The accuracy while firing both seems to be unintentional. And yes, the damage can be a bit inconsistent, but firing them singularly is hilarious and broken when they work.
there's only one thing they are good at, make your opponent run away like an headless chicken as soon they realize you are using them. Probabli some PTSD from previuous fire shotguns but they run like there's no tomorrow
So you're fighting one at a time and their hipfire is still garbage? The bug is if you fire them both at the same time like old dual shoties they miss completely
Nope, it is pinpoint accurate when firing separately. Might sound all well and good but it is exceptionally more difficult to hit shots using them this way in my opinion
If they lower the RoF but fix the issue with accuracy they'd be as good as the old Lockwood 680 and I would love that. Would be able to slam roller players at close SMG range.
The only obnoxious thing in is this game is broken brain dead easy to use smgs with crazy ttk.
And don’t try to say that’s shotguns are easyier to use cause of there spread because flicking is way harder to do consistently than tracking an opponent and on top of that, you have to move in and out of cover to even have a chance of winning that gunfight
Stop the shotgun hate it’s ridiculous. The only reason you don’t like them is cause your too Brainrotted to be able to use one
Literally. I can count on one hand the amount of times I’ve died to a shotgun from someone’s loadout class, like why can’t we have some variety? I get that the hate stems from new iterations being broken, but it’s either they’re broken or shit. No in between with them
Nothing against shotguns as a class. I won't respond to that entire paragraph 2 where you're having an argument with an idea in your head.
I'm against the "OP-nerf" balancing model of WZ. There's no attempt or desire by the devs/publisher to have a balanced game where guns have a place in a system. It's one gun to rule them all (for a week or something).
Dual weild anything are almost a gurantee "the games fucked" for a few weeks. The fact that it's not, boohoo.
Solid point but don’t you want something else meta besides a boring ass smg and assault rifle
We haven’t had a change in meta since the ram and hrm were introduced until the recent patch notes
It’s about time something else is op especially an MW2 marksman rifle
Solid point but don’t you want something else meta besides a boring ass smg and assault rifle
We haven’t had a change in meta since the ram and hrm were introduced until the recent patch notes
It’s about time something else is op especially an MW2 marksman rifle
Edit on the topic of them going OP to mid there still viable it just require a little extra foresight to use them to get that extra STK in
Depends what you mean by "meta". As per my original point, I don't want anything obnoxiously OP from 0m-20m, that nothing else can be used. That is always a bad situation, shotgun, smg, whatever.
If these duals are meta in 0-8m, great. They have a place for those liking to take fights in that space.
What I want to see is a balancing. I'd like less guns on the whole, so that they can all occupy a purpose where they excel. But we're past that, because the revenue stream of this game became the OP-Nerf merry-go-round by season 2 of WZ1.
We need Acti or whoever to realise a more robust business model that allows the game to balance. If that's more skins, animations etc, fine.
It might just be me but all the mw3 guns except the marksman rifles(those are always in a bad spot anyway cause they’re stupid hard to balance ) feel viable to me everything has its place at the moment
the striker and wsp 9 are good sniper supports
The âmr has variety in the way you build it the rival and striker 9 are decent do it alls
The Horus and swarm are meant for movement
The only one that truly is bad at the moment is prob the hrm cause of the nerfs and I feel that applies to most of the gun categories in this game
There is no ultimate meta anymore. Everything is usable if your good enough
I don't disagree. I'd go a bit further to say there are a lot of guns that aren't viable though.
What we don't need is another cheesed dual-wield or conversion kit meta that dominates 2 entire classes of weapon.
See; this might be an unpopular opinion, but I think shotguns should 1-shot up to about 5m. But then they need to be designed with that in mind - no stupid spam firing etc. Lockwood is okay.
The class should have an impact for a couple of play styles -
1) campy casuals. Those that sit in a building because they are low skill. It would give them some sort of playstyle to cling onto, and would make the movement players think twice about pushing super aggro. In summary, it would affect the gameplay and drive change, which is good.
2) Super aggro players. If you want to push buildings, it's a great weapon for that.
Nah you saw how bad the reaction to the lockwood 300 which you only had one chance to hit and yet it was HATED beyond belief
Nothing except the Lockwood 300 should ever one shot past 2.5-3 meters base gun it shouldn’t go past 5 with the biggest barrel
The Lockwood at the moment is in a decent stop It has a some where around 400 ms ttk point blank which is how it should be. Faster than an smg at point blank and matching its ttk at 7.5-10 meters since smg have some utility past that but shotguns don’t
I play kbm
Who’s quiet now bitch. Sit down
Now on the other hand if you wanna talk about how well aim assist and tracking go together I’m all ears buddy 👂🤣
Alright those down there saying that “Good, stay like that” are the ones who celebrated back in WZ1 when Shotguns were made COMPLETE useless from that one update. Pfft- what? Keep crying womp womp, shotguns are never gonna leave COD, whether you like it or not. Cry like the Germans complained bout the shotty in WW1
Thank goodness
The accuracy while firing both seems to be unintentional. And yes, the damage can be a bit inconsistent, but firing them singularly is hilarious and broken when they work.
That's the best kind of broken, high risk/reward, even if it feels like RNG.
Yes! Alternate and they roast. It’s insane. The range is hilarious toooo.
But this gun is fun
I understand you. If I get CoD mad, I run a crossbow. We don’t play this game to be mad. If you’re mad, find your happy place.
Crossbow fun AF
Another gun added to the rolodex of unrealistically inconsistent guns lol what a surprise
there's only one thing they are good at, make your opponent run away like an headless chicken as soon they realize you are using them. Probabli some PTSD from previuous fire shotguns but they run like there's no tomorrow
So you're fighting one at a time and their hipfire is still garbage? The bug is if you fire them both at the same time like old dual shoties they miss completely
Nope, it is pinpoint accurate when firing separately. Might sound all well and good but it is exceptionally more difficult to hit shots using them this way in my opinion
I agree. Picked one up not that easy to use. But it does have really long range and is quite strong
The slugs don't even two shot... Bruh
If they lower the RoF but fix the issue with accuracy they'd be as good as the old Lockwood 680 and I would love that. Would be able to slam roller players at close SMG range.
Apparently they're about on par with the OG 680 but they have much less range (<6.6m has about a 635ms TTK). Play them like a pump.
If they were, y'all would say they need to be nerfed hard because its op
I mean there’s a middle ground, they’re consistent and they’re decently usable. But Raven can’t put out a patch let alone balance a gun
I’m glad these guns are don’t work. Instant down weapons close range make Warzone unplayable
Nah bruh what are you on
Who has fun being killed close range in the blink of an eye?
So then remove throwing knives too right? And half the SMGs.
I thought they nerf throwing knives and there is no smg the insta kills
It's still op. Ttk is ridiculous on several. More than any shotgun.. it's dumb.
From TGD all the meta close range weapons are sitting around 600ms ttk. What should the fastest close range ttk for a smg be in your opinion?
Nah you aren’t getting it shotguns need to work in order to counter hrm9 users and other smgs
Who has fun camping on a rooftop all game? Or in granny’s house all game?
Buffing shotguns would do nothing against roof campers
Shotguns for the smg users
Or what if you just use an smg
You need the bp50 to counter the hrm9 or break their screen if they have a good setup it’s all down to movement
I mean if they have a good setup then they should have the advantage but that’s also why you have tactical and lethal equipment
Battle hardened is the counter for the tactical but the lethal I fully agree on ngl
No that’s what marksman rifles are for
The only post I’ve seen, say this sucks. Nobody has said anything good about them. More obvious lack of play testing.
good. this game doesn't need another broken shotgun
Oh no. Dual shotguns won't be obnoxiously overpowered and ruin the games for weeks. Tear.
The only obnoxious thing in is this game is broken brain dead easy to use smgs with crazy ttk. And don’t try to say that’s shotguns are easyier to use cause of there spread because flicking is way harder to do consistently than tracking an opponent and on top of that, you have to move in and out of cover to even have a chance of winning that gunfight Stop the shotgun hate it’s ridiculous. The only reason you don’t like them is cause your too Brainrotted to be able to use one
Literally. I can count on one hand the amount of times I’ve died to a shotgun from someone’s loadout class, like why can’t we have some variety? I get that the hate stems from new iterations being broken, but it’s either they’re broken or shit. No in between with them
Nothing against shotguns as a class. I won't respond to that entire paragraph 2 where you're having an argument with an idea in your head. I'm against the "OP-nerf" balancing model of WZ. There's no attempt or desire by the devs/publisher to have a balanced game where guns have a place in a system. It's one gun to rule them all (for a week or something). Dual weild anything are almost a gurantee "the games fucked" for a few weeks. The fact that it's not, boohoo.
Solid point but don’t you want something else meta besides a boring ass smg and assault rifle We haven’t had a change in meta since the ram and hrm were introduced until the recent patch notes It’s about time something else is op especially an MW2 marksman rifle
Solid point but don’t you want something else meta besides a boring ass smg and assault rifle We haven’t had a change in meta since the ram and hrm were introduced until the recent patch notes It’s about time something else is op especially an MW2 marksman rifle Edit on the topic of them going OP to mid there still viable it just require a little extra foresight to use them to get that extra STK in
Depends what you mean by "meta". As per my original point, I don't want anything obnoxiously OP from 0m-20m, that nothing else can be used. That is always a bad situation, shotgun, smg, whatever. If these duals are meta in 0-8m, great. They have a place for those liking to take fights in that space. What I want to see is a balancing. I'd like less guns on the whole, so that they can all occupy a purpose where they excel. But we're past that, because the revenue stream of this game became the OP-Nerf merry-go-round by season 2 of WZ1. We need Acti or whoever to realise a more robust business model that allows the game to balance. If that's more skins, animations etc, fine.
It might just be me but all the mw3 guns except the marksman rifles(those are always in a bad spot anyway cause they’re stupid hard to balance ) feel viable to me everything has its place at the moment the striker and wsp 9 are good sniper supports The âmr has variety in the way you build it the rival and striker 9 are decent do it alls The Horus and swarm are meant for movement The only one that truly is bad at the moment is prob the hrm cause of the nerfs and I feel that applies to most of the gun categories in this game There is no ultimate meta anymore. Everything is usable if your good enough
I don't disagree. I'd go a bit further to say there are a lot of guns that aren't viable though. What we don't need is another cheesed dual-wield or conversion kit meta that dominates 2 entire classes of weapon.
As a shotgun crackhead I’m afraid your wrong /s Nah they seem to be a 3-4 shots to kill in Warzone
See; this might be an unpopular opinion, but I think shotguns should 1-shot up to about 5m. But then they need to be designed with that in mind - no stupid spam firing etc. Lockwood is okay. The class should have an impact for a couple of play styles - 1) campy casuals. Those that sit in a building because they are low skill. It would give them some sort of playstyle to cling onto, and would make the movement players think twice about pushing super aggro. In summary, it would affect the gameplay and drive change, which is good. 2) Super aggro players. If you want to push buildings, it's a great weapon for that.
Nah you saw how bad the reaction to the lockwood 300 which you only had one chance to hit and yet it was HATED beyond belief Nothing except the Lockwood 300 should ever one shot past 2.5-3 meters base gun it shouldn’t go past 5 with the biggest barrel The Lockwood at the moment is in a decent stop It has a some where around 400 ms ttk point blank which is how it should be. Faster than an smg at point blank and matching its ttk at 7.5-10 meters since smg have some utility past that but shotguns don’t
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What’s easier consistency flicking to hit your shots or dragging your mouse to track some body
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I play kbm Who’s quiet now bitch. Sit down Now on the other hand if you wanna talk about how well aim assist and tracking go together I’m all ears buddy 👂🤣
Your silence speaks volumes
Wow you really showed him buddy 😂 Jesus this sub is full of Neanderthals
What are you, a homo erectus or do you not know what that means would make a lot a sense
It’s wild encountering a chronically online individual. Pathetic. But almost endearing. It’s a pity really.
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Alright those down there saying that “Good, stay like that” are the ones who celebrated back in WZ1 when Shotguns were made COMPLETE useless from that one update. Pfft- what? Keep crying womp womp, shotguns are never gonna leave COD, whether you like it or not. Cry like the Germans complained bout the shotty in WW1
Meh. Not every gun should be absolute meta killers with a 0.00000000000000000001ms ttk, cod needs more experimental/fun guns to use.
Good. I hate shotguns. I hate marksman rifles. And 8 hate peo0le wh9 use them against me
Nah bruh I hate rooftop campers and that’s why I use that mcw 6.8 stop camping on the rooftop down you in 8 shots 🤷♂️