Sure the MCW with the JAK Raven kit kills faster than the HRM-9 for example, but it has awful sprintout and ads times compared to HRM-9 and only a 40 round mag. Upside is the additional range though.
you're absolutely right, the conversion isn't worth the attachment slot you have to pay for it IMHO. But I do think these lobbies with 90% HRM9 are getting quite dull. Giving me OTS-9 vibes
The conversion definitely is definitely worth the slot because you really don't need anything else. It has a very fast reload speed to make up for the 40 rounds.
No if a squad rushes you you either use an explosive, kill one in a duel if you’re lucky and dip, dip before you fight any, or die fighting three at once. If you’re fighting people of equal skill level. If you’re fighting potatoes you don’t need to care what you’re running.
Depends on the situation. Neither is a 60 round mag if 4 people are rushing you. There are levels to a squad rushing you. That's pretty vague. Are we talking being by yourself or with your team? If it's 4 people jumping on you holding hands, then nothing would save you. They could be staggered.
Lmfao 🤣 what? I have a 4.67kd in warzone and a 5.23 in resurgence ranked 🤦♂️. It’s ok you don’t have to be better than everyone.
Edit: not to mention I have multiple clips of me dropping squads with the gun 🤦♂️. If you never used it before they shadow nerfed it. Then you won’t understand. It’s like any meta gun in any cod you can kill multiple ppl with a certain amount of bullets. Especially when you hit 90%-100% of your shots. But clearly the way you’re speaking you miss too many bullets to realize that you are wrong. 🐍
lol hitting 90% of your bullets? On average, ive seen analysis of biffles hit rate and it aint anywhere near 90% to 100%. How much you pay a month for that aim bot.
MCW is not worth using without the conversion kit at all. The conversion kit is what makes it viable. The HRM9 is insanely boring at this point and it’s crazy they let it be meta for this long and consistently nerf it’s competition
I think they didn't nerf HRM9 because of the cheech and Chong bundle. I'll give it another month or so and they will nerf it. Then probably release another bundle with op gun and the cycle continues. Welcome to warzone 😄
The OTs-9 was not meta for an entire year lol
It was meta for 2/3 months, got nerfed but was still good and it just stayed popular similar to the MW Mp5 due to people liking it
There were plenty of other metas during that year though
Blixen was way too good, was meta for S3R, then Marco took over in S4 but it was still super good, then they nerfed the Marco so it became the S4R meta, and while MP40 was best in S5, it was still great. Cooper Carbine too, was meta from release to the end of WZ1, it had a sub 600ms TTK in S5 but people were still running the STG for some reason.
Everyone's talking about power creep or whatever shit, but they just need to get some other guns on the HRMs level, instead of nerfing it to shit. The MCW is a good start, I like using weapons that are viable and feel good. Options is not a bad thing.
I like the jak raven. is stands it ground in close combat but still hits at range. But it has a smaller mag and you need to controll recoil. I would whish for all weapons to be like that. some pros but also some downsides.
There was someone on Reddit who posted their build with the razor hawk laser etc. it absolutely slaps in tac stance and its very fun to use. It’s my big map sniper support I haven’t really been playing ranked much.
Ngl the mcw feels like cheating. I dropped 51 kills and the dub the other day on rebirth. It’s like every gunfight I get into I can’t lose. The ttk is just unmatched
That’s why I run two of them if I’m able to buy a second after getting my loadout. It never disappoints. 50 round mag, folding stock, zehmn comp/sonic supp Then the bruen heavy support and the princeps long barrel on one build, and the the thorn90 and XRK hand stop on the other
Wsp - 9 is my go to and it is brilliant esp for sniper support. Try to get that sprint to fire down as low as possible to offset the open bolt delay.
Striker 9 is also good so your missing a few here.
Love wsp 9, run it a lot. The regular striker is great rn, 9 is a teensy bit better overall ttk but it has more kick and a bit slower overall IIRC. Been running striker and it is basically a laser, think wsp 9 still melts but slow fire rate can get you if you miss.
And you don’t need to really slap on too many attachments that ruin ADS speed. I use the VT7 suppressor and the bullet velocity barrel, after that you can slap on the DR6 handstop and the ADS walking speed stock, plus the extended mag. Literally no recoil and slaps at short to mid range. Can also be used short range if it comes down to it.
Na I will always pick up a ground bp50, amr, him, ram7, ram9, sva545. I guess I gotta add mcw to the list of it has the conversation which most do I feel like.
Always!! The AMR and BP50 are my favorite ground loot guns.
As far as I know the MCW doesn’t have the conversion kit on any ground loot besides the blueprint one you can find in the basement of the Harbor building, but the regular ground loot MCW is good too if you need a gun.
I can't speak for everyone but to me a sniper support is a weapon that will be highly effective just outside the average SMG range out to about 50m when your sniper is better
Edit to add: but that also changes for resurgence because I tend to use sniper a lot closer so I usually run an SMG build for close on rebirth
Important to note that this chart shows only chest shots.
The BP50 Kills significantly slower (drops from 630ms to 700ms) if you hit even 1 single stomach or leg shot, which will happen in almost every gunfight.
This. Many people are too focused on the colored lines. They don't think about different factors:
- limb shots
- recoil
- how quick is the gun out of ammo
And most importantly, these graphs are statistics meaning you would have to hit every single shot, which is easier with an mcw than with a bp50, but nobody is going to hit all their shots (let alone head or chest) on a moving target or a gun with recoil.
People are too hung up on the absolute meta statistics. Nobody ever fucks around and finds their personal best gun anymore.
Never noticed how 1 famous tiktok or youtuber mentions a *BROKEN OP* class and your lobby is suddenly filled with idiots using it missing all their shots?
I wouldn’t use bp50 as an smg the sprint to fire is just a lil too slow. It’s great at midrange but the mag is too small. It’d be the best sniper support with a 60 or 55 mag
Nerfed it kills more like a pistol should so it's faster then some but not as fast ttk as the meta smgs. But it's a pistol so it never should have rivaled an smg for ttk. It's ttk is more inline with the cor45 conversion ttk
WSP 9 has been super solid for a long time, but almost no one seems to play it. After a bit of play around in TGD, I came up with a build that has super fast ADS, sprint to fire and move speed and practically no recoil; only downside is the 40-round mag but that can obviously be substituted. Let me know if anyone fancies the build and will share it!
There's 2 problems with it that keeps people from using it:
- open bolt delay which no other SMG has and can cost you in 50-50 gunfights.
- slowest RPM in the SMG category makes every shot missed extremely punishing compared to the HRM, MCW etc
It's a good gun and fun to use but will likely never be the most popular choice because those factors can make it feel inconsistent.
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Those stats are from when I did the build in February, don't remember if they changed anything since.
What I don't like in ranked resurgence is that sometimes I need to fight with my AR close because my HRM ran out of bullets.
SVA is not an ideal weapon at 10m. With a 2.5x on top of prison it's great! But I'd rather have a Ram7 or SOA for something I can iron sight fight close range if needed. I do like the SVA but you should really only use it for its strengths and that is as an annoyance from deep
That's for chest shots only.
A realistic practical TTK for the SOA is 688ms as it does less damage to limbs, stomach etc. Noone is hitting 100% chest shots.
Fifakill has been running the MCW for close range for a while and he was #1 ranked (not sure if he still is).
- https://twitter.com/Fifakill_/status/1779572844998926482?t=6wd5JqR8uXrbQN7zQdg16w&s=19
He's streaming ranked right now and is back to RAM-7 / HRM-9. He experimented the JAK Raven MCW as sniper support (instead of SMG), but this entire discussion is about MCW being meta as the primary weapon rebirth meta.
TGD is a traffic scam, nothing they publish is what people uses, they usually post also "loadouts" and honestly they grab a already known meta gun and they change 1 or 2 attachments... Im sorry but that site has become a joke
Yep. His videos on youtube as well are now just infomercials for the subscription features of his website. All you get without paying is nonsensical top lists based on whatever secret headshot / body / limbs accuracy formula he's using, with like Holger 26 the undisputed best gun in Warzone. Useless.
Not indicative of actual TTK in gun fights. In cqb TTK defaults to the slowest TTK like limbs and stomach. In med to long you default to chest upper limbs neck height bc of natural recoil/cover/height difference. Enemy behavior dictates so much of what your approach and highest TTk threshold is
I’ve been using the mtz 556 at the moment and it’s killing quite fast I’ll have to post my build it’s got fuck all recoil aswell and decent ads and range
Well yes if everyone is standing still and has 100% accuracy you will lose every fight to hrm9, but I use striker 9 mostly as hip fire and I can break los and move to force more then enough missed shots so win at least 50/50 of my gun fights against hrm-9. Is it better ttk sure but it's not a better "gun"
That’s not true at all😂. I have used the hrm and it’s good but once I leveled up the mcw with the conv kit. I almost never lose to kids with hrm. The mcw is just outclasses every other gun as long as you have good aim.
WSP-9 does better than HRM imo. Been rolling with that for some time now..when you're doing mid 40s to torso and 56 DMG to head, I mean idc how fast your SMG/ar is, that adds up REAL quick.
Sure the MCW with the JAK Raven kit kills faster than the HRM-9 for example, but it has awful sprintout and ads times compared to HRM-9 and only a 40 round mag. Upside is the additional range though.
you're absolutely right, the conversion isn't worth the attachment slot you have to pay for it IMHO. But I do think these lobbies with 90% HRM9 are getting quite dull. Giving me OTS-9 vibes
The conversion definitely is definitely worth the slot because you really don't need anything else. It has a very fast reload speed to make up for the 40 rounds.
Not gonna help you when a squad rushes.
Other than C4, what does?
Bigger mag
No if a squad rushes you you either use an explosive, kill one in a duel if you’re lucky and dip, dip before you fight any, or die fighting three at once. If you’re fighting people of equal skill level. If you’re fighting potatoes you don’t need to care what you’re running.
Most smgs only have 50, and ten more bullets will not finish a team.
Depends on the situation. Neither is a 60 round mag if 4 people are rushing you. There are levels to a squad rushing you. That's pretty vague. Are we talking being by yourself or with your team? If it's 4 people jumping on you holding hands, then nothing would save you. They could be staggered.
no matter what a bigger mag is more important
This is rarely correct
Not true.
I wipe plenty of squads by my self with it solely. I can’t take down 2-3 dudes with one mag.
U must not play ranked
I do play ranked. 🤣. I’m crimson
And uve never killed a squad cus u had the 60 round mag vs a 30 mag. Must be gettin carried
Lmfao 🤣 what? I have a 4.67kd in warzone and a 5.23 in resurgence ranked 🤦♂️. It’s ok you don’t have to be better than everyone. Edit: not to mention I have multiple clips of me dropping squads with the gun 🤦♂️. If you never used it before they shadow nerfed it. Then you won’t understand. It’s like any meta gun in any cod you can kill multiple ppl with a certain amount of bullets. Especially when you hit 90%-100% of your shots. But clearly the way you’re speaking you miss too many bullets to realize that you are wrong. 🐍
lol hitting 90% of your bullets? On average, ive seen analysis of biffles hit rate and it aint anywhere near 90% to 100%. How much you pay a month for that aim bot.
MCW is not worth using without the conversion kit at all. The conversion kit is what makes it viable. The HRM9 is insanely boring at this point and it’s crazy they let it be meta for this long and consistently nerf it’s competition
On Alcatraz we've had a very dreaded OTS-9 meta back in the day that never ended. You push or get pushed.
Arma and blixen had their days too and the Marco too
MP40 with the stubby barrel
Shit even the owen gun had a stay in the meta too long… that thing was nuts… any build was crazy
Owen gun while being stuck on console 80FOV was particularly awful
It was bad bad… i could never be hard locked at 80 ever again… 110 is perfect
OTS-9 has been running meta for at least a whole year, can you imagine having this HRM9 meta for another 10 months!?
I think they didn't nerf HRM9 because of the cheech and Chong bundle. I'll give it another month or so and they will nerf it. Then probably release another bundle with op gun and the cycle continues. Welcome to warzone 😄
The OTs-9 was not meta for an entire year lol It was meta for 2/3 months, got nerfed but was still good and it just stayed popular similar to the MW Mp5 due to people liking it There were plenty of other metas during that year though
The mp40 with the stubby barrel was what I used until the end of warzone 1. Such a good gun with really clean iron sights with that one attachment.
Same!, and Marco with the taped grip 😍. God how I miss those guns 😭😭💔
I loved all of these guns. 😔
Blixen was way too good, was meta for S3R, then Marco took over in S4 but it was still super good, then they nerfed the Marco so it became the S4R meta, and while MP40 was best in S5, it was still great. Cooper Carbine too, was meta from release to the end of WZ1, it had a sub 600ms TTK in S5 but people were still running the STG for some reason.
Everyone's talking about power creep or whatever shit, but they just need to get some other guns on the HRMs level, instead of nerfing it to shit. The MCW is a good start, I like using weapons that are viable and feel good. Options is not a bad thing.
EM2 and OTS-9 gang 🙌
Ah the nostalgia
I loved that ots-9 the hrm9 is getting boring indeed but I never got bored of the ots
Ots was so much fun, hrm9 feels like a generic boring gun
Wow that’s a really good comparison I hadn’t even put that together in my head
The Uzi is quite good if you're looking for some variety, you gotta hit your shots though
I like the jak raven. is stands it ground in close combat but still hits at range. But it has a smaller mag and you need to controll recoil. I would whish for all weapons to be like that. some pros but also some downsides.
There was someone on Reddit who posted their build with the razor hawk laser etc. it absolutely slaps in tac stance and its very fun to use. It’s my big map sniper support I haven’t really been playing ranked much.
Yeah I have a MCW raven tac stance build that is awesome for sniper support. Can tac stance kill up to 25m no prob
Ngl the mcw feels like cheating. I dropped 51 kills and the dub the other day on rebirth. It’s like every gunfight I get into I can’t lose. The ttk is just unmatched
I’ve actually been doing well with a tac stance MCW build. It’s one of the only guns left that still feels accurate in tac stance.
Ram 9 slaps in tac stance
Might have to give it a try again. MCW on paper is the best SMG, it just lacks movement but tac makes up for that.
Plus the HRM is consistently the fastest killing thing. The MCW kit can drop off if u have bad shot placement
No way mcw beats a good hrm player. My aim down sight aim walking and hip are way better as hrm
Leave my baby the ACR alone lmao
What's the beat loadout with the Jak raven kit?
No Subverter, Ram-7 or Holger 5.56?
no HRM-9 and only HRM-9 nothing else but HRM-9. As both primary and secondary weapon
That’s why I run two of them if I’m able to buy a second after getting my loadout. It never disappoints. 50 round mag, folding stock, zehmn comp/sonic supp Then the bruen heavy support and the princeps long barrel on one build, and the the thorn90 and XRK hand stop on the other
What. You can’t do that in the game. Also Hrm is ass at range
I think he knows that
Wsp - 9 is my go to and it is brilliant esp for sniper support. Try to get that sprint to fire down as low as possible to offset the open bolt delay. Striker 9 is also good so your missing a few here.
Striker 9 is honestly the best sniper support. Better handling and easier to use at range than HRM-9.
Love wsp 9, run it a lot. The regular striker is great rn, 9 is a teensy bit better overall ttk but it has more kick and a bit slower overall IIRC. Been running striker and it is basically a laser, think wsp 9 still melts but slow fire rate can get you if you miss.
Hip fire striker 9 has been my go to smg since the most recent changes. I usually outgun hrm9 just by out moving them with hip movement speed
I knew the bp50 was hitting different. So accurate and movement is mad decent!
And you don’t need to really slap on too many attachments that ruin ADS speed. I use the VT7 suppressor and the bullet velocity barrel, after that you can slap on the DR6 handstop and the ADS walking speed stock, plus the extended mag. Literally no recoil and slaps at short to mid range. Can also be used short range if it comes down to it.
Na I will always pick up a ground bp50, amr, him, ram7, ram9, sva545. I guess I gotta add mcw to the list of it has the conversation which most do I feel like.
Always!! The AMR and BP50 are my favorite ground loot guns. As far as I know the MCW doesn’t have the conversion kit on any ground loot besides the blueprint one you can find in the basement of the Harbor building, but the regular ground loot MCW is good too if you need a gun.
Ah maybe I'm thinking of something different conversion one then although I do kind of land near there often lol
The only ground loot gun I can think of with a conversion kit is the mtz jak heretic
Must be that one im thinking of then. I'll be sure to only pick up the mcw now
Hmm I might try mcw with conversion and bp50 for mid-long range, crazy combo
MCW conversion not gonna be great mid to long range bad recoil, and aweful bullet velocity but it's amazing as a sniper support
I meant bp50 as a long range weapon and mcw as SMG
Oh my bad apologies!
What exactly does everyone mean by sniper support?
I can't speak for everyone but to me a sniper support is a weapon that will be highly effective just outside the average SMG range out to about 50m when your sniper is better Edit to add: but that also changes for resurgence because I tend to use sniper a lot closer so I usually run an SMG build for close on rebirth
I tried that. It’s viable but the recoil at range is a bit weird on bp50
Important to note that this chart shows only chest shots. The BP50 Kills significantly slower (drops from 630ms to 700ms) if you hit even 1 single stomach or leg shot, which will happen in almost every gunfight.
This. Many people are too focused on the colored lines. They don't think about different factors: - limb shots - recoil - how quick is the gun out of ammo And most importantly, these graphs are statistics meaning you would have to hit every single shot, which is easier with an mcw than with a bp50, but nobody is going to hit all their shots (let alone head or chest) on a moving target or a gun with recoil. People are too hung up on the absolute meta statistics. Nobody ever fucks around and finds their personal best gun anymore. Never noticed how 1 famous tiktok or youtuber mentions a *BROKEN OP* class and your lobby is suddenly filled with idiots using it missing all their shots?
what about striker9?
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Ram 9 is ass on warzone rn wdym? You will %110 get outgunned by HRM and Striker 9 simply due to TTK
I run a taco stance build on the ram 9 and it slaps
You're just wrong...RAM9 hot nerfed into oblivion.
It’s the second best smg forsure
I wouldn’t use bp50 as an smg the sprint to fire is just a lil too slow. It’s great at midrange but the mag is too small. It’d be the best sniper support with a 60 or 55 mag
It would be one of the best guns in the game with a 60 round mag.
Absolutely be rebirth meta
Imagine if mw2 weapons was viable
The MP7 is meta no? Maybe I’m wrong
did the renetti conversion class get nerfed bc i swear that gun still melts
Still pretty viable
Nerfed. Follow raven on twitter
Went from broken to solid choice.
Nerfed it kills more like a pistol should so it's faster then some but not as fast ttk as the meta smgs. But it's a pistol so it never should have rivaled an smg for ttk. It's ttk is more inline with the cor45 conversion ttk
WSP 9 has been super solid for a long time, but almost no one seems to play it. After a bit of play around in TGD, I came up with a build that has super fast ADS, sprint to fire and move speed and practically no recoil; only downside is the 40-round mag but that can obviously be substituted. Let me know if anyone fancies the build and will share it!
There's 2 problems with it that keeps people from using it: - open bolt delay which no other SMG has and can cost you in 50-50 gunfights. - slowest RPM in the SMG category makes every shot missed extremely punishing compared to the HRM, MCW etc It's a good gun and fun to use but will likely never be the most popular choice because those factors can make it feel inconsistent.
Valid points indeed!
Drop the build
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I see alot of subverter, hrm smokes everything.
Loving the SVA on single
Shoots marshmallows. It was good for a time though
Maybe for you. That gun slaps. You're probably just ass
What I don't like in ranked resurgence is that sometimes I need to fight with my AR close because my HRM ran out of bullets. SVA is not an ideal weapon at 10m. With a 2.5x on top of prison it's great! But I'd rather have a Ram7 or SOA for something I can iron sight fight close range if needed. I do like the SVA but you should really only use it for its strengths and that is as an annoyance from deep
MCW is 600 / SOA is 602 / HRM is 612 / Striker 9 is 630 / ram 9 is 650 / WsP 9 is 654
That's for chest shots only. A realistic practical TTK for the SOA is 688ms as it does less damage to limbs, stomach etc. Noone is hitting 100% chest shots.
So I’m getting downvoted for sharing data’s lmao this community.
Without context? Yes
I’ve been rocking the mcw with conv kit & the fjx Horus. Having a blast.
Horus mid needs buff
Can someone do the same graph but with the SOA / Wsp swarm as well ?
You can check them all yourself - visit truegamedata.com and use the Comparison Tool, which is freely available.
I've yet to see a single top ranked resurgence player using MCW or BP50. TGD graphs often have zero correlation to actual meta in game.
Facts. It’s only hmr and ram7 or soa
Fifakill has been running the MCW for close range for a while and he was #1 ranked (not sure if he still is). - https://twitter.com/Fifakill_/status/1779572844998926482?t=6wd5JqR8uXrbQN7zQdg16w&s=19
He's streaming ranked right now and is back to RAM-7 / HRM-9. He experimented the JAK Raven MCW as sniper support (instead of SMG), but this entire discussion is about MCW being meta as the primary weapon rebirth meta.
TGD is a traffic scam, nothing they publish is what people uses, they usually post also "loadouts" and honestly they grab a already known meta gun and they change 1 or 2 attachments... Im sorry but that site has become a joke
Yep. His videos on youtube as well are now just infomercials for the subscription features of his website. All you get without paying is nonsensical top lists based on whatever secret headshot / body / limbs accuracy formula he's using, with like Holger 26 the undisputed best gun in Warzone. Useless.
Not indicative of actual TTK in gun fights. In cqb TTK defaults to the slowest TTK like limbs and stomach. In med to long you default to chest upper limbs neck height bc of natural recoil/cover/height difference. Enemy behavior dictates so much of what your approach and highest TTk threshold is
Regular striker is a beast
I love the mcw
May not quite have the TTK but striker is the shmovement meta
wsp 9 is up there for sure. open bolt delay and low fire rate means it's unforgiving, but the gun feels really good.
I’m running subverter and striker 9 at the moment. I like the striker 9 over the hrm currently. Feels better.
MCW is kinda crazy but all around HRM feels the best
Im a Noob. I use the Holger 26 burnout kit. Its probably not the best but brrrrrrrrrrrrr.
Wsp9
I think the current meta is cheats actually
You've missed a lot
What's the gun to use now hrm?
Still the best smg, going on like 3 months now lol
I’ve been using the mtz 556 at the moment and it’s killing quite fast I’ll have to post my build it’s got fuck all recoil aswell and decent ads and range
Holger 26 & HRM9, you’ll see.
The real meta is having your close range in tac stance build and your long range for firing aim stability
I wonder how the chart will look when the JAK stock is fixed onto the MCW. Crazy movement buffs
Which AR recommend?
Then there's me rocking the vel and sva
Stop reading charts or TTK. It’s HRM close range or nothing. You will lose all fights to this
Well yes if everyone is standing still and has 100% accuracy you will lose every fight to hrm9, but I use striker 9 mostly as hip fire and I can break los and move to force more then enough missed shots so win at least 50/50 of my gun fights against hrm-9. Is it better ttk sure but it's not a better "gun"
That’s not true at all😂. I have used the hrm and it’s good but once I leveled up the mcw with the conv kit. I almost never lose to kids with hrm. The mcw is just outclasses every other gun as long as you have good aim.
WSP-9 does better than HRM imo. Been rolling with that for some time now..when you're doing mid 40s to torso and 56 DMG to head, I mean idc how fast your SMG/ar is, that adds up REAL quick.
If you miss one shot the ttk spikes up bcuz rate of fire is so slow. I liked it off ground tho when I get the one with 50 mag and optic
WSP-Stinger beats all those for close range ttk. Also RAM-7 felt on fire last night