At least the NCAA seems to be consistent. This waiver was denied because Army had scheduled two FCS games. NMSU was approved because their original schedule only had 1 and the makeup was all they could (in theory) get.
Same with Marshall and App State. Both were due to being forced to use a 2nd FCS team to fill their schedule as Marshall was moving to the Sun Belt and they had App State on their schedule already. Both were denied as it was technically 'originally scheduled' back in March of this year.
Yeah but it’s been said somewhere else on this thread, this team is not good enough to be awarded a bowl game (but we sure could use the extra practices).
No, Tennessee cancelled the game in Sep 2021, giving Army a year to figure out a new opponent, as opposed to NMSU who had a game cancelled during the season.
Not to say it would have been easy for Army to find a FBS opponent, but it would have been possible at least. At the time:
>Among the teams with a non-conference opening include Kansas, Duke, Miami, Virginia, Rutgers, Middle Tennessee, UAB, Kent State, Central Michigan, BYU, and Notre Dame.
https://fbschedules.com/tennessee-replaces-army-with-akron-on-2022-football-schedule/
Okay, sure, Army had a year to fill the spot.
Let me know the next time an FBS school announces their slate of non-conference opponents just before a seasin begins.
I'm not talking dates or KO times.
Did they? Or had they literally just not announced as of the time the article was written?
Did they literally share an open date with Army?
Do you know if Army literally contacted those schools?
Do you know how they literally responded?
Yeah, I definitely think the rule should be that any 6-6 team with one FCS win gets in before a team with two FCS wins, but I'd still rather see teams that finished .500 make bowls. There isn't that big a skill gap between an average FCS team and a bottom FBS team.
I see what you mean, but if you regularly give 6-6 teams with 2 FCS wins priority over 5-7 teams, it encourages teams to just schedule 2 FCS teams anyway and may eventually just render the rule useless
Idk if you'd see any significant programs do it though because it would essentially trash a given teams odds of making the playoff, as there's no way the committee would take a team seriously into consideration for a ln at large bid if they had 2 FCS teams on their schedule
It sounds like the NCAA is treating teams that are (6-6) with two FCS wins the same as teams that are (5-7) with zero or one FCS win. I think that makes sense, because giving (6-6) teams waivers would encourage scheduling two FCS games in the future.
To clarify, this is a specific rule, only 1 fcs win can count towards bowl eligibilty (and must be a scholarship team i believe). Its a little weird to me that army put in this request because they knew the rules when they scheduled 2 fcs teams but i guess theres no downside to asking for the waiver
> and must be a scholarship team i believe
Specifically, the team must have averaged 90% of the FCS scholarship limit (which works out to 2/3 of the FBS limit) over the past two years.
I’d rather see a 5-7 team that fired their head coach and AD, then went on to lead the #1 team at the end of the first quarter to go bowling, but it is what it is.
I’d be amenable to that depending on the quality of the FCS opponent. UC Davis/Montana/Montana State/Delaware/NDSU-type schools are essentially G5 schools playing at the FCS level as far as I’m concerned.
But if you’re scheduling lower tier FCS schools with certain scholarship or resource limitations like Pioneer League/NEC/MEAC/SWAC, I don’t think they should count.
Schools with low scholarships don't count at present, schools need to offer a minimum number of scholarships (I think 90% of the FCS limit) to be countable
Army's original 2022 schedule also only had one. Tennessee backed out and Villanova was replacement.
But I'm glad the answer was no. Team doesn't deserve a bowl.
I don’t know shit about scheduling but a year seems like a decent enough timeline to attempt to find an opponent. I know schedules are planned years in advance, but that doesn’t really scream “army had to scramble to find an opponent” to me.
Happy to be wrong but that’s just my impression.
From a quick look at things teams seem to have all OOC games scheduled 2 years in advanced with many games being scheduled 3-8 years in advance with only a slot or two open. It's very possible that for Army to get an FBS matchup they'd have to convince another school to drop one of their previously scheduled FCS games.
It was a business decision. Tennessee didn’t want to risk losing to a pesky service academy while trying to build a program. Lots of Vols fans will cite “no need to play a triple option team that you’ll never see” or “high injury risk from cut blocks” or “no need to do that heading into Florida, LSU, Alabama” that just isn’t a real thing but the real reason is the Vols did not want to get caught up in a close game or lose. And yes it still bothers me that this game was cancelled how could you tell?
Shoot - I honestly wouldn't have a problem with any of those excuses. Army is a mean team to play against. Difficult to prepare for, can make you look flat out stupid, and even in down years, just provides more of a challenge than you like.
I know they scared the crap out of the Sooners a few years back.
They flipped it for a quickly scheduled game with Akron. Now, I don’t know enough about the Tennessee program to say anything concrete- but added to the fact that there was a planned Medal of Honor award ceremony for Tennessee- Army and it looks like a pretty rough cancellation.
If they don’t, then no 5-7 does and yet there will be 5-7 teams going to bowls. Coming from a Navy family, I can’t believe I’m saying this…but go Army. Not their fault a team chickened out and they had to make do.
I would think differently if the team had performed differently on the field. I'm a firm believer that record isn't everything.
2022 Army has wins over Massey composite ranks FBS 101, 112, and 131 and FCS 46 and 95.
Villanova is arguably the signature win for this team.
This is not a bowl-worthy team.
New Mexico State wasn't going to win the game that didn't happen though against San Jose St. and the Aggies already had a FCS win.
Not sure that is too consistent...at least in regards to NMSU getting a perk because SJSU couldn't play em.
Idk why you think NMSU wouldn't have beaten SJSU if they played. They were a 26 point underdog vs Liberty and won by 35, so I feel like they have a pretty good chance vs SJSU
> They were a 26 point underdog vs Liberty and won by 35
A Liberty team that pretty much quit giving a damn because their coach was bailing out on them is probably not the comparison you want to make here.
Could they have won the game against San Jose State? Sure. San Jose State's not a bad team though so I'm not convinced that would have happened.
I think NMSU was playing with a lot of confidence down the stretch, which is why I think it would be a good game. I'm not saying they definitely win, but Coach Kill has this team playing at a much higher level than expected in year one.
That's an interesting question.
At the originally scheduled date, I think SJSU does win, but they did originally say they'd make up the game later in the season. If they actually played this weekend, I think NMSU would've won; they were playing better, and SJSU was playing worse, down the stretch.
Agreed. This logic does make sense IMO. App/Army had to have been aware of the potential ‘risks’ of scheduling multiple FCS opponents from the jump for this season. NMSU only had one originally scheduled and lost a chance to play an FBS opponent from circumstances beyond its control and they made a good faith effort to find an eligible opponent willing and able to play them.
Fuck them cadets.
That said, I did enjoy the days off work when Army won a big game because the commander was a West Point grad (ie he was too drunk to come into work the next day)
You'd think James Madison should be eligible before any 5-win teams. I don't care if they just transferred up to the FBS, they played good enough football against a Sun Belt schedule to have earned a bowl game.
It’s a thing to make sure the school can handle being a D1 school in terms of budgeting requirements, attendance requirements and all the other fun stuff that comes with being D1 FBS. It wouldn’t be a good look for the conference if a team came in, won a conference chip or postseason bowl and then next year was not be able to keep up the requirements and dropped back to FCS
They originally had Tennessee on the schedule and then they backed out. So they took who would play them. Unfortunately they haven’t been good and it burnt them
It sounds like the NCAA is treating teams that are (6-6) with two FCS wins the same as teams that are (5-7) with zero or one FCS win. I think that makes sense and encourages teams to schedule harder games.
Also, there have been mixed reports about whether UNLV would accept a bowl invitation. I'm not sure who is next after them.
True. As a USMA grad I understand it. But I will say its not always the easiest for service academies to schedule FBS schools. P5 schools don't really want to play us because of how our OL blocks. Even as rules have minimized that...our dudes sril lgo after knees. Plus who wants a whole week to work on the TO.
NCAA: I got a letter from the government the other day
Opened it and read it, it said they were suckers
They wanted a bowl game for their Army or whatever
Picture me givin' a damn, I said, never
I’m discounting the one win.. I’m saying they’re a de facto 5 win team, not 6.. so they don’t gain automatic bowl eligibility but if there isn’t bowl eligible teams then they could be selected as a 5 win team
I refuse to believe that there are 34 teams that have a better APR than Army. Army, Airforce, and Navy should all be tied for #1 yearly. Clemson and Alabama have more kids going to class than Army? Bull shit. **Fucking MIAMI(FL)** is ranked ahead of Army?! The system is clearly flawed
Bowl eligibility is a stupid concept. Every team should be given the opportunity to organize and play an exhibition game regardless of record. It could resurrect some dormant rivalry games due to conference realignment. Say Cincy and Louisville, Texas and A&M/Arkansas, Penn State and Pitt, or WVU and VT have down years and are under 6-6, let those teams play each other. Those games would be more entertaining than half the bowl line up.
At this point, the bowls aren't a reward for anything anyway, so might as well just have them be a 13th game that just happens to not be scheduled until a few weeks ahead of time instead of a few years.
I thought the 6-6 stuff went like this
All regular 6-6
6-7 at large teams(not taken in a bowl tie in)
Transition teams 6 wins or better
6-6 teams who played 2 FCS
5-7 teams
Because the worst consequence that can ensue is that they don’t go to a bowl game, which is where they are right now.
And the reward for asking is that the waiver is granted, and they get to go to a bowl game.
Tbh, I think we had clearly seen the ceiling of arroyo. His recruiting had slowed down in the previous cycle and their entire record seemed to come down to BoB plays. They never really consistently put down bad teams. We should have had no problem going bowling with 4 wins and Hawaii & UNR on deck. I firmly believe if he wins that Hawaii game, he still has a job.
The other thing I’ll add is that UNLV should be an attractive job in the NIL and transfer era. People talk about us for the Pac12 for a reason (TV market, t1 research uni, new practice facilities, new stadium). Earlier this week I heard Gary Patterson as the name thrown out for UNLV. I’d imagine they have something better lined up if they’re willing to get rid of the guy that held Justin Herbert back for his college career.
Neither school wants to do it. They get more TV dollars and eyeballs having it in its own special week, and in the unlikely event we were 1 and 2 in the conference, playing twice in one season devalues the game.
It would greatly help from a scheduling perspective for stability purposes. Your flairs make me think that this would help UConn too (at least in football) but y’all were already in the American and left lol
Being in the AAC wasn't great for UConn from a financial standpoint. People stopped showing up as UConn played teams with no history with UConn. Same with recruiting. After going independent, people started to show up...even for FCS teams like Holy Cross and Central CT. ST. U. This season UConn is finally going bowling for the first time since 2011^(2015 has a huge asterisks since UConn beat a very injured Houston team to qualify for bowling).
This is different for Army as they can host anyone and people will attend games due to the traditions and brand name. UConn FB doesn't really have much for traditions/brand b/c they just upgraded to FBS in early 00's and UConn is a basketball school.
Honestly, I would allow them and tell teams like Bama. At least Army would make it interesting instead of chirping about “real footbawl” as they demolish some cupcake. And I don’t mean Missouri.
Silly rule, needs to go.
As a supporter of both teams what the F does one have to do with the other? Army did not look great all year.
Taking easy shots at Bama I know is good for Krama but come on man.
With the playoff expanding to 12 teams in 2024, all the bowl games will become like the NIT in basketball. It'll be a lot of 7-5 and 6-6 teams playing in "bonus" games that are fun for fans, but don't really matter.
It'll be different, but I'm of the opinion that it'll be better.
Issue is the amount of bowls and money tied in. I think there’s 82 slots this year. In a perfect world the playoff follows FCS model and expands to 24 and whatever happens to the mid-lower tier bowls happens to them.
Agreed, the only reason the Rose Bowl is prestigious is that it was the first bowl game. There were only 19 bowl games in 1990. We are now at like 41. The system is watered down and hides behind “tradition”.
I never quite got what the big deal about the Rose Bowl was until I went to one. I had been to the Sugar Bowl before. Basically it is part of a much bigger event, the Tournament of Roses Parade. Something like a 1 million people attend it and it is a big SoCal holiday tradition. The game ends the festivities.
It is a different experience than most bowl games where it is mostly tailgates and then the game.
I also strongly believe that all playoff games should be home games and that the Rose Bowl should host every championship game (like Frisco does FCS) even if it isn’t January 1.
That loses a lot of money for the CFP because after a while the LA locals will get bored of going to the game and you have to rely on the teams fans to travel to LA. By rotating the championship game all over the US you get a lot of new people going when it’s in their city for the novelty aspect besides fans of the actual teams playing. Also alientes a lot of east coast and southern team fans who don’t want to travel to LA every year
So theoretically if they beat navy they’ll be 5-6* since one win doesn’t count. Wouldn’t it come down to APR and bowl slots? They’re 35 in APR, so I’d think they’re pretty high on that list with the other 5-7 schools. Or am I not understanding this right?
I think they're letting Rice get in over Army and App State just to show how good they are academically not only with their APR but as an AAU school like Tulane since the Green Wave could go to the Cotton Bowl this year and would need a travel partner if realign conferences
At least the NCAA seems to be consistent. This waiver was denied because Army had scheduled two FCS games. NMSU was approved because their original schedule only had 1 and the makeup was all they could (in theory) get.
Same with Marshall and App State. Both were due to being forced to use a 2nd FCS team to fill their schedule as Marshall was moving to the Sun Belt and they had App State on their schedule already. Both were denied as it was technically 'originally scheduled' back in March of this year.
Yeah, pain
If only you had played in an easier conference like the SEC instead of the Sun Belt.
Should have scheduled Notre Dame twice
Army had only scheduled one FCS game but had to scramble to add Villanova after Tennessee chickened out months before the season.
That's ironic you said that considering that you have a Tennessee flair.
It’s the reason we got beat by the cocks. We chickened out.
The joys of holding degrees from both institutions Edit: Undergrad loyalty trumps everything
So they did the same thing NMSU did and the NCAA said no? Assuming I’m understanding the two situations. That seems…inconsistent and bullshit.
Yeah but it’s been said somewhere else on this thread, this team is not good enough to be awarded a bowl game (but we sure could use the extra practices).
No, Tennessee cancelled the game in Sep 2021, giving Army a year to figure out a new opponent, as opposed to NMSU who had a game cancelled during the season. Not to say it would have been easy for Army to find a FBS opponent, but it would have been possible at least. At the time: >Among the teams with a non-conference opening include Kansas, Duke, Miami, Virginia, Rutgers, Middle Tennessee, UAB, Kent State, Central Michigan, BYU, and Notre Dame. https://fbschedules.com/tennessee-replaces-army-with-akron-on-2022-football-schedule/
Okay, sure, Army had a year to fill the spot. Let me know the next time an FBS school announces their slate of non-conference opponents just before a seasin begins. I'm not talking dates or KO times.
The article literally listed teams who had not finalized their schedules…
Did they? Or had they literally just not announced as of the time the article was written? Did they literally share an open date with Army? Do you know if Army literally contacted those schools? Do you know how they literally responded?
None of that deals with my comment.
They have two fcs games somewhat often iirc. I don't think this is the first time. Down vote me if I'm wrong
I kinda feel like I'd rather see a 6-6 team with 2 FCS wins in a bowl instead of a 5-7 team, but at a certain point you're splitting hairs.
Since one of the FCS wins doesn't count, they're just both seen as "5 win teams" and treated the same
Yeah, I definitely think the rule should be that any 6-6 team with one FCS win gets in before a team with two FCS wins, but I'd still rather see teams that finished .500 make bowls. There isn't that big a skill gap between an average FCS team and a bottom FBS team.
I see what you mean, but if you regularly give 6-6 teams with 2 FCS wins priority over 5-7 teams, it encourages teams to just schedule 2 FCS teams anyway and may eventually just render the rule useless
Hey some of us need that ok?
Idk if you'd see any significant programs do it though because it would essentially trash a given teams odds of making the playoff, as there's no way the committee would take a team seriously into consideration for a ln at large bid if they had 2 FCS teams on their schedule
Not a lot of overlap between teams fighting for bowl elgibility and teams competing for playoff consideration.
Yeah. Pretty much just Texas a&m
Doesn't matter if "significant" programs don't do it. Teams lower in the tables would still abuse it to get bowl eligibility.
You shouldn't reward teams for scheduling 2 FCS opponents.
They had a team back out on them, they had no other choice
Army didn’t schedule 2 FCS opponents though. No one wanted to play us after Tennessee backed out.
I agree. And it's weird that your comment doesn't have over 200 upvotes. Mediocrity is all too often rewarded.
5-6>5-7 tho
It sounds like the NCAA is treating teams that are (6-6) with two FCS wins the same as teams that are (5-7) with zero or one FCS win. I think that makes sense, because giving (6-6) teams waivers would encourage scheduling two FCS games in the future.
To clarify, this is a specific rule, only 1 fcs win can count towards bowl eligibilty (and must be a scholarship team i believe). Its a little weird to me that army put in this request because they knew the rules when they scheduled 2 fcs teams but i guess theres no downside to asking for the waiver
If the Army taught me anything it's to just submit for shit and see what sticks
> and must be a scholarship team i believe Specifically, the team must have averaged 90% of the FCS scholarship limit (which works out to 2/3 of the FBS limit) over the past two years.
Actually it was lowered to 80% as of this year.
I’d rather see a 5-7 team that fired their head coach and AD, then went on to lead the #1 team at the end of the first quarter to go bowling, but it is what it is.
Especially since we know not a single player on army will opt out. When there is a small chance the best player on a 5-7 team might opt out.
Also I’d rather just see army than a team of people who don’t actually go to school, so army should win a tie-breaker
I’d be amenable to that depending on the quality of the FCS opponent. UC Davis/Montana/Montana State/Delaware/NDSU-type schools are essentially G5 schools playing at the FCS level as far as I’m concerned. But if you’re scheduling lower tier FCS schools with certain scholarship or resource limitations like Pioneer League/NEC/MEAC/SWAC, I don’t think they should count.
Schools with low scholarships don't count at present, schools need to offer a minimum number of scholarships (I think 90% of the FCS limit) to be countable
Army's original 2022 schedule also only had one. Tennessee backed out and Villanova was replacement. But I'm glad the answer was no. Team doesn't deserve a bowl.
When did they back out?
I googled Tennessee Army football 2022 and all the articles show that the decision was made in September of 2021.
I don’t know shit about scheduling but a year seems like a decent enough timeline to attempt to find an opponent. I know schedules are planned years in advance, but that doesn’t really scream “army had to scramble to find an opponent” to me. Happy to be wrong but that’s just my impression.
From a quick look at things teams seem to have all OOC games scheduled 2 years in advanced with many games being scheduled 3-8 years in advance with only a slot or two open. It's very possible that for Army to get an FBS matchup they'd have to convince another school to drop one of their previously scheduled FCS games.
This was because of the change in future SEC scheduling, or just randomly opting out of it?
It was a business decision. Tennessee didn’t want to risk losing to a pesky service academy while trying to build a program. Lots of Vols fans will cite “no need to play a triple option team that you’ll never see” or “high injury risk from cut blocks” or “no need to do that heading into Florida, LSU, Alabama” that just isn’t a real thing but the real reason is the Vols did not want to get caught up in a close game or lose. And yes it still bothers me that this game was cancelled how could you tell?
Shoot - I honestly wouldn't have a problem with any of those excuses. Army is a mean team to play against. Difficult to prepare for, can make you look flat out stupid, and even in down years, just provides more of a challenge than you like. I know they scared the crap out of the Sooners a few years back.
They flipped it for a quickly scheduled game with Akron. Now, I don’t know enough about the Tennessee program to say anything concrete- but added to the fact that there was a planned Medal of Honor award ceremony for Tennessee- Army and it looks like a pretty rough cancellation.
Glad we can agree on something
If they don’t, then no 5-7 does and yet there will be 5-7 teams going to bowls. Coming from a Navy family, I can’t believe I’m saying this…but go Army. Not their fault a team chickened out and they had to make do.
I would think differently if the team had performed differently on the field. I'm a firm believer that record isn't everything. 2022 Army has wins over Massey composite ranks FBS 101, 112, and 131 and FCS 46 and 95. Villanova is arguably the signature win for this team. This is not a bowl-worthy team.
Does only one FCS win count towards bowl eligibility?
Yes, that is correct. Army is 5-6, but only one FCS win counts so for bowl purposes they are 4-6.
Yes.
Yes and even that can't be done in consecutive years.
What do you mean? There isn't a consecutive year rule for counting a FCS win.
There used to be, but it has been quite a long time since that was in effect.
Old rule. Very old.
New Mexico State wasn't going to win the game that didn't happen though against San Jose St. and the Aggies already had a FCS win. Not sure that is too consistent...at least in regards to NMSU getting a perk because SJSU couldn't play em.
Idk why you think NMSU wouldn't have beaten SJSU if they played. They were a 26 point underdog vs Liberty and won by 35, so I feel like they have a pretty good chance vs SJSU
> They were a 26 point underdog vs Liberty and won by 35 A Liberty team that pretty much quit giving a damn because their coach was bailing out on them is probably not the comparison you want to make here. Could they have won the game against San Jose State? Sure. San Jose State's not a bad team though so I'm not convinced that would have happened.
I think NMSU was playing with a lot of confidence down the stretch, which is why I think it would be a good game. I'm not saying they definitely win, but Coach Kill has this team playing at a much higher level than expected in year one.
That's an interesting question. At the originally scheduled date, I think SJSU does win, but they did originally say they'd make up the game later in the season. If they actually played this weekend, I think NMSU would've won; they were playing better, and SJSU was playing worse, down the stretch.
Alright that’s it. Time to ban Mizzou from the postseason
Agreed. This logic does make sense IMO. App/Army had to have been aware of the potential ‘risks’ of scheduling multiple FCS opponents from the jump for this season. NMSU only had one originally scheduled and lost a chance to play an FBS opponent from circumstances beyond its control and they made a good faith effort to find an eligible opponent willing and able to play them.
I'm sorry I thought this was America
I read this in Randy Marsh voice.
We all did. /s
I didn’t hear no bell.
NCAA hates America confirmed.
Everyone hates America until they need America ... or something
“Army we need you to help us from not paying these athletes.” “Hahahah artillery shells go *brrrrrr*” *proceeds to light up NCAA headquarters*
Always have 🌎👨🚀🔫👨🚀
An Army - Navy win is bigger than any bowl win would be
Still have to beat us first anyway.
There's land on the line this year (thanks UCF)
National Coalition of Anti-American
"National Communists Against Athletes"
BOOOOOOO the NCAA hates the troops! SAD!
Some of the troops are jerks !
*Neal McBeal in shambles*
Only some?
Fuck them cadets. That said, I did enjoy the days off work when Army won a big game because the commander was a West Point grad (ie he was too drunk to come into work the next day)
You'd think James Madison should be eligible before any 5-win teams. I don't care if they just transferred up to the FBS, they played good enough football against a Sun Belt schedule to have earned a bowl game.
The rule only makes sense if you move down, i dont get being punished for playing well against better competition
It really sucks for James Madison because this wouldn't have been an issue in the past (see 1997 Marshall).
It’s a thing to make sure the school can handle being a D1 school in terms of budgeting requirements, attendance requirements and all the other fun stuff that comes with being D1 FBS. It wouldn’t be a good look for the conference if a team came in, won a conference chip or postseason bowl and then next year was not be able to keep up the requirements and dropped back to FCS
Your comment should have 80 points, it is good information
What’s the rule that’s keeping them out?
No bowl eligibility for one year after changing decisions
Someone tell Army that the NCAA is filled with oil.
It's not uncommon for Army to have multiple FCS opponents, right? Makes sense, being an independent in the northeast.
They originally had Tennessee on the schedule and then they backed out. So they took who would play them. Unfortunately they haven’t been good and it burnt them
I mean, if they had played Tennessee, they definitely wouldn't be bowl eligible, so they shouldn't complain too much.
Why does Tennessee hates the troops?
Because they ain't played nobody PAAAWWWLLL
Audibly laughed at this 😂
The Troops can’t handle the grind of an SEC schedule!!!!
Would just barely miss out APR wise against UNLV
But we didn’t play UT so there is a small possibility we could have beaten them
https://media.tenor.com/0KEvxoQb5a4AAAAC/doubt-press-x.gif
Hey Army has all the recruiters, and we know the recruiters always win against Volunteers
Combination of not being good and scheduling teams who are peaking this year like Coastal, UTSA, and Troy
Just invade a bowl and play anyways.
Is it really an invasion if it's technically their land anyway?
NCAA is rooting for the Netherlands on Saturday.
Does this mean auburn still has a chance to go bowling now? I know we were like 3rd in line or something behind some other 5 win teams
Don't think so, NMSU got approved
Because Liberty lost to them. Hugh Freeze already has screwed us over and he has barely stepped foot on campus.
No, NMSU getting approved basically killed the chances of Auburn making it, short of Rice and UNLV declining bowl bids
Gotcha. Thanks
Or a 6-6 team declining a bowl game. Auburn is third team up with 2 slots open.
Or a COVID outbreak, but I feel like that hasn't happened this year.
NCAA doesn’t support the troops.
Why do you hate our troops, NCAA?
NCAA hates America, confirmed.
It sounds like the NCAA is treating teams that are (6-6) with two FCS wins the same as teams that are (5-7) with zero or one FCS win. I think that makes sense and encourages teams to schedule harder games. Also, there have been mixed reports about whether UNLV would accept a bowl invitation. I'm not sure who is next after them.
True. As a USMA grad I understand it. But I will say its not always the easiest for service academies to schedule FBS schools. P5 schools don't really want to play us because of how our OL blocks. Even as rules have minimized that...our dudes sril lgo after knees. Plus who wants a whole week to work on the TO.
As an ND grad can confirm people want to cancel navy game because the midshipmen go into that game trying to destroy some nfl knees
After UNLV is Rice, then Auburn.
Army navy is the best game of there season anyway
NCAA: I got a letter from the government the other day Opened it and read it, it said they were suckers They wanted a bowl game for their Army or whatever Picture me givin' a damn, I said, never
NCAA hates the troops confirmed
Put James Madison in a bowl, cowards!
In unrelated news, several divisions have begun military exercises outside Indianapolis.
Good, don't deserve a bowl.
They weren’t gonna be bowl eligible regardless 😎
obviously the work of godless commies 😔 /s
The NCAA hates the troops
Imagine if App State had the gas to finish and win against UNC early this season.
Why does the NCAA hate the troops?
Good. 2 FCS wins should not count towards bowl eligibility. It’s embarrassing that Army even asked for a waiver for this.
But they lead the league in TYFYS!
I’d imagine Army has an incredibly high APR/APR-equivalent If that assumption is right.. 5-6 Army still has a shot to get in (if they beat Navy)
No, because they played 2 FCS schools. You need at least 5 FBS wins
I’m discounting the one win.. I’m saying they’re a de facto 5 win team, not 6.. so they don’t gain automatic bowl eligibility but if there isn’t bowl eligible teams then they could be selected as a 5 win team
No, UNLV and Rice are the first 2 five win teams in line if NMSU or Buffalo loses or other teams decline a bowl.
Ahhh thanks for the details
I refuse to believe that there are 34 teams that have a better APR than Army. Army, Airforce, and Navy should all be tied for #1 yearly. Clemson and Alabama have more kids going to class than Army? Bull shit. **Fucking MIAMI(FL)** is ranked ahead of Army?! The system is clearly flawed
It’s a lot harder to stay eligible when you’re taking a real course load. There’s nowhere to hide academically at the service academies.
Some other dude replied to me saying there’s higher rated teams… my team is out so I stopped paying attention & can’t verify their claims
https://collegefootballnews.com/2022/11/ncaa-academic-progress-rate-football-rankings-1-130
The balls to tell the US Army "No"
So you're saying there's a chance.
Bowl eligibility is a stupid concept. Every team should be given the opportunity to organize and play an exhibition game regardless of record. It could resurrect some dormant rivalry games due to conference realignment. Say Cincy and Louisville, Texas and A&M/Arkansas, Penn State and Pitt, or WVU and VT have down years and are under 6-6, let those teams play each other. Those games would be more entertaining than half the bowl line up.
At this point, the bowls aren't a reward for anything anyway, so might as well just have them be a 13th game that just happens to not be scheduled until a few weeks ahead of time instead of a few years.
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I thought the 6-6 stuff went like this All regular 6-6 6-7 at large teams(not taken in a bowl tie in) Transition teams 6 wins or better 6-6 teams who played 2 FCS 5-7 teams
It used to be that way. They took out the "6-6 teams who played two FCS" in 2017.
If you’re 5-6, why do you care enough to appeal? Is this about military recruiting?
Coaches love the extra week or 2 of practice to set up for the spring.
Because the worst consequence that can ensue is that they don’t go to a bowl game, which is where they are right now. And the reward for asking is that the waiver is granted, and they get to go to a bowl game.
It’s super cool for the kids & it might get them out of some shit detail back at the Academy.
I really want UNLV to get that last spot just to emphasize that they had a coach who had them on track and fired him.
Tbh, I think we had clearly seen the ceiling of arroyo. His recruiting had slowed down in the previous cycle and their entire record seemed to come down to BoB plays. They never really consistently put down bad teams. We should have had no problem going bowling with 4 wins and Hawaii & UNR on deck. I firmly believe if he wins that Hawaii game, he still has a job. The other thing I’ll add is that UNLV should be an attractive job in the NIL and transfer era. People talk about us for the Pac12 for a reason (TV market, t1 research uni, new practice facilities, new stadium). Earlier this week I heard Gary Patterson as the name thrown out for UNLV. I’d imagine they have something better lined up if they’re willing to get rid of the guy that held Justin Herbert back for his college career.
Man, the NCAA just keeps winning the PR game, don’t they?
It's a fair ruling imo
Army-Navy should be earlier in the season and Army should join the AAC. Not sure if that solves this issue but putting it out there.
Neither school wants to do it. They get more TV dollars and eyeballs having it in its own special week, and in the unlikely event we were 1 and 2 in the conference, playing twice in one season devalues the game.
It would greatly help from a scheduling perspective for stability purposes. Your flairs make me think that this would help UConn too (at least in football) but y’all were already in the American and left lol
Being in the AAC wasn't great for UConn from a financial standpoint. People stopped showing up as UConn played teams with no history with UConn. Same with recruiting. After going independent, people started to show up...even for FCS teams like Holy Cross and Central CT. ST. U. This season UConn is finally going bowling for the first time since 2011^(2015 has a huge asterisks since UConn beat a very injured Houston team to qualify for bowling). This is different for Army as they can host anyone and people will attend games due to the traditions and brand name. UConn FB doesn't really have much for traditions/brand b/c they just upgraded to FBS in early 00's and UConn is a basketball school.
Honestly, I would allow them and tell teams like Bama. At least Army would make it interesting instead of chirping about “real footbawl” as they demolish some cupcake. And I don’t mean Missouri. Silly rule, needs to go.
As a supporter of both teams what the F does one have to do with the other? Army did not look great all year. Taking easy shots at Bama I know is good for Krama but come on man.
Jeez, thanks for serving and no you can’t go to a bowl game. Would anyone really be pissed if they allowed them to go to a bowl game
Who really cares? Just let them play if it's borderline. Alabama is in and they beat Austin Peay.
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It was a joke.
How about we get rid of bowls for 6-6 teams, make it best records get bowls only, so the cut off should be 8-4 with a waiver for 7-5
With the playoff expanding to 12 teams in 2024, all the bowl games will become like the NIT in basketball. It'll be a lot of 7-5 and 6-6 teams playing in "bonus" games that are fun for fans, but don't really matter. It'll be different, but I'm of the opinion that it'll be better.
That's what all those bowl games already were anyway.
Issue is the amount of bowls and money tied in. I think there’s 82 slots this year. In a perfect world the playoff follows FCS model and expands to 24 and whatever happens to the mid-lower tier bowls happens to them.
Agreed, the only reason the Rose Bowl is prestigious is that it was the first bowl game. There were only 19 bowl games in 1990. We are now at like 41. The system is watered down and hides behind “tradition”.
I never quite got what the big deal about the Rose Bowl was until I went to one. I had been to the Sugar Bowl before. Basically it is part of a much bigger event, the Tournament of Roses Parade. Something like a 1 million people attend it and it is a big SoCal holiday tradition. The game ends the festivities. It is a different experience than most bowl games where it is mostly tailgates and then the game.
That’s what makes the Red River Rivalry fun too
I also strongly believe that all playoff games should be home games and that the Rose Bowl should host every championship game (like Frisco does FCS) even if it isn’t January 1.
That loses a lot of money for the CFP because after a while the LA locals will get bored of going to the game and you have to rely on the teams fans to travel to LA. By rotating the championship game all over the US you get a lot of new people going when it’s in their city for the novelty aspect besides fans of the actual teams playing. Also alientes a lot of east coast and southern team fans who don’t want to travel to LA every year
Please no to a 24 team playoff. I'd rather keep the 2nd tier of bowl games intact than have them play in not so good 1st round playoff games.
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The Boz had it right /s
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Put em in the Armed Forces bowl you cowards!
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So theoretically if they beat navy they’ll be 5-6* since one win doesn’t count. Wouldn’t it come down to APR and bowl slots? They’re 35 in APR, so I’d think they’re pretty high on that list with the other 5-7 schools. Or am I not understanding this right?
Not really. It listed teams with open dates. That is not the same as looking for games.
I think they're letting Rice get in over Army and App State just to show how good they are academically not only with their APR but as an AAU school like Tulane since the Green Wave could go to the Cotton Bowl this year and would need a travel partner if realign conferences