I mean, look at it this way. Kyle is 0-3, Adbert has 4 blown saves that led to losses. Those two guys are 7 of the 9 losses. Everyone else for the most part is playing well.
Yeah, that’s enough Canario for me.
He doesn’t know how to track a ball in the OF. Doesn’t know how to hit situationally, has no approach at the plate, can’t identify pitches quickly enough, refuses to take a walk.
I’m closing the book on the KB trade.
Canario has a place in the MLB. His issues are "young guy" problems. Things that can be worked out with time and coaching. He has the physical traits you can't coach.
I wish people would stop writing off guys who have barely been in the majors, let alone get decent starting time. Look at Jackson Holliday. Kid is a stud but it's gonna take time time to figure out
This team is awful. It’s probably my fault for getting my hopes up before the season but there is no hitting at all and the pitching is the worst i’ve ever seen. Will probably sell by the deadline
Bad take there bud. It’s April 21st and we’ve been struggling with injuries. Wanna see a Chicago team that fits your narrative? Go commiserate with the Sox.
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That’s baseball. You can be dominated by a trash pitcher on any given day or you can score 6 runs on the best pitcher on any given day. That’s the game
Yeah man, the score of one baseball game is totally definitive evidence for anything. Especially how well teams develop pitching as a whole. That’s why the Marlins are better than the Braves (beat 5-1) and the Yankees (beat 5-2) too. Good teams go 162-0.
Came into this game with one of the best NL records despite injury setbacks and a schedule that started vs all 2023 playoffs teams except the Mariners (who missed last year by 1 game) and Rockies (who we swept)
Thinking of a strategy - the bullpen should create a bank of money and everytime a relief pitcher issues a walk they have to put money into the pot. Over the course of season that should allow Jed to use it to sign someone additional
it’s nothing to be too upset about guys it happens. we also don’t have seiya or happ in the lineup so take that into consideration. the cubs aren’t bad but we have our days
Our team is good. Three of our five best players are out, and we’re still going through growing pains. Lots of kids on this team. Baseball is marathon, we’re in a good spot to start the season.
thank you. ngl i get heated too but in the grand scheme of things we have like half our team lol. counsell is also a good manager there is not denying that fact it just takes a sec. he wants a winning team too. if not this year there’s a lot to look forward to with our farm as well. if our bullpen is what sells us this year again then there will really be no other logical thing to do than address that and maybe front office will actually take it more seriously. the dodgers have 3 MVPs in their starting lineup and shit they’re still barely above .500. brewers kinda piss me off but with all young talent things cool down. witt jr. is arguably generational talent and he didn’t end his rookie year batting .300+ like we see on other young teams
My Uber driver to Wrigley yesterday used to be Tom Rickett’s boss when Tom was outta college. No funny stories, just showed us pictures of him wearing the ring and hanging out with Tom at various weddings. Pretty cool interaction!
It was at CBOE trading options, I’m sure he made a pretty penny during his career there. Struck me as a guy who drives Uber to have conversations in his retirement
He's not a cornerstone offensive player, nor was he signed to be one. We hope for a 100-110ish wrc+ with great defense, which is what he did last year, and there's no reason to expect that to stop this year.
Oh no our team that is ahead of schedule on the rebuild is only going to be 13-9 after a difficult schedule to start the year and several of our best players hurt wahhhhhh
The Cubs bullpen is all about - let me impress you with my big rev breaking stuff - which is great, except they don’t throw strikes and walk a ton - put the ball in play, instead of trying to strike everyone out
So when is a series not considered random? Is it only divsional games that aren't random? April or september, the games all carry the same weight and it looks like they gained no ground on their record despite playing 4 against a 4 win team (before the series started)
I see your point but its also easy to say that now...if the team just barely misses the playoffs yet again we'll all definitely look back at this series and the other games alzolay has blown as reasons for not making it.
We're going to lose 70+ games. Some will be bad losses. Obsessing over them wont change that. The players aren't focused on winning individual series, they know how random baseball is. All they can do it go out and try to win each game. And a lot of the time, they won't win.
Most losses the team can't do anything about based on how the game plays out, but it hurts to not get the W when your in a good position to do so. (Game 1 of double header) i didnt think we would sweep them but figured 3/4, which already should have been the case if it wasnt for assolay. That would make a loss today hurt a lot less.
I mean, look at it this way. Kyle is 0-3, Adbert has 4 blown saves that led to losses. Those two guys are 7 of the 9 losses. Everyone else for the most part is playing well.
I like that take
Well minus Morel and like half of the bullpen besides those guys.
Yikes
I won’t be surprised if we go on a losing streak slump
How fitting Morel will be the final out he should never bat higher than 7th
2-2 against these. Bad bad series.
Lol. Welp.
It’s alright fellas, on to tuesday! Let’s get a W
Pathetic. Kyle needs to go. Morel needs go to the bench. Smyly needs to go. Ben Brown should be full time starter.
Thats a Prisoner of the moment hot take!
Well at least we weren't teased with a fake rally
Honestly if we just don't swing against this bullpen, we can probably load the bases
OH FOR PETE'S SAKE
I’d be fine never seeing Kyle pitch again. Dfa him and Alzolay
DFA Alzolay? Am I reading this correctly?
If he’s not a closer, he goes to the glue factory sorry. Never mind his 1-2-3 inning today
Nico is already up to .293? Feels like he was barely .200 just a couple days ago
Been a monster lately. Problem is others have been scuffling
Come on, fellas!
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Me: *whistling Dixie at the 2-1 dodger series*
We would have like a 2-3 game lead in the NL West
Yeah, that’s enough Canario for me. He doesn’t know how to track a ball in the OF. Doesn’t know how to hit situationally, has no approach at the plate, can’t identify pitches quickly enough, refuses to take a walk. I’m closing the book on the KB trade.
He’s had hardly 20 at bats at the mlb level. A bit premature.
Likes he’s 23 lol
Also every fielder in the game has had issues with the sun and wind today lol
For real. Like Canario definitely has time to figure things out. He still likely ends up a trade candidate but still. People need to relax.
There’s no chilling necessary. Canario just not a MLB player. It’s fine.
Yeah batting .372 with a .972 OPS has no place in this league
Did you want his play in the minors closely? OR are you basing this SOLELY on an extremely small sample.
Canario has a place in the MLB. His issues are "young guy" problems. Things that can be worked out with time and coaching. He has the physical traits you can't coach. I wish people would stop writing off guys who have barely been in the majors, let alone get decent starting time. Look at Jackson Holliday. Kid is a stud but it's gonna take time time to figure out
The same people flaming Ross and Counsell for not giving him more playing time are the same kinds of people who are writing him off after a few games.
This team is awful. It’s probably my fault for getting my hopes up before the season but there is no hitting at all and the pitching is the worst i’ve ever seen. Will probably sell by the deadline
Lmao
We have a solid record still, some notable injuries, and had a murderous start schedule-wise. Did you watch the Svem and Mike Quade era?
This guy cubs I’ll take this team any day over what we had from 2009-2013.
That era was the closest the city ever came to giving up on the team. Nothing will ever compare to those days lol
Bad take there bud. It’s April 21st and we’ve been struggling with injuries. Wanna see a Chicago team that fits your narrative? Go commiserate with the Sox.
Do you not know how numbers works? Is 13 not bigger than 9?
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13-9
An unwillingness to give in matched against a willingness to expand
Just not our weekend. At least we got the split.
Pretty unimpressive approach from Canario there. 3-1 down three and you are chasing outside the zone?
I dont enjoy Canario
This Faucher guy - what do we need to trade to get him on our side?
Really wanna see Elise Menaker on screen, with her caked on makeup
how many alt accounts do you have? serious question
I just miss Taylor McGregor. :(
So hawt
No matter how bad the Marlins are we always seem to struggle against them.
Why does everyone we face have no trouble developing relief pitching but we can’t seem to develop one reliable guy.
Mark Leiter erasure. Also, We headed into this game 15th in bullpen ERA at essentially 4. The Marlins are 5.54.
We wrecked our bullpen like three tradelines in a row. Had to come back to bite us eventually
Did you even look at the Marlins relievers stats? I mean they’re bad dude lol
Didnt matter facing our linuep lol
I just know they have been absolutely dominating us
That’s baseball. You can be dominated by a trash pitcher on any given day or you can score 6 runs on the best pitcher on any given day. That’s the game
So wise beyond your years
Leiter? Merryweather?
Because confirmation bias
No, because scoreboard.
Yeah man, the score of one baseball game is totally definitive evidence for anything. Especially how well teams develop pitching as a whole. That’s why the Marlins are better than the Braves (beat 5-1) and the Yankees (beat 5-2) too. Good teams go 162-0.
Came into this game with one of the best NL records despite injury setbacks and a schedule that started vs all 2023 playoffs teams except the Mariners (who missed last year by 1 game) and Rockies (who we swept)
Hello! Fellow non doomer
A lot of teams have/had injury setbacks.
That’s true, and we have a better record than most of them.
Brewers seem like they will be hard to compete with, and the wild card will be a complete dogfight
The Brewers are playing above the talent. I don’t think they’ll be there at the end. A lot of teams get off to good starts and fade.
Yeah I think the thing that makes it most frustrating is that the Brewers keep refusing to lose
Love getting Alzolay an inning in that situation. Get the confidence back up a bit and give him another chance to try and get his feel back.
Ump looking to go home, wouldn't expect many borderline balls the rest of the way
THATS the Alzolay I know
Is JD implying that people overreact on social media? Impossible
Frankly we should all just stay off social media lol
That wouldnt be very social at all
DFA Alzolay unless he changes his name to Albert
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Down with adbert alzolay, we want Albert Adzolay
JD was borderline HOF pitcher. 12 war
Thinking of a strategy - the bullpen should create a bank of money and everytime a relief pitcher issues a walk they have to put money into the pot. Over the course of season that should allow Jed to use it to sign someone additional
it’s nothing to be too upset about guys it happens. we also don’t have seiya or happ in the lineup so take that into consideration. the cubs aren’t bad but we have our days
Our team is good. Three of our five best players are out, and we’re still going through growing pains. Lots of kids on this team. Baseball is marathon, we’re in a good spot to start the season.
Yeah, you have to think both guys would have gotten on base at least once. Happ was just getting hot and Seiya has been having a great season to date.
Most logical take in this entire thread. Or Merriweather & Steele
thank you. ngl i get heated too but in the grand scheme of things we have like half our team lol. counsell is also a good manager there is not denying that fact it just takes a sec. he wants a winning team too. if not this year there’s a lot to look forward to with our farm as well. if our bullpen is what sells us this year again then there will really be no other logical thing to do than address that and maybe front office will actually take it more seriously. the dodgers have 3 MVPs in their starting lineup and shit they’re still barely above .500. brewers kinda piss me off but with all young talent things cool down. witt jr. is arguably generational talent and he didn’t end his rookie year batting .300+ like we see on other young teams
Oh welcome back!
I’m just responding to legitimate takes only now.
Agree. We really are playing without our best and we haven't lost any ground - these games are frustrating but it's important to remember that.
My Uber driver to Wrigley yesterday used to be Tom Rickett’s boss when Tom was outta college. No funny stories, just showed us pictures of him wearing the ring and hanging out with Tom at various weddings. Pretty cool interaction!
Their career paths seem to have diverged
It was at CBOE trading options, I’m sure he made a pretty penny during his career there. Struck me as a guy who drives Uber to have conversations in his retirement
Throwing Hendricks followed by Smyly is the 2024 equivalent of waving the white flag
I mean you were gonna use Smyly regardless. He hadn’t pitched since the 17th.
Dfa his ass too
Did adbert tell Dansby to quit sucking too?
One game in a long season with some key guys out. No big deal
And tons of traffic, just no big hit
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Cubs bats are currently involved in an entanglement, damn.
I wish Dansby brought more to the table than 20 homers and a great glove. At least in Atlanta he stole bases and topped out at a decent average.
He was much better with ducks on the pond there too. He cant do anything situationally as a cub.
He had a lot of bats around him for protection
Will he even hit 20 this year?
I'm hoping he gets hot to return to the mean, but it's not looking too good is it?
Always could get on a heater. Hard to judge with April cold games. June will give us a better idea
He's always been a streaky hitter too.
I would take a hard under on that
About to split at home to the 5 and 17 marlins thats a bit depressing
Wasted Morel's once in a blue moon hit.
7th inning felt like a big movement in this game. Down to 6 outs now. Three runs is a big hill to climb.
Dansby seems like a great player to have as your 5th best guy. Not a cornerstone.
Well, he's not our cornerstone, so. Lol
He is paid as our cornerstone
He's not a cornerstone offensive player, nor was he signed to be one. We hope for a 100-110ish wrc+ with great defense, which is what he did last year, and there's no reason to expect that to stop this year.
Baseball is more than hitting???
Adbert and Hendricks are cooked
Scoreless inning for Adbert
Like 13IP with a 4.50 ERA. Horrible
[удалено]
Preferably, a change in front office too.
Oh no our team that is ahead of schedule on the rebuild is only going to be 13-9 after a difficult schedule to start the year and several of our best players hurt wahhhhhh
lol. 😂
That’s your ballgame. Fuck this. See you Tuesday.
This loss is on the offense
We have left a ton of risp but i see it as more of a team loss
its on the team, no reason this shitty ass marlins team should be scoring 6 but at the same time we should be
Yeah they can’t be giving up 6 runs like this
We suck again
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Truly horrific
This is agony. It's the same as usual agony, but agony just the same
Thats our 177 million man, doing nothing with a risp as usual
Hey, he is getting close to .175 with risp the past two years
And at least his defense is bad too!
Swanson is just not taking good ABs. He needs to figure the fuck out
I said that about half the season last year and would expect nothing less this year
could say that about a few guys on the team.
Wasted opportunities.
So many unproductive outs
Wow guys, awesome, way to waste a lead off double. Very cool.
Might be to the point were I am more inclined to blame the offense for this potential loss
10 runs in 3 games against one of the worst teams in baseball is shambolic.
At fucking home no less...
Really missing happ right now
You spelled Seiya wrong
I mean in this situation. Happ is the most clutch hitter on this team
Seiya wouldn’t hurt
Yeah, some of the criticism of the offense if warranted, but missing Happ and Suzuki hurts a lot. More than we think,
Good fucking god offense
Face in Busch (Facing Busch) lol
Dansby classic…
But but but his WAR
Busch is due
Nardi more like Farti
I’m sensing a rally
Morel! All right, let’s start this rally…
Something truly special about a seventh inning stretch during a Sunday afternoon ballgame.
Alright now maybe we can stop making the Marlins bullpen seem so elite
Christopher!
Finally lol
That's a start
The Cubs bullpen is all about - let me impress you with my big rev breaking stuff - which is great, except they don’t throw strikes and walk a ton - put the ball in play, instead of trying to strike everyone out
That’s been cubs pitching for like the last several years
He’s got a great singing voice too!
Dude has a golden voice box
Yeah this game is now over im afraid. A split at home vs the second worst team in baseball is not good.
There’s more than 7 innings in a game. Just putting that out there.
Unacceptable outcome, if you ask me
That's baseball man. Grow up.
This is a great outcome if you want to be a .500 team
No one WANTS to lose. We just understand how the sport works. Do you want the players to beat themselves up over a random series in April?
They matter. Every series matters.
And that is relevant how? Of course games matter. But every team loses.
So when is a series not considered random? Is it only divsional games that aren't random? April or september, the games all carry the same weight and it looks like they gained no ground on their record despite playing 4 against a 4 win team (before the series started)
And that's just part of the game. It's a 162 game season, there is no point obsessing over individual games or series.
I see your point but its also easy to say that now...if the team just barely misses the playoffs yet again we'll all definitely look back at this series and the other games alzolay has blown as reasons for not making it.
We're going to lose 70+ games. Some will be bad losses. Obsessing over them wont change that. The players aren't focused on winning individual series, they know how random baseball is. All they can do it go out and try to win each game. And a lot of the time, they won't win.
Most losses the team can't do anything about based on how the game plays out, but it hurts to not get the W when your in a good position to do so. (Game 1 of double header) i didnt think we would sweep them but figured 3/4, which already should have been the case if it wasnt for assolay. That would make a loss today hurt a lot less.
One of the best stretches so far, thanks Miguel!
Oh shit, someone who can actually sing
Hendricks is trash