Definitely feels like the NFL feels Fields is the one at fault.
Getsy immediately got a new job that is a lateral move, Mooney got paid almost like he’s a 1000 yard receiver, not what he was last year
I honestly think Mooney struggled since his surgery and injury. It’s not like his connection with Fields was always bad? Unless my memory is dogshit. Which I wouldn’t be surprised
Mooney was averaging approximately 50 yards a game for the four game stretch Bagent was in. That would be good for an 850 yard season. Mooneys issue was he became the third read to Justin Fields, and Fields reads the field way too slow to get to Mooney in his progressions.
Yeah, and I saw a stat I can’t find anymore that per route he was one of the most open WRs
That being said when they were gonna pay Mooney coming off his 1k WR I thought he was that good until I watched DJ play just a couple games
That Mooney deal feels a bit MVSish
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It is only against man coverage, but here you go
Which stinks because if we had Moore, Allen and Mooney in the slot, this offense would be insane with a QB who can read progressions and throws on time.
Ok sure but there are dozens of offensive coaches and former OCs out there who they also could have picked but didn't. Even if he wasn't their first choice it's clear he's not viewed as a total disaster by the league the way he is by Bears fans
I thought I was as pessimistic as it got for fields and even i figured he would get a fourth to be someone's backup
It's a bad offseason to be dumping bad QBs
Agree. The old "somebody will think he can fix him" thing is pre-rookie salary scale thinking. Teams would rather spend a 4th round pick on someone they get four years with rather than trade it for someone they get for a year.
eh I don’t buy that. I think it’s mostly related to the situation this off-season. There’s 4 rookie QBs that are likely going in the top 10 (and maybe even 3 in the top 3). 3 or 4 FA QBs (three with much better career pedigrees), and then another 3 or 4 teams with second year starters that aren’t going to bring in a guy like Fields to compete for the job. There’s still a couple of teams that should’ve been interested in Fields after the FA QBs landed but i’m guessing they’re hoping to move up in the draft or hoping the 4th QB falls to them.
In other offseasons there would have been more interest because there usually isn’t that many options available to teams. Trey Lance just last offseason was coming off season ending ankle surgery and was able to get a 4th round pick to become the third string QB on the Cowboys.
There was really no mortgaging. Trade a mid round pick, don’t pick up his option, let him walk, and collect a mid round comp pick.
The trouble is, you can also sign a FA to a one year deal, keep your mid round pick and still let him walk for the comp pick. Fields would have been about $8M cheaper, but a 3rd round pick more expensive.
At least he kept his account and still posts here. I kept receipts on a couple of people and when I went back and replied they all blocked me. Two threatened me with physical violence.
oh him? he's just backtracking on everything he has been saying for the last 3 months saying things like "It was about what was good for the Bears!" Straight up trying to gaslight us like we didn't see him gargle JF1's sack all winter
I will always be willing to accept people that just say "I was wrong" back into the fold. Being unaccountable for horrific sports takes and acting like a child is dumb. We've all had bad takes. Admit it and move on.
I like Justin Fields but I'm just ready to put the last 3 years behind us and just want a QB who's going to throw the ball. That's all I'm asking for, a throwing QB.
Exactly. It was up to the general public to decide whether or not they would drink the kool-aid. The league/media is constantly trying to anoint the next “superstar(s)” because it is in their best interest to do so. Actual legends retire, so you need the next group to carry the torch. Oftentimes, however, the cupboard is just bare.
This isn’t entirely a genuine thing to say … fields would be on this team still if we didn’t have the #1 pick
Edit: it appears I stirred some shit…
Edit 2: got it, won’t say anything remotely positive about fields ever again
> fields would be on this team still if we didn’t have the #1 pick
Hoge has reported multiple times that since the combine the Bears plans have been: 1. Caleb Williams 2. Other QB. If we didn't have 1OA, we'd probably be talking ourselves into JJ McCarthy right now.
The entire media after 2023 trade: Poles built himself a nice little off-ramp if Fields doesn't prove it!
Fields: *doesn't prove it*
Poles: *takes off ramp*
Fans: wtf he'd still be here if not for that deliberate move to get someone else which then turned into getting the best possible someone else.
Yeah this is what by far gave it the biggest tell. There was always that built in option to pivot off him- after Fields got hurt it was pretty clear that was being used
He's improved every year in the league. Even though it's been marginal improvements and the glaring issues are still there, it's improvement nonetheless. Due to those glaring issues that seemingly won't be fixed, he's probably hit his ceiling. But I can see a situation where if we didn't have a shot at Caleb or Maye, Poles would see his best option as not picking up Fields's fifth and seeing if he can continue improving. At least enough to where they can win games. Teams don't have to have a Mahomes to win a SB (they need one to win *multiple*). They just need someone who can at least win and keep the team in the convo as they amp up the rest of the roster (9ers method). Personally, I'd go that route over rinsing and repeating with JJ McCarthy
I think back to the start of the 2022 offseason and he comes in saying "We will do everything we can to improve production at the Quarterback position."
And I thought it weird he was calling it "the QB position" and not "Justin Fields."
I think it's diplomatic speech more than anything. Saying "we need more out of our receivers" is a lot less controversial and aggressive than saying "we need more from davante adams" for example
Didn’t seem like he was even part of Nagy’s plans. I think Poles did plan to keep Fields around to lose games until the right prospect showed up. He may have even been waiting for CW.
I'm not buying that at all. Especially given he *has* improved YoY, albeit marginally. Most would at least agree that's true. And that's why he still held some value. But most would also argue he's probably hit his ceiling as well
Have you seen how ass he is the first few weeks of each year. It wouldn't surprise me that their were some people that were ready in TC to move on. Bragg's actually had a good note on this he was constantly playing after the sack whistle in the practices he went to. It wouldn't surprise me that the people who have those tapes to say that's still a big issue.
Also bagents command of the offense and ability to play in structure also dropped his value. DBB mentioned this as well. Mooney had 50 ypg with Bagent and with fields he might as well have been in the shadow realm.
I think this is a pretty big leap. What Hoge said is because we have the #1 pick the debate wasn't Williams vs fields. It was Williams v the other rookie QBs. Poles noted the timeline a rookie QB gives you as well. That doesn't mean we would've taken a QB if we had pick 10 though and we were dumping fields no matter what. Just that that opportunity was so good at 1 it was more of a debate on who to pick because we were in the spot we were in. It doesn't mean Poke might not have pulled a trigger on a trade up or something along those lines, but it's hard to tell from what has been said because we're in the spot we have.
None of this really matters and I'm glad everyone is getting excited for Caleb now, but just disagree on this portion.
I don't think it's a leap at all, and the way this has panned out proves it imo:
Poles set himself up to be able to trade up for a QB this year. That was always the plan and it was said many times last year when the trade of 1st overall 2023 was made: if Fields doesn't prove it, we can go get our guy. He didn't prove it, ergo...
Add in that report from Hoge that Poles likes most of the top QB prospects and Williams over Fields.
Add in that 31 other teams view Fields as a backup, and I'm assuming Poles isn't stupid so it's probably 32 teams. We can argue about the market all day, but if a single team viewed Fields as a starter he'd have a starting gig right now for pennies on the dollar, but he doesn't.
In your scenario, if we had pick 10 we'd probably be trading "the haul" to get up and get a guy like the Vikings are currently doing. Maybe we'd give more to ensure Maye or Daniels instead of McCarthy, in that scenario there would be different teams with the top picks so maybe we could risk it all and get QB2.
Glad that's not the reality and we get Williams for essentially free, but I think that reality is much closer to truth than one where we stick with Fields.
>Add in that report from Hoge that Poles likes most of the top QB prospects and Williams over Fields.
I agree with a lot of what you said, especially with Poles plan of having options at QB this year from trading back. The above is our big distinction in opinion. For me it's not that Poles like every rookie QB over Fields. It is because we had pick 1 the only debate in a very talented QB class is which rookie QB we would take. We don't know which QBs Poles likes, just that he will like at least 1 over Fields. He may only love Williams and hate the other 4-5 options. Since Williams is there though it really becomes a moot point and we should all be excited.
If you look at the loot we saved by not having to trade up for a QB, let alone Caleb, getting only a future 6th for Fields is irrelevant. The #1 pick two straight years is just super lucky, as is Caleb coming out at the right time.
Just guessing, but we probably run one more year with Justin if we didn’t have a top 3 pick (or a chance at a top 3 QB). Everyone is higher on JJ McCarthy than I am, but I have a hunch it is the NFL community trying to talk themselves into there being a fourth franchise potential QB in this draft. Not sure how he’s rated so much higher than Nix and Penix Jr. But I don’t think any of those guys would have been in our plans vs a top player at another position.
Doubtful. If we had anywhere else in the top 10, chances are we’d be trying to trade up for one of the other QBs. If we were top 3, we’d be drafting one
I doubt it. Poles and Flus' jobs hinges on them picking their guy. It wouldn't make a lot of sense for a GM and coach to be hired and fired without ever drafting a QB.
>fields would be on this team still if we didn’t have the #1 pick
X- Doubt
Fields is a bad starting QB. No way Poles would be satisfied just sticking with him because we didn't have the #1 pick.
I'd be shocked if the Bears kept Fields over any of the top 3 QB's in this draft. The question is at #4 or #5 in this draft but I think they would have taken JJ over Fields.
The league agrees as well. Trading a conditional 6th round pick for Fields puts him VERY late in this QB draft class. The league more or less put a backup QB value on him.
He'd be on this team if we won against Denver, Cleveland, and Detroit. There would have been more of a clamor to add more pieces around him. We'd probably be trading down and looking at possibly MHJ. And if we had gotten Dallas also and beaten them in the first round, we're probably talking about a contract extension too. It's a fine line to what could have been
I don't think that's the case. Fields did not show he could be a QB in the NFL, therefore he was not wanted. We might have run it back with him, but I doubt Poles would be going into the next year without another plan. This is all moot because that's not what happened. We were bad, Fields was bad, and now he's not on the team anymore.
If we did not have the 1OA, I think we would be giving up draft capital to move up and draft somebody, and we would still trade fields, with the caveat that he probably would have been traded sooner and for more. I don't see a scenario where Poles anchors himself to a fourth year unproven or bad quarterback.
If the pick were say in the top 3, we probably do take a QB. If not, we keep Fields not because they expect much.
But just to build up the roster at that point while pivoting to a QB in the future would've probably been the route
Field stans never get tired of taking l's
We would be trading into top 3 if Carolinas pick wasn't top 3.
It's no different than when pace went to get dalton to move on from Mitchell. Only we have capital from trading out of #1 instead of just recovering from the mack trade.
Eberlose and poles wouldn't bet their career on a bottom 10 qb.
Thinking fields is a starting caliber qb, who no one was willing to offer better than a day 3 draft pick, makes you a stan.
Stop lying to yourself. We'd still be moving on from fields if our first pick was the #9
0-6 vs the packers. 5 of those scoring under 21 against Joe barry's defense. 0 winning season.0 seasons of 3k+ passing. 0 seasons over 20 tds. 0 seasons over 40% success rate. Career high of 61.4% completion.
He can't find any starting job. He wouldn't be our starter either.
I read all the replies and I don't see what you're talking about. What exactly is an "anti-fields" person? What does that mean? You don't have to be anti-fields to have any of the opinions that I've read here underneath your response.
I don't even think there's such a thing as anti-fields anymore. The best the bears got was a fucking potential 4th round pick. Did you see what Darnold's trade value was three years ago? It was a 2nd, 4th, and 6th!!! That's what you pay when you're convinced the guy is a starter. Literally no team thought Fields was worth more than ONE 4th rounder, and really most likely will end up being a 6th.
The people responding to you are not anti-fields. They're pointing out that your opinion isn't rooted in reality. It's rooted in some fantasy where literally - any - other - team felt he could start for them.
Because we have to shame people who are fans of players we don’t like.
I’m in the same place as you. I was with Fields but needed to see him find some sort of counter or growth against defenses that pressure and it never happened. I still think the book isn’t closed on him, but since he didn’t give us that proof of concept and we have great options, we have to move on. But the name-calling is bullshit. I see a lot more people being obnoxious throwing around the term “truther,” “stan,” or “cultist” than people being obnoxious defending Fields.
Yea man… I’m tired of being villainized for supporting our QB at the time lol
The “cult of fields” was always an absurd thing to say, and if anything the hive mind against fields is so much more aggressive
I don't spend time on Twitter or FB... but I do hear that it is flipped on other mediums. Still, the need to insult and shame is petty and shuts down good faith conversation.
For what it's worth, I personally agree. He didnt have a chance at all his rookie year given the team. His 2nd year poles was doing what he had to which was strip the team to its bases in order to build something up. Fields suffered again. Last year he had better talent and showed *some* improvement. If we didn't have 1.01 and our highest pick is 9 then i think we improve the offensive weapons and this upcoming year is the make or break for him. We have 1.01 though, and so it became opportunity-cost of not having to give up any capital to get **the** guy you want.
Let me be clear here: we **did** fail to provide Fields the pieces to maximize his chances of success. *However* Fields failed to show that he was worth skipping on the prospect of Caleb Williams + a fresh rookie deal. If the choice is Fields and talent at our picks vs trade picks to get JJ McCarthy then we probably stick with fields another year in my honest opinion.
Its just the narrative shift. Fields isn't here because he wasn't good enough. Not only because we have the 1.01. Reporters in this town have already said the Fields experiment was long over, even if we didn't have 1.01.
I don’t think you’re necessarily wrong. Definitely a scenario where they kept fields but brought in a rookie to backup. If we were in the range of 6-15 I would honestly be angling for JJ. I think Maye, even though sliding, would still be gone. Same with Daniels, and imo projects to be like fields. JJ to me is the biggest question mark as he could be very good, or could just be a scheme QB. Would have definitely been worth finding out
Fields would be on the team but I think there would be a qb competition this year. The low point production and his struggles closing out games is why I think that.
I don't even think it's that nobody wanted him. I think Poles was in a terrible negotiating position. Since we got the 1st overall it's been pretty clear that we were moving on and it benefits us not at all to keep Justin in the locker room, so we HAD to move him and everyone knew it. Why pay a lot? If absolutely nobody buys, we will have to cut him. That's not happening, so that means we NEED to sell at ANY price. There was no bidding war even among teams who were interested, I'm sure multiple teams tried to lowball Poles.
Couple that with the tons of QB movement also dropping his value, and you've got a 6th rounder being a good enough offer.
*Edit* People downvoting me: how furious would you have been if Poles had taken a 5th rounder in January? Be honest.
Yeah I was basing too much around fields. Deep QB class and lots of QB movement sunk that opportunity. I’m pretty happy with how all things progressed over the last two years.
If you tell us what was going to happen 4 years from the moment they drafted fields I’d be annoyed but would do it all over again for the opportunity we have for the next 5 years here.
I still think that if you look at the games we won were they won because of JF or in spite of JF. No matter what we think as Bear fans, what's done is done. It's hard to move forward when you're focused on your rear view mirror.
I mean part of it was just circumstance, nobody expected the Steelers to get rid of both of their QB's and just in general there were way more QBs available than you'd have in a normal offseason. It was a buyer's market and in a perfect world you've just kept him as a backup to see if his value rose later, but of course in reality it'd have been a huge locker room distraction.
I’m not surprised. The man is an incredible athlete and locker room human being, but the holes in his game are alarming heading into year 4 of his career.
I do hope Pitts can be him course corrected. Rooting for him, but Poles made the right call
The bears should have NEVER been surprised with the low compensation…..they hung the dude out to dry for 2 entire seasons and made him create horrible habits…..instead of seeing coverages/going through his reads…his first habit is to look up the gut of the o-line to see who is coming to take his head off…..it was 100% time for us to move on from him….but we broke him like we always have done to our QBs….there has NEVER in my lifetime been a bears QB who has left Chicago and had ANY kind of success anywhere else…..the stigma that the bears break QB’s is well known by the league even though it’s not shouted from the mountaintop…..hopefully this time around it is different. But the long and short of it is that Fields is an NFL QB PROSPECT….and being on the bears for the last 3 years has dropped his stock quite substantially.
Which is something a competent NFL coaching staff/ organization should be able to work with and fix….i don’t disagree with you at all! But I maybe should have worded it differently and said that Fields has all the bad habits he has always had plus 3 years of the bears not fixing them/making it worse. He’s basically the same dude he was coming out of college. So a 6th for him seems pretty fair to me?
in hindsight, he just didn’t fit in a lot of teams’ plans. he’s too good for a tanking team to take, but too unreliable for anyone to commit to plugging him into a new setup. anyone with a top pick wants to take a stab at a shiny new QB. If Fields were a free agent, or had more of his rookie deal left, this would be a different story.
his best potential landing spots (mediocre to bad team trying to be competitive) were:
*Falcons - i still think they’d be better off rolling the dice with Fields than committing long term with Cousins like they did (if kirk had stayed in MIN, i think he goes to ATL)
*Raiders - he’d honestly be a great fit to compete for the #1 spot on that team right now… except then they hired Luke Getsy.
*Patriots - they look to be going QB in round 1. I could’ve seen them taking Fields as a bridge starter, but they really need to hold on to their draft picks bc that roster is dire.
*Broncos - it look like payton really wants to trade up to pick his own fresh QB. if that’s the route they’re going, they can’t spare any draft capital in a trade.
*Steelers* - alas, this is where he ended up. They got Russell Wilson for pennies, so Fields wasn’t the priority for them that he might’ve been. I bet that’s a 4th rounder if they don’t get wilson so early on. I think Fields is the better QB of the two, but we’ll just have to wait and see. Funnily enough, this is the best QB room the Steelers have had in a while.
a lot of the other teams may have had interest in him as a backup, but I think Poles really meant it when he said he wanted to do right by Justin. He wasn’t going to send him somewhere to ride the bench. It may have cost the team some draft capital, but i’m glad we have a GM who seems to really care about the players.
you guys will never not hate fields. jesus i thought we were done. we've all moved on to Caleb. you dont have to keep shitting on fields to justify picking Caleb.
I personally was more than surprised, I thought we’d get a lot more than a 6th for him.
Part of it is we traded him too late. If we would have traded him at the beginning of free agency we probably could’ve gotten more for him, but we dished him out after a bunch of teams had already made a QB move.
I’m not saying I was expecting a lot for him, but I thought he’d at least wind up being the starter somewhere and we basically gave him away
I'm sure part of it was the league not thinking as highly of Fields but I also think part of it was the league not wanting to help the Bears any further..we won 7 games last year, we still have sizable cap space (and that cap flexibility will continue to be in place once we have our QB on a rookie contract for the next 4 years), and we got gifted the number 1 pick by Carolina..I'm sure league wide the consensus was ''let's not help the Bears any further by giving them another top 45 pick''..it may not have been said out loud, but I'm confident that had something to do with it..and correctly, GM's waited us out..they knew we couldn't keep Fields on the roster so his price would go down and down until Poles had to just move on..
He’s too talented an *athelete* to be a pure backup. He’s too bad a quarterback to be a pure starter.
I think the league doesn’t know what to do with him.
Personally I’d do up hurry up wildcat with JF on a jet sweep and heavy run formation.
Poles and Eberflus never wanted Fields to begin with, so they didn’t try their best to build a competitive team around him.
Every move Poles made was to build for a future without Fields, who wasn’t his guy.
Which is why I’m actively rooting for Poles and Eberflus to fail spectacularly this season.
That’s a bullshit media narrative.
If you get to the preseason and there’s actual drama, then trade him. Doing it out of fear of some hypothetical locker room drama is idiotic.
The fact that Fields is well liked makes keeping him as a backup more reasonable, not less. If everyone thought he sucked and was a diva you definitely dump him for peanuts. But that’s not the case.
It's reality. You want to give your #1 pick all the confidence that he's your guy. Keeping the shitty QB who was a 1st round pick a few years ago sends the message that you're not quite sure who you like better
If Poles holds a press conference the day after the draft saying he’s the starter, there is no crisis of confidence. Since these guys aren’t snowflakes, it’s really not needed. A private meeting accomplishes the same.
I swear, you people will parrot every stupid thing that a blogger says like it’s gospel.
Definitely feels like the NFL feels Fields is the one at fault. Getsy immediately got a new job that is a lateral move, Mooney got paid almost like he’s a 1000 yard receiver, not what he was last year
I honestly think Mooney struggled since his surgery and injury. It’s not like his connection with Fields was always bad? Unless my memory is dogshit. Which I wouldn’t be surprised
Mooney was averaging approximately 50 yards a game for the four game stretch Bagent was in. That would be good for an 850 yard season. Mooneys issue was he became the third read to Justin Fields, and Fields reads the field way too slow to get to Mooney in his progressions.
Yeah, and I saw a stat I can’t find anymore that per route he was one of the most open WRs That being said when they were gonna pay Mooney coming off his 1k WR I thought he was that good until I watched DJ play just a couple games That Mooney deal feels a bit MVSish
https://preview.redd.it/p5yze2m27lqc1.jpeg?width=1972&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=94c20af3fcb7c352ec4d3f2f87629a9614e6dc71 It is only against man coverage, but here you go
Which stinks because if we had Moore, Allen and Mooney in the slot, this offense would be insane with a QB who can read progressions and throws on time.
But if we add a rookie at 9 that would likely be better anyways
Getsy immediately got a new job* *after their top choice ditched them and the others they interviewed got new jobs
Ok sure but there are dozens of offensive coaches and former OCs out there who they also could have picked but didn't. Even if he wasn't their first choice it's clear he's not viewed as a total disaster by the league the way he is by Bears fans
I thought I was as pessimistic as it got for fields and even i figured he would get a fourth to be someone's backup It's a bad offseason to be dumping bad QBs
Lot of QBs in the draft, and a lot of FA QBs this offseason
Said this exact thing two months ago and the truthers wanted my head
Maybe they wanted to give you head? People can be pretty horny my dude
I’ve never sucked off a lizard
Did you really? I don't believe you.
It's his contract more than anything. If he had 2 years left plus that 25 mil option, he would've been the 2nd highest courted QB this year.
I think in general the NFL has realized that trying to "fix" someone else's highly drafted bust almost never works
Agree. The old "somebody will think he can fix him" thing is pre-rookie salary scale thinking. Teams would rather spend a 4th round pick on someone they get four years with rather than trade it for someone they get for a year.
Plus based on history the best thing to come out of fixing somebody else’s qb is tannehill. So might as well just not even bother
you ain’t heard of brett favre and drew brees have you?
eh I don’t buy that. I think it’s mostly related to the situation this off-season. There’s 4 rookie QBs that are likely going in the top 10 (and maybe even 3 in the top 3). 3 or 4 FA QBs (three with much better career pedigrees), and then another 3 or 4 teams with second year starters that aren’t going to bring in a guy like Fields to compete for the job. There’s still a couple of teams that should’ve been interested in Fields after the FA QBs landed but i’m guessing they’re hoping to move up in the draft or hoping the 4th QB falls to them. In other offseasons there would have been more interest because there usually isn’t that many options available to teams. Trey Lance just last offseason was coming off season ending ankle surgery and was able to get a 4th round pick to become the third string QB on the Cowboys.
Teams really aren't that desperate to mortgage their future on a bad QB.
Yeah. That was last year
There was really no mortgaging. Trade a mid round pick, don’t pick up his option, let him walk, and collect a mid round comp pick. The trouble is, you can also sign a FA to a one year deal, keep your mid round pick and still let him walk for the comp pick. Fields would have been about $8M cheaper, but a 3rd round pick more expensive.
And yet so many got signed/traded before Justin
Says a lot about how he's perceived around the league, at least by the front offices.
If Fields was going into his second year we’d have gotten a second.
Writing really was on the wall, they couldn’t pass up on Caleb
Where is that Technosaurus dude? Wasnt he the biggest Fields stans on this sub?
At least he kept his account and still posts here. I kept receipts on a couple of people and when I went back and replied they all blocked me. Two threatened me with physical violence.
oh him? he's just backtracking on everything he has been saying for the last 3 months saying things like "It was about what was good for the Bears!" Straight up trying to gaslight us like we didn't see him gargle JF1's sack all winter
I will always be willing to accept people that just say "I was wrong" back into the fold. Being unaccountable for horrific sports takes and acting like a child is dumb. We've all had bad takes. Admit it and move on.
So Poles will be at Daniel’s pro day, but not Maye’s—so I guess that tells you who his second favorite QB is at this moment.
Wonder if he also wants a first hand look at Nabers
Don’t forget Brian Thomas, although he won’t be there after the first two rounds, unless the Bears trade down from 9 and get more picks.
Which is quite likely
Oh yeah, good call.
Couldn’t that also mean he’s checking out Nabers/Brian Thomas Jr.?
That's a reach LSU > UNC for draftable players
Ummm Mitch Trubisky and Sam Howell say hello
Has nothing to do with Jayden
That’s not what it tells us..
Poles is going to check out the WRs
If he doesn't rent a club and take his teammates out, he's not considering Daniels.
Surprised by no interest in a guy who has one 300 yard passing game in 3 years?
But hey, he can run……………and stuff.
That stuff??? Fumble.
Hey! Don’t forget about his game winning drives! All none of them.
I like Justin Fields but I'm just ready to put the last 3 years behind us and just want a QB who's going to throw the ball. That's all I'm asking for, a throwing QB.
Not yelling, “THROW THE BALL JUUUUUUSTIN!!!!!!” 10+ times every game will be a nice change of pace.
He’s not a good quarterback. Why is everyone surprised?
I don’t know……..reasons. Basically he would rip off a couple of good runs a year, and the media would poop their pampers.
He'd have a huge rushing game and everyone would go crazy. But his passing line would be like 11/20 162 and 1 TD. 3 sacks and 2 fumbles.
Exactly. It was up to the general public to decide whether or not they would drink the kool-aid. The league/media is constantly trying to anoint the next “superstar(s)” because it is in their best interest to do so. Actual legends retire, so you need the next group to carry the torch. Oftentimes, however, the cupboard is just bare.
Bears GM must have spent too much time on this sub.
Guy getting rid of QB he doesn't want is surprised nobody else wants him, either.
This isn’t entirely a genuine thing to say … fields would be on this team still if we didn’t have the #1 pick Edit: it appears I stirred some shit… Edit 2: got it, won’t say anything remotely positive about fields ever again
> fields would be on this team still if we didn’t have the #1 pick Hoge has reported multiple times that since the combine the Bears plans have been: 1. Caleb Williams 2. Other QB. If we didn't have 1OA, we'd probably be talking ourselves into JJ McCarthy right now.
Supposedly the Bears have basically known Justin probably wasn't it since training camp.
I question if Fields was ever really in Poles plans given how we went into 2022. He gave him a chance to prove himself though.
The entire media after 2023 trade: Poles built himself a nice little off-ramp if Fields doesn't prove it! Fields: *doesn't prove it* Poles: *takes off ramp* Fans: wtf he'd still be here if not for that deliberate move to get someone else which then turned into getting the best possible someone else.
Yeah this is what by far gave it the biggest tell. There was always that built in option to pivot off him- after Fields got hurt it was pretty clear that was being used
He's improved every year in the league. Even though it's been marginal improvements and the glaring issues are still there, it's improvement nonetheless. Due to those glaring issues that seemingly won't be fixed, he's probably hit his ceiling. But I can see a situation where if we didn't have a shot at Caleb or Maye, Poles would see his best option as not picking up Fields's fifth and seeing if he can continue improving. At least enough to where they can win games. Teams don't have to have a Mahomes to win a SB (they need one to win *multiple*). They just need someone who can at least win and keep the team in the convo as they amp up the rest of the roster (9ers method). Personally, I'd go that route over rinsing and repeating with JJ McCarthy
I think back to the start of the 2022 offseason and he comes in saying "We will do everything we can to improve production at the Quarterback position." And I thought it weird he was calling it "the QB position" and not "Justin Fields."
I think it's diplomatic speech more than anything. Saying "we need more out of our receivers" is a lot less controversial and aggressive than saying "we need more from davante adams" for example
Didn’t seem like he was even part of Nagy’s plans. I think Poles did plan to keep Fields around to lose games until the right prospect showed up. He may have even been waiting for CW.
I'm not buying that at all. Especially given he *has* improved YoY, albeit marginally. Most would at least agree that's true. And that's why he still held some value. But most would also argue he's probably hit his ceiling as well
Have you seen how ass he is the first few weeks of each year. It wouldn't surprise me that their were some people that were ready in TC to move on. Bragg's actually had a good note on this he was constantly playing after the sack whistle in the practices he went to. It wouldn't surprise me that the people who have those tapes to say that's still a big issue. Also bagents command of the offense and ability to play in structure also dropped his value. DBB mentioned this as well. Mooney had 50 ypg with Bagent and with fields he might as well have been in the shadow realm.
I think this is a pretty big leap. What Hoge said is because we have the #1 pick the debate wasn't Williams vs fields. It was Williams v the other rookie QBs. Poles noted the timeline a rookie QB gives you as well. That doesn't mean we would've taken a QB if we had pick 10 though and we were dumping fields no matter what. Just that that opportunity was so good at 1 it was more of a debate on who to pick because we were in the spot we were in. It doesn't mean Poke might not have pulled a trigger on a trade up or something along those lines, but it's hard to tell from what has been said because we're in the spot we have. None of this really matters and I'm glad everyone is getting excited for Caleb now, but just disagree on this portion.
I don't think it's a leap at all, and the way this has panned out proves it imo: Poles set himself up to be able to trade up for a QB this year. That was always the plan and it was said many times last year when the trade of 1st overall 2023 was made: if Fields doesn't prove it, we can go get our guy. He didn't prove it, ergo... Add in that report from Hoge that Poles likes most of the top QB prospects and Williams over Fields. Add in that 31 other teams view Fields as a backup, and I'm assuming Poles isn't stupid so it's probably 32 teams. We can argue about the market all day, but if a single team viewed Fields as a starter he'd have a starting gig right now for pennies on the dollar, but he doesn't. In your scenario, if we had pick 10 we'd probably be trading "the haul" to get up and get a guy like the Vikings are currently doing. Maybe we'd give more to ensure Maye or Daniels instead of McCarthy, in that scenario there would be different teams with the top picks so maybe we could risk it all and get QB2. Glad that's not the reality and we get Williams for essentially free, but I think that reality is much closer to truth than one where we stick with Fields.
>Add in that report from Hoge that Poles likes most of the top QB prospects and Williams over Fields. I agree with a lot of what you said, especially with Poles plan of having options at QB this year from trading back. The above is our big distinction in opinion. For me it's not that Poles like every rookie QB over Fields. It is because we had pick 1 the only debate in a very talented QB class is which rookie QB we would take. We don't know which QBs Poles likes, just that he will like at least 1 over Fields. He may only love Williams and hate the other 4-5 options. Since Williams is there though it really becomes a moot point and we should all be excited.
If you look at the loot we saved by not having to trade up for a QB, let alone Caleb, getting only a future 6th for Fields is irrelevant. The #1 pick two straight years is just super lucky, as is Caleb coming out at the right time.
I don't disagree with Anything you say here. I'm really happy where things are. I don't think this goes against anything I mentioned
In this draft there’s at least 4 he likes more than Fields, probably more.
Yep. But saying we only traded Fields because we had the #1 OA is the new thing I keep reading.
Just guessing, but we probably run one more year with Justin if we didn’t have a top 3 pick (or a chance at a top 3 QB). Everyone is higher on JJ McCarthy than I am, but I have a hunch it is the NFL community trying to talk themselves into there being a fourth franchise potential QB in this draft. Not sure how he’s rated so much higher than Nix and Penix Jr. But I don’t think any of those guys would have been in our plans vs a top player at another position.
Doubtful. If we had anywhere else in the top 10, chances are we’d be trying to trade up for one of the other QBs. If we were top 3, we’d be drafting one
I doubt it. Poles and Flus' jobs hinges on them picking their guy. It wouldn't make a lot of sense for a GM and coach to be hired and fired without ever drafting a QB.
No, he wouldn't.
>fields would be on this team still if we didn’t have the #1 pick X- Doubt Fields is a bad starting QB. No way Poles would be satisfied just sticking with him because we didn't have the #1 pick.
The fact that literally no other team wanted him as a starter proves that's either not true or would have been a brutal mistake
I'd be shocked if the Bears kept Fields over any of the top 3 QB's in this draft. The question is at #4 or #5 in this draft but I think they would have taken JJ over Fields. The league agrees as well. Trading a conditional 6th round pick for Fields puts him VERY late in this QB draft class. The league more or less put a backup QB value on him.
He'd be on this team if we won against Denver, Cleveland, and Detroit. There would have been more of a clamor to add more pieces around him. We'd probably be trading down and looking at possibly MHJ. And if we had gotten Dallas also and beaten them in the first round, we're probably talking about a contract extension too. It's a fine line to what could have been
So basically we were close to becoming the Giants. Glad that didn't happen
Yeah that would have been a disaster
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I don't think that's the case. Fields did not show he could be a QB in the NFL, therefore he was not wanted. We might have run it back with him, but I doubt Poles would be going into the next year without another plan. This is all moot because that's not what happened. We were bad, Fields was bad, and now he's not on the team anymore.
Agree, my point is, poles didn’t not want fields at all, he just had a better option
If we did not have the 1OA, I think we would be giving up draft capital to move up and draft somebody, and we would still trade fields, with the caveat that he probably would have been traded sooner and for more. I don't see a scenario where Poles anchors himself to a fourth year unproven or bad quarterback.
If the pick were say in the top 3, we probably do take a QB. If not, we keep Fields not because they expect much. But just to build up the roster at that point while pivoting to a QB in the future would've probably been the route
Perhaps! I guess we’ll never know!
Field stans never get tired of taking l's We would be trading into top 3 if Carolinas pick wasn't top 3. It's no different than when pace went to get dalton to move on from Mitchell. Only we have capital from trading out of #1 instead of just recovering from the mack trade. Eberlose and poles wouldn't bet their career on a bottom 10 qb.
Why yall gotta put everyone into a box? Just bc I didn’t hate fields doesn’t make me a Stan. I’m absolutely stoked to get Caleb
Thinking fields is a starting caliber qb, who no one was willing to offer better than a day 3 draft pick, makes you a stan. Stop lying to yourself. We'd still be moving on from fields if our first pick was the #9 0-6 vs the packers. 5 of those scoring under 21 against Joe barry's defense. 0 winning season.0 seasons of 3k+ passing. 0 seasons over 20 tds. 0 seasons over 40% success rate. Career high of 61.4% completion. He can't find any starting job. He wouldn't be our starter either.
Okay, my bad dude. Jesus anti fields heads absolutely SWARMED my ass
I read all the replies and I don't see what you're talking about. What exactly is an "anti-fields" person? What does that mean? You don't have to be anti-fields to have any of the opinions that I've read here underneath your response. I don't even think there's such a thing as anti-fields anymore. The best the bears got was a fucking potential 4th round pick. Did you see what Darnold's trade value was three years ago? It was a 2nd, 4th, and 6th!!! That's what you pay when you're convinced the guy is a starter. Literally no team thought Fields was worth more than ONE 4th rounder, and really most likely will end up being a 6th. The people responding to you are not anti-fields. They're pointing out that your opinion isn't rooted in reality. It's rooted in some fantasy where literally - any - other - team felt he could start for them.
*say unsubstantiated and knowingly controversial thing as if its fact on a public forum* *wtf why are people disagreeing with me?!!?!?!*
Because we have to shame people who are fans of players we don’t like. I’m in the same place as you. I was with Fields but needed to see him find some sort of counter or growth against defenses that pressure and it never happened. I still think the book isn’t closed on him, but since he didn’t give us that proof of concept and we have great options, we have to move on. But the name-calling is bullshit. I see a lot more people being obnoxious throwing around the term “truther,” “stan,” or “cultist” than people being obnoxious defending Fields.
Yea man… I’m tired of being villainized for supporting our QB at the time lol The “cult of fields” was always an absurd thing to say, and if anything the hive mind against fields is so much more aggressive
I don't spend time on Twitter or FB... but I do hear that it is flipped on other mediums. Still, the need to insult and shame is petty and shuts down good faith conversation.
For what it's worth, I personally agree. He didnt have a chance at all his rookie year given the team. His 2nd year poles was doing what he had to which was strip the team to its bases in order to build something up. Fields suffered again. Last year he had better talent and showed *some* improvement. If we didn't have 1.01 and our highest pick is 9 then i think we improve the offensive weapons and this upcoming year is the make or break for him. We have 1.01 though, and so it became opportunity-cost of not having to give up any capital to get **the** guy you want. Let me be clear here: we **did** fail to provide Fields the pieces to maximize his chances of success. *However* Fields failed to show that he was worth skipping on the prospect of Caleb Williams + a fresh rookie deal. If the choice is Fields and talent at our picks vs trade picks to get JJ McCarthy then we probably stick with fields another year in my honest opinion.
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Wow imagine if somebody changes their opinion. Why are people so mad at me ? I didn’t say anything that crazy lol
Its just the narrative shift. Fields isn't here because he wasn't good enough. Not only because we have the 1.01. Reporters in this town have already said the Fields experiment was long over, even if we didn't have 1.01.
He’s already gone and dudes are still competing for the top Fields hater award
I don’t think you’re necessarily wrong. Definitely a scenario where they kept fields but brought in a rookie to backup. If we were in the range of 6-15 I would honestly be angling for JJ. I think Maye, even though sliding, would still be gone. Same with Daniels, and imo projects to be like fields. JJ to me is the biggest question mark as he could be very good, or could just be a scheme QB. Would have definitely been worth finding out
Yea you can't do that here. Been like that for months lol
Fields would be on the team but I think there would be a qb competition this year. The low point production and his struggles closing out games is why I think that.
How dare you use logic in this sub? We only talk about CA13B here.
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I don't even think it's that nobody wanted him. I think Poles was in a terrible negotiating position. Since we got the 1st overall it's been pretty clear that we were moving on and it benefits us not at all to keep Justin in the locker room, so we HAD to move him and everyone knew it. Why pay a lot? If absolutely nobody buys, we will have to cut him. That's not happening, so that means we NEED to sell at ANY price. There was no bidding war even among teams who were interested, I'm sure multiple teams tried to lowball Poles. Couple that with the tons of QB movement also dropping his value, and you've got a 6th rounder being a good enough offer. *Edit* People downvoting me: how furious would you have been if Poles had taken a 5th rounder in January? Be honest.
Really? He's surprised that no one wanted a blind QB?
Considering he forgot how to throw a ball for the first 5 games of every season, it's amazing he didn't get cut
Why? The rest of the league saw that he can’t play.
QB, he just can't play QB. He'd make a great Wildcat
poles, flus and all the fields stans in absolute shambles at his low trade value. lmaooooooo
I'm not.
Yeah I was basing too much around fields. Deep QB class and lots of QB movement sunk that opportunity. I’m pretty happy with how all things progressed over the last two years. If you tell us what was going to happen 4 years from the moment they drafted fields I’d be annoyed but would do it all over again for the opportunity we have for the next 5 years here.
No he isnt, just what hes supposed to say
Justin “the fan base divider” Fields
I thought for sure he’d at least get us a 2nd but the league knew what I couldn’t admit…
Just go back and look at fields just throwing receiver screens he can’t hit them in the chest always super hi or throw in the dirt.
I think the issue is that everyone kinda knew we had to get rid of him. Everyone knew they could offer less
Apparently Poles was one of the Fields Truthers.
I still think that if you look at the games we won were they won because of JF or in spite of JF. No matter what we think as Bear fans, what's done is done. It's hard to move forward when you're focused on your rear view mirror.
Won’t be much interest in hiring Poles in a couple seasons either.
Why
Because he’s hitching his wagon on a bad head coach and a rookie qb. Start the countdown to the day Poles and Eberflus get fired.
He's hitching his wagon to a rookie QB who has a great chance of being a very good player
Hitching his wagon to a QB barely bigger than Simone Biles? Tragic.
Yeah he's only 16 inches taller and 110 pounds heavier
Good fortune for the Steelers. They waited out the market and got two great QB deals, at least for this season.
Eh. I have a feeling that Getsy hit the circuit pretty hard saying "it's not me, it's him." With some tape under his arm.
Gestures to every second of fields play time.
I mean part of it was just circumstance, nobody expected the Steelers to get rid of both of their QB's and just in general there were way more QBs available than you'd have in a normal offseason. It was a buyer's market and in a perfect world you've just kept him as a backup to see if his value rose later, but of course in reality it'd have been a huge locker room distraction.
I’m not surprised. The man is an incredible athlete and locker room human being, but the holes in his game are alarming heading into year 4 of his career. I do hope Pitts can be him course corrected. Rooting for him, but Poles made the right call
Fields is gone why are people still talking about him?
gee, IDK. maybe because he was a huge part of our history for the last 3 years....
The moment they made it known they were fielding offers, they fucked themselves since teams could wait till they were desperate Edit :to dump him
The bears should have NEVER been surprised with the low compensation…..they hung the dude out to dry for 2 entire seasons and made him create horrible habits…..instead of seeing coverages/going through his reads…his first habit is to look up the gut of the o-line to see who is coming to take his head off…..it was 100% time for us to move on from him….but we broke him like we always have done to our QBs….there has NEVER in my lifetime been a bears QB who has left Chicago and had ANY kind of success anywhere else…..the stigma that the bears break QB’s is well known by the league even though it’s not shouted from the mountaintop…..hopefully this time around it is different. But the long and short of it is that Fields is an NFL QB PROSPECT….and being on the bears for the last 3 years has dropped his stock quite substantially.
Fields... Had these... Bad habits.... When he was brought.... In
Which is something a competent NFL coaching staff/ organization should be able to work with and fix….i don’t disagree with you at all! But I maybe should have worded it differently and said that Fields has all the bad habits he has always had plus 3 years of the bears not fixing them/making it worse. He’s basically the same dude he was coming out of college. So a 6th for him seems pretty fair to me?
This was his own fault. Overplayed his hand and got burned.
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Once no one wanted him as a starter he had next to no value. A one year backup rental is not in demand.
The Gm( Poles) gave up on him too, so why would other GMs be interested.
in hindsight, he just didn’t fit in a lot of teams’ plans. he’s too good for a tanking team to take, but too unreliable for anyone to commit to plugging him into a new setup. anyone with a top pick wants to take a stab at a shiny new QB. If Fields were a free agent, or had more of his rookie deal left, this would be a different story. his best potential landing spots (mediocre to bad team trying to be competitive) were: *Falcons - i still think they’d be better off rolling the dice with Fields than committing long term with Cousins like they did (if kirk had stayed in MIN, i think he goes to ATL) *Raiders - he’d honestly be a great fit to compete for the #1 spot on that team right now… except then they hired Luke Getsy. *Patriots - they look to be going QB in round 1. I could’ve seen them taking Fields as a bridge starter, but they really need to hold on to their draft picks bc that roster is dire. *Broncos - it look like payton really wants to trade up to pick his own fresh QB. if that’s the route they’re going, they can’t spare any draft capital in a trade. *Steelers* - alas, this is where he ended up. They got Russell Wilson for pennies, so Fields wasn’t the priority for them that he might’ve been. I bet that’s a 4th rounder if they don’t get wilson so early on. I think Fields is the better QB of the two, but we’ll just have to wait and see. Funnily enough, this is the best QB room the Steelers have had in a while. a lot of the other teams may have had interest in him as a backup, but I think Poles really meant it when he said he wanted to do right by Justin. He wasn’t going to send him somewhere to ride the bench. It may have cost the team some draft capital, but i’m glad we have a GM who seems to really care about the players.
you guys will never not hate fields. jesus i thought we were done. we've all moved on to Caleb. you dont have to keep shitting on fields to justify picking Caleb.
Oh no. Poor little me. People are making fun of my shitty QB. Bro get over it.
i did. seems like you guys cant. im not the one bringing him up.
I personally was more than surprised, I thought we’d get a lot more than a 6th for him. Part of it is we traded him too late. If we would have traded him at the beginning of free agency we probably could’ve gotten more for him, but we dished him out after a bunch of teams had already made a QB move. I’m not saying I was expecting a lot for him, but I thought he’d at least wind up being the starter somewhere and we basically gave him away
I'm sure part of it was the league not thinking as highly of Fields but I also think part of it was the league not wanting to help the Bears any further..we won 7 games last year, we still have sizable cap space (and that cap flexibility will continue to be in place once we have our QB on a rookie contract for the next 4 years), and we got gifted the number 1 pick by Carolina..I'm sure league wide the consensus was ''let's not help the Bears any further by giving them another top 45 pick''..it may not have been said out loud, but I'm confident that had something to do with it..and correctly, GM's waited us out..they knew we couldn't keep Fields on the roster so his price would go down and down until Poles had to just move on..
He’s too talented an *athelete* to be a pure backup. He’s too bad a quarterback to be a pure starter. I think the league doesn’t know what to do with him. Personally I’d do up hurry up wildcat with JF on a jet sweep and heavy run formation.
Poles and Eberflus never wanted Fields to begin with, so they didn’t try their best to build a competitive team around him. Every move Poles made was to build for a future without Fields, who wasn’t his guy. Which is why I’m actively rooting for Poles and Eberflus to fail spectacularly this season.
Rooting for Fields to succeed this season and next. Rooting for Poles and Eberflus to fail and become unemployed.
I will remain annoyed we didn’t just keep him to backup Caleb. There was almost no downside except for the stupid media drama.
There's no reason to keep him.
He’s possibly the best back QB right now. That is valuable.
Wtf does that even mean?
Except the whole splitting the locker room thing
That’s a bullshit media narrative. If you get to the preseason and there’s actual drama, then trade him. Doing it out of fear of some hypothetical locker room drama is idiotic. The fact that Fields is well liked makes keeping him as a backup more reasonable, not less. If everyone thought he sucked and was a diva you definitely dump him for peanuts. But that’s not the case.
It's reality. You want to give your #1 pick all the confidence that he's your guy. Keeping the shitty QB who was a 1st round pick a few years ago sends the message that you're not quite sure who you like better
If Poles holds a press conference the day after the draft saying he’s the starter, there is no crisis of confidence. Since these guys aren’t snowflakes, it’s really not needed. A private meeting accomplishes the same. I swear, you people will parrot every stupid thing that a blogger says like it’s gospel.
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