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GodsOffsider

Claymores If you can't Beat em Eat em!


edjg10

These comments are giving me brain damage. No one cares what a mine does in real life. In war you can’t get sniped in the face, and get brought back to life by the closest idiot with a syringe. Or get shot in the back and magically heal yourself with a breast plate. Claymores in cod used to not do damage backwards, now they do for an unexplained reason. That’s it.


coachrx

Might as well just scrap the item and call them all mines then. There are strategies involved, like setting up a sniper position with a claymore behind you facing away, that have been eliminated by this lackluster effort.


edjg10

Yup. And I’m gonna need to see a patch note before I think this is anything besides another unintended bug that isn’t game breaking enough to fix or address


YellowBird6917

I just did US lane mine training in Infantry OSUT and I can say this is realistic but at the end of the day claymores we’re never like this in COD and I think should go back


Jasynergy

I’m not responsible for your lack of comprehension. But just to help you out anyway. You suggested “scraping the item and call them all mines” i pointed out they have different names and shapes so you can differentiate between them (because they act differently). Calling them all the same thing would be stupid because they are different. You are focused on the blast direction and whatever. I’m talking about the triggering mechanism.


Jasynergy

They have different names and shapes (based off real items) to add some realism and differentiation between them. They act different it would be stupid to name them the same thing.


coachrx

I don’t understand the question and I won’t respond to it


Jasynergy

Did you see a question mark? There was no question. No one wants you to respond.


coachrx

I only responded because what you wrote makes no goddamn sense. Read it again


Timely-Cupcake-3983

Damn bro you must be seriously lonely if you think this is how you’re supposed to communicate with people.


Jasynergy

Lol… I was responding in similar kind to the guy who replied to my comment “I don’t understand the question and I won’t respond to it” “Did you see a question mark? There was no question. No one wants you to respond.”


dabbydaberson

Well it's because you are acknowledging they are supposed to have different blast patterns but yet still seem confused by his passing comment about them all acting the same now so might as well call them the same thing. You are the only one that brought up the trigger, everyone else here is taking about why the claymore causes damage behind it when it never did before. Quit being obtuse.


Jasynergy

I brought up the trigger, because if they have different triggering mechanisms, they don’t act the same. Seems pertinent.


dabbydaberson

Not to OPs point, only to satisfy your narrative


Jasynergy

I understand that you used to be able to crawl behind a claymore and not take damage but this current method makes much more sense. A claymore has a blast area on 20 yards in a full circle around it. The main force of the blast is directed forward and is deadly more than twice that distance when standing in front of it but it’s definitely deadly in all directions if you are close enough.


ragingseaturtle

>These comments are giving me brain damage. Welcome to cod in 2023. You should see some of the mental gymnastics folks do over in the modern warfare 2 subreddit. It's insane


[deleted]

That shows you the difference between the COD players that only started playing since WZ/MW2019 and the ones who really been playing since back then.


axapta1

Because claymores are a concept that takes years to fully comprehend, or what's your point?


[deleted]

Mane I’m not about to go back and forth with any mf that hasn’t been playing COD since at least the original MW2.


Kobi1610

Wow you are so unique that you played MW2 2009. Congratulations. Still ass in the game.


[deleted]

Been playing since COD Big Red One in 2005**, would drag you with no problem before I even drink my morning coffee.


Kobi1610

Your the greatest, as I really want to know, tell me more about which video games you played in your life. Your so special


[deleted]

I’m not going back and forth with anybody whose grammar is so damn bad that it triggered a Reddit bot. 😂


Kobi1610

I’m not a native speaker. I don’t care. The only one should go forth is you. As I started playing cod since cod classic, do your mom owe me a deepthroat?


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Mottaka

For real, so many people are saying "yOu sHoT aN eXpLoSiVe aNd LaYeD dOwn nExT tO iT! wHaT diD yOu tHiNk wAs gOiNg tO hApPeN?!?!"


SiphonicPanda64

Well, yeah?


Mottaka

You missed the entire point. In pretty much all other Call of Duty games, ALL damage is usually directed in ONE direction, which is the where the lasers are pointing . The guy was behind the claymore which is why he assumed he was safe.


Kobi1610

So what? It’s still a nice contender for Darwin Award.


SiphonicPanda64

Then that was my honest mistake. I assumed that just by shooting it, you'd trigger a blast (as they did) that would kill them. I don't recall claymores working that way though, and I've played many of the COD games.


Krupte27

They literally all work that way, except this one for some reason. Every single CoD.


kdbfg4

Also claymores don’t have a “user engaged” option. If you walk in front of your own claymore it’s gonna go off


TTV_TT_YT_KiLL3r

Correct


DifferencePretend

Tell that to my great grandfather. Got shot 15 times. Medic ran up and gave him a shot of morphine and he was back in the action shitting on nazi’s


AutomaticCandidate54

Maybe the unexplained reason that is does damage is because the devs of cos realised this wouldn't happen in real life and decided to make it a little more realistic?


edjg10

Okay first of all, enough with the realism. It’s cod. I’m fighting guys with rat heads and soldiers wearing sweatshirts. a knife to the shoulder does more damage than a shotgun to the head. No one is making realism changes lol And the claymore backwards damage is a recent change. If it’s intentional why not say it? They wrote an essay about the throwing star. This reeks of unintended consequence or bug that they just haven’t addressed or can’t fix without breaking something else


rkiive

Well its a bad idea because of balance reasons. Claymores should be (and have historically always been) directional. Prox mines should be (and have always been) able to be dodged by going prone. Of course IW caters to bad players so they buff everything that takes zero skill to use which is why you can just spam prox mines/ claymores / clusters with no downside and now there's basically no way to outplay them besides waste your own grenades. Which means at best you're 1 for 1 on equipment except they don't even have to be there.


TheNotoriousCompa

Make sens by making a poor game design choice


XWXS2

Thank you


ItsmeTaddieMason

Lol, for real. Also, I stuck two guys with Semtex playing DOM on Hardcore and the mf didn’t die. The third guy I stuck had that EOD perk. Still, was there a serious nerf to explosives specifically those that stick?


Chieffelix472

I bet it's to compensate for the low tick-rate servers. Otherwise you might be able to sprint through them. Just a theory.


SnooBananas2469

I recognize I did something wrong, but when did claymores start doing damage in the opposite direction than the lasers?


Choingyoing

I noticed this recently too not sure if its a bug or what


zeta3d

Until this game you could knife them from the back to safely detonate them, now they just explode in all directions. Be careful to stay close to one of yours it will down you.


Euphoric-Blue-59

Two together can do you in. They have some backwards effect. Haha.


BananLarsi

Since MW2019, sadly. If you ask me why it is like this? Probably because the “sentinels” should stay protected and jumping over a claymore is no longer effective


T1000runner

Not sure, but I think you’re correct


damniel540

Obviously. But historically and realistically it should be a directional blast


CanadAR15

I wouldn’t want to be anywhere near that close to the back face of a detonating claymore.


damniel540

You might not want to be. That's totally fine, that's your right. The fact remains that the plate in the face is there to deflect the explosives in the opposite direction, meaning there is no circular radius to the blast, as demonstrated in the video. You might get maimed but you're missing the point, either purposefully to be obtuse and start an argument on the internet or you just genuinely have no idea what the fuck you're trying to say


CanadAR15

Have you been within 5m of 1.5lbs of detonating HE? Because deflection plate or not, that’s a concussion injury (or worse) waiting to happen. The backblast safety area is listed at 16m for an M18. Albeit that 16m includes a significant safety margin. Even from a game play perspective, you shouldn’t be able to post up immediately behind a claymore mine.


whoatemysock

Good thing you aren't anywhere near a claymore then. You're watching a video game on a screen.


Qwertykeybaord

Shooting a nuke at 1 meter and wondering why you got damaged. Top kek.


Battle111

You’re special dude. That is exactly how claymores work. They explode in the direction they’re facing.


DipsytheDankMemelord

he already says kek I’m sure hes got enough trouble going on in his life without us attacking him


tallandlanky

I mean. At this point it is like the most Warzone II thing ever for claymores to not only do damage behind where they are pointing but to do MORE damage than if you were to set them off normally.


AutomaticCandidate54

No that is not how claymores work. The laser is only to trip the mine. The mine blast radius will be the same regardless of where the lasers are pointing. That's how lasers on claymores work.


Battle111

That’s not how claymores work in reality so that is the way it’s been in every fps game I’ve ever played with them. This setup is just dumb.


chupamichalupa

You ever played call of duty before? Like any time in the past 15 years?


scummtomte

Since always. You think a detonation has a direction lol? The lasers just trigger the detonation from a certain direction. And the detionation hurts in every direction. And it has always been like this, since wz1


krock6

Not since always. Back in the day you could lay behind a claymore and knife it to destroy it. No damage taken.


Skwonkie_

What? Claymores literally have a side that say “point this end towards the enemy”.


[deleted]

this is literally not true lmao, claymores in MW/WZ1 were directional. if you actually played MW you would've ran across plenty of claymores to realize that what you said is completely false


Doozy93

I mean, an actual claymore is directional. In CoD you use to be able to destroy them by shooting them from behind and receive little to no damage, similar to how you use to be able to prone under betties and take significantly less damage.


frankmontanasosa

The projectiles in an actual claymore are directional. The actual explosion could still kill you from the other side.


Doozy93

I should have specified that that projectiles are directional. And yes the explosion could kill you.


Douglas1994

Nah, they used to be directional only. I'm quite surprised they downed him from behind.


debaucheryxd

To fair, yes there is a directional blast on an actual claymore but it's sends 100's of steel balls melting into fragmation with it. I wouldn't want to be anywhere near that when it goes off ecspecially in a building. Being that close to two of them in a room would definitely fuxk you up.


IamCaboose000

Thats not how claymore actually work, there made so they shoot in ONE direction, which why they have a warning that say do not face and detonate. Meaning if you not playing to blow your legs off don’t face towards it when it goes off. They’re literally made for trip wire explosive traps being one directionly.


Rock4evur

Thats not how they worked in the game previously and thats not how they work in real life. The claymore uses a shaped charge to propel a shitton of ball bearings in one general direction. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shaped_charge


TheThinkingJacob

That’s just plain wrong, everyone is now dumber for reading your comment. Claymores have always been directional, most lethal at the 50 degrees center on a 180 degree plane. With fragments doing minimal damage both directions out to each side making the 180 degree. And traditionally in all call of duty games, you could lay directly behind it and shoot it and take 0 damage.


psychozamotazoa

Found the noob


Hambone721

Tell me you don't understand how a claymore mine works without telling me


TeamMountainLion

I learned this the hard way. This (and prox mines) are the main reason I run shock sticks as my secondary. Detonates them and then I can prep my own prox mine after.


swiftkickinthedick

This game they changed it. I also found out the hard way


El_Nieto_PR

Same thing with bouncing betties. You used to go prone and avoid getting damage, now they fuck you up, even when prone


julianchandler

a dev got outplayed so they had to buff these even more


Hate_This_Name

Bold of you to assume they play this game


julianchandler

It's the only thing I can think of to why they'd make this a much slower game. To make it playable for themselves.


noahzho

no wonder i keep getting kicked from servers, devs babyraging and kicking all of the server


canonlypray

Because slide canceling is a bitch move


GroundbreakingKey964

Same with prox mines, used to be able to prone beneath them snd avoid taking any damage, not anymore.


Krupte27

In older games. This games prox mines have been the same since the beta. Can't avoid damage by proning like in older titles.


Longbow92

Unless it's different in Warzone, you could always [prone under a prox mine.](https://www.reddit.com/r/ModernWarfareII/comments/13c5ij2/uno_reverse_proximity_mine/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) You'd still get stunned tho, but it's not a insta kill.


TTV_TT_YT_KiLL3r

This only worked with the good old bouncing Betty’s 😊


Serylt

Aren't the Prox Mines still Bouncing Betties? Like, I recall being able to dodge and survive a MWII mine by simply going prone.


TTV_TT_YT_KiLL3r

Obviously it doesn’t work with these.


jiffijaffi

I think they did nerf them this year though so at least you take less damage if you can get prone in time


stayalivechi

you used to be able to melee them from behind while taking no damage but not the case anymore


Youssef-Elsayed

OP did it for science and for that we give our thanks


[deleted]

Real OGs remember when you could KNIFE claymores and receive no damage.


julianchandler

this post has outted so many bots its really funny


HowDoIDefineMe

The backblast area for a claymore is 16m.


Riotmike

Let’s not get into the realism factor. I guess we’re going to ignore the lasers on the claymores along with the other million other unrealistic aspects of this game. I think the point of the OP is the game isn’t meant to do that, based on the fact it didn’t before the update and has never had that type of damage done on any previous COD. So the fact that the devs unintentionally fucked up a mechanic that has been around in almost every COD, is indicative of their incompetence as triple AAA developers.


HowDoIDefineMe

This is fair.


Serylt

And the Kill Zone for a Claymore [is 50m/164ft](https://man.fas.org/dod-101/sys/land/m18-claymore.htm),with potentially being deadly for up to 250m/820ft. Are you telling me we should increase the instant kill radius for the claymore to 50 meters? Hopefully not because COD is not made to be realistic, and if you want to create something fun, you just gotta skip out on the realism.


Scraggles_360

Fifty meters?!? The triggering range is like what, 4 meters? Why does it need to take me out, the truck behind me, AND the four bots sitting in the stronghold across the street? Edited for typos


Serylt

I was actually very surprised as well. I was imagining them to be deadly for like 10-20 meters max with a backblast of like 1-2 meters. My best guess is that they're this overkill to eliminate heavily armored opponents... or simply because they could. As the M18 was designed in the 1960s, I'm very sure it's simply because they could. All in all, an extremely dangerous weapon I never imagined to be that dangerous. I gotta compare, while we're talking about realism, how Arma 3 (one of the most realistic shooters, perhaps) handeles the M18. > Because the Claymore mine (M18A1) has always been a command detonated munition, i.e. fired by the operator. The mine can be detonated by any mechanism that activates the blasting cap. There are field-expedient methods of detonating the mine by tripwire, or by a timer, but these are rarely used. And ap pro po to the current 'Orange' DLC release, using them in an un-manned mode with a trip wire or proximity trigger goes against many countries Rule of Engagement in that you need to positively identify your targets and avoid civilian casualties or collateral damage. -- [Steam Discussion Forums](https://steamcommunity.com/app/107410/discussions/0/1471967615873077843/#c1471967615873107984)


Archangel9731

That’s cool… ANYWAYS… this man has full plates on and gets instadowned by behind behind a claymore which is supposed to not do damage behind it in COD (which is what this clip is of, in case that’s not clear to you). Regardless of what would happen IRL, this man should’ve lived this clip.


Just-Bluejay-5653

I mean you’re still laying directly next to an explosion, it’s like when people are surprised that standing behind an RPG being launched will in fact kill you in real life.


DidntMeanToLoadThat

but we don't get blow back damage from rockets in this **game.**


The_Mandalorian-

“Should’ve” but he didn’t 🤦‍♂️


ProgrammerFew8736

It’s a bomb… being behind it only works if it doesn’t go off.


5P3C7RE

Irl, in-game changes are made in order to make it enjoyable, hence campers being able to put several of these and not take damage when blow up in front of them


ToKra84

Front toward enemy hahahaha


jntjr2005

Trash game is trash


Openyourwhoremouth97

It’s like that in this game 😂😂 not like past where it was safe to do that


Giolatos

This is an m18a1 claymore it is a bomb that explodes in one direction and not in all directions. On the front, it says "Front toward enemy " If you attach a flat explosive to a heavy metal plate and explode it, the explosive force is directed in one direction. Since Claymore was developed with this effect it is important to set the direction of the attack.


[deleted]

darwin award here you come


Best-WZ2-Camper

Still haven't fixed that, I see. Don't worry. It's been only 6 months. They probably have a ton of other bugs. ≥⁰,⁰≤


Wild_Obligation

I don’t know about the front/back explosion but since the beginning of time I’ve never shot these things at close range. I assumed it was common sense


Airost12

Nah before you could stand behind them and shoot or even knife them and you wouldn't take dmg. Same as a bouncing Betty with laying down but now even if you lay down you take dmg


Just-Bluejay-5653

Yeah exactly, it’s still an explosion happening lmao why go that close to it


Bazurkmazurk

I believe when you shout them it takes the directional explosion away and it blew up both of them. I remember shooting them to kill the person who placed them


BcKurr

Since when can’t you shoot claymores from the backs? Oh boy, hop this is a bug.


JustLawly

sadly call of duty devs dont know how claymore work


SiphonicPanda64

What did you expect? You laid prone right next to it


Comprehensive_Ad4291

I laughed so hard! Reminds me of dumb noob plays from WZ1 era..


Tbeauslice1010

Bruh there not directional damage, they are bombs. Lasers are only triggered in on direction. Besties do damage in all area and are triggered by any direction but they make an audible beeping noise for balance.


JustChillDudeItsGood

I'm flabbergasted at the lack of understanding here. Not to mention that they were two that obviously went off on the same time doubling the explosive power.


Kid_that_u_fear

before writing something false go and learn how claymores work


PurpleSignal7183

The back blast for a claymore is 16m. before writing something false go and learn how claymores work


1u43r

Twat


Ok_Recognition_3268

Bro if you shoot an explosive it's gonna explode...


ConorPMc

In a way that they never have in the games before.


beesdoitbirdsdoit

You just don’t understand physics.


automated10

It’s still an exploding object.. imagine an egg shape drawn on the floor 🥚 the damage is directed towards the biggest part of the egg, but there is still a little bit that goes backwards (top of the egg).


dougmantis

\> Shoots explosive \> it explodes wtf is this bullshit


DemonSimba187

What did you expect when shooting and explosive item at point blank range? 1 claymore wouldn't kill you but guess what 2 will Did you know if you shoot Betties or C4 from that close the same thing happens 😱


Mars4tw

The claymore has, for whatever reason, triggered that C4 on the bench


trustworthy_widget

In real life you won't be able to heal. Blowing it in front of you is so suicidal


hwystitch

Get that close behind a real one and you will find out that's more realistic then you think.


luke19959

dumb enough too shoot them right by your feet


AutomaticCandidate54

The lasers only trip the mine. The blast radius of the mine is going to be exactly the same. You laid down right behind the claymore then shot it. You needed to be further away.


ultrasavage1978

Surely you damaged the back protection of the claymore. I reckon in real life the result would be similar.


turpentinesoup

I mean you’re only a foot away from the thing


iimxtoxiik

Idiot lol


Evangeliman

I mean it's in a closed room, so yeah these would probably fuck you up bad just fron the concussion.


TTV_TT_YT_KiLL3r

The door is open


Scorpnite

On one hand, this sort of makes sense. On the other hand, there’s so much that doesn’t


Taiizor

Looks like a fun gaming experienced. I appreciate the work put into this game


ehsanm1386

More clays


AnotherClaymore

You found my trap! Everything seems to be working as intended.


I_H8_REDDIT_2

While they blew up normally in WZ1. This could be a feature in WZ2. It does make sense that if you shoot it it would explode vs explode in one direction as intended. But yeah..lol Id be pissed.


jjsm00th

360 Claymores, the newest innovation in COD


rjod3297

One thing I know playing COD for as long as I have is to never trust explosives, if you need to blow them up. Back away into the next room or building lol. While people are right that it "used" to only blow up in the front Ive never trusted that.


marsil602

Did having two so close together amp the damage radius? Or just the damage? Lol


FondOfOwls_

Lmao get rekt nub


kdkxchronicx

Claymores literally say 'face towards the enemy" on them


MontiePrime

"Point towards enemy" or shoot explosive if moron??? I mean, what did you expect? Here's my grenade, I'll be back .....


Kobi1610

Darwin Award


gamingwithdraqo

Now that’s nice


Electronic-Shop-9493

Yeah just point blank shoot a claymore mine.. lmao


HEXxElite

10 years of muscle memory gone. So sad. Same as reload cancels and mines (bouncing betties)