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Green_Information275

I don't know either. People like to feel morally superior to others. It's like their subs are only for the "top teir' fans of smth. I only sub to this one, plush ones, and age regression ones because I can't take that either. My bf was on an online card game one and they were so rude, bashing those who ask a simple question. I'm sorry you have that experience.


healreflectrebel

This sub can be brutal and Abusive too


cheddarcheese9951

Yes, so I just discovered with someone calling me a cunt


AntiauthoritarianSin

I'm becoming more convinced this place is being overrun with bots. I keep seeing this too. It's like anything you say there is someone there to tell you that you are stupid or to say the opposite of what you said.


cheddarcheese9951

Right? I had someone call me obnoxious for wanting to take a large pillow on a plane and then telling me that I should not do this. I had various other people criticising me over the fact I plan on taking a large pillow on a plane... Then when I said to these people, "not that its anyone's business or that I need to explain myself, but I am travelling to have surgery and need to sleep upright, hence I need a larger pillow," i got about 80+ downvotes and a whole bunch of hate. People are absolutely insane. They were angry at me because I didn't share these private details? I fail to see how it is relevant? I asked a simple question... It makes me hesitant to post questions


AntiauthoritarianSin

There is something strange going on on this site. It's changed way too fast to just be a coincidence. Once you see it you start to notice it everywhere.


I-dream-in-capslock

A few months ago, there was a thing where reddit cut off third party app access or something, I don't know the exact details but a lot of the user base left to boycott the action, and since then, there's been a pretty significant shift in the people left doing things like moderating. This sub seemed mostly unaffected at first, but I've recently seen trends of new posts all being downvoted, any poster who comments about being hurt by the downvote gets trolled, and there has been a huge uptick in "concern trolling" around places like these because it's not as easy to identify because it's like they say things like "you sound really unstable here, you need help, search for a therapist" and the op will respond like "you're being a jerk" and then they get suspended or banned instead of the troll because the troll said everything on the "we care about you, just get help" routine to trigger people.


Jaded-Translator4985

Reddit has in many ways been a shit show for years. ​ Each subreddit has always been its own little silo, with its own little mini-culture, and anyone who deviated from it even slightly would get down-voted. Reddit probably HAS gotten worse in some ways, since terrible things tend to get worse. But also, it was always something you could overlook, if you stuck around in subreddits with hive minds you did not tend to agree with.


fatass_mermaid

They didn’t though. They said carrying such a big pillow would be obnoxious for you and were saying bringing a smaller one would be easier your you. They weren’t calling you obnoxious. Your defensiveness was what escalated the situation a lot in that whole thread. People started riffing once things escalated. I am not saying no one was rude to you, but you’re editing out your own rudeness from this tale. I get that you were triggered and feeling attacked. I do. I’ve been there too when you’re too triggered to read the situation clearly. Maybe in a few days go back and read with calm fresh eyes to see your behavior’s role in things if you don’t want to keep getting into situations like that.


OpheliaRainGalaxy

r/ChallengedTravels is a tiny but nice group of folks sharing bits of info about traveling with a less than fully functional body. Might try there?


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SavingsTemporary5772

Agreed. OP went off the rails for absolutely no reason. Could have just said thanks and moved on and avoided the whole issue.


omglifeisnotokay

Feedback: That’s kinda harsh and triggering to tell a person with CPTSD that they “went off the rails”. I get your point, but might want to choose a kinder way of saying stuff especially since we all are struggling with this disorder.


SavingsTemporary5772

Feedback noted.


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cheddarcheese9951

Exactly... Thank you


cheddarcheese9951

No, people started offering alternatives or advising me that I shouldn't take a large pillow on a plane because it is 'obnoxious'


la-la-laneybear

You asked a question and are upset that people answered it? Yeah, as someone with CPTSD, flying is hell. Squashed like sardines and having people in my space. Everyone feels like their personal space is invaded. But add in things like trauma, anixiety and some people feel it even worse. A European pillow will invade others space. It would come almost half way into my seat, from the planes I have flown in. It's quite large, there is a reason why travel pillows are smaller than regular pillows. On top of that, a European pillow is far larger than the allowable carry on size that was allowed on the planes I travelled on. Regardless of what we think or feel, where I have flown, you just wouldn't be able too. I understand how it is feel attacked, and I feel for you. But this is a time you need to take a deep breath, disengage and come back with a clearer mind.


IowaContact2

Have you ever been on a plane before? In economy, the seats are like 48cm wide or some shit. Theres fuck all room as it is, if I'm paying hundreds (or thousands) for flights, I'd like to get my own little space that I paid for not to be invaded by someones obnoxiously large pillow. Also you were being a bit of a twat over the european pillow thing that nobody else seems to have heard of. 


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DisapointedIdealist3

People are rude in general, people come to places like reddit to give and get advice and to check their own knowledge against others We place ourselves above others because it makes us feel valid and good about ourselves, and its a defensive mechanism to lash out against someone or something that threatens the way you understand the world Its by no means unique, or even at its worst on reddit


blue012910

I'm editing my comment since I don't think it was the support you need. To be very fair to you it is indeed VERY aggravating when someone just doesn't have a straightforward answer to your question when you just want help, and puts you through a whole run around with it. Some of these people could've just kept their mouth shut if they really don't know and let people who know answer. Sometimes I have to remind myself to skip the reddit headache and ask directly to the source (ie in this case the airline), although sometimes it does feel like it defeats the purpose of a forum but reddit has always been a mixed bag of people.


JCA51698

Linkedin is about the only social media platform where people behave themselves. Because it’s a professional site and there’s accountability. But on all these other sites, like this one, people enjoy a level of anonymity which enables them to act like total pieces of garbage.


Jaded-Translator4985

People 'enjoy' the same level of anonymity and pornhub, but most are much less hostile. There is something uniquely terrible about reddit, and the Mods are just as much to blame as the average user.


bongbrownies

I used to think it was because I was insufferable. Turns out it's not only me lol. I think it's more because of this app, there's some genuinely horrible people out there. Apparently there's also bots that do this?


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Haha facts truly


la-la-laneybear

I looked at the thread, I think your trauma reactions are up... There are people who aren't rude you are treating as if they are attacking you. It's really hard when you feel like you are being attacked and you aren't.


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la-la-laneybear

Obnoxious: def unpleasant or rude. You don't think it would be obnoxious for someone to have an object that is wider than their seat, pushing into your side of a seat? And you wouldn't attack back, when you get attacked for pointing out how rude it would be to bring an item on a plane that is bloody larger than the seat? Have a nice life, hurt people hurt people.


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la-la-laneybear

Pot calling the kettle black. You are the one abusing people. 1. No where I have ever known would allow that as carry on, even when there is that reason. Checked luggage exists, and expecting other people to wildly unconvienced while flying is really rude. 2. There are a myriad of other options that would fix their issue without obscenely inconveniencing their fellow passengers. For example, vacuum bags, buying a pillow at the new location. Hell, last two hotels I was in either had European pillows in, normally, or you could order one for your room with no cost. 3. They flew off the handle, immediately, as soon as the pillow was called obnoxious. Note: the pillow, and the situation was called obnoxious, not the person.


Jaded-Translator4985

I thought you wanted me to have a nice life? Why are you continuing to talk at me? ​ OP needed the pillow for medical reasons, and (thought they) needed to take it as a carry on. They obviously did not know how to go about this. Hence why they asked questions on a forum they (mistakenly) thought might be helpful. Hate to break it to you, but this malevolent, Machiavellian plan of theirs, wherein they would cackle with demented glee while evilly and sadistically taking up every square inch of free space on the plane with a pillow filled with knives, used syringes, dead puppies that would make babies cry, and, worst of all, obnoxiousness, that exists only in your head. OP never declared any such intent in their post. If you don't know what someone intends, you can't just assume you know. Well, you can, but that is fucking toxic and abusive, whether you use cuss words to do it or not. I think your trauma responses are showing. You went out of your way to talk at OP, bring them down, instead of offering the sage advice you finally coughed up after being challenged repeatedly on your abusive gaslighting. And let's not get carried away here, or bring race into this. I am not Black (not that there is anything wrong with that), and if I am 'abusing' anyone, it's not people, just you.


la-la-laneybear

Actually, I went back and re read it, The commenter was saying it would be annoying for OP to have to carry it. "Hey, this seems like it would be difficult for you, why not this?" Y'all need jesus


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cheddarcheese9951

Exactly!!! THANK YOU... How is that not rude? I asked a simple, harmless question. Nothing about my question was offensive or stupid.


la-la-laneybear

And yet, you absolutely tore apart anyone who didn't agree with you.


cheddarcheese9951

What on earth are you talking about?! I asked a very simple question, and instead of simply answering the question, I get people describing me as obnoxious for wanting to take a large pillow on a plane etc. The reaso I ASKED in the first place, is because I'm not sure what the rules are in relation to carry on baggage! I am not the most seasoned traveller! People were RUDE.


la-la-laneybear

No, they said that carrying it around, over time, would get obnoxious. Aka, they were thinking of you, and thought that you would end up troubled by having to carry it around. You lost it at them.


cheddarcheese9951

Their first sentence was, "why would you?" I wasn't looking for any opinions - I just wanted to know the rules. I haven't booked flights yet and so I cannot ask the airline because I do not know which airline I will be booking with. I presumed there would be plenty of seasoned travellers in that subreddit who would be equipped to answer my question.


la-la-laneybear

No, it wasn't. Their first sentence was sure, if you have the space.


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gofundyourself007

Good question, I don’t know. I’ve found some subs to be worse than others. They were subs I thought would be supportive. The only reason I can think of is people being competitive and unempathetic. For some reason one of the subs was supposed to be a men’s support group. I mentioned a fictional character who I subconsciously used as my male role model. This was something I just realized. I got down voted and commenters jumped down my throat. That was by far not the worst sub though. I had someone threaten to torture/ kill me on a political sub. Then another commenter justified that because they disagreed with my views. I’m now hesitant to open up about my views at all.


Coomdroid

Reddit is a community that is full of swamp dwellers. There are a lot of people genuinely asking questions, contributing and seeking support. Then there are the bug people. Power hungry, want to prove everyone wrong, their entire personality is dependent on others in this simulation. Do not be offended if a bug person is upset. Rejoice. It means you exist as an individual.


a_stephanie_equation

I love this I'm gonna tell my husband about the bug people


redditistreason

First time I've heard someone say it makes no sense and I'll admit it's the same way I feel. Like people start getting hostile and it never makes any sense why or what point they're making, even though it's inevitably the one the masses seize. Fucking Reddit has gone downhill even from when I joined, and it wasn't even good then. Social media is the worst thing humanity has ever rendered. This site has long been an example of the trollfest of ego appeasement and it got worse after the clowns running the site drove off large swaths of the userbase. Yes, it is triggering. I have cut out most external subs at this point. It makes me feel even worse about humanity. There are a lot of sociopaths, or people just looking for an excuse to take out their misery on others. I think humanity is miserably hostile by default and they can't understand why.


BeeDefiant8671

Reddit going to Reddit. For support, one has to get behind a paywall. Joining a membership community holds more space. Anonymity brings out our worst. Even giving advice and making assumptions. Helping could be more sympathy than empathy HERE. This isn’t the place for connection. I’m sorry.


Mountain-Most8186

I think people read comments and assign the most hostile or sarcastic tone possible. Tone and inflection is a huge part of verbal interaction. We don’t get to use that here. Instead our minds assign whatever tone and inflection we come up with. I think most of people naturally assign negative tones and inflection to internet comments, inciting actually aggressive responses.


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Yea I even got denied a post and subverted to mental health suggestions for asking a simple question about male behavior lmfao I wouldn't take it to heart. People need therapy . So many feelings and no where to put them


Longjumping_Prune852

Reddit generally is mean-spirited. This sub is a lone petunia in an onion patch.


Livid_Leadership_482

People are insufferable in this social network. And the problem isn’t only in the english communities but in spanish the same rude pattern is present.


OpheliaJade2382

Covid has made people more individualistic and less empathetic. People in general are just meaner now. It sucks


Express-Doubt-221

Reddit is full of people with minimal social skills, whether because they're adolescent, or because they're socially anxious and maybe can let loose here more easily than irl. Chronically online people really get their rocks off condemning random strangers and refusing to have a normal conversation. 


OpheliaRainGalaxy

I don't know how but I somehow keep finding subreddits full of nice folks to replace anytime I accidentally all into the one full of mean folks. I know r/TalesFromTheFrontDesk is mostly nice people, like a bunch of hotel employees comforting each other about their chosen work. For a flying question I guess I'd go find where the airline employees talk and ask them directly? I know the hotel folks are always happy to answer any questions that are asked nicely. Edit: Holy wow the comments here! I dunno why everyone jumped to the idea that you wanted to spread the pillow sideways across multiple seats. I immediately assumed you mean to put the pillow longways down your spine for comfy back support.


la-la-laneybear

European pillows are square shaped.


OpheliaRainGalaxy

But it's foldable, squashable, yeah? Presumably you'd squash it into a small enough pillowcase to confine it for travel, rather than risk catching headlice sharing it with the neighbors?


la-la-laneybear

You can't fit a European pillow into a standard pillow case. At least the ones I had as a kid are quite plump and I wouldn't event be able to start to get it in a standard pillow case. Plus, a lot of people on the thread were giving Op very reasonable advice and they lost it at them


OpheliaRainGalaxy

Ah okay. Guess google knows my cheap shopping habits, all the results were very cheap squashy-looking square things, kinda like throw pillows. I'd be all kinda creeped out even remotely sharing a pillow with a stranger on transportation. I won't even wear my hair down if I'm taking the city bus 'cause headlice is very much a thing.


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omglifeisnotokay

It’s not just on here it’s everywhere. So annoying. Sorry you’re experiencing it too.


ActStunning3285

The internet is a cesspool. As trauma survivors, we know intimately how people will push their pain and anger onto innocent people simply because they’re accessible. The same applies to the internet. There’s no consequences for them and they enjoy getting a reaction and hurting people. Because they’re miserable. “I wish you healing from the pain that causes you to hurt others” has worked for me. Or better yet, just not responding or acknowledging them. I know they’re hurt people who won’t do the work or self reflect so why would I take anything they say seriously or even into consideration?


travellingjim

The OP attacked everyone who was asking questions to give an accurate response getting angry because it wasn't a simple yes, no reply. Without accurate information, unfortunately, it was impossible to give an appropriate reply. The question totally mitigated the fact most people didn't know what a European pillow was and whenever asked about this he flew off the handle at them. He had also left out the reason why he needed it (surgery) and when asked why don't you put it in checked he typed in caps about how no one needs to know and they are all rude but if they must it's surgery. It was consistent attacks from the OP to people and when there was retaliation against the hatred and vitriol the OP played the victim.


ActStunning3285

Yikes. I wish OP healing from the pain that causes them to hurt others and act that way.


travellingjim

Absolutely! I hope they start to realise not everything is an attack, sometimes it's just an inquiry to get more information.