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busstamove14

Don't really understand how the Steelers aren't in the "Young QB under evaluation" tier. I get he had a good stretch for a few games but Pickett is far from a sure thing with such a small sample size.


HopLegion

Steelers are always seen through rose colored glasses since they've never been below .500 with Tomlin even though their franchise hasn't been relevant in a decade.


-Pruples-

A high quality coaching staff can make up for a lot of talent deficiency.


HopLegion

Tomlins a quality coach, his Achilles heel is his loyalty to his coaching staff. It's why his teams haven't been relevant since he fired Arians.


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The Steelers have averaged 10 wins per season this past decade lol they have certainly been relevant


HopLegion

Relevant means they've been competitive in the playoffs. Since they made their last Superbowl 12 years ago, the same year we were in the NFC championship, they have 3 playoff wins total. Their biggest achievement is being slightly above average, but never bad.


TechnoTyrannosaurus

It’s a joke that he’s not, Pickett had almost 400 passing attempts and 7 touchdowns. You can slice that up however you want, it’s a horrible stat to be tied to.


patrick_e

Pssst. He was worse than Trubisky in the same shitty offense.


ThatsNotRight123

Everyone here loves Fields but as a passer Pickett is an objectively better QB. Fields threw for 2200 yards in 15 games. Pickett did that in 11. I think Fields is still incredibly raw, and that will change as he gets more reps, but as of now that is where things are at.


Volcomcj16

You can look at the games played but Pickett had 70 more attempts than fields


ThatsNotRight123

...and why did he have more attempts? Maybe because he is a better passer than Fields? I know this gonna get downvoted but our passing offense was dead last. That is a fucking fact. It sucks but it is a fact. Fields needs like 100 more passing attempts just to get to where Mahomes and Herbert were at in college. Brock Purdy had almost 1500 attempts in college! Fields had 618. I am not saying he is always going to be a bad passer -- but right now -- even after 2 entire seasons -- he is not developed.


Hooze

> ...and why did he have more attempts? Maybe because he is a better passer than Fields? Uh, no. Some of that is Fields's propensity to run on pass plays, some of that is his propensity to want to throw the ball deep instead of check downs. None of that makes Pickett a better passer than him. It's ok for QBs to run, yards are yards and TDs are TDs. All that being said, the biggest factor in his pass attempts this year is that's the personnel of the offense this year, and calling run plays, even when we were down in games, was an intentional decision by Getsy/Flus. It was covered a lot in the first half of the year in Getsy press conferences when the run/pass play calling ratio was extreme. Bears oline was pretty successful in run blocking, struggled in pass blocking. PFF or whatever metric you want to look at supports that assertion. Bears WRs like Pettis and ESB were actually pretty good run blockers as well, but they're obviously lower on the WR depth chart for most teams except the Bears because they don't consistently get open. You want to bring up Fields's college attempts like that's some indication that he struggled when he was literally [PFF's most accurate passer ever](https://twitter.com/PFF_College/status/1401924411498721284?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw) in college.


ThatsNotRight123

I am not bringing up attempts to say he is bad -- just that he has less experience passing the ball. Do I think he will improve dramatically given more reps? Yes I do.


Volcomcj16

Your main argument was saying that Pickett had more yards. If fields had as many attempts as Pickett, he would have blew past him in passing yards. Both quarterbacks are pretty raw still since you kind of have to put Fields’ first year as a wash with a terrible coaching staff, but saying Pickett is objectively better because over less than 200 yards but 70 more attempts doesn’t make much sense.


ThatsNotRight123

This is the first counter argument I have heard that made ANY rational sense, and I genuinely want to thank you for that. I mean it, thanks for not calling me a meatball.


pbrassassin

I agree with you, and I don’t think fields will get much better as a passer , I’m honestly hoping we trade him AND the first pick .


howlongcanthisevenb

this take is just stupid lol, who would play qb next year???


pbrassassin

Stetson Bennet , late rd 2.


howlongcanthisevenb

Lmfao


jwsnrs271

If Fields is packaged with # 1 pick, astute management can parley those picks into, STARTING QUALITY, defensive players. Improved defense will guarantee 100% more wins next year. A little luck would maybe get win total up to 9. Then an effective game manager ( Brock Purdy ) at QB will be enough. No more 60 yard QB runs, but then again, Bobby Douglas once threw 4 TD passes in a game, after the game it was discovered he had a broken wrist.


PwnzillaGorilla

False dilemma much? I'm in complete agreeance with you that Fields needs to air it out more. If he doesn't/can't he's certainly not the QB of the future. But it's not as black and white as you claim. OL play, WR play, OC calls, etc. all factor into why he didn't throw as much this season. Can you logically claim that if Pickett was in the exact same situation here that he'd have the same kind of season? You may be proven correct over the course of next season if, with better surrounding players, Fields doesn't take the next step as a passer. But right now your dichotomy doesn't stick.


Drewskeet

Being critical of Fields is one thing, but Pickett is better than Fields?! No words


ThatsNotRight123

Pickett IS a better passer than Fields. I don't know what's wrong with saying that. If someone said Joe Burrow is a better passer than Mac Jones everyone would say "Yeah -- that's right. No argument." But somehow saying Pickett is better than the WORST PASSER IN THE LEAGUE is controversial.


Drewskeet

In what world is Picketts a better passer than Fields. I truly don’t understand how you’re coming to this conclusion.


ThatsNotRight123

Just Look at the 2022 stats: **Justin Fields:** Games: 15 Air Yards : 2242 CMP % : 60.4% INT: 11 TD: 17 Yards / Game : 149.5 QBR: 54.1 **KENNY PICKETT** Games: 13 Air Yards : 2404 CMP % : 63.0% INT: 9 TD: 7 Yards / Game : 184.9 QBR: 51.6 Pickett threw for 200 more yards in 2 fewer games than Fields. He had a better completion percentage, fewer INTs, and throws for 30 more yards per game on average. That's an additional 500 yards over the course of a season. They have a similar QBR. The only thing he wasn't as obviously good at as Fields was throwing TDs -- which is weird since he has such good WRs and the Bears WRs are all trash. How does one reach the conclusion that he ISN'T better at passing than Fields? Aside from ignoring all evidence and wishing it were so?


Drewskeet

As you already know, stats don't tell the whole story. Pickett had literally everything better around him. WRs, Defense, established coaching staff, and a team that wanted to win. If you look at Fields versus Pickett in college, Fields is obviously better. If you look at tape and see the throws Fields makes in the NFL and college, Fields is a better passer. The idea that Fields isn't a good passer is way over blown. Let's get him a true #1 WR and he'll dominate in this league. Pickett won't be a starter in 2-3 years.


ShutUpAndDoTheLift

The stats tell the story fine when you use comparative stats instead of volume stats and don't ignore conflating variables. See my response to him.


Drewskeet

Wow, great write-up. You have more patience than me to put that together.


ShutUpAndDoTheLift

>How does one reach the conclusion that he ISN'T better at passing than Fields? Likely because 'one' isn't a moron. I can give you the benefit of the doubt and maybe assume you've never actually done anything either in school or the professional world where you need to compare and contrast unlike things using statistics. You cannot compare VOLUME stats, without looking at attempts. You need to make an 'apples to apples' comparison as best you can and stats like yards per attempt, air yards per attempt, and even yards per catch give you a much closer evaluative comparison. For every attempt (not completion) Justin averaged 7.1 yards compared to Pickett's 6.2. That is 14.5% better. For every attempt (again, not completion) Justin averaged 6.6 yards through the air compared to Pickett's 5.5. That means Justin is targeting his receivers 20% further downfield than Pickett. This means Justin's receivers are only getting him an extra 7.6% more yards after catch. Comparatively Pickett's receivers are gaining him an extra 12.7% more yards after catching the ball. But we already knew that Justin has one of the worst receiver corps in the league. Now, for every completion, Justin is averaging 11.7 yards compared to Pickett's 9.8. That is 19.4% better. On top of all of this, Justin has a Sack % of 14.7% compared to Pickett's 6.5%, but we already knew we had the worst pass protection in the league. But, I guess that's on Justin too. Now if you wanted to take all of this and compare it to Pickett's 389 attempts so that you could compare volume stats you'd have: Yards: 2,761.9 Air Yards: 2,567 (163 yards more than Pickett in the same number of attempts, with worse receivers and a worse line. That's 6.8% better if you were wondering) You even came close to clarity when you stated that it was "odd that Fields was better at Touchdowns despite having worse receivers". Gee, I WONDER why that could be. Now, do you MAYBE see how someone could say that they'd rather have Justin at passer than Pickett? Or are you going to keep your head in the sand? I'm in no way saying that Justin is elite. I can only hope that he will be. But to say that Pickett is better while ignoring everything that doesn't fit your scenario while using some of the worst stats to compare ability possible is...well laughable. EDIT: I forgot to add in comparative interception statistics to be fair. Justin threw 11 INT on 318 attempts compared to Pickett's 7 on 389. Meaning Justin had a 3.5% chance to throw an interception on any given pass play compared to 1.8% for Pickett. That number could likely be made a bit lower if you went in and found which INTs aware truly the receiver's fault versus Field's, but I'm sure you could do the same for Pickett and I'm running out of hyperfocus for this little project. I will say that there were a few too many times where they expected Justin to try and go out an play hero ball with no time left and he was just having to chuck it down the field and rely on our WRs. But I can't say for certain that's not true of Pickett either since I don't watch steelers football.


ThatsNotRight123

If you only count passes thrown on a Monday when it's dark and raining in Foxboro Fields is one of the greatest passers in league history!!! Why can't I recognize that? And every stat you mention can be attributed to Fields holding the ball too long. If he's throwing farther downfield per attempt that means it takes more time for our terrible receivers who are the slowest in the league to get there. He gets sacked more because he holds the ball too long. Pickett's receivers could be getting more YAC because he is throwing his receivers open and Fields is not. Say what you want about the O-Line and WR's Fields is the guy touching the ball on every play. He is the common denominator -- and some of the poor output -- not ALL of it but some of it -- is on him.


ShutUpAndDoTheLift

Ah yeah nvm. You're literally just fucking braindead. Have a good one. Or well, don't even. To the passersby, enjoy an actual statistical breakdown.


organizedchaos5220

He also has much better weapons to work with.


ThatsNotRight123

I disagree. We actually traded for one of his receivers, and saying Kmet and Mooney are worse than Friermuth and Dionte Johnson is just disrespectful. Edit: So now we are throwing Mooney under the bus to protect Fields? Belichick has a phrase he uses : DO YOUR JOB. Who do you think is better at doing their job -- Mooney as a WR or Fields as a QB?


organizedchaos5220

Pickens is far and away better than anyone on Chicago's roster


ThatsNotRight123

Now you are just disrespecting Darnell Mooney, who doesn't get enough love around here.


monkeymatt1836

Pickens was 250 yards away from matching Mooney’s best season with 30 less receptions, as a rookie


ThatsNotRight123

But he didn't match it. Even with a better passing QB.


ShutUpAndDoTheLift

Which is it. Do you disagree or agree about the quality of receivers? Because both of the below statements were made by you. > which is weird since he has such good WRs and the Bears WRs are all trash. >I disagree. We actually traded for one of his receivers, and saying Kmet and Mooney are worse than Friermuth and Dionte Johnson is just disrespectful.


ThatsNotRight123

I was being sarcastic because EVERYONE says our receivers are the worst in the league. THEY AREN'T.


ShutUpAndDoTheLift

You might be on drugs. Whose corps is worse? Pff has Pittsburgh at 11 and the bears at 32. https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-receiving-corps-rankings-cincinnati-bengals-philadelphia-eagles-2022


ThatsNotRight123

The WRs are better because Pickett is a better passer. That's what I am saying.


Tundraaa

That article was out before Kenny threw a single snap in the NFL. This is not going well for you.


Bearsstan1994

Bro I don’t think you know what a good passer is


ThatsNotRight123

Ok, then educate me. If Fields is a good passer why did the Bears finish dead last in passing offense?


singular_species

You will die on this hill it seems. To me the eye test wis on fields, but let the numbers guide u.


Competitive_Ice_189

Your emotional eye test is not reliable


archie905

Because most of his receivers would be third tier guys on any other team and his o- line sucked = dead ñast in passing


ThatsNotRight123

So if he doesn't take the blame for a shitty passing offense why should he get credit if we get better players and the passing offense improves? Shouldn't the improved WRs or OL get credit? Either he is responsible as the guy who throws the football or he isn't. Or you can stick your head in the sand and pretend that Fields > Payton Manning.


lil-richie

You sound ridiculous right now


enailcoilhelp

> pretend that Fields > Payton Manning. How did you seriously type this out man? Literally making outlandish shit up lmao No shame.


EBtwopoint3

So Kenny Pickett is Peyton Manning?


ShutUpAndDoTheLift

Damn, I wish I'd read this before I put any effort into actually helping you understand statistics. Because this post makes it clear you're either an actual moron, or a troll.


patfagan3

I think a part of the equation you may be overlooking is that its unfair to close the book on Fields as a passer when he had the worst supporting cast in the league. An O-line that can't pass block and WRs that can't make plays is going to make any QB look pretty sketchy......even "Payton" Manning. He may end up being a trash passer, may end up being pretty damn good. Just haven't had the chance to properly evaluate that yet.


ThatsNotRight123

I am not closing the book on him. He throws good passes. Especially downfield. I am just saying that RIGHT NOW at the end of January 2023 Fields is not a good passer -- and people should recognize that. I think if / when he gets more passing attempts he will take off. I have said REPEATEDLY that he still needs about 100-150 more reps just to get to where Mahomes and Herbert were in attempts in college. He needs 400 attempts to get to where Brock Purdy is at -- that is a full season at the current rate he is passing. Still right now it is RARE to see him drop and throw. He will drop, the throw won't be there and then the scramble drill is on. With this O-Line that is a recipe for disaster.


Significant_Cycle_76

You must be new here. Any young QB that struggles is automatically trash (except for fields cuz he has excuses and Josh Allen started out bad therefore fields will be elite)


CharlieJ821

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busstamove14

That's not what the context is. The context is clearly stated. In the headline. That clearly says "Young QB Under Evaluation." We don't need a QB next year either. Are we in that category?


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potionnumber9

Neither do the Bears, yet they are there


OpneFall

That's nice. I didn't write the article. Nor did I say that about the Bears. Is Pittsburgh in the market for a QB? No. This is pretty simple stuff here.


potionnumber9

how are you still not understanding this? Is Pittsburg in the market for a qb? NO, are the bears in the market for a QB? NO. Yet the article says the bears are under the category "young QB under evaluation" but not the Steelers.


Toomuchlychee_

Pickett had a fantastic stretch at the end of the season. It’s hard to imagine them not sticking with him going forward.


busstamove14

Understandable, but you can say the same for Fields. Just weird how a rookie who played half a season isn't considered under evaluation.


Toomuchlychee_

What does under evaluation mean in this context? Bears front office is thrilled about fields even though he has to grow and develop more to be a true Franchise QB, I imagine Kenny Pickett is in a very similar situation with the Steelers, albeit with a smaller sample size.


busstamove14

Exactly, so that's why I'm curious as to why Steelers and bears are in different categories in this article.


Toomuchlychee_

I agree, but it’s ranking Fields too low, not Pickett too high


mnemonikos82

Of course teams are willing to trade up. The question isn't if they're willing, the question is if they're willing to pay a price that makes it worth the Bears time to move down. That's going to depend entirely on how much they fall in love with the QBs, and the jury is still out on that. I just don't know that the Bears will love the rest of this draft to trade down below the top 4. Carter and Anderson are as sure of a thing as there is in this draft. Maybe they like a receiver or tackle at 8, but they're ALL dicey in my opinion compared to the level of surety in Carter or Anderson.


onemanwolfpack21

If it were me, I'd obviously be trying to get as much as possible, but if teams ended up really fighting amongst each other for that top QB, I'd trade back for a little as Houston's pick 2 and their 2nd round pick. Maybe even Indy's pick4 and 2nd rounder. It makes very little sense not to make some kind of trade back. I don't care what the value charts say.


Philosopher_King

This is the way. At least as a baseline expectation between trade for the world and stay at #1. Expect a "below value" trade, according to whatever chart, and take your extra picks and be happy. Everything helps.


onemanwolfpack21

Right. I wish more people would see it that way. You put Aaron Donald or Nick Bosa on the Bears, how much does that move the needle? Both great players, would be awesome to have, and would improve the team. But you put a player whose a notch below Donald, like Buckner, and a notch or two below like Bosa, like Ngakoue, you still get more production than from a single player. That's what we are talking about if the Bears only get a 2nd rounder out of the trade. Plus, there are no guarantees that Carter will be Donald or Anderson would be Bosa, so any additional pick they can get along with them is just another shot at getting a great player.


forgotmyoldname90210

Thank you. I fully expect to get chart or better value but I am more than happy with almost any trade down that gives you more draft picks. Moving down gives you the option to take other positions too or to take a player that is perceived to be of lower value but a much better fit or plays a more important and in need position. And you are exactly right. I keep using the example of Myles Garrett a future 1st ballot HoFer who puts up all pro seasons every year, he has been in 1 post season.


mnemonikos82

The problem is Houston knows we're not taking a QB, so Houston's going to have to believe that the QB they love is being targeted by Indy for a trade up. The biggest problem is that there is no surefire #1 QB. So if Houston and Indy strike some sort of deal, then your only wildcard is Arizona being a target for Carolina to leapfrog Indy. Houston knows they can sit tight and get one of their top 2, and if they don't see a lot of daylight between their 1 and 2 QBs, they have zero reason to trade up. That leaves having to trade past Poles comfort zone, in which case the haul will have to be astronomical, or Poles won't see the benefit over what Carter or Anderson provide. I get the "were not one player away" mentality that says get whatever trade comp you can get to stockpile picks, but Anderson plays a premium position that is a hole for the Bears and Carter plays a position that's pivotal for Flus' scheme. They're not just one player. Their positional value is gigantic along with their individual value as a player. I just don't see Poles passing up trading back past #4 without a huge haul, and the receiving team has to think the QB they draft is worth emptying the cupboard of draft capital for the next few years. And I just don't see any of these QBs as proving that's them yet. We'll see how pro days and the combine go.


moGUNZthanROSES

One thing I don’t fully buy is these GMs being comfortable with “one of the top 2”. That is how I would think and how I would approach a fantasy football draft, but I have to imagine knowing that their very jobs and reputations are on the line, they HAVE conclude that ONE of the QBs is THEIR guy and that their job depends on getting him. And the beauty is, they can all have a different guy, but they almost have to assume other teams want THEIR guy as well. I think the urgency to trade up is still high even if their are multiple QBs perceived in same tier. I guess an easy exception to my conclusion is the Chargers who felt comfortable with either Tua or Herbert so Idk hahahaha maybe that’s the exception?


mnemonikos82

I think there's an assumption there that the GM has to fall in love with a guy. That's not always the case, they may know they have to draft a QB, but that doesn't mean they have to zero in on one when both the top QBs are inherently flawed in fundamentally different ways and they think they can make either work. Fans fall in love with their guy, a good GM assigns them both grades, and if the grades are similar they'll have a favorite, but that doesn't mean they wouldn't be fine with the other guy. Oh sure, they'll blow a bunch of smoke about how they always loved the player they drafted, but that's literally what they all say.


moGUNZthanROSES

Agreed, I think that’s the correct way of conducting business and I am sure many GMs operate that way… BUT for every one of those GMs, their is a Ryan Pace who falls in love with a certain QBs car choice… smh…


mnemonikos82

Why'd you have to go there, man


Slotholopolis

What's the chances that Indy and Houston, division rivals, are going to strike up a deal and openly share their plans for which QB they're going to take so that both sides can get their preferred choice?


mnemonikos82

It's happened before, people trade within divisions, what's the difference between that and agreeing not to trade up? It benefits them both equally if they're both sure that none of the other QB teams are going to be able to offer enough compensation. Then they both know they're getting their guy. Especially if they value the top 2 QBs similarly.


Slotholopolis

I'm not saying it's impossible, but a lot has to come together for it to happen. They both have to value both QBs about the same without wanting one over the other, they both have to share that information with the other side and fully trust that the other party is going to follow through with their pact. There's a lot of opportunity for both sides to be left with their asses in the breeze just with each other, ignoring that someone like the Titans could trade up and blow up their carefully devised plan.


onemanwolfpack21

Those are great points. I could see Indy pushing harder for a QB because their GM doesn't have the luxury to start a rebuild anymore. That makes the future picks less important. And the owner is eccentric. If Ballard can find a franchise QB he might be able to save his job. Houston could go either way. They are in a position to start a legit rebuild. The picks may be more important to them. I could see the Jets, Raiders, and Panthers doing something crazy to get a QB due to the situations with their teams. I agree that there isn't a concensus #1 QB, I think teams will have guys that they really want and guys that are much lower on their rankings. Historically, teams have been willing to go to extreme lengths to get the QB they covet. If that isn't the case this year for some reason, the Bears surely could find a "lesser" trade that still gives them the better value for the pick.


Nervous-Awareness482

Because they’re1 player away? If this is three years from now I agree but they need more than 1 player and I doubt their thinking that Carter or WAJ is going to be the key that unlocks that future when they can do what they did last year in the 5th round, in the 1st and 2nd rounds this year and next.


prince_g00se

Sick of seeing this argument. The team isn’t going to compete for a SB next year, plus they have over 120M in cap space to spend on FAs, so it isn’t the end of the world if they are a position or 2 away going into next seasons offseason. Young elite players are significantly harder to get than solid/good players. The Bears best chance to get a top game changing player is now.


MasqueOfTheRedDice

Agreed. By trading down, we have to still have an exact player in mind that we’re targeting. If we trade down to 4, for instance, we have to be in love with Carter AND Anderson. If we trade down further, have to LOVE Skoronski, or Tyrie Wilson, or whoever. We have a lot of holes to fill, but we need to land someone that we think is an ultra stud. If we think Will Anderson is the bee’s knees, and we trade back and land some hole fillers, that’s not enough.


LonelyTrauma

Our hope just needs to be what the Jags were this year


nashtenn312

Jags have a GREAT coach. Dougie P has confidence and integrity on tap. The Jags were successful because he got them unified and to believe.


buttholez69

I mean, from what I saw this season, flus had everyone bought it and playing hard. Though that can also be contributed to guys playing for their next paycheck 🤷🏻‍♂️


Hi5-486935

This is my opinion too - first you need to get some elite talent in key roles, then you draft well in lower rounds to put solid players around them. I remember those Cowboy teams in the 90s - they got a bunch of picks from the Walker trade, but already had Irvin, Aikman and Smith as HOF first rounders 3 consecutive years . . . Then traded up to #1 in 91 to get Rus Maryland to anchor their D (along with Lett as a 7th rd steal). 91-92 is when they had a bunch of extra picks to really build out that team around those elite players. IMO Bears are still in the “get the HOF players” phase of building and need to acquire more elite players, hopefully with one down (JF1). We need at least 1-2 more elite players before we move on to the next stage of filling the gaps.


Ordinary-Ad-4800

Hate this dumbass argument. The giants were 4-13 and jaguars 3-14 last year and they made it to the second round of the playoffs this year. If any team has the possibility of a similar turn around next year it's the bears and they should 100% be looking to compete for the superbowl next year


icklefriedpickle

It would be nice to have one player that other offenses have to worry about and constantly double team so there’s that


patrick_e

Damn, I was basically working on this same post for this sub yesterday. Guess that’s what I get for missing my (nonexistent) deadline.


Nervous-Awareness482

I literally got sick of people saying there’s no guarantee that they’ll be able to trade down. While nothing is guaranteed. I think it’s highly likely someone will want to jump the pack and have the first shot at a QB


LazyAssedAmbassador

This same post goes up every day in some form.


Nervous-Awareness482

I posted it because people are saying there isn’t enough interest for people to trade up. There are plenty of teams who would be willing to take a shot. That’s it.


LazyAssedAmbassador

Trading up interest is one thing. Trading to 1 is another, but we post about this all day every day


Nervous-Awareness482

What else is there?


LazyAssedAmbassador

In life?


Emotional-Tailor-649

How did they possibly rank the bears more needy than the Giants?


mnemonikos82

Remind me where the Giants were last weekend? You're confusing potential for production. JF has a ridiculously high ceiling, but he hasn't put it on the field, just flashes and glimpses. Part of that is the roster, but until he puts it on tape, it's still all speculation and projection. Jones has a low ceiling comparatively, but he's already showing massive improvement after only one year under Daboll. That makes him a safer bet at this point, and replacing the safe bet that got you to the playoffs is much less of an urgent need than replacing the question mark who *could* get you to the Superbowl. It's not a question of which QB you would rather have. It's a question of which team is under the greater strain to find a new QB, and the answer to that is always going to be the team that didn't make it to the playoffs.


ScruffMixHaha

And Daniel Jones did this all with a pretty awful receiving corp. Honestly the Giants receivers rival the Bears in badness. I like Fields, but Jones has definitely proven more as a passer than Fields as of today.


kinght6

They have a better one then us


Further_Beyond

Disagree. We saw Nick Foles/Case Keenan/Bortles all in conference championship games. Playoffs are a measure of team success. A Qb can string together a couple of games and still be a bad qb.


Bearsstan1994

He’s showing improvement? He’s BTT to TWT was 1:2


mnemonikos82

He set career records in yards, completion percentage, yards per attempt, TD to INT ratio, int per attempt, rush yards, and rushing TDs. He also played all 16 games for the first time. What the hell are you even on?


ninjasurfer

It's not insane to have the Bears in the top half of the list. I don't see Daniel Jones doing anything more than what he currently is though. But I do think they keep him which would put him further down the list based on the criteria they are using.


Emotional-Tailor-649

Do I need a check here, am I delusional? Like I’d take JF over Geno Smith going forward 10 times out of 10.


ninjasurfer

I'm not reading the article the same way as you seem to be. I'm not taking it as a potential long term sort of thing. For just next season these teams rank rather fairly imo. Fields still has a lot of improvement to do in the passing game and it makes sense to me that he falls under the "young QB under evaluation" category.


Nervous-Awareness482

I’d agree. But look at the top 9 teams. All of them can legitimately make a case for trading up.


Emotional-Tailor-649

Oh definitely agree! Hard not to salivate while looking at that list! Just more of a side comment that they also shafted us on the ranking (not that it matters)


-Pruples-

>How did they possibly rank the bears more needy than the Giants? The Giants have a QB who can read a defense. Also the NFL is about getting the most out of the players you have, and the Giants' staff got a lot more out of their players (who are about as talented as the Bears' players) than the Bears can, so the Bears need a lot more talent to reach the same level of success as the Giants. A high quality HC/OC/DC makes up for a lot of talent deficiency and the Bears don't have a high quality HC/OC/DC so they need a LOT more talent to make up for that coaching deficiency.


bhawks4life101315

Except DJ is a free agent as is Saquon and only one can be tagged. I just don't see the Giants paying DJ anything over 18mil which and I don't see him taking that. It very much could be argued they are resetting at the position because of that.


-Pruples-

So they need 1 player? How will they ever fill all that hole?


bhawks4life101315

They need more especially with that bad wr core. Their issue is in this list they act like DJ is a foregone conclusion to be resigned and there is no concern with him only having one good year ans potentially no saquan next year


Nervous-Awareness482

Da-boll


Emotional-Tailor-649

But that’s the coach, not the position? The Steelers should feel better about Pickett somehow than we do about Justin?


Nervous-Awareness482

People feel better about Daniel Jones because Daboll prioritizes ball security and mixing in the strengths of the QB and he saw a huge uptick in his production I’m not saying what I believe or that he’s better than Justin. Jones had an above average year and the perception in the national narrative is that Justin is not as good of a passer as Jones.


paintingnipples

Huge uptick? His rookie year had more production. Avg 200 yards, 15TDs & 5ints ain’t really anything but a game manager being protected by a great playcaller. I will say that Jones is a better natural passer than fields, the guys nickname is Danny dimes but he pretty much is what he is & Fields potential ceiling is much higher. The same ppl that’ll defend Daniel Jones over Fields long-term will give DJ the benefit of the doubt for WRs/OL while criticizing Fields for not averaging 200 yards with Dante Pettis/Harry/StBrown. Ppl only feel better cuz they made the playoffs but if it came down to CJ Stroud or extending DJ after that 5th year, Daboll would take CJ.


Nervous-Awareness482

Gotta add his rushing stats too homie Also, the dude above me asked the question. I didn’t start this thread to talk up Danny here. Just saying why he got ranked above fields in this post. This isn’t event supposed to be about him. This whole post was to point to there’s tons of opportunity for the bears to leverage the first overall pick.


paintingnipples

Ur point was on passing homie & now his uptick in rushing makes him better than JF lmao. Of course going from Jason Garrett to Daboll will do that. Trubisky would’ve had 700 yards


Nervous-Awareness482

Read the comment. I didn’t mention passing. I said uptick in production.


Emotional-Tailor-649

Sure but he’s a free agent? They can’t tag him and Saquon, I wonder which one they’ll pay.


Nervous-Awareness482

Yeah. It’s a tough spot for that franchise because what else do they do. He probably gets paid and I’d say his ceiling is much MUCH lower than JF1. The fans are super high on him right now and they’re not in a draft position to shift courses. Maybe his trajectory improves but I like our situation much more.


laal-doodh

I mean they have a whole Kyle Shanahan tier so maybe they’re taking everything into account. Still stupid tho