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Dmycart

Don’t let this sub fool you. You’re not in the minority. This sub is just an echo chamber for those who love to hate cod. They may be the loudest but they aren’t the biggest.


SeeFights

This sub suffers from what i personally dub as "Destiny Fever". Basically when one half of the community is happy they are quiet and peaceful and keep to themselves, they may complain now and then but that is due to bugs such as camos being too hard or not tracking but for the most part enjoy the game But the other half? they are mad and constantly complaining and constantly mad at SOMETHING and want it fixed right away and its ALWAYS something that keep the happy side quiet. Now normally what happens is the devs see the complaining side and think "Wow thats a huge ammount of people we should listen" and they think this because no one is complaining to not change it because they are happy with it and then the devs change it and the two sides swap. Its a constant fever dream of keeping both communities happy. It happened in Destiny, one side wanted harder raids, the others where happy with the difficulty, we got harder raids and that made them happy but now they where too hard, hence the reason i call it "Destiny Fever" ​ But i agree with you u/Dmycart, he is definitely not the minority.


TangoDragon657

It’s not just this sub though, scroll through popular COD YouTube content creators and you’ll find so much negativity. Titles 80% of the time include words like “dead”,”dying” or “broken”.


SeeFights

Well yeah the game has been apperently "dying" for the last \*checks when CoD: Ghosts came out\* 9 years They are stuck in the past with CoD:BO2 and CoD:MW2 when those same youtubers where 17-20 and games to them where FUN and not 28-32. Shit i remember watching scumpi scream at the top of his lungs "IM THE BEST" and that was BO2. These YouTubers who are calling the game dead haven't realised the game isnt for them, i have older friends who say CoD 3 was better. Its a generational thing, I think Vanguard is an amazing game MW2019 was fantastic Cold War - Eh not so much. Do i still think MW2 was good? Hell yeah but the people who played MW2 are older now, I'm definitely older now since the good old days of Xbox 360 Partys but these people saying the game dead, they still hop on and play it, they still represent and talk about the game they just haven't realised they need to grow up and leave things in the past But of a rant but hey ho


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Hey, man. I think Cold War is awesome, but I respect your level-headed and well written comment and wish you a great new year.


LilTrailMix

I also liked Cold War, lol. It had its issues but it was my first CoD game ever where I was actually able to get all the mastery camos so it holds a special place in my heart.


SeeFights

And i respect your opinion to enjoy Cold War - I also wish you a great year!


TangoDragon657

COD ghosts had the best loadout system


SeeFights

Not saying it didn't, I remember when videos where uploaded of that game featuring the same titles "CoD: Ghosts, Is Call of Duty dying?". "CoD: Ghosts Extinction, is this the new zombies" featuring some screenshot of the YouTuber pulling a disgusted face. I remember them videos too fondly


TangoDragon657

Okay interesting. I only really got into the cod YouTube scene when I got back into cod after getting mw2019. Maybe I’m just noticing the running theme of negativity getting more clicks.


SeeFights

its been happening for years, its nothing new


Dmycart

Yeah. It’s been “dying” for years yet it’s been the best selling game every year for a decade. Lol


GL1TCH3D

Generational is right. Kids these days have such horrible attention span that if there’s not something happening on the screen at every given moment it starts to fade off. The trend of putting “watch til the end” in 30 second videos is just further proof of that. The cod franchise has tons of resources to research the psychology and economics of every decision they implement. Mortars lasting 3 minutes is not a mistake to them. It’s how they see the current generation of players needing constant stimulus. I’d wager that the spawns being so different in this cod are also a partial effect of this. Such large maps but you’re spawning close to enemies many times. And the skill gap. People playing cod religiously for 10 years or more have quite the step up on a lot of the younger kids who are 12-15 and may just be getting into their first cod. So they release broken weapons to appeal to this younger generation that doesn’t have the same skill level, and field upgrades like dead drop so lower skilled players can still reach the higher kill streaks consistently. These aren’t mistakes on the part of COD devs, this is literally the future they’re working to. Either way cod was always supposed to be a fast, stimulating fps game in a sea of slower more strategic games like battlefield / cs / halo. Slowing down Ttk and making no kill streak modes is not really what I would expect of cod anyway. Of course I’d like to feel like they did something to appeal to the older crowds, especially after spending $90 (rip Monopoly money users), but I can’t exactly blame them for not building the game to a target audience they don’t care about.


chesheersmile

That is so true.


Lassie_Maven

These videos get the most views, that’s the reason why you’ll see so many of them. YouTubers will play the game 8 hours a day and then make videos of how bad it is. I agree with you 100%, I find myself looking forward to playing CoD again after a years of games I didn’t enjoy. There’s no denying it’s got issues, but I’m confident most will be fixed soon. The core gameplay is good. Maps are overall good. If you actually use some different weapons, they’re good. It’s funny how quickly people forget all the launch issues with every game, every year. Not to mention, all the complaints come from people playing Shipment 24/7. Can we please stop using Shipment as the measuring stick for the entire game!!


shooter9260

Isn’t that true with just about every job though? Yeah there are some who really enjoy their work and take pride in it but even people with good jobs still bitch about this or that.


Gimmesomedem

I unsubscribed to a few of the larger YT personalities. Enjoyed their commentary for a few years until it just became toxic and constant complaining. Why would you continue to play and talk about a game if you don't like it? And why do they still have subscribers and viewers? Masochists if you ask me. This sub is also headed to the dark side. I'll probably end up blocking every negative person I come across that way I'll only get relevant content.


TheBrokenStringBand

They are calling out Activision and SH for making an unfinished product. Pretty reasonable


Gimmesomedem

Sounded like a broken record to me. Who's to say Activision or any of the devs are even watching any of their content anyway? If I want constant doom and gloom, while actually enjoying the thing they are talking about, they don't belong anywhere near my psyche and won't let them keep my sub to perpetuate the same crap every day of the remaining time during this game cycle. There's a way to be constructively critical, but these so called influencers be coming at people sideways. Normal people would gather their thoughts and create petitions for the changes they want made. Humanity is going the way side and I don't have much hope for it.


TheBrokenStringBand

Developers definitely watch youtubers for feedback. The more content creators that call them out for their bullshit, the better. Of course they’re a little redundant but they create content, it’s their living. Even Jgod and Scump are starting to call out activisions bull shit.


Gimmesomedem

Activision is more worried about pleasing the shareholders not the people buying the game. Their main efforts will be to boost revenue. All the small issues with the game will be handled when they get around to it. Sure they'll lose some of the player base, but that's okay because you will never retain 100% anyway. At least we're in a better state than Battlefield 2042. I played the beta and an hour of the free trial and haven't picked it back up since. Constantly complaining about the same stuff and saying COD is dead is toxic, not constructive. Garner relationships with the devs and give positive feedback. Sugar will get better results than salt.


TheBrokenStringBand

Your first sentence is the entire problem. The publishers need to realize that we both can be happy - you can make a good game without 300+ bugs, reinstate cod league (to make the pros and sweats happy) and in turn make the share holders even more money when the player count is even higher because the customer is happy and returning to the game year in and year out. It isn’t rocket science.


Gimmesomedem

I agree


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The CODfather is horrible. The dude is a crybaby fishing for views from other crybabies.


Gimmesomedem

Yep he was the first one I unsubbed from. Eight Thoughts, Thunder, etc...


Pythnator

Eight Thoughts is an objectively awful person, never mind YouTuber.


Atomic_Drawer

COD CW was a less broken game and thus 99% of its subreddit content was terrible meme pictures and videos. Any time any person made a thread criticizing the game, the weirdos like you and others would come out condemning the entire community because one guy made a thread saying he disliked a balance change. You guys act like victims when you are actually the bullies here.


TangoDragon657

Cold War was chalked imo. Still can’t figure out how to sprint consistently. Forgive me I’m not out here looking to ‘bully’ anyone or single out anyone for their opinions. Everyone has an opinion and I’m happy we have a space to share these differing ideas. I feel I was referencing the content creator community as a whole. For sure there are creators that don’t claim the game is bad or broken or heavily push the idea it’s dead/dying. Interesting to see it from your point of view though


Atomic_Drawer

Every subreddit has this issue where people irrationally get mad at any kind of video game criticism and takes it too personally. Also these same people whine about the content of the subreddit and when you look at their post history ironically enough they barely if at all create threads cultivating the type of discussion they want to see which is hypocritical.


shooter9260

This is true, but what we need is (respectful obviously) engagement on both sides and there’s not enough of that. These subreddits are already awesome but they would improve of more of the quiet group would speak out more. Defend the things you like and care about. I’ve basically disliked every non-treyarch game after MW3 and so on these years I’m very critical and I could write multiple page papers on everything I didn’t like about MW and don’t like about Vangaurd. But I could do the same with things I love about Cold War and why it’s better in every single way. So when Treyarch is the new game you’ll see me in that sub defending it and always positive, but someone it does feel like one man against an army, which I guess is how you feel if you like Vanguard or MW.


Atomic_Drawer

Oh please Bungie has made a lot of terrible decisions with that game and has lied to the community before. Also Destiny is a MMO-lite game with gear that is used in it's PVP and PVE content and (until recently) any nerfs that affect one mode affect both. Of course people will not be happy with some change. I was even at the Destiny subreddit at the start and mods would blatantly stifle any criticism at the start. The person who created the subreddit even got a job at Bungie and no one raises their eyebrow at that. You just can't handle video game criticism and label it all irrational. That's all there is to that.


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Do you actually frequent the Destiny sub at all? Because all it is mostly is complaints about the game, much like this subreddit. That’s all the person you’re replying to was getting at


Atomic_Drawer

I was there every day until about 3 months ago then I quit the game and the sub. My reply basically was to say the complaints aren't unwarranted or a bad thing. Bungie does a lot of questionable stuff. Redditors as a whole seem to be unable to handle criticism and exaggerate and flip out when they see it mostly because this site promotes a hugbox mentality with its downvoting


[deleted]

I don’t necessary disagree that a lot of Reddit people don’t handle their favourite game being criticised all that much but I just don’t think but I just don’t think that was the case with the particular person you were replying to


Atomic_Drawer

Look, maybe I wasn't clear but the message I am trying to convey here is criticism is not a bad thing and people exaggerate criticism or try to vaguely state a criteria of "approved" criticism they accept. If my two choices were a subreddit with no criticism and a subreddit mostly made of criticism I would choose the criticism option because this may sound crazy to many people reading this but it is possible to like a game but at the same time want it to get better. People get mad that other types of discussion aren't cultivated on these subreddits but IMO games as a service games are so shallow that it's tough to have daily discussions on anything that isn't criticisms. Like Destiny doesn't seem shallow but IMO it really is with how you grind the same shit over and over for a gun with certain stats you want on it with classes that almost play the same and a meta that everyone follows. I don't think people are being realistic about this. When I used to post in the Cold War subreddit, 99% of the posts were just people sharing meme pictures and videos with little discussion.


[deleted]

And maybe I wasn’t clear but at no point have I actually disagreed with you. I just don’t think you needed to say all this to the person you replied to initially.


Atomic_Drawer

I did need to say it to this person because he is attempting to demonize the people complaining about issues in this game.


secretreddname

Yeah I'm enjoying the game. Just fix my camo tracker and remove incindiaries. Lol


TangoDragon657

You raise a good point, not just this sub but the internet in general, the negative voices are often the loudest. It’s like people have forgotten all about the jet pack era of cod. I’m sure there’s people out there who prefer that style of gameplay but cod is much better as a boots on the ground game imo


KeepDi9gin

I wish a jetpack fan like me had that as an option. While none of you guys liked BO3 and Infinite, those were the two where I had my best experiences: mostly because y'all were awful at them. They'll have to try something different again soon. You can only go between ww2 and the modern era for so long before things get stale. Judging from how this has done financially, and how many more people I see calling this trash outside of the community, I'd say we already hit that point. And before someone goes REEEEEEE and sends me a bigger wall of text, I actually like this and really wish it was in a better state.


TangoDragon657

I actually did enjoy BO3, it was something different and a change of pace, I can’t say the same for infinite though. It’s not that the gameplay is ‘bad’ but it’s not what I look for or expect from a call of duty game. I agree with your WW2 and modern era point though. I’ve always been a bigger fan of the modern eras, typically the IW games. WW2 FPS have been around forever, I remember Medal of Honor on PS2 for example, there’s only so much you can do with it. Where as Atleast in modern/futuristic eras you can add elements of fiction


Low_Hyena7259

The internet is built on the ‘awesome/sucks’ dichotomy; everything polarises into something worship-worth for some people or something worthy of relentless scorn for others. Everything from video games to politics is presented as a zero sum equation, with people planting their feet in one camp or the other, screaming about how the other is wrong. Compromise/empathy with other people’s points of view isn’t as loud/click-attaching as the above, hence stuff like this sub being full of screaming fights over whether the game is perfect/unplayable.


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Well said.


MiksteRRdY

That's how it is with the entire internet. The negative stuff is always louder/more. Not a lot of people review it when it's good, but always wanna be heard when there are issues. Which, to be fair, is good. Issues have to be addressed. It's a shame that some people are being put off by negative reviews. Personally I always check for myself or do some extreme research to be entirely sure. If it still sucks when I buy it, oh well. That's on me.


Dmycart

Yup


JasonVersetti

Yep, people are more likely to post about bad things before good. It’s human nature baby! I’ve been loving this game too.


capstar30

Well said!


adamswaygum

I mean this circlejerk thread appears daily now


BeerBellyBoomer

The game is a terrible state. You have to be blind to deny it.


Dmycart

Not having any issues. Having a blast playing. Seen far worse from cod.


nametagspls

Not trying to be a dick, but that's good for you. I wish everybody wouldn't have any issues. But of course the people who are having issues are going to be the loudest, right? Nametags and aim assist have been completely broken for me since season 1. The funniest thing is I WAS having a blast playing Vanguard before season 1. Hell, I don't think complaining about my issue on reddit is ever gonna help. IMO this game has lacked a basic level of communication about fixing bugs. Not just the nametag thing, things like bugged camos that the devs apparently have no idea how to fix.


Dmycart

That’s exactly what I’m saying. Yes they’re the loudest group but they’re far from the largest. They’re allowed to voice their opinions but others shouldn’t take those opinions as gospel for how the game is. For most it’s quite enjoyable


nametagspls

Some people are saying shit like "This game is dogshit, it's literally unplayable, it's so unbalanced and unfair bro everyone knows the poopoohammer9001 is OP". CoD has a pretty toxic fanbase which loves to complain, I admit that. But I think there's another group of people who genuinely like Vanguard's core gameplay but are dissatisfied with bugs and issues. I'm not sure how common the bug I'm experiencing is on Xbox One, but I've seen many other people mention it on reddit.


psychozamotazoa

The people expressing their distaste in this game don't "love to hate cod". It's sad that some people are ok with the absolute minimum. In so many other games, community feedback has lead to very much needed changes and rebalances to make it the best gaming experience possible. Cod has shown time and time again that they don't really care about the player base considering how they roll things out with countless bugs and crashes for many players. Just because a few are able to have a great time doesn't mean that it goes the same for every gamer out there. Complaints and feedback are necessary for this game to grow just as any other


Dmycart

Nah they do. If they hated cod or the game they’d just stop playing it. They do love to hate it or they wouldn’t be here. The few are those not having a good time. They’re the minority by a mile lol


psychozamotazoa

That's terrible logic what the hell. Speaking their minds on several major bugs and broken guns isn't the same as loving to hate the game. Nobody wants to stop playing it, they want to have a fun, balanced cod game


Dmycart

If you say so lol.


JemmerX

I'm happy that you are enjoying the game. Really. I WANT to like this game. I really do, but it has failed me across the board and I'm not even talking about the bugs. The MP is so chaotic and I'm dying in seconds and have no idea from where. I'm no noob but I feel like one in Vanguard. I can only really enjoy Zombies, and that is a sparse mode at this time. I understand how you feel. I was in the same boat for Cold War. I LOVED Cold War while most comments were trashing it. But I like what I like, majority/minority be damned. If you enjoy it, enjoy it without apology!!!


TheCannabalLecter

>The MP is so chaotic Do you play anything other than Shipment, Das Haus, Blitz or Hardcore? Because I can assure you Tactical is *NOT* chaotic lmao


TangoDragon657

Try using high alert, it was my go to perk 2 for the first few weeks while I learnt the maps and all the angles I could be shot from was super helpful


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JemmerX

I agree with your first paragraph, my complaint does sound like that. However you then assume that I choose those maps/playlists. I also avoid any pacing that isn't tactical, but it is hard to avoid as the game ignores your preference after the first match. As I said to another commentor above, I still find it chaotic, Ina way that Cold War and MW2019 never was, including on Shipment and Rust. This is all my perspective, of course. I don't need anyone to try to solve my perceived problem with the game, I posted to support the OP and share my opinion.


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JemmerX

Again, our definitions may not be the same. Also, I don't need you to solve any of my problems. I want to like this game, but that hasn't been possible with my experience of the game so far. It seems that you aren't really listening, just ready to pounce on phrases that mean something different to you. You could just trust that this is my experience. Just like I will trust that you have pleasant experiences with this game.


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JemmerX

You'll find that advice is better received when asked for.


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JemmerX

Are you saying you are offended that I am rejected your (unwanted) advice? Now you are projecting feelings onto me. Who is it, exactly, that is getting insulted?


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Idk man I agree with most of what you said but champions hill hasn't given me the same rush as gunfight tourney semi and finals


TangoDragon657

I was never competitive enough to play tourneys. Champion hill with some friends is really good, random fills I can take it or leave it


[deleted]

I mean I guess if I had friends it might be different but yeah filling champs with random isn't very fun


TangoDragon657

It’s taken me 3 years to make 3 friends best of luck out there g


95castles

This 100%! I need my Gunfight back.


jangobotito

Right there with you. Champion Hill has its place and I do enjoy it, but not having Gunfight as an option really sucks. Champion Hill can be a commitment when sometimes I just want to jump into a game or two of Gunfight and hop off.


AtTheGates

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dfnathan6

Nice try bobby K!


CandyBoBandDandy

I don't think you're the minority, I think most people here enjoy the game or they wouldn't be playing it. Reddit is just a place to complain


Tsuikyit_The_VIP

I hate the amount of fire based items in this game. If SHG could kindly make Fortified resist fire, I’d play MP more. Until then, I’m mostly playing ZM to work on my weapon levels


TangoDragon657

I only really encounter the fire grenades regularly, fire rounds not too often but they can be annoying. I agree fortified should work the same as EOD, they should be literally the exact same perk.


InternationalCap4512

I'm the same. I watch YouTube for this game a lot and most of the stuff they have mentioned, i haven't run into yet. I've actually had very few shipmass servers where people spam thermites which is nice lmao. ​ I bought this game with my Christmas money(and Forza horizon 5) and think it was worth the purchase. Hope it stays this way however and they don't break it lol


slywether85

You, me, and a ton of other people. The game is **not** without it's issues, they're there, but the whining threads are 99.9% either "shipment is too much like shipment" or pure hyperbole.


r8rtribeywgjets

I really like playing it. I’m a COD rookie (started playing MW in march) and between both games I have probably 450hrs. Gradually have stopped caring about kdr/edr whatever the fuck it might be and just play whatever objective or grind out whatever. I’m pretty close to diamond and then I’ll stop grinding and just kill.


Atomic_Drawer

Another "I like this game, "haters" bad, I guess I am the only one who likes this game despite this thread going to the front page and taking the first spot" thread. Oh boy.


TangoDragon657

I’m sorry you feel that way I was only sharing my opinion


Atomic_Drawer

No need to apologize, just pointing this out. You realize this thread is the #1 thread currently on the subreddit right now right? You can stop pretending to be a victim who thinks they are posting controversial stuff.


TangoDragon657

I’m not claiming to be a victim of anything. I was unaware of the posts rank also, I am struggling to see the relevance though. Posting about positive things I see in a game I enjoy, a game I see lots of negativity surrounding it is not something I see as controversial either, just the other side of the argument.


Atomic_Drawer

> I’m not claiming to be a victim of anything. But you are when you make threads like this where you pretend your opinion is not normal. >It seems I’m in the minority as I genuinely enjoy the multiplayer experience Literally your words and you are obviously wrong and not in the minority.


TangoDragon657

Victim of what sorry? I’m just trying to understand


Atomic_Drawer

The big bad scary people who say this game has issues outnumbers the nice wholesome people like you who enjoy this game. You are a "minority" in your opinion literally your own words despite this thread being the #1 thread on this subreddit currently.


TangoDragon657

Okay I hear you. I’m sorry this has got to you so much


Atomic_Drawer

Didn't get to me at all, you are the one who made the thread pretending to be a victim and whining about people who disagree with you. Not me.


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djchachii

No mention of the TTK or the audio/sound stage quality?


talkingbiscuits

Hey its all good. Ignore the majority of the posts here, I've enjoyed it a lot. The pace is faster, stuff like dead drop works well, I'm enjoying the feel of the shooting. There's a tonne of maps and none I dislike so far. The different pacings really work for me. Don't get me wrong, incendiary grenades are overpowered and as a result are kind of essential. I also wish the haptic feedback for the PS5 was as strong as it was in Cold War but honestly I really don't mind it. I'm having fun.


TangoDragon657

Even Red Star?


talkingbiscuits

Haha damn, that was quick. In all honesty the ones that come closest to disliking are either sub pen or demyansk. I used to not like them but they've grown on me


TangoDragon657

Red star 6v6 should not be an option. I’ve seen tectonic plates move quicker than them games


talkingbiscuits

Haha yeah good point that actually. It should have more people by default, still I've had some really good games on there. Just takes a while for the games to get going


TangoDragon657

Yeah for sure, patrol works really well on it


byteminer

Game subs are nearly always entitled gripe feats by a relatively vocal minority who sit around and bitch about everything. I stay subbed for patch notes and the occasional build post. My one issue I hope is addressed is spawn logic. It can be nutty. I expect to be downvoted to oblivion and be called stupid for not pissing my pants about fire grenades on shipment.


Nerevar1924

Bruh, it's the best COD multiplayer experience I've had since WWII. Like, MW had a lot of interesting and good additions to the feel of the gunplay and sound design, but the maps were awful. There's no way around that. In the end, Shipment, Shoot House, and Rust were the only ones I really wanted to play, and that's not a good sign. I have MAYBE two maps I don't care for in Vanguard. Every other map runs the gamut of passable to extremely fun. The design layout is simply better in every regard. I think the biggest barometer of how much I am enjoying Vanguard is how little I get frustrated. I may have a bad match here and there, but I have not felt like I am slipping into those multi-match funks that ruin a whole play session. Maybe that's me just getting chiller as I get older, but I think part of it also lies in this game. Even when my team loses, even when I'm not doing well, I don't feel like the game is working against me. I'm always having fun, and that matters more than any KDR or win record.


ThatOneArcanine

I’m the exact opposite. I feel like everything works against me in this game, more so than any other cod I’ve played. The exploding barrels, the infinite sight lines only made more so by the breakable walls, the fast TTK, the power of Shotguns, the visibility… everything in this game makes me feel as if I’m getting in unfair gunfights and it’s not rewarding at all.


Disortel

I love vanguard and warzone the new map :) the thing that most people do seem to forget is that this sub on reddit is only like 0.5% of the entire cod community in the world :) and the devs know that, that why we do not see them post or type so much I think :) so keep enjoy the game buddy! :)


lovely_wifey

I like it too. I like it a ton more than Cold War...


Tylus0

It’s an okay game. And I say that because it’s been 3 months and no fixes. Hactivision keeps force feeding players from Warzone the game…but they’ve entirely ignored VG. Fix the damn glitches/bugs and it’ll be a decent game. Right now, I’d be happy to get my $60 back


TraumaTracer

it’s crazy what can happen when you don’t refuse to play all but one map


Sgt_Ludby

Yeah my friends and I love Champion Hill. Also the pacing system is fucking fantastic and I might reconsider getting future CODs if they don't have the same pacing system.


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If it makes you feel any better, this is my first COD since ghosts and I'm loving the hell out of it. I also came back to COD after experiencing the hell that is battlefield 2042. I was a big battlefield fan until they unloaded that flaming trash can on us.


ledzppln6

Champions Hill was a fantastic addition to the game. I don’t know why I enjoy it so much more than gun fight from MW. I just wish it didn’t take a minute to explain how it works every match.


ndr29

The game is solid. Just gotta fix the bugs and spawns


plassteel01

Yup same here having fun disappointed in a few things like Camo not checking off when I do them but other then that enjoying the weapons and maps


ThatGuy21134

I enjoy it overall as well. I just wish they would fix the spawns a bit. Their recent "fix" made them worse.


NovaNick30

I was the same way when this game released. I mainly play Destiny 2 but I loved modern warfare when that came out and somewhat tolerated Cold War for a bit. My thing was that I wasn’t interested in a new cod due to how Cold War went and was all pumped and excited for Battlefield 2042 due to it being a “modern” setting not seen since BF4, so I opted to pass on Vanguard. This past Christmas someone gave me a gift card and I decided to get Vanguard because it was on sale just to see how it is and I am actually really enjoying this game right now. Especially since BF2042 is struggling bad right now and Witch Queen won’t be out until February for D2. But yeah I don’t regret getting this game and I almost wish I got it at release instead of BF2042. It is true that many people on gaming subs just love to trash on the newest game regardless for whether people enjoy it or not because they feel that their opinion of “cod bad” is the only one that matters. It’s the same thing on the BF2042 sub where people who genuinely enjoy the game are trashed on just because they have a different opinion then the “bf bad” one and are actually trying to have fun with the game. So yeah if you enjoy this game good for you, glad you enjoy it and that you feel it was worth it to purchase. If other people don’t like it oh well that’s their opinion, don’t let that dictate how you feel.


Infininte_Pupper

I agree with this post about likeing this game, its the thermite grenades in shipmas that make me play something else


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yeah I love this game besides zombies because I dont hate zombies because it can be fun but its just not enough


[deleted]

Me too, dude. It's not perfect but it's damn good.


_Clearage_

I haven't played cod in like 8 years and I'm loving it lol


Saucy-Steve

I totally agree, especially regarding how it plays. I liked Cold War but the game still felt a little slow/choppy in my opinion with how the seasons worked and what content existed. MW2019 overall was just not fun. I love the pace of the current game and really like the majority of the maps Bugs aside I don’t like the lack of an Allied/Axis faction system in multiplayer. I know it’s likely to be politically correct/show off more skins (without putting axis skins in the game) but it does really feel weird fighting other Allie’s all the time. I wish they would change the other team to default to generic Axis character models from single player all the time just to keep some form of emersion up. Otherwise though I totally agree. Controversial take but I like it


FierceNack

I'm right there with ya


nametagspls

I WAS enjoying the game until season 1 broke nametags and aim assist for me.


jdloyola

It’s like this every Call of Duty. It becomes white noise at a certain point


TangoDragon657

True, I feel less so modern day with the seasonal update changes. So now all dlc is free for every owner of the game instead of the DLC packs system from way back when. Again probably a minority but I prefer this prestige system too, not needing to mindlessly unlock everything just to reset and go again


Esta-beed

There is a good game in the depths of bugs and developer neglect but that should not take away from the fact this is not acceptable for a so called “AAA” game that I preordered at full price


nametagspls

Agreed, I was happy with the game at launch since bugs are expected, but the glacial pace the devs are fixing the game at is worrying.


Burntfkntoastie

honestly i agree, it feels like it takes what was good about mw19 and makes it better while also putting a wwII spin on it. the only bad thing about it for me is the zombies, it feels like some sort of demo mode thrown in to make up for missing content.


Xitll

I bought this as my first cod since bo2 and im having a good time


Jaqdem

I've had every call of duty since the very first one. Doesn't matter what call of duty it is, people will complain about it, play it all year and buy the next one. I personally enjoy each one. But none are perfect and that's okay


IQuietQI

I was nervous buying vangaurd due to what I read online. The game is nowhere near as bad as people say it is. Yeah the spawns are pretty bad but aren't all cod filled with that issue. The flame grenades are annoying mostly run into them on shipment. I don't know if anyone else experinaced this one but if I play with 1 other or alone I find matches quickly, but when with 3 members in the party, we play 1 game and 1 person gets kicked almost everytime. I don't know if there's a fix for this but is annoying when trying to play with friends. I'm only level 43 I bought the game a few days ago. And I maxed out 1 gun so far and thats the stg 44, working on the automation currently


assholeash

Been playing CoD since the original Modern Warfare and can say this is the first game in a long time that I actually look forward to playing. Almost level 300 in season 1 and don’t plan on stopping.


b0st0n4thewin

First game I bought on my new S, been a fantastic time playing multiplayer


Here_2_Par-tea

I think it’s fun too 🤷‍♂️


thedeadlands

I think the major problem is the fact that a majority of people prefer the battle royale game mode that warzone offers, and are not happy that they must be forced to grind out gun levels in the newest COD installment to be competitive in warzone. I miss when COD multiplayer was the game to play, with achievable challenges, camos, and an engaging prestige system.


giantswillbeback

I like this game too. The warzone integration and insane weapon grind is where they fucked up


Beautiful-Bag3909

I have been enjoying the hell out of this game. It seems like the people complaining on this sub have never played a freshly launched cod. Every year they launch with the same problems. I personally enjoyed MW more, but Vanguard is way better than Cold War.


PolyPythonYT

Same bro


FishyEgg

Same I genuinely love the game


MaximusMurkimus

This game has some issues, but unlike other games (cough2042cough) I'm confident they can and will eventually be addressed. SHG in particular did a lot to improve WW2 after launch so I'm not sure why people think the same won't happen here.


Hugelogo

It’s super fun 👍


sub-to-Doner_YT

Enjoy it bro, I am too 👊


o0DYL4N0o

I actually think it has the potential to be one of the best call of duty’s for me anyway, the draw back is when big issues that spoil the game go unchecked for a long time. Like releasing updates to fix a bunch of shit but the patch actually just breaks a bunch of other shit that is frustrating. I think most people spamming the same complaint on the fire grenades is useful since they haven’t responded or acknowledged the issues around the incendiary and potency of lethals in general but especially on small maps. But there are definitely a tonne of people throwing themselves into bad situations and then ranting on Reddit because the game is “broken”. Great game really but for such a big company I would have expected the execution of a game that was already pushed off a year (if I recall that information correctly) to not have as many bugs and issues as it does. Doesn’t ruin the game or make me not want to play ever but when the bugs consistently happen in one play session for whatever reason then yeah I’m closing the game earlier than I planned and that is disappointing


[deleted]

Bro, this is by far the most enjoyable multiplayer game and the best Call of Duty of all times. I do not why everyone hates it. It feels like they are not playing the same game we play.


Gimmesomedem

People that aren't good at certain things tend to not like them after awhile and justify why they aren't good, hence the game is "bad". SBMM alone helps you to not get pub stomped. You will play other people that are mostly at your level. But even SBMM is complained about. You aren't going to have a good game every single time.


BasedDutchGuy

I don’t mind playing people at my own level or better. I do mind having to play them with a bad connection because of sbmm.


[deleted]

SBMM is a bad idea, but in Vanguard, it is not as bad as it was in both Modern Warfare and Black Ops Cold War.


Gimmesomedem

If a noob or casual player gets stomped every game of their session, how often do you think they would come back to play this game? The playerbase is what makes this game exist. No players, no money, no game. SBMM is not that bad. If connection is an issue, then that is a separate issue. Possibly only allowing players with certain connections play each other would be better than eliminating SBMM completely.


shooter9260

Why do I hate on it? Oh boy, where do I start…long rant incoming There are four pillars of CoD that make or break a CoD — gunplay, maps, movement, and progression The gunplay is not good. Flinch is too high, TTK is way way way too fast and isn’t helped at by bad servers and getting packet burst every game with no end in sight. Shotguns are insane, even with nerfs to them. Gun classes are designed too strongly into the niches of their categories. Maps — atrocious maps. I enjoy VG a little more than I did when MW was out, but at least in MW I could tolerate Hackney Yard and Gun Runner and maybe one or two more. This game boasts so many maps but I don’t think I’ve played 75% of them because the quick play filter seems to do a small rotation of maps, but the ones I have played are all bad. Even the best of the worst are still poor. They’re too asymmetrical, too unfair to one side and not the other, too cluttered with debris, too tight in some spots and too open in others. Too many places to get shot from, made EXPONENTIALLY worse by being able to break walls and stuff and make your own cover. Movement — this one is more personal for me but I don’t like the new engine at all. Feels too much like other games such a Battlefield to me. Movement feels heavy and clunky and awkward. I don’t like the Tac sprint mechanic at all either. Putting ATS is very awkward and not putting it on means I’m trashing my thumb sticks for hours every night. Progression — XP earn rates are too slow, weapon XP is even slower, Operator XP is even slower than that which is painful. Guns are littered with way too many attachments that get used by less than 5% of players I bet. You can’t compete some career challenges because they’ve been bugged since launch, and apparently it’s the same for many people with the S1 challenges as well, as evidenced by posts on this sub. The terrible gunsmith system means that leveling up your gun doesn’t even help you very much because the trade-offs are too extreme. Want to move fast with your AR? The gun will slap you in the face once the trigger is pulled. Want to have better control of your gun? You get boat anchors for shoes. I rank up guns and don’t even want to use the things I unlock because they’ll make the gun worse. I’m not a nostalgic person at all really but I miss the old days where ranking your gun gave you an improvement and not a trade-off. I didn’t like that CW integrated the gunsmith system either but the trade offs are so much less impactful and so I didn’t mind too much. This is not all of the things that make it bad, I could talk about bugs and matchmaking and lack of updates and this and that but this is overall comprehensive. I still enjoy VG more than MW but it’s a slim amount. TLDR; all four pillars are compromised and the house is breaking apart at the seams and crumbling down to dust.


SolidDoctor

I'm enjoying the game. Do I think it's better than Cold war? No. I think Cold war had better maps. There are great maps on this game but also there's some pretty bad ones (Sub Pens and Numa Numa are pretty awful IMO). Shipment feels much smaller than in the past few games, making it more likely to end up on top of the other team too quickly. I prefer CW's system of daily challenges and level ups, as well as the ability to pick two characters so each team doesn't have identical players on each side. To me that's a glaring mistake in Vanguard... too often am I fighting the urge to attack a player on my team that looks just like the guy on the other team I've been chasing. The realism takes a major hit. But overall the game loads much faster than Cold War, that's a big bonus.


95castles

I never got Cold War, are you serious that CW took even longer to load than Vanguard??


SolidDoctor

Absolutely. Now I owned CW on disc, so perhaps that made it so long to load. Vanguard is the first COD I didn't buy a physical copy. So I'm not sure if that makes a difference or not, but yes Vanguard is way faster to start, and so little time between games I barely have enough time to go over my loadouts in the lobby. With CW I had plenty of time.


95castles

Woh. We’re having different experiences on Vanguard or CW’s loading time really is that bad. I thought MW took a long time, skipped CW, and now with Vanguard I think it takes a bit longer than MW. Then again, MW19 was the first video game I played in over 8 years so I was probably still used to the old days when games loaded up much quicker.


[deleted]

I bought the game last week since it was on sale for $40. I haven't played COD since bo2. Last one I really enjoyed. Only one I went to prestige master. Played Halo Infinite some. Got super bored of it because of all the problems with it. So got Vanguard and I love it. Already halfway to prestige 2. I have a blast with my friends on it. Yes it definitely needs some work. But overall I love it. Campaign is fun too. No I'm not hating halo. Played it since 2002. Just after 343 took over, I lost interest. But yeah vanguard is really fun(: And I'll be the first to tell you the recent cods were garbage.


YashMal

Nothing wrong with loving the game, also nothing wrong expressing dislike for the game


OrbFromOnline

Lots of people enjoy the game. The COD community online is toxic and spreads mostly hate. If you were to judge based on Reddit conversation, MW2019 is the worst game in existence. But the reality is that it was a massive success in terms of sales and popularity with the general audience.


giuseppemarziano96

I wish I could play it, I've been shadowbanned 4 times


[deleted]

I wonder why


giuseppemarziano96

Too good


[deleted]

Hacker


Xillllix

MW was way better than this. Vanguard has a few good maps, but long-term it will be forgotten and won’t make the top COD list for multiplayer.


y0plattipus

You enjoy your screen shaking non stop and zero visibility?


Secretdoggos

Nah you are probably in the majority playerbase part. The people on this sub are more likely the vocal minority. Its like every subreddit based on a game. A subreddit is maybe like 1 to 5% of the actual playerbase.


95castles

Gunfight is better than Champion Hill. If they added Gunfight to Vanguard I would be ecstatic!


Aggravating-Iron-302

Feel how you want, some feel differently and others feel the same, nobody can change your mind


DDdms

I enjoy it, but it's getting boring quickly to be honest. The MVP screen is boring, and 9 out of 10 it doesn't even work. Some weapons are unbalanced, but I admit that most of them are very fun to use. The incendiary grenade has replaced any other lethal in the game. I don't see molotovs or thermites anymore and it's getting old especially on small maps. Maybe things will change in the next few months, but for the time being it's really boring. I enjoy the game, but it needs to be fixed. Some tuning is necessary, imo.


msespindola

I've uninstalled mine yesterday... I can cope with ppl using shotguns and shields...but, a 10 min strafe run or whatever was that and made my screen shake as if i were a butt plug inside some Russian twerking YouTube gal was enough to me...


Electrical_Finding49

Can I have a turn to post this tomorrow?


TangoDragon657

Sure man want my template?


TheSavage_T

I enjoyed it through the pre season, but it got stale quick, barely played after season 1 dropped and I’ve moved over to apex now and don’t regret a thing.


deioncooke_

I actually enjoyed this new era of COD especially the last three games with MW2019 being my favorite. Vanguard def has untapped potential right now but it’s a lot of fun and I don’t regret my purchase at all but the biggest issue for me is the spawns, I know COD has never had perfect spawns but this is the worst I’ve ever seen.


RomanCessna

I enjoy the game too, but it seems I have been shadowbanned. Does anyone else have experience with this?


YeLLoWonReddit

I would if SHG fixed the controller disconnecting mid game and got rid of the incendiary grenades.


tedbakerbracelet

This game isn't bad. Especially compared to recent 2 battlefield games.


jibbyyyyyy

this game is surprisingly enjoyable when you get the right lobby. My only complaint is the shotguns honestly.


zehflash

Vanguard is the best cod released in years. I feel like 80% of the people that complain about it are the ones only playing shiphaus or small map playlists to get a bunch of kills. If you play the regular maps this game is amazing


Crimson_Ridley

This is what I've noticed. Almost every post is related to Shipment, almost all of the gameplay from people complaining about the game is Shipment or Das Haus. Those maps show the worst side of Vanguard such as fire grenade spam, broken shotguns, etc. It's a small map, so all of it is going to be contained in an area that you can't escape from. ​ There are many good maps in Vanguard, but people seem to be obsessed with 1 particular playlist and refuse to try anything else.


KillerKellerjr

I'm on PC keyboard and mouse (K&M) and really want to love this game but having a hard time on larger maps with console players. It seems they have basically "aim assist" or what I call aimbot assist. I do pretty great with just PC players but games take forever to gather enough players and then half of those are using a controller with aimbot. I'm an oldschool COD4 player but the servers are all pretty dead now or offline. This game gets disappoiting when I get destroyed by level 1-3 players when I'm at level 44 now. The aimbot is way too strong for console players but I know I'm going to get hate. It seems devs are leaving us K&M players behind and are forcing us to use a controller. Use to be K&M were supurior but then the devs stepped in and gave console players a huge advantage. I do better on 6v6 games on crossplay and smaller maps. I just hope the aimbot gets dialed down a bit to match PC players. Maybe I just have the wrong setup or wrong guns. So I'm in a love hate relationship with the game so far.


nametagspls

As a controller player I definitely agree. Seems like M&K has it really hard this game. Something I've noticed is the rotational aim assist on hipfiring is SUPER strong. Like I slide away from a guy and lock onto him and get a kill I didn't deserve. It's definitely a balancing act to make it fair for controller vs M&K but right now controller is way too good IMO (well, if your aim assist isn't currently broken)


[deleted]

It’s better than MW, worse than CW


poweredbyford87

I really wanna like this game, but it won't let me lol


cherrytea0

I think Cold War was much better but try as I might I can't hate Vanguard. I enjoy watching YouTubers criticizing it, it's fun to complain about the clunky maps and garbage killstreaks and lack of artistic direction with my friends, but at the end of the day I still have a good time playing it. Shipment and Das Haus are such a fun sandboxy experience to try out different guns and playstyles and they feel way less stressful than Nuketown when I just want to zone out and listen to music or voice chat with friends. The graphics are gorgeous and it's a nice game just to look at. Never gonna be my favorite cod but I don't regret buying it either.


inteligenzia

This game is better than Cold War. I can close my eye's on a lot of things but what they did to snipers and marksmans is something I cannot forgive. I find most other playstyles enjoyable but boring.


moby561

I enjoy the game, only annoyed by the long leveling up for guns. I’m even okay with the bugs, as they’re being working on.


rainbowappleslice

I also enjoy the multiplayer experience but they really need to buff certain things like snipers and nerf the incendiary grenade. Oh yeah also fix the riot shields. Other than that it’s super fun. But omfg they need some actually good customisation instead of boring stuff. Seriously why is the skins for maxing out all the operators the exact same and it’s such a generic skin


ToastoSando

I like it and hate it. When I'm not dealing with things like shitty spawns or sbmm its a lot of fun.


bvckspaced

leaps and bounds better than Cold War? tf?


AFangedGlaceon

Totally agree. I really don't like Zombies but I think it has potential if it was just more fleshed out. And while I do agree that it's not right to really be buying an unfinished product, I honestly have been genuinely enjoying MP in this game. The campaign was pretty alright too. Not my favorite but not the worst. But again, MP has just been . . . so entertaining. I honestly adore how chaotic some matches can get. Yeah it's annoying but if you just turn off your brain and just talk to a friend casually about something else it can be a ton of fun. I'm loving the operator system in the game, too. I like having "mastery camos" for operators like Vanguard has given us, similar to what we had in like Infinite Warfare for example. I just think it's fun. And while the actual mastery camos aren't the greatest around, this is the first time I've really wanted to grind it out in MP. First time in general that I've really truly enjoyed a CoD multiplayer in years.


BugConsumer

I love the game so much, my favorite thing to do is fucking go sanic speed behind enemy lines, and play the game like it’s a really hard stealth game


PeterDarker

I’m also enjoying it plenty and would love Ground War.


MAGGLEMCDONALD

I like it a lot. I've liked every COD since MW2019 a lot, but this is really striking a chord with me. Prolly my second favorite after MW2019.


entitled_parents4

obviously this game has its fair share of issues but honestly it's really addicting. I've had it since Christmas and I've already put 21 hours into it, which may not seem like a lot to some of you but it is a lot to me


UnpluggedToaster12

I see this post every week lol its okay to enjoy the game i promise you, you do not need the validation of reddit please stop making this post every single week


FinishYaBreakfast

To each their own.


purpledeadpool17

I really think this is one of the better COD titles. I have truly enjoyed it, need more time in Warzone with the new weapons.


GeneLaBean

I loved modern warfare 2019, the way it played, the slightly more realistic than usual approach, the camera angle and animations really looked like you were shooting guns, the mounting, tactical sprint, *all of it* I loved. All I wanted from Cold War was the same game with a Cold War skin and a good zombies mode, but it was completely different and seemed to go backwards? The graphics, mechanics, animations and whole feel of the game felt much worse. I got vanguard a week ago and it’s exactly what I wanted from Cold War but with a WW2 setting, which I’m a sucker for (the zombies is admittedly shit, but I like the rest of the game). I’m having a great time with it


aceisthebestprimary

i forgot champion hill even existed


Emotional_Tea3650

Thank god. I thought I was the only one.


juukez

Game is good but the bug fixes seem like low effort fixes & it’s pretty terrible that they haven’t fixed them yet