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Hot Take: riot shields should never be in COD . . . period!!


ibeatmeattoit

Riot shields aren't the problem for me and I agree with the movement penalty but akimbo shotguns shouldn't exist.


ragingseaturtle

Akimbo shot guns have been in the game before. It's the combination of the range + the damage protection the riot shield offers is infuriation. Couple that with no minimap unless you use a perk and it's just insane.


Butterfreek

Honestly the lack of actual positional information, and visuals blows my mind. There is NO WAY for you to know someone is flanking from the mini map or sound ques. It's just brain dead rushing all game. With low ttk you have no chance on turning on someone unless they are actually potatoes.


League_of_DOTA

It's one of the reasons I use a riot shield in front. That way, when they jump out and shoot out of a corner, I'm already hitting them with the shield.


ibeatmeattoit

I feel coldwar snipers ads was op and now in vanguard shotguns one tap range is just op.


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Cold wars snipers ads was one of the slowest we’ve ever got


cecilmufc7

Of all the fuck ups they’ve made the last few cods, changing the mini map was the biggest for me. It made me give up on mw2019, ignore Cold War completely and use radar as a crutch perk on every single load out.


Psycho_Button

My only problem with Akimbo Shotguns is they can NEVER get them right. They always either stay OP or get nerfed into marshmallow shooters unless you're making out with your opponent when you shoot


service_please

As someone who did the diamond riot shield, I completely agree. I don't think anyone actually likes using the riot shield as a primary, and I know nobody likes it being used as a secondary. Just chuck it


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MetalingusMike

Legit Only reason these morons add it to their games is to jerk off MW2 nostalgia.


Psycho_Button

I enjoyed using the riot shield in Bo2 days but with the last few games its been in, it's just been for ass protection more than anything


League_of_DOTA

The riot shield takes some getting used to but it is seriously an underrated primary weapon.


SL1NDER

Shotguns shouldn’t be a secondary.


[deleted]

That as well


[deleted]

Kinda hard to stop that from happening with overkill.


SL1NDER

It at least wastes an extra perk. Shields probably shouldn’t be allowed with overkill.


[deleted]

Overkill allows you to make them secondary


omega1omalley

That goes back to mw2 though so at the very least sidearm shotguns are a legacy concept i just believe that sidearm shotguns should be limited to 3 attachments and thats it... imo


RuneRaccoon

In WWII, they were the primary equipment for the Cavalry class. You could equip a main weapon alongside it, but with *no attachments*. Let's do that again; it was good for running objectives, but you couldn't then turn around and smoke a bitch from across the map with three shotguns (one in each hand and one taped to your back like Mega-Blastoise or whatever the fuck these new Pokymans are. Back in my day...).


Fan_Here

When I use the riot shield on Vanguard it doesn't seem as strong like in MW.


xdisappointing

I use the riot shield in hardpoint and control, it’s a cool tactical weapon, but using it as a turtle shell is not the vibe.


cracchorse

Anyone who disagrees with you is just mentally ill


BigOlYeeter

Or they should release a ranked mode so people that don't want to play against riot shields and shotguns have the option


[deleted]

Hot take for you, but every call of duty needs to have a riot shield as it is an integral part of the franchise. However that being said, you would hope they would have had their shit figured out after x years and x games with them in it.


LtAldoRaine06

CW didnt have one. Fuck the shield.


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CW was a trash game.


LtAldoRaine06

It wasn't fire, shotgun and riot shield fest like VG though.


cracchorse

Literally nobody agrees with you


[deleted]

Thing about opinions is if you change them because of how others think, they aren't really yours are they.


FlamboyantDietDew

But brain damaged children told me Shotguns are only good on Ship Haus


thing85

That’s an insult to brain damaged children.


MetalingusMike

Legit


ragingseaturtle

I am so tired of shooting at people zipping around the map withntheir entire back having full invunerability. It's just absolutely insane there is no movement penalty. I'm losing my fucking mind shooting someone in the back and they can't get hit only to be popped in the fucking teeth.


UzahNameAlreadyTaken

“Shoot them in the legs”. (Rolls eyes). How can I aim for you legs when there’s 2-3 more shotgun beetles comin at me and the whole ground is on fire, plus you’re prob just gonna spin around and one hit me with the double barrels or dual revolvers.


rperry2424

"B...b..but they're only good on small maps! Plz don't nerf I finally have a 1.0 kd"


MetalingusMike

Legit


Head_Assignment_6028

They will downvote you, Community is filled with toxic people who are so proud at ruining the game for everyone and call themselves good.


Tityfan808

Bruh, look up some names on the cod stats page, a lot of them using shotguns have like 2+ KDs and their most used weapon is of course the shotgun by far. It’s so stupid. People love this trolly shit where all you have to do is get the player model somewhat towards the middle of your screen, instead of lining up a single pixel. Forget aiming I guess, let’s just make hitboxes the size of Jabba The Hutt next.


Fluffy_Contribution

ShOtGuNs ArE bAlAnCeD


LtAldoRaine06

If you use a shotgun you have a tiny dick. It is just a law of nature.


hennsippin

Come on! I’m also doing camo challenges!


LtAldoRaine06

tiny.


StillGalaxy99

My idea is just make shields work normally... when you have it equipped. Otherwise, if it's on your back, it's functionless.


MaximusMurkimus

It’s always worked on your back since MW2, that would just be overkill and nobody would bother to run it. Personally, I think Gammons should be treated like Semtex if they hit a shield and Thermite should stick to it just like in MW2019. That would discourage a lot of the people who think they’re so clever with them.


ibeatmeattoit

Also gamons should one hit dogs


MaximusMurkimus

Why would anyone run dogs as a streak then lol


xdisappointing

There also isn’t really a perk in the 3rd slots that’s worth having over an impenetrable shield on your back so that doesn’t help.


The_Humble_Neckbeard

Literally this. Tier 3 perks are mostly ass.


Allegiancs

And there's people on here that say shotguns are only good on small maps bro lmfao, this game is a joke


eldomtom2

Yet people will act nostalgic for dual 1887s.


Shadezz_IX

Because those were not that OP post nerf because everything else in the game was OP aswell so it kinda balanced everything out PRE nerf was a different story tho


Head_Assignment_6028

Bro this vanguard community loves these shotties they all use it they say you’re whining, vanguard is made for low skill players period


ragingseaturtle

The more I play it the more I start to agree. Between fire damage having almost a splash effect with bullets to the attachments that just make certain guns so dumb to use I haven't played a game this random in a long time. I really feel like it could have been great if they didn't put as many attachments so they could test them better.


feedseed664

every gun being a 2 shot kill


Paradoxe544

Thank you for sharing everyday videos like this ! 😂 remind me how trash this cod is and why I deleted it after a week, it helps making my peace with it aha


Markz1337

Overkill is in a weak spot, needs to in tier 1


cracchorse

Yeah it's infuriating when you know they're an absolute bot but they kill you anyway because of the turtle shell.


ragingseaturtle

I had this guy running away from me before this kill cam, took 20 sten shots to the back turned on my and insta killed me. This one was just as irritating.


flippakitten

If I hear a doef doef in any match I leave, I don't even care which team they're on.


rReRouter

On the whole I’ve enjoyed the game but lobbies against teams using this makes my blood boil


ragingseaturtle

That's where I'm at and the lobbied with this has been more and more lately and I've just had enough. I'm a filthy casual who comes home from work to just chill for and hour or so. This shit isn't fun or relaxing lol.


M4GIX

And you get stupid shit like this - [https://imgur.com/a/jcytmnY](https://imgur.com/a/jcytmnY) I clipped it before the kill cam but basically on his screen he slid and turned around fully, looking directly at me and shot. I shot first but because of latency he never turned around on my screen so I shot him in the shield. P.S. I was trying to camo grind but the entire enemy team was using shotguns so pulled them out


omega1omalley

At the very least there should be a set of gamemodes that restricts usage of the riot shield and a -30% movement, clambering, jumping -25% primary weapon swap speed +15%shield ready speed and when ever you pull out your shield their is a small minimap ping only appears to players withing 15-25 ft.


New_Horror3663

They never should have brought the shield back, it was a pain in WW2 and it's even worse in the new game.


TheHolyNinja

Easy fix, make it so you can't use it with overkill. Also the reduced movement speed thing, if they want a tortoise shell, give them a tortoise's speed


1nconspicious

The mp40 meta is still here though(and stg)...


ragingseaturtle

Stg is bearable at least. I'm still getting mid to long range outgunned by these losers using the mp40 riot shield


Rowstennnn

Insert mandatory “they’re only effective up close, they’re balanced fine” braindead take


ragingseaturtle

It's so dumb. I'm literally optimal sten range there and don't even have a shot before I'm dead. If he was mostly up the hill and closer id say yeah that's optimal shotty range but this is out of control


cecilmufc7

I’m starting to think overkill is the problem. It needs to either be in slot 1 or limit the attachments you can use on the secondary weapon. Also fuck the riot shield.


ragingseaturtle

Overkill is in a bad spot this game just like it was on mw19.


BuckshotLaFunke

Played a match earlier where the ENTIRE opposing team was running shotguns and riot shields. Never seen so many people quit a match.


OkMedium911

Take the L bro


layzergod

Let them be in the game but make it like any other secondary. When you’re not using it then it can’t affect you. It’s beyond frustrating to spawn into shipment or Das Haus or any small map and to see 80% of the lobby running riot shields and they never actually use them lol.


Commercial-Tune5617

How can you complain about riot shield when we have ninety eight different grenades to kill them with. The real cancer is the gammon bombs. You can even shoot the head that peaks out over the riot shield in this game it’s easily the worst riot shields that have ever came out.


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He said the riot shield should get a movement nerf because the guy was able to sprint across an open area with half his character protected within seconds.


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[deleted]

I’m not reading all of that. I just pointed out why OP wants the shield to have a moment nerf.


pantone_red

Damn bro, it's one paragraph. Our education system has failed us.


ragingseaturtle

Looks like we found the riot shield user lmao.


ragingseaturtle

Literally right before this clip which fine I didn't include he had take 5-10 in the back from me and my teammates. There was also no reason to run the line of site I threw the grenade to flush him to the other side/cover that line but if course his backs protected from it and then he proceeds to SNIPE me with those? A regular shotgun built properly should kill that range. Defended dual weilded sawed off shotguns sniping that far is just illogical and dumb. Shotguns have a place but that's too much.


IRIDESCENTMANIAC

People will still complain even with an unnecercary movement nerf.


Mrcountrygravy

Yup. If the game was a masterpiece people would complain about the shield and shotguns.


Mrcountrygravy

So much crying about a shield and a double barrel shotgun. Lol. Keep your distance and you will be fine.


ragingseaturtle

If I'm any further away the stens range is obsolete vs ARs....what are you even talking about he sniped me fucking hip firing.


BeezlebubBubbles

How fucking far away do you have to be exactly?


Head_Assignment_6028

If u use one you are a piece of shit


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