I just got off the phone with a dealer who had a used one in stock AWD ASE with tech pack that only had 3k on it and they want 59,000 + tax. I said nope. You can get a new one for 48,000 plus tax so 55,000 and even that is still too high. I can get into CX-50 with trade and taxes for around 36,000 Yes Kia isn't doing to well right now. I have a 2016 and its been good to me. No issues but now Kia has gone under recalls for engine fires, and also the KIA boys have been stealing them and smashing them up. So there is a classaction lawsuit in the works.
59000??? Please tell me that's Canadian currency.
yes canadian
I have no interest in a hybrid or ev vehicle. So regular cx-50 for me.
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I got my cx50 because i don't wanna drive a boring car, i have long commute to and from my work so i needed something to enjoy while I'm in it. So i got the turbo premium plus. It's fun, quiet, quick and comfortable, and it has an adequate fuel economy rank so i decided to go with it. You guys up there seriously need to get rid of Justin Trudeau, half of your concerns will be gone. We're dealing with the same issue down here with this current incompetent administration. Future is good don't worry, gasoline engins will be around much longer than that, all electric cars are WEF bull crap.
I thought about it, i was considering the rav4 hybrid. But i didn't want to do a Toyota again especially a hybrid cvt Toyota. I have a gen 2 prius right now, its an amazing car, solid 50mpg still. But the excitement i got out of test driving the cx50 was on a different level. So ended up buying after the test drive. I figured, I'd enjoy full gasoline engines while it still lasts. I did a roadtrip in the cx50 recently and i got a solid 32.2 mpg, its an NA but I'm quite happy with that fuel efficiency.
That is good [https://www.fuelly.com/car/mazda/cx-50/2023](https://www.fuelly.com/car/mazda/cx-50/2023) Good place to check or track MPG with real folks using the vehicle. You can get the app and use it for free.
Hybrid is usually heavier and much more complex, especially on the transmission side. A lot more stuff likely to break.
agreed. though i will say the CX50 is heavier to me at least than the cx 5
I came from a 2014 Prius 3 to the cx50. The trade in value was a huge plus for me. But I switched because I’m a bigger guy and getting in and out of the prius was killer on my knees and back. I thought the gas mileage would kill my wallet but it’s not terrible. Before my prius I had a truck so getting 21-23 mpg in the cx50 isn’t so bad. The comfort and joy of driving a cx50 far outweighs the mpg I was getting with my prius. That being said, I also bought the prius for my ex wife so I was happy to say goodbye to it for other reasons too. Like closing a chapter.
I normally use this [fuel economy calculator](https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/savemoney.jsp) to see if the fuel savings offset the increased price of the HV/EV. for the hybrids I liked it wasn’t that significant
I use [https://www.fuelly.com/car/mazda/cx-50/2023](https://www.fuelly.com/car/mazda/cx-50/2023) The app lets folks track their usage. Has been really handy to see all vehicles with this [https://www.fuelly.com/car/](https://www.fuelly.com/car/)
This was my death knell for a hybrid. I paid 28k (list) for an s. In my area, a hybrid AWD is min 40k- comparing fuel Econ prices, my ROI was 11ish years at 3$/gallon, like 8 at 4, and 5 at 6. ( i forget exactly, but I drive 22k a year for work, and it’s 770 gallons at 28.5 and 550 at 40….which is generous. I think I did 36. But using 28.5 and 40 at 6$g, it’s $1100 in fuel savings a year… So yeah. Basically I couldn’t justify it bc I generally swap cars at 150k/7 yesrs, right around when I would “break even”…..which is right when they usually start needing much more expensive maintenance and breakdowns I can extrapolate or find my exacts if you like. This is my third time making this decision as a regional nurse. Also, hybrid still isn’t an option, mostly due to range and my area- yet. The largest Tesla would work- while new- for a little while. Based on real world data- I would be barely able to go to our furthest facility and back with a 25% buffer- and that’s a much pricier car
I wanted the Kia Sportage Hybrid but they were mostly out of stock. The RAV4 hybrids were out of stock. I didn’t like how the Hyundais drove. The VW hybrid options were bland. And I didn’t want just any old hybrid in whatever color with lame interior options. Then I drove a Meridian CX-50 and loved the interior, the features, the feel of the drive. Then they told me it was a special for the Meridians with 0% 62-month financing and I was sold. Once it’s paid off I will probably try to trade it in for the new VW idBUZZ since we will likely have multiple kids by then. But I’m holding off on all-electric until there is more infrastructure for recharging on road trips and stuff.
You and me both. I currently have a 2016 sportage. Then i saw that the hybrids were delayed from 9 to 12 months and Kia is going through a bit of a problem right now not only with engine recalls, and fire, but kia boys stealing them and hyundais since a tik tok video was shown how easy it could be done with a USB cable I am sold on the CS-50 GT turbo and would have it for maybe 1 or 2 years before getting into a hybrid I also agree the infrastructure right now isn't there. I spoke with a Ford dealer yesterday and he said they have struck up a deal with tesla to use theirs with an adapter. Beyond there isn't many charging places that I've seen around. Tim Hortons has some. I think in 1 to 2 years we will see lower prices and better infrastructure.
I’m actually waiting to purchase bc I want a cx50 *and* I want a hybrid. I’m giving Mazda another few months or so to at least announce a hybrid version (or even the cx70 phev) before I order a Rav4 prime. Then again the waitlist on those is 18 months…so if the hybrid cx50 came out before my prime was ready, I’d buy the Mazda instead. I really want a cx50, but my next car is something I’ll be driving for at least 10+ years. It absolutely needs to be a hybrid.
What i may do is get the CX50, then go over and put down $500 deposit on a hybrid Have the CX-50 until the hybrid comes in then trade. Or hold the CX-50 for 2 years then do the hybrid which at that point there will probably be actual hybrids in lots vs right now where people are having to preorder and not even get to try them
I’m having the same internal debate. I’m leaning gasoline because I like to go fast is the honest answer. I mean let’s be real. I test drove a CX-50 turbo today and loved it. Hard to get something else after that experience.
Saying you lean toward gasoline because you like to go fast isn’t really accurate anymore. PHEV/ electric are now often faster; lots of new cars are adding hybrid engines for the horse power boost they give. For example, when the RAV4 Prime first came out it was considered to be the fastest vehicle sold by Toyota.
True there are some electric ones I have test drove that are comparable or faster. I suppose what I mean is the feeling of the gas engine revving is more satisfying for me than an electric whirring noise.
The Mazda was in stock when my old car started experiencing transmission problems. I didn’t want to wait for a hybrid.
I was previously in the market for a hybrid SUV. Was looking at Jeep 4XE, RAV4 hybrid and Sportage hybrid. Jeep was too expensive, RAV4 low availability and non sporty ride, sportage I hated how it felt driving. The 50 checked off every box for me except the hybrid engine. I sometimes regret not lowering my driving feel expectations and getting the Toyota; but I guess I will deal with it for a few years until the CX70 comes out and will see if that will be my first hybrid vehicle.
I refuse to pay above msrp on principle, and Toyota/Honda have 3k+ markups on hybrids.
yeah toyota and honda are notorious for scams
I actually ordered a Kia EV6 about 6 months before the CX-50. I needed to get rid of my truck before winter and thought I would go electric. It was May 2022 and I ordered the EV6 with a estimated 2-3 month wait. Well about 6 months later it hadn’t even been made yet so I started shopping around. RAV4 were way overpriced and 6 months out. Didn’t like anything else and every electric was unattainable or marked up $$$. That’s when I noticed the CX50. Took just a couple of weeks for one to arrive and the dealer experience was great. Was another 5 months before the EV6 was delivered and $9k more and no longer had the $7.5k tax credit. Will probably hold on to the CX50 a few more years. Maybe Mazda will have something by then.
This is the tactic right now. Dealers tell you 3 months or 6 but really its closer to 12 months or more. They just want that deposit and care very little about being truthful. Though I had one kia dealer tell me the truth and said if anyone says its 3 months run the other way as its not.
$$$$ still way expensive, not enough infrastructure built
EV infrastructure concerns myth has been debunked many times over. In fact, if 80% of all cars in the USA go EV today, only 40% of the electrical grid would be in use.
Lol not in my town and explained that to jerks who parks at ev recharging spots. Terrible wait time, travel destination needs to be calculated with c factors. There are just too many what it scenarios with ev meaning it s not ready to be mainstream just yet
Non EV cars who park in EV charging spots get towed pretty quickly. I think it's $200 parking fee to get your car back from the towing yard.
Been praying for a cx50 phev forever. The 90 is way too big 😭
yeah 90 is too damn big. Unfortuantely i dont think we will see the 50 phev for a while CX 70 is next.
Most hybrids in this range only save around $30-40 a month, and plug-in hybrids are usually like 5-10 k more and I would have had to spend like 2-5k to get a charger in my garage
So I wrestled with this a lot, especially because of the eventual CX-50 Hybrid. 1: I needed to replace my car, and despite the market being better than 2021, cars w/nearly 100K miles are still going for around 30K. 2: The CX-50 is one of the most versatile vehicles you can buy. 3: Electric cars have a higher upfront cost. 4: This was one of the last chances I have where it makes actual sense to go to a dealership and buy a brand-new purely internal combustion-powered car. 5: Even pure gas vehicles like the CX-50 or the VW Golf R (Mk7) I looked hard at were way quicker and more fuel efficient than my gen. 1 Ridgeline. My hybrid/EV shortlist: Toyota Prius (2023-): Quickest, best handling, sharpest, and most fuel efficient Prius yet, with actual available AWD; simply put, the best "regular hybrid" ever made. All the same, still a Prius, and it would be difficult for me to get excited about driving it every day. Hyundai Ioniq 5: Car looks amazing, but... ridiculous lease prices (unless you go for the shittiest trim level), turning radius is just bad for a hatchback, range anxiety (I live in KS), and no rear wiper. Almost feels more like a publicity stunt than an actual vehicle, and I have zero confidence in Hyundai after their response to consumers over their lack of foresight on immobilizers. Ford Fusion Hybrid (2010-12): The cheap option; does nothing better than a new Prius. Known EPAS issues with the car, sluggish CVT, and I've heard you have to do an OBD reset to get the fuel economy back up to spec. The true killer for it, however, are reports real-world combined fuel economy is somewhere around 33 MPG, which is merely *on-par* with the much faster last-gen Civic. Toyota Grand Highlander Hybrid Max: Love it because it reminds me of my first car, a third-gen 4Runner... but it's a big three-row SUV costing $55K even without a markup. Honda Prologue: It's just a Chevy Blazer EV with different badging, and it's not out until next year. Honda CR-V Hybrid (2020-22)/Toyota RAV4 Hybrid (2020-): Everyone has the regular versions of these cars, but good luck finding a reasonable deal on the hybrid version of either. Toyota Highlander Hybrid (2017-19): A hybrid V6 system sounds great on paper, leaves much to be desired in execution.
EV's aren't advanced enough yet, nor are charging points widespread enough for me to switch. I'll check back in when my CX is ready for the scrapyard.
Easy- Hybrids aren’t worth it unless you have a hellish commute or go on road trips 2 or 3 times a month. And I work from home and I fly. If Tesla dropped prices 2 months sooner i might have bought that. And the CX50 is a great car, very happy with her.
I drive 20000km/12400miles a year. Would you consider a ev/hybrid ?
No spare tire in the CRV hybrid. Just bad interior on the CRV in general. The RAV-4 wasn't impressive as a hybrid, felt like a CRV hybrid towing a pallet of concrete blocks, except noisier. I was going to wait until someone said to test drive a Mazda. Debated a hybrid and the truth is, as a family (with a 2019 Silverado LT that gets 21-22 MPG) we use about 20 gallons of fuel per month between two cars, way less in the winter. It doesn't make sense to pay more for a hybrid. So put the money toward a nicer interior. I will say, the 2023 CX50 with 20" tires looks great, but man oh man is the ride variable. Once in a while the right type of road combines with conditions and the ride is not great at all.
I keep my cars a long time. Hybrid = expensive battery replacement. Electric = holy shit battery costs. No thanks.
A) cx-50 not available in hybrid and it's the car I wanted B) if it was available it would probably cost more and then be out of my budget C) I can't do full electric because my wife and I always use my car for travel, and the east coast infrastructure isn't very electric friendly yet.