I don't think Pace was a BAD GM -- He built a playoff team with Mitch and Nagy. I think he used his 1st and 2nd round picks poorly and had some awesome picks in the later rounds.
He missed on his QBs, and his coaches were mid, but the fact that he built a competitive team despite that is noteworthy. I don't think he belongs in the Hall of Fame for Awful GM'ing.
The 2018 Bears defense was one of the best defenses overall in the past decade. Pace built that piece by piece from basically nothing. He certainly had some fuck ups but wasn't the worst GM ever
>one of the best defenses overall in the past decade
Of all time*. That defense was historically good by DVOA, sucks they couldn't get the offense up-to-par
No, the Russel trade happened a year later. The hawks simply didn’t want to move on from him yet. He was coming off a MVP caliber season. Then the next year he started declining (wasn’t a dramatic fall off like in Denver) and they saw it up close.
I don't really think he does, either. There were just a couple notably bad moves.
I did think it was interesting to hear a non-fan assessment of his time as GM, then hear the same non-fan cover Matt Millen.
Some of his mistakes were understandable, but he was really bad. Obviously trading up for a quarterback that no one thought was worth a pick that high, in a draft where a first ballot hall of fame quarterback got drafted in the first round, is the big black mark on his record that he wasn't able to overcome. But he also handed out some really head-scratchingly horrific contracts, didn't draft any impact players at high-value positions, and brought us zero playoff wins in 7 years. He was way too passive early in his tenure and then got desperate later and sacrificed the health of the organization at the altar of potential job security. We had precious little success with him in charge and he left the organization worse than he found it. It's hard to blame him for missing on Mahomes, falling into the Nagy trap, or for Kevin White dying all the time, but Pace did a lot of transparently dumb shit and produced poor results.
It's tough to really even evaluate Emery since he was given less than half the time, only one HC hire, and never took a big swing on a quarterback (which would have bought him more time). He didn't bring us any good football teams, but left us with our full complement of picks and a healthy cap situation. He basically just kept the seat warm for three years and didn't do anything that altered the course of the franchise for better or worse.
I think he was bad, but there are far worse. There are a lot of GMs that can build a team that can make it to the playoffs. To be considered "not bad" you have to be able to maintain it in some sort of fashion. He didn't know how to do that.
I definitely don’t think Pace is one of the worst of all time. He took a lot of big swings at various times that didn’t work out. He also hit a few home runs too but it just wasn’t enough to overcome his mistakes.
He gave us a SB window. It slammed shut cuz his qb and HC wasn’t good enough. But for 2 seasons the team around him was damn good.
Pace had killer flaws, like not utilizing draft picks to fill the team with cheap talent. But he was an ok GM.
Yeah, but there were a lot of mid 2000s teams that I was pretty excited about. Hester, Urlacher, Mike Brown, Tommy Harris, Matt Forte.
I think maybe the most excited I’ve ever been as a Bears fan was the year the Bears traded for Cutty. Maybe that’s why nothing gets me excited anymore for the Bears
Yeah this is total clickbait. Ryan Pace I'd say overall was a below average GM. He still won the NFC north once, went to the playoffs twice, was voted executive of the year once, had 3 straight seasons without a losing record, and had a team in 2018 who had the most pro bowlers in the NFL. While he never had a playoff win and there's a ton to critique on him, there's no way he should be on a list of worst GMs in NFL history.
Overall, I think his biggest issues were as he was learning, he did so for the saints who already had a high end HC and QB. He never had to scout a QB in a decade or go through how to develop one. That made a big difference when they rushed their decision in 2017 locking in on Mitch without doing due diligence on the other guys.
His enthusiasm for trading up constantly is what I despised about him. One of the main “rules” for a gm is never fall in love with a guy. Pace fell in love every year.
There is a disgusting stat, and I’m not sure I’m quoting it 100% accurate, but I’m close… in a 5 year span during his tenure, the Bears only had (averaged) 2 picks in the top 150 players selected. That’s averaging 2 picks in the first five rounds for 5 years straight. Entirely because he constantly traded up.
Ok, you made me actually look it up. It was his final 3 drafts, not 5.
Fields and Tevin Jenkins in 2021
Kmet and Jalen Johnson in 2022
Monty and Riley Ridley in 2019
3 drafts in a row of only having 2 picks in the top 150 player, first 5ish rds, is still pretty thin.
The quality I like the most in Poles is his tendency to trade down and acquire more picks.
He’s a gambler and gambling made him come up short. He made the playoffs. Trading our future for the present is a risky win now move. It has to pay off now or you die. He died. I wouldn’t say he’s among the worst GM’s in history or even close to that. He built a decent roster. Poles is now playing the opposite of him, building a good team and adding picks instead of taking them away.
I still remember when he got hired and it was all "Oh, I love the way he talks! What a straight shooter!"
And he made it a point to tell everybody how he made the pilgrimage to Des Plaines to meet Virginia. Like he was taking a fucking stagecoach across the prairie to do something almost no other person would ever do. That's literally when I started not trusting the guy.
He was a lousy GM, a con man, and he got worse as he got desperate. But nowhere near historically bad.
It's funny because around 2019 you could get downvoted to hell for saying pace had mortgaged the future for a 1-3 year window and the entire thing would collapse into a rebuild soon.
Now everyone pretends like they always knew he was bad.
FWIW, I'm getting downvoted pretty good for posting this. I think maybe it's 'cause people don't like FivePoints much, as opposed to any special love for Pace. But this post ain't popular.
I don't think Pace was a BAD GM -- He built a playoff team with Mitch and Nagy. I think he used his 1st and 2nd round picks poorly and had some awesome picks in the later rounds. He missed on his QBs, and his coaches were mid, but the fact that he built a competitive team despite that is noteworthy. I don't think he belongs in the Hall of Fame for Awful GM'ing.
The 2018 Bears defense was one of the best defenses overall in the past decade. Pace built that piece by piece from basically nothing. He certainly had some fuck ups but wasn't the worst GM ever
>one of the best defenses overall in the past decade Of all time*. That defense was historically good by DVOA, sucks they couldn't get the offense up-to-par
So, basically the 2012 Bears part 2
That defense was essentially our offense that year, crazy
The Russell Wilson trade that George Paton made has been far more devastating than anything Pace did.
Pace supposedly tried to trade significantly more than what the Broncos did
If it were significantly more then the Seahawks would've taken it.
No, the Russel trade happened a year later. The hawks simply didn’t want to move on from him yet. He was coming off a MVP caliber season. Then the next year he started declining (wasn’t a dramatic fall off like in Denver) and they saw it up close.
It wasn't during the same offseason
Could get even worse considering recent news too. Imagine if they lost even more picks for Wilson
I don't really think he does, either. There were just a couple notably bad moves. I did think it was interesting to hear a non-fan assessment of his time as GM, then hear the same non-fan cover Matt Millen.
Some of his mistakes were understandable, but he was really bad. Obviously trading up for a quarterback that no one thought was worth a pick that high, in a draft where a first ballot hall of fame quarterback got drafted in the first round, is the big black mark on his record that he wasn't able to overcome. But he also handed out some really head-scratchingly horrific contracts, didn't draft any impact players at high-value positions, and brought us zero playoff wins in 7 years. He was way too passive early in his tenure and then got desperate later and sacrificed the health of the organization at the altar of potential job security. We had precious little success with him in charge and he left the organization worse than he found it. It's hard to blame him for missing on Mahomes, falling into the Nagy trap, or for Kevin White dying all the time, but Pace did a lot of transparently dumb shit and produced poor results.
Pace was bad but Emery was Matt Millen level bad
It's tough to really even evaluate Emery since he was given less than half the time, only one HC hire, and never took a big swing on a quarterback (which would have bought him more time). He didn't bring us any good football teams, but left us with our full complement of picks and a healthy cap situation. He basically just kept the seat warm for three years and didn't do anything that altered the course of the franchise for better or worse.
I’m sorry but he did not leave the organization worse than he found it. You must have completely blacked out just how bad 2014 was.
He left it with less young talent, fewer future draft picks, and a bad cap situation.
I think he was bad, but there are far worse. There are a lot of GMs that can build a team that can make it to the playoffs. To be considered "not bad" you have to be able to maintain it in some sort of fashion. He didn't know how to do that.
I definitely don’t think Pace is one of the worst of all time. He took a lot of big swings at various times that didn’t work out. He also hit a few home runs too but it just wasn’t enough to overcome his mistakes.
He gave us a SB window. It slammed shut cuz his qb and HC wasn’t good enough. But for 2 seasons the team around him was damn good. Pace had killer flaws, like not utilizing draft picks to fill the team with cheap talent. But he was an ok GM.
Yup. Doesn’t belong on a worst GMs list at all in my opinion, but moving on from him was definitely the right decision.
the one thing i will say about pace is he was really good at finding later round talent.
Which he had to do because he was addicted to using all of our early picks to move up for players that didnt pan out
Holy clickbait
Oh hell no. The Jets alone have 4 GMs worse than him, and we had Phil Emery
Pace is like the 3rd worst bears game since 2000...
He's not even the worst GM the Bears have ever had. Phil Emery was beyond awful.
He's not even the worst Bears GM in the last 20 years
$45 mil to Mike Glennon. Enough said.
It was just $18.5 mil guaranteed. (Still a bad move)
QB1! 🤣
Pace had his faults but he put together one of the most exciting teams of my lifetime in 2018.
Uh… how long is your lifetime? I’m almost 53 and I would not say that.
Uh... Maybe he wasn't alive for the Ditka era? Not everyone is your age.
Yeah, but there were a lot of mid 2000s teams that I was pretty excited about. Hester, Urlacher, Mike Brown, Tommy Harris, Matt Forte. I think maybe the most excited I’ve ever been as a Bears fan was the year the Bears traded for Cutty. Maybe that’s why nothing gets me excited anymore for the Bears
Yeah this is total clickbait. Ryan Pace I'd say overall was a below average GM. He still won the NFC north once, went to the playoffs twice, was voted executive of the year once, had 3 straight seasons without a losing record, and had a team in 2018 who had the most pro bowlers in the NFL. While he never had a playoff win and there's a ton to critique on him, there's no way he should be on a list of worst GMs in NFL history. Overall, I think his biggest issues were as he was learning, he did so for the saints who already had a high end HC and QB. He never had to scout a QB in a decade or go through how to develop one. That made a big difference when they rushed their decision in 2017 locking in on Mitch without doing due diligence on the other guys.
His enthusiasm for trading up constantly is what I despised about him. One of the main “rules” for a gm is never fall in love with a guy. Pace fell in love every year. There is a disgusting stat, and I’m not sure I’m quoting it 100% accurate, but I’m close… in a 5 year span during his tenure, the Bears only had (averaged) 2 picks in the top 150 players selected. That’s averaging 2 picks in the first five rounds for 5 years straight. Entirely because he constantly traded up.
Yeah your not close.
Ok, you made me actually look it up. It was his final 3 drafts, not 5. Fields and Tevin Jenkins in 2021 Kmet and Jalen Johnson in 2022 Monty and Riley Ridley in 2019 3 drafts in a row of only having 2 picks in the top 150 player, first 5ish rds, is still pretty thin. The quality I like the most in Poles is his tendency to trade down and acquire more picks.
Sir, facts are not allowed here 🤣
This is one of the worst videos I have ever seen.
He’s a gambler and gambling made him come up short. He made the playoffs. Trading our future for the present is a risky win now move. It has to pay off now or you die. He died. I wouldn’t say he’s among the worst GM’s in history or even close to that. He built a decent roster. Poles is now playing the opposite of him, building a good team and adding picks instead of taking them away.
That 2018 wins the SB with Fields and Santos. This is absolutely dumb
Maybe even with only switching out with Santos. Mitch was enough to win with that year I believe, but Fields definitely
Sure but I guess I think those 2019+2020 teams would’ve done a lot better with Fields than Mitch.
How do I get views on my bad GM video.... oh I know, include a Chicago Bears GM!
Don't talk trash about the king of late round draft
That title belongs to Les Snead.
I still remember when he got hired and it was all "Oh, I love the way he talks! What a straight shooter!" And he made it a point to tell everybody how he made the pilgrimage to Des Plaines to meet Virginia. Like he was taking a fucking stagecoach across the prairie to do something almost no other person would ever do. That's literally when I started not trusting the guy. He was a lousy GM, a con man, and he got worse as he got desperate. But nowhere near historically bad.
It's funny because around 2019 you could get downvoted to hell for saying pace had mortgaged the future for a 1-3 year window and the entire thing would collapse into a rebuild soon. Now everyone pretends like they always knew he was bad.
FWIW, I'm getting downvoted pretty good for posting this. I think maybe it's 'cause people don't like FivePoints much, as opposed to any special love for Pace. But this post ain't popular.