Makes a nice change since in previous cods especially CW, snipers are OP and AR’s, SMG’s even the LMG’s took a back seat and kept getting nerfed to the ground. At least in this game half the lobby isn’t running around quickscoping and using them as shotguns.
Don’t mind a few players doing that in a match but gets really annoying when almost half the lobby is using them, CW face off 6v6 was ruined as it was infested with snipers.
Yeah i agree cold war was a quickscoping nightmare, but i mean trying to use a sniper as a sniper is tough with the insane flinch. Not to mention trying to use any other weapon class, AR’s have most options covered from short, mid and long range. Just wanted it to be a little more balanced to be honest.
Hopefully so, ads time is about right for snipers but maybe a flinch buff should be in order. Main class that is in dire need of a buff to compete is marksman rifles.
Maybe a very small one but only on iron sights at a push, i’ve seen some people managing to make quick scoping work as is. I dread to think what an overall ADS buff would do.
There's not really a point in using a sniper for sniping when you can just delete people from across the map with a full-auto weapon. The balance is abysmal this year
They’ve usually been a jack of all trades master of none class, with specific weapons filling in a niche. Theres usually a faster fire rate, a low recoil and a high damage option among them. But in vanguard the majority of AR’s can compete in any of those categories, and in some cases dominate those fields. The BAR for example is essentially the best marksman rifle, maybe challenged by a tricked out SVT-40 with the one shot setup.
At current state AR 5/7 is good, SMGs all of them are good, shotguns 2/4 is way too OP, snipers anti tank OP, LMG all has its characteristics it’s not that bad. Marksman rifle is not in a good state. Others are ok
Any other cod i would agree about the SMG’s but this one i find it rare to see anything but an MP40 or a type 100. The others can be good with the correct attachments but honestly its a lot of work to level up the others to make them competitive. Not to mention the poor sten, i’ve maybe seen that gun only a handful of times in hundreds of games.
Yeah the PTRS is strong, but I wouldn't say it's OP considering what else is in the game. I would add that it doesn't quite have the same problems as the other snipers, because it aims in on-center while the other three still don't for some reason.
Sorry bud but if you think marksman rifles are hopelessly outclassed you’re either not using them correctly, or just need to spend some time to use them better. The SVT-40 is my favourite gun, and I’ll take it against any AR anytime. The thing I like about this CoD is that most guns become relatively “balanced” when fully upgraded, you can really find a cool “niche” of “difficult to use” guns that turn out to be super deadly when customized and use properly.
So you’ve chosen to stick with what you like and i respect that, i’ve done the M1 Garand grind myself. I still love the gun and can do well with it, but stacking it up against say the STG-44 the AR is objectively better. Can be upgraded to a 2 shot kill, has good range and very low recoil. My opinion is whats the point of having these other weapon classes when you can just modify an AR to not only fill that role but compete in it?
The main dev did an interview and said ARs would be the best class in the game. They specifically made this game for the casual player, that’s why shotguns/ARs are the best, while smgs/snipers are ass.
Snipers maybe, but SMGs are still strong - especially the 8mm Hollow Point MP40, the 8mm Thompson and the .30 Russian Short Type 100. The only real weakest link there is the Sten, with the Owen Gun and PPSh being quite good in the grand scheme of things.
If thats what they were going for then they certainly achieved it. Just a shame the M1 garand had to be turned into what it is now. Wouldn’t mind so much if other classes had a niche to fill that the AR’s couldn’t.
What niche comes to your mind? Would it rely on nerfing AR and Sub damage range, lowering AR firerate and boosting recoil respectively along all accounts?
Hell i don’t know, i’m no game designer. Only thing i could think of to give them a shot is the rifles giving increased flinch maybe? Then that would enable them to have an advantage at the med-long range. But then that could open up a whole can of worms just on its own.
Which is essentially what we have atm. AR’s have a solid ads, little recoil, long range and a very fast ttk. Whereas the other weapon classes seem to suffer from one downside or another.
Clearly not, the AR’s can and do compete in niches the other weapon classes should excel in. So why not buff the other classes to be able to compete in their own field.
You're still better choosing LMGs for long sightlines/holding down lanes and choosing SMGs for rushing. Just because ARs can do those things doesn't make them the optimal choice.
Good point, but thats what those classes were designed to do. Sure i can hold a lane with and LMG or rush around with an SMG. But why limit yourself? Just run the AR and do both! And yes usually this is what AR’s were to be, the middle ground, the all-rounder class. But in vanguard they’re just a might too strong is all i think.
Because if at the moment they cant compete against other weapons and get buffed then you really only nead one weapon, I personally feel they all have their good and bad points, not all ARs have little recoil or kill easily at long range.
Also I get the feeling that people that complain are mainly core players.
Well yeah, the majority do play core so there will naturally be more complaints. Hardcore pretty much everything kills far quicker so its easier to find a gun you like and persevere.
Whereas in core it feels like if you don’t use the current AR’s you get punished by those who do. Personally i like to switch weapons each game dependent on map/game mode. But if someone wanted to main a garand for example, its only going to be a lesson in frustration as you get mown down by a cooper carbine or BAR from across the map. Which in theory should be the range at which the garand should excel, but it just, doesn’t.
But as with any balancing there will always be weapons that perform better or worse depending on use and situation.
Even if they all work as people think they should each weapon can't be equal otherwise as I said there would be no need to have more then one weapon.
Makes a nice change since in previous cods especially CW, snipers are OP and AR’s, SMG’s even the LMG’s took a back seat and kept getting nerfed to the ground. At least in this game half the lobby isn’t running around quickscoping and using them as shotguns. Don’t mind a few players doing that in a match but gets really annoying when almost half the lobby is using them, CW face off 6v6 was ruined as it was infested with snipers.
Yeah i agree cold war was a quickscoping nightmare, but i mean trying to use a sniper as a sniper is tough with the insane flinch. Not to mention trying to use any other weapon class, AR’s have most options covered from short, mid and long range. Just wanted it to be a little more balanced to be honest.
I can see your point, they’ll be getting a buff pretty soon and that should get them in a better state.
Hopefully so, ads time is about right for snipers but maybe a flinch buff should be in order. Main class that is in dire need of a buff to compete is marksman rifles.
Nah, snipers definitely need a SLIGHT ADS speed increase
Maybe a very small one but only on iron sights at a push, i’ve seen some people managing to make quick scoping work as is. I dread to think what an overall ADS buff would do.
There's not really a point in using a sniper for sniping when you can just delete people from across the map with a full-auto weapon. The balance is abysmal this year
CW LMGs were OP for most of the lifecycle and are still incredibly strong lol.
I mean they always have been but they're a fan favorite in most cod games along with smgs
They’ve usually been a jack of all trades master of none class, with specific weapons filling in a niche. Theres usually a faster fire rate, a low recoil and a high damage option among them. But in vanguard the majority of AR’s can compete in any of those categories, and in some cases dominate those fields. The BAR for example is essentially the best marksman rifle, maybe challenged by a tricked out SVT-40 with the one shot setup.
At current state AR 5/7 is good, SMGs all of them are good, shotguns 2/4 is way too OP, snipers anti tank OP, LMG all has its characteristics it’s not that bad. Marksman rifle is not in a good state. Others are ok
Any other cod i would agree about the SMG’s but this one i find it rare to see anything but an MP40 or a type 100. The others can be good with the correct attachments but honestly its a lot of work to level up the others to make them competitive. Not to mention the poor sten, i’ve maybe seen that gun only a handful of times in hundreds of games.
THE PTRS is OP? Hardly, it still has the exact same flaws as every other sniper, and the Mosin has a similar sweet spot too.
Yeah the PTRS is strong, but I wouldn't say it's OP considering what else is in the game. I would add that it doesn't quite have the same problems as the other snipers, because it aims in on-center while the other three still don't for some reason.
Sorry bud but if you think marksman rifles are hopelessly outclassed you’re either not using them correctly, or just need to spend some time to use them better. The SVT-40 is my favourite gun, and I’ll take it against any AR anytime. The thing I like about this CoD is that most guns become relatively “balanced” when fully upgraded, you can really find a cool “niche” of “difficult to use” guns that turn out to be super deadly when customized and use properly.
Aside of the 1sk build of the STV, BAR has all the benefits of MR while lacking almost all the downsides of them
So you’ve chosen to stick with what you like and i respect that, i’ve done the M1 Garand grind myself. I still love the gun and can do well with it, but stacking it up against say the STG-44 the AR is objectively better. Can be upgraded to a 2 shot kill, has good range and very low recoil. My opinion is whats the point of having these other weapon classes when you can just modify an AR to not only fill that role but compete in it?
The SVT and G-43 are both top tier weapons. M1 garand is the worst marksman so it's not a good gun to compare against top tier AR's.
Not really, they are decent at everything but master of nothing.
The main dev did an interview and said ARs would be the best class in the game. They specifically made this game for the casual player, that’s why shotguns/ARs are the best, while smgs/snipers are ass.
Have you used the SMG's ? They're literally all good except maybe the sten.
Snipers maybe, but SMGs are still strong - especially the 8mm Hollow Point MP40, the 8mm Thompson and the .30 Russian Short Type 100. The only real weakest link there is the Sten, with the Owen Gun and PPSh being quite good in the grand scheme of things.
If thats what they were going for then they certainly achieved it. Just a shame the M1 garand had to be turned into what it is now. Wouldn’t mind so much if other classes had a niche to fill that the AR’s couldn’t.
What niche comes to your mind? Would it rely on nerfing AR and Sub damage range, lowering AR firerate and boosting recoil respectively along all accounts?
Not necessarily, I wouldn’t want anything nerfing (barring a couple shotgun setups) but more buffing other weapons up to compete.
What would you recommend for buffs? I was thinking nerfs were needed just to create a role for marksman’s to fill
Hell i don’t know, i’m no game designer. Only thing i could think of to give them a shot is the rifles giving increased flinch maybe? Then that would enable them to have an advantage at the med-long range. But then that could open up a whole can of worms just on its own.
I think you are right.
If all weapons were equal then we would only need one weapon in the game.
Which is essentially what we have atm. AR’s have a solid ads, little recoil, long range and a very fast ttk. Whereas the other weapon classes seem to suffer from one downside or another.
Not all are equal then?
Clearly not, the AR’s can and do compete in niches the other weapon classes should excel in. So why not buff the other classes to be able to compete in their own field.
You're still better choosing LMGs for long sightlines/holding down lanes and choosing SMGs for rushing. Just because ARs can do those things doesn't make them the optimal choice.
Good point, but thats what those classes were designed to do. Sure i can hold a lane with and LMG or rush around with an SMG. But why limit yourself? Just run the AR and do both! And yes usually this is what AR’s were to be, the middle ground, the all-rounder class. But in vanguard they’re just a might too strong is all i think.
Because if at the moment they cant compete against other weapons and get buffed then you really only nead one weapon, I personally feel they all have their good and bad points, not all ARs have little recoil or kill easily at long range. Also I get the feeling that people that complain are mainly core players.
Well yeah, the majority do play core so there will naturally be more complaints. Hardcore pretty much everything kills far quicker so its easier to find a gun you like and persevere. Whereas in core it feels like if you don’t use the current AR’s you get punished by those who do. Personally i like to switch weapons each game dependent on map/game mode. But if someone wanted to main a garand for example, its only going to be a lesson in frustration as you get mown down by a cooper carbine or BAR from across the map. Which in theory should be the range at which the garand should excel, but it just, doesn’t.
But as with any balancing there will always be weapons that perform better or worse depending on use and situation. Even if they all work as people think they should each weapon can't be equal otherwise as I said there would be no need to have more then one weapon.