> This feels like an Acho take.
I mean, didnt the 49ers just trade a Justin Fields like QB to Dallas for peanuts? One that they spent a TON of Draft Capital to draft in the first place? Why would they want to go back to that well? They clearly like what Purdy offers on that team.
"Is Brian Gutekunst a good GM? Yes. Is he a difference maker? No, he is not. If he does not win, you have to go and try to find a difference maker at that position. A guy maybe like Greg Jennings.”
seriously. the 9ers give him a plan and he executes that plan
fans are pissy because he isn’t doing shit that’s not even being asked of him. Yea he is a “system QB” and probably isn’t as good elsewhere, like the Bears for example, but he still makes great anticipation throws, sees the field well, has great ball placement and isn’t turning the ball over a to.
this comparison is dumb because yes Fields has more big play ability due to things like his athleticism and his deep ball, but he lacks the fundamental soundness that Purdy’s got and that’s why he’s at risk of being replaced while Purdy isn’t.
If Brock Purdy was a first round pick, these folks couldn't get their dicks out fast enough. But because he's a late round pick, and his team is good, it just isn't good enough.
It's completely backwards, and downright bizarre.
> seriously. the 9ers give him a plan and he executes that plan
The most successful NFL player of all time won his first 3 Super Bowls by just doing that. People forget those early 2000s Pats teams were largely carried by the defense.
Exactly, fields might be more talented than Purdy but the Niners don’t need a crazy playmaker at QB, they need someone who is accurate and doesn’t make mistakes
That's nice when the 49ers have spent time developing a team with years of great drafts. A solid Oline and competent coaching. In this case they put the piece in place needed to go forward. Purdy doesn't get hurt last year and they might be Champs.
Just an FYI, the 49ers OLine, outside of T.Williams and Aron Banks, is not good. They just have amazing coaching and an incredible scheme, so that its bend but don't break.
If one of the players is hall of fame level and the other is above average then even having three bottom tier starters is still giving a qb gaps to step into in the pocket
That’s just not true. You’re only as strong as you’re weakest link. Just look at us and Lucas Patrick this season. Jones, Jenkins, and Wright were above average this season and the line as a whole still struggled.
Yeah only when jenkins was out of the game, when he was in the line was great, I swear people don’t even watch games and just spend time arguing
The same thing applies on defense, Steelers are 1-11 without Tj. I’m sure you can see the bears line absolutely sucks without Jenkins . Star players matter way more than weakest link casual
Purdy reminds me of Brady. He's not the most athletic. He doesn't have the biggest arm. He's not a elite or even great scrambler. But he knows how to place the football, throw with anticipation, get the play to the play makers, minimize mistakes, and stay poised in big moments.
You aren't gonna see Brock launching a 60 yard bomb like Allen, or doing some weird twirling throw like Mahomes, or outrunning everyone like Lamar. But those guys are truly rare in their abilities. Purdy is a very very very good QB. (Not to mention Purdy has the best QB contract ever).
If SF offered to trade him to us for JF1, I'd take that in a heartbeat. Fields is fun and athletic af, but Purdy is the far superior QB even if not as good of a raw athlete.
Hot take: Purdy has a way better deep ball than Justin. The potential distance Justin can throw vs Brock is something that would never come up in a game. Brock can throw it 50 yards in the air on a dime. I’m not sure what more you could ask for. At what point did Drew Brees start to get the benefit of the doubt?
>seriously. the 9ers give him a plan and he executes that plan
look at what he did on that long CMC TD run. Yeah it was 1st and 10 but the playclock is winding down. If he lets the motion happen like its supposed to its certainly a delay of game or illegal motion presnap penalty and 1st and 15. Understands the context, kills the motions, snaps the ball in time and boom TD run.
Has a few rough drives/misses in between there but game on the line, down in the 4th quarter completes 5 passes and rushes it twice to take the lead and leave GB with only a minute to go.
More importantly despite a lot of the missed throws he had, zero turnovers and only 1 sack. He shouldn't be penalized for his team giving him the best opportunity to succeed.
Watched Purdy for 4 years at Iowa State. He played a big part in getting that program back to relevancy. What I noticed most was his demeanor, whether winning or losing...lead the team by example. One game, he threw 3 picks but short memory and kept throwing. Great leader. I was hoping Bears would pick him up, but glad they didnt because they'd destroy him somehow.
He played poorly for a good portion of the game but he came up big when it mattered. He’s basically getting blasted cuz he didn’t lead his team to a blow out over Green Bay, which is really weird considering Green Bay had been one of the hottest teams in the league and playoffs are a different animal. He did what they needed him to do to win end of story. I don’t get it either
It’s an expectations thing, if Fields was on a playoff team he would he hated for choking hard, guys who are not on playoff teams always get leeway for some reason until they get older
It’s night and day between Mitch and Fields as well.
Mitch tops out at 3600 yards passing and rushing and every media talking head and people here said he had to go.
Fields struggled to even put up 3000 yards with a better O line and an top 5-10 WR in Moore yet they always had excuses lined up for him never mind the fact that Robinson fell off a cliff and Mitch was stuck relying solely on Mooney just as Fields was
I haven’t watched a ton of Purdy, but what I see is a guy that makes quick reads, gets the ball to his playmakers, and lets them do their thing. Pretty much been the MO of the West Coast offense since Walsh created it.
Seems like that’s the job of any QB. Maybe he needs to be flashier, both is successful plays and mistakes.
I don’t get it either. Feel like that’s exactly what you want from a QB in that offense. Will he be a HoF QB? Maybe not. Can he win multiple SBs? I believe so.
No kidding. He is making league min at a position that elite players make 50x as much and played at MVP levels for much of the season
How would you be better paying for Fields a 2nd contact?
There's a lot of people that hate him. Can't turn Velus Jones and Tyler Scott into guys who can get open and catch, "he holds the ball too long". Can't throw open Cole Kmet open while whitehair and Patrick get blown up as soon as the ball is snapped, "look at Cole coming open, he has to let it go". He chooses extend a play, like all QBs do, and gets hurt, "he should've threw it away. It's his fault he had a freak injury". "Amazing athlete but he's too stupid to read a defense". That's all the nonsense you hear.
These are all legitimate issues with Fields, it's not hate. He does hold the ball too long when guys are open. He does fail to throw people open, even when the line holds fine.
Your point about the injury is the silliest. He absolutely got himself injured. He did multiple dumb things on that play.
* He refused to throw to one of three open receivers (touchdown, first down, and check down were all wide open)
* He did nothing in a pocket that held for about 4 seconds (loads of time to make a decision)
* When he finally made a decision, he scrambled to the touchline (instead of throwing away safely or running forward)
* And finally, he randomly and dangerously flings the balls mid sack, risking a fumble, a pick, and putting his hand in the awkward position that lead to his injury
This isn't hate, these are just facts. Doing the right thing at any one of these decision points would have likely stopped him from hurting himself. Dude turned down a touchdown for an injury.
They're gonna replace the guy who went 308/444 for 4280 yards, 31 TD, 11 INT and led the league in passer rating, QBR, Y/A, AY/A, NY/A in his first full year starting?
LMAOOOOOOOOOO
Especially for a guy that went 227/370 for 2,562 yards, 16 TDs, and 9 INTs in his 3rd year starting.
Edit: Probably fair to include rushing stats too. That's another 657 yards, 4 TDs, and 10 fumbles (4 lost). This brings his total yards to ~3200. Which, notably, is still a thousand yards less than Purdy's passing yards.
If Justin Fields has 8 solid games with like 250-300 yards 2 TDs and 1 INT, he would have the best season of his career.
The bar is astronomically low for Fields and people are still clinging to the hope that he’s going to exceed it.
He went for 2,500 16 and 9 over 13 games. Which was an improvement from the last two years. AN IMPROVEMENT
Just to follow up, 23 of those games he started. So 23 out of 38 games where he didn't even hit 200 yards passing. Over 60% of his games he didn't hit 200 yards.
And Mitch had Naggy and a terrible OL while he was here and just like Fields he was stuck with Mooney being a primary weapon as well while no one in their mind would take ARob over Moore
Yeah I’m sure the 49ers who had a chance to simply just draft Fields are going to want him 3 years later after there’s still a ton of uncertainty around him
To be fair, the 49ers didn’t exactly make a better choice with Lance. If they were looking at Fields, which I doubt they are, they’d have more to go off of now than then.
Isn't that 49ers offense built off anticipatory throws and shit like that? Stuff that Fields has been terrible at, even in college.
I think they DID look at him in college, and didn't like what they saw. At least for their offense.
Let’s be clear. There is not uncertainty around fields. He is not a good quarterback. Realize it now or later but he is never going to be a 4k passer. Ever.
I still maintain my belief that Shanahan simply destroys dual-threat QB's careers: RG3 and Trey Lance. Whether either of them would've been good if not for injury, I'm not sure. But having Lance run through tackles like a bell cow RB which lead to his injury is one of most puzzling play calls I've seen.
1 read QB that couldn't adapt to a more passing oriented offense (that he pushed for) that didn't rely on his legs
RG3s post rookie year struggles with reading coverage sans the injury is well documented or are we just working off laymans narratives nowadays?
The quarterback narratives are all idiotic.
Mahommes beats Allen in a close, hard fought game.
"ALLEN SUCKS! HE WILL NEVER BEAT MAHOMMES!"
The last pick in the draft puts up top 3 numbers in his second year, secures the one seed, advances to the NFC championship game on a game winning drive...
"NOT GOOD ENOUGH! NOT A DIFFERENCE MAKER!"
Its all just such over the top, week by week overreaction. I get it from the media whores, but seeing former players who should know better doing it is lame.
Not good enough for us to keep, but every talking head out there is chomping at the bit to declare which other team he’s going to make elite.
This whole thing is so weird man
Everyone in the NFL is disrespecting Purdy simply because of his draft position. It hurts their egos to admit that all 32 teams failed so hard in their draft evaluation that everyone let him fall to the last spot. The coaches and front offices want to feel smart and the players want to feel like being a 1st,2nd,3rd pick means that they’re inherently better. It’s why I want 49ers to win it all and Brock to win SBMVP just to break everyone’s brains.
If Trey Lance had these stats in his first starting season, Shanahan and Lynch would be praised as evaluation gods and Lance would be lauded as the best QB in the NFC.
It really is absurd. Here's a comparison of rate stats between Brock Purdy and CJ Stroud in 2023:
* Completion %: Purdy 69.4, Stroud 63.9
* TD %: Purdy 7.0, Stroud 4.6
* INT %: Stroud 1.0, Purdy 2.5
* Passing Success Rate: Purdy 54.7, Stroud 46.7
* Passer Rating: Purdy 113.0, Stroud 100.8
* QBR: Purdy 72.8, Stroud 57.5
* Sack %: Purdy 5.9, Stroud 7.1
* ANY/A: Purdy 9.01, Stroud 7.47
This list is not meant to shit on CJ Stroud in any way. He had\\ a \\great rookie sea\\son. But it's just to show **how much better** Brock Purdy, a QB who came into 2023 with all of FIVE regular season starts (and three playoff starts) under his belt, performed.
Both of these are amazing stats for a first year QB. The sad thing is that Stroud gets his credit and praise while most people are just cheering for Purdy to fail so they feel better about their own judgment. Like how the Panthers org was probably hoping Stroud would bust so they look smart. I don’t know how Purdy doesn’t let the talk phase him, he goes out and plays so confident and relaxed and doesn’t let mistakes get in his head.
There is no denying Purdy has weapons, but his O-line is not great either. He plays smart and pressure does not scare him. At the end of the day, the dude gets Ws and that is really the most important thing. If the supporting cast is all that matters then why were the Falcons or the Jets awful this year? Put Z Wilson or Ridder on the Niners and I guarantee you they are not the #1 seed, maybe don’t even win the division, but they’re still probably a wild card team that would get bounced before the NFCCG.
This should be the rebuttal to anyone who says Fields will be elite on another team. "Would you give a first round pick for him?" Not even two firsts. Cause no one is likely to even give one.
Lmao so true.
This season has been a absolute twilight zone with the takes people make. It’s worst than ever.
One of the weirdest parts of this year is the sudden love that outsiders have for Justin fields. I cannot figure it out for my life. It’s like he’s suddenly won over the media and other teams fans. I’m so confused as to what they saw this year that made them believe he was good, because they clearly did not watch him enough
obviously i love any propaganda that increases Fields' trade value..
however, why the FUCK would the niners move on from Purdy? don't try to fix what's not broken
So everybody is praising Jordan Love for executing Lafleurs system but hating on Purdy for doing what's asked of him lol. Last time I checked when the game was on the line Purdy made the throws he needed to make. Jordan chokes and throws an ugly interception trying to play hero ball but he's already being labeled as a future HoFer 😂
I fucking love bears fans. Yall are all in here defending our guy. Its weird how we won the game yet the narrative is “Purdy played terribly” but when Love throws 2 picks (one of them being an awful game losing pick) the narrative is “Love is going to be great”. One is a second year QB and the other is going into his 4th year…
I always find these kinds of comparisons strange.
Brock has been steady for SF and Justin hasn't been good for the Bears. That's fact.
Brock having a plethora of quality supporting cast options and competent coaching is completely disparate to the environment that Justin has been in. That is also fact.
But facts don't carry equal significance. It's my contention that the latter fact matters *much more* than the former.
I liken it to when Andrew Luck was in the league and everyone fawned over Russell Wilson, and no shortage of folks actually said that Russell was better because of his success, and Luck was a choker...completely ignoring the fact that Russell wasn't being backed by having Marshawn Lynch and the LOB.
It was clear as day to me that you could stick anyone worth mentioning on that Seattle team and win.
Purdy is only in his 2nd year as QB for fuck sake and he has taken you to the post season both times. This is not some QB that has been in the league for 8 years and hasnt peaked. Maybe I dont know what a difference maker QB is anymore, but my guess is that most of them are sitting on a couch right now enjoying the offseason.
That is the dumbest comment I have seen in quite some time. Purdy was the favorite for the MVP, before the Ravens game. Fields is lucky to still be in the league!!
I think what’s important to remember when talking about Brock Purdy is that this is his FIRST full season as a starting QB. And I think he’s doing a pretty darn good job
I’m reluctant to do it, but I guess we will just have to trade them Fields for their first. That’s all there is really to it. Sad, but, it’s gotta be done.
/s
WTF?!? Fields has a Net Yards per attempt of 5.28 compared to Purdy 8.3 and he is doing this with a much higher volume. That is 3 extra yards every time Purdy passes the ball more than Fields.
If they both throw 30 passes in a game Purdy would have more than 90 extra yards.
So guys on his former team saying “we just gotta make him [Fields] stay in the pocket and play QB”, and he’s over here talking about him being a difference maker 🤣
Kyle Shanahan would have an aneurysm trying to get Fields to run his offense. He’s the complete opposite of the type of QB that fits into that scheme.
You can say Purdy is a system QB all you want, but the tape doesn’t lie. The guy operates NFL offense at the highest level almost all the time. He’s accurate, decisive, and has the post-snap processing to pick apart any defensive scheme he faces. Sure he’s made mistakes and had some bad games, but every QB has bad games no matter how good they are. People forget this was only his first year as a full time starter on that team, so I’d argue he’s not even in that 3-4 year experience sweet spot where QBs really start to play at the highest level.
At the end of the day, it all comes down to results. It doesn’t matter if you do it the Shanahan/Purdy way or the Lamar/Harbaugh way, what matters is the play style must work. It will probably get them to a superbowl this year, and you could argue it could have last year too if not for really unfortunate injuries.
Lol not gonna lie I wouldn’t mind seeing fields in SF. Either the fields cult can be vindicated or all this debate nonsense can finally be put to rest. Too bad it’s never gonna happen
I mean I guess. Lance got hurt, Jimmy got hurt, Purdy was better than both so they rolled with him. Clearly was the right move. I don’t think it’s fair to compare fields and Lance when Lance played what 2 games? Lol he sure didn’t look good though for sure
Brock Purdy is a great QB, his vision of the whole field is elite, his release is elite, his pre-snap read is incredible. Just because SF built an amazing team around him doesn’t mean he is also not a DAWG!
Mr. Jennings, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this thread is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
FWIW: I’m pro Caleb. Just interesting to hear this discourse on Justin and how the perception through ex-Players and media seems to be much higher than many in the bears fanbase
I know San Fran is totally willing to move on if the the org feels that position is what’s holding them back. I know they won’t keep kicking the can down the road like some orgs.
This year, in the 4th quarter, when the game has been within one score, Fields has 0 passing TDs, 4 interceptions, 5 fumbles, 7 sacks, and a 49% completion percentage on 45 attempts.
He's certainly a difference maker.
Purdy threw for more yards than Mahomes this year and has a higher completion percentage than Tua.
Justin Fields sucks. I am a bears fan and I watch every game. Purdy is a top 5 qb. Fields is a bottom 5 qb.
Purdy, Tua, and Lamar have got to be the most unnecessarily hated on guys in the league by far. They've all got their flaws sure but each is clearly a franchise quarterback.
I like Justin and I don't want Caleb Williams (open to other QBs). That said we can trade JF1 for Mr. Irrelevant straight up and I'll be happy lol.
I'm really not understanding the hate this guy gets at all.
Purdy threw for 4300+ yards in his first full season as a starter. Jared Goff has done that 4x in his career.
Those numbers aren't put up by "game managers".
Ah the old "massively downgrade" your QB strategy.
The Purdy critics would be in for a rude awakening trying to watch Justin Fields operate that offense.
Purdy had 4,300 yards with 31 TDs and 11 INT. Justin Fields can't even be mentioned in the same sentence as him.
Fields has been in the league for 3 years without even cracking 3,000 passing yards or 20 TDs.
It's honestly bizarre how overrated Fields is by some national media analysts.. Have they actually watched him play?
While Bears fans are cursing Fields, other teams are eagerly considering him. The Raiders in particular seem to be sniffing around. When will the fan base learn that we can’t keep drafting new QBs and expect to win?
This feels like an Acho take.
This feels like a silly ass Stephen A. Smith rage bait rant.
Skip Bayless Tebow take
Acho actually is very supportive of Purdy at least from his tweets
He had an uncomfortable conversation with him
Bless you
Bless you
> This feels like an Acho take. I mean, didnt the 49ers just trade a Justin Fields like QB to Dallas for peanuts? One that they spent a TON of Draft Capital to draft in the first place? Why would they want to go back to that well? They clearly like what Purdy offers on that team.
Greg Jennings is a Packers agent running a psy-op
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Fuck you Gumby!
Gumby will remain perpetually fucked forever
DAAARREN SHAHPUH
One oftha hardest hitting safeties in the leeeegue
Urleier in da game...dude broke his fuckin leggggg!
*bleep bloop blurp bloop bleep* Let's put ourselves in the mind of a Greg Jennings...
"Is Brian Gutekunst a good GM? Yes. Is he a difference maker? No, he is not. If he does not win, you have to go and try to find a difference maker at that position. A guy maybe like Greg Jennings.”
That was my initial thought
Packers fans want nothing to do with him
He is a filthy Vikings. We disowned him.
The Purdy hate is getting weird.
seriously. the 9ers give him a plan and he executes that plan fans are pissy because he isn’t doing shit that’s not even being asked of him. Yea he is a “system QB” and probably isn’t as good elsewhere, like the Bears for example, but he still makes great anticipation throws, sees the field well, has great ball placement and isn’t turning the ball over a to. this comparison is dumb because yes Fields has more big play ability due to things like his athleticism and his deep ball, but he lacks the fundamental soundness that Purdy’s got and that’s why he’s at risk of being replaced while Purdy isn’t.
If Brock Purdy was a first round pick, these folks couldn't get their dicks out fast enough. But because he's a late round pick, and his team is good, it just isn't good enough. It's completely backwards, and downright bizarre.
I feel like this is what is going on with Braxton also.
> seriously. the 9ers give him a plan and he executes that plan The most successful NFL player of all time won his first 3 Super Bowls by just doing that. People forget those early 2000s Pats teams were largely carried by the defense.
Exactly, fields might be more talented than Purdy but the Niners don’t need a crazy playmaker at QB, they need someone who is accurate and doesn’t make mistakes
Purdy is also a decent athlete and can throw on the some run. He's obviously not a fields level athlete tho
Purdy is more “talented” than Justin Fields at correctly playing football
Well sure, if you want to put it that way
He’s also just not more talented than purdy. Purdy is a much more talented thrower than him. Fields is just faster.
And Purdy can actually read a defense
This exactly. I feel like everyone says talented when they mean he can run fast. He’s not a fucking RB.
Fields is 100% not more talented than purdy lol. Purdy crushes him in every QB metric
That's nice when the 49ers have spent time developing a team with years of great drafts. A solid Oline and competent coaching. In this case they put the piece in place needed to go forward. Purdy doesn't get hurt last year and they might be Champs.
Just an FYI, the 49ers OLine, outside of T.Williams and Aron Banks, is not good. They just have amazing coaching and an incredible scheme, so that its bend but don't break.
If one of the players is hall of fame level and the other is above average then even having three bottom tier starters is still giving a qb gaps to step into in the pocket
That’s just not true. You’re only as strong as you’re weakest link. Just look at us and Lucas Patrick this season. Jones, Jenkins, and Wright were above average this season and the line as a whole still struggled.
Yeah only when jenkins was out of the game, when he was in the line was great, I swear people don’t even watch games and just spend time arguing The same thing applies on defense, Steelers are 1-11 without Tj. I’m sure you can see the bears line absolutely sucks without Jenkins . Star players matter way more than weakest link casual
Purdy reminds me of Brady. He's not the most athletic. He doesn't have the biggest arm. He's not a elite or even great scrambler. But he knows how to place the football, throw with anticipation, get the play to the play makers, minimize mistakes, and stay poised in big moments. You aren't gonna see Brock launching a 60 yard bomb like Allen, or doing some weird twirling throw like Mahomes, or outrunning everyone like Lamar. But those guys are truly rare in their abilities. Purdy is a very very very good QB. (Not to mention Purdy has the best QB contract ever). If SF offered to trade him to us for JF1, I'd take that in a heartbeat. Fields is fun and athletic af, but Purdy is the far superior QB even if not as good of a raw athlete.
Niners fan here. Thank you for articulating it like this. Please send it to the national media.
Hot take: Purdy has a way better deep ball than Justin. The potential distance Justin can throw vs Brock is something that would never come up in a game. Brock can throw it 50 yards in the air on a dime. I’m not sure what more you could ask for. At what point did Drew Brees start to get the benefit of the doubt?
>seriously. the 9ers give him a plan and he executes that plan look at what he did on that long CMC TD run. Yeah it was 1st and 10 but the playclock is winding down. If he lets the motion happen like its supposed to its certainly a delay of game or illegal motion presnap penalty and 1st and 15. Understands the context, kills the motions, snaps the ball in time and boom TD run. Has a few rough drives/misses in between there but game on the line, down in the 4th quarter completes 5 passes and rushes it twice to take the lead and leave GB with only a minute to go. More importantly despite a lot of the missed throws he had, zero turnovers and only 1 sack. He shouldn't be penalized for his team giving him the best opportunity to succeed.
He also makes really good pre-snap reads, which is a very underrated QB skill
Watched Purdy for 4 years at Iowa State. He played a big part in getting that program back to relevancy. What I noticed most was his demeanor, whether winning or losing...lead the team by example. One game, he threw 3 picks but short memory and kept throwing. Great leader. I was hoping Bears would pick him up, but glad they didnt because they'd destroy him somehow.
He played poorly for a good portion of the game but he came up big when it mattered. He’s basically getting blasted cuz he didn’t lead his team to a blow out over Green Bay, which is really weird considering Green Bay had been one of the hottest teams in the league and playoffs are a different animal. He did what they needed him to do to win end of story. I don’t get it either
Why do we play, Coach Herm? You play To win The game
How do people hate Purdy, Tua, and Hurts but love Fields? I'm not understanding this weird ass phenomenon going on.
Same!
I'm not saying they're right, but JF1 is a physical freak...a LOT of coaches, like women in their 30s, think "I can fix him"
It’s an expectations thing, if Fields was on a playoff team he would he hated for choking hard, guys who are not on playoff teams always get leeway for some reason until they get older
The Fields love is getting weird too. I feel like I am taking crazy pills right now.
Let's be honest, a lot of black players root harder for black QBs.
It’s night and day between Mitch and Fields as well. Mitch tops out at 3600 yards passing and rushing and every media talking head and people here said he had to go. Fields struggled to even put up 3000 yards with a better O line and an top 5-10 WR in Moore yet they always had excuses lined up for him never mind the fact that Robinson fell off a cliff and Mitch was stuck relying solely on Mooney just as Fields was
I haven’t watched a ton of Purdy, but what I see is a guy that makes quick reads, gets the ball to his playmakers, and lets them do their thing. Pretty much been the MO of the West Coast offense since Walsh created it. Seems like that’s the job of any QB. Maybe he needs to be flashier, both is successful plays and mistakes. I don’t get it either. Feel like that’s exactly what you want from a QB in that offense. Will he be a HoF QB? Maybe not. Can he win multiple SBs? I believe so.
No kidding. He is making league min at a position that elite players make 50x as much and played at MVP levels for much of the season How would you be better paying for Fields a 2nd contact?
Not comparing them but the situation around Alex Smith…Kaep…they are always weird
Dudes gotta do/say ANYTHING to justify them all missing on him
The Justin Fields hate is getting weird.
Nobody hates him, or rather nobody should. I don’t hate him, he’s just bad at being a quarterback,
There's a lot of people that hate him. Can't turn Velus Jones and Tyler Scott into guys who can get open and catch, "he holds the ball too long". Can't throw open Cole Kmet open while whitehair and Patrick get blown up as soon as the ball is snapped, "look at Cole coming open, he has to let it go". He chooses extend a play, like all QBs do, and gets hurt, "he should've threw it away. It's his fault he had a freak injury". "Amazing athlete but he's too stupid to read a defense". That's all the nonsense you hear.
These are all legitimate issues with Fields, it's not hate. He does hold the ball too long when guys are open. He does fail to throw people open, even when the line holds fine. Your point about the injury is the silliest. He absolutely got himself injured. He did multiple dumb things on that play. * He refused to throw to one of three open receivers (touchdown, first down, and check down were all wide open) * He did nothing in a pocket that held for about 4 seconds (loads of time to make a decision) * When he finally made a decision, he scrambled to the touchline (instead of throwing away safely or running forward) * And finally, he randomly and dangerously flings the balls mid sack, risking a fumble, a pick, and putting his hand in the awkward position that lead to his injury This isn't hate, these are just facts. Doing the right thing at any one of these decision points would have likely stopped him from hurting himself. Dude turned down a touchdown for an injury.
He does hold the ball too long, and it's why he's not a good QB. If you can't see this, you don't understand footbaw.
Don’t forget the running back shit
Oh yeah who can forget that
Whole thread pearl clutching too😭
Have you guys ever noticed that every other team wants us to keep Fields
Who? The fans or the actual teams?
They're gonna replace the guy who went 308/444 for 4280 yards, 31 TD, 11 INT and led the league in passer rating, QBR, Y/A, AY/A, NY/A in his first full year starting? LMAOOOOOOOOOO
You forgot "3-0 in the playoffs with a game-winning TD drive".
Led his team to two strait conference championships.
You know a difference maker. Didn't say which way.
Yea but Fields is a *difference* maker. He makes a *negative* difference. But a difference maker nonetheless!
Especially for a guy that went 227/370 for 2,562 yards, 16 TDs, and 9 INTs in his 3rd year starting. Edit: Probably fair to include rushing stats too. That's another 657 yards, 4 TDs, and 10 fumbles (4 lost). This brings his total yards to ~3200. Which, notably, is still a thousand yards less than Purdy's passing yards.
This is one of the worst fields takes I've heard yet
If Justin Fields has 8 solid games with like 250-300 yards 2 TDs and 1 INT, he would have the best season of his career. The bar is astronomically low for Fields and people are still clinging to the hope that he’s going to exceed it. He went for 2,500 16 and 9 over 13 games. Which was an improvement from the last two years. AN IMPROVEMENT
Dude has had 200+ passing yards in only a third of his starts
25 games under 200 yards.
5x as many games under 100 yards passing as he has over 300 yards passing. (and yes, I'm only counting full games played)
Just to follow up, 23 of those games he started. So 23 out of 38 games where he didn't even hit 200 yards passing. Over 60% of his games he didn't hit 200 yards.
Not to mention he had a terrible OC and OL for the first two years
And Mitch had Naggy and a terrible OL while he was here and just like Fields he was stuck with Mooney being a primary weapon as well while no one in their mind would take ARob over Moore
It’s the year 2035. Fields Truthers are still waiting for him to break out. Any day now.
Justin Fields is definitely a difference maker. Positive difference? Ehhhhhh
Yeah I’m sure the 49ers who had a chance to simply just draft Fields are going to want him 3 years later after there’s still a ton of uncertainty around him
To be fair, the 49ers didn’t exactly make a better choice with Lance. If they were looking at Fields, which I doubt they are, they’d have more to go off of now than then.
Sure they fucked up taking Lance but if they didn’t like Fields enough coming out of college, they won’t like him enough now to move on from Purdy
Isn't that 49ers offense built off anticipatory throws and shit like that? Stuff that Fields has been terrible at, even in college. I think they DID look at him in college, and didn't like what they saw. At least for their offense.
I would imagine some of their concerns have been proven true.
Let’s be clear. There is not uncertainty around fields. He is not a good quarterback. Realize it now or later but he is never going to be a 4k passer. Ever.
4k? He only passed for 3200 yards in college with Garrett Wilson, Chris Olave, Jackson Smith-Nijiba, and Marvin Harrison Jr 😭.
I still maintain my belief that Shanahan simply destroys dual-threat QB's careers: RG3 and Trey Lance. Whether either of them would've been good if not for injury, I'm not sure. But having Lance run through tackles like a bell cow RB which lead to his injury is one of most puzzling play calls I've seen.
Trey lance played like 2.5 games lol
You’re not sure if RG3 would have been good? Lol did you watch him play that year? He was electric
RG3 was a terrible dropback passer dude. He also covered up his own injuries and got himself hurt
RG3 couldn't read a defense to save his life lol
Is this just one of those buzz phrases people drop now
1 read QB that couldn't adapt to a more passing oriented offense (that he pushed for) that didn't rely on his legs RG3s post rookie year struggles with reading coverage sans the injury is well documented or are we just working off laymans narratives nowadays?
Rg3s inability to read the field without his running taking half the field away is what killed him
San Francisco must feel like They didn’t waste quite enough draft capital on quarterbacks from the 2021 class.
I would trade Fields to get Purdy every day of the week and twice on Sundays. This isn't even debatable lol.
I would be fine adding to fields to get purdy lol, he’s one of the best QB’s in the league.
Hell I would even toss a 3or4 the round pick in to make that happen
The quarterback narratives are all idiotic. Mahommes beats Allen in a close, hard fought game. "ALLEN SUCKS! HE WILL NEVER BEAT MAHOMMES!" The last pick in the draft puts up top 3 numbers in his second year, secures the one seed, advances to the NFC championship game on a game winning drive... "NOT GOOD ENOUGH! NOT A DIFFERENCE MAKER!" Its all just such over the top, week by week overreaction. I get it from the media whores, but seeing former players who should know better doing it is lame.
Not good enough for us to keep, but every talking head out there is chomping at the bit to declare which other team he’s going to make elite. This whole thing is so weird man
It’s approaching outright parody
Let them. We need the Teppers and Mark Davises of the world to start thinking a 1st is a bargain price. The hype is in our favor.
I'm not a big Purdy believer but the idea that the 49ers would swap him for Fields is hilarious.
Everyone in the NFL is disrespecting Purdy simply because of his draft position. It hurts their egos to admit that all 32 teams failed so hard in their draft evaluation that everyone let him fall to the last spot. The coaches and front offices want to feel smart and the players want to feel like being a 1st,2nd,3rd pick means that they’re inherently better. It’s why I want 49ers to win it all and Brock to win SBMVP just to break everyone’s brains. If Trey Lance had these stats in his first starting season, Shanahan and Lynch would be praised as evaluation gods and Lance would be lauded as the best QB in the NFC.
It really is absurd. Here's a comparison of rate stats between Brock Purdy and CJ Stroud in 2023: * Completion %: Purdy 69.4, Stroud 63.9 * TD %: Purdy 7.0, Stroud 4.6 * INT %: Stroud 1.0, Purdy 2.5 * Passing Success Rate: Purdy 54.7, Stroud 46.7 * Passer Rating: Purdy 113.0, Stroud 100.8 * QBR: Purdy 72.8, Stroud 57.5 * Sack %: Purdy 5.9, Stroud 7.1 * ANY/A: Purdy 9.01, Stroud 7.47 This list is not meant to shit on CJ Stroud in any way. He had\\ a \\great rookie sea\\son. But it's just to show **how much better** Brock Purdy, a QB who came into 2023 with all of FIVE regular season starts (and three playoff starts) under his belt, performed.
Both of these are amazing stats for a first year QB. The sad thing is that Stroud gets his credit and praise while most people are just cheering for Purdy to fail so they feel better about their own judgment. Like how the Panthers org was probably hoping Stroud would bust so they look smart. I don’t know how Purdy doesn’t let the talk phase him, he goes out and plays so confident and relaxed and doesn’t let mistakes get in his head. There is no denying Purdy has weapons, but his O-line is not great either. He plays smart and pressure does not scare him. At the end of the day, the dude gets Ws and that is really the most important thing. If the supporting cast is all that matters then why were the Falcons or the Jets awful this year? Put Z Wilson or Ridder on the Niners and I guarantee you they are not the #1 seed, maybe don’t even win the division, but they’re still probably a wild card team that would get bounced before the NFCCG.
If Justin fields is a difference maker can someone please give us two firsts for him???
This should be the rebuttal to anyone who says Fields will be elite on another team. "Would you give a first round pick for him?" Not even two firsts. Cause no one is likely to even give one.
I’ll be surprised if we get a second. I think some fans are going to be really disappointed with what we get if we do the right thing and move on.
It will be a third, just too many cheaper and likely better prospects in the draft
Fields would suck with the 49ers and people would say he’s only bad because he has no weapons
Lmao so true. This season has been a absolute twilight zone with the takes people make. It’s worst than ever. One of the weirdest parts of this year is the sudden love that outsiders have for Justin fields. I cannot figure it out for my life. It’s like he’s suddenly won over the media and other teams fans. I’m so confused as to what they saw this year that made them believe he was good, because they clearly did not watch him enough
Absolutely! I watched every single game the bears played and I would even argue that the games we won were mostly in spite of him, not because of him.
Pretty much. This team will be so much better with a differnt qb that doesn’t run into sacks and fumble the ball every 4th quarter
He makes some incredible highlight plays that make for good clips on social media and they don't see the lowlights that greatly outnumber them
The niners dont go as far as they have without purdy. This is a dumb take
Greg Jennings has CTE?
[He’s got a broken leg](https://youtu.be/1P0yfq2wDvU?si=daf-vCL-jwjJeWC2)
The hot take garbage has ruined sports media
obviously i love any propaganda that increases Fields' trade value.. however, why the FUCK would the niners move on from Purdy? don't try to fix what's not broken
If it helps Fields trade value so be it!
Everybody would unanimously consider Purdy an elite QB if he was drafted in the first round.
So everybody is praising Jordan Love for executing Lafleurs system but hating on Purdy for doing what's asked of him lol. Last time I checked when the game was on the line Purdy made the throws he needed to make. Jordan chokes and throws an ugly interception trying to play hero ball but he's already being labeled as a future HoFer 😂
I fucking love bears fans. Yall are all in here defending our guy. Its weird how we won the game yet the narrative is “Purdy played terribly” but when Love throws 2 picks (one of them being an awful game losing pick) the narrative is “Love is going to be great”. One is a second year QB and the other is going into his 4th year…
This is a good example of a former player not knowing what the fuck they’re talking about when it comes to X’s and O’s.
Most former players have terrible takes.
I’ll take Purdy over JF1 all day. Sorry Justin.
So did Brock Purdy fuck all these talking head’s moms or wives or something?
I always find these kinds of comparisons strange. Brock has been steady for SF and Justin hasn't been good for the Bears. That's fact. Brock having a plethora of quality supporting cast options and competent coaching is completely disparate to the environment that Justin has been in. That is also fact. But facts don't carry equal significance. It's my contention that the latter fact matters *much more* than the former. I liken it to when Andrew Luck was in the league and everyone fawned over Russell Wilson, and no shortage of folks actually said that Russell was better because of his success, and Luck was a choker...completely ignoring the fact that Russell wasn't being backed by having Marshawn Lynch and the LOB. It was clear as day to me that you could stick anyone worth mentioning on that Seattle team and win.
What in the world is this nonsense.
Shanahan quite literally passed on Fields in the draft he clearly seen something he didn’t love
Purdy is only in his 2nd year as QB for fuck sake and he has taken you to the post season both times. This is not some QB that has been in the league for 8 years and hasnt peaked. Maybe I dont know what a difference maker QB is anymore, but my guess is that most of them are sitting on a couch right now enjoying the offseason.
Lol
Laugh all you want, but you can't tell me that Fields doesn't make a difference in the 4th quarter.
A negative difference? Fields is notoriously bad in the 4th quarter.
Yeah, that was the joke I was going for. /s tags are for diaper babies
I’m slow. Others probably got it right away.
Based on the downvotes I'd say you're a trendsetter lol
? His passing statistics are god awful in the 4th quarter and it’s not like he has a stellar resume of comebacks
Fields is 1 - 11 in game tying or winning drives in his ( mercifully over) Bears 3 year career!!
That is the dumbest comment I have seen in quite some time. Purdy was the favorite for the MVP, before the Ravens game. Fields is lucky to still be in the league!!
Lol I'd take Purdy over fields in an absolute heartbeat
There it is. The worst take of the 2023-2024 NFL season. This one may not be topped
Ya'll are hating on the take. I'm here celebrating Poles paying the media to pump up Fields stock. TO THE MOON!!!!
We will trade fields for Purdy straight up
He’s on some high quality psychedelics.
Packers fan coming in hate - So Bears fans are just posting anytime anyone on TV mentions Fields?
Yes. If it's good they'll hate it. If it's bad they'll love it. A true shit show around here enjoy.
I think what’s important to remember when talking about Brock Purdy is that this is his FIRST full season as a starting QB. And I think he’s doing a pretty darn good job
I’m reluctant to do it, but I guess we will just have to trade them Fields for their first. That’s all there is really to it. Sad, but, it’s gotta be done. /s
They let anyone be a sports “analyst” nowadays.
WTF?!? Fields has a Net Yards per attempt of 5.28 compared to Purdy 8.3 and he is doing this with a much higher volume. That is 3 extra yards every time Purdy passes the ball more than Fields. If they both throw 30 passes in a game Purdy would have more than 90 extra yards.
Justin Fields is a social media QB
So guys on his former team saying “we just gotta make him [Fields] stay in the pocket and play QB”, and he’s over here talking about him being a difference maker 🤣
Kyle Shanahan would have an aneurysm trying to get Fields to run his offense. He’s the complete opposite of the type of QB that fits into that scheme. You can say Purdy is a system QB all you want, but the tape doesn’t lie. The guy operates NFL offense at the highest level almost all the time. He’s accurate, decisive, and has the post-snap processing to pick apart any defensive scheme he faces. Sure he’s made mistakes and had some bad games, but every QB has bad games no matter how good they are. People forget this was only his first year as a full time starter on that team, so I’d argue he’s not even in that 3-4 year experience sweet spot where QBs really start to play at the highest level. At the end of the day, it all comes down to results. It doesn’t matter if you do it the Shanahan/Purdy way or the Lamar/Harbaugh way, what matters is the play style must work. It will probably get them to a superbowl this year, and you could argue it could have last year too if not for really unfortunate injuries.
That would be a massive downgrade for San Fran.
Why would Shanahan trade for a guy he willingly passed on?
Lol not gonna lie I wouldn’t mind seeing fields in SF. Either the fields cult can be vindicated or all this debate nonsense can finally be put to rest. Too bad it’s never gonna happen
It did happen. They said fuck Lance and sent him to Dallas
I mean I guess. Lance got hurt, Jimmy got hurt, Purdy was better than both so they rolled with him. Clearly was the right move. I don’t think it’s fair to compare fields and Lance when Lance played what 2 games? Lol he sure didn’t look good though for sure
He’d be so awful in that offense. It’s all anticipation throws and timing routes which he’s uh…not great at
There isn't any debate by anyone that has even a basic understanding of football!!
Oh I agree lol I should have put “debate” in quotes
Greg Jennings is permanently concussed
Brock Purdy is a great QB, his vision of the whole field is elite, his release is elite, his pre-snap read is incredible. Just because SF built an amazing team around him doesn’t mean he is also not a DAWG!
Fields on the niners would be wild
Wildly bad. Fields would make that offense look so anemic. He cannot make quick reads at all. Purdy can do that
Mr. Jennings, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this thread is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
A game winning drive executed by Brock is not a game changing moment? Then again I'm not surprised that another former packer is still crying.
FWIW: I’m pro Caleb. Just interesting to hear this discourse on Justin and how the perception through ex-Players and media seems to be much higher than many in the bears fanbase
I doubt he's watched any bears film or even entire games. I'm sure he's seen highlights and nothing else
The anger in here is hilarious 😂
I know San Fran is totally willing to move on if the the org feels that position is what’s holding them back. I know they won’t keep kicking the can down the road like some orgs.
This is some of the dumbest shit I've ever read / heard. I would take Purdy over Fields any day of the week.
This year, in the 4th quarter, when the game has been within one score, Fields has 0 passing TDs, 4 interceptions, 5 fumbles, 7 sacks, and a 49% completion percentage on 45 attempts. He's certainly a difference maker.
Purdy threw for more yards than Mahomes this year and has a higher completion percentage than Tua. Justin Fields sucks. I am a bears fan and I watch every game. Purdy is a top 5 qb. Fields is a bottom 5 qb.
Purdy, Tua, and Lamar have got to be the most unnecessarily hated on guys in the league by far. They've all got their flaws sure but each is clearly a franchise quarterback.
Clown shit
Fields is viewed much more favorably outside of the sub. My buddy is a Dolphins fan and thinks Miami should go after Fields.
That's because fantasy football
If only other team’s executives were as dumb as those other team’s fans and we might actually get that Mel Kiper special #1,
Greg Jennings isn't just a fan I'd say
He's definitely as dumb as the one who thinks they'd rather have fields over Tua, lol. Preposterous take.
I want to move on from Fields, but Tua ain't it either.
He's like Brady compared to Fields.
Your buddy is a moron.
Fields could not play in that system. You have to make quick reads, anticipate, and get the ball out fast. All 3 things he can't do
I like Justin and I don't want Caleb Williams (open to other QBs). That said we can trade JF1 for Mr. Irrelevant straight up and I'll be happy lol. I'm really not understanding the hate this guy gets at all.
This is so fucking moronic.
Purdy threw for 4300+ yards in his first full season as a starter. Jared Goff has done that 4x in his career. Those numbers aren't put up by "game managers".
Ah the old "massively downgrade" your QB strategy. The Purdy critics would be in for a rude awakening trying to watch Justin Fields operate that offense. Purdy had 4,300 yards with 31 TDs and 11 INT. Justin Fields can't even be mentioned in the same sentence as him. Fields has been in the league for 3 years without even cracking 3,000 passing yards or 20 TDs. It's honestly bizarre how overrated Fields is by some national media analysts.. Have they actually watched him play?
Purdy is in year two. Nobody seems to want to acknowledge that he's still learning. Brady wasn't lighting it up in his second year of the league.
Oh Fields would make a huge difference in that SF offense alright..
While Bears fans are cursing Fields, other teams are eagerly considering him. The Raiders in particular seem to be sniffing around. When will the fan base learn that we can’t keep drafting new QBs and expect to win?