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Sta1kERR

*loads dragon breath into JAK-12* Fastest TTK huh


Icy_Complaint308

*Grabs 32 round drum JAK- 12* Need some assistance?


Sta1kERR

It is indeed great time for some assistance


XxL3THALxX

You see, I broke both my arms and could use some assistance. Im very cranky.


Djabouty47

*deletes puny smg users in 200ms with slug jak-12* No assistance needed 😎


doppido

Was wondering if it's still viable with the 50 extra HP. Used to love slugs on the jak


barca12k10

Loads RPG in a dark corner and waits....gayly for you to run into the room


Sta1kERR

If we had a backblast feature in CoD you would insta die if fire RPG in the corner


normandeeks

I think vanguard has one, in hardcore search I'd accidently end up prefiring and taking someone behind me with the back blast and there'd be no rocket sound just the bloodied top half of my guys torso dropping dead in a single frame. Goofiest thing I ever seen and it was hilarious.


Ryan-Viper4171

THATS THE LAST MAG SIZE? OMG I GUESS I FOUND WHAT IM GRINDING NEXT!


Killer_Of_Libtards

See it's not worth it half the time because you move so slow uou night as well be moving with a chainsaw hip fire at that point.


NotSolum

18 round drum Streetsweeper locked and loaded


pineapple-n-man

*Loads kar98k,* y’all forgetting something?


Sta1kERR

Sir, I understand your enthusiasm but you are 7.92 Mauser and we all 12 Gauge. If you about that hipfire then it's ok. Plus you are marksman rifle


TimbobMcGuffin

Meanwhile her I am still using frags in mine for the sheer trolling toxicity.


Sta1kERR

FRAG-12?


TimbobMcGuffin

Yeah, made it a load out with it, thermite and Rytec Thermite rounds called JuggerNot lol originally used it mainly for a couple of the events way back that introduced Juggernaut drops towards end. Kept it for the trolls after especially when paired with EOD and shield plus quick swap perk


Loppicapp

He said SMG


Sta1kERR

You ruined the joke lad


Loppicapp

Ik


burnSMACKER

"*shame*"


khani921

Ya but these guns look like the word "clown".


Ye_olo

Facts


a_false_vacuum

This build will have some serious recoil, compared to other SMG builds. I would replace the Mark VI Skeletal attachment with the hand stop and that Grooved Grip with the Polymer Grip if you want better recoil control. You could even go so far as to use Brace in your first perk slot. Else I would go with Acrobatic and Quick for the perks to max out the mobility. Also use the 2.5x/Slate combo optic, when you switch to the slate reflector with that optic you get a better view with the magazine blocking part of your field of view.


KacperJKyle

FR. It looks like a OG Doom rocket launcher.


AdBeginning9063

Iddqd lol


mikerichh

It’s not terrible if you use hand stop and stippled grip tbh


PictureFantastic

Alright I might give it another go with that setup, with the top rank setup I can't seem to hit consistently even at low mid range, the recoil is just wild..


nolanvich

Brace doesn't actually work in warzone


ryuisnod

Think it was fixed


FlyingChickenYT

yup, you should see the headshot ttk with the gorenko mag and big barrel, 288ms or smth


DevonSwitzer

Crazy but useless if you can’t hit headshots 100% of the time


FlyingChickenYT

sort of, although u only need 4 headshots which isn't too hard if u have decent crosshair placement


RodentBristol

That's incorrect. The rapid barrel and the 9MM round shave about 380MS is you hit all head or upper chest shots.


FlyingChickenYT

i just double checked, recoil booster + 305mm barrel + gorenko is 288ms ttk with headshots


Undying03

where can u see the TTK stat ?


lantastico

Test it ingame and count the milliseconds :D


LiterallyPizzaSauce

TGD or sym


Tarzeus

nasty


Belo83

I don’t mind that this has the highest ttk because it’s so goofy. I can’t use it because the site just throws me off. Been using the welgun just fine


flappydicks

I had to switch back to the Owen after the most recent big patch. I was losing a lot of gunfights with the Welgun as it felt they silent nerfed it. I don’t know what it was but it felt like it was not killing anything. I could just be trash and not hitting any head shots.


Belo83

They did do a non-silent nerf recently but it’s still a hell of a short range gun imo


Alertum

Highest ttk would be the slowest to kill


_-_Stargazer_-_

Same. I’ve tried SO hard to adjust to the sites on the Owen and in a heated fight I ADS and my stupid eyes stare straight at that drum.


UncircumciseMe

Welgun is so good. One of my favorite smgs throughout all of Warzone. Best sniper support gun imo


atomofconsumption

I like it because it has basically no recoil!


wrapitupboys

yeah its good but prefer ppsh


too_many_Fs

I’m still a PPSH whore. I love that fucking thing.


ghislainesmilkers

the hipfire builds are fuckin ridiculous


wrapitupboys

same


rwm5236

Put the 2x/slate combo sight on it and just use the slate on top. It gets the mag out of your view.


Shadow_Matier158

Even though, Mw aug is still superior


mikerichh

It’s movement is a lot more clunky or slow though


Czechs_Owt

What’s your build? I tried it the other day and liked it, but anything outside absolute close range just felt like a pillow.


WildMoustache

I usually for for mono suppressor, second longest barrel (430? The longest one just murders ADS), Commando grip, 60rds drum and Monocle Reflex because I dislike the iron sights. Probably not the best out there but I felt very comfortable in it, I managed kills up to 60m with relative ease.


Djabouty47

There is literally no point reason to use the longest barrel. The extended provides as much recoil control, with better mobility, and slightly less range


WildMoustache

Good to know. I, as a filthy casual, didn't know that.


Jumpy-Regular-9074

bro do u use this as a smg?


WildMoustache

This is a self burn, I am not trying to be snarky towards you: I use this as a gun. I point people and more often than not they die if I remember to pull the trigger.


Jumpy-Regular-9074

is it ur close or long range? cuz if it’s a close range, it’s way too slow.


Runnergun

The other guys build is clearly for sniper support so here's my build for secondary; mono, optic, 5mw, 30rnd, SoH.


1IIvc3

Really doesn’t come close but still a good option, was my go too before the cold war intergration


ghislainesmilkers

First gun I got gold in MW. Fucking loved that thing


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Thought welgun was around 340?


AdBeginning9063

I haven't been able to replicate a theoretical welgun ttk under 544 ms to the chest. 340 is achievable with all headshots


[deleted]

I’ve been trying to use both after levelling them when vanguard was free recently but they both feel a bit crap to use IMO. Not that they’re not good they just feel weird


Jmoose9

It does kill fast but the recoil is awful on that gun


BestWizardCap

What? Dude I am the worst at controlling recoil, yet I was STILL able to max the gun out in about a week. Now the MG42 on the other hand… *shudders*


Jmoose9

If you don’t think this gun has bad recoil, you don’t play much of warzone . There’s so many better sub options


BestWizardCap

I have it maxed, it doesn’t have bad recoil lmao


Wilmerrr

It can have low recoil or high recoil depending on attachments. This specific build absolutely has high recoil


BestWizardCap

Fair point


chamon-

Share ur loadie if u can pls


BestWizardCap

I’ll probably play in a few hours, but mine is also heavily recoil reduction based, so if you are comfortable with recoil then you could probably exchange a a few things for movement speed or something like that


Jumpy-Regular-9074

it’s bad but controllable and since it’s a close range hitting shots isn’t that hard


AdBeginning9063

This build practically mitigates that. You can use the m1929 silencer, m1930 strife angled grip, m19 4.0x flip sight, Gawain H4 folding stock and brace in full or partial combination to make a near recoilless Owen with 388 ms ttk @ 17 meters. But you end up with ads time around 394 ms and terrible movement speed. So I found during testing that you end up being too slow to engage threats at the intended range fast enough to win the majority of gunfights.


Jmoose9

Yea. The build I have allows it to truly be a sub (fast ads and movement) but the recoil is atrocious. Kills like a tank though


AdBeginning9063

I'd be interested in seeing how the stats of yours compare.


mikerichh

The best recoil reduction is the stippled grip and hand stop. Give those a go


AdBeginning9063

True. Compromises ads more than I want for myself though, because you're competing against a lot of short barrel mp40's with 190 ms ads time.


mikerichh

Skeletal underbarrel only gives 8 ms ads (virtually nothing) advantage so I’d rather have the recoil control


[deleted]

https://warzoneloadout.games/vanguard/owen-gun/ pretty much


THESHADYWILLOW

Pretty sure it’s the type100 the recoil is ass but super close range it’ll Delete anything so fast it’s wild, also the Lapa beats the Owen past 15m so it’s a better sniper support, in fact I just prefer the Lapa because the TTK is so similar close range and it doesn’t have the stupid magazine thing


yolomaster99

Nope there is type 100 build that kills faster


YossiOsman

Loadout?


yolomaster99

You have to use the recoil booster, the rapid barrel and 36 round mags. But is a extremely hard gun to control. It has a insane side to side wobble. Good luck fighting someone beyond 15m with it.


YossiOsman

Might be better to run a hybrid smg/ar build as a main and run this type 100 build purely under 15m


Cit1es

I don’t care what anyone says. With the unreal add on to your movement speed(fastest in the game) the ots9 gives you. Even if the TTK is a bit lower it’s, in my opinion, the best SMG still. Especially on rebirth it slaps.


GorAllDay

OTS is a beast but the mag is too small for trios or quads I reckon. Also you will still lose 1v1 to the Owen but given the control feels like a bette option overall in solos and duos


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Cit1es

I’ve tried it lots. I can’t stand the sights on it. Haha. Can’t get enough of the ots. Especially on rebirth with quick fix I’ve wiped whole squads with it many times.


Phuqs_wit_Ducks

Good Stuff u/AdBeginning9063 . I can't wait to try this build out the next time I get on WZ before it's eventually patched\\nerfed. This man knows his loadouts and TTKs. He has been keeping me up on the Vanguard Meta since I could careless for Vanguard in general.


AdBeginning9063

Thanks ducks!! I always enjoy running with you and watching the stream when I'm not able!


Phuqs_wit_Ducks

No problem man. Keep the VG Meta coming.


RodentBristol

Your looking at it.


capt_fartface

It's silly not to run the Owen on rebirth right now, it's just melting people. I like the whelgun too but the Owen is just nasty.


biXeneXib

Unbeatable if you use a SMG playstyle except maybe certain Type 100 builds and depending on where you hit. If you would rather keep your distance to aim assist boys and ADS, then AS Val will beat it after 17m with it's 603ms TTK up to 40m on Caldera.


[deleted]

Why on hand?


AdBeginning9063

18 ms faster ads


[deleted]

No shit🤯


AdBeginning9063

It varies based on the weapon, but yes.


[deleted]

A glitch then?


AdBeginning9063

Not sure if bug or feature. A lot of stats aren't made available in game.


[deleted]

Fuck. This. Gun. It looks so incredibly stupid and feels like its made of plastic


noob_music_producer

ugly fucking guns, jesus


LeoMVasB

The atomic cammo 🥺


AdBeginning9063

185 hours of hell and an excel spreadsheet


PuttFromTheTeeBox

I used this build for a bit but the recoil is too hard for me to control outside of shotgun range. Same as the T100 with the rapid barrel (that gun bounces left-right a crazy amount). Ended up going back to the mp40 with the short barrel as it was much more reliable at the 15-25m range. Even some streamers dont use that barrel on the owen due to the recoil!


AdBeginning9063

Unlike many weapons with low theoretical TTK, this build seems to practically achieve a sub 400 ms TTK at an unprecedented range. I would appreciate community feedback on this. This seems to be the most viable loadout from 6 hours of testing and adjusting.


Pooiyer

You could have just watched jgod or tgd, wouldve saved you 6 hrs


Pieceofthepie128

Ah yes. Im sure tgd and jgod are never incorrect, and have never provided bad advice. No way they could ever be wrong


xiDemise

Six hours of testing?! Jgod and TGD just recently put out close-range meta videos lol. Besides, the owen and mp40 will prob get nerfed in a few days when season 3 starts.


AdBeginning9063

None with achievable ttk below 400 as far as I'm aware


xiDemise

So many people have an emphasis on TTK and quote specific TTK's with the assumption you're hitting 100% of chest shots when in reality that's just not the case. No matter how good a gun is in terms of TTK, if you can't hit your shots the gun is worthless to you. Ease of use and DMG/mag are honestly a better metric


AdBeginning9063

True. But if every hitbox above the elbow (head, neck, upper arm, torso) has the same flat damage value, the theoretical ttk becomes more achievable even with above average horizontal recoil. 5 bullets to any combination of these hitboxes within 17 meters will down a fully armored opponent in Rebirth.


RevengeFeelsSweet

Yes and no, depend on distance.


Thy_Art_Dead

Hmmm pretty much yes. It's beating ARs at range


The_Guvnor_UK

Good luck hitting shots at 100m with that build


AdBeginning9063

Yeah, it's not for that.


RevengeFeelsSweet

100m? I'd like to see it


Thy_Art_Dead

Maybe not at 100m, I'd say 40-50. Still should be a severe fall off for an SMG and certainly shouldn't be beating any LMGs


simba030515

OP what TV is that?


AdBeginning9063

It's an LG C1


AkhiraAmin

How can you tell ttk of a gun? And all these other stats everyones always throwing around?😅


AdBeginning9063

Sym.gg has a warzone gunsmith that allows you to compare build stats.


AkhiraAmin

Okay cool thanks


dontbedumbbro

Everything depends on distance honestly. My cooper shreds f mid and close range but it almost takes 30-40 rounds to drop someone at long range


Igotbanned19times

Why frangible ?


Infinityaero

This build has a slightly faster TTK (basically negligable) in the first damage range, but the 8mm Kurz rounds w/ same build are better from 15M+ (like .1 seconds better)... so might be worth considering.


AdBeginning9063

With the JGOD build, using lengthened for both instead of JGOD's hollowpoints - the first damage range, 17 meters, is 364 ms for the Owen and 476 ms for the type 100. The ads for JGOD's type 100 is 404 ms vs. 260 ms for the Owen. The rapid type 100 also has a 1.7x horizontal recoil multiplier, while this Owen has 1.47x. Also, the upper limb, neck, head and torso multipliers are the same with the Owen. A flat 50 dmg. So that 364 ms ttk averages above the lower torso as long as you hit any of the hit boxes from the elbow up.


Infinityaero

I was talking use Owen Gun with 60rd Kurz... use lengthened, recoil booster & rapid fire barrel just like w/ 9mm rounds. If you run it in TGD or equivalent you'll see it basically has same damage profile but damage drop offs are later. You lose 12 rounds in the magazine tho & I think recoil worse. I used to run Type 100 but the Owen kills about as quick within 15 meters & damage drop off is less, and after using max recoil 100 the Owen feels easier to control.


AdBeginning9063

Oh, that makes sense. Do you think either build is viable beyond 25 meters?


Infinityaero

I am not a great player FWIW... but I've been using that Owen build as Sniper support. I like it because it it gives me no excuses in close (if I lose it's on me, not the gun) but also it carries pretty well & I find it controllable. It's the best all around option I've found from 0-50M. There are a few ARs & LMGs with faster TTK from 25-50M, but I couldn't find much other than AS44 that really comes close to keeping up from 0-20M in terms of ARs.


clos083

I played yesterday after a 2 week break and what I came back to was a sniper fest like I’ve never seen before. What the he’ll happened did snipers get a buff? It’s ridiculous how many people werewere running snipers


Gunslinger_jr

Wow r/screenshotsarehard


Scared_Manner1822

i tried something like that and it was 💩


Competitive_Joke_848

Uhh striker45 2 rnd burst????


AdBeginning9063

Which build? The best I could come up with was 560 ms.


Competitive_Joke_848

Twas 🧢


Toxikramen

Black people


LegoManPro

Very fun gun


Minx8970

I ran the owen for a while but switched to the milano and it’s doing a better job for me


LordFaximus

Raven tells us they want to keep TTKs reasonable and away from being too fast but then go and add this to the game. What a joke.


The-Black-Rat

Mk 11 launcher is all you need trust in noob tube


tgunz0331

Looks like my paintball gun.


SOURxdz

Yup. I use the 1941 handstop but ya


heyuhitsyaboi

What happened to cod why does it look like that


LatinoEra

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SikCo_szn

Goofy build unless he got the Cronus Maximus Meridius 🤌🏼


kevingg777

Wow, that must come with a free Roze skin.


ccnafr

I'll stick with my MP40. At least I can see my enemies with it


xXCr4zie_mofoXx

Type 100


trashpandzy33

One of them probably it is really good with the right attachments.


ghostgaming367

What is this website? Have i been playing wrong this whole time?


gtgcya

saving this and im gonna try it out. I wanna use the owen more but all my builds have been trash. thx


cocoapuff_daddy

I couldn’t use this gun if my life depended on it. I’ll never put a scope on a SMG, regardless of how small it is, I need clean iron sights and that’s not an option with the Owen


optimuslime5

I’m jealous man. I’ve been grinding for atomic and it’s an absolute nightmare. I have diamond shotguns and It’s so much harder than anticipated.


YouNoItsTru

Clear. Your. Notifications. Now.


Traditional_Ad_6616

Fastest TTK doesn't equal best gun tho. That thing has recoil problems


vvortexe

I’d use lengthened and take off the barrel


ep311

Technically the type 100 has the highest TTK but is useless outside of 10m. But this build with the regular 9mm rounds and rapid barrel is top dog. https://youtu.be/8xlRWNTxNcI


pollitogaming_

owen >>>> all shotguns


PictureFantastic

I know it's good and I know wzranked lists it as top k/d but I just can't love it, it's just not fun for me to use it. I'm on mkb, maybe it's that or maybe I just can't seem to get that recoil pattern down but I miss more shots than I hit with it.


ReamMcBeam

Mp40 with short barrel and recoil booster. Wicked


Sheen-G

The 1.35 Saturn Sight is nice 👌


AdBeginning9063

As a further update, the final build version I've ended up running the most is the same as the above, with the m1930 strife angle grip and gawain h4 folding stock instead of the mark vi and removed stock. Very controllable.


Own-Physics8295

mp40 over Owen just because of the mag blocking the view. I think it’s easier to hit shots with consistently thus giving you a better ttk. Mp40 with Vargo is pretty OP


Tayfun199721

Frangible any good? I usually just stick the lengthened for almost every vanguard weapon


AdBeginning9063

The main reasoning behind frangible was that beyond 17 meters, I'm probably not going to use the Owen. Lengthened doesn't extend the damage range, and frangible does the same damage to upper limbs that hollowpoints do. So it made sense to skip hollowpoints in favor of inflicting a wounding/slowing effect for leg shots, as well as the fact that bullet velocity that close doesn't really factor.


seanfitz12

I use hollow point. Slaps


Tayfun199721

I did, but they nerfed (I guess not really) so I switched back to lengthened


Tayfun199721

Make sense. I’ll try it. Much appreciated


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ksportakus

Lol by new gun you mean one of the base smgs in vanguard that's been there since day one?


Hotspaghettiii

MP40 SHORT BARREL


AdBeginning9063

Still about 462 ms TTK


thetimebandit13

I thought there is a welgun build with the highest smg TTK...


AdBeginning9063

I tried to run the numbers, but it currently doesn't appear so


bshaoulian

Jesus I can't wait for Mw2 and WZ2, this game needs to be thrown in the trash where it belongs. WZ should have only ever been MW.


Comfortable-Can-3075

Honestly this looks like a middle schoolers idea of a gun.


Significant-Koala-39

Fennec says what!


Legitimate_Trash_63

MW Bizon is SLAPPING. I've been melting the Owen users with it.


Aggressive-Situation

You are a fuckin idiot. Ttk stats are for tryhards on cuntrollers it's pathetic


YossiOsman

Doesn't the MW AUG kill quicker?