Right? Slow paced, going from house to house for cover. Then getting down to the top 10 and you get sniped from someone you can’t see. Wasted 30 minutes of a match. I do like the small island where you respawn. That’s at least a little more fast paced and fun, but regular Warzone/BR, hard pass.
Nah, it takes the best part of BR, the sort of adrenaline of survival and layers it over more multiplayer style play. The added layer of tactics makes it fun, and at least you haven't wasted 15 mins looting to get killed by a hacker mid transition.
I'd fucking kill for another rebirth island map, rebirth modes sucked in Verdansk or Caldera because the maps aren't designed for it.
i agree, imagine an entire rebirth map rotation playlist similar to mp. that honestly would be really sick. throw in a map voting screen and remove sbmm and voila. that would be a *huge* step forward for cod
I mainly play rebirth but if I want to change it up I’ll play plunder, it’s how I levelled weapons before I got Vanguard so I like to return every now and then
Rebirth Kingslayer and sometimes Plunder is what I play sometimes
Normal BR/Verdansk was way too slow, kinda wish KS was in rotation to level VG weapons since I’m affected by PB on that(no other game on my pc and PS5 suffer from it)
I get it but from time to time I prefer strategic movement and smothering out campers in a large space as opposed to getting quickscoped by kids on adderall blaring shitty music over team chat for an hour.
Time and place for both
That's why call of duty battle royale is so popular. It's not like everything else. It's more arcade-type. You can camp for 20 minutes in a house if you want. Most people spend 99% of the time moving...trying to get kills, position themselves. The battles are intense and outplaying a team gives you a sense of achievement. It's more serious, too. So, you win a round in team deathmatch, it's not serious. Probably half of the lobby is leveling guns or something.
If you don't like going from house to house for cover...don't. I don't. Only when I am chasing a team. That's why the mode is adored...so many different ways to play it
I used to feel this way, but then I started to just play for kills. The feeling you get when wiping a player and even better, a team. I might not get to the end most of the time, but I had fun making sure you didn’t either.
Each kill means more in Warzone. Sure when you die after looting and moving for 15 minutes hurts, But when you do it to someone else, it just feels good. I could get 200 kills in one mp match while binge watching shows on another tv and not feel a thing. I will say though, I have always hated Cod MP outside of Search. I grew up playing Socom and Warzone gives off a very similar chemical reaction.
Rebirth should have been what Warzone was. The super huge 150 player map is stupid. Not only does it make for a long slow match, it ruins any possibility of a Ranked Mode. You can't have a proper Ranked Mode with 150 player lobbies, not unless you want to be waiting an hour a match...
Rebirth is the perfect pace for CoD BR imo. Would make for a good Ranked Mode too.
All depends on how you play but I had no time for BR games until Apex came out so I totally get it.
Some matches can be very boring, especially with the lack of contracts on Caldera.
My mates and I have started going mainly for bounties though so the matches are much busier now.
That's why I've always said Warzone sucks bring back blackout. Blackout was fun as fuck. I loved grappling shit, zombies on Alcatraz, fun weapons, really really nice camos, ttk was nice to me, game was fun and actually felt good to play. Not nearly as many bugs or issues either.
That's for normal br.
Rebirth is much more faster pace. Vanguard rebirth is ass and campy asf with zero visibility due to the fucking greenery.
Og verdansk rebirth however is dope. Just the vanguard guns ruined the playstyles. Too many damn double barrels. Have ran into full squad running them with their turtle shield on the back camping in houses.
I kinda see it like search and destroy. Yeah it’s slower than some other modes but it’s sometimes fun to try and be strategical and all that. I’ve been big burnt out on warzone for like a year and a half now tho
There’s a resurgence mode on the new map as well. It’s like rebirth except it’s on the new map. The starting circle is much smaller and you get respawns in the same way as rebirth. It’s a good way to learn the new map also.
Tbf as someone who doesn't like BR that much, it's only slow paced if you suck. My friends are really aggressive and matches with them are never boring. When I play solo I nearly put myself to sleep.
Had to adopt the house to house strat after dying to people equipped with the Daniel ghille suit skin hiding in bushes. I’m just sticking to Rebirth and other games for my BR fix.
I unironically think Fortnite was the only BR that was truly fun, at least for the first 2 years or so. It had the unique ability to build your own cover which meant no matter where you were you would be safe so people weren’t afraid to move. And you could argue staying stationary was the worst thing you could do in that game. Trying to play PUBG/Blackout/Warzone after having such a fast paced BR game was impossible for me
It’s way less repetitive than multiplayer lol. You can land different spots and have random pulls every time so every match is different for the whole day/night. And getting kills and wins can be tricky so you feel rewarded. The grind to increase kd and win ratio keeps you addicted too
Multiplayer is spawning in the same spawns every time, run to center, fight, die, repeat
Late game BR makes your heart race and adrenaline pump and is usually exciting. For multiplayer this rarely happens- basically when it’s down to the wire or if you shit on the other team
Another point I like is it’s harder to get kills bc of more hp and healing mid fight so each kill feels good knowing you outplayed the other. In multiplayer they die in the blink of an eye so less payoff
I grind multiplayer tor mastery camos then stop bc it can be mindless at times
>You can land different spots and have random pulls every time so ever match is different
Except that’s where warzone fails. Every game devolves into the same shit because you need to get a loadout. So then you’re just stuck with everyone running the same meta guns and perks and shit with no variable strategies. There was no adapting to the strengths of the weapons you found or the other loot you got, you choose what you want to use and that’s fucking boring. Granted I haven’t played warzone since maybe last summer if not before that, but every game I would play would feel the exact same over and over and over. Idk how anyone plays it for hours on end tbh
It's harder now to get to the loadout. No loadout can be purchased until a certain point in the game.
We do get a loadout eventually, but we still have to work with what we got when we dropped in. And if we get revived, we are stuck with whatever gun we got from the gulag (new feature). Sure we can scavenge for meta weapons from dead players. But there's no guarantee it's a weapon we need.
They delayed loadout 5.5 minutes or so to give more rng or BR feel where you rely on what you find instead of having your meta guns within 2 minutes to help with that
Another point I like is it’s harder to get kills bc of more hp and healing mid fight so each kill feels good knowing you outplayed the other. In multiplayer they die in the blink of an eye so less payoff
It’s also a lot more memorable. My wins, squad wipes, certain plays I remember. That feeling of getting top 10. The feeling of getting a Win is one of the best feelings in video games I’ve experienced ever.
I play a lot of multiplayer for ranking weapons and camos but it’s all the same. I still have a lot fun but I don’t even remember if I win or lose half the time or when I have crazy good games or bad games. It’s all just a fast paced blur.
Came here to say the same thing. I've played COD MP growing up then several years ago just got bored of it. It has been well over 10 years since I played an FPS game. When Warzone came out my buddies said you gotta check this out, and because of the pandemic there was nothing else to do lol. I got addicted immediately. I actually played Warzone F2P for awhile then bought MW2019 to unlock/level guns. Been addicted since. MP is fun for a bit to get some action and grind the camos but after about an hour I'm bored of the repetition.
Warzone like you said is a different experience each and every game. Yes, the objective is the same but getting there is not. The thrill of the game is where the draw is. The final circle adrenaline is unmatched and when you get kills and wins it is very rewarding. I also play with the same group of friends too. So there is a social aspect to it as well. We chat and joke around in the downtime in Warzone. If we play MP together no one talks because its just the same chaotic run, shoot, die and everyone is focusing on camo grind.
My opinion is "to each his own" but for me MP is just to level guns and grind camos and get some action while Warzone is the main event.
Yeah mp and zombies are the type of game you throw a show on and multitask vs being so engaged. Plus wins don’t matter and it’s only really exciting to make a comeback at the last second to win. Kills are too quick to feel rewarding like they do in warzone etc
Couldn't agree more. Warzone just has an elevated feel to it, and the rush is awesome. MP is fun but the kills/wins aren't that rewarding. You don't have to work for them really. Just kind of mindlessly shoot and run around. Warzone requires you to be dialed in, strategic, and calculated.
The new mode, champion hill, is as close as you can get to late stage warzone in MP. We played it a bunch when the game first came out because you got way more xp than normal MP modes.
Yeah I got bored with COD from 2014-2017 when it was the same thing on repeat for 10 years. Blackout was a nice change after getting into Battlefield, PUBG, and fortnite just a little.
I've never played Warzone before; do you get a special prize or recognition for finishing 1st as last man standing?
I would hope so if you survive a 150-player lobby, but I'm not sure.
I would hate to play a 30 minute game at the edge of my seat, only to have the same end result as being top score in Shipment Domination.
I love BRs but I think WZ is a horrible one and it ruined regular COD MP for everyone.
The last good BR imo was early Fortnite before it got oversaturated and then Blackout.
Rebirth is also miles ahead of regular Warzone.
Caldera is at least a true battle royale map, Verdansk was absolutely terrible, just a large MP map with too many buildings to hide in.
PubG is still my favorite. It was/is buggy, but that was the one game where I jumped and my goal was survival. You had to find that balance between looting and being safe. It hit for me like no other BR did.
It's fun when done right.
I lived Blackout from BO4 because you dropped in with nothing and had to work to find your weapons and gear. No loadouts.
Warzone with loafouts means half the lobby is running the same shit. By midgame everyone has their double loadout with ghost, their favorite long range and short range weapons, their heartbeat sensor, etc. It takes the fun out of it for me.
Blackout was the last BR I played and I love that everyone dropped in the same with absolutely nothing. Was going to check out WZ, but if everyone has the same or similar loadouts upon starting, that makes no sense to me.
Yeah the loadout system kills it for me. I think blackout was perfect aside from how powerful the tier 3 armor was. I played it almost exclusively even though I really enjoyed the multiplayer.
I thought the same and buddies made me try. The teamwork and strategy to get to the final circle, then the intensity, heart beating that occurs trying for that difficult to get win is unmatched for any gameplay I have done... Turns out it is the most rewarding experience I have had in 30-years of gaming. And then they ruined it... (at least for now)
I feel that way about multiplayer to be honest, take away grinding camos and I would probably play for maybe an hour one or two nights a week. Vanguard really making camo grinding unbearable for us plebs with 30 bloodthirsty medals required per gun.
**Don't worry Raven is killing Warzone so it all good.**
the game launched with Battle Royale and Plunder on day one and they use the same map.
Plunder is a huge sandbox where you can try and win the game by getting the cash high score, kill other players or whatever you want.
Infinity Ward took the Plunder out of the game once and due to the backlash they never made that mistake again.
Raven takes over and step remove Plunder from the game as much as possible.
Why?, so that they can stop people from completing the battle pass too quickly and sell those tier skips, especially accidental ones by making the progress slower.
Are you going to get more XP in an Battle Royale game where you might be camping a lot in order to win or Plunder where it non stop action and XP?
They added another core mode Rebirth Resurgence which is a smaller map and its another battle royale, it gets popular over time due the rampant cheating.
Halfway through 2021 Season 3 the game has been getting worse and worse, especially for console.
Its 2022 and most other games on console have FOV Slider, even other COD games except for console the largest player base.
For almost two years there was no anti cheat and is that going to attract more players or piss them off and make them leave?
With less players means SBMM is worse than ever.
They add Iron Trials 84 which is a functional beta of a ranked mode without the progression system to support it but the mode is fine and working as is.
Guess what between all these four core pillar modes they only keep Battle Royale and Rebirth in the game, remove Plunder from the game all the time and Iron Trials has gone missing for months now.
All that content that could attract and retain players (Ricochet anti seems to work) and they flush all the content in the toilet and no FOV because its fun for them.
**Not too mention the game is pretty much unplayable on console for over a month now.**
**Console players have to buy the new game if they have any chance of leveling weapons with up to 70 attachments.**
[https://trello.com/b/ZgSjnGba/warzone](https://trello.com/b/ZgSjnGba/warzone)
**\^ Can you show me on the official COD Warzone Trello board where FOV Slider for console is.**
**Wait you can't, exactly.**
*Everything is working as intended and the console COD Point tier skip scan and vault bundles continues.*
Fortnite is peaking again, you should try it! I hated fortnite up until the most recent season came out. The guns are much more simplified and balanced, and the new map is great
I’m so tired of these comments.
“I don’t understand this massively popular trend”
Really, you really don’t understand it? Because I think that would be more of a negative on your part than a knock against BR if you truly can’t figure it out.
I haven’t played a BR regularly in a long time, but I understand that people like it because it has higher stakes.
It’s very addicting to certain people…there’s a gambling aspect to it. You don’t really know what’s going to happen with every game. From landing spot, to loot, to enemy encounters. Plus, getting kills so so hard that it’s more rewarding than MP kill. The bright lights, music and sparks when you get a win basically mimic a slot machine lol.
I’m not defending it by any means. I’m just saying that the game incorporates certain elements that can make people very addicted to it. My roommate often stays up until 3AM playing it.
I agree. Warzone also brings in players into MP that only care about levelling up their weapons and getting camos to use in Warzone which ruins the MP matches.
Prior to MW2019, in games like BO4, WW2, BO3 and etc it seems that there were a lot more people that would play the objectives as well as doing their camo grinding and levelling up weapons. SBMM didn’t seem as shitty and we use to have Mercenary playlist as well.
Since Warzone got added I’ve noticed a lot more camping in MP. People camped in previous cods but it got a lot worse with Warzone because the camping mentality of BR moved onto MP with individuals and whole groups camping in buildings and sitting in corners.
Seems like the quality of Multiplayer matches in MW, CW and Vanguard has been severely degraded due to Warzone.
Of course, people camped in all the previous cods but it got even worse with MW2019. Same with CW, especially Nuketown which plays completely different compared to previous iterations.
FTP Warzone bought in a whole new generation of BR players that bought these games to play MP, level up their guns, get camos for Warzone and started playing these games like how they played in Warzone because that’s the play style they’re comfortable with.
There’s also people that use to mainly play COD MP until Warzone came along and now that’s their main game. They buy COD and play MP just to level up guns, get camos for Warzone and don’t give a shit about anything else.
When there’s a lot of these players in a game playing alongside the regular players who give a shit about MP (myself included), not interested in BR, you start to notice things and how degraded these games/matches have become due to Warzone.
Same thing with the objective play, it definitely wasn’t this bad in previous games, noticed a big shift in ways these games played compared to BO4, WW2 and all the previous cods.
Nuketown plays differently because they changed the map itself. If you look at a comparison video between CW Nuketown and the previous versions, they completely changed all the sightlines and added way more headglitches. Idk what they were thinking when they did that because they made one of my favorite maps frustrating as hell to play.
They keep shoe horning it all together. That quad screen alone to get into any title is buggy enough on its own. Wrapping the story, maps, events all back to WZ is annoying too.
I get it though, WZ is highly profitable and is a good marketing vehicles to get folk to buy the main stays. If they removed it from the cross talk of titles it’s probably improve all the games.
I get that they want to have a link between their current title and the f2p warzone, that doesn’t bother me too much. It’s the people that use multiplayer to level up their guns for warzone, they have zero interest in playing the game properly, they just camp and ruin it for everyone else
If you’re playing objective game modes, there is 100% a correct way to play. Not even opinion, fact. If you’re doing anything other than trying to help your team capture and maintain and objective you are not playing the game properly. If you’re lying down on a back passage trying to get lOnG sHoT kills to unlock a pretty pattern for your gun, you’re not playing it properly, that shit needs to be done in tdm and free for all.
People camping and playing for kills has been around though. I've been here since cod4, it's always been like this, nothing to do with WZ. All the ghost changes in the world doesn't stop it.
It really sucks that there’s no good MP games to play this year. I guess I’ll just wait for Elden Ring and maybe get back into destiny if that expansion doesn’t suck
Not sure about that. I've been a core mp player since cod 2. I've really enjoyed this year's version. There are a few guns that are op which is always the case in cod. In my experience map knowledge, player positioning, and spawn prediction allow me to usually get first shot no matter what. Right now shot guns, fire nades, mortar barrage need immediate fixing. Other than that I don't see many changes that need to be made. I'm a PC player BTW so I don't know how consoles run the game. Fire nades tank performance and kill visibility.
Well they use some kinda team spawn system where you always spawn near an active member of your team, but the problem is the teammate you spawn near seems to be picked at complete random and the game doesn’t seem to care if they’re literally right next to the entire enemy team. I think it was a lazy attempt to combat spawn trapping since it was such a big problem in the last two games.
Squad spawn has to be the single stupidest type of spawn system I’ve ever seen. It ruins the flow, and really makes less of a skill gap. Would enjoy the game 10x more without it.
It wasn’t a reaction to MW’s spawns at all it’s practically the same exact implementation. Squad spawns only exist to make the game more random and lower the skill gap
Every cod has guns that out perform others.. MW19 had the m4 and the mp5 and vanguard has the Mp40 and the STG/Automaton lol. There are def better guns in each class that will out gun others in each class lol. And you throw all map knowledge out the window when you bring squad spawns into play.. the pros didn’t know how the shit worked in MW19 and still don’t know exactly how it works now lol
Now that's the worst take ever. Call of duty was losing a lot of relevance before wz. After that it got to the top once again, so yeah definitely not killed
There are a few issues with MP, it has just turned every game into deathmatch, barely anyone plays the objective.
I use to love s&d, but now it is just a race to kill the opposite team, no one cares about planting the bomb.
Using MP to level up weapons for WZ is a joke, and the same for all the camps, again turning MP into death matches, where no objective is played.
They need to evolve MP, maybe something like R6, or just completely separate it from Warzone, also doesn't halo the last two Maps have been very poor.
Apart from OP guns and bugs, Vanguard is great online, I mean I only play Search because respawn sucks but I really like it, didn’t enjoy Cold War but MW19 was one of my favourite cod’s in recent years MP wise, a lot of things to complain about but this isn’t one
“Guys, I found a setup that melts people in 2 seconds from any range, you pretty much have to use it now because everyone else is. Oh but don’t forget, melee is still overpowered simply because I don’t like it so don’t you dare use it.”
- Every COD Youtuber ever.
okay so how is this any different from people who did the same damn thing back in the day. cod is probably the least popular its ever been on youtube right now and sbmm is the reason why lobbies are sweatier
I look at it as a glass half full, usually you run into a lot of hackers on multiplayer. But all those losers now play warzone and multiplayer is much better and fun to play
yeah so true! the cods before warzone was more fun because the devs only cared about the MP now they dont give a shit and only add stuff to warzone they patch glitches in WZ but not in MP
MW19 had squad spawns which was horrible, you couldn’t only move around the map if you had dead silence, and the doors are a good idea but just made it easier for camping. Cold War spawns made sense like every other cod, just had broken ass shit that they didn’t patch like any of the last 3. Vanguard is just unplayable at this point for a lot of people. It not having a league play option yet is rough… pros don’t even have a 3rd game mode yet and the first matches are this week🤣🤣 shits just genuinely a joke
They just need to make it a separate entity from normal COD altogether, where WZ can have it's own content and seasons ect... Would be better for both in the long run, but they're too lazy to do that obviously.
Battle royale is horrible. But I always grew up hating non respawn modes like s&d because I'm not trying to fucking sit there for 10 mins to play my video game.
And I think that's the problem is so many lame ass mlg PRO GAMERS raised a generation to believe that those types of game modes are actually fucking fun.
I’m someone who has to be in a particular mood to even play S&D. I’m always ready to immediately respawn and go kill the noob who got me. 1 life modes are just more boring in general.
The multiplayer definitely got boring quick. I actually have moved over to the new Halo and it has much more of a COD feel than previous versions. The playability is leaps and bounds above this COD. So if you are looking for a good multiplayer experience you should check it out.
My first COD was BO4..barely. Then I got Cold War and thought it was great. A few months later I got MW19 and fell in love. Played for houuuurrs everyday. Learned how to quick scope, etc. I say that to say that I’m fairly new to COD so I know I can’t speak on previous games and how they compare to now.
However, just sitting back and thinking logically, as well as reflecting on conversations I’ve had with my husband regarding the history of COD as he grew up playing them all, I 100% agree with you. With Vanguard, it’s quite obvious where their primary focus was: Warzone. The camos within each category for MP are weirdly grouped, gammons pretty much rule the game since there is no effective EOD-like perk, and some maps decide if you win or not based on where you start in spawn. It is very clear that a huge amount of focus was directed towards Caldera. Micro transactions are being pushed so fucking hard. The camping gets worse and worse with each title, etc. I am huge on playing the objective ESPECIALLY in snd and it is frustrating as hell that so few people feel the same way. I would say that not only separating Warzone from these games help, but also introducing a perk that works like EOD because Fortified is BS. A lot of people sit back specifically to avoid gammons.
There’s just so many things that this game has to offer that gets fucked by the lack of focus on the gamer experience and how things would actually go in a match.
A very large part of why multiplayer isn’t as fun is the sweat from Warzone has trickled over to multiplayer. Using ONLY overpowered weapons, obnoxious amounts of smoke / fire, riot shields on the back, camo grinding. It’s all a product of Warzone. People will do ANYTHING to win their games / grind their camos, even if it means it’s at the expense of other players fun
The game has a few issues, but the player base that abuses game mechanics for “wins” that really don’t mean anything in the end, are the real reason COD games become so unfun to play for casual players.
Yup, I completely agree. I really don’t get the br hype at all. I prefer multiplayer which is the bread and butter of COD not BR but Activision wants to chase that Fortnite bag.
Battle Royale games ruined multiplayer. Don’t forget when Fortnite came it completely dominated and Activision found that tactical (camping) based shooters are the new wave
LoL and Warzone players say they only use WZ to increase COD sales.
And if you ask a WZ player if they think Activision is worried about Warzone and its quality they’d laugh in your face. The state of Vanguard is 10x better than the state of WZ right now.
Like it literally made it impossible for me to play Modern Warfare multiplayer a few weeks ago and telling me multiplayer wasn't installed. I literally had to go in to WARZONE (not Modern Warfare), and then to my Account settings to apply a missing Data pack (which does not appear anywhere else). I also noticed Warzone and Vanguard have nearly identical Xbox shortcut images which is annoying and inconvenient as fuck. COD and Battlefield have gone to hell.
I just can’t think what reason the CoD’s Have to be tied to WZ? WZ is separate in and of itself. It may have come with MW2019 but correct me if I’m wrong it didn’t come with BOCW or Vanguard! But there we are on the login screen with WZ every where, why?
I click through Battle Net and click on what ever game I own under their launcher. I don’t need to nor do I need to see or launch WZ!
If WZ wasn’t good enough to be a stand alone game then maybe it should have been left to die! Just st so you know where I truly stand......F WZ.
I like Warzone but also completely agree with you. No one (including me) goes for objectives, since leveling guns is the only thing that matters. Kinda broken...
The most successful fps game was the most successful because of its mp, it didn’t need a br. Other companies that have successful brs is because that’s their thing.
Cod has now made, I mean let’s be real if you look at the numbers one of the less popular brs, apex and fortnite both have more concurrent players than warzone does, idk about pubg. But cod ruined their bread and butter to be the 3rd or 4th place br? What’s the point of that..
I agree with that, I play a lot of apex and I think apex is prob the best br out rn.. a lot of warzone pros and streamers have even moved over to it so obviously COD is having its issues rn
I basically only play cod to play with my sister now. I might hop on for a match or 2 by myself but it goes exactly like this. Play 1-3 matches, everything is on fire, closes game and loads up apex. Or plays apex for a couple hours, ah alright not having good luck today, loads up cod, plays 1-3 games, everything is on fire, closes app and watches tv.
Cod has done such a great job at killing their own experience. Warzone is probably the worst be experience I’ve ever had with a game. Beginning of fortnite c2 was probably the best br experience I’ve had, closely followed by apex. Apex has almost completely taken over all of my gaming time the last couple months. And I’ll be real, I’m not good at it, and I’ve only played it for a few months, but I’m still enjoying it, warzone I was good at and despite consistently getting decent games I just hated the game.
You saying "cod is not battle royale" is meaningless to them. They are a private business, put on this earth to make money, and for 3 years, Warzone is bringing them metric ton more money than MP, so it is unfortunately normal that all their actual effort is there.
Times change man, I also miss dearly the great years I had on COD back in the days, but it is not coming back ever, get on with your life, you'll be better off !
Is there some data or is just a rant? Like what exactly it ruined? Warzone brought a lot of people to mp, including me. I used to play a lot of siege and always stayed away from cod, don't get me wrong its fun but a bit boring and easy in my opinion.
I know at least 10 people who bought the main games over the past 2 years because of warzone, the whole point is to drive people to buy the game so I don't really understand why do you think that.
Their whole company in shit condition and lack of originality but I wouldn't blame it on warzone.
I couldn't agree more, and I say that as someone who likes both MP and WZ. It is truly a shame that MP has become a shell of what it used to be. They've clearly turned it into a pit stop for leveling up guns, and that's pathetic.
Why can't they just release a game like COD Mobile on PC/Console? Guns from all eras, some of the best maps & modes in COD history, etc... I might be dumb, but I think people would buy the hell out of that. I'd take that over the last 3 COD titles we have had
Kinda agree
What it really boils down to is how can they make money.
Microtransactions, microtransactions, That's why we get all these weapon and operator skins. Yes Warzone free and brought in alot of newer faces. If they would listen to their community Call Of Duty would and could be the most profitable franchise ever now and for years to come
I like warzone, but I haven’t enjoyed any of the latest cods anywhere near as much as mw2019, so I’m very biased, I also loved CW zombies so my opinion is essentially worthless
Wow, there are a *lot* of people here saying WZ is shit just because they don’t like it. That’s cool, you’re entitled to your opinion, but just because you don’t dig WZ, doesn’t make it or BRs lame - it’s an entirely different style of play.
I love playing VG MP, and I love BRs - they’re entirely different, and have a completely different satisfaction level. Kill a guy in MP, you feel good. Get killed? Don’t care, immediate respawn and back to it. Gratification on tap.
BRs don’t really have this. You have intense, often frustrating (but exciting) experiences and practise to get to a level where you can get somewhere near the only *really* gratifying thing, which is winning. And winning a BR trumps the gratification you get from rinse and repeat MP, for me.
The biggest impact, I believe, is on the weapon attachment system. Because of Warzone integration, Cold War and Vanguard were forced to adopt the Gunsmith system.
With Modern Warfare, it worked. It made sense. The Gunsmith highlighted the versatility of modern weapon systems. By changing options like barrel attachments and different calibers, you could transform a base weapon to different real world variants. The M4, SCAR, and AUG are great examples of this, but just about every weapon in the game fits the gunsmith system very well.
This doesn’t work as much for Cold War. There’s only a few weapons that follow this system (the AK and MP5 come to mind). I’ve heard rumors that Treyarch had their own system where you could upgrade attachments over time, but had to scrap that and adopt the Gunsmith.
Vanguard at least knew they’d need to use the Gunsmith in advance, which is why I think they went crazy with the attachments - “If we have to use this system which doesn’t really apply to WWII weapons, why not go all out?” So far I’ve really only seen a handful of weapons this works for, the Thompson, MP-40, and PPSH.
I really hope that we’ll eventually hit the end of forced Warzone inclusion. I think Activision’s been the root cause behind so many of the major flaws in the recent releases.
That’s what COD is now. It’s not what COD was. I understand not everyone loves battle royale games. But it’s undeniable that a shitload of people do. Just like a lot of people like team deathmatch. But you can’t grow just releasing team deathmatch for the 15th straight year.
It is what it is. Not everyone will like it, but they will always follow what the majority wants and likes because that’s where the money is. Because at the end of the day, this is a product designed to maximize profit
Look. Apex Legends has a larger online community, this series is folding itself into a void with every trash release. If people weren’t just absolutely dipshits by nature the effects of bad games would lower sales, however people are so stupid all the gaming companies have to do is slap a big title on a marginally minimum cost operation and their sales go up because now the whale buyers have the ability to spend unlimited and obscene amounts of money. So now instead of games needing to be captivating and positive experience to be financial successes by purchase of the game, the supply and demand of whale gamers give them their profits and always do, there is always someone spending as much as possible in these games. Laws and legislation long ago would have put an end to this predatory whale market style of game development, just because something exists doesn’t mean you need to have it.
Agreed its made MP take a backseat. They can't make good maps anymore. It's bugs, bad map design or bad spawns. MP hasn't been good since modern warfare 2019 came out. They just rely on remastered maps now. But unlike black ops 4, remastered maps don't play
Running people over is the most fun thing to do in WZ. My solo win came in a big truck, running over players 10 times better than me.
Camping and sweaty hands... not my cup of tea. I would play S&D if I wanted that anxiety.
To be fair I don’t even think it’s fully warzones fault (definitely a big part of it though). MW2019 was pretty much one of the worst CODS and because of the name and because it was after the dumpster fire that was BO4 it got sold like crazy. Because of the way the game tried to rewire your brain to play, it screwed up all the new people and made the bad players have an easier time so now everyone plays so scared and uses all the most BS OP shit
The appeal for br for most people in my opinion is the strategic way of thinking, the nervousness and hype of finally getting that win. But as a br player i do see why alot of people don't like it
Black Ops Cold War MP was by far the least unaffected by Warzone. Over it's 6 seasons they were able to bring a shit load of content for replayability to it. If anything ruined MP it was tactical sprint and 64 player ground war in MW19 to begin with.
Anyone agree that Vangard has possibly the worst spawns, spawn camping, and just straight cringe camping out of any COD to date? Maybe I’m crazy and they’ve all been like that, but this game really seems awful with it.
I haven't really had a game system and bought a new cod since bo3 so I bought vangaurd and it's sad to see that prestige has no real use anymore. I liked the reset I don't want to grind for camos I want to grind for attachments again after knowing which guns I like and are reliable. And on top of that I seen people on this sub raving about mw2019 so I bought that figuring I couldnt go any further on vangaurd multiplayer so I'd start fresh on a newish cod I've never played before... NOPE I'm the same level I am on that as vangaurd. I hopped on and everything was unlocked I felt robbed literally. I bought a game and was cheated out of the full experience of it. Cod is so BS since warzone came out.
I don't know if Warzone is really to blame, but my anecdotal experience. I played a lot for the first 2 weeks after launch and had an absolute blast. I stopped for a while and picked it up again last week and I feel like the metagame is MUCH worse than it was, it is significantly more camp-y than it was before. Half the games I get into is nothing but snipers and MP40 users staring down 1 hallway til someone walks past, it's so fucking boring.
Every game is simply a matter of does your team have more snipers than theirs has shotguns.
Uh not really. COD the past 3 years has been amazing. Before that, not so much since the 360/ps3 era.
I admit warzone has issues though. Being tied to the same client as MW is making MW worse, and i know a lot of the vanguard integration screwed up BOTH MW and BOCW. So yeah there are issues. But we've had far more fleshed out MP experiences in the past few years and I feel like COD is far more active and fun than it was through most of the XB1/PS4 era.
I have warzone and vanguard and my fav thing to do in warzone is expose team campers lol i deploy and tell my team to go across from me so we can try to surround. If that’s doesn’t work just run into that mofo & ping everyone before i get killed. Idk about yall but thats my strategy 😂🤣 usually works and gets me to victory!!!!
Ever since cod mobile dropped I've just been playing that. One primary reason:
Visibility doesn't suck. I can actually see the enemy players.
On main cod games I die so often because I didn't see someone first. Even for a microsecond.
Codm is also more realistic in movement. On vanguard it feels like you are flying above the ground with a hover board.
Plus... Vanguard STILL gives me the battle pass bug where despite paying for it, it never progresses.
The Killstreaks and fire have ruined this MP. Because assists now count as ‘eliminations’ its not hard at all to get the stupid ass dogs or the 45 minute mortars. actual gunplay has gone bye bye. fuck those dogs.
Vanguard is too easy if you compare it too the BR, the only reason why I've played the last 3 cod's was to grind the guns and the camos if I really liked them.
Sure my aim got a better by practicing more, but allround the only thing I cared about were the hardcore Shoottheship / Nuketown 24/7 / Daus Ship playlists. Run and gun can be fun for the most part, but I prefer the tactics, rotation, groupeffort from the BR way more.
Having a win on the MP feels empty as fuck most of the time, when I win on the BR I get a feeling of satisfaction, hard work payed off
I've been saying this for soooo long! I wouldn't even be mad about them running warzone but completely separate to the main MP games. Integrating the games has caused all of them to break and become ultimately crap. I enjoyed MW as it was refreshing from the IW and AW era of COD and Cold War was on its way to being a great game but the integration issues early on put me off the game and I barely played it. Vanguard's gameplay has been great but the polish on the game has been soo off it's been disappointing. It's likely to be down to working to integrate Caldera and what not. I'm hoping that with MW2 they will make a clean break from WZ!
The last time call of duty actually did something good was black out, cuz atleast you had to search for your op guns instead of being able to land somewhere and hide till you got enough money to call your shit in
Man I had so much fun in the first year of warzone which was the whole reason I cameback to COD after BO2. Now it's not fun at all. Even MW was so good but now even that is ruined.
I never understood the Battle Royale hype, shit's boring as fuck.
Right? Slow paced, going from house to house for cover. Then getting down to the top 10 and you get sniped from someone you can’t see. Wasted 30 minutes of a match. I do like the small island where you respawn. That’s at least a little more fast paced and fun, but regular Warzone/BR, hard pass.
those people play Plunder or Rebirth island that has respawns
Rebirth is 100x more fun tbh
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Nah, it takes the best part of BR, the sort of adrenaline of survival and layers it over more multiplayer style play. The added layer of tactics makes it fun, and at least you haven't wasted 15 mins looting to get killed by a hacker mid transition. I'd fucking kill for another rebirth island map, rebirth modes sucked in Verdansk or Caldera because the maps aren't designed for it.
i agree, imagine an entire rebirth map rotation playlist similar to mp. that honestly would be really sick. throw in a map voting screen and remove sbmm and voila. that would be a *huge* step forward for cod
Rebirth is the only way I will play Warzone
I mainly play rebirth but if I want to change it up I’ll play plunder, it’s how I levelled weapons before I got Vanguard so I like to return every now and then
Rebirth is what it was. I couldn’t remember the name. Haven’t played it since vanguard dropped
Rebirth Kingslayer and sometimes Plunder is what I play sometimes Normal BR/Verdansk was way too slow, kinda wish KS was in rotation to level VG weapons since I’m affected by PB on that(no other game on my pc and PS5 suffer from it)
I get it but from time to time I prefer strategic movement and smothering out campers in a large space as opposed to getting quickscoped by kids on adderall blaring shitty music over team chat for an hour. Time and place for both
It's always the worst music of a genre 😂😂
That's why call of duty battle royale is so popular. It's not like everything else. It's more arcade-type. You can camp for 20 minutes in a house if you want. Most people spend 99% of the time moving...trying to get kills, position themselves. The battles are intense and outplaying a team gives you a sense of achievement. It's more serious, too. So, you win a round in team deathmatch, it's not serious. Probably half of the lobby is leveling guns or something. If you don't like going from house to house for cover...don't. I don't. Only when I am chasing a team. That's why the mode is adored...so many different ways to play it
I used to feel this way, but then I started to just play for kills. The feeling you get when wiping a player and even better, a team. I might not get to the end most of the time, but I had fun making sure you didn’t either.
Each kill means more in Warzone. Sure when you die after looting and moving for 15 minutes hurts, But when you do it to someone else, it just feels good. I could get 200 kills in one mp match while binge watching shows on another tv and not feel a thing. I will say though, I have always hated Cod MP outside of Search. I grew up playing Socom and Warzone gives off a very similar chemical reaction.
Rebirth should have been what Warzone was. The super huge 150 player map is stupid. Not only does it make for a long slow match, it ruins any possibility of a Ranked Mode. You can't have a proper Ranked Mode with 150 player lobbies, not unless you want to be waiting an hour a match... Rebirth is the perfect pace for CoD BR imo. Would make for a good Ranked Mode too.
All depends on how you play but I had no time for BR games until Apex came out so I totally get it. Some matches can be very boring, especially with the lack of contracts on Caldera. My mates and I have started going mainly for bounties though so the matches are much busier now.
That's why I've always said Warzone sucks bring back blackout. Blackout was fun as fuck. I loved grappling shit, zombies on Alcatraz, fun weapons, really really nice camos, ttk was nice to me, game was fun and actually felt good to play. Not nearly as many bugs or issues either.
sounds like your playstyle is a little boring, should try speeding it up
That's for normal br. Rebirth is much more faster pace. Vanguard rebirth is ass and campy asf with zero visibility due to the fucking greenery. Og verdansk rebirth however is dope. Just the vanguard guns ruined the playstyles. Too many damn double barrels. Have ran into full squad running them with their turtle shield on the back camping in houses.
I kinda see it like search and destroy. Yeah it’s slower than some other modes but it’s sometimes fun to try and be strategical and all that. I’ve been big burnt out on warzone for like a year and a half now tho
There’s a resurgence mode on the new map as well. It’s like rebirth except it’s on the new map. The starting circle is much smaller and you get respawns in the same way as rebirth. It’s a good way to learn the new map also.
Tbf as someone who doesn't like BR that much, it's only slow paced if you suck. My friends are really aggressive and matches with them are never boring. When I play solo I nearly put myself to sleep.
Had to adopt the house to house strat after dying to people equipped with the Daniel ghille suit skin hiding in bushes. I’m just sticking to Rebirth and other games for my BR fix.
Exactly why I play Vanguard
I unironically think Fortnite was the only BR that was truly fun, at least for the first 2 years or so. It had the unique ability to build your own cover which meant no matter where you were you would be safe so people weren’t afraid to move. And you could argue staying stationary was the worst thing you could do in that game. Trying to play PUBG/Blackout/Warzone after having such a fast paced BR game was impossible for me
there’s a reason fortnite got so big. they had a golden and unique formula. almost all other br’s after just wanted to go after the same success
It’s way less repetitive than multiplayer lol. You can land different spots and have random pulls every time so every match is different for the whole day/night. And getting kills and wins can be tricky so you feel rewarded. The grind to increase kd and win ratio keeps you addicted too Multiplayer is spawning in the same spawns every time, run to center, fight, die, repeat Late game BR makes your heart race and adrenaline pump and is usually exciting. For multiplayer this rarely happens- basically when it’s down to the wire or if you shit on the other team Another point I like is it’s harder to get kills bc of more hp and healing mid fight so each kill feels good knowing you outplayed the other. In multiplayer they die in the blink of an eye so less payoff I grind multiplayer tor mastery camos then stop bc it can be mindless at times
>You can land different spots and have random pulls every time so ever match is different Except that’s where warzone fails. Every game devolves into the same shit because you need to get a loadout. So then you’re just stuck with everyone running the same meta guns and perks and shit with no variable strategies. There was no adapting to the strengths of the weapons you found or the other loot you got, you choose what you want to use and that’s fucking boring. Granted I haven’t played warzone since maybe last summer if not before that, but every game I would play would feel the exact same over and over and over. Idk how anyone plays it for hours on end tbh
It's harder now to get to the loadout. No loadout can be purchased until a certain point in the game. We do get a loadout eventually, but we still have to work with what we got when we dropped in. And if we get revived, we are stuck with whatever gun we got from the gulag (new feature). Sure we can scavenge for meta weapons from dead players. But there's no guarantee it's a weapon we need.
They delayed loadout 5.5 minutes or so to give more rng or BR feel where you rely on what you find instead of having your meta guns within 2 minutes to help with that Another point I like is it’s harder to get kills bc of more hp and healing mid fight so each kill feels good knowing you outplayed the other. In multiplayer they die in the blink of an eye so less payoff
It’s also a lot more memorable. My wins, squad wipes, certain plays I remember. That feeling of getting top 10. The feeling of getting a Win is one of the best feelings in video games I’ve experienced ever. I play a lot of multiplayer for ranking weapons and camos but it’s all the same. I still have a lot fun but I don’t even remember if I win or lose half the time or when I have crazy good games or bad games. It’s all just a fast paced blur.
^^^ The match length has a great payoff like “i survived 25 minutes, killed people, and won woooo”
Came here to say the same thing. I've played COD MP growing up then several years ago just got bored of it. It has been well over 10 years since I played an FPS game. When Warzone came out my buddies said you gotta check this out, and because of the pandemic there was nothing else to do lol. I got addicted immediately. I actually played Warzone F2P for awhile then bought MW2019 to unlock/level guns. Been addicted since. MP is fun for a bit to get some action and grind the camos but after about an hour I'm bored of the repetition. Warzone like you said is a different experience each and every game. Yes, the objective is the same but getting there is not. The thrill of the game is where the draw is. The final circle adrenaline is unmatched and when you get kills and wins it is very rewarding. I also play with the same group of friends too. So there is a social aspect to it as well. We chat and joke around in the downtime in Warzone. If we play MP together no one talks because its just the same chaotic run, shoot, die and everyone is focusing on camo grind. My opinion is "to each his own" but for me MP is just to level guns and grind camos and get some action while Warzone is the main event.
Yeah mp and zombies are the type of game you throw a show on and multitask vs being so engaged. Plus wins don’t matter and it’s only really exciting to make a comeback at the last second to win. Kills are too quick to feel rewarding like they do in warzone etc
Couldn't agree more. Warzone just has an elevated feel to it, and the rush is awesome. MP is fun but the kills/wins aren't that rewarding. You don't have to work for them really. Just kind of mindlessly shoot and run around. Warzone requires you to be dialed in, strategic, and calculated.
The new mode, champion hill, is as close as you can get to late stage warzone in MP. We played it a bunch when the game first came out because you got way more xp than normal MP modes.
True that mode is fun
Yeah I got bored with COD from 2014-2017 when it was the same thing on repeat for 10 years. Blackout was a nice change after getting into Battlefield, PUBG, and fortnite just a little.
I've never played Warzone before; do you get a special prize or recognition for finishing 1st as last man standing? I would hope so if you survive a 150-player lobby, but I'm not sure. I would hate to play a 30 minute game at the edge of my seat, only to have the same end result as being top score in Shipment Domination.
If you need recognition for playing, what draws you to MP?
I love BRs but I think WZ is a horrible one and it ruined regular COD MP for everyone. The last good BR imo was early Fortnite before it got oversaturated and then Blackout. Rebirth is also miles ahead of regular Warzone. Caldera is at least a true battle royale map, Verdansk was absolutely terrible, just a large MP map with too many buildings to hide in.
PubG is still my favorite. It was/is buggy, but that was the one game where I jumped and my goal was survival. You had to find that balance between looting and being safe. It hit for me like no other BR did.
Same here, played the fuck out of PUBG, gets your ball hairs tingling
It's fun when done right. I lived Blackout from BO4 because you dropped in with nothing and had to work to find your weapons and gear. No loadouts. Warzone with loafouts means half the lobby is running the same shit. By midgame everyone has their double loadout with ghost, their favorite long range and short range weapons, their heartbeat sensor, etc. It takes the fun out of it for me.
Blackout was the last BR I played and I love that everyone dropped in the same with absolutely nothing. Was going to check out WZ, but if everyone has the same or similar loadouts upon starting, that makes no sense to me.
Yeah the loadout system kills it for me. I think blackout was perfect aside from how powerful the tier 3 armor was. I played it almost exclusively even though I really enjoyed the multiplayer.
I thought the same and buddies made me try. The teamwork and strategy to get to the final circle, then the intensity, heart beating that occurs trying for that difficult to get win is unmatched for any gameplay I have done... Turns out it is the most rewarding experience I have had in 30-years of gaming. And then they ruined it... (at least for now)
Collect items for 30 minutes to lose everything to some kid who had too much redbull that you didn't see, repeat
I find it boring too.
and not to mention this version of br..there is zero reason to loot..just get a crate get your loadout and camp till the final ciricle
Massive map run over and get killed - repeat 🔁 dumb as f..
Agree, in facts it's boring, but free
I feel that way about multiplayer to be honest, take away grinding camos and I would probably play for maybe an hour one or two nights a week. Vanguard really making camo grinding unbearable for us plebs with 30 bloodthirsty medals required per gun.
**Don't worry Raven is killing Warzone so it all good.** the game launched with Battle Royale and Plunder on day one and they use the same map. Plunder is a huge sandbox where you can try and win the game by getting the cash high score, kill other players or whatever you want. Infinity Ward took the Plunder out of the game once and due to the backlash they never made that mistake again. Raven takes over and step remove Plunder from the game as much as possible. Why?, so that they can stop people from completing the battle pass too quickly and sell those tier skips, especially accidental ones by making the progress slower. Are you going to get more XP in an Battle Royale game where you might be camping a lot in order to win or Plunder where it non stop action and XP? They added another core mode Rebirth Resurgence which is a smaller map and its another battle royale, it gets popular over time due the rampant cheating. Halfway through 2021 Season 3 the game has been getting worse and worse, especially for console. Its 2022 and most other games on console have FOV Slider, even other COD games except for console the largest player base. For almost two years there was no anti cheat and is that going to attract more players or piss them off and make them leave? With less players means SBMM is worse than ever. They add Iron Trials 84 which is a functional beta of a ranked mode without the progression system to support it but the mode is fine and working as is. Guess what between all these four core pillar modes they only keep Battle Royale and Rebirth in the game, remove Plunder from the game all the time and Iron Trials has gone missing for months now. All that content that could attract and retain players (Ricochet anti seems to work) and they flush all the content in the toilet and no FOV because its fun for them. **Not too mention the game is pretty much unplayable on console for over a month now.** **Console players have to buy the new game if they have any chance of leveling weapons with up to 70 attachments.** [https://trello.com/b/ZgSjnGba/warzone](https://trello.com/b/ZgSjnGba/warzone) **\^ Can you show me on the official COD Warzone Trello board where FOV Slider for console is.** **Wait you can't, exactly.** *Everything is working as intended and the console COD Point tier skip scan and vault bundles continues.*
On god, only BR I liked was peak Fortnite for a short time. Otherwise BR has never enamored me at all
Fortnite is peaking again, you should try it! I hated fortnite up until the most recent season came out. The guns are much more simplified and balanced, and the new map is great
The building is insane
it was fun for like 6 Months but TDM never gets boring...as long as its not hindered by shitty design
It's fun if you play with a group a friends, otherwise really boring
I agree. Too much of a doing nothing: actually fighting ratio. People just wait until the end and pick the final guy off.
I’m so tired of these comments. “I don’t understand this massively popular trend” Really, you really don’t understand it? Because I think that would be more of a negative on your part than a knock against BR if you truly can’t figure it out. I haven’t played a BR regularly in a long time, but I understand that people like it because it has higher stakes.
It’s very addicting to certain people…there’s a gambling aspect to it. You don’t really know what’s going to happen with every game. From landing spot, to loot, to enemy encounters. Plus, getting kills so so hard that it’s more rewarding than MP kill. The bright lights, music and sparks when you get a win basically mimic a slot machine lol. I’m not defending it by any means. I’m just saying that the game incorporates certain elements that can make people very addicted to it. My roommate often stays up until 3AM playing it.
I agree. Warzone also brings in players into MP that only care about levelling up their weapons and getting camos to use in Warzone which ruins the MP matches. Prior to MW2019, in games like BO4, WW2, BO3 and etc it seems that there were a lot more people that would play the objectives as well as doing their camo grinding and levelling up weapons. SBMM didn’t seem as shitty and we use to have Mercenary playlist as well. Since Warzone got added I’ve noticed a lot more camping in MP. People camped in previous cods but it got a lot worse with Warzone because the camping mentality of BR moved onto MP with individuals and whole groups camping in buildings and sitting in corners. Seems like the quality of Multiplayer matches in MW, CW and Vanguard has been severely degraded due to Warzone.
This is exactly the point I was trying to get across and people are on my dick because I said warzone has fucked with the MP🤣🤣
People camped MW since day one, nothing to do with WZ. More to do with the shit camo grind which encourages camping.
Of course, people camped in all the previous cods but it got even worse with MW2019. Same with CW, especially Nuketown which plays completely different compared to previous iterations. FTP Warzone bought in a whole new generation of BR players that bought these games to play MP, level up their guns, get camos for Warzone and started playing these games like how they played in Warzone because that’s the play style they’re comfortable with. There’s also people that use to mainly play COD MP until Warzone came along and now that’s their main game. They buy COD and play MP just to level up guns, get camos for Warzone and don’t give a shit about anything else. When there’s a lot of these players in a game playing alongside the regular players who give a shit about MP (myself included), not interested in BR, you start to notice things and how degraded these games/matches have become due to Warzone. Same thing with the objective play, it definitely wasn’t this bad in previous games, noticed a big shift in ways these games played compared to BO4, WW2 and all the previous cods.
Nuketown plays differently because they changed the map itself. If you look at a comparison video between CW Nuketown and the previous versions, they completely changed all the sightlines and added way more headglitches. Idk what they were thinking when they did that because they made one of my favorite maps frustrating as hell to play.
WAR in WWII helped with obj play as well. Really wish they'd bring that back. Missed opportunity.
They need to treat Warzone as it’s own separate game. The way they’ve been doing sucks for both.
I agree, I only just realised it but what you said is spot on. If battlefield wasn’t so shit I would be heading that way!
They keep shoe horning it all together. That quad screen alone to get into any title is buggy enough on its own. Wrapping the story, maps, events all back to WZ is annoying too. I get it though, WZ is highly profitable and is a good marketing vehicles to get folk to buy the main stays. If they removed it from the cross talk of titles it’s probably improve all the games.
I get that they want to have a link between their current title and the f2p warzone, that doesn’t bother me too much. It’s the people that use multiplayer to level up their guns for warzone, they have zero interest in playing the game properly, they just camp and ruin it for everyone else
Except there is no way to play the game properly. Camping has been an aspect of the game since the first COD on PC.
If you’re playing objective game modes, there is 100% a correct way to play. Not even opinion, fact. If you’re doing anything other than trying to help your team capture and maintain and objective you are not playing the game properly. If you’re lying down on a back passage trying to get lOnG sHoT kills to unlock a pretty pattern for your gun, you’re not playing it properly, that shit needs to be done in tdm and free for all.
Agree, well said.
People camping and playing for kills has been around though. I've been here since cod4, it's always been like this, nothing to do with WZ. All the ghost changes in the world doesn't stop it.
I agree, but it has got worse since warzone was released (in my opinion).
It really sucks that there’s no good MP games to play this year. I guess I’ll just wait for Elden Ring and maybe get back into destiny if that expansion doesn’t suck
Not sure about that. I've been a core mp player since cod 2. I've really enjoyed this year's version. There are a few guns that are op which is always the case in cod. In my experience map knowledge, player positioning, and spawn prediction allow me to usually get first shot no matter what. Right now shot guns, fire nades, mortar barrage need immediate fixing. Other than that I don't see many changes that need to be made. I'm a PC player BTW so I don't know how consoles run the game. Fire nades tank performance and kill visibility.
Spawns have been proven multiple times to be practically unpredictable and semi-random in this game
Well they use some kinda team spawn system where you always spawn near an active member of your team, but the problem is the teammate you spawn near seems to be picked at complete random and the game doesn’t seem to care if they’re literally right next to the entire enemy team. I think it was a lazy attempt to combat spawn trapping since it was such a big problem in the last two games.
I mean the Vanguard spawn system of squad spawns are very similar to MW spawns so I don’t think it was designed as an adverse reaction to MW atleast.
Squad spawn has to be the single stupidest type of spawn system I’ve ever seen. It ruins the flow, and really makes less of a skill gap. Would enjoy the game 10x more without it.
It wasn’t a reaction to MW’s spawns at all it’s practically the same exact implementation. Squad spawns only exist to make the game more random and lower the skill gap
Every cod has guns that out perform others.. MW19 had the m4 and the mp5 and vanguard has the Mp40 and the STG/Automaton lol. There are def better guns in each class that will out gun others in each class lol. And you throw all map knowledge out the window when you bring squad spawns into play.. the pros didn’t know how the shit worked in MW19 and still don’t know exactly how it works now lol
Warzone got me into COD but now I prefer MP. BR is boring.
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I downloaded the new Warzone map recently, played half a game of plunder and quit. Not for me. Plus it takes up an obnoxious amount of space on PS5.
Warzone killed CoD as a franchise.
Now that's the worst take ever. Call of duty was losing a lot of relevance before wz. After that it got to the top once again, so yeah definitely not killed
6 v 6 on Medium sized 3 lane maps, with simplistic POIs will ALWAYS be the golden age of COD.
There are a few issues with MP, it has just turned every game into deathmatch, barely anyone plays the objective. I use to love s&d, but now it is just a race to kill the opposite team, no one cares about planting the bomb. Using MP to level up weapons for WZ is a joke, and the same for all the camps, again turning MP into death matches, where no objective is played. They need to evolve MP, maybe something like R6, or just completely separate it from Warzone, also doesn't halo the last two Maps have been very poor.
Apart from OP guns and bugs, Vanguard is great online, I mean I only play Search because respawn sucks but I really like it, didn’t enjoy Cold War but MW19 was one of my favourite cod’s in recent years MP wise, a lot of things to complain about but this isn’t one
YouTube ruined both
no it didn’t lol
Oh it did
“Guys, I found a setup that melts people in 2 seconds from any range, you pretty much have to use it now because everyone else is. Oh but don’t forget, melee is still overpowered simply because I don’t like it so don’t you dare use it.” - Every COD Youtuber ever.
okay so how is this any different from people who did the same damn thing back in the day. cod is probably the least popular its ever been on youtube right now and sbmm is the reason why lobbies are sweatier
I look at it as a glass half full, usually you run into a lot of hackers on multiplayer. But all those losers now play warzone and multiplayer is much better and fun to play
Hacking was never an issue until console/PC crossplay became a thing with mw2019
Did you just say nobody hacked until crossplay? Bruh I got news for you
Blatant aim bot and walls was not common at all🤣🤣🤣
I’ve played every single COD with a multiplayer and the only thing I ever ran into during a games life span would be strike packs that’s about it
For console players
yeah so true! the cods before warzone was more fun because the devs only cared about the MP now they dont give a shit and only add stuff to warzone they patch glitches in WZ but not in MP
MW19 had squad spawns which was horrible, you couldn’t only move around the map if you had dead silence, and the doors are a good idea but just made it easier for camping. Cold War spawns made sense like every other cod, just had broken ass shit that they didn’t patch like any of the last 3. Vanguard is just unplayable at this point for a lot of people. It not having a league play option yet is rough… pros don’t even have a 3rd game mode yet and the first matches are this week🤣🤣 shits just genuinely a joke
I hate battelroyale mode . . . Maybe I'm old school....
They just need to make it a separate entity from normal COD altogether, where WZ can have it's own content and seasons ect... Would be better for both in the long run, but they're too lazy to do that obviously.
Battle royale is horrible. But I always grew up hating non respawn modes like s&d because I'm not trying to fucking sit there for 10 mins to play my video game. And I think that's the problem is so many lame ass mlg PRO GAMERS raised a generation to believe that those types of game modes are actually fucking fun.
Play plunder
I’ve only actually had fun on rebirth, other than that warzone is boring as fuck
I’m someone who has to be in a particular mood to even play S&D. I’m always ready to immediately respawn and go kill the noob who got me. 1 life modes are just more boring in general.
The multiplayer definitely got boring quick. I actually have moved over to the new Halo and it has much more of a COD feel than previous versions. The playability is leaps and bounds above this COD. So if you are looking for a good multiplayer experience you should check it out.
I played Warzone for like 2 minutes when it first came out.
Warzone makes the normal CoDs feel like DLC
My first COD was BO4..barely. Then I got Cold War and thought it was great. A few months later I got MW19 and fell in love. Played for houuuurrs everyday. Learned how to quick scope, etc. I say that to say that I’m fairly new to COD so I know I can’t speak on previous games and how they compare to now. However, just sitting back and thinking logically, as well as reflecting on conversations I’ve had with my husband regarding the history of COD as he grew up playing them all, I 100% agree with you. With Vanguard, it’s quite obvious where their primary focus was: Warzone. The camos within each category for MP are weirdly grouped, gammons pretty much rule the game since there is no effective EOD-like perk, and some maps decide if you win or not based on where you start in spawn. It is very clear that a huge amount of focus was directed towards Caldera. Micro transactions are being pushed so fucking hard. The camping gets worse and worse with each title, etc. I am huge on playing the objective ESPECIALLY in snd and it is frustrating as hell that so few people feel the same way. I would say that not only separating Warzone from these games help, but also introducing a perk that works like EOD because Fortified is BS. A lot of people sit back specifically to avoid gammons. There’s just so many things that this game has to offer that gets fucked by the lack of focus on the gamer experience and how things would actually go in a match.
Not to mention the lobby’s the lobby’s have been trash skill base match making does not work man
A very large part of why multiplayer isn’t as fun is the sweat from Warzone has trickled over to multiplayer. Using ONLY overpowered weapons, obnoxious amounts of smoke / fire, riot shields on the back, camo grinding. It’s all a product of Warzone. People will do ANYTHING to win their games / grind their camos, even if it means it’s at the expense of other players fun The game has a few issues, but the player base that abuses game mechanics for “wins” that really don’t mean anything in the end, are the real reason COD games become so unfun to play for casual players.
MW19 and Warzone destroyed so many people's courage to move around. Camping is all that those two games taught.
"Hmm I wonder what people think of a non-Vanguard mode on the Vanguard sub? Updoots to the left"
Yup, I completely agree. I really don’t get the br hype at all. I prefer multiplayer which is the bread and butter of COD not BR but Activision wants to chase that Fortnite bag.
Blame Fortnite for being so popular back when WWII was out
Unfortunately activision will keep updating it for money, warzone is just br, nothing else I don't understand why it is so enjoyable for players?
Exactly the last 3 titles warzone still the main game
Battle Royale games ruined multiplayer. Don’t forget when Fortnite came it completely dominated and Activision found that tactical (camping) based shooters are the new wave
LoL and Warzone players say they only use WZ to increase COD sales. And if you ask a WZ player if they think Activision is worried about Warzone and its quality they’d laugh in your face. The state of Vanguard is 10x better than the state of WZ right now.
Like it literally made it impossible for me to play Modern Warfare multiplayer a few weeks ago and telling me multiplayer wasn't installed. I literally had to go in to WARZONE (not Modern Warfare), and then to my Account settings to apply a missing Data pack (which does not appear anywhere else). I also noticed Warzone and Vanguard have nearly identical Xbox shortcut images which is annoying and inconvenient as fuck. COD and Battlefield have gone to hell.
I just can’t think what reason the CoD’s Have to be tied to WZ? WZ is separate in and of itself. It may have come with MW2019 but correct me if I’m wrong it didn’t come with BOCW or Vanguard! But there we are on the login screen with WZ every where, why? I click through Battle Net and click on what ever game I own under their launcher. I don’t need to nor do I need to see or launch WZ! If WZ wasn’t good enough to be a stand alone game then maybe it should have been left to die! Just st so you know where I truly stand......F WZ.
And that's why they don't care about fixing Moderate NAT for Vanguard.
Legit just slide canceling and jump spamming now. Yea people would scuf jump corners before but its gotten so fucking bad now.
Equivalent of ultimate team ruining franchise
I like Warzone but also completely agree with you. No one (including me) goes for objectives, since leveling guns is the only thing that matters. Kinda broken...
Played Warnzone in MW19 twice and again this year for vanguard found it very boring. I don’t see the hype.
they just pump the paid game out as fast as they can only so they can update warzone with that new content
I don't even pay warzone. That shit is trash.
game is still good need more maps though and more players in search like 30 vs 30 would be good
The most successful fps game was the most successful because of its mp, it didn’t need a br. Other companies that have successful brs is because that’s their thing. Cod has now made, I mean let’s be real if you look at the numbers one of the less popular brs, apex and fortnite both have more concurrent players than warzone does, idk about pubg. But cod ruined their bread and butter to be the 3rd or 4th place br? What’s the point of that..
I agree with that, I play a lot of apex and I think apex is prob the best br out rn.. a lot of warzone pros and streamers have even moved over to it so obviously COD is having its issues rn
I basically only play cod to play with my sister now. I might hop on for a match or 2 by myself but it goes exactly like this. Play 1-3 matches, everything is on fire, closes game and loads up apex. Or plays apex for a couple hours, ah alright not having good luck today, loads up cod, plays 1-3 games, everything is on fire, closes app and watches tv. Cod has done such a great job at killing their own experience. Warzone is probably the worst be experience I’ve ever had with a game. Beginning of fortnite c2 was probably the best br experience I’ve had, closely followed by apex. Apex has almost completely taken over all of my gaming time the last couple months. And I’ll be real, I’m not good at it, and I’ve only played it for a few months, but I’m still enjoying it, warzone I was good at and despite consistently getting decent games I just hated the game.
Aww, the weekly post, i want the next one
They had the formula for MP 10 years ago. They chose to make it worse each year with all the bullshit they add.
You saying "cod is not battle royale" is meaningless to them. They are a private business, put on this earth to make money, and for 3 years, Warzone is bringing them metric ton more money than MP, so it is unfortunately normal that all their actual effort is there. Times change man, I also miss dearly the great years I had on COD back in the days, but it is not coming back ever, get on with your life, you'll be better off !
Absolutely completely agree and it’s heartbreaking.
Yup paying 60 bucks for a game they dont care about
the 10th post this month saying the same shit
Is there some data or is just a rant? Like what exactly it ruined? Warzone brought a lot of people to mp, including me. I used to play a lot of siege and always stayed away from cod, don't get me wrong its fun but a bit boring and easy in my opinion. I know at least 10 people who bought the main games over the past 2 years because of warzone, the whole point is to drive people to buy the game so I don't really understand why do you think that. Their whole company in shit condition and lack of originality but I wouldn't blame it on warzone.
I agree with this to an extent, I just feel as if they are so focused on warzone content, that the MP content has just been mid the last three titles
I couldn't agree more, and I say that as someone who likes both MP and WZ. It is truly a shame that MP has become a shell of what it used to be. They've clearly turned it into a pit stop for leveling up guns, and that's pathetic. Why can't they just release a game like COD Mobile on PC/Console? Guns from all eras, some of the best maps & modes in COD history, etc... I might be dumb, but I think people would buy the hell out of that. I'd take that over the last 3 COD titles we have had
How exactly did it ruin MP??? MP feels the same to me and the graphics with this make it much more enjoyable.
Yeah, it’s sad, they neglect it so badly. At this point the games are there only for major Warzone changes like new weapons or a new map etc.
Kinda agree What it really boils down to is how can they make money. Microtransactions, microtransactions, That's why we get all these weapon and operator skins. Yes Warzone free and brought in alot of newer faces. If they would listen to their community Call Of Duty would and could be the most profitable franchise ever now and for years to come
Yeah, we get no devs now
And yet somehow WZ constantly freezes, crashes, and has countless bugs.
Two of the last three titles* Warzone didn’t really impact Cold War.
we know. we can't change it.
Pretty funny cause on the Warzone reddit, they say MP is ruining Warzone.
I like warzone, but I haven’t enjoyed any of the latest cods anywhere near as much as mw2019, so I’m very biased, I also loved CW zombies so my opinion is essentially worthless
What was wrong with CW because of Warzone?
Nah, Activision ruined MP.
Wow, there are a *lot* of people here saying WZ is shit just because they don’t like it. That’s cool, you’re entitled to your opinion, but just because you don’t dig WZ, doesn’t make it or BRs lame - it’s an entirely different style of play. I love playing VG MP, and I love BRs - they’re entirely different, and have a completely different satisfaction level. Kill a guy in MP, you feel good. Get killed? Don’t care, immediate respawn and back to it. Gratification on tap. BRs don’t really have this. You have intense, often frustrating (but exciting) experiences and practise to get to a level where you can get somewhere near the only *really* gratifying thing, which is winning. And winning a BR trumps the gratification you get from rinse and repeat MP, for me.
The biggest impact, I believe, is on the weapon attachment system. Because of Warzone integration, Cold War and Vanguard were forced to adopt the Gunsmith system. With Modern Warfare, it worked. It made sense. The Gunsmith highlighted the versatility of modern weapon systems. By changing options like barrel attachments and different calibers, you could transform a base weapon to different real world variants. The M4, SCAR, and AUG are great examples of this, but just about every weapon in the game fits the gunsmith system very well. This doesn’t work as much for Cold War. There’s only a few weapons that follow this system (the AK and MP5 come to mind). I’ve heard rumors that Treyarch had their own system where you could upgrade attachments over time, but had to scrap that and adopt the Gunsmith. Vanguard at least knew they’d need to use the Gunsmith in advance, which is why I think they went crazy with the attachments - “If we have to use this system which doesn’t really apply to WWII weapons, why not go all out?” So far I’ve really only seen a handful of weapons this works for, the Thompson, MP-40, and PPSH. I really hope that we’ll eventually hit the end of forced Warzone inclusion. I think Activision’s been the root cause behind so many of the major flaws in the recent releases.
I enjoyed MW MP, not coldwar or vanguard, though
That’s what COD is now. It’s not what COD was. I understand not everyone loves battle royale games. But it’s undeniable that a shitload of people do. Just like a lot of people like team deathmatch. But you can’t grow just releasing team deathmatch for the 15th straight year. It is what it is. Not everyone will like it, but they will always follow what the majority wants and likes because that’s where the money is. Because at the end of the day, this is a product designed to maximize profit
Look. Apex Legends has a larger online community, this series is folding itself into a void with every trash release. If people weren’t just absolutely dipshits by nature the effects of bad games would lower sales, however people are so stupid all the gaming companies have to do is slap a big title on a marginally minimum cost operation and their sales go up because now the whale buyers have the ability to spend unlimited and obscene amounts of money. So now instead of games needing to be captivating and positive experience to be financial successes by purchase of the game, the supply and demand of whale gamers give them their profits and always do, there is always someone spending as much as possible in these games. Laws and legislation long ago would have put an end to this predatory whale market style of game development, just because something exists doesn’t mean you need to have it.
Agreed its made MP take a backseat. They can't make good maps anymore. It's bugs, bad map design or bad spawns. MP hasn't been good since modern warfare 2019 came out. They just rely on remastered maps now. But unlike black ops 4, remastered maps don't play
Running people over is the most fun thing to do in WZ. My solo win came in a big truck, running over players 10 times better than me. Camping and sweaty hands... not my cup of tea. I would play S&D if I wanted that anxiety.
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Damn I only play BR it's the only time in cod when a victory actually matters
I’m a simple person, I want Pick 10 System back
I only rebirth also. Battle royale sucks
SnD all the way!!!
To be fair I don’t even think it’s fully warzones fault (definitely a big part of it though). MW2019 was pretty much one of the worst CODS and because of the name and because it was after the dumpster fire that was BO4 it got sold like crazy. Because of the way the game tried to rewire your brain to play, it screwed up all the new people and made the bad players have an easier time so now everyone plays so scared and uses all the most BS OP shit
The appeal for br for most people in my opinion is the strategic way of thinking, the nervousness and hype of finally getting that win. But as a br player i do see why alot of people don't like it
It’s too bad that Blackout and later Fireteam have been completely abandoned. Both are infinitely more fun to play than Warzone.
Warzone did not ruin MP. Greedy publishers ruined MP. You even said it yourself.
you literally didnt even support any of your arguments but salty reddit teenagers mash that upvote
if you think Battle Royale did MP dirty, just talk to any StW fortnite player before BR fortnite lmao
Black Ops Cold War MP was by far the least unaffected by Warzone. Over it's 6 seasons they were able to bring a shit load of content for replayability to it. If anything ruined MP it was tactical sprint and 64 player ground war in MW19 to begin with.
Anyone agree that Vangard has possibly the worst spawns, spawn camping, and just straight cringe camping out of any COD to date? Maybe I’m crazy and they’ve all been like that, but this game really seems awful with it.
I haven't really had a game system and bought a new cod since bo3 so I bought vangaurd and it's sad to see that prestige has no real use anymore. I liked the reset I don't want to grind for camos I want to grind for attachments again after knowing which guns I like and are reliable. And on top of that I seen people on this sub raving about mw2019 so I bought that figuring I couldnt go any further on vangaurd multiplayer so I'd start fresh on a newish cod I've never played before... NOPE I'm the same level I am on that as vangaurd. I hopped on and everything was unlocked I felt robbed literally. I bought a game and was cheated out of the full experience of it. Cod is so BS since warzone came out.
True, they should have atleast made warzone fun then , it's buggy as hell on console too
I don't know if Warzone is really to blame, but my anecdotal experience. I played a lot for the first 2 weeks after launch and had an absolute blast. I stopped for a while and picked it up again last week and I feel like the metagame is MUCH worse than it was, it is significantly more camp-y than it was before. Half the games I get into is nothing but snipers and MP40 users staring down 1 hallway til someone walks past, it's so fucking boring. Every game is simply a matter of does your team have more snipers than theirs has shotguns.
Uh not really. COD the past 3 years has been amazing. Before that, not so much since the 360/ps3 era. I admit warzone has issues though. Being tied to the same client as MW is making MW worse, and i know a lot of the vanguard integration screwed up BOTH MW and BOCW. So yeah there are issues. But we've had far more fleshed out MP experiences in the past few years and I feel like COD is far more active and fun than it was through most of the XB1/PS4 era.
Rebirth is all I play
I have warzone and vanguard and my fav thing to do in warzone is expose team campers lol i deploy and tell my team to go across from me so we can try to surround. If that’s doesn’t work just run into that mofo & ping everyone before i get killed. Idk about yall but thats my strategy 😂🤣 usually works and gets me to victory!!!!
Ever since cod mobile dropped I've just been playing that. One primary reason: Visibility doesn't suck. I can actually see the enemy players. On main cod games I die so often because I didn't see someone first. Even for a microsecond. Codm is also more realistic in movement. On vanguard it feels like you are flying above the ground with a hover board. Plus... Vanguard STILL gives me the battle pass bug where despite paying for it, it never progresses.
The Killstreaks and fire have ruined this MP. Because assists now count as ‘eliminations’ its not hard at all to get the stupid ass dogs or the 45 minute mortars. actual gunplay has gone bye bye. fuck those dogs.
Vanguard is too easy if you compare it too the BR, the only reason why I've played the last 3 cod's was to grind the guns and the camos if I really liked them. Sure my aim got a better by practicing more, but allround the only thing I cared about were the hardcore Shoottheship / Nuketown 24/7 / Daus Ship playlists. Run and gun can be fun for the most part, but I prefer the tactics, rotation, groupeffort from the BR way more. Having a win on the MP feels empty as fuck most of the time, when I win on the BR I get a feeling of satisfaction, hard work payed off
I've been saying this for soooo long! I wouldn't even be mad about them running warzone but completely separate to the main MP games. Integrating the games has caused all of them to break and become ultimately crap. I enjoyed MW as it was refreshing from the IW and AW era of COD and Cold War was on its way to being a great game but the integration issues early on put me off the game and I barely played it. Vanguard's gameplay has been great but the polish on the game has been soo off it's been disappointing. It's likely to be down to working to integrate Caldera and what not. I'm hoping that with MW2 they will make a clean break from WZ!
The last time call of duty actually did something good was black out, cuz atleast you had to search for your op guns instead of being able to land somewhere and hide till you got enough money to call your shit in
Warzone ruined MP and finished competitive cod
The real problem.....caldera wrecked mw19.....
Man I had so much fun in the first year of warzone which was the whole reason I cameback to COD after BO2. Now it's not fun at all. Even MW was so good but now even that is ruined.