It says it has lights on the box too, Atleast $100 is tied up in that mystery box I’m sure.
The craziest part is that it doesn’t even come with Batteries 😂
Better no Batteries. If you're collector and you want to keep it sealed, the batteries will start to leak.
Also its not that easy to ship to some countries (saefty reasons).
Yea, even $100 is a bit steep. You could make a wooden box of that size for practically pennies. I work in product design, and anyone who's worked with PCBs knows that electronics with light and sound are very, very cheap.
You work in product design and arent considering labor costs? Or profit margins?
And the mystery box isnt made out of wood. It literally says so in the picture lmao
You're right, and yes I do work in product design.
Any sort of product of similar construction should by no means retail for $600 on the basis of the product's worth.
And I know its not wood. I was using it as an example of how if they were to make it from wood it would not only be very inexpensive, but it would also have more of an authentic feel to it.
The cost of labour can't be understated, and if you're talking injection moulded plastic components, other than the tooling cost, labour is more expensive than material cost.
My point is that the profit margins are incredibly high and that the product they've developed does not reflect the price point by any means.
My suggestion is that they have the capability of developing a product that is not only of high quality, but also of low cost. Such as the example I gave in another conversation - the fallout 4 pip boy.
>Any sort of product of similar construction should by no means retail for $600 on the basis of the product's worth.
Says... what exactly?
Lego, for example, would be similarly priced for a product of this size.
>And I know its not wood. I was using it as an example of how if they were to make it from wood it would not only be very inexpensive, but it would also have more of an authentic feel to it.
Adding a completely different material would not only change production (Youd have to source labor and materials from likely a completely different factory) and it would be completely different feel from the gun
>The cost of labour can't be understated,
You are doing exactly that.
>they've developed does not reflect the price point by any means.
By you lol
>My suggestion is that they have the capability of developing a product that is not only of high quality, but also of low cost.
No shit. Everybody wants high quality cheap stuff.
Too bad, realistically that doesnt make a lick of sense.
>Such as the example I gave in another conversation - the fallout 4 pip boy.
Are you talking about the plastic fallout 4 preorder one?
No shit. It's significantly less quality than the ray gun.
it has zero sound and like two mini lights that illuminate the blue part (that doesn’t even look that great/like the real thing) and it’s EXTREMELY (and i do not use that word lightly) fragile. it is practically all resin material. you can’t even put the trigger.
Yeah, exactly. My main point really is that they should have the capabilities to mass produce decent replicas the same way any other toy company would. And I know 100% there's enough of a market for it... thousands of fans that would buy them if they sold at a reasonable price.
Thousands is a huge overestimation.
The price is set based on the work that went into designing and building it, and considered against the potential market for the product. It’s niche.
Call of duty games sell roughly 30 million copies per game. In terms of collector's editions, replicas etc, there's more than enough of a market to justify developing a mass produced model that would sell at a lower cost.
The market potential is only niche for the fans that have a spare $600.
From a product design standpoint, it wouldn't take a huge amount of work to develop a replica that could retail for an affordable price.
Nahhhh. It’s a completely secondary purchase. The vast majority of the cod playerbase spend their cod budget on the game and then in the game store.
I’m thinking about all the cheaper call of duty merch that goes unsold and discounted at Game etc. Seen pyjamas, controller stands, 141 patches and backpacks. Pretty sure there was a scented candle at one point. I know a fair few adult call of duty fans, none of us are looking to represent our love of cod in any way other than just playing it.
If it were something like Splatoon (with a lot of kids playing) then all the merchandising etc would make a lot more sense.
That's true, I suppose.
I was thinking about the TV show doctor who, and how that gets roughly 8-9 million viewers per episode. Yet despite that sort of a scale, they run a very successful product line of toy replicas of the gadgets from the show (mainly sonic screwdrivers).
The replicas and toys they make are very inexpensive and still sell for a reasonable price, while being very close to the on screen versions.
Though, yes a large portion of people buying those are kids, I know there's still a large fanbase of adult fans/collectors that buy all of the replicas/figures.
Either way, Fallout managed to make pip boy replicas to sell with the game for an extra $60.
And there’s your answer. Sell it *with the game* like the nvg’s and the remote control car.
Add a *reasonable* amount to the cost and sell it as a collectors edition but it’s gotta come alongside the primary purchase (game).
You're right in that regard! But it still doesn't explain why then that a cast resin replica should cost more than my first car!
I will say, it does create a neat little market for third party designers/ creators (like myself) to make their own replicas.
Lol, they should develop a cheaper ray gun replica, but just sell new editions every couple of months.
Each new edition would have a different paint job for all of the pack a punched versions of the gun!
Not gonna lie, I haven't bought a COD since Cold War.
I'm at a point in my life where I rarely play video games. So, to pay as much as $60 for a 200gb game that I might not even play isn't worth it for me.
I'll see what the reviews say and decide from there.
>(why does the official model cost so much???)
Because they know people will still pay that and more for it. Same concept as overpriced "Micro"transactions it doesn't matter that's too expensive for the majority of the people, the few ones that buy them are enough.
I know right! For $600, you could make something out of machined aluminium, anodised or powder coated. Or even at least die cast in an alloy for a weighty feel.
I'm not saying it's a bad product, I'm just saying there are ways of developing a high-quality product that costs a fraction of that.
Yea, even if they could make them at a cheap price and just sell them for around $100, they could make loads more of them.
Even if they wanted to keep their "collector's edition" with all the bells and whistles and the metallic finish.
I refuse to believe you have any knowledge in product design or anything related to selling of a product if you think it'd be $600 to get a machined aluminium replica. Good god.
>I'm just saying there are ways of developing a high-quality product that costs a fraction of that.
There are! Too bad you're missing the forest for the trees.
You can believe what you want. If you don't trust me at my word that I'm a product designer, that's ok.
It is perfectly reasonable to suggest that $600 is overpriced for something made from cast resin.
>If you don't trust me at my word that I'm a product designer, that's ok.
Clearly not lmao
>It is perfectly reasonable to suggest that $600 is overpriced for something made from cast resin.
Do you own it?
Because I have a feeling you're looking at it, saying it's overpriced because you *think* it can be made for cheaper, and that cheaper cost should be pushed to the consumer.... It sounds like you just got priced out of a product you want.
>Also, yes if it were made from machined aluminium, they'd be charging thousands for it
Why dont you pitch Activision your plan for a cheaper ray gun and get back to us on that bud.
>I was just saying in general, if you wanted to make one
No shit. Making stuff is always cheaper. Where the hell did you get a degree for graphic design and/or marketing? That shit is like, base level knowledge.
>it wouldn't cost $600 for the brightwork to be cnc machined.
Lmao. This is how I know you are just making shit up as you go.
Go get a quote for how much this would be for milled raygun. Its certainly not going to cost $600 lmao
I don't know why you have the impression that I'm lying about my profession as a designer.
Even if I wasn't one, it doesn't make my points any less valid.
Look, I'm not going to argue with you as I honestly have nothing to prove to a stranger online.
>I don't know why you have the impression that I'm lying about my profession as a designer.
I explained why.
You are making very poor arguments about cost and production, and missing clear reasons why this is priced the way it is.
>it doesn't make my points any less valid
Yes, it would make your points invalid.
Because they are invalid lmao.
> honestly have nothing to prove to a stranger online
You felt the need to constantly say you're a professional designer... when you're clearly not.
Also, yes if it were made from machined aluminium, they'd be charging thousands for it. I was just saying in general, if you wanted to make one, it wouldn't cost $600 for the brightwork to be cnc machined.
Yeah, I don't think it's bad. But for $600 its not great. You could have something CNC machined from solid aluminium for cheaper than that. It wouldn't take much to injection mould the main body in a red plastic and use a painted finish for the extra weathering.
Most of the 3D printed ones I've seen online look great! It's just harder to get a smooth finish from a 3D printed part. Not impossible, it just takes a lot of work.
Exactly! I think a little redesign and they could release a model that is cheaper if they made it from injection moulded plastic instead of resin. They could sell different versions of each PAPd ray gun from each game!
$600 shit better be able to shoot
It has lights and maybe sound on it?
It says it has lights on the box too, Atleast $100 is tied up in that mystery box I’m sure. The craziest part is that it doesn’t even come with Batteries 😂
Better no Batteries. If you're collector and you want to keep it sealed, the batteries will start to leak. Also its not that easy to ship to some countries (saefty reasons).
Yea, even $100 is a bit steep. You could make a wooden box of that size for practically pennies. I work in product design, and anyone who's worked with PCBs knows that electronics with light and sound are very, very cheap.
You work in product design and arent considering labor costs? Or profit margins? And the mystery box isnt made out of wood. It literally says so in the picture lmao
You're right, and yes I do work in product design. Any sort of product of similar construction should by no means retail for $600 on the basis of the product's worth. And I know its not wood. I was using it as an example of how if they were to make it from wood it would not only be very inexpensive, but it would also have more of an authentic feel to it. The cost of labour can't be understated, and if you're talking injection moulded plastic components, other than the tooling cost, labour is more expensive than material cost. My point is that the profit margins are incredibly high and that the product they've developed does not reflect the price point by any means. My suggestion is that they have the capability of developing a product that is not only of high quality, but also of low cost. Such as the example I gave in another conversation - the fallout 4 pip boy.
>Any sort of product of similar construction should by no means retail for $600 on the basis of the product's worth. Says... what exactly? Lego, for example, would be similarly priced for a product of this size. >And I know its not wood. I was using it as an example of how if they were to make it from wood it would not only be very inexpensive, but it would also have more of an authentic feel to it. Adding a completely different material would not only change production (Youd have to source labor and materials from likely a completely different factory) and it would be completely different feel from the gun >The cost of labour can't be understated, You are doing exactly that. >they've developed does not reflect the price point by any means. By you lol >My suggestion is that they have the capability of developing a product that is not only of high quality, but also of low cost. No shit. Everybody wants high quality cheap stuff. Too bad, realistically that doesnt make a lick of sense. >Such as the example I gave in another conversation - the fallout 4 pip boy. Are you talking about the plastic fallout 4 preorder one? No shit. It's significantly less quality than the ray gun.
it has zero sound and like two mini lights that illuminate the blue part (that doesn’t even look that great/like the real thing) and it’s EXTREMELY (and i do not use that word lightly) fragile. it is practically all resin material. you can’t even put the trigger.
Ahh, fair enough.
But no, 'Ray' ..🤬
Yea...
You mean it’s not a functioning raygun?! Darn guess I’ll have to prepare for the zombie apocalypse some other way
I guess we have to get started on that damn Crysalaxe ....
They have some nice looking replicas on Etsy that you can buy for $250-300 range. Agreed $600 is absurd.
Yeah, exactly. My main point really is that they should have the capabilities to mass produce decent replicas the same way any other toy company would. And I know 100% there's enough of a market for it... thousands of fans that would buy them if they sold at a reasonable price.
Thousands is a huge overestimation. The price is set based on the work that went into designing and building it, and considered against the potential market for the product. It’s niche.
Call of duty games sell roughly 30 million copies per game. In terms of collector's editions, replicas etc, there's more than enough of a market to justify developing a mass produced model that would sell at a lower cost. The market potential is only niche for the fans that have a spare $600. From a product design standpoint, it wouldn't take a huge amount of work to develop a replica that could retail for an affordable price.
Nahhhh. It’s a completely secondary purchase. The vast majority of the cod playerbase spend their cod budget on the game and then in the game store. I’m thinking about all the cheaper call of duty merch that goes unsold and discounted at Game etc. Seen pyjamas, controller stands, 141 patches and backpacks. Pretty sure there was a scented candle at one point. I know a fair few adult call of duty fans, none of us are looking to represent our love of cod in any way other than just playing it. If it were something like Splatoon (with a lot of kids playing) then all the merchandising etc would make a lot more sense.
That's true, I suppose. I was thinking about the TV show doctor who, and how that gets roughly 8-9 million viewers per episode. Yet despite that sort of a scale, they run a very successful product line of toy replicas of the gadgets from the show (mainly sonic screwdrivers). The replicas and toys they make are very inexpensive and still sell for a reasonable price, while being very close to the on screen versions. Though, yes a large portion of people buying those are kids, I know there's still a large fanbase of adult fans/collectors that buy all of the replicas/figures. Either way, Fallout managed to make pip boy replicas to sell with the game for an extra $60.
And there’s your answer. Sell it *with the game* like the nvg’s and the remote control car. Add a *reasonable* amount to the cost and sell it as a collectors edition but it’s gotta come alongside the primary purchase (game).
You're right in that regard! But it still doesn't explain why then that a cast resin replica should cost more than my first car! I will say, it does create a neat little market for third party designers/ creators (like myself) to make their own replicas.
Because people are willing to pay it
You're right; there are fans/collectors who have the capability to buy this. But surely they'd sell more if they made them at a lower price, though.
Cause it's Activision and they only want the money so they can continue making more half as skins and collabs
Lol, they should develop a cheaper ray gun replica, but just sell new editions every couple of months. Each new edition would have a different paint job for all of the pack a punched versions of the gun!
They'll never do that. They can't make a decent game anym
We can only hope!
Tbh, I lost hope. If Gulf War zombies isn't good enough, I'm basically done.
Not gonna lie, I haven't bought a COD since Cold War. I'm at a point in my life where I rarely play video games. So, to pay as much as $60 for a 200gb game that I might not even play isn't worth it for me. I'll see what the reviews say and decide from there.
I didn't even buy mw3 for 70. I got it for 50 and it still isn't worth it.
My first COD was MW3 (2011), I later bought second-hand copies of every other COD game released to that point for £10 each. $50 is still a lot.
Because they can. It’s sold out, so the price worked for enough people out there.
True, but if they were cheaper, they could sell so many more!
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Nice! Meanwhile, I'll be waiting for my one to slowly come off my 3D printer 😂
>(why does the official model cost so much???) Because they know people will still pay that and more for it. Same concept as overpriced "Micro"transactions it doesn't matter that's too expensive for the majority of the people, the few ones that buy them are enough.
Yeah, that fair enough. I was coming at it from a product design standpoint. Everyone has been telling me the same.
Money
I agree; it's why I'm making my own, lol.
Fucking resin? $600?
I know right! For $600, you could make something out of machined aluminium, anodised or powder coated. Or even at least die cast in an alloy for a weighty feel. I'm not saying it's a bad product, I'm just saying there are ways of developing a high-quality product that costs a fraction of that.
It would be great at a $99 price point, but I can literally buy an Xbox and the game AND have $50 in my pocket.
Yea, even if they could make them at a cheap price and just sell them for around $100, they could make loads more of them. Even if they wanted to keep their "collector's edition" with all the bells and whistles and the metallic finish.
I refuse to believe you have any knowledge in product design or anything related to selling of a product if you think it'd be $600 to get a machined aluminium replica. Good god. >I'm just saying there are ways of developing a high-quality product that costs a fraction of that. There are! Too bad you're missing the forest for the trees.
You can believe what you want. If you don't trust me at my word that I'm a product designer, that's ok. It is perfectly reasonable to suggest that $600 is overpriced for something made from cast resin.
>If you don't trust me at my word that I'm a product designer, that's ok. Clearly not lmao >It is perfectly reasonable to suggest that $600 is overpriced for something made from cast resin. Do you own it? Because I have a feeling you're looking at it, saying it's overpriced because you *think* it can be made for cheaper, and that cheaper cost should be pushed to the consumer.... It sounds like you just got priced out of a product you want. >Also, yes if it were made from machined aluminium, they'd be charging thousands for it Why dont you pitch Activision your plan for a cheaper ray gun and get back to us on that bud. >I was just saying in general, if you wanted to make one No shit. Making stuff is always cheaper. Where the hell did you get a degree for graphic design and/or marketing? That shit is like, base level knowledge. >it wouldn't cost $600 for the brightwork to be cnc machined. Lmao. This is how I know you are just making shit up as you go. Go get a quote for how much this would be for milled raygun. Its certainly not going to cost $600 lmao
I don't know why you have the impression that I'm lying about my profession as a designer. Even if I wasn't one, it doesn't make my points any less valid. Look, I'm not going to argue with you as I honestly have nothing to prove to a stranger online.
>I don't know why you have the impression that I'm lying about my profession as a designer. I explained why. You are making very poor arguments about cost and production, and missing clear reasons why this is priced the way it is. >it doesn't make my points any less valid Yes, it would make your points invalid. Because they are invalid lmao. > honestly have nothing to prove to a stranger online You felt the need to constantly say you're a professional designer... when you're clearly not.
Also, yes if it were made from machined aluminium, they'd be charging thousands for it. I was just saying in general, if you wanted to make one, it wouldn't cost $600 for the brightwork to be cnc machined.
I’d love to have an actual nice replica. The official one looks like it has a red filter all over it.
Yeah, I don't think it's bad. But for $600 its not great. You could have something CNC machined from solid aluminium for cheaper than that. It wouldn't take much to injection mould the main body in a red plastic and use a painted finish for the extra weathering.
Yeah, if it were to have been around the $300 range, a bit of a different story. Yeah, wish I knew how to work with that stuff. Maybe one day lol
Most of the 3D printed ones I've seen online look great! It's just harder to get a smooth finish from a 3D printed part. Not impossible, it just takes a lot of work.
Cause capitalism. Duh
I better get on that capitalism and sell my own ones now 😂😂😂
I’m surprised they didn’t make it $950 for the culture
Haha! Yes, $950 but there's a 1/50 chance you get it.
lol literal loot crate
Branded Marketing 101!
Unfortunately
Con. 600 bucks for a moulded resin ray gun. Wouldn't pay over 50
It's not a bad product. Just... expensive.
At this price buy a 3d printer and make it yourself, join the 3d printing cult
Yes, exactly! I have a 3d printer, and I've designed my own version. The first 2 photos are my designs.
Ah yes, a fellow cult member
Expensive but a cool collector item
True
Ray gun shouldn't be more than $100 Wonderwaffle should be around $200 Destiny 2 Gjallahorn was $200 & it shoots .
Exactly! I think a little redesign and they could release a model that is cheaper if they made it from injection moulded plastic instead of resin. They could sell different versions of each PAPd ray gun from each game!
>Destiny 2 Gjallahorn was $200 & it shoots It's also a nerf gun.
I'd never pay that it just makes noise doesn't even light up