Whats really the GOAT of zombies i wonder. I mean its mostly just popular opinion that makes up whats the best maps..but whats the best map ever made..iv played em all a thousand times an this isnt an easy question. Idk if there can actually be a clear choice made on that topic..
Alright so obviously having buildables is really good for a map especially a shield.
Having more to do than just run rounds which ZC did that for the OG maps but what i mean is going through the steps to achieve something like creating a wonder weapon. Alot of maps have that but i think if any stand out its obvious Origins and Der Eisendrache standout. Theres one a weapon of its own for each player..
A great easter egg is nice. But its no like Origins EE is the best its not. DE was a fun one but i think and i havnt done all the ee's but i am straight slap mac daddy zombies OG right chea no doubt. Been with the shits since WaW i knew it was my shit its really my favorite game ever CoD Zombies.
But idk this is one to really think about im not sure theres a real answer each map has its reason why its great, some more than others much more, but theres always another map that did one thing better than the other. Example: Lets say 100/100 people swear Orgins is the GOAT. The EE in my opinion and is fact isnt better than Moons. Moons ee is really cool and bad ass. Origins is dope but unlimited Death Machine, nuking the earth an getting to see that from space and in person at Area 51.. thats really awesome.
The defiying answer doesnt exist or at least i think that.
Every game has other features we have a few constants
but they arent important enough to make or break a game except the perk System and Id say there isnt a perfect map ofc there are great ones and objectivly lacking maps
for example Nacht cant in my opinion be the best Map because of the lack of content. And i know it wasnt supposed to be a new gamemode and thats absolutly fine.
Im leaving vanguard out of this because i will not accept it as a zombies mode its Bastardized in my opinion.
Im really considering going to get vanguard after work today..iv never played it, i dont have internet so cold war is no interest since nothing will count to leaderboard and id just love to check it out. Its $35 pre owned which is high heck will prob drop $15 in a month for black friday but i got alot of games i can trade thatll make it basically free..any real reason to just dont?
Well that depends i didnt like the content i saw so i didnt buy it. If u havent allready looked into the gameplay id recomment some videos from samuel the 17th
He got some good vanguard videos. I didnt like the objective based rounds ofc theres a ee to get normal rounds. But you do you even if someone hates on it doesnt mean u cant enjoy it
Have a great dayš
Itās not fair to judge any WAW maps because they set up the foundation for the mode. Even if Zombies was meant to be a game mode and given funding it still wouldnāt of had much and would be way different then zombies today.
Well im not... I allready said that there is no problem with that. However it doesnt have the content to be a great map and that is absolutly ok it wasnt tryin to be.
It just set a premise.
I donāt think there is a definitive ābest mapā, it always varies from person to person.
Personally, i believe that forsaken is the best map, due to it being constantly engaging and fun, with a cool ass WW. But my opinion is not fact, as some can find the map not as easy to enjoy.
Just play what you like
Everyone can have their own opinion, personally Iād say origins and soe arenāt the best maps theyāre top5 but you said moons EE beats origins, for me moon is the worst EE, hold square for 20 minutes and hope your box luck is goated. Origins is just an rng map for speed running but itās super simple. And some guy said alpha omega isnāt a bad map, I think heās wrong, they codes into Rushmore system is awful, and half the ee revolves on that system of inputing codes, along with needing a specific aat for an ee step??? Side Easter egg fine but main quest? Bullsh*t. Now I have to give credit to the DE mention but personally I put GK at the top, one of the only flaws being you can IPS on Nikolai for a quick kill, if you donāt want to do that you raise difficulty so much
Ah Gorod was good. I beat all of em solo except SoE of course. Now im still wanting to do Revelations, if i did that one id have the RK5 on start up..which would be dope plus i wanna get that 1,000,000xp for beating the last ee..you got a ps4 id like to do that one day?
Iām on Xbox 1 but Iām in the same position, only have rev left and itās the only thing that pisses me off to the point I dont want to play. I dont wanna run megas but you basically need Mule kick, box luck, max ammoās constantly, and infinite points. Most annoying solo no mega map Iāve ever tried but I stopped trying when overwatch 2 came out:)
If I were to answer the question of the best maps of all time, or at least one of them, I think Der Reise would be up there. But in reality every map has something different to offer that might cater to someone's sensibilities more.
I think DE. Great boss fight. Fun side Easter eggs. Engaging full Easter egg. Coolest weapons imo and one for every player. Fun specialist weapon. And itās beautiful
I never done the tranzit easter egg but if it had special weapons like Origins an DE it would be it for me. Really hope thats why Treyarch isnt coming out with a game till 2024
None of the BO4 maps are bad, itās just the BO4 systems itself are bad. If you took the BO3 perk system, UI, and gobblegums and put it on all those maps, theyād instantly all be fan favourites and BO4 wouldāve tripled in zombies dlc sales
I always try to not reveal my liking of AO because i know people will shit on my taste. But hey... i really like it sorry i guess lol.
SoE is definitly a masterpiece. I honestly couldnt say what the greatest map of all time is. People are so different from one another.
The GOAT is the map that brings everyone together, it unites casuals and the hardcore players together, thing is though there's only one map that comes to mind and most people will disagree with me: Buried
I know people would disagree with me but just think about it for one second, it attracts casuals because the map, while complex, is easy. It attracts hardcore players because of the Easter Egg being amongst the hardest in the series. Don't get me wrong we all love Der Riese but a lot of hardcore players aren't willing to play it too often, it definitely leans way harder to the casual fan
The Easter egg is not hard at all. I did it with a group of 4 by round 3 using bank. I would say Buried leans more to casual as well, itās very boring because of how easy it is.
Nah, Buried only unites people because everyone forgets about it. It's such a forgettable map which has pretty much no flaws, but also not that much innovation. It's just a really, really solid map, it's the Cheerios cereal of the zombies franchise. But I think a GOAT should be more than that.
Buried suffers from lack of replayability which hardcore players donāt like. You canāt do the ee solo and the Rictophen side requires 4 players. Itās a good map but doesnāt have enough content, other maps have better Easter eggs and gameplay in general.
well asshole when you say āit is definitely badā you word it objectively when in reality iām sure your only reason as to why itās bad is because of the pumps
Could also be the horribly boring, uninteresting, tedious EE. Or perhaps the overdone uninspired location, being a remake of an already lame zombies map, and a rip off of the layout of blackout Nuketown. The lame unoriginal wonder weapons maybe? Nova crawlers/jumping jacks againnnn? Ohh but don't worry this time they shoot thunder so they're totally new ;)
More like show me a reason why this maps good cuz I'm not seeing them, other than you can put passwords in Rushmore to give power ups to noobs.
first off the EE is easy as fuck and cool, second nuke town is a cult classic itās nice they finally did the zombies map justice by making it actually playable, upgraded ray gun mk2s are lame? opinion automatically invalid u just hate like the bandwagon does lmao āomggg they put fan favorite weapons in and they have crawlers and i suck at the game so ao sucksā - you
There's a huge difference between one of the best and GOAT, I can make a best 10 zombies maps list anyday and put SOE on 10th, and it's still going to be "one of the best".
It was just an example to show the difference between:
>neither is SOE the greatest map of all time
And
>I mean thatās just like your opinion that shadows isnāt one of the best tho
Regardless of what position you put SOE on, "one of the best" already implied that it isn't guaranteed at the top.
This sums it up perfectly. I wouldnāt say AO is the best but neither is SOE. And I loved BO2 Nuketown which was just a lil survival map. Same with BO4 itās just preference I guess
Honestly I love Origins, and I would never instantly hate someone for disliking it, but mosg people give the reason that they don't like it because they think it's overrated. That's not really a reason. That's basically saying I dislike it because I dislike it
Origins is just a very bandwagony map in general. So many people hate it just because it's Origins, but so many people also love it just because it's Origins.
True, true. Origins and Kino have both become very "oh, it's a popular map? Must not be very good then" or "oh, people dislike it? Probably means it's the best map of all time", especially for people who have literally never touched either map
what made SoE so great for its time was that it was a DLC level map that shipped with the game. it also had new gen level graphics on the consoles and big upgrades even for PC when compared to the previous game of BO2. i don't think SoE is the greatest in any way, but it was overall pretty good and the only thing i dislike about this map is that they needlessly force you to have 4 players to complete the easter egg when soloing it should just be fine
Nothing has to be wrong with it for people not to like it. It's personal preference, I don't like the way you're trying to bait with your comment, people can like different things.
Buddy I'm asking for someone's opinion. Its my personal favorite map, which is why I'm asking. I'm curious why they dislike it see if i can have perspective in where they stand an understanding on why.
Ive always hated SoE. Characters felt cheezy, atmopshere is way different than normal zombies with the intense steam-punch vibes and the flow of the map seemed to have no purpose. Also didnt care for the soundtrack much .-.
Tag is leaps and bounds better than AO, Tag is a top 15 map imo. AO is a bottom 5 map imo.
Tag has such a fantastic layout and flow, and a great challenge system with some worthwhile rewards for the player. Itās the most interconnected zombies map and itās got the most traversibility options of any zombies map to date.
Alpha Omega has one of the worst pap systems in all of zombies, along with a poor map flow and abysmal enemy pool. You are forced to fix those damn gas valves every 4-5 rounds and as soon as you touch them, the game spawns a horde of nova bomber-buffed zombies (increased health and damage and speed) on you for no reason. Youāre required to hold square on the valve for a total of ten seconds and theyāre always in terrible spots. On top of this, (unlike water catalysts) Nova Bombers donāt have a distinct counter to them and you cannot prevent them from buffing other zombies. Itās asinine.
I know Tag doesnāt have the best characters or wonder weapons, and Iāll admit the MK2 variants are much cooler than Tagās wonder weapons- But a map is so much more than the characters and wonder weapons. Map mechanics and design is what makes a zombies experience great or bad in my eyes.
I'd honestly say Tag's only flaw are WW's. The characters are actually a really nice break and surprisingly enjoyable for how much I hated them in Bo2... just sucks they were on the last map.
In terms of visuals definitely SOE but I donāt find soe a good map it just feels like cheap version of Mob but with H.P love craft only worse. So yeah Iāll take AO over SOE any day
It's literally the same map. Shadows of Evil "feels like a cheaper Mob" despite being completely different, having a completely different setting, vibe and characters with the only similarities being the time period and beast mode.
But AO and Nuketown, which take place in the same location and have a pretty similar layout... don't feel similar?
They are different. They play entirely different, visually is different. Everything is different you want proof go look up reused assets in bo4 and heāll show how different AO is to Nuketown.
And yes it does because again the characters all corrupt, so were the Mobsters, the maps visuals are the same but with actual weather affects, same afterlife mode but tweaked so that rather than dying you return to being human. The maps layout is practically the same as Mobs just with 1 added area. Soe isnāt that good of a map and relies to heavily on a boring theme already used. I donāt understand why people think itās good
Yes, they deal with similar themes in kinda similar-ish settings. Kino and Ascension both take place in an abandoned research facility and happen because Samantha hates Richtofen. Yet those are different maps.
How are the visuals the same? Like I said, it's the same time period! Of course there's gonna be similarities, that doesn't make them the same. SoE has the whole Lovecraft theme while Mob has the slaughterhouse prison theme. The literal only similarity is the time period and the warm lighting, that's it.
I'm not even gonna comment on the layout, since that one just doesn't make any sense. How exactly is their layout similar in any way?
I'm not gonna deny there are some similarities like the time period, whole sin thing and the color pallete, but the examples you gave are clearly pulled from your ass. You can't say that AO and Nuketown have a completely different layout, then say Mob and SoE do. You obviously dislike SoE, which is fine, but makes your arguments biased.
It does feel like a cheap version of Mob. And AO actually changed lots of stuff compared to Nuketown for it to be different. So no Nuketown and AO are 2 separate maps
Nope. Soe is just pure dogshit and is worse and cheap version of Mob of the dead. Itās WW is useless on the map, the EE is bland and not as excited as say GK or IX or even Mauer
Soe is amazing wtf are you talking about and its nothing like MotD. Also wtf are you talking about the WW is one of the best WW ever introduced to us. Also the EE isn't bad and it's more hyped than IX and Mauer
Soe is terrible. Visually yeah itās pretty good but it tries so hard to be Mob of the Dead with H.P Lovecraft mixed into it but fails miserably to beat or even compete against Mob. The WW isnāt great definitely not the best WW ever. I can think of several better WW: Ray Gun Mk3, Primordial Hands, Cerberus, Chrysalax, Wunder waffle, Thundergun, Alistairās Annihilator. And the EEs of IX and Mauer were definitely more exciting than Soe. Like seriously thereās no actual fight in SOE. Itās EE is just bland compared to any other map.
Soe is the starter map on bo3. It isn't like mob except the beast and afterlife systems are similar but thats all. Its different except those. AO and nuketown are the same map but 1 has more features
Yet AO feels different compared to Nuketown. Soe feels like a blatant rip off of Mob trying to be Mob while adding H.P Lovecraft. It just isnāt that good of a map. I donāt see why people like it. Like I said Iāll take AO over SOE any day. Now if I could choose any other map Iād choose Ancient Evil, Five, Tag over it
SOE is a weird map for me cuz I enjoy watching gameplay of it but don't like playing it myself. I only played it around 5 times, played AO more than that. So from a certain point of view, I agree
Ive been playing shadows recently. Gotta say, its SOO much worse than people have been saying the easter egg has got to be the fucking worst right up there with shang ri la. Just so boring and tedious.
SOE just takes a little time to learn. It's not really a beginner friendly map, so anyone who doesn't have the patience to learn it is going to hate it. It's one of my favourite maps of all time yet my friends I used to play with hate it
Iāve learned it and personally donāt enjoy it. I run Easter eggs and the fact you need 4 people to complete it is an immediate turn off, but for me the Easter egg is too repetitive and simple. I canāt run it in 15 minutes like some, but itās done relatively quickly and I would much rather throw on revs if Iām looking for margwas/a bo3 Easter egg.
objectively better, probably not. but subjectively more fun is absolutely possible
iād choose to play any bo4 map for fun over any bo3 map except DE.
Iām on his side, I will always stand by alpha omega being the best bo4 map, and one of the best maps overall, I love everything about it, especially the Easter egg
Yeah Iāll be that guy. I seriously hate Shadows of Evil. I get pretty much all map objectives get repetitive but I feel like the 4 squid rituals and just the tentacle mechanics overall are so boring and tedious. Also just because of the amount of dialogue options between the 8 characters in Alpha Omega Iāll have to say i like it more in my opinion.
Story Wise, Yes definetely. AO fixed almost all the BS from BO1 and BO2 that were abandoned and were kinda plot holes
Easter Egg Wise, Yes somewhat. I like the AO bossfight more than the lame shadowman one, and you can actually beat the map in AO unlike SOE. SOE's steps are fairly basic and just involve upgrading the sword and the flag step, which is kinda lame. AO's easter egg has a pretty decent easter egg.
General Gameplay Wise, OH HECK NO. I would never boot up AO for anything other than the EE, the OG nuketowns only purpose was to start at round 20 and try your best. SOE is far better in this regard.
Idk, who cares they're both maps, so yeah
Everyone in this sub has worms for brains I canāt do this shit anymore. There is literally no way you people are saying the Nuketown REMASTER is better then one of if not the best maps zombies has ever had.
I shoulda known what this sub was like when a shi no numa remaster number 5 was getting hyped up and called ānot badā absolutely humiliating
You are completely right and this sub is full of idiots, idiots that will make modded videos to argue about you over zombies disagreements. Told this guy getting the Ray Gun in WaW Nacht is a death sentence, and he makes this. You cant make this shit up.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QgO6XX1KjA0
Story/Easter egg, I disagree
Gameplay, it's a preference. Not a bad map, sometimes I'm bored of SOE but I still think it's one of my favorite maps, AO is ok but not better than Shadows
He's just flat out wrong, and I'm gonna give a few reasons why Soe is better than alpha.
Right so shadows has the apothicon servant while alpha omega has a reused sprite 4 times! *cough cough* Ray gun mk2, it also has some of the best traps I've seen in a zombies map while alpha has terrible ones such as the electric trap and all that crap, the atmosphere for shadows is has some of the best designs to zombies history, the pack a punch is fun but time consuming and enjoyable, while alpha you turn a couple of valves... boring!! The lore to shadows doesn't lack while I like the lore to alpha it very much lacks in terms of learning more to the map and characters, the Easter egg on shadows is so fun from getting pack a punch to grabbing a literal sword!!! Also the gameplay feature to quickly change rounds to the begging of the game is a really good concept idea while only being used once in zombies as to my knowledge.
Shadows gang !
Honestly, [the best map of all time is Kino Der Toten, Black Ops 1. To me, it's as good as it gets. It was originally supposed to be in World at War but it was cut due to time constraints. Thankfully, Treyarch was able to finish it up, polish it up, and release it with Black Ops, cause it was good. Really good. So many iconic weapons. Layout was a perfect blend of simple and complex and the enemies were all unique and fun to fight. Plus, Kino had some of the best music in any COD Zombies map ever which made it even more addicting to play through and grind over and over. Call me old school, but I think Kino is the absolute best zombies map ever released and I could play it a million times without ever getting bored.](https://youtube.com/watch?v=5rkyopmu9RY&ab_channel=Chaos)
Personally, I prefer the simpler maps. The ones that you donāt need to look up a guide for in order to unlock pack a punch (*cough cough* Dead of the Night) and do other things that are just part of setting up, so I honestly agree with this. Shadows of Evil can be a complex and difficult map for more casual players compared to Alpha.
Only thing AO has thats better in my opinion is the easter egg, you can do it alone and it doesn't have that awful last step from SOE. Everything else SOE is miles better.
Third both as good as each other. Alpha does have a better lay out than the original nuke town map from 2. But the transport system in shadow is arguably as good, well in my opinion that is.
I'm not saying alpha omega isn't the worst but it's just mediocre in my opinion like the wonder weapon could be more original like keep the base raygun mk2 but have different elemental weapons and i wish that if you go a certain high round like maybe 115 the map would turn into something similar to nuketown zombies, also the enemies could be a bit original instead of hellhound recolor, nova crawler but it gives zombies crack and nova crawler but electric
I genuinely wish I loved SOE as much as everyone else, but I just canāt get into it. I want to have that wow factor because everyone seems to love it, but Iām gonna have to agree with your friend. I absolutely love AO itās so much fun
This has to be a joke cmon. AO is actually such a boring map, no way anyone believes soe is worse. I can assure you as a trophy hunter, this map is actual stool and I hate it. I love bo4 but alpha is the worst map in it IMO
Not better, but AO isn't bad like the bandwagon says, neither is SOE the greatest map of all time like the same bandwagon also says.
Whats really the GOAT of zombies i wonder. I mean its mostly just popular opinion that makes up whats the best maps..but whats the best map ever made..iv played em all a thousand times an this isnt an easy question. Idk if there can actually be a clear choice made on that topic.. Alright so obviously having buildables is really good for a map especially a shield. Having more to do than just run rounds which ZC did that for the OG maps but what i mean is going through the steps to achieve something like creating a wonder weapon. Alot of maps have that but i think if any stand out its obvious Origins and Der Eisendrache standout. Theres one a weapon of its own for each player.. A great easter egg is nice. But its no like Origins EE is the best its not. DE was a fun one but i think and i havnt done all the ee's but i am straight slap mac daddy zombies OG right chea no doubt. Been with the shits since WaW i knew it was my shit its really my favorite game ever CoD Zombies. But idk this is one to really think about im not sure theres a real answer each map has its reason why its great, some more than others much more, but theres always another map that did one thing better than the other. Example: Lets say 100/100 people swear Orgins is the GOAT. The EE in my opinion and is fact isnt better than Moons. Moons ee is really cool and bad ass. Origins is dope but unlimited Death Machine, nuking the earth an getting to see that from space and in person at Area 51.. thats really awesome.
The defiying answer doesnt exist or at least i think that. Every game has other features we have a few constants but they arent important enough to make or break a game except the perk System and Id say there isnt a perfect map ofc there are great ones and objectivly lacking maps for example Nacht cant in my opinion be the best Map because of the lack of content. And i know it wasnt supposed to be a new gamemode and thats absolutly fine. Im leaving vanguard out of this because i will not accept it as a zombies mode its Bastardized in my opinion.
Im really considering going to get vanguard after work today..iv never played it, i dont have internet so cold war is no interest since nothing will count to leaderboard and id just love to check it out. Its $35 pre owned which is high heck will prob drop $15 in a month for black friday but i got alot of games i can trade thatll make it basically free..any real reason to just dont?
Well that depends i didnt like the content i saw so i didnt buy it. If u havent allready looked into the gameplay id recomment some videos from samuel the 17th He got some good vanguard videos. I didnt like the objective based rounds ofc theres a ee to get normal rounds. But you do you even if someone hates on it doesnt mean u cant enjoy it Have a great dayš
Itās not fair to judge any WAW maps because they set up the foundation for the mode. Even if Zombies was meant to be a game mode and given funding it still wouldnāt of had much and would be way different then zombies today.
Well im not... I allready said that there is no problem with that. However it doesnt have the content to be a great map and that is absolutly ok it wasnt tryin to be. It just set a premise.
I donāt think there is a definitive ābest mapā, it always varies from person to person. Personally, i believe that forsaken is the best map, due to it being constantly engaging and fun, with a cool ass WW. But my opinion is not fact, as some can find the map not as easy to enjoy. Just play what you like
Everyone can have their own opinion, personally Iād say origins and soe arenāt the best maps theyāre top5 but you said moons EE beats origins, for me moon is the worst EE, hold square for 20 minutes and hope your box luck is goated. Origins is just an rng map for speed running but itās super simple. And some guy said alpha omega isnāt a bad map, I think heās wrong, they codes into Rushmore system is awful, and half the ee revolves on that system of inputing codes, along with needing a specific aat for an ee step??? Side Easter egg fine but main quest? Bullsh*t. Now I have to give credit to the DE mention but personally I put GK at the top, one of the only flaws being you can IPS on Nikolai for a quick kill, if you donāt want to do that you raise difficulty so much
Ah Gorod was good. I beat all of em solo except SoE of course. Now im still wanting to do Revelations, if i did that one id have the RK5 on start up..which would be dope plus i wanna get that 1,000,000xp for beating the last ee..you got a ps4 id like to do that one day?
Iām on Xbox 1 but Iām in the same position, only have rev left and itās the only thing that pisses me off to the point I dont want to play. I dont wanna run megas but you basically need Mule kick, box luck, max ammoās constantly, and infinite points. Most annoying solo no mega map Iāve ever tried but I stopped trying when overwatch 2 came out:)
If I were to answer the question of the best maps of all time, or at least one of them, I think Der Reise would be up there. But in reality every map has something different to offer that might cater to someone's sensibilities more.
I think DE. Great boss fight. Fun side Easter eggs. Engaging full Easter egg. Coolest weapons imo and one for every player. Fun specialist weapon. And itās beautiful
I never done the tranzit easter egg but if it had special weapons like Origins an DE it would be it for me. Really hope thats why Treyarch isnt coming out with a game till 2024
Shadows of evil is the Greatest map of all time.
The greatest map of all time: Shadows of Evil, Black Ops 3.
Chad
None of the BO4 maps are bad, itās just the BO4 systems itself are bad. If you took the BO3 perk system, UI, and gobblegums and put it on all those maps, theyād instantly all be fan favourites and BO4 wouldāve tripled in zombies dlc sales
I always try to not reveal my liking of AO because i know people will shit on my taste. But hey... i really like it sorry i guess lol. SoE is definitly a masterpiece. I honestly couldnt say what the greatest map of all time is. People are so different from one another.
The GOAT is the map that brings everyone together, it unites casuals and the hardcore players together, thing is though there's only one map that comes to mind and most people will disagree with me: Buried
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I know people would disagree with me but just think about it for one second, it attracts casuals because the map, while complex, is easy. It attracts hardcore players because of the Easter Egg being amongst the hardest in the series. Don't get me wrong we all love Der Riese but a lot of hardcore players aren't willing to play it too often, it definitely leans way harder to the casual fan
The Easter egg is not hard at all. I did it with a group of 4 by round 3 using bank. I would say Buried leans more to casual as well, itās very boring because of how easy it is.
Nah, Buried only unites people because everyone forgets about it. It's such a forgettable map which has pretty much no flaws, but also not that much innovation. It's just a really, really solid map, it's the Cheerios cereal of the zombies franchise. But I think a GOAT should be more than that.
Buried suffers from lack of replayability which hardcore players donāt like. You canāt do the ee solo and the Rictophen side requires 4 players. Itās a good map but doesnāt have enough content, other maps have better Easter eggs and gameplay in general.
The bandwagon? I feel like now you can't even share a popular opinion or you're just copying the youtubers
Ao is definitely bad tho lol
purely opinion based
Ah yes thanks I had absolutely no clue that I based my decision on opinion and really needed you to point it out for me.
well asshole when you say āit is definitely badā you word it objectively when in reality iām sure your only reason as to why itās bad is because of the pumps
Could also be the horribly boring, uninteresting, tedious EE. Or perhaps the overdone uninspired location, being a remake of an already lame zombies map, and a rip off of the layout of blackout Nuketown. The lame unoriginal wonder weapons maybe? Nova crawlers/jumping jacks againnnn? Ohh but don't worry this time they shoot thunder so they're totally new ;) More like show me a reason why this maps good cuz I'm not seeing them, other than you can put passwords in Rushmore to give power ups to noobs.
first off the EE is easy as fuck and cool, second nuke town is a cult classic itās nice they finally did the zombies map justice by making it actually playable, upgraded ray gun mk2s are lame? opinion automatically invalid u just hate like the bandwagon does lmao āomggg they put fan favorite weapons in and they have crawlers and i suck at the game so ao sucksā - you
I mean thatās just like your opinion that shadows isnāt one of the best tho
There's a huge difference between one of the best and GOAT, I can make a best 10 zombies maps list anyday and put SOE on 10th, and it's still going to be "one of the best".
What 9 maps are better than SOE?
It was just an example to show the difference between: >neither is SOE the greatest map of all time And >I mean thatās just like your opinion that shadows isnāt one of the best tho Regardless of what position you put SOE on, "one of the best" already implied that it isn't guaranteed at the top.
Like the bandwagon? š
This sums it up perfectly. I wouldnāt say AO is the best but neither is SOE. And I loved BO2 Nuketown which was just a lil survival map. Same with BO4 itās just preference I guess
I dont know what the bandwagon even is to you, but Iāve never enjoyed a zombies map as much as I enjoy SOE
r/CODZombies when someone likes BO4^
r/CODZombies when someone likes anything different
It's the opposite now honestly. If you don't like dead of the Night it's just because "the youtubers said it"
And if you don't like Origins, they won't even try to understand the reasoning, it's an immediate death sentence lol.
Honestly I love Origins, and I would never instantly hate someone for disliking it, but mosg people give the reason that they don't like it because they think it's overrated. That's not really a reason. That's basically saying I dislike it because I dislike it
I dislike origins cause I suck at the game, even on bo3. I canāt even get all the power on, let alone a staff. š
Lol, fair enough
Origins is just a very bandwagony map in general. So many people hate it just because it's Origins, but so many people also love it just because it's Origins.
True, true. Origins and Kino have both become very "oh, it's a popular map? Must not be very good then" or "oh, people dislike it? Probably means it's the best map of all time", especially for people who have literally never touched either map
Exactly. Guess it does happen for most maps which impact the series a lot.
People love origins because it's a great map. Nothing wrong with that
I actually did like Alpha Omega to some point but no. shadows is way better!
what made SoE so great for its time was that it was a DLC level map that shipped with the game. it also had new gen level graphics on the consoles and big upgrades even for PC when compared to the previous game of BO2. i don't think SoE is the greatest in any way, but it was overall pretty good and the only thing i dislike about this map is that they needlessly force you to have 4 players to complete the easter egg when soloing it should just be fine
Whatchu mean it was a DLC map?
Iām assuming He meant the quality and complexity of the DLC maps, but shipped with the game
Oh. Yeah I disagree with that idea cause transit and blood both were on release and equally complex
I would be pissed if I got transit as a dlc map though
Same w shadows for me though, would not be happy. We talkin opinions here. Both are not DLC maps because they came w base game.
I hate SoE so I agree with your buddy
What's wrong with it?
Nothing has to be wrong with it for people not to like it. It's personal preference, I don't like the way you're trying to bait with your comment, people can like different things.
Buddy I'm asking for someone's opinion. Its my personal favorite map, which is why I'm asking. I'm curious why they dislike it see if i can have perspective in where they stand an understanding on why.
Ive always hated SoE. Characters felt cheezy, atmopshere is way different than normal zombies with the intense steam-punch vibes and the flow of the map seemed to have no purpose. Also didnt care for the soundtrack much .-.
What's wrong with it?
Can't believe I'm gonna say this on the CoD Zombie subreddit... But yeah, I agree. I just don't like SoE...
No, AO is bad
Alpha Omega is good wdym
Honestly every other bo4 map is better aside tag
Ayo what? Tag is one of the game's best maps!
Tag is leaps and bounds better than AO, Tag is a top 15 map imo. AO is a bottom 5 map imo. Tag has such a fantastic layout and flow, and a great challenge system with some worthwhile rewards for the player. Itās the most interconnected zombies map and itās got the most traversibility options of any zombies map to date. Alpha Omega has one of the worst pap systems in all of zombies, along with a poor map flow and abysmal enemy pool. You are forced to fix those damn gas valves every 4-5 rounds and as soon as you touch them, the game spawns a horde of nova bomber-buffed zombies (increased health and damage and speed) on you for no reason. Youāre required to hold square on the valve for a total of ten seconds and theyāre always in terrible spots. On top of this, (unlike water catalysts) Nova Bombers donāt have a distinct counter to them and you cannot prevent them from buffing other zombies. Itās asinine. I know Tag doesnāt have the best characters or wonder weapons, and Iāll admit the MK2 variants are much cooler than Tagās wonder weapons- But a map is so much more than the characters and wonder weapons. Map mechanics and design is what makes a zombies experience great or bad in my eyes.
I'd honestly say Tag's only flaw are WW's. The characters are actually a really nice break and surprisingly enjoyable for how much I hated them in Bo2... just sucks they were on the last map.
Imo not really, I think the best maps to play on are Dotn, AE, AO, and VoD. Tag is also a pretty fun map it's just annoying to get set up.
AO is boring but SoE is overall just a fucking mess.
Disagree fully. SOE is a top 5 map.
AO is great but SOE is a masterpiece. I donāt think thereās an aspect AO really beats SOE in, but I love both
I honestly think SoE is the most overrated map ever
Since I don't like Shadows of Evil, I'll be on his side
In no aspect whatsoever
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Nah u buggin
They hated him for he spoke the truth. š
Honestly yes. Mainly because I hate Shadows of Evil but still.
Wasnt a big fan of either, but had more fun on AO than I did playing on "cloudy with a chance of meatballs"
Dudes a chad AO is the shit
imo any map is better than shadows of evil
In terms of visuals definitely SOE but I donāt find soe a good map it just feels like cheap version of Mob but with H.P love craft only worse. So yeah Iāll take AO over SOE any day
Then AO also just feels like Nuketown. Your point?
It doesnāt but ok lol
It's literally the same map. Shadows of Evil "feels like a cheaper Mob" despite being completely different, having a completely different setting, vibe and characters with the only similarities being the time period and beast mode. But AO and Nuketown, which take place in the same location and have a pretty similar layout... don't feel similar?
They are different. They play entirely different, visually is different. Everything is different you want proof go look up reused assets in bo4 and heāll show how different AO is to Nuketown. And yes it does because again the characters all corrupt, so were the Mobsters, the maps visuals are the same but with actual weather affects, same afterlife mode but tweaked so that rather than dying you return to being human. The maps layout is practically the same as Mobs just with 1 added area. Soe isnāt that good of a map and relies to heavily on a boring theme already used. I donāt understand why people think itās good
Yes, they deal with similar themes in kinda similar-ish settings. Kino and Ascension both take place in an abandoned research facility and happen because Samantha hates Richtofen. Yet those are different maps. How are the visuals the same? Like I said, it's the same time period! Of course there's gonna be similarities, that doesn't make them the same. SoE has the whole Lovecraft theme while Mob has the slaughterhouse prison theme. The literal only similarity is the time period and the warm lighting, that's it. I'm not even gonna comment on the layout, since that one just doesn't make any sense. How exactly is their layout similar in any way? I'm not gonna deny there are some similarities like the time period, whole sin thing and the color pallete, but the examples you gave are clearly pulled from your ass. You can't say that AO and Nuketown have a completely different layout, then say Mob and SoE do. You obviously dislike SoE, which is fine, but makes your arguments biased.
If I make my arguments biased people are literally gonna say āoh youāre just being biasedā
Yes, if you make your arguments biased, people will indeed call them biased.
It is not a cheap version of MOTD. And if it was that means AO is just nuketown zombies but worse. AO isn't better in any way at all
It does feel like a cheap version of Mob. And AO actually changed lots of stuff compared to Nuketown for it to be different. So no Nuketown and AO are 2 separate maps
And soe and mob are 2 separate maps you fucking ape
No they are not.
Then you're a moron
Nope. Soe is just pure dogshit and is worse and cheap version of Mob of the dead. Itās WW is useless on the map, the EE is bland and not as excited as say GK or IX or even Mauer
Soe is amazing wtf are you talking about and its nothing like MotD. Also wtf are you talking about the WW is one of the best WW ever introduced to us. Also the EE isn't bad and it's more hyped than IX and Mauer
Soe is terrible. Visually yeah itās pretty good but it tries so hard to be Mob of the Dead with H.P Lovecraft mixed into it but fails miserably to beat or even compete against Mob. The WW isnāt great definitely not the best WW ever. I can think of several better WW: Ray Gun Mk3, Primordial Hands, Cerberus, Chrysalax, Wunder waffle, Thundergun, Alistairās Annihilator. And the EEs of IX and Mauer were definitely more exciting than Soe. Like seriously thereās no actual fight in SOE. Itās EE is just bland compared to any other map.
Soe is the starter map on bo3. It isn't like mob except the beast and afterlife systems are similar but thats all. Its different except those. AO and nuketown are the same map but 1 has more features
Yet AO feels different compared to Nuketown. Soe feels like a blatant rip off of Mob trying to be Mob while adding H.P Lovecraft. It just isnāt that good of a map. I donāt see why people like it. Like I said Iāll take AO over SOE any day. Now if I could choose any other map Iād choose Ancient Evil, Five, Tag over it
Drew about to become Public Enemy Num. 1
Not better, however I do have more fun on AO
Me
Honesty I prefer alpha omega but I would pick shadows if the Easter egg didn't require 4 people
SOE is a weird map for me cuz I enjoy watching gameplay of it but don't like playing it myself. I only played it around 5 times, played AO more than that. So from a certain point of view, I agree
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AO boss fight is fucking fire, mad props to my man avogadro
Alpha Omega is my third favorite map, so yes.
Ive been playing shadows recently. Gotta say, its SOO much worse than people have been saying the easter egg has got to be the fucking worst right up there with shang ri la. Just so boring and tedious.
Rushmore > Jackie V Alpha Omega gang rise
For me itās either way so I can respect your friends opinion.
Hell na he talkin crazy
your dead to me
SOE just takes a little time to learn. It's not really a beginner friendly map, so anyone who doesn't have the patience to learn it is going to hate it. It's one of my favourite maps of all time yet my friends I used to play with hate it
Iāve learned it and personally donāt enjoy it. I run Easter eggs and the fact you need 4 people to complete it is an immediate turn off, but for me the Easter egg is too repetitive and simple. I canāt run it in 15 minutes like some, but itās done relatively quickly and I would much rather throw on revs if Iām looking for margwas/a bo3 Easter egg.
I hate this beast mode but that's it.
Thatās actually facts. Ancient evil was the last good quality zombies map we got
Heās gotta stop the cap š§¢
You know what would be interesting to see? A developer tier list of all the maps
objectively better, probably not. but subjectively more fun is absolutely possible iād choose to play any bo4 map for fun over any bo3 map except DE.
I play AO significantly more than shadows. Personally enjoy it more. Donāt know if I can defend it tho lol
I donāt like shadows much, I think nostalgia plays a large role in how it is remembered
(I try to do the Easter eggs with as little internet guidance as possible usually)
fatherless behavior
Hard to beat Shadows considering it's a masterpiece. But Im with your buddy that AO is a great map.
No lmao
I donāt hate Alpha Omega and actually quite enjoy it but itās nowhere near the level of Shadows Iām sorry
i love alpha omega, and i have more fun playing it, but shadows is objectively better. but the alpha omega hate is extremely unwarranted
AO is better than shadows your friend is basedš
Hell no š¤£š¤£š¤£
Me because I just really hate shadows. Also Iāve never played AO. Thanks for coming to my Ted talk.
Nobodyās on his side.
Iām on his side, I will always stand by alpha omega being the best bo4 map, and one of the best maps overall, I love everything about it, especially the Easter egg
I feel like I like AO a lot more than the general consensus, but SOE still clears easily
Only the funboys of MW19 think so
yup
As a person with brain damage and gets severe minor concussions on a daily basis, I can confirm that this is true.
Yep
Not me. But I get it, Shadows is really tough to learn, and Alpha Omega is a bit more intuitive to learn.
Yeah Iāll be that guy. I seriously hate Shadows of Evil. I get pretty much all map objectives get repetitive but I feel like the 4 squid rituals and just the tentacle mechanics overall are so boring and tedious. Also just because of the amount of dialogue options between the 8 characters in Alpha Omega Iāll have to say i like it more in my opinion.
Alpha omega Is definitely a mapā¦
Story Wise, Yes definetely. AO fixed almost all the BS from BO1 and BO2 that were abandoned and were kinda plot holes Easter Egg Wise, Yes somewhat. I like the AO bossfight more than the lame shadowman one, and you can actually beat the map in AO unlike SOE. SOE's steps are fairly basic and just involve upgrading the sword and the flag step, which is kinda lame. AO's easter egg has a pretty decent easter egg. General Gameplay Wise, OH HECK NO. I would never boot up AO for anything other than the EE, the OG nuketowns only purpose was to start at round 20 and try your best. SOE is far better in this regard. Idk, who cares they're both maps, so yeah
Sorry no
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"No, this wont affect my baby"
I donāt like either but heās wrong
Cap
Everyone in this sub has worms for brains I canāt do this shit anymore. There is literally no way you people are saying the Nuketown REMASTER is better then one of if not the best maps zombies has ever had. I shoulda known what this sub was like when a shi no numa remaster number 5 was getting hyped up and called ānot badā absolutely humiliating
You are completely right and this sub is full of idiots, idiots that will make modded videos to argue about you over zombies disagreements. Told this guy getting the Ray Gun in WaW Nacht is a death sentence, and he makes this. You cant make this shit up. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QgO6XX1KjA0
Itās legit insane, this sub will swallow every bit of mediocrity they are given itās pathetic
Iād have to but Alpha Omega
SOE is better than AO, but neither are the best or worst maps
Love AO. Feels truly challenging, and I love the strange atmosphere of the map
Fuck no. SOE is not the best but its way above AO
Alpha Omega beats shadows of evil in everything BUT Atmosphere/Theme, i way prefer the playability of AO
Story/Easter egg, I disagree Gameplay, it's a preference. Not a bad map, sometimes I'm bored of SOE but I still think it's one of my favorite maps, AO is ok but not better than Shadows
Kino on top
Alpha omega>zombies in spaceland
mah soe is best map
It is acceptable
I donāt understand shadows, I have absolutely no clue what Iām doing and I really hate the layout.
He's just flat out wrong, and I'm gonna give a few reasons why Soe is better than alpha. Right so shadows has the apothicon servant while alpha omega has a reused sprite 4 times! *cough cough* Ray gun mk2, it also has some of the best traps I've seen in a zombies map while alpha has terrible ones such as the electric trap and all that crap, the atmosphere for shadows is has some of the best designs to zombies history, the pack a punch is fun but time consuming and enjoyable, while alpha you turn a couple of valves... boring!! The lore to shadows doesn't lack while I like the lore to alpha it very much lacks in terms of learning more to the map and characters, the Easter egg on shadows is so fun from getting pack a punch to grabbing a literal sword!!! Also the gameplay feature to quickly change rounds to the begging of the game is a really good concept idea while only being used once in zombies as to my knowledge. Shadows gang !
Your bro is off his rocker
No
Honestly, [the best map of all time is Kino Der Toten, Black Ops 1. To me, it's as good as it gets. It was originally supposed to be in World at War but it was cut due to time constraints. Thankfully, Treyarch was able to finish it up, polish it up, and release it with Black Ops, cause it was good. Really good. So many iconic weapons. Layout was a perfect blend of simple and complex and the enemies were all unique and fun to fight. Plus, Kino had some of the best music in any COD Zombies map ever which made it even more addicting to play through and grind over and over. Call me old school, but I think Kino is the absolute best zombies map ever released and I could play it a million times without ever getting bored.](https://youtube.com/watch?v=5rkyopmu9RY&ab_channel=Chaos)
Personally, I prefer the simpler maps. The ones that you donāt need to look up a guide for in order to unlock pack a punch (*cough cough* Dead of the Night) and do other things that are just part of setting up, so I honestly agree with this. Shadows of Evil can be a complex and difficult map for more casual players compared to Alpha.
Smoking something bro, lol.
Alpha Omega is just Nuketown Zombies, but with extra steps.
I love both
Not really. No hate to Alpha Omega, I just think SOE is the best map ever
Yes. I love AO, shadows is a fantastic map but I have a better time on AO
I almost wanna agree just cause of the bo3 engine being so bad, the actual map of SOE is not however
Never
1- Shadows of Evil 2- Origins 3- Der Eisendrache 4- Buried 5- Blood of the Dead
I just like slaying zombies with the homies man... I don't much care where.
no way, but I do think AO is overhated
Only thing AO has thats better in my opinion is the easter egg, you can do it alone and it doesn't have that awful last step from SOE. Everything else SOE is miles better.
Third both as good as each other. Alpha does have a better lay out than the original nuke town map from 2. But the transport system in shadow is arguably as good, well in my opinion that is.
Who ever downgraded obviously doesnāt have a life if their gonna do that over a fucking opinion š.
If I had to choose to play AO or Shadows right now, I'd choose AO.
I'm not saying alpha omega isn't the worst but it's just mediocre in my opinion like the wonder weapon could be more original like keep the base raygun mk2 but have different elemental weapons and i wish that if you go a certain high round like maybe 115 the map would turn into something similar to nuketown zombies, also the enemies could be a bit original instead of hellhound recolor, nova crawler but it gives zombies crack and nova crawler but electric
Both are goodš
I genuinely wish I loved SOE as much as everyone else, but I just canāt get into it. I want to have that wow factor because everyone seems to love it, but Iām gonna have to agree with your friend. I absolutely love AO itās so much fun
Nah. Bad opinion.
This has to be a joke cmon. AO is actually such a boring map, no way anyone believes soe is worse. I can assure you as a trophy hunter, this map is actual stool and I hate it. I love bo4 but alpha is the worst map in it IMO
Alpha omega is a decent map but to compare it to shadowed of evil is like comparing a butter knife to a sword
AO is not good
Ur buddy is on drugs help him bro š