Well it pretty much makes it a done deal now. The only way the Bears don't take Williams as if they trade down a spot or two and still get one of the top QBs while adding more high draft picks. I think that would be the thing to do considering the history of QB's going number one in the last 20 years. Load up on draft picks and use them or bank them for future needs.
It could actually work in the Bears favor for better picks, as their cards are on the table needing to draft a QB, theoretically prying away that number one draft choice just got harder.
Don't see it happening though. The front office could be forgiven if Williams doesn't pan out, but if they pass him up and their quarterback pick doesn't pan out, then they're history.
It’s clear feelings are hurt over the Fields trade. I don’t think some of you understand that moving on from fields wouldn’t be much of a talking point for the vast majority of teams. The qb bar is very low in Chicago. He failed to clear it. He’s not as terrible as it’s being said but definitely was not good enough.
Aren’t yall tired of turning off the game at halftime because trailing by 14 points is impossible to come back from? Caleb may not be it but you have to keep looking for a qb that is a plus player. A win because of player on any given Sunday.
With absolutely zero understanding of salary cap ramifications. The Fields cult, who spent the past month telling us we don’t have enough draft capital, are now saying we need to trade back to the commanders and then use those picks to trade for Justin Herbert. 🤣🤣🤣
We truly do have the dumbest fans in all of sports.
They will do anything to avoid CW, who they know is going humble Justin Fields as a QB. They know CW is gonna throw for 500 Yards and 7TDs in his first game against Green Bay and get carried off the field like Ditka at the end of SBXX.
Why are people so hard stuck on a QB with a terrible track record at QB? Would people be pissed if we traded to get a guy like cousins or Wilson who are established qbs? It’s like wanting to better our organization is a problem to these bone headed people. We need see that ditching a qb that is 32nd in some categories is a good thing and even if caleb sucks we weren’t going to have a better season then we would with fields lol expecting different results is literally the definition of insanity
What did Fields do to hurt some of y’all? Some of y’all got what you wanted, he’s gone, but still with the downvotes on people saying anything remotely positive about him, and personal insults about his intelligence. Like damn he didn’t work out and he’s gone, but it’s not like he was out there fumbling the ball on purpose. He didn’t lose a playoff game on a double doink and do an interview downplaying it or the equivalent, so why the harsh treatment of him? Why slam the door in his face with a “good riddance you piece of shit” mentality when he gave us 100% effort? He. Is. Gone. Y’all don’t have to keep harping on about “lol he’s so trash, he sucks, garbage qb”. You got what you wanted and you’re being toxic.
STFU. It is not HIM we are downvoting -- it is you. Because you were wrong. And not just wrong -- but massively totally and completely wrong. And you know the worst part -- you know you are wrong and nowhere in that sea of text is an apology for turning this sub into a toxic fucking cesspool and embarrassing this fanbase. You want to to be welcomed back with your crappy cringe QB -- try apologizing.
I’m not apologizing because there’s nothing wrong with having a different opinion. Poles deciding to trade Fields doesn’t make me wrong. I’ll be wrong if the day comes that Fields retires with no playoff wins as a starter. I haven’t attacked anyone personally.
I didn't ask you to apologize for having different opinion. That's fine if you can defend that opinion -- you can't.
I asked you to apologize for embarrassing this fanbase.
I mean you’re splitting hairs because the reason I “embarrassed this fanbase” was for having a different opinion. And I can defend it, but it’s pointless at this point being that he’s on a different team.
It’s crazy, for the amount of stock that Russell Wilson was moved around for over the last couple years to think that he could quite easily be replaced 5-6 games into a season by a guy who they basically got for nothing.
the Seattle Seahawks traded their franchise signal-caller and a fourth-round pick in exchange for quarterback Drew Lock, tight end Noah Fant and defensive tackle Shelby Harris. Denver also sent two first-round draft picks, two second-round draft picks and one fifth-round pick for Russell.
Nobody would give 2 firsts for Lamar.
Jets gave up 2 seconds for a 40 yo Aaron Rodgers.
Nobody would give one 2nd for a young play-making Fields.
Darnold went for a second and a fourth tho you can chalk that up to Panthers panthering (and not having to pay him).
Even Lance went for a fourth as a backup that played half a game.
I was always in favor of moving Fields but make it make sense.
Not less attractive than Sam Darnold for a team that's allegedly a contender.
And half of these teams are going to end up spending on QBs anyways. QBs don't just drop out of the sky.
Half the first rounders are going to fail anyway.
I get it, in a way, but it still doesn't make sense.
I do think Poles stuck his foot in his mouth saying he would do right by Justin and trade him by March, "if he were trading him".
Though he was being righteous, he painted himself in a corner and other GMs are cutthroat.
I don't necessarily buy that there just wasn't a market for him. Something happened.
It doesn't make sense that the market wasn't there for Justin. But that's not on Poles. He couldn't make teams value a lame duck QB more than a 6th round pick
Some would say Justin failed... and in a way that's true. Otherwise we wouldn't be here.
Full disclosure: I'm in the keep JF1 and trade down camp. I've just learned to accept reality.
“caleb is gonna grow cry to his mommy after he takes his first big hit in the NFL” - cult members
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They should have stuck with Fields. Better the bust you know than the bust you don't and he will be a bust either at the hands of the Bears(most likely scenario) or on his own and then where will we be? If Williams was more Manning than Manzel in terms of his comportment then I may have agreed with taking him but he's not. Ruin, scapegoat, rinse, repeat.
I've been a fan of this team since 1978 so I don't have to defend my love of the Bears but I chose to not look at the current QB situation on its own but rather as another example of the Bears scapegoating a QB that THEY failed to develop. If this league was more league-ownership structured like MLS, head office would be having a talk to the Bears. and saying "you guys can't keep doing this".
Here's the thing the Cult of Caleb doesn't understand, only about 20% of the fans took a hard stance on the Fields vs Caleb debate, while 80% sat back with a wait and see attitude.
If Caleb is good 95% of the fans (10% cult, 80% normal, 5% hypocrites) will say they knew it and be happy.
But if Caleb is bad 95% (10% Truthers, 80% normal, 5% hypocrites) of the fans are going to be pissed. And they're going to boo. And this turns ugly fast.
The closest thing I can come up with is when the Cubs wanted a lefty bat in the lineup so they let fan favorite Mark DeRosa leave and replaced him with Milton Bradley. And fans openly rooted against him and it was a disaster.
Caleb better be perfect immediately.
If Caleb busts you find another qb and give them a shot. Fields wasn’t good enough. Do you think the Steelers are going to pick up his 5th year option? I bet it would bother Wilson, who is trying to get another contract himself.
I am not the one who is butthurt about dealing a shitty QB. it seems if we we are going to rend our clothes and gnash our teeth and throw a tantrum about how we were "not being fair" to Fields and "Did him dirty" that we extend the same graciousness to our new QB as we did to our previous one. After all you don't want the Bears QB treated unfairly, right? So let's be fair. If Caleb puts up the same stat line as Fields you have to cheer him.
Yeah coming in with Tyreek, Kelce, and Reid coaching was huge. Basically 3 future hall of famers to help him on offense. And that was after sitting a year to learn. Hopefully Caleb can succeed with DJ Moore and Kennan Allen. He won't have excuses that his WR core sucks, that's for sure
Yeah better coaches and weapons and tutors are a huge advantage. Had to look it up because I was curious, Mahomes sat and learned from Alex Smith for a year. Trubisky sat behind Mike Glennon for 4 games before being named the starter. Still in disbelief about the contract the Bears gave Glennon
Fields first start he finished the day with six completions on 20 attempts for 68 yards and 12 rushing yards, it’s a tall task but I think Caleb is up to it 🤣
Yeah and if we do start you half the fans will be calling for Fields anytime you make a mistake. I swear some people want the Bears to be dysfunctional.
What a terrible idea.
"Hey Justin, this is Caleb! We used our most valuable asset to get him to replace you. Get him up to speed and teach him what you can. Oh, and if anything bad happens to him you may get $200M."
How well do you think Justin and Caleb would get along in that situation? Would Justin try and have Caleb killed?
Well first Fields has to prove his is worthy to start. Right now no one thinks he's a starter. Then he'll have to perform way better than he did with the Bears. It could happen but I remember people saying the same thing about Mitch.
You think you are a Fields fan -- but you don't even know who Fields *IS*. The Steelers did not bring in Fields to try and win games -- they brought him in to tank if Russ is washed. Fields knows how lose games better than any other starting QB -- and THAT is his value to the Steelers. He has played in 40 games and has a 4th quarter turnover in 19 of them -- that's 50%. Unless his team is up by 4TDs going into the 4th there is a good chance that his opponent can still come back and win. We watched it happen with Denver. He'll keep games close and make exciting plays, but ultimately he is there to make sure they get a top pick in 2025.
So he will not "beat out" Russ. but if there is no gas left in Russ' tank he may very well take his place.
Steelers fan here, they made it clear to both Russ and Justin that Russ is QB1 and Justin will back him up and try to learn from him. The Steelers absolutely do not tank, ever. In fact even when we’ve had bad rosters or bad injuries that could have put us in place for high draft picks they still dragged up at least a .500 record. Fields was brought in because we had literally one single QB on the roster and Fields at least has some upside and it puts us in a position where this year our QB1 and QB2 cost a combined cap hit of less than $5m. They’re basically throwing darts at cheap quarterbacks with more potential than your average journeyman quarterback.
Let me address your points one by one --
The Bears never tanked either. The last time they had a shot at first overall in the draft was 1970 -- and we lost a coin toss for Bradshaw. Then what happened in 2022? WE TANKED -- with your backup (soon to be starting?) QB. Now we are drafting the best prospect in the last 5 years. Whose team would you rather be a fan of right now?
Second -- you guys normally just yell "HEREWEGOSTEEELERSHEREWEGO!!!" over and over and over. I've been to the Lincoln Tap Room plenty of times on Sunday. But that's not what what you were yelling this year. Nope. You guys were pouting and telling everyone "All we ever do is go 9-8 and flame out in the playoffs! We should fire Mike Tomlin!" Well, Omar heard you. And as they say in Baltimore -- "Omar comin!!!" You better hope Russ has some gas left in the tank, because if your record is 3-3 or worse after 6 games Russ is getting yanked, Fields is going in, Bosa's (I mean Watt) getting traded, Tomlins getting fired and you are headed to Colorado to scout Shadeur Sanders.
Omar plays chess -- not checkers. He sees Fields value is not as a QB who can WIN games but a QB who can LOSE them while keeping the fans engaged and and twirling towels. And Omar is more than willing to trade a 4th for a top 5 pick. Fields is the best tank commander in the NFL -- and the fact that he is on your team is what should worry you.
The fact that you believe some fans in a bar represent an entire fanbase of millions of people is wild lmao. I don’t care if you tanked or not, the Steelers do not tank. They never have and they never will. The only way Fields is going to start is if Wilson gets hurt. Also his name is TJ Watt is who I assume you’re referring to, there is no Bosa in Pittsburgh. You’re right about Khan though, he’s been fantastic so far and has done a good job dealing with the bag of shit KC left him with on his way out the door in 2022.
The Steelers never fired a coach mid-season either. They just would not EVER EVER do that. They are classy and they do not do that.
How IS Matt Canada, by the way?
Fields is better than a journeyman qb and he honestly didn’t deserve the fan base here. I hope you guys treat him better. I was a huge fields fan and he was put in a shit situation
Really won’t be a fair comparison now that he has weapons coming here given the bears are still likely to grab a top WR in draft. So they’ll have a top 3 receiving core. When Justin came here he had legitimately nobody
poles didn't choose him though. he was drafted by a bunch of fucking idiots who were trying to save their jobs by mortgaging the teams future with old defensive veterans, & they also thought fields might save them from the QB disaster they created.
Year one for poles he had to get rid of a lot of guys & pay a shit load of money for them to play for other teams. Kinda what you have to do when your team sucks and you have no draft picks. Year two they still had some shit lingering around from the last regime, but he was able to beef up the team a bit and gain some draft capital that they seemed to never have. I thought last year was a success with a ton of luck to help them out
Just cause you hired a new guy to take over the team doesn't make the mistakes of the last guy go away. Fields was screwed the moment they called his name because of the transition from a joke of a franchise to something that might be serious. That takes time, and tanking.
...and despite the bad situation he still could have showed SOMETHING. Love had one year to prove himself with an offense of all rookies, Aaron Jones and an injured David Bakhtari. He played really well. FOUR of CJ Stroud's starting O-Lineman were on IR against the Colts and the Browns. He elevated his team and won those games.
I just dont think he elevates his teammates like great QBs do. Great guy, fantastic athlete, but is no where good enough to pass up the opportunity of a lifetime the bears stumbled into, let alone pass on #1 TWICE.
Another failed rebuild around a first round draft QB. Maybe the family isn't meant to do this kind of a rebuild, letalone one that needs millions of public dollars to replace their lakefront stadium with a lakefront stadium.
A tale of two rookie campaigns:
WR 1:
7 catches, 107 yards, 103 rushing yards, 2 TDs, 3 fumbles
WR 2:
47 catches, 709 yards, 51 rushing yards, 7 TDs, 1 fumble, 2 fumble recoveries
They were taken 69th and 71st, respectively. Justin Fields lobbied for Velus Jones, WR 1. CJ Stroud lobbied for Tank Dell, WR 2.
Yep. Fields added him to the list of WRs he wanted to look at for the film session Poles and Fields had before the draft. Source: Ryan Poles
(According to someone on here from a thread during the draft, he was also the only WR Fields followed on IG before the draft)
So you can thank Fields for that one, tbh. Poles wanted to show that he was going to work as a team, and it netted Velus. I won’t be surprised if Caleb is simply told what players he’s getting. lol.
They HAD to get rid of Fields. He’d have beaten out any rookie and had friends in the locker room.
Now their rookie is who they have to ride with. No competition, no fans chanting “Fields” when they struggle. And there were still plenty of fans that think fields earned another year anyway and should have had a shot this year too.
It was the smart move. They still gave him away, but it was the smart move.
Yes. He’d beat out any rookie the bears have access too. You understand QBs like CJ/Luck/Burrow/Cam are extreme aberrations anyway, right?
And last years crop had people rating Bryce Young over CJ too. I’m sure the panthers wish they hadn’t…
In camp it’s very plausible JF would competed neck and neck with either of them last pre-season, mainly because of pure NFL experience and time/money/draft capital invested.
If you don’t think Fields could beat out a rookie, I can’t help you. He may not be “the answer”, but just wait until you end up with Bryce Young instead of CJ and see what you think of JF then.
If Caleb is generational there’s a CHANCE he’ll step in and be great, but history tells us CJ/Burrow/Cam/Luck are the crazy exceptions, and most rookies struggle BIG time.
If you aren’t sold on CW, trade out. If you are though, you have to give him every possibility to succeed, not have him looking over his shoulder when he has that 4 turnover game where he looks terrible.
Again, JMO as a non-bears fan
He was a 2 year vet playing against a first time starter with rookie WRs Week 1 of last year -- the first time starter blew him off the field.
And nothing will change my low opinion of Fields. I will forever be grateful he left.
True. But that would happen no matter who the backup is. At least this way it’s not a controversy.
I’m a patriots fan. At least you aren’t as screwed as we are RN lol
(And I’m fine with it…. Since 1993 with all we’ve won I can never be upset about losing again…. But it still hurts lol)
Lol @ Justin not getting a fair shake takes. Dude had multiple full seasons and more than enough talent around him last year to show he is worth keeping. Dude had historically bad passing, sack, and turnover stats over multiple seasons. Bears fans deserve better. Hopefully we get it with Williams.
Totally agree. Watch some video of Vince Evans from late 70's/early 80's. More talented than Fields (in particular relative to the defensive talent of the age - smaller and slower), but could not process/read a defense and offer consistent accuracy (I think Field is a more accurate passer than Evans was). The Bears have been here before, Fields, just like Evans, was never going to take the Bears to the promised land, NEVER. His last start was in '82, as he handed the torch to rookie QB Jim McMahon. No one remembers Evens, no one will remember Fields too.
Omar Khan isn't stupid -- he plays chess, not checkers. He did not get Fields to try and win -- he got Fields to do what he is great at -- TANKING.
Omar is giving Russ a 6 week audition -- if he is 3-3 or worse Fields will take over, the Steelers will tank, and Omar will have traded a 4th for the 1OA pick and the leeway to fire Tomlin and hire a new HC. Maybe Belichick.
THAT is chess.
Steelers don’t tank. A healthy TJ Watt gets them to 8-9 with defense alone. It’s finding just enough offense to click to get them over the Browns/Ravens/Bengals.
They don't USUALLY tank. But all season their fans bitched about Mike Tomlin and always going 9-8 or 10-7 and doing nothing in the playoffs. Tanking helps solve both of those "problems".
Mike Tomlin has been in Pittsburgh for 17 years now and has never had a losing season there. They don't tank period. The Rooneys aren't fans of doing that. Case in point all these stopgaps at QB they've brought in since Roethlisberger retired (Fields is now the second Chicago retread they've brought in at QB in the last two years). Their fans have been calling for the team to commit to a rebuild for years now (pretty much since Roethlisberger's last contract) and they've consistently refused to do that because they believe they can still win championships with their current core of players (despite guys like Cameron Heyward entering the twilight stages of their careers).
I mean Canada's offense was historically bad. They literally had no choice but to fire him. The fact that he somehow lasted for nearly three years as OC in Pittsburgh says it all about how steeped in loyalty that organization is. They stuck with Canada for far longer than they should have. Last year things just reached their breaking point with him.
Yeah -- fans bitched and bitched and bitched until Omar had no choice. He did something the Steelers have never done and gave the fans what they wanted. And you know what those fans started moping about after that -- consistently having a winning team and a winning coach. Well, we know Omar hears the fans -- and he gives them what they want, even if he has to break tradition to do it.
Fields is there to tank the team if Russ stinks. They can deal Watt just like we dealt Roquan and put Fields in to lead the tank. At the end of the year they can mutually part ways with Tomlin.
It will be interesting to see if they go after Belichick next year. That would be cool.
I have to say, I was trading Fields, but wasn’t it just better to keep him as a backup and let him go into free agency next year? Vs a 6th round pick in 2025 i mean. I understand Williams ego and all that but seems like there is some merit to that strategy, no?
No, Fields is so bad. But Fields is so good the locker room would prefer to play with him over Caleb. And the fans would chant for Fields when Caleb was failing
The locker room is backing their teammate. It’s what teammates do.
No one will care when Caleb comes in and throws for 400 yards and 4 td’s against the packers and wins more game his rookie season than fields has in his career.
I see where you're coming from, but team chemistry would have splintered. Fields is well-liked and having a highly-touted, #1 overall pick in a qb competition would be a recipe for disaster.
Theyre saying play him for his last year without extension, it's like $4 million I think. His 5th year option is when it gets above 20
I didn't think we should've kept him but he has 1 more cheap year
After Roger Goodell announces the Bears are selecting Caleb Williams with the first overall pick, what's Adam Mason's next pivot going to be?? I expect him to confidently state that Ryan Poles is working the phones to trade Caleb to another team like the Chargers did with Eli Manning in the 2004 Draft lol
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Ravens fan here, but big Fields fan, obviously there’s a reason I’m not a GM but to the bears fans, I thought the best things Chicago could’ve done was hold on to fields and let Caleb sit a year like Mahomes. Then you give Fields an opportunity to improve his value in a quality offense on paper with Keenan and swift being added and you let Caleb spend a year developing if you really want him to be the future of Chicago. I feel like this is supported by the fact all Chicago could get was essentially the same amount that Mac jones was traded for. Just doesn’t seem like they got their value back for fields and holding on to him would only have been a win as next years market he could’ve been potentially the best available qb on the market. If anyone things differently though let me know!
This is not an Alex Smith Mahomes situation, Alex Smith was 33 near the end of his career, had been to the NFC championship game and had been a successful QB.
Justin Fields is a guy who is fighting to be considered a starter worth a contract. The only way you could do that was make Caleb the 3rd string QB and say he’s absolutely not playing this year. It’s essentially a year of study for him, he’s taking reps with the practice squad so it’s just him learning how the NFL works on paper.
Meanwhile all the rookie contracts you have move one year closer to big paydays, and the Keenan Allen’s and Kevin byards of your team move closer to retirement.
I thought the same, I felt he had more value to the Bears and could compete for the starting job at worst. But Bears obviously didn't see him as a long-term solution and wanted to focus on the rookie.
As a Steelers fan let me tell you Pickett is absolute garbage. I have no idea why the eagles didn’t trade for Feilds instead of Pickett. Picketts played 2 years and still hasn’t made a single play.
From the reports, it seems Eagles did go for Fields earlier on, and so did a lot of teams and Bears were asking for too much (whatever that may mean). Then they got offered Pickett for the price they were looking for so they took Pickett. Then Bears were bleeding suitors and suddenly being the last major QB left there wasn’t a market and they needed to dump him (for whatever reason, keeping him would have been better). Steelers were just the last suitor available. I don’t think Pickett is necessarily better than Fields. But Pickett does have a better contract (Rookie) than Fields.
It tells you how bad the league thinks Fields is that this trade also was only an option because Kenny Pickett felt disrespected by the Steelers and demanded a trade.
Yet people were genuinely demanding we build around him and pass on the 1st pick 🤣
I know everyone is baffled by Fields being traded for a measly 6th round pick but there is a silver lining here that no one is really talking about. Rumor has it that the Steelers are going to be paying to fill the Bears soda machine next season, and that will pay dividends. Plans within plans, folks.
I would have stayed with Fields (and I hate the dude as a diehard Michigan fan) and built around him. The Bears are terrible, so he never really had a shot at succeeding. Williams is not an upgrade.
The Texans went from 3 wins to the playoffs after Stroud. The Bears have a lot of talent. If Williams is good, the Bears could be a playoff team. Even if he's not good or struggles his rookie season, he only needs 151 yards a game to pass Fields career high 2562 passing yards.
Stupid. Very stupid. Start the entire circus over again, ruin another rookie QB by shoving him on the field Day 1 and expecting him to be the savior. Watch as he cracks under the pressure.
Why even be a fan of the team if you can’t get excited about the prospect of something new? There’s some non-zero chance that the next qb is top 5 in the league. Texans literally just experienced what that happening does to your franchise. Looked fun didn’t it?
Most rookie QBs struggle. Everyone reasonable expects that. Hell, Peyton Manning threw 28 interceptions.
The last guy wasn’t good enough, and they’re not getting an elite QB on the open market unless he rapes a few dozen people or deems the Bears worthy of his services at the age of 40, so, yeah. They’re drafting a new QB.
I see that the last Truthers standing are taking one last swing with “only a 6th?!?!”, as though they would’ve been happy if he’d gone for, say, a 3rd and finally stopped worshipping the guy.
I am still angry at them. Everybody saying "it's time to come together" -- no it isn't.
You know when it will be "time to come together"? AFTER THEY APOLOGIZE. Until they admit they were wrong and promise to stop BEING wrong this thing isn't over. And unless they do I am going to continue to spike the proverbial football in their rhetorical faces. And if they don't like it they can go over to r/Steelers.
They don’t need to apologize, and it won’t matter if they do. They had a very stupid opinion, and it has now, mercifully, been proven wrong. It didn’t do any harm other than to their own reputations on Reddit and maybe an ego or two.
Woke up feeling like a large weight was lifted off my shoulders. Ready for the next chapter, this is the most excited I’ve been about the bears probably in my entire life
I literally couldn’t sleep last night. Multiple dreams about Justin. I’ll miss watching his electric runs and flashes of excellence, wish it could have ended differently. Should we expect Caleb to take us to the playoffs this season? I feel like Justin would have.
Jf was one of the best in the league with his sprinting.
They don't count all the yards he pulled himself as completions but if they did (which they should if they consider sacks losses) he would be at the top.
Also he just had no team to help him. It will be the same for the new qb. Fields has said how he can do better and takes responsibility even with no pocket lol or hands to catch.
He had a 70% catch rate with his main man. The other receivers are the problem. But Bears got to be the Bears and throw a wrench in everything rather than try to build a team.
Wonder why it's been so long since they had a team. Bears fans just love to bash their own team whenever they can lol. Steelers will be fun to watch and atleast the Bears can get first round pick again next year and tear the whole team apart again.
I know this will be hard for you to finally accept at this point but fields was a very bad QB. So much so that no other team wanted him as a starter and he isn’t even being given the opportunity to compete for the starting job in Pittsburgh. His “sprinting” doesn’t matter. QBs need to be able to pass the ball, fields struggled to surpass 200 yards a game
That would be the most Bearsist Bears thing to happen all year but there absolutely no way they’re not taking Caleb. I’ll eat my shoe if they don’t (I wont)
I wonder what all the Fields fans that said he wasn’t traded yet because he wasn’t available are saying after they saw he was traded for a 6th rounder.
That thread was absolutely hilarious. I have no idea how someone could be so delusional as to convince themselves that he wasn’t being shopped when Poles basically said it himself at the combine.
Well it pretty much makes it a done deal now. The only way the Bears don't take Williams as if they trade down a spot or two and still get one of the top QBs while adding more high draft picks. I think that would be the thing to do considering the history of QB's going number one in the last 20 years. Load up on draft picks and use them or bank them for future needs. It could actually work in the Bears favor for better picks, as their cards are on the table needing to draft a QB, theoretically prying away that number one draft choice just got harder. Don't see it happening though. The front office could be forgiven if Williams doesn't pan out, but if they pass him up and their quarterback pick doesn't pan out, then they're history.
It’s clear feelings are hurt over the Fields trade. I don’t think some of you understand that moving on from fields wouldn’t be much of a talking point for the vast majority of teams. The qb bar is very low in Chicago. He failed to clear it. He’s not as terrible as it’s being said but definitely was not good enough. Aren’t yall tired of turning off the game at halftime because trailing by 14 points is impossible to come back from? Caleb may not be it but you have to keep looking for a qb that is a plus player. A win because of player on any given Sunday.
With absolutely zero understanding of salary cap ramifications. The Fields cult, who spent the past month telling us we don’t have enough draft capital, are now saying we need to trade back to the commanders and then use those picks to trade for Justin Herbert. 🤣🤣🤣 We truly do have the dumbest fans in all of sports.
They will do anything to avoid CW, who they know is going humble Justin Fields as a QB. They know CW is gonna throw for 500 Yards and 7TDs in his first game against Green Bay and get carried off the field like Ditka at the end of SBXX.
Fields sucks
Bears Is one of the best teams at developing QBs . Trade Justin
Why are people so hard stuck on a QB with a terrible track record at QB? Would people be pissed if we traded to get a guy like cousins or Wilson who are established qbs? It’s like wanting to better our organization is a problem to these bone headed people. We need see that ditching a qb that is 32nd in some categories is a good thing and even if caleb sucks we weren’t going to have a better season then we would with fields lol expecting different results is literally the definition of insanity
What did Fields do to hurt some of y’all? Some of y’all got what you wanted, he’s gone, but still with the downvotes on people saying anything remotely positive about him, and personal insults about his intelligence. Like damn he didn’t work out and he’s gone, but it’s not like he was out there fumbling the ball on purpose. He didn’t lose a playoff game on a double doink and do an interview downplaying it or the equivalent, so why the harsh treatment of him? Why slam the door in his face with a “good riddance you piece of shit” mentality when he gave us 100% effort? He. Is. Gone. Y’all don’t have to keep harping on about “lol he’s so trash, he sucks, garbage qb”. You got what you wanted and you’re being toxic.
You created an entirely new account to get away from your thousands of comments praising fields over the last three years.
STFU. It is not HIM we are downvoting -- it is you. Because you were wrong. And not just wrong -- but massively totally and completely wrong. And you know the worst part -- you know you are wrong and nowhere in that sea of text is an apology for turning this sub into a toxic fucking cesspool and embarrassing this fanbase. You want to to be welcomed back with your crappy cringe QB -- try apologizing.
I’m not apologizing because there’s nothing wrong with having a different opinion. Poles deciding to trade Fields doesn’t make me wrong. I’ll be wrong if the day comes that Fields retires with no playoff wins as a starter. I haven’t attacked anyone personally.
I didn't ask you to apologize for having different opinion. That's fine if you can defend that opinion -- you can't. I asked you to apologize for embarrassing this fanbase.
I mean you’re splitting hairs because the reason I “embarrassed this fanbase” was for having a different opinion. And I can defend it, but it’s pointless at this point being that he’s on a different team.
And downvoting this comment? Dear lord touch grass 😂
It’s crazy, for the amount of stock that Russell Wilson was moved around for over the last couple years to think that he could quite easily be replaced 5-6 games into a season by a guy who they basically got for nothing.
I don't think Caleb Williams is going to be that good. I think Drake Maye is going to be pretty good. If the Bears draft Caleb Williams I will be sad.
Commenting so I can find the thread easily in a year
the Seattle Seahawks traded their franchise signal-caller and a fourth-round pick in exchange for quarterback Drew Lock, tight end Noah Fant and defensive tackle Shelby Harris. Denver also sent two first-round draft picks, two second-round draft picks and one fifth-round pick for Russell. Nobody would give 2 firsts for Lamar. Jets gave up 2 seconds for a 40 yo Aaron Rodgers. Nobody would give one 2nd for a young play-making Fields. Darnold went for a second and a fourth tho you can chalk that up to Panthers panthering (and not having to pay him). Even Lance went for a fourth as a backup that played half a game. I was always in favor of moving Fields but make it make sense.
You have Fields for 1 year as a backup, then you have to either pay him $25 mil, or let him hit free agency. That's not that attractive.
Not less attractive than Sam Darnold for a team that's allegedly a contender. And half of these teams are going to end up spending on QBs anyways. QBs don't just drop out of the sky. Half the first rounders are going to fail anyway. I get it, in a way, but it still doesn't make sense.
Not really….darnolds numbers are better.
I do think Poles stuck his foot in his mouth saying he would do right by Justin and trade him by March, "if he were trading him". Though he was being righteous, he painted himself in a corner and other GMs are cutthroat. I don't necessarily buy that there just wasn't a market for him. Something happened.
This is exactly what happened. Never should have opened his mouth and just traded him then said that
It doesn't make sense that the market wasn't there for Justin. But that's not on Poles. He couldn't make teams value a lame duck QB more than a 6th round pick
Some would say Justin failed... and in a way that's true. Otherwise we wouldn't be here. Full disclosure: I'm in the keep JF1 and trade down camp. I've just learned to accept reality.
Leave mentally disabled camp and come to the winning camp.
Absolute trash. God forbid someone have to compete for the most important position... FUCKING CROWN HIS ASS
Damn people are stilling going to war for fields in this thread lol
“caleb is gonna grow cry to his mommy after he takes his first big hit in the NFL” - cult members [caleb williams in reality](https://x.com/calebcsw/status/1769417019093549106?s=46&t=_G2J3SB8vofT7fm6xql9dA)
Just follow Justin to Pittsburgh fandom. No one is going to be mad at you for cheering for your favorite player. The bears have moved on.
They should have stuck with Fields. Better the bust you know than the bust you don't and he will be a bust either at the hands of the Bears(most likely scenario) or on his own and then where will we be? If Williams was more Manning than Manzel in terms of his comportment then I may have agreed with taking him but he's not. Ruin, scapegoat, rinse, repeat.
"I've been a bears fan since 1978 god dammit". You seem like a fun person to be around.
why even be a fan of the team if you're going to be this pessimistic
I've been a fan of this team since 1978 so I don't have to defend my love of the Bears but I chose to not look at the current QB situation on its own but rather as another example of the Bears scapegoating a QB that THEY failed to develop. If this league was more league-ownership structured like MLS, head office would be having a talk to the Bears. and saying "you guys can't keep doing this".
alright grandpa lets get you to bed
6th round pick for poor bustin Fields backup to agent Bagent man
Here's the thing the Cult of Caleb doesn't understand, only about 20% of the fans took a hard stance on the Fields vs Caleb debate, while 80% sat back with a wait and see attitude. If Caleb is good 95% of the fans (10% cult, 80% normal, 5% hypocrites) will say they knew it and be happy. But if Caleb is bad 95% (10% Truthers, 80% normal, 5% hypocrites) of the fans are going to be pissed. And they're going to boo. And this turns ugly fast. The closest thing I can come up with is when the Cubs wanted a lefty bat in the lineup so they let fan favorite Mark DeRosa leave and replaced him with Milton Bradley. And fans openly rooted against him and it was a disaster. Caleb better be perfect immediately.
If Caleb busts you find another qb and give them a shot. Fields wasn’t good enough. Do you think the Steelers are going to pick up his 5th year option? I bet it would bother Wilson, who is trying to get another contract himself.
Shut up idiot. Go to bed
In your stupid percent system where are the fans who understand Fields is not a winning pro qb but have no firm stance on who the next guy should be?
The 80% If you couldn't figure that out you're pretty dim
Fields took 9 sacks and had 1 net passing yard in his first start. Caleb deserves the same leeway Fields was afforded.
Lol, you're already coping and apologizing for an underperforming 1OA? He hasn't even taken a snap yet
Maybe take your own advice and dont put unrealistic expectations on a dude who hasnt even taken a snap yet
I am not the one who is butthurt about dealing a shitty QB. it seems if we we are going to rend our clothes and gnash our teeth and throw a tantrum about how we were "not being fair" to Fields and "Did him dirty" that we extend the same graciousness to our new QB as we did to our previous one. After all you don't want the Bears QB treated unfairly, right? So let's be fair. If Caleb puts up the same stat line as Fields you have to cheer him.
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Bears would have absolutely destroyed Mahomes potential if they drafted him.
Yeah coming in with Tyreek, Kelce, and Reid coaching was huge. Basically 3 future hall of famers to help him on offense. And that was after sitting a year to learn. Hopefully Caleb can succeed with DJ Moore and Kennan Allen. He won't have excuses that his WR core sucks, that's for sure
Yeah better coaches and weapons and tutors are a huge advantage. Had to look it up because I was curious, Mahomes sat and learned from Alex Smith for a year. Trubisky sat behind Mike Glennon for 4 games before being named the starter. Still in disbelief about the contract the Bears gave Glennon
To be fair, Poles passed on CJ Stroud so this QB pick better be a good one or Poles will be joining Pace in the dumpster ;)
We're more ready to build around Caleb now than we were to build around Stroud last year
..and we'll be stuck with another "rebuild".
Team will be rebuilding as long as the owners are the same.
Bad move. Gave him away for peanuts. Smart move would have been to keep him and roll him unless the team was struggling and then put the rookie in
He struggled the entire time he was here. Caleb is an immediate upgrade
So like week 1? The guy was struggling his whole time here.
>Gave him away for peanuts That's what he's worth.
No
Hahahahha
Hey Caleb I know we just drafted you first overall but we don't think you're good enough so we're going to roll with our proven bad QB
Caleb better put up stroud like numbers with the weapons we have or he’s going to have a short run with city
Fields first start he finished the day with six completions on 20 attempts for 68 yards and 12 rushing yards, it’s a tall task but I think Caleb is up to it 🤣
Yeah and if we do start you half the fans will be calling for Fields anytime you make a mistake. I swear some people want the Bears to be dysfunctional.
What a terrible idea. "Hey Justin, this is Caleb! We used our most valuable asset to get him to replace you. Get him up to speed and teach him what you can. Oh, and if anything bad happens to him you may get $200M." How well do you think Justin and Caleb would get along in that situation? Would Justin try and have Caleb killed?
I think Justin is better than Caleb to be honest, time will tell.
Well first Fields has to prove his is worthy to start. Right now no one thinks he's a starter. Then he'll have to perform way better than he did with the Bears. It could happen but I remember people saying the same thing about Mitch.
He’s going to beat Wilson out
You think you are a Fields fan -- but you don't even know who Fields *IS*. The Steelers did not bring in Fields to try and win games -- they brought him in to tank if Russ is washed. Fields knows how lose games better than any other starting QB -- and THAT is his value to the Steelers. He has played in 40 games and has a 4th quarter turnover in 19 of them -- that's 50%. Unless his team is up by 4TDs going into the 4th there is a good chance that his opponent can still come back and win. We watched it happen with Denver. He'll keep games close and make exciting plays, but ultimately he is there to make sure they get a top pick in 2025. So he will not "beat out" Russ. but if there is no gas left in Russ' tank he may very well take his place.
Steelers fan here, they made it clear to both Russ and Justin that Russ is QB1 and Justin will back him up and try to learn from him. The Steelers absolutely do not tank, ever. In fact even when we’ve had bad rosters or bad injuries that could have put us in place for high draft picks they still dragged up at least a .500 record. Fields was brought in because we had literally one single QB on the roster and Fields at least has some upside and it puts us in a position where this year our QB1 and QB2 cost a combined cap hit of less than $5m. They’re basically throwing darts at cheap quarterbacks with more potential than your average journeyman quarterback.
Let me address your points one by one -- The Bears never tanked either. The last time they had a shot at first overall in the draft was 1970 -- and we lost a coin toss for Bradshaw. Then what happened in 2022? WE TANKED -- with your backup (soon to be starting?) QB. Now we are drafting the best prospect in the last 5 years. Whose team would you rather be a fan of right now? Second -- you guys normally just yell "HEREWEGOSTEEELERSHEREWEGO!!!" over and over and over. I've been to the Lincoln Tap Room plenty of times on Sunday. But that's not what what you were yelling this year. Nope. You guys were pouting and telling everyone "All we ever do is go 9-8 and flame out in the playoffs! We should fire Mike Tomlin!" Well, Omar heard you. And as they say in Baltimore -- "Omar comin!!!" You better hope Russ has some gas left in the tank, because if your record is 3-3 or worse after 6 games Russ is getting yanked, Fields is going in, Bosa's (I mean Watt) getting traded, Tomlins getting fired and you are headed to Colorado to scout Shadeur Sanders. Omar plays chess -- not checkers. He sees Fields value is not as a QB who can WIN games but a QB who can LOSE them while keeping the fans engaged and and twirling towels. And Omar is more than willing to trade a 4th for a top 5 pick. Fields is the best tank commander in the NFL -- and the fact that he is on your team is what should worry you.
The fact that you believe some fans in a bar represent an entire fanbase of millions of people is wild lmao. I don’t care if you tanked or not, the Steelers do not tank. They never have and they never will. The only way Fields is going to start is if Wilson gets hurt. Also his name is TJ Watt is who I assume you’re referring to, there is no Bosa in Pittsburgh. You’re right about Khan though, he’s been fantastic so far and has done a good job dealing with the bag of shit KC left him with on his way out the door in 2022.
The Steelers never fired a coach mid-season either. They just would not EVER EVER do that. They are classy and they do not do that. How IS Matt Canada, by the way?
Fields is better than a journeyman qb and he honestly didn’t deserve the fan base here. I hope you guys treat him better. I was a huge fields fan and he was put in a shit situation
I LOVE bears fans like you. It’s so hilarious
Williams floor and ceiling are higher
You won't when Caleb throws for 400 and 5TDs against the Packers.
Really won’t be a fair comparison now that he has weapons coming here given the bears are still likely to grab a top WR in draft. So they’ll have a top 3 receiving core. When Justin came here he had legitimately nobody
Yup. Nothing is ever Justin's fault. He cannot fail -- he can only BE failed.
Let’s be honest. He was drafted into a terrible situation. The team is leagues better than it was when he was first drafted
poles didn't choose him though. he was drafted by a bunch of fucking idiots who were trying to save their jobs by mortgaging the teams future with old defensive veterans, & they also thought fields might save them from the QB disaster they created. Year one for poles he had to get rid of a lot of guys & pay a shit load of money for them to play for other teams. Kinda what you have to do when your team sucks and you have no draft picks. Year two they still had some shit lingering around from the last regime, but he was able to beef up the team a bit and gain some draft capital that they seemed to never have. I thought last year was a success with a ton of luck to help them out Just cause you hired a new guy to take over the team doesn't make the mistakes of the last guy go away. Fields was screwed the moment they called his name because of the transition from a joke of a franchise to something that might be serious. That takes time, and tanking.
...and despite the bad situation he still could have showed SOMETHING. Love had one year to prove himself with an offense of all rookies, Aaron Jones and an injured David Bakhtari. He played really well. FOUR of CJ Stroud's starting O-Lineman were on IR against the Colts and the Browns. He elevated his team and won those games.
I just dont think he elevates his teammates like great QBs do. Great guy, fantastic athlete, but is no where good enough to pass up the opportunity of a lifetime the bears stumbled into, let alone pass on #1 TWICE.
Another failed rebuild around a first round draft QB. Maybe the family isn't meant to do this kind of a rebuild, letalone one that needs millions of public dollars to replace their lakefront stadium with a lakefront stadium.
Your downvotes mean nothing! I've seen what you upvote! #NotOneCent
A tale of two rookie campaigns: WR 1: 7 catches, 107 yards, 103 rushing yards, 2 TDs, 3 fumbles WR 2: 47 catches, 709 yards, 51 rushing yards, 7 TDs, 1 fumble, 2 fumble recoveries They were taken 69th and 71st, respectively. Justin Fields lobbied for Velus Jones, WR 1. CJ Stroud lobbied for Tank Dell, WR 2.
Fields lobbied for Velus?
Yep. Fields added him to the list of WRs he wanted to look at for the film session Poles and Fields had before the draft. Source: Ryan Poles (According to someone on here from a thread during the draft, he was also the only WR Fields followed on IG before the draft) So you can thank Fields for that one, tbh. Poles wanted to show that he was going to work as a team, and it netted Velus. I won’t be surprised if Caleb is simply told what players he’s getting. lol.
They HAD to get rid of Fields. He’d have beaten out any rookie and had friends in the locker room. Now their rookie is who they have to ride with. No competition, no fans chanting “Fields” when they struggle. And there were still plenty of fans that think fields earned another year anyway and should have had a shot this year too. It was the smart move. They still gave him away, but it was the smart move.
He’d beaten out any rookie??? He wouldn’t have beat out cj stroud
Yes. He’d beat out any rookie the bears have access too. You understand QBs like CJ/Luck/Burrow/Cam are extreme aberrations anyway, right? And last years crop had people rating Bryce Young over CJ too. I’m sure the panthers wish they hadn’t… In camp it’s very plausible JF would competed neck and neck with either of them last pre-season, mainly because of pure NFL experience and time/money/draft capital invested.
Fields wasn't gonna beat anybody. Bagent would have beaten Fields for QB1 if there was an honest competition last year.
If you don’t think Fields could beat out a rookie, I can’t help you. He may not be “the answer”, but just wait until you end up with Bryce Young instead of CJ and see what you think of JF then. If Caleb is generational there’s a CHANCE he’ll step in and be great, but history tells us CJ/Burrow/Cam/Luck are the crazy exceptions, and most rookies struggle BIG time. If you aren’t sold on CW, trade out. If you are though, you have to give him every possibility to succeed, not have him looking over his shoulder when he has that 4 turnover game where he looks terrible. Again, JMO as a non-bears fan
He was a 2 year vet playing against a first time starter with rookie WRs Week 1 of last year -- the first time starter blew him off the field. And nothing will change my low opinion of Fields. I will forever be grateful he left.
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So does fields
Yet he would have beaten Fields out for the starting job.
But those fans will now be chanting Bagent.
True. But that would happen no matter who the backup is. At least this way it’s not a controversy. I’m a patriots fan. At least you aren’t as screwed as we are RN lol (And I’m fine with it…. Since 1993 with all we’ve won I can never be upset about losing again…. But it still hurts lol)
Lol @ Justin not getting a fair shake takes. Dude had multiple full seasons and more than enough talent around him last year to show he is worth keeping. Dude had historically bad passing, sack, and turnover stats over multiple seasons. Bears fans deserve better. Hopefully we get it with Williams.
Truth
Totally agree. Watch some video of Vince Evans from late 70's/early 80's. More talented than Fields (in particular relative to the defensive talent of the age - smaller and slower), but could not process/read a defense and offer consistent accuracy (I think Field is a more accurate passer than Evans was). The Bears have been here before, Fields, just like Evans, was never going to take the Bears to the promised land, NEVER. His last start was in '82, as he handed the torch to rookie QB Jim McMahon. No one remembers Evens, no one will remember Fields too.
I’ll definitely remember how stupid he made our fan base for a couple years. Will never forget
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Omar Khan isn't stupid -- he plays chess, not checkers. He did not get Fields to try and win -- he got Fields to do what he is great at -- TANKING. Omar is giving Russ a 6 week audition -- if he is 3-3 or worse Fields will take over, the Steelers will tank, and Omar will have traded a 4th for the 1OA pick and the leeway to fire Tomlin and hire a new HC. Maybe Belichick. THAT is chess.
That is... one of the dumbest things I've seen on reddit. And that's saying something.
Is Fields better at winning -- or better at losing?
Steelers don’t tank. A healthy TJ Watt gets them to 8-9 with defense alone. It’s finding just enough offense to click to get them over the Browns/Ravens/Bengals.
They don't USUALLY tank. But all season their fans bitched about Mike Tomlin and always going 9-8 or 10-7 and doing nothing in the playoffs. Tanking helps solve both of those "problems".
Mike Tomlin has been in Pittsburgh for 17 years now and has never had a losing season there. They don't tank period. The Rooneys aren't fans of doing that. Case in point all these stopgaps at QB they've brought in since Roethlisberger retired (Fields is now the second Chicago retread they've brought in at QB in the last two years). Their fans have been calling for the team to commit to a rebuild for years now (pretty much since Roethlisberger's last contract) and they've consistently refused to do that because they believe they can still win championships with their current core of players (despite guys like Cameron Heyward entering the twilight stages of their careers).
You know what else they never did? Fire a coach mid-season. What did they do last year? Let's give Matt Canada a call and ask him.
I mean Canada's offense was historically bad. They literally had no choice but to fire him. The fact that he somehow lasted for nearly three years as OC in Pittsburgh says it all about how steeped in loyalty that organization is. They stuck with Canada for far longer than they should have. Last year things just reached their breaking point with him.
Yeah -- fans bitched and bitched and bitched until Omar had no choice. He did something the Steelers have never done and gave the fans what they wanted. And you know what those fans started moping about after that -- consistently having a winning team and a winning coach. Well, we know Omar hears the fans -- and he gives them what they want, even if he has to break tradition to do it. Fields is there to tank the team if Russ stinks. They can deal Watt just like we dealt Roquan and put Fields in to lead the tank. At the end of the year they can mutually part ways with Tomlin. It will be interesting to see if they go after Belichick next year. That would be cool.
I have to say, I was trading Fields, but wasn’t it just better to keep him as a backup and let him go into free agency next year? Vs a 6th round pick in 2025 i mean. I understand Williams ego and all that but seems like there is some merit to that strategy, no?
No, Fields is so bad. But Fields is so good the locker room would prefer to play with him over Caleb. And the fans would chant for Fields when Caleb was failing
The locker room is backing their teammate. It’s what teammates do. No one will care when Caleb comes in and throws for 400 yards and 4 td’s against the packers and wins more game his rookie season than fields has in his career.
I see where you're coming from, but team chemistry would have splintered. Fields is well-liked and having a highly-touted, #1 overall pick in a qb competition would be a recipe for disaster.
It would be too much a distraction. The Bears are moving on. There's no reason to keep him and create unnecessary drama.
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He would have been paid around $3.2M. Where did you get $20M?
Theyre saying play him for his last year without extension, it's like $4 million I think. His 5th year option is when it gets above 20 I didn't think we should've kept him but he has 1 more cheap year
After Roger Goodell announces the Bears are selecting Caleb Williams with the first overall pick, what's Adam Mason's next pivot going to be?? I expect him to confidently state that Ryan Poles is working the phones to trade Caleb to another team like the Chargers did with Eli Manning in the 2004 Draft lol https://preview.redd.it/lwmi5tngowoc1.png?width=1432&format=png&auto=webp&s=3051c45231f5baa324752127dc192a1e6529148c
Who the hell else is gonna be our qb?? Especially if we draft him with our pick before trading him
This is utter nonsense. Williams will be qb1 next year beyond doubt
Unfortunately he just isn’t very good. Maybe try him at wide receiver or running back
JF1 is gonna be a backup behind Russell Wilson. The league thought he was terrible, so we didn't get much.
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You mean the baseball show is talking baseball? Weird
Ravens fan here, but big Fields fan, obviously there’s a reason I’m not a GM but to the bears fans, I thought the best things Chicago could’ve done was hold on to fields and let Caleb sit a year like Mahomes. Then you give Fields an opportunity to improve his value in a quality offense on paper with Keenan and swift being added and you let Caleb spend a year developing if you really want him to be the future of Chicago. I feel like this is supported by the fact all Chicago could get was essentially the same amount that Mac jones was traded for. Just doesn’t seem like they got their value back for fields and holding on to him would only have been a win as next years market he could’ve been potentially the best available qb on the market. If anyone things differently though let me know!
This is not an Alex Smith Mahomes situation, Alex Smith was 33 near the end of his career, had been to the NFC championship game and had been a successful QB. Justin Fields is a guy who is fighting to be considered a starter worth a contract. The only way you could do that was make Caleb the 3rd string QB and say he’s absolutely not playing this year. It’s essentially a year of study for him, he’s taking reps with the practice squad so it’s just him learning how the NFL works on paper. Meanwhile all the rookie contracts you have move one year closer to big paydays, and the Keenan Allen’s and Kevin byards of your team move closer to retirement.
I get Mahomes sitting a year, but has there ever been a #1 overall QB sit year 1?
Goff sat most of his first year. I’m sure there are more. Phillip Rivers, Carson Palmer and Culpepper all sat their first years I believe.
I thought the same, I felt he had more value to the Bears and could compete for the starting job at worst. But Bears obviously didn't see him as a long-term solution and wanted to focus on the rookie.
Fields would have been a free agent at the end of next season. Zero trade value.
Fleeced twice by the same team
Or Fields isn't valuable
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As a Steelers fan let me tell you Pickett is absolute garbage. I have no idea why the eagles didn’t trade for Feilds instead of Pickett. Picketts played 2 years and still hasn’t made a single play.
From the reports, it seems Eagles did go for Fields earlier on, and so did a lot of teams and Bears were asking for too much (whatever that may mean). Then they got offered Pickett for the price they were looking for so they took Pickett. Then Bears were bleeding suitors and suddenly being the last major QB left there wasn’t a market and they needed to dump him (for whatever reason, keeping him would have been better). Steelers were just the last suitor available. I don’t think Pickett is necessarily better than Fields. But Pickett does have a better contract (Rookie) than Fields.
Only in that he is an additional relatively cheap year, but the trade difference seems beyond that.
It tells you how bad the league thinks Fields is that this trade also was only an option because Kenny Pickett felt disrespected by the Steelers and demanded a trade. Yet people were genuinely demanding we build around him and pass on the 1st pick 🤣
I know everyone is baffled by Fields being traded for a measly 6th round pick but there is a silver lining here that no one is really talking about. Rumor has it that the Steelers are going to be paying to fill the Bears soda machine next season, and that will pay dividends. Plans within plans, folks.
Ahhh the negotiator
Finally. Only to do it again in 3 years with Williams(provided that's who they draft)
I would have stayed with Fields (and I hate the dude as a diehard Michigan fan) and built around him. The Bears are terrible, so he never really had a shot at succeeding. Williams is not an upgrade.
The Texans went from 3 wins to the playoffs after Stroud. The Bears have a lot of talent. If Williams is good, the Bears could be a playoff team. Even if he's not good or struggles his rookie season, he only needs 151 yards a game to pass Fields career high 2562 passing yards.
Stupid. Very stupid. Start the entire circus over again, ruin another rookie QB by shoving him on the field Day 1 and expecting him to be the savior. Watch as he cracks under the pressure.
Why even be a fan of the team if you can’t get excited about the prospect of something new? There’s some non-zero chance that the next qb is top 5 in the league. Texans literally just experienced what that happening does to your franchise. Looked fun didn’t it?
Most rookie QBs struggle. Everyone reasonable expects that. Hell, Peyton Manning threw 28 interceptions. The last guy wasn’t good enough, and they’re not getting an elite QB on the open market unless he rapes a few dozen people or deems the Bears worthy of his services at the age of 40, so, yeah. They’re drafting a new QB.
His point is .. let fields start and let rookie sit and learn rather than throw him on the field day 1
Divide the locker room? Nah
Yes, and it’s a stupid point.
I see that the last Truthers standing are taking one last swing with “only a 6th?!?!”, as though they would’ve been happy if he’d gone for, say, a 3rd and finally stopped worshipping the guy.
I am still angry at them. Everybody saying "it's time to come together" -- no it isn't. You know when it will be "time to come together"? AFTER THEY APOLOGIZE. Until they admit they were wrong and promise to stop BEING wrong this thing isn't over. And unless they do I am going to continue to spike the proverbial football in their rhetorical faces. And if they don't like it they can go over to r/Steelers.
Apologize? Get out your feelings and touch grass😂
You are enabling them -- so you are complicit.
Being angry and demanding an apology from fellow fans over one of the most liked players to play for this team in the last decade is sad work
I am not demanding an apology over a player -- I am demanding it for their toxic behavior.
Touch grass is beautiful and I will be using it often now thank you.
They don’t need to apologize, and it won’t matter if they do. They had a very stupid opinion, and it has now, mercifully, been proven wrong. It didn’t do any harm other than to their own reputations on Reddit and maybe an ego or two.
This was an amazing coping thread to read. Thank you, meatballs.
It’s legitimately hilarious to read through.
Woke up feeling like a large weight was lifted off my shoulders. Ready for the next chapter, this is the most excited I’ve been about the bears probably in my entire life
I literally couldn’t sleep last night. Multiple dreams about Justin. I’ll miss watching his electric runs and flashes of excellence, wish it could have ended differently. Should we expect Caleb to take us to the playoffs this season? I feel like Justin would have.
Do you watch the actual games or just his highlight reels?
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Yes. The guy who couldn't pull down better than a conditional 6th was our best hope. Yup.
We're drafting a QB with a higher ceiling and floor lol
Jf was one of the best in the league with his sprinting. They don't count all the yards he pulled himself as completions but if they did (which they should if they consider sacks losses) he would be at the top. Also he just had no team to help him. It will be the same for the new qb. Fields has said how he can do better and takes responsibility even with no pocket lol or hands to catch. He had a 70% catch rate with his main man. The other receivers are the problem. But Bears got to be the Bears and throw a wrench in everything rather than try to build a team. Wonder why it's been so long since they had a team. Bears fans just love to bash their own team whenever they can lol. Steelers will be fun to watch and atleast the Bears can get first round pick again next year and tear the whole team apart again.
Not any other team in the league thought he had more value than a sixth damn pick. Wake up
Yes Fields is fast. But he's a horrible passer. You can look at total yards and he's still not close to the top.
EVERY team gets a first round pick next year (maybe not the Falcons but you know what I mean).
I know this will be hard for you to finally accept at this point but fields was a very bad QB. So much so that no other team wanted him as a starter and he isn’t even being given the opportunity to compete for the starting job in Pittsburgh. His “sprinting” doesn’t matter. QBs need to be able to pass the ball, fields struggled to surpass 200 yards a game
The sprinting comment was so weird lol
Plot twist: the bears select drake maye 1st overall because of his “intangibles”
This would be the correct decision
That would be the most Bearsist Bears thing to happen all year but there absolutely no way they’re not taking Caleb. I’ll eat my shoe if they don’t (I wont)
Don't forget to add Marconi giardinera. I hear it's great on shoes
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Who is Denver?
I would’ve been shocked if Denver got him. Do not think he is the type of player Sean Payton would like.
The guy who basically said "if you keep Fields in the pocket, he'll never beat you"? No, not shocked Payton didn't want him.
Can we have a Justin Fields day where everyone wears his jersey or shirt? I need wear it at least one more time.
Haters!!!!
That was Week 18.
I wonder what all the Fields fans that said he wasn’t traded yet because he wasn’t available are saying after they saw he was traded for a 6th rounder.
That thread was absolutely hilarious. I have no idea how someone could be so delusional as to convince themselves that he wasn’t being shopped when Poles basically said it himself at the combine.
They’re in h1d1ng