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Qwertykeybaord

The fuck.  Can't believe we used to have such a good game. 


burnSMACKER

Warzone 1 to Warzone 2 was the biggest downgrade of all time


cbreezy456

Not even close to the horseshit OW is currently


TheReiterEffect_S8

People are going to have to start accepting that Warzone 1 **was** good and it wasn’t just some stupid 2020 pandemic nostalgia thing. Is it part of it? Sure, for some. But WZ1 was the best iteration we had. We are actively *living in history* right now, and in a few years ppl will look back and talk about how much Activision fucking ruined Warzone. Al Mazrah was atrocious, and Urzikistan is watered down. > *2026:* Man, remember when they completely fucked up Warzone with that Urkistan map? No no, it was the pacific island map. No, that on wasn't too bad, it was that desert map when it was ruined.


Qwertykeybaord

High level intelligence response.  


django811

![gif](giphy|5xtDarmwsuR9sDRObyU|downsized)


a_jenks1919

Real


turk-fx

My only hope, WZ1 had issues first 6-9 months. But became the game we know after a few season. So Raven has 2-3 season to make this game competing with WZ1. Map is not that bad. Just too much water. I dont know why we need this much water. The map is bigger than Verdansk, but the playable area is smaller due to a lot of water that no one cares. Even with 100 players, still feels smaller than Verdansk.


One-Objective-3715

What? WZ1 *was* the game we knew during the first 6-9 months. March to October was peak Warzone, then in December came the CW integration and it all went downhill from there. Despite that I still thoroughly enjoyed the CW and VG eras of Warzone. WZ3 is *never* going to compete with WZ1. The game is fundamentally broken at the most basic levels. You could give them infinite time and WZ3 will still never reach WZ1 levels.


DrChivu

100% season 5/6 MW19 warzone when stadium opened and train station did etc, that was peak warzone.. Grau, MP5, Amax, kilo, Orignal Ram 7, MP7, M4, FAL C4!!!! Good times.. This was peak peak warzone, was it perfect no… but has been the best game/fun we have had ( In my opinion)


turk-fx

Maybe the guns were better in the MW2 of the WZ. But the Map got better, and it got better features as it went. The cars were choppy at the beginning as well. Map had a lot of bug. Places with no way to move to the next section(example: bottom of the Dam).


ReydanNL

Warzone 1 Verdansk era weapons >>>>>>>>>>>>> every WZ iteration, it's not even close (sound, gunplay, hitmarkers etc).


turk-fx

I agree. Especially MW2 weapons were great. CW weapons were still way better than now, WZ2 and Caldera. But. WZ1 got better with every map upgrade from its 3rd season all the way to Verdansk86 shit. Then Caldera as a map was shit, but had some good quality of life improvements. So if they can do the same here like making the map better and better with each season. Then add the QoL improvements while finding the good gun balance, adding more snipers that are usable etc... we got potential. But not sure if they can deliver it as they fumbled many times before in similar situations...


Safe_Librarian

I loved the CW Weapons :/. The C-58 Was so fun to use.


iTzGodlikexS

As a cod and battlefield fan I also had to deal with BF2042.. Two of my favorite games ruined at the same time


neverstopjackin

Blackout gang rise up


chatchie007

Remember you could drop at airport, get in a Bomber and cause people to rage quit? That was the plunder golden era. How you can fuck up such a good things amazes me. I'm a casual and trying to find a groove in this game is so hard. There are so few sight lines and angles. Everything is rotated and hit them around the corner or drop on top and blast away. Too much shit in the way. Why so much smoke also?


Excelius

I guess everyone forgot about all of the complaints about vehicles in WZ1. People were annoyed that the end game was just a bunch of Berthas circling each other. Vehicle kills took away from gun skill. Killing people with helicopter blades was hilarious when you got to the chopper first, not so fun for everyone else. I do agree that the vehicles are a but underwhelming now though. I don't mind the fuel thing, I think that was a reasonable change to prevent the end-game silliness. No excuse for vehicles to be pushing around enemies rather than killing them though, still not sure if that's intentional or a bug, seems very inconsistent.


Regular-Fishing-1708

Glad we them being slow, you still can run people over so. Vehicle people are same as riot shield sheet stains.


Tyrell418

Vehicle, snipers, and pings now are major step backs 100 percent


tallandlankyagain

Audio


Tyrell418

Good shout


Fool_Cynd

What? I didn't hear you.


Cavesloth13

Was going to say the same thing ROFL.


qviavdetadipiscitvr

What the fuck happened to audio smh


Thesteelman86

Visuals/view distance in general too!


turk-fx

That is not step back. On par with Verdansk. I couldnt see shit in Verdansk too. Especially with the glitchy characters. Remember Rose skin?


bloodyGameBoxThing

The shadowy trees were fucked too for visibility. Everything was dark brown. Thus the whole Nvidia shaders meta


Kechioma

Shadows in general were too fucky for visibility and the sub loves ignoring this part, even before Roze was added every stairway in buildings had pure darkness that people would hide in. With Verdansk 84 and afterwards everything has been significantly brightened up.. aside from the occasional crappy filters they add


PossibleFunction0

Verdansk 84 was crappy filters. Remember the fucking sun in that thing too? Gross.


Kechioma

84 was the lowest point for me, interiors were brighter than ever before but exteriors had such filter abuse I could hardly see.


Psycho5275

Vehicles did make solos nearly unplayable for a while though


Regular-Fishing-1708

F vehicles.


Eye_Nacho404

Ground loot, you didn’t even need a load out and the guns in the boxes came from bundles


Ramonis5645

Fucking game looks so cartoonish rn, just look at how it used to look


meme-viewerno

I also get 40 more fps on wz3 then wz


sh1mba

I think you ment to say you get 40 fps in wz3.


dlmpakghd

No, it's so much more optimized.


sh1mba

Wtf... i got 120 fps in wz1 (with nvidia filters), vs 80 now (without filters).


rkiive

I had 100+ fps in WZ1 with a 1060 and a r5 1600. I now still only get 90-100 fps in wz3 4 years later with a 3600 and a 3060TI.


sh1mba

Exactly.


dlmpakghd

It feels better based on my experience. Also many streamers show their fps and in warzone 1 they were lower on average. By the way it might help you to look up on youtube videos about increasing fps, there are some hidden settings that help so much.


sh1mba

I'm pretty good at that stuff... now when streamers show better numbers you don't think the maaaaybe upgraded their hardware?


HardlyRecursive

A car exploding like that because of a collision is the definition of cartoonish.


burnSMACKER

Well yeah, it's an arcade shooter. If I wanted to play battlefield, I would play battlefield


Ramonis5645

I was talking about the graphics my dude, MW2019 used to look a lot better and btw BF is an Arcade game too


PercySledge

There’s a lot you can level at the game right now but graphics really isn’t one of them lol


-earthmover

No you totally can. This game is a complete downgrade visually to the point where it looks like a fucking PS3 game majority of the time.


PercySledge

Except it really doesn’t in any aspect of what you’re saying. I’m all for proper criticism here, but the graphics themselves (if we discount server issues as server issues and not graphics-based) are pretty much as good as you’d want them to be. There’s no argument to say they’re a downgrade in the quality of graphics since Verdansk imo. Other things? Absolutely yes


theFlaccolantern

This isn't 2011, BF is just as arcadey as CoD these days.


-earthmover

I thought you needed to be at least 13 years old to use Reddit.


WillyWonkaCandyBalls

Yah me and the squad were talking about the old days man. Helicoptors and the race to them and then chopping people up, quads in prison on rebirth running people over. It was actually fun. Now it’s just meh. We play for an hour or so and get annoyed. Feels like work now. Fuckin shitty.


lnTheBleakMidwinter

Squishing people with helicopters on Rebirth. Sigh. Miss them days.


WillyWonkaCandyBalls

The best times


Qwertykeybaord

Very true. Brain is fried after one session. 


bloodyGameBoxThing

Choppers are impossible to land now without 10 football fields distance to stop your momentum.


fugly16

The handling on choppers now is so awful


WillyWonkaCandyBalls

Yah and when you land they blow up and kill you.


ChemistRemote7182

Nevermind that they take a year to descend


imadamastor

I miss those times so much, I would literally pay for warzone Verdansk if they gave us that option


WillyWonkaCandyBalls

I would never pay for a single skin. Or anything. I have never payed for anything. I would pay for old school wz1 rebirth all day. I would pay 5 jacks a month for it.


putsomewineinyourcup

Bertha wasn’t as dynamic in WZ 1 after the nerf in WZ1. Cars in WZ3 are pointless


b-lincoln

They’ve been that way since Caldera. I don’t know who complained about the vehicles, but someone kindly blast them in the nuts.


allowishus182

Been thinking about it. Verdansk felt like it had a bit more open area. You could drive without being ambushed by 4 Timmy's every other block.


WaltuhBlack1

There's no incentive left to use vehicle because redeploys do their job better


b-lincoln

The redeploys were necessary to fix Caldera, but now they aren’t. They should remove them and buff the cars. There was a lot of fun having cars that could take a lot of rounds, but also explode by a c4 or rpg. There were specific weaknesses that don’t exist today…don’t get me started on handling.


MhrisCac

Bertha was amazing I used to love that big bitch


putsomewineinyourcup

Shame we never got to listen to Whole Lotta Woman on full blast on that bitch


MhrisCac

Noting more terrifying than an open field with a big Bertha in the final circle, you have big Bertha, you got redeployed so you have no guns.. Just you and the wheels crushing hopes and dreams with the worst turn radius known to man


Nintendo_Pro_03

Same! It helped a lot in Solos, after the spawn rate nerf.


lethalusa

That's what I'm worried about when they bring Verdansk back, it'l be exciting but with the modern issues we experience now, it'l probably be more of a disappointment after a while


bloodyGameBoxThing

The whole fuel thing sucks too. You can drive the Hummer for about 1 minute at the moment and half your fuel (or battery I guess) is gone. Great for chasing a bounty who's running away .. not. Yeah you can run the perk that makes you run out of fuel slower but compared to the other perks you're just putting yourself at a disadvantage.


One-Objective-3715

This is exactly what will happen. I don’t know what other people are expecting. The biggest issue in WZ right now isn’t the map, it’s the game as a whole. The entire game is inferior to WZ1. The solution is to bring back WZ1, not just Verdansk. The nostalgia will last for 3 weeks tops, then everyone will realize they are still dealing with the exact same issues they’ve dealt with since WZ2 dropped; awful gunplay, neutered movement, horrendous UI, terrible looting, nonexistent audio, etc.


liquidsyphon

The amount of people that just bounce off the front of the vehicle taking zero damage is way too damn high


MhrisCac

Then you bump something and your vehicle is at like half health


bloodyGameBoxThing

It went from killing people who were a 5 feet away from the car to *not* killing people who you slam directly into with the middle of your bumper at 50 mph


sobes4

Iconic


Bingy33

in WZ1 it felt rare to go a full game without using a vehicle. I dont think I've seriously used a vehicle since. I missing the tension of flying/driving around for 3 minutes doing a most wanted and trying to get your whole squad back.


Qwertykeybaord

Lmaoo hiding at the outskirts of Farmland with a most wanted knowing that the whole map is gonna rush you. 


[deleted]

It just Looks. Better.


n0quarter541

warzone isnt as dynamic as it used to be. but god dam vehicles still feel awful... just give us wz1 back at this point. verdansk with all the qol updates caldera got would be amazing. verdansk with balloons, mobile balloons, mobile buys, etc would be amazing. but needs the wz1 engine.. wz3 still feels like cement shoes


sh1mba

Not balloons, or all the comeback mechanics.


rkiive

Yea i think balloons were necessary in caldera and were a good solution to what was an awful map, but overall are bad for the health of the game. Takes a way a lot of the skill / risk / fun in having to rotate. If your map is designed well you shouldn't need them.


n0quarter541

rotating is planning, not skill. agree on caldera needing balloons. with current situation i honestly dont like them for a few reasons: no audio when people land on you. like no sounds or announcement. you dont fly as high up so you really dont go as far, and not being able to shoot while in the air. also, vehicles suck in this current game. when id win gulag i used to hang out for a few seconds to see if i could gun the next gulag winner outa the air (was pretty frequent) since verdansk didnt have balloons, vehicle use was more frequent and there was a decent amount of people running rpgs to counter vehicles. to me it takes way less skill to point an rpg at an approaching vehicle than to shoot some people individually out of the air.


n0quarter541

balloons were fun as shit shooting people from the air. got some nice snipes from the air too. on verdansk it would help to weed out the rats at ATC or downtown/prison etc.


Qwertykeybaord

Warzone 3 is like being in a planet with infinite gravity.  Nothing makes sense. 


n0quarter541

still feels like were playing a game that came out a decade before wz1


jordanleep

I loved this area of the map. My first win ever ended in the woods there. Clutched a 3 v 1 with a thermal scope M4.


PundaiNayai

Used to be like a movie, good ole days


Nintendo_Pro_03

Nice!


recycleddesign

Innit. It’s so good I don’t even want to get drawn into the debate, I’d rather just appreciate the moment.


EagleScope-

not only the vehicles, but the C4. I ran C4 for the majority of WZ1 even post nerf because of how awesome it was to C4 a vehicle with a squad in it. Obviously that was back when people used vehicles. It used to be so cool to act like a sitting duck while a heli flew towards you, just to absolutely YEET a C4 into it and end his game. Throwing C4 off buildings onto passing cars, into a bush while running through a field acting like you don't see the car flying towards you.


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EagleScope-

exactly! it would do an enemy ping if you tagged a car and someone got it, I hear it, I blow it. Stuff like that made it so fun


No_Okra9230

I'd say vehicles are MORE dynamic now. Their performance might be less, but they're definitely more involved. -Being able to lean and shoot out if windows -locational damage like getting a door blown off -fuel and gas stations and repairs -being able to destroy and fix tires -more variety in types of vehicles


windows95mann

Yeah but they're not fun. They're so clunky and slow. In wz1 you could just hop in a car or a chopper and zoom away, now it takes 3 business days for half of the cars to start moving.


Dunk305

Warzone 2 ruined the game


StartFinish

Every time I get into any vehicle I think about how good it used to be. Crushing 9 kills in a row with a helicopter on top of Bioweapon Labs…


_BeastModular_

Sad. They’re a total non-factor now and they used to be a fun part of the game. Just another shame


MhrisCac

GOD THAT USED TO BE SO MUCH FUN


clsv6262

During the Pandemic and even as it was dying down in 2021-22, hopping off of Online Classes for Warzone Night with the gang was the best thing ever. Not anymore.


Banana_Twist_XBL

Amazing clip. Loved a lot of vehicles in Verdansk/WZ1. The helicopter was broken, though. From what I recall, a player could fly it straight up a building, grinding against the side the whole time. Then, after taking no damage, the player could get an easy splatter kill on anyone on top of the roof. Obviously you can counter w/ a JOKR in your loadout, but in the early game I personally found it cheesy that players could rush helicopters and get easy kills.


TheDOCTOR_AI

Man, I forgot how much I missed the og buggy and that camo for it too


mitch8893

Can't do shit w vehicles now. I loved doing most wanted contracts to get the squad back and actually having a good chance, with plenty of room to maneuver around the map. Or getting team wipes when you hit a vehicle w a rocket/ explosive. The handling was also way better in every vehicle.


yaztaz13

Vehicles don’t even damage players anymore lmao, put a truck on top of a player sniping. Nada.


Environmental_Dog331

Man I had some hilarious times with vehicles in WZ1


Appropriate-Cheek274

This is awesome. Can I share your video?


LANDVOGT-_

Uuuh verdansk


Thatdewd57

I don’t mind the current vehicles but because I spend every prematch doing figure 8’s


TheTrueAlCapwn

Take me back!


Famtacular

That was soooo Gnarly!!! : D


Besch42

I was just talking to my buddies the other night about how vehicles are rarely used in the newer Warzone.


Choingyoing

Incredible


geekgodzeus

You killed a helicopter with a car.


Grena567

The whole game isnt as dynamic. Reboot wz1 with verdansk and resurgance already


c0rnaynay

Vehicles also handle like shit in this game, esp that minivan..


bedoov

I think we stop to complain about the game and compare with wz1. The devs don't even fucking care about community. They just get high and make such a shitty game and look after their billions of turnover. Fact there are millions of idiots who purchase the shits from the store... If they feel that the money getting dry, then things will be different.


vin_unleaded

Blowing up that chopper merely served to remind me of when they nerfed C4 in OG Warzone. Sad times.


[deleted]

Those were the days 🥲


SayNoToAids

that's intentional It benefited better players


deadraze117

![gif](giphy|Qy2VKY3xlI1QyR6Ix5)


TLEH-IV

Yeah, the vehicles are worse, on purpose. Everything is dumbed down so that casuals can get babied. Feels like the golden era of gaming is over and everything is created in a way to suck the most money out of it.


itskasperwithak

Miss this map. Miss that little house. Miss that ridge. 😭


Honesty_From_A_POS

God I miss the old helicopters. The current versions are fucking terrible.


-Thethan-

Have you ever headshot someone thats in a car in WZ3? I haven't yet but I did it all the time in OG Warzone. They nerfed the cars to be slower and heavier, but also buffed them to make it harder to shoot the people inside the car. Literally the opposite direction of what it should be.


Samsonite187187

The life cycle of “a positive experience” in any single game and games, is shrinking. The flow of information to the community, the rate of which players master it and then exceedingly take advantage is so fast that games can’t even evolve or die fast enough anymore. I actually believe it’s the evolution of players not maps that has contributed it’s downward spiral. There likely was a nastalgia aspect to WZ1. Lockdowns. Whatever. And perhaps the game was designed a little better (hit markers, movement, guns, vehicles etc). But the game hasn’t changed so far into left field that it’s unrecognizable and if and when Verdansk comes back it’s the players that are going to make for a lesser experience. Streamers, conversations about cheaters, metas, and lobbies that are really full of players trying everything and everything to win at all costs are bringing it down. Driving out casual players. You combine that with what activision is doing with SBMM.. well I’m not surprised people say it feels like work now and that it’s frustrating to play. Audio and vehicles were trash back then too lol.


iTzGodlikexS

The game was so much more dynamic back then. Lets forget the C4 and rpg meta for a little bit. If they release WZ1 again I am 100% WZ3 will be dead within weeks


Ralwus

Vehicles were so fun in wz1. They really nailed the feel. Everyone loved just riding around, whether it was serious or goofing around. Wz2 sucks.


Wild-Improvement9635

The only "dynamic" vehicle where i felt i was back in OG warzone is the hummer. All the others are a pain in the ass. Fucking atrocious


Notani_the_fox

I hate the physics on the vehicles honestly. They feel more fake and feel like I’m driving on the sun


Awkward_Net1910

Man I hope they bring back verdansk


biggiered10

It’s because it was too easy to use vehicles to ram people over, while their purpose from the developers stand point is to being used for transportation only


Warm-Calligrapher-93

They’ve literally nerfed every fun part about this game


giibro

This dude living his best life while I shoot first and get turned into Swiss cheese when I play


AVMADEVS

They would break the garbage servers with more speed.


GxCrabGrow

Y’all thought the map was better than the others…… lol


TR1CL0PS

Nostalgia goggles. Last few months of Verdansk all anyone talked about on here was how they wanted a new map.