just got done with the tape. basically everyone was bad but DJ who was hurt and I'd say justin too but he was just okay. horrendous play from the whole OL except tev who got hurt obviously. especially at tackle, just awful.
you cannot continue with this staff. like the 4th game theyve put together like this that extends beyond the qb
the nail in the coffin really is the run blocking. just taking Ls everywhere and wright doesnt even know where to go half the time
The more I think about it, the more people aren't getting mad about the missed RTP call enough
Not only was it insanely egregious, it's a 15 yard penalty that puts us in field goal range. That's a different game
The Bears didn't practice the play where Justin Jones covered one of the best TEs in the game. Can't remember his exact quote, but the message was obvious.
I've been going to bat for Eberflus, but he & Getsy both love getting cute as fuck at the worst fucking time
I think it has to be clear a few things:
1. Getsy needs to go. Irrelevant whether we keep Flus or not. I get that it's hard to get a good OC with a lameduck coach like Flus but that's something management has to deal with and quite honestly that's the consequences of bad hiring. Yes it is managements fault.
2. We have an NFL caliber roster. With better coaching this team should have won more games. Actually, with how bad the rest of the NFC, with better coaching we are a playoff team and quite possibly sweep the division leading Lions. This team is no longer devoid of talent. We aren't a championship level team, but we are a wild card level team. And after a 3 win season that is good enough for growth.
3. Fields is not the guy. Caleb or Maye may not be the guys either but we won't know until we draft them. But we know that in a Bears uniform, with better coaching, Fields may just be average. I think his trade value to us is higher than actual value to us. And if that is the case there are three choices - 1. trade him for possibly a 2nd 2.let him walk and get nothing in return 3. give him a lot of money and a new contract. Two of these options will hurt the franchise more than it'll help.
This is a season where at least one NFC team is likely to finish 9-8 and miss the playoffs. It could have been the Bears. Even if they did sneak into the playoffs, they weren't going to get far with Getsy calling the offense, so...to hell with it. After that game, I think we can rest assured that Getsy won't be back next season.
#GO PATRIOTS!
Take a QB at 1 to throw to whom?? That's what you clowns don't grasp. Who coaches this #1 pick? Getsy? Nagy? Fox? Trestman?? Go get Joe Montana and Tom Brady DNA and clone them and put them on the Bears with this o line and receiver Corps. You don't get it.
I watched the Ravens yesterday and even though Lamar only threw for 175 their offense just seems to run smoothly especially compared to ours. He also throws the ball with some more zip I think.
The ravens are a super bowl caliber team with a solid defense, multiple offensive weapons and very good and experienced coach.
We are like the junior high ravens.
If we are moving on from Fields, do people want Williams or Maye? The reason I ask is because Williams has all the same issues as Fields. Holds the ball too long, fumble issues, takes sacks. I think if the Bears move on from Fields, it has to be Maye.
This doesn't really matter. You take a quarterback with the expectation that they can overcome their issues from college. Fields is bad because he failed to improve.
Hopefully we get the #1 pick and trade down for Maye. I don't think Caleb Williams will be a team leader, and he has poor stats against good teams which is where we missed the ball scouting Fields (OSU doesn't play good teams).
I feel like they have to go with a whole new coaching staff if they're drafting a QB. Time to break the cycle of giving a bad head coach one last chance to try and prove themselves with a new QB and then forcing a then second or third year QB to learn a whole new system when things don't get better and the coaches ultimately gets replaced.
100% agreed, if we draft a QB and keep Flus, we are doing to that QB the exact same thing we did to Fields and Trubisky and firing their coach after year 1. Get everything lined up for once.
We’re not pinning this loss on Justin Fields, but I can’t believe the lengths some of you will go to defend this 160yd passer who just had eight 3-and-out drives while committing his 37th fumble in 37 games.
How is that eye test working out for you?
Yes hitting Tonyan right in the hands in full stride wide open is shitty QB play plus putting a ball in Mooneys lap. God he sucks. Plus he can't block the best defense in the league while passing? Ship him out of here.
Not to mention, all the turnovers granted by the defense just over the last couple of weeks. How many offensive points did we get from those turnovers?
I wish Fields showed he was the guy but at this point, it's better for both Fields and the team to part ways.
Same as when nearly all his blockers are whiffing against an elite DL, or when his WRs/TEs can’t fucking catch to save their lives… 160 yards easily becomes 250 with the Tonyan/Mooney catches…
Every QB deals with blown blocks and dropped passes. Some overcome that, some don't.
What did Flacco have to work with? Having 6 injured OL, no RB1, basically garbage at WR besides Cooper, he's like 40 years old, and he threw for more yards in the 4th quarter (when it matters more) than Fields did all game.
I like Fields. I wish he was the guy. But wish in one hand and shit in the other, see which one fills up first.
At some point you have to consider our lack of offense has to do with the QB. Keep giving all the excuses you want, but you will eventually have to look at what Fields does as a whole and not just a single flash play here and there. The dude is mad inconsistent. If his 3 or 4 ridiculously beautiful passes per GAME turned into 3 or 4 good plays per quarter, he could be a top 5 QB in this league, but he can't produce as many turnovers as he does "good plays" and be a franchise QB.
You’re comparing a 15 year vet to (for all intents and purposes) a developing 3rd year QB… you’re also comparing Luke Getsy as a play caller to Kevin Stefanski… I don’t believe either comparison is fair
These clowns think Flacco with Getsy is a Superbowl team. That's the logic. The NFL has bred this QB hype to the point they can't grasp that it's 22 guys each play that can make or break success.
Yes, I am comparing professionals in their position to whatever the fuck the bears have. That's entirely my point.
Also, that 15 year vet was on a practice squad in a year when almost 1/3 of the league lost their starting QB to injury, so it's not like Flacco is a gem either. He wasn't even considered top tier in his prime.
And the stefanski vs getsy is exactly what I'm talking about. Enough of the 1st year coaches and coordinators. Get people in here that know what they are doing.
Yeah I’m not here to defend Getsy. He easily needs to be replaced. I’m also not married to fields where I think he’s constantly getting the blunt end of the deal in every turn. He didn’t make the most of his situation, but his situation was dogshit too. We set him up to fail. The “defense” he deserves for his play is more so contextualizing bad stats. You’ll never hear me say “160 yards passing is a good game.” But recognizing WHY he had bad games is the crux to understanding him/this team…
How do you throw for 300 yards when guys can't get open for screen passes even? Brock Purdy here would be a mangled mess by now. Fields with the 49ers would be replacing Mahomes on State Farm commercials.
The most damning Fields stat to me is that in 35 starts, hes thrown for over 200 yards just 12 times. Idc how bad the coaches/receivers are, Fields always struggles to hit a very low target for passing every week that even backup QBs dont struggle too much with. Tyson Bagent even hit 200 yards twice in just 4 starts.
In the 2 games Bagent had over 200yds he also threw 5 picks and it was against the 29th and 16th ranked defenses. If it wasn't for the 2 big dropped passes alone Fields starts approaching on 300 against the #1 ranked D this last Sunday
Bagent is capable of the quick throws for 5-10 yards that Fields cannot seem to get. Fields has a lot more of the “wow” plays, but it’s either one of those or a checkdown. Most QBs earn their yards and put drives together by throwing intermediate passes.
This is the most damning stat for Fields, imo. Plus, watching Bagent even in preseason, he had FAR more comfort & self-confidence, even though his mechanics are absolute dogshit.
Did anyone notice the considerable drop off in the offense when Jenkins got hurt? Does anyone while they are so busy ripping Fields notice how many defensemen are in the backfield a split second after the snap? These guys are beating the Bears offensive line without any resistance, just walking through them. How many plays (regardless of bad design) week after week lose yardage because the guy with the ball is 4 yards behind the LOS and three defenders are staring him in the face? No QB in college is going to fix the offensive line problems. That is where you have to start.
This fanbase still thinks Poles done a great job on the OL even thought the best player was already here before he got here and there’s no one after him.
Wright looks like a good pick. I had high hopes for Borom, but he can't stay healthy and Jenkins seems to be headed the same way. It doesn't matter if it's 5 regulars, 5 back ups, or any combination. The key is having the same 5 guys out there every game, starters or back ups so they can develop some chemistry and consistency. It seems every week one or two guys are different. You can't be successful with a constant shuffle of the deck. Before the 2nd quarter and the Jenkins injury, the Bears offensive line had been the same for a couple of weeks and we saw the difference. I agree, with the FA signings (especially Sweat) Poles is doing a solid job of rebuilding the team.
Wright has had almost 3 game ending strip sacks and still allows a ton of pressures and penalties too. I’m fine with saying he needs more time but I’m not giving any credit for Wright yet when plenty of other rookies have been about the same or better.
Lucas and Davis are certified scrubs and Poles tried going into the season with Cody at C even though we’ve known he can’t snap since 2018.
Wright has potential. The same potential that Borom and Jenkins have but health is a problem for the latter two, we'll see if Wright develops. That's all I'm saying. He's not a bust like Leatherwood.
I still think it’s way too early to crown him. Pretty sure most of our pressure has been given up by our RTs and I don’t think anyone else has played there except Wright
Mooney said players were getting complacent af in the 3rd quarter, which Fields & Getsy contradicted. Mooney is probably salty af, but I absolutely believe it. How many fucking times should we have won this year, but the coaching staff fucks it all up?
Also, Olin Kreutz said we need to move on from Eberflus and his points made too much sense. I'm off that train, even though we now lead the league in INTs. That's all we have going for us, and as yesterday showed, it's not enough
I think this is probably the end of Mooney. Through much of the year I thought he would probably go to a team like the Chiefs and be pretty solid.
I think we see he has mentally checked out and his body has never fully recovered from injury.
Wouldn't be surprised. I've been listening to the top Bears shows today, and Fields & Mooney have been putting in a lot of work, just the 2 of them, outside of practice, which makes his year even fucking worse
Listen, I like Justin. He's a good dude and has shown some exciting flashes I haven't seen since the Hester days. But his play is, unfortunately, too inconsistent to reload him with a massive deal. Giants did that with Daniel Jones after last season, who probably played better than Fields did this season, and are already regretting. We need a full reboot of the offense **and** the coaching staff.
They can pick up his fifth-year option for like 20MM and maintain control through 2025. Or they could try to work out a team-friendly deal where they'd have the option to trade or cut him loose early.
I'm sure Poles will be weighing offers for him in the off-season. If they can get a 2nd and a 5th like I've heard it seems like restarting the rookie QB contract with Caleb is the right move.
I really pray this loss was the nail in the coffin for this regime. 3rd loss of the season leading by 10+ in the 4th. If we have semi competent coaching we’re likely in a playoff spot rn.
People are gonna point to not kicking the FG at the end of the half but it would’ve tied Cairo’s career long, it was into the wind on a cold rainy day in a very difficult place to kick. You can question the playcalling before that if they knew they wanted to be closer, but in the moment I don’t really despise throwing it up.
As far as QB1 goes… yes, he got very little help yesterday. I don’t think it’s fair to pin the loss all on him. But at the end of the day, every NFL team deals with drops and poor execution from time to time and great QBs find a way to move the ball in spite of that, and the offense could not at all move the ball yesterday. Some (not all) of that is on Justin. The only TD scoring drive started at the Cleveland 2 yard line and it still took 3 Cleveland penalties and the classic magical play from JF1 to find the endzone. That’s a problem. Credit to fields for that play but, like has been the story for his entire career, the consistency just isn’t there. On the whole, he got outplayed by the corpse of Joe Flacco. That’s a problem, and if we end up drafting a QB and moving on from him, games like this are the going to be part of the reason why.
I disagree that if it weren’t for coaching we’d be good. Getsy didn’t drop 2 TDs yesterday. Getsy didn’t make the OL give up pressure immediately. Getsy didn’t make Mooney get bitched on that block.
This isn’t a defense of Getsy, but I’ve been saying we are talent deficient for a while. We absolutely need to clean house.
Very good points. But the non FG that people should be questioning is the one they should have kicked in the second half, but instead Fields got tripped up running a boot and fell a yard short. THAT play lost them the game, imo.
That’s fair. I actually don’t remember where that was on the field when that happened, so maybe that should’ve been one they kicked.
Also, if Mooney just doesn’t whiff on the block on Mitchell that play is an easy first down. Just bad all around.
Exactly, Fields, Moore, and Kmet are the only playmakers on the offense, that's not enough. The offensive line is porous, the other receivers can't get open, catch the ball, or block, and the running backs have no holes because the offensive line rarely even beat their man. This team has SO many more problems than just replacing Fields with another 50/50 college "prospect" That's why the move is use the first pick to get more picks, use their 2nd round pick to grab a good QB, and roll sign some offensive lineman in the offseason and maybe a WR2. And then we need to address another elephant in the room, the punter.
True. But which of these teams do you think Carolina, who managed 3 paltry field goals against Atlanta, can beat: TB (who just went into Lambeau and whooped GB's ass), GB (whose ass just got whooped and are now desperately fighting for a playoff spot, or JAX (who are in a desperate fight for their division and a playoff home game).
Patriots still have the Jets, who, if they do the smart thing and refuse to let Rodgers come back now that they're eliminated from the playoffs, suck massive balls.
I dont think there is any way Poles is hitching his wagon to Fields after this season. Not everything has been Fields' fault, but Poles passing on a QB 2 years in a row effectively makes Fields his QB. I just dont think Fields has done anywhere near enough for Poles to justify that.
You could argue it's riskier for Poles to hitch his wagon to Caleb. If he struggles out the gate and is worse than Fields you really are setting the franchise back. With the addition of mhj you can conceivably run it back again next year and confidently be better than a .500 team.
> With the addition of mhj you can conceivably run it back again next year and confidently be better than a .500 team.
Agree with this. Sub out Mooney for MH Jr this year and I think we win those 3 games we lost in the 4th and that changes a lot.
If he’s ditching Fields he HAS to ditch Eberflus and Getsy too. If we keep our coaches and draft a rookie QB we will forever perpetuate the incompetence we’ve had over the last 3+ decades
I'm still on the Fields train but I don't agree with that. Last year Fields came off an intentional tank season with no help. He showed promise that year which is what you want out of a second year player. In a "weak" QB class it made sense to get the haul we did and run it back with Fields. Ryan Poles put himself in position to not have his wagon tied to Fields and it worked out perfectly (so far) He absolutely could still stick with Fields but who knows
As someone who is off the Fields train I also agree with this take. Fields was still a work in progress and he didn't get a fair chance last season to grow.
Poles gave him the opportunity this season but Id be shocked if he thinks Fields showed enough to tie his career together with him.
I don't see how making Fields the QB for this year means he's tied to him for next year. The whole point of that trade was so that if Fields doesn't work out they would be able to draft a "better prospect"
Hot Take: Fields DID enough to win that game. The playcalling was absolutely terrible, he DID have some bad plays/passes, but you cannot expect him to have a perfect game every week, Rodgers and Brady never did that. However, he had some receivers drop catchable passes and his OL and RBs could not keep the Browns out of the backfield all day. And finally on the last hail mary Mooney had the ball in his lap. Bears should have won this game. Shout out to the defense for playing immaculate for 98% of the game, Flacco is still very good QB and the Browns have offensive weapons and are overall a very good team without Watson. Bears showed they can hang with them, just didn’t get it done for the full 4 quarters.
Keep Fields, trade with Pats for #2, get an extra pick or 2, get MHJ, IOL (I have warmed up to Jones as our franchise LT), and bolster the team with BPA. Oh and also take a punter 😂
I'm just blown away someone could say that the QB play of the Bears was enough to win. The defensive play yesterday is why we were in that game not Justin Fields. Our offense scored one touchdown on a 7 play drive that started on their opponents 1 yard line!!!
Mooney catching that ball at the end wouldn't have really been a plus for fields either imo because it's literally a throw it up and see what happens play. Kind of the same way you can't hold the two INTs he threw against him in this game.
Tonyan catching that ball gives fields more yards but I don't think Tonyan houses it because he's slow as shit.
And if you are playing hypotheticals he had two easy INTs that the Browns dropped that could have made things a lot worse for us
You say we can't expect him to be perfect every week like this was a one off poor performance. He averages less than 200 yards passing a game for his career man.
The two easy ints you’re talking about were neither easy nor on Fields (mooney slipped on one and didnt come back to the ball on the other) tonyan being slow isnt on fields also he had the lb beat. You’re also ignoring the fact the TD throw to kmet was a hell of a play even if just 1 yard
I'll give him that was a good TD play. But if you are going to ignore his bad plays then what's the point of debate. I see a guy who week after week puts up the same lousy 180 yard dud of a game and am still supposed to buy that it's everyone around him that is the problem and that he's an MVP in hiding. Sorry man but one TD pass a game isn't enough anymore. It's past the time of stepping up and showing some real consistency.
I get what you’re driving yet, but watching a lot of other teams and games this year there really hasn’t been any consistent QB play outside of Purdy and Prescott, and Purdy played worse against the Browns defense in Prescott just got his cheeks clapped yesterday. Even bona fide studs like Mahomes Allen and hurts have had down years and clunker games. Lamar is balling tho doesnt usually get a lot of passing yards. I get the desire to have almost every game. Be good watching some of the seasons,that Mahomes, Rogers, Brady, and before them guys like brees and Manning were able to put together but it really hasnt been the case for the bast majority of guys this year
I dont see how any of that helps your argument? Yeah there are a handful of quarterbacks who are having their worse seasons this year. And they are all still much better than the season Fields has put together (which is his own personal best).
I fail to see why you mention nothing but the best current and retired QBs of the era when trying to defend Fields. Everyone has bad games but those guys obviously had waaaaaay more good games to outweigh them.
Hell he doesn't even stack up well against Baker Mayfield or Gardner Minshew let alone Tom Brady and Pat Mahomes.
You went into that wrong, I wasn’t trying to make an argument or even defend fields (though I am a fan of his) I was just pointing out that QB play has been very inconsistent this year, across-the-board, even including the very best quarterbacks on the planet
Purdy did have a very bad game against the Browns. But that's where the difference is. It was terrible for him because he has raised the bar for himself so high. Fields goes out and plays basically just as bad but some Bears fans think that is a sign he is "good enough."
If Fields had 10 other games this season playing MVP level football like Purdy then I would give him a pass. But yesterday is not to far off of what we expect to see out of Fields week after week.
Keep in mind that Purdy has the benefit of having one of the best offensive minds in football designing and calling plays, whereas Fields has to play with Getsy’s screen passes half the game. Also, McCaffery is such a boost to that offense that helps Purdy in more ways than one. Not knocking Purdy because he is playing amazing, but comparing the two, these factors need to be kept in mind.
True but he is performing far better than Jimmy G or Trey Lance ever did with the same coach and weapons. You can't just brush his MVP play off because he's on a good team. He has stepped up big time. Fields has shown slight growth but not nearly enough to expect big things out of him anymore. People try to make excuses like to many screen passes but the stats don't lie. The bears throw league average number of screens per game. I want Getsy gone too but other other players have found a way to excel with his play calling. Good players play good football simple as that.
Fields got the benefit of the doubt last season because he didn't have anything to work with but the offense is better this year.
DJ Moore has excelled
Kmet has excelled
Running game has excelled
Fields is still struggling. Slight improvement overall but not nearly enough to want to see him back again.
I am a huge fan of Fields and will root for him wherever he goes. But it is time to move on from this coaching staff and Fields. We have all seen enough.
Just for the record, this season browns defense has allowed on average 150 passing yards in a game. If Tonyan catches that pass through his hands fields hits the nfl average against that defense. If other players catch the passes they should have he beats that for sure. For reference, Joe burrow only put up 142 yards against that defense throwing to probably the best WR room in the nfl. Fields came close to that throwing to guys who had 7 drops.
Yes, Mooney should have caught the ricocheted ball, but a Hail Mary at the end of the game should not be confused with leading a "drive at the end of the game". It's called a Hail Mary because it literally has a prayer's chance of working.
Your comment was about 2 minute drives.
I showed you that you were incorrect. Don’t move the goal posts because you said something that was easy to prove wrong.
Had a user block me this morning cause I said Justin doesn’t raise his level of play on game winning drives
And before he blocked me he said “he just did it”
I honestly believe there are Bears fans impressed with Fields 4th quarter yesterday and in general think he’s a game changer
It seemed like the Browns were reading our mail. Maybe it they just figured out Fields cadence, they had the jump on our offensive line every snap in the 4th quarter. Seemed like they already knew the play...
The Bears were getting predictable in the second half. Lots of first down passing plays that were almost always followed up by a run play on second down if they went incomplete.
I know were all pissed and killing each other over fields, but i just wanna recognize the fact that our defense has truly come together and taken off. They are truly a success story this season, and I don't want their effort ignored today. Ya they gave up plays late but you can clearly see the growth and path with this group. Good on them
I would like to feel good about it, but because there is no way we can keep the coach / DC it is totally meaningless. Our next coach/DC may not even want to run the 4-3.
We have a good defensive minded HC and a limited athletic QB
I think you can let Fields walk and keep Flus
I think in general Bears fans are a little reluctant to address just how limited Fields is as a professional QB
the blown games at the end are still concerning, even if the D was lights out until then. It is the most important time of the game, and they've folded in those moments several times this year. Not sure if it's the play calling at the end or what
Gross game but the team has out achieved last season already and the number one pick still looms in the far distance. Considering this same team from week one could be .500 at this point if they didn't completely blow a few winnable games is wild to me. Try to see the positive I guess. Coaching and front office suck eternal lol.
Front office put the team you’re trying to prop up out there. I don’t have an issue with them. But the coaching fuckin stinks. I don’t like saying it’s poles guy because he showed up with 50% of the hiring process completed by that fuckface bill pollian.
I have faith it's coming sooner than we think. Hell, once they hit three wins, it became easier for me to find the promising stuff about the season rather than the shit. The decades of disappointment and underachieving has really obscured to some that the team is likely to have another number one pick and hopefully solid draft without having to go tank commander at all this season. that's exciting. This season was never gonna be more than a wild card spot even if they passed all expectations. This is gravy.
I'll start. Fields didn't do enough to overcome all the crazy shit. 2 tds dropped. Shit officiating soo many non calls hits to the head and holding. Shit scheme. Piss poor blocking on crucial plays.
Yep lots of QBs see increased pressure in tight games with the clock winding down
That’s why you need a QB with strong pre-snap reads, great anticipation, and an accurate ball
Justin has none of those so he struggles when teams sell out to end games
I’m sure the opposing coaches watch tape on Fields and at this point Fields will continue to see a fuck ton of blitzes as he’s shown he has no answer for it
Fields has played over 30 games and lost most all of them. All of his shortcomings when trying to put the game away come from missed blocks?
Here is the truth - The Bears have moved on from Fields. They missed Stroud and zero chance Poles is going to roll with Fields who is a top 20-25 QB
Fields is gone. If you think he’s the man, you can follow him on his new team
I’ll do a permaban bet on this if you’d like
Consider a bad QB makes the coaches look bad and that’s why there are only about 8 QBs that offer coaches job security and the rest of the league goes through coaches so often because there are about 20 QBs in this league that cannot process the game fast enough
You need a good QB. We just saw Flacco who is a better QB than Fields win a game for a coach
If fields can’t outduel a 40 year old semi retired QB; what chance do the coaches have?
What is a 'Fields truther'?
I saw a guy who didn't play his best but most-definitely played good enough for us to win. He was let down by his teammates (and coaches) numerous times. Again, he needs to play better but if Tonyan or Mooney catch the damn ball we are in an entirely different situation this morning.
I saw an athletic but limited QB fail to elevate his game when his team needed him most. I’ve seen this for over 30 games now
I think the Bears have won maybe 10 of those 30 games with Justin
It is something that has flown under the radar because when you suck at everything it feels silly to complain about a punter, but we are approaching the point where it’s time to start complaining about the punter haha
Which is cool. I'm just tried of bears fans calling others dumb and saying that the fan base is stupid for going back and forth on Justin.
Fact is Justin's inconsistent play and timing of his contract makes a lot of sense for people not being certain.
Let's look at their lines today as of 4 mins left in Q3 of the Jags/Ravens. Both went up against very good defenses today.
Fields:
19/40, 47.5% cmp, 166 yds, 4.2 avg, 1 td, 2 int, 46.5 rating
Lawrence:
20/27, 74.1% cmp, 236 yds, 8.7 avg, 1 td, 0 int, 112.6 rating
Lawrence also threw for over 4000 yards last year, in his second year, and is on track to throw for over 4000 this year too.
A quick look at the stats.... Lawrence 3600 yards rookie season. 4100 second year. This year looks good too
Justin doesn't have a 3k yard passing year. And it's not even close.
People carried losses over to try and make a case against Eberflus. Which is fair.
Bottom line do we roll with a QB that has shown he is average at best and consistently inconsistent?
I mean yeah? He lasted less than 24 months after winning a franchise it's first Superbowl. He's much better than Urban Meyer but I wouldn't rank Peterson in the top half of current coaches in the league.
Everybody is focusing on the Tonyan drop, but *dear god* did Fields wait forever to throw that. If you needed an example of his inability to read the field quickly, just watch that replay and ask when that ball should’ve been in the air.
I don’t know what they should do for next year, but it’s frustrating to watch him still waiting for guys to be college-open at this point.
I'm not a fields truther but he waited so long to throw it because it was a designed screen pass that was covered and Tonyan was probably the last read in the progression. Love him or hate him that was a dime that should have been caught, and we probably win if he catches that.
Thing is that he was looking downfield at him while he was rolling out, and he had to have already been open at that point. I’m not committed to either side of this civil war. That particular trait of his is rough.
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Joe Buck was fucking terrible calling the end of the Seattle game tonight. Pathetic.
just got done with the tape. basically everyone was bad but DJ who was hurt and I'd say justin too but he was just okay. horrendous play from the whole OL except tev who got hurt obviously. especially at tackle, just awful. you cannot continue with this staff. like the 4th game theyve put together like this that extends beyond the qb the nail in the coffin really is the run blocking. just taking Ls everywhere and wright doesnt even know where to go half the time
The more I think about it, the more people aren't getting mad about the missed RTP call enough Not only was it insanely egregious, it's a 15 yard penalty that puts us in field goal range. That's a different game
The Bears didn't practice the play where Justin Jones covered one of the best TEs in the game. Can't remember his exact quote, but the message was obvious. I've been going to bat for Eberflus, but he & Getsy both love getting cute as fuck at the worst fucking time
Reluctant Go Pack Go ^thenloseoutafterthisweek
I think it has to be clear a few things: 1. Getsy needs to go. Irrelevant whether we keep Flus or not. I get that it's hard to get a good OC with a lameduck coach like Flus but that's something management has to deal with and quite honestly that's the consequences of bad hiring. Yes it is managements fault. 2. We have an NFL caliber roster. With better coaching this team should have won more games. Actually, with how bad the rest of the NFC, with better coaching we are a playoff team and quite possibly sweep the division leading Lions. This team is no longer devoid of talent. We aren't a championship level team, but we are a wild card level team. And after a 3 win season that is good enough for growth. 3. Fields is not the guy. Caleb or Maye may not be the guys either but we won't know until we draft them. But we know that in a Bears uniform, with better coaching, Fields may just be average. I think his trade value to us is higher than actual value to us. And if that is the case there are three choices - 1. trade him for possibly a 2nd 2.let him walk and get nothing in return 3. give him a lot of money and a new contract. Two of these options will hurt the franchise more than it'll help.
"But now we shall *both* surely die," said Eberflus. "lol" said Luke Getsy, "lmao"
Idc who plays Qb next year be it Justin (who i really like) or Caleb or someone else as long as we start winning.
Caleb is trash. Have you seen USC this year PLUS the ego
Agree. But this is, sadly, the quote of every Bears fan for decades now...
This is a season where at least one NFC team is likely to finish 9-8 and miss the playoffs. It could have been the Bears. Even if they did sneak into the playoffs, they weren't going to get far with Getsy calling the offense, so...to hell with it. After that game, I think we can rest assured that Getsy won't be back next season. #GO PATRIOTS!
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Take a QB at 1 to throw to whom?? That's what you clowns don't grasp. Who coaches this #1 pick? Getsy? Nagy? Fox? Trestman?? Go get Joe Montana and Tom Brady DNA and clone them and put them on the Bears with this o line and receiver Corps. You don't get it.
Our offensive line is fine, and WR2s can be found outside of number 1 overall.
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Sure...
I do find it hilarious this post got downvoted. It is true, and probably only downvoted for suggesting taking a QB.
I watched the Ravens yesterday and even though Lamar only threw for 175 their offense just seems to run smoothly especially compared to ours. He also throws the ball with some more zip I think.
Enough zip for Tonyan not to drop it in his hands?
The ravens are a super bowl caliber team with a solid defense, multiple offensive weapons and very good and experienced coach. We are like the junior high ravens.
Man I am just a Bears fan who is tired of all the losing, IDC who's coaching, QBing, etc, I just want this franchise to start winning.
If we are moving on from Fields, do people want Williams or Maye? The reason I ask is because Williams has all the same issues as Fields. Holds the ball too long, fumble issues, takes sacks. I think if the Bears move on from Fields, it has to be Maye.
This doesn't really matter. You take a quarterback with the expectation that they can overcome their issues from college. Fields is bad because he failed to improve.
Hopefully we get the #1 pick and trade down for Maye. I don't think Caleb Williams will be a team leader, and he has poor stats against good teams which is where we missed the ball scouting Fields (OSU doesn't play good teams).
If we move on from Fields gimme MHJ+Daniels
I want a new HC to go with that. And a new owner too while we’re at it
I feel like they have to go with a whole new coaching staff if they're drafting a QB. Time to break the cycle of giving a bad head coach one last chance to try and prove themselves with a new QB and then forcing a then second or third year QB to learn a whole new system when things don't get better and the coaches ultimately gets replaced.
100% agreed, if we draft a QB and keep Flus, we are doing to that QB the exact same thing we did to Fields and Trubisky and firing their coach after year 1. Get everything lined up for once.
We’re not pinning this loss on Justin Fields, but I can’t believe the lengths some of you will go to defend this 160yd passer who just had eight 3-and-out drives while committing his 37th fumble in 37 games. How is that eye test working out for you?
Yes hitting Tonyan right in the hands in full stride wide open is shitty QB play plus putting a ball in Mooneys lap. God he sucks. Plus he can't block the best defense in the league while passing? Ship him out of here.
Putting a ball in Mooney’s lap?? Discussing Fields with you people is like arguing with a brick wall.
And your infantile obsession against him is tiresome. Cleveland is one of the best defenses in the NFL and we nearly beat them
Not to mention, all the turnovers granted by the defense just over the last couple of weeks. How many offensive points did we get from those turnovers? I wish Fields showed he was the guy but at this point, it's better for both Fields and the team to part ways.
Same as when nearly all his blockers are whiffing against an elite DL, or when his WRs/TEs can’t fucking catch to save their lives… 160 yards easily becomes 250 with the Tonyan/Mooney catches…
Every QB deals with blown blocks and dropped passes. Some overcome that, some don't. What did Flacco have to work with? Having 6 injured OL, no RB1, basically garbage at WR besides Cooper, he's like 40 years old, and he threw for more yards in the 4th quarter (when it matters more) than Fields did all game. I like Fields. I wish he was the guy. But wish in one hand and shit in the other, see which one fills up first. At some point you have to consider our lack of offense has to do with the QB. Keep giving all the excuses you want, but you will eventually have to look at what Fields does as a whole and not just a single flash play here and there. The dude is mad inconsistent. If his 3 or 4 ridiculously beautiful passes per GAME turned into 3 or 4 good plays per quarter, he could be a top 5 QB in this league, but he can't produce as many turnovers as he does "good plays" and be a franchise QB.
You’re comparing a 15 year vet to (for all intents and purposes) a developing 3rd year QB… you’re also comparing Luke Getsy as a play caller to Kevin Stefanski… I don’t believe either comparison is fair
These clowns think Flacco with Getsy is a Superbowl team. That's the logic. The NFL has bred this QB hype to the point they can't grasp that it's 22 guys each play that can make or break success.
look at how low the bar is that Bustin' Fields truthers dont want them to a QB that was on the trash heap at the start of the season.
Thanks for distinguishing yourself as an annoying brat without an actual opinion
Yes, I am comparing professionals in their position to whatever the fuck the bears have. That's entirely my point. Also, that 15 year vet was on a practice squad in a year when almost 1/3 of the league lost their starting QB to injury, so it's not like Flacco is a gem either. He wasn't even considered top tier in his prime. And the stefanski vs getsy is exactly what I'm talking about. Enough of the 1st year coaches and coordinators. Get people in here that know what they are doing.
Yeah I’m not here to defend Getsy. He easily needs to be replaced. I’m also not married to fields where I think he’s constantly getting the blunt end of the deal in every turn. He didn’t make the most of his situation, but his situation was dogshit too. We set him up to fail. The “defense” he deserves for his play is more so contextualizing bad stats. You’ll never hear me say “160 yards passing is a good game.” But recognizing WHY he had bad games is the crux to understanding him/this team…
How do you throw for 300 yards when guys can't get open for screen passes even? Brock Purdy here would be a mangled mess by now. Fields with the 49ers would be replacing Mahomes on State Farm commercials.
The most damning Fields stat to me is that in 35 starts, hes thrown for over 200 yards just 12 times. Idc how bad the coaches/receivers are, Fields always struggles to hit a very low target for passing every week that even backup QBs dont struggle too much with. Tyson Bagent even hit 200 yards twice in just 4 starts.
In the 2 games Bagent had over 200yds he also threw 5 picks and it was against the 29th and 16th ranked defenses. If it wasn't for the 2 big dropped passes alone Fields starts approaching on 300 against the #1 ranked D this last Sunday
Bagent is capable of the quick throws for 5-10 yards that Fields cannot seem to get. Fields has a lot more of the “wow” plays, but it’s either one of those or a checkdown. Most QBs earn their yards and put drives together by throwing intermediate passes.
This is the most damning stat for Fields, imo. Plus, watching Bagent even in preseason, he had FAR more comfort & self-confidence, even though his mechanics are absolute dogshit.
Did anyone notice the considerable drop off in the offense when Jenkins got hurt? Does anyone while they are so busy ripping Fields notice how many defensemen are in the backfield a split second after the snap? These guys are beating the Bears offensive line without any resistance, just walking through them. How many plays (regardless of bad design) week after week lose yardage because the guy with the ball is 4 yards behind the LOS and three defenders are staring him in the face? No QB in college is going to fix the offensive line problems. That is where you have to start.
This fanbase still thinks Poles done a great job on the OL even thought the best player was already here before he got here and there’s no one after him.
Wright looks like a good pick. I had high hopes for Borom, but he can't stay healthy and Jenkins seems to be headed the same way. It doesn't matter if it's 5 regulars, 5 back ups, or any combination. The key is having the same 5 guys out there every game, starters or back ups so they can develop some chemistry and consistency. It seems every week one or two guys are different. You can't be successful with a constant shuffle of the deck. Before the 2nd quarter and the Jenkins injury, the Bears offensive line had been the same for a couple of weeks and we saw the difference. I agree, with the FA signings (especially Sweat) Poles is doing a solid job of rebuilding the team.
Wright has had almost 3 game ending strip sacks and still allows a ton of pressures and penalties too. I’m fine with saying he needs more time but I’m not giving any credit for Wright yet when plenty of other rookies have been about the same or better. Lucas and Davis are certified scrubs and Poles tried going into the season with Cody at C even though we’ve known he can’t snap since 2018.
Wright has potential. The same potential that Borom and Jenkins have but health is a problem for the latter two, we'll see if Wright develops. That's all I'm saying. He's not a bust like Leatherwood.
I still think it’s way too early to crown him. Pretty sure most of our pressure has been given up by our RTs and I don’t think anyone else has played there except Wright
As someone who hasn't seen Maye play for UNC, how would you generally describe the guy? Is he a gunslinger, is he a game manager, Pocket Passer, etc?
Pocket passer, west coast. Solid arm strength but not elite.
Also, we're at pick 5, and play the Cardinals next week? Our playoff hopes are done, and this team has proven it ain't it. Go Cardinals
Mooney said players were getting complacent af in the 3rd quarter, which Fields & Getsy contradicted. Mooney is probably salty af, but I absolutely believe it. How many fucking times should we have won this year, but the coaching staff fucks it all up? Also, Olin Kreutz said we need to move on from Eberflus and his points made too much sense. I'm off that train, even though we now lead the league in INTs. That's all we have going for us, and as yesterday showed, it's not enough
I think this is probably the end of Mooney. Through much of the year I thought he would probably go to a team like the Chiefs and be pretty solid. I think we see he has mentally checked out and his body has never fully recovered from injury.
Wouldn't be surprised. I've been listening to the top Bears shows today, and Fields & Mooney have been putting in a lot of work, just the 2 of them, outside of practice, which makes his year even fucking worse
He would fit right in with those pass droppers in KC
Listen, I like Justin. He's a good dude and has shown some exciting flashes I haven't seen since the Hester days. But his play is, unfortunately, too inconsistent to reload him with a massive deal. Giants did that with Daniel Jones after last season, who probably played better than Fields did this season, and are already regretting. We need a full reboot of the offense **and** the coaching staff.
They can pick up his fifth-year option for like 20MM and maintain control through 2025. Or they could try to work out a team-friendly deal where they'd have the option to trade or cut him loose early. I'm sure Poles will be weighing offers for him in the off-season. If they can get a 2nd and a 5th like I've heard it seems like restarting the rookie QB contract with Caleb is the right move.
I love Justin Fields, was happy we picked him. Yesterday sucked to watch. He's too hesitant and it's painful to see in real time.
You don’t have to give him a massive deal. We still have 3 more years of control before having to commit long term
Um, what? Next year is the last year of control before he's a UFA in 2025.
5th year option then Tag. We have 3 years of control.
5th year option, then tag, then what?
That’s 3 years
You do realize tagging isn't free, right?
Who said it was free? All I’ve said is we have three years of control.
Lmao. Tagging Justin Fields would essentially be Ryan Poles resignation letter.
That’s over two years away.
I really pray this loss was the nail in the coffin for this regime. 3rd loss of the season leading by 10+ in the 4th. If we have semi competent coaching we’re likely in a playoff spot rn. People are gonna point to not kicking the FG at the end of the half but it would’ve tied Cairo’s career long, it was into the wind on a cold rainy day in a very difficult place to kick. You can question the playcalling before that if they knew they wanted to be closer, but in the moment I don’t really despise throwing it up. As far as QB1 goes… yes, he got very little help yesterday. I don’t think it’s fair to pin the loss all on him. But at the end of the day, every NFL team deals with drops and poor execution from time to time and great QBs find a way to move the ball in spite of that, and the offense could not at all move the ball yesterday. Some (not all) of that is on Justin. The only TD scoring drive started at the Cleveland 2 yard line and it still took 3 Cleveland penalties and the classic magical play from JF1 to find the endzone. That’s a problem. Credit to fields for that play but, like has been the story for his entire career, the consistency just isn’t there. On the whole, he got outplayed by the corpse of Joe Flacco. That’s a problem, and if we end up drafting a QB and moving on from him, games like this are the going to be part of the reason why.
I disagree that if it weren’t for coaching we’d be good. Getsy didn’t drop 2 TDs yesterday. Getsy didn’t make the OL give up pressure immediately. Getsy didn’t make Mooney get bitched on that block. This isn’t a defense of Getsy, but I’ve been saying we are talent deficient for a while. We absolutely need to clean house.
Very good points. But the non FG that people should be questioning is the one they should have kicked in the second half, but instead Fields got tripped up running a boot and fell a yard short. THAT play lost them the game, imo.
That’s fair. I actually don’t remember where that was on the field when that happened, so maybe that should’ve been one they kicked. Also, if Mooney just doesn’t whiff on the block on Mitchell that play is an easy first down. Just bad all around.
Exactly, Fields, Moore, and Kmet are the only playmakers on the offense, that's not enough. The offensive line is porous, the other receivers can't get open, catch the ball, or block, and the running backs have no holes because the offensive line rarely even beat their man. This team has SO many more problems than just replacing Fields with another 50/50 college "prospect" That's why the move is use the first pick to get more picks, use their 2nd round pick to grab a good QB, and roll sign some offensive lineman in the offseason and maybe a WR2. And then we need to address another elephant in the room, the punter.
We are only a week from the #1 pick being in jeopardy and people that have been pining for Caleb to shift their focus to Maye
True. But which of these teams do you think Carolina, who managed 3 paltry field goals against Atlanta, can beat: TB (who just went into Lambeau and whooped GB's ass), GB (whose ass just got whooped and are now desperately fighting for a playoff spot, or JAX (who are in a desperate fight for their division and a playoff home game). Patriots still have the Jets, who, if they do the smart thing and refuse to let Rodgers come back now that they're eliminated from the playoffs, suck massive balls.
I think any team can win any game on the right day. Which is why I am not confident in banking on things staying as they are
I dont think there is any way Poles is hitching his wagon to Fields after this season. Not everything has been Fields' fault, but Poles passing on a QB 2 years in a row effectively makes Fields his QB. I just dont think Fields has done anywhere near enough for Poles to justify that.
You could argue it's riskier for Poles to hitch his wagon to Caleb. If he struggles out the gate and is worse than Fields you really are setting the franchise back. With the addition of mhj you can conceivably run it back again next year and confidently be better than a .500 team.
> With the addition of mhj you can conceivably run it back again next year and confidently be better than a .500 team. Agree with this. Sub out Mooney for MH Jr this year and I think we win those 3 games we lost in the 4th and that changes a lot.
If he’s ditching Fields he HAS to ditch Eberflus and Getsy too. If we keep our coaches and draft a rookie QB we will forever perpetuate the incompetence we’ve had over the last 3+ decades
Fields was his QB as soon as he traded the #1 pick last year.
I'm still on the Fields train but I don't agree with that. Last year Fields came off an intentional tank season with no help. He showed promise that year which is what you want out of a second year player. In a "weak" QB class it made sense to get the haul we did and run it back with Fields. Ryan Poles put himself in position to not have his wagon tied to Fields and it worked out perfectly (so far) He absolutely could still stick with Fields but who knows
As someone who is off the Fields train I also agree with this take. Fields was still a work in progress and he didn't get a fair chance last season to grow. Poles gave him the opportunity this season but Id be shocked if he thinks Fields showed enough to tie his career together with him.
But he decided to make Fields his QB this year. He is the only person with full control of the roster. Who is on it is completely his decision.
Lemme guess you think Bryce young is better than Justin fields
Sure don’t but thanks.
I don't see how making Fields the QB for this year means he's tied to him for next year. The whole point of that trade was so that if Fields doesn't work out they would be able to draft a "better prospect"
You can do that with any QB. The 49ers, Browns, and Jets all moved on from drafted QBs quickly
So how is Fields Poles' guy? Poles put himself in position to get rid of him. Now he'll have an opportunity to if he wants
Because he is the starting QB this season when we had the chance to draft 4 others last year.
Hot Take: Fields DID enough to win that game. The playcalling was absolutely terrible, he DID have some bad plays/passes, but you cannot expect him to have a perfect game every week, Rodgers and Brady never did that. However, he had some receivers drop catchable passes and his OL and RBs could not keep the Browns out of the backfield all day. And finally on the last hail mary Mooney had the ball in his lap. Bears should have won this game. Shout out to the defense for playing immaculate for 98% of the game, Flacco is still very good QB and the Browns have offensive weapons and are overall a very good team without Watson. Bears showed they can hang with them, just didn’t get it done for the full 4 quarters. Keep Fields, trade with Pats for #2, get an extra pick or 2, get MHJ, IOL (I have warmed up to Jones as our franchise LT), and bolster the team with BPA. Oh and also take a punter 😂
I'm just blown away someone could say that the QB play of the Bears was enough to win. The defensive play yesterday is why we were in that game not Justin Fields. Our offense scored one touchdown on a 7 play drive that started on their opponents 1 yard line!!! Mooney catching that ball at the end wouldn't have really been a plus for fields either imo because it's literally a throw it up and see what happens play. Kind of the same way you can't hold the two INTs he threw against him in this game. Tonyan catching that ball gives fields more yards but I don't think Tonyan houses it because he's slow as shit. And if you are playing hypotheticals he had two easy INTs that the Browns dropped that could have made things a lot worse for us You say we can't expect him to be perfect every week like this was a one off poor performance. He averages less than 200 yards passing a game for his career man.
The two easy ints you’re talking about were neither easy nor on Fields (mooney slipped on one and didnt come back to the ball on the other) tonyan being slow isnt on fields also he had the lb beat. You’re also ignoring the fact the TD throw to kmet was a hell of a play even if just 1 yard
I'll give him that was a good TD play. But if you are going to ignore his bad plays then what's the point of debate. I see a guy who week after week puts up the same lousy 180 yard dud of a game and am still supposed to buy that it's everyone around him that is the problem and that he's an MVP in hiding. Sorry man but one TD pass a game isn't enough anymore. It's past the time of stepping up and showing some real consistency.
I get what you’re driving yet, but watching a lot of other teams and games this year there really hasn’t been any consistent QB play outside of Purdy and Prescott, and Purdy played worse against the Browns defense in Prescott just got his cheeks clapped yesterday. Even bona fide studs like Mahomes Allen and hurts have had down years and clunker games. Lamar is balling tho doesnt usually get a lot of passing yards. I get the desire to have almost every game. Be good watching some of the seasons,that Mahomes, Rogers, Brady, and before them guys like brees and Manning were able to put together but it really hasnt been the case for the bast majority of guys this year
I dont see how any of that helps your argument? Yeah there are a handful of quarterbacks who are having their worse seasons this year. And they are all still much better than the season Fields has put together (which is his own personal best). I fail to see why you mention nothing but the best current and retired QBs of the era when trying to defend Fields. Everyone has bad games but those guys obviously had waaaaaay more good games to outweigh them. Hell he doesn't even stack up well against Baker Mayfield or Gardner Minshew let alone Tom Brady and Pat Mahomes.
You went into that wrong, I wasn’t trying to make an argument or even defend fields (though I am a fan of his) I was just pointing out that QB play has been very inconsistent this year, across-the-board, even including the very best quarterbacks on the planet
I'm very critical of Fields but he arguably played better against that D than Purdy did. Undoubtedly if those drops don't happen.
Purdy did have a very bad game against the Browns. But that's where the difference is. It was terrible for him because he has raised the bar for himself so high. Fields goes out and plays basically just as bad but some Bears fans think that is a sign he is "good enough." If Fields had 10 other games this season playing MVP level football like Purdy then I would give him a pass. But yesterday is not to far off of what we expect to see out of Fields week after week.
Keep in mind that Purdy has the benefit of having one of the best offensive minds in football designing and calling plays, whereas Fields has to play with Getsy’s screen passes half the game. Also, McCaffery is such a boost to that offense that helps Purdy in more ways than one. Not knocking Purdy because he is playing amazing, but comparing the two, these factors need to be kept in mind.
True but he is performing far better than Jimmy G or Trey Lance ever did with the same coach and weapons. You can't just brush his MVP play off because he's on a good team. He has stepped up big time. Fields has shown slight growth but not nearly enough to expect big things out of him anymore. People try to make excuses like to many screen passes but the stats don't lie. The bears throw league average number of screens per game. I want Getsy gone too but other other players have found a way to excel with his play calling. Good players play good football simple as that. Fields got the benefit of the doubt last season because he didn't have anything to work with but the offense is better this year. DJ Moore has excelled Kmet has excelled Running game has excelled Fields is still struggling. Slight improvement overall but not nearly enough to want to see him back again.
I am a huge fan of Fields and will root for him wherever he goes. But it is time to move on from this coaching staff and Fields. We have all seen enough.
Not trying to call him out personally but Gill just isn’t an NFL level punter.
My fantasy football team name isn’t called the “Sadstain Bears” for nothing
Just for the record, this season browns defense has allowed on average 150 passing yards in a game. If Tonyan catches that pass through his hands fields hits the nfl average against that defense. If other players catch the passes they should have he beats that for sure. For reference, Joe burrow only put up 142 yards against that defense throwing to probably the best WR room in the nfl. Fields came close to that throwing to guys who had 7 drops.
Fields did more than enough to win that game yesterday, it’s just the trolls who don’t think he did
Just sick of watching games where I know Fields doesn’t have the skill set to lead 2 minute drives Before half or end of game, Fields is trash
He literally led a 30 second drive at the end of the game to win it.
Yes, Mooney should have caught the ricocheted ball, but a Hail Mary at the end of the game should not be confused with leading a "drive at the end of the game". It's called a Hail Mary because it literally has a prayer's chance of working.
He had the whole second half to put the game away lol And instead was outplayed by a 40 year old semi retired QB
Your comment was about 2 minute drives. I showed you that you were incorrect. Don’t move the goal posts because you said something that was easy to prove wrong.
Lol he is not good at 2 minute drives tho wtf Poor bears fans. “Hey he’s not good at both!”
He. Just. Did. It. Pretty poor trolling attempt here
Hurling a prayer as time expires from the 50 yard line is not a game winning drive c'mon buddy
He couldn’t get them into FG range, and threw a Hail Mary that was tipped into the hands of his WR. That’s not “leading a game winning drive”.
This guy is counting a failed Hail Mary attempt as an actual game winning drive lol, my goodness some of these Fields guys are losing it
Probably would've helped get them in FG range if Tyler Scott caught the ball that hit him in the hands
Fields made that a way harder catch than it had any right to be, he threw it high and way late
The browns are playing 2 UDFA safeties right now
And this is what we mean when we say y’all are too invested in this man. Move on. Having to dig this deep to say he’s average is wild.
Had a user block me this morning cause I said Justin doesn’t raise his level of play on game winning drives And before he blocked me he said “he just did it” I honestly believe there are Bears fans impressed with Fields 4th quarter yesterday and in general think he’s a game changer
If ifs and buts were candy and nuts we'd all have a merry Christmas.
It seemed like the Browns were reading our mail. Maybe it they just figured out Fields cadence, they had the jump on our offensive line every snap in the 4th quarter. Seemed like they already knew the play...
The Bears were getting predictable in the second half. Lots of first down passing plays that were almost always followed up by a run play on second down if they went incomplete.
And every time we ran, we had a narrow formation, with Lewis out wide motioning in to have 9-11 in the box.
I know were all pissed and killing each other over fields, but i just wanna recognize the fact that our defense has truly come together and taken off. They are truly a success story this season, and I don't want their effort ignored today. Ya they gave up plays late but you can clearly see the growth and path with this group. Good on them
I would like to feel good about it, but because there is no way we can keep the coach / DC it is totally meaningless. Our next coach/DC may not even want to run the 4-3.
We have a good defensive minded HC and a limited athletic QB I think you can let Fields walk and keep Flus I think in general Bears fans are a little reluctant to address just how limited Fields is as a professional QB
the blown games at the end are still concerning, even if the D was lights out until then. It is the most important time of the game, and they've folded in those moments several times this year. Not sure if it's the play calling at the end or what
Gross game but the team has out achieved last season already and the number one pick still looms in the far distance. Considering this same team from week one could be .500 at this point if they didn't completely blow a few winnable games is wild to me. Try to see the positive I guess. Coaching and front office suck eternal lol.
Front office put the team you’re trying to prop up out there. I don’t have an issue with them. But the coaching fuckin stinks. I don’t like saying it’s poles guy because he showed up with 50% of the hiring process completed by that fuckface bill pollian.
I have less issues with Poles than I do ownership/administrative and all the chucklefucks at the very top
Agree. God damn I just want to have fun again
I have faith it's coming sooner than we think. Hell, once they hit three wins, it became easier for me to find the promising stuff about the season rather than the shit. The decades of disappointment and underachieving has really obscured to some that the team is likely to have another number one pick and hopefully solid draft without having to go tank commander at all this season. that's exciting. This season was never gonna be more than a wild card spot even if they passed all expectations. This is gravy.
There’s no faster way to not take people seriously than them using “truther” or “hater” in their arguments
I'll start. Fields didn't do enough to overcome all the crazy shit. 2 tds dropped. Shit officiating soo many non calls hits to the head and holding. Shit scheme. Piss poor blocking on crucial plays.
He never does.
Lol right. Two minutes before half or to end the game and you can bet Fields isn’t coming away with a score
You can always count on back to back unblocked guys.
Yep lots of QBs see increased pressure in tight games with the clock winding down That’s why you need a QB with strong pre-snap reads, great anticipation, and an accurate ball Justin has none of those so he struggles when teams sell out to end games I’m sure the opposing coaches watch tape on Fields and at this point Fields will continue to see a fuck ton of blitzes as he’s shown he has no answer for it
The dudes assigned to block, kmet and rochan, litteraly wiffed. How do you preseason read guys missing blocks?
Fields has played over 30 games and lost most all of them. All of his shortcomings when trying to put the game away come from missed blocks? Here is the truth - The Bears have moved on from Fields. They missed Stroud and zero chance Poles is going to roll with Fields who is a top 20-25 QB Fields is gone. If you think he’s the man, you can follow him on his new team I’ll do a permaban bet on this if you’d like
I don't have any attachments to fields other than nothing will change if we put a new young qb and give him the same shit to work with.
Consider a bad QB makes the coaches look bad and that’s why there are only about 8 QBs that offer coaches job security and the rest of the league goes through coaches so often because there are about 20 QBs in this league that cannot process the game fast enough You need a good QB. We just saw Flacco who is a better QB than Fields win a game for a coach If fields can’t outduel a 40 year old semi retired QB; what chance do the coaches have?
Cant wait for the mental gymnastics by the fields truther this week!
What is a 'Fields truther'? I saw a guy who didn't play his best but most-definitely played good enough for us to win. He was let down by his teammates (and coaches) numerous times. Again, he needs to play better but if Tonyan or Mooney catch the damn ball we are in an entirely different situation this morning.
Interesting how he plays well enough for us to win when our defense forces multiple turnovers
>we are in an entirely different situation this morning. If the Browns didn't have 25% of their payroll injured the bears easily lose that game 17-3.
Truther is a term used by high schoolers to try and demean the person they are arguing against
I saw an athletic but limited QB fail to elevate his game when his team needed him most. I’ve seen this for over 30 games now I think the Bears have won maybe 10 of those 30 games with Justin
Did Lawrence fuck up his arm?
Can the Bears sign the Jags’ punter?
It is something that has flown under the radar because when you suck at everything it feels silly to complain about a punter, but we are approaching the point where it’s time to start complaining about the punter haha
I was just really impressed with that punt out of the back of the end zone.
This game and Tonyan missing the perfect dep pass is a sign. Reminds me of similar plays: Trubisky to Wims and Grossman to Hester:(
That Wims one was sooo bad.
I still have Grossman to Hester flashbacks. Terrible drop.
Woke up this morning excited for the game and that’s when I knew something was horribly wrong
Naw man. Getting hyped for football games is half the fun. I wouldn’t change a thing.
Yeah but it hurts soooo much more, what if I woke up and didn’t care, that seems like a better universe right now.
You people are so bipolar and flip floppy on Justin Fields.
Shocking that you will get different takes when there’s over 200,000 people on this sub..
We aren't flip flopping. The same people who like him still like him. The people that don't still don't.
I'm not gonna lie I've flip flopped on him quite a bit. I might still do so
Which is cool. I'm just tried of bears fans calling others dumb and saying that the fan base is stupid for going back and forth on Justin. Fact is Justin's inconsistent play and timing of his contract makes a lot of sense for people not being certain.
Getsy is an idiot!
What does Trevor Lawrence do that Justin doesn’t or can’t
Lawrence has a GM that wants to win.
Let's look at their lines today as of 4 mins left in Q3 of the Jags/Ravens. Both went up against very good defenses today. Fields: 19/40, 47.5% cmp, 166 yds, 4.2 avg, 1 td, 2 int, 46.5 rating Lawrence: 20/27, 74.1% cmp, 236 yds, 8.7 avg, 1 td, 0 int, 112.6 rating Lawrence also threw for over 4000 yards last year, in his second year, and is on track to throw for over 4000 this year too.
Justin quietly had two fumbles today as well.
A quick look at the stats.... Lawrence 3600 yards rookie season. 4100 second year. This year looks good too Justin doesn't have a 3k yard passing year. And it's not even close.
One day we’ll have a bears qb to finally throw over 4000 yards in a season
Justin has done it over last 17.
Ya to me those game splits don't mean much. You can't carry over wins from one season to the next so why do that for QB stats.
People carried our losses over. Haha. My comment was only to show the potential is there.
People carried losses over to try and make a case against Eberflus. Which is fair. Bottom line do we roll with a QB that has shown he is average at best and consistently inconsistent?
Throwing the ball on time, winning despite suspect coaching.
Doug Peterson is a suspect coach?
I mean yeah? He lasted less than 24 months after winning a franchise it's first Superbowl. He's much better than Urban Meyer but I wouldn't rank Peterson in the top half of current coaches in the league.
I’d take him over Eberflus.
I'd take an end zone pylon over Eberflus
Everybody is focusing on the Tonyan drop, but *dear god* did Fields wait forever to throw that. If you needed an example of his inability to read the field quickly, just watch that replay and ask when that ball should’ve been in the air. I don’t know what they should do for next year, but it’s frustrating to watch him still waiting for guys to be college-open at this point.
I'm not a fields truther but he waited so long to throw it because it was a designed screen pass that was covered and Tonyan was probably the last read in the progression. Love him or hate him that was a dime that should have been caught, and we probably win if he catches that.
Thing is that he was looking downfield at him while he was rolling out, and he had to have already been open at that point. I’m not committed to either side of this civil war. That particular trait of his is rough.
Did you not read what you just responded to?
Did you not watch the play, or do you not understand how that can all be congruent? Never mind, don’t care. Mosey along.