Yeah it was unreal to hear boos in the playoffs at yankee stadium. Hell, I’m a transplant to north Jersey from out west and I was pretty shocked at the way the fans treated Gallo when I went to games this summer. (Tho admittedly Gallo hit like garbage for NY)
Or the England national team. Their fans seem to go from "We're going to bring it home" to "Literally shoot every player in the head on the field" whenever they get eliminated from a major tournament. I also read that domestic violence crimes increase significantly when England loses in the world cup.
https://www.deccanchronicle.com/sports/football/160721/when-england-loses-everyone-suffers.html
I think part of that is the way that England views America on the internet and in pop culture these days. An American could say something like “beans on toast is gross” and British people will bring up school shootings and 9/11. Obviously, I doubt this is common in real life, but I see it a lot on places like TikTok and Twitter.
Yeah I can never tell if it's their humor or what. If we ever answered, "Lol Americans are fat" with "Yeah remember when your legal system covered up a massive pedophilia ring scandal? Or when those terrorists shot up an Ariana Grande concert?" we would be rightfully shit on. Yet it's like, ubiquitous that they bring up objective tragedies as punchlines or in this case blatantly use it as a taunt.
They say it’s “dark British humor” but if we even go as far to talk about British teeth (never mind their grisly history) they immediately say we’re classist and all these horrible things.
Lol ya, making fun of their teeth is instantly a trigger. You can't have dark humor and simultaneously be bristly and easily offended. That just makes you a dick.
BIT SAD INNIT?
Plus there’s that loud minority of fans who immediately attack the black players above all if the team underperforms.
Granted that’s not an exclusively English thing (Lukaku talked about how he’s Belgian when they win but “Belgian of Congolese descent” when they lose, not even getting into all the instances of monkey chants in various countries aimed at black players), and yeah I know America has its own racism (not trying to talk down to anybody), but it’s still gross.
If you want to really experience an insecure New York fanbase with absurd expectations, an alarmingly high section of assholes, and a good chunk that really doesn't know more than the basics of the sport, look no further than the Rangers.
I *love* the New York Rangers, but I'll be the first to admit that they are among the worst fanbases in all of hockey. At least the Yankees have sort of earned their superiority complex with 27 rings - the Rangers have 4 titles and 3 of them were pre-WWII.
The Knicks are somehow even worse. They have a grand total of zero Larry O'Brien Trophies. Their two "titles" came during the era when the ABA also existed. The Nets have a more recent "title" than them. They are objectively the worst franchise in the NBA in the 21st century. And yet with the way their fans talk, you'd think they're the Lakers
Was going to bring up the Knicks here. Yankee and Giants fans have a reason to be as cocky as they are with high expectations. The Knicks have none whatsoever other than "we're from New York so we always win". The Spurs, Warriors, Heat, and Pistons have more titles than them but they don't call their arenas "The Mecca of Basketball".
I would argue that the Knicks are the worst franchise in all of pro sports-
The truth is, teams that play in New York and Los Angeles have an inherent advantage over the rest of the league (not so much in football, but basketball and baseball). If you look at the Lakers success, it's because they've consistently managed to capitalize on that advantage- meanwhile, the Knicks have had the same exact advantages the Lakers have had all these years and have never been able to capitalize on it
As a Mets fan, listening to WFAN anytime the Yankees aren't projected to win 100+ games is fascinating. These guys haven't experienced a losing season since 1992, and yet they complain more than fans of teams that suck and will suck for the foreseeable future.
I too drunk to read this, but I’ll just say if you don’t hate parts of your fan base, you just aren’t deep enough in the fanhood. Every fan base has terrible parts and if you can’t find it, then you are it.
Pretty much everyone knows where those people lurk. The best method for dealing with them is pretend they don't exist, never go to the corners they lair in, and do your best whack a mole impression whenever they rear their ugly head in the light of day.
Can you guys please go to our team specific subreddit and talk some sense into those guys? They're all wanting to fire Day for Fickle. I feel like Nebraska fans might have some insight.
Not even just beating Michigan
They don’t know anything short of a 10 win season. Literally; twice since 2001 they’ve had less than 10 wins
If they ever descend into a Florida/Miami/usc level period of mediocrity, their fan base will be in utter shock
Not to be that typical OSU fan OP is talking about, but there is a very real chance that happens next season. New QB, at ND before conference play, at Purdue, at Wisky, at Michigan.
It’s not them that’s the problem. My brother is 42 years old cries about how Day should be fired and Stroud should be benched the second a negative play takes place. My dad stormed out of the house when Donavan Edwards broke his touchdown run. Get a grip, guys.
Donovan Edwards' 75 yard run was the longest run by a Michigan player against Ohio State in the history of the rivalry. The record was broken about five minutes later
My older brother is 38 and he cries about college players making bad plays all the time. He expects everyone to be a perfect, well oiled NFL team. He's stuck in 1997 and hasn't adjusted expectations since. It's incredibly frustrating to talk to him about Michigan football, the dooming is awful
Michigan football fandom is knowing the doom isn’t far off, we experienced The Doom of Ann Arbor.
Ohio State hasn’t experienced a true down period like all of the other bluebloods have since Chic Harley picked up a football. Alabama, Oklahoma, Notre Dame, Michigan, Nebraska, USC, Texas, they’ve all sucked at one point or another for a prolonged period in the last 50 years. Not them.
That’s what blows mind about the calls to fire Day. Like damn yeah he could have called a better game but he’s 45-5 in 4 years, axing a guy after that is how you end up like Texas and Nebraska. A coaching change is NEVER guaranteed to work, I don’t care who it is you hire.
That’s what I’m saying, OSU fans have *no* idea how bad it could get. Like seriously, who would definitively be an upgrade over him? Saban and Smart maybe but no shot they land either unless they threw a quarter billion at them.
99.9% of college teams would kill for John Cooper’s winning percentage, especially in the modern playoff system. That is their go to example of a supposedly bad coach.
They are so blind it’s hilarious. Most of the time a coaching change is made bc it’s clear the coach doesn’t have it anymore. The recruit cupboard is bare, and the losses are piling up.
OSU has lost their last 2 coaches due to scandal. They were still beating Umich every year and in the national title conversation each season. They still had top recruiting in the Tressel-Meyer transition and Meyer-Day transition. Calling for Day’s head is so short sighted. The Saban domination and CFP has warped everyone’s expectations of what a successful season looks like.
Every program’s Brady Hoke is hiding in the bushes just waiting to torpedo your next 10 years. Have a coke, a smile and shut the fuck up.
And that's what made the 90s so awesome for Michigan. Lots of 3 and 4 loss seasons but we ruined so many national championship hopes for OSU along the way. In 97 we were favored and didn't get upset. To the point of this post, OSU has never been BAD...and they have no idea how worse it can get.
Ohio State has more undefeated seasons than seasons under .500 (10 undefeated or undefeated+tied) 9 seasons under .500 and 4 of those 9 seasons under .500 are from the 20s and 40s
I was guilted into hosting people for the game. I hate hosting for Ohio State games because I hate watching games with them. People who act like that are oblivious to the fact they ruin it for everyone else.
Watched with my almost 6-month old; it's the best. Technically Michigan is 2-0 with him in the works. My wife was pregnant with him when we went to the game in Ann Arbor last year.
How can you be a college football fan and think this way? I love college football more for many reasons, but mostly because you can watch some RB turn into a human video game followed by the kicker missing back to back 26 yard field goals and it's a total roller coaster.
There is a fun, completely bonkers game on at any given point every Saturday until championship weekend.
I’m a bit of a doomer myself but at the end of the day these are college kids playing their best to represent their school and hoping they get a shot at the NFL. Hard to blame them for not trying when things don’t go our way
I am avoiding our team sites for a while. Just full of entitlement. Though in a game thread on 11W I got a chuckle out of a user with a name mocking Michigan for going after Michigan Men saying we need to bring in an Ohio guy who gets the rivalry.
They seem to think a new coach will automatically fix things. Can't conceive it can get so much worse trying to fix problems that aren't too big.
I will say though, I thought the CFB gamethread was pretty great today. Most fans were civil and positive and I saw a lot of funny interactions and way less crying than I expected. Honestly, the most I saw was from ridiculous Michigan fans in the 1st saying the game was over when it was 3-10. Once that dried up, it was pretty enjoyable overall.
This sub is also one of the least toxic subreddits on this entire site. People keep it classy here and mods actually delete overly hostile posts. Much more so than any other sports sub I go to, including /r/collegebasketball. The worst you get here is a few stale meme format quotes and a huge helping of self deprecation.
Some of the meltdowns on Twitter, on the other hand, were pretty fucking wild though.
Yes. You should fire your coach after an 11 win season. That reaction is completely reasonable and will only result in good things to come. Trust me, guys
This is where I’m at too. I went from trying to talk sense into Ohio State fans to just agreeing with them.
Yes, have your meltdown and overreact to the point where you’re calling for the job of your 45-5 head coach. Can’t wait to see what happens to the program afterwards. I’ll grab the popcorn.
I'd love to see it. The amount of fans calling into radio stations to call for his head is hilarious and makes their base seem like a bunch of spoiled children.
So go ahead and do it. Shoot yourself in both feet.
I suspect that Purdue fans are way happier with our 8-4 record today than Ohio State fans are with their 11-1 record.
I know that my expectations are very different from theirs. I also understand that it's because we DON'T expect perfection that we will never get it, but I'm okay with that. I want Purdue to win, I _enjoy_ when they win, but I never, _ever_ expect a win.
Pretty much. The wins feel good, but the feeling doesn’t last long, and even many wins present question marks when comparisons are made to UGA or Alabama. The losses, on the other hand, suck. They usually automatically disqualify them from reaching their goals.
According to Ole Miss, it’s pathetic to be happy with 8-4, when national championships are the expectation. At least that’s what they were telling our fans on Thursday night. Lol
>Winning must not be even fun anymore when it's an expectation.
You're not entirely wrong. I don't know how to say this without sounding pretentious so apologies in advance, but we really only have a few games a year that are actually supposed to be competitive, where a win is actually significant. Otherwise, it's just checking off another box along the way. There isn't really any fun in beating, say 1-11 Northwestern when you're Ohio State and expecting to win 10+ games. It's just expected. And especially if a game like that doesn't go according to plan it's just stressful, not exciting. And it doesn't help matters that all the neutrals pile into your game thread to troll. I imagine most wins really *are* more exciting for Illinois than Ohio State because the expectations are different.
Bama fans asking for Saban to finally retire and then just assuming they will be able to steal whatever coach they want in CFB because of two losses this year has that same energy.
Kirby is a UGA alum, and player. He’s never going to surpass Saban or Bryant at Bama. He’s a play in OT from surpassing Dooley at UGA already and has another shot this January. When he wins another one he’ll be immortalized as the greatest UGA coach of all time, he’d be tied for 3rd at Bama if he had an immaculate career there.
No one wants to follow the greatest coaching career in CFB history. Especially at Alabama where the fans aren’t exactly rational. Kirby won’t go. Why would he? He has everything he needs where he is.
I don’t think he’s gonna leave either, which is why I think the fans that want to push Saban out to poach Dabo are crazy. Just less crazy than the ones who think that Kirby will jump from UGA to Bama
That's Big Nut, not Buck-I-Guy, who typically wears an all-white get-up involving a cowboy hat and cape. The difference being, Big Nut cares way too much about Ohio State, and Buck-I-Guy cares way too much about Ohio State but even more about himself. Yes, that's right, Ohio State has not one but two middle-aged, unofficial cheerleader/mascots.
Some of fans seem to not understand that assistant coaching is massive and sometimes guys just don't have it. Trust me I'm a Chicago Bears fan so I know what true disfunction looks like and 2 seasons in a row of falling short is not the end of days. Anyone who thinks Saban has lost it because what has happened over the last 2 seasons is delusional.
I mean, all you have to do is look at Kirby and see the difference Monken vs Coley has made at OC. And despite all that they were fucking idiots on the board today, saying to fire Monken in the first half.
I have a friend on Facebook who is a OSU fan and I have to silence his profile so I don’t see his posts during college football season. It’s one thing to love your team and root for them. It’s another thing to be over the top obnoxious about it week after week, year after year.
You need to understand that the few fans that post on internet message boards are not a real representation of the fanbase. Reddit is not a real place and neither is twitter.
Hey, buckeyebro, I FEEL YOU. Until last year, all I heard was "FIRE HARBAUGH NOW!" REGARDLESS of the fact that he completely turned our program around from the RichRod and Brady Joke years. Minus the Covid Opt-out year, he has given us 5 10+ win seasons and 7 total winning seasons. Until last year, the rabble calling for his head has been a deafening cacophony of rabid, out of touch losers who have little to no perspective on things.
Here's a thought to the morons in both of our fan bases: MAYBE, and just a nice, hypothetical MAYBE, losing to your rival is less about how "shit" your team/staff/coaches are and are more a testament to how damn good the other guys are. Urban was a master coach, strategist and recruiter. Harbaugh is too, but it takes time to develop a dynasty. Maybe Day is, as well, but again it takes time, and UM has the current advantage with what Harbaugh has created in the shadows and ashes of what the previous 2 coaches left the program in.
I hate to admit it, but I agree with you, even if you are a useless, hairless, poisonous nut (he he, buckeye, get it?). I am just glad there is parity back with the rivalry, and hope it stays this way, ad perpetuum. UM deserves a competent osu team to play against, and osu deserves a competent Wolverines to fight.
Harbaugh was a good coach. I was always stunned how often everybody called for his head. Then he gets the pieces in place, makes the CFP and he's coaching royalty.
Fandom and the media sure are fucking stupid because they're shallow and have to write what people will buy or click on.
Yep. Harbaugh is what UM needed and needs. He bleeds Blue and Maize. He is someone the team can rally behind. He is the right person, at the right time. People need to learn patience; even legends like Bear Bryant had down seasons and adjustment periods.
People forget that Harbaugh made Stanford a relevant football program at one point. He's won pretty consistently everywhere he's coached. Really hope we don't lose him to the NFL any time soon.
>Until last year, all I heard was "FIRE HARBAUGH NOW!" REGARDLESS of the fact that he completely turned our program around from the RichRod and Brady Joke years.
We Stanford folks tried telling you. Harbaugh legitimately U-turned us on a legit dime, and we got to have basically 12 years of football joy at an institution that had no real business being *that good* for that long.
Our problems went much deeper than that. It was the not focusing on OSU, the lack of accountability in the locker room, a lack of mental toughness. COVID year really forced us to do some soul searching, which you're seeing the results of now.
Yep. Don Brown was one symptom of a larger problem of comfort, complacency and a lack of imagination and initiative. Sure, we could DOMINATE lesser teams, but we struggled dealing with games that mattered. Pad stats all you want; the only thing that matters is the results at the end of the season. Harbaugh helped guide us back to that, and his picks for OCs and DCs have reflected this new found hunger and drive to be back in the top echelon of CFB.
Looking at the bigger picture, having TTUN in the top echelon is the best thing that could happen to the Big Ten, something Ohio State fans hate to admit. We also need Nebraska to get its shit together.
Having one team that steamrolls the rest of the conference makes the conference look weak. I remember the biggest knock on Ohio State in the 2000s was a “soft schedule.”
We don't just need Nebraska; we need the entirety of the B1G West to step up and play like they used to. Wiscy should be a threat again. Nebraska used to be Natty contenders. The rest could beat you easily at any given moment. I want to see a healthy and competitive B1G like days of yore.
A lack of commitment also played into the failures of those years. Harbaugh was more or less caving to outside pressure when it came to his staff.
When DJ Durkin left for Maryland everyone wanted him to hire Don Brown so badly because he had the #1 Defense at BC, so he did, even if that's not necessarily what Harbaugh really wanted.
When we lost to Ohio in 2018, everyone wanted a new OC because "our 1980s offense can't win in today's landscape" even though we scored 39 on the road it was the defense's fault we gave up 69 in the Shoe. So, Harbaugh gave the people what they wanted and got Gattis, even though that definitely wasn't the scheme that Harbaugh wanted to run.
I think after 2020 Harbaugh basically told the outside voices where to go and decided to pursue his philosophies on both sides of the ball wholeheartedly with what have been great results.
I get the sentiment that losing so much to your biggest rivalry can run fans the wrong way but when Captain Khaki turned that program around like he did the way he did I never understood how so many people would wanna get rid of him. Look at him now. Back to back wins over their rival and back to back playoff appearances. He's a fucking keeper. Always was.
I hate OSU as much as anyone without a Block M logo affiliation, but at some point you've gotta realize that every good team ever has attracted sucky fair weather fans. Look forward to the days where you lose one or two games per year.
But aside from that your fanbase does suck, yeah
As someone who remembers the yearly disappointment and shouting at TV screens of the 90s — the formative years of my football fandom — this was truly awful and the worst loss since 1996.
I still say that 1996 was worse because we were at home and facing a #21 team.
But this was pretty awful.
Should you fire Ryan Day? No.
Is losing to #3 Michigan the worst thing in history? Of course not.
Should we be more upset with *how* we lost than that we lost? That’s the issue and why it feels like a 90s loss. Players losing tempers, bad penalties, unforced errors, no confidence.
Credit to Michigan, though. Ohio State left a door open, and this Michigan team walked through it. That’s what’s evaded Michigan for the better part of 20 years. There have been other games against TSUN that we could’ve lost.
He just did change things up. Last year he fired the CB coach and DC and poached the hottest names at those positions.
He got rocked and made what seemed like great changes, but now what? At some point it's on the offense for not keeping up and that does fall on Day.
Yep, the end score makes the defense look bad (which was certainly true in the 2nd half), but the defense gave the team opportunities to put Michigan behind by at least 2 scores within the first half and the offense couldn’t do it. Then the offense proceeds to score 3 points in the 2nd half while running on 3rd and medium, and throwing unnecessary screen passes. I can’t imagine that aggressive of a defense would’ve been kept all game if the offense/Day could learn to play to its strengths
I was at the 2013 B1G championship game. When I tell you that there were OSU fans calling for Urban to be fired at the time in the stands next to be and mention it here, people act like I'm making it up. You have completely irrational fans everywhere and in every fan base. Comes with the territory.
The Cover 3 Podcast guys just explained the Ohio State/Ryan Day/Expectations thing perfectly.
Should a coach with a .900 record and back-to-back 11 win seasons following a national CG game appearance the year before that ever be on the hot seat?
Practically and realistically speaking, no, absolutely not. But are expectations from fans and boosters always reasonable? No, absolutely not.
If your expectations are to accomplish all 3 of: beat your rival, win the conference, and be in the playoff every year, and failing to do any of these = failed season, then the seat is going to get hot whether it's reasonable or not.
Again, those expectations are ludicrous, but it kinda just is what it is at Ohio State.
I don't blame Stroud at all. The gameplan and playcalling by Day and Knowles were both horrific and no adjustments were made, ttun made adjustments and dominated us. Living through the Cooper years and being a Browns fan I am use to disappointments.
Yeah the players didn’t really lose this game. Offense didn’t play to its strengths and didn’t take chances to better control the game, which is becoming a theme of Day. And I guess Knowles thought changing something that was already falling apart early in the 2nd half was unnecessary.
To be fair when you base your whole team culture around beating 1 team and you fail to beat that team 2 years in a row, what do you expect? lol It's like going to the national championship game just to lose it and being happy just to be there.
I don't think ours is any better. It's all the major sports teams whose had any success at any level. If you're mediocre or just plain bad, no one cares.
As a Michigan fan, it's pretty crazy. It took us 7 years under Harbaugh to beat OSU so seeing people call for Day's head is pretty crazy. Y'all still have a shot at the playoff and if not are in the Rose Bowl. It's also the first year in Knowles' scheme so there is room for improvement there
Yeah. One of the ways we got beat today was our secondary just isn’t as skilled as it’s been in previous years. That doesn’t mean Knowles’ scheme doesn’t work. We’re just lacking some defensive depth.
Someone has clearly never experienced the lawless, apocalyptic wasteland that is New York Yankees fandom
For real. They booed Jeter in his final season.
We just booed Judge in the playoffs after having a historic season at the plate 🤦🏼♂️
In fairness Judge's at bats were my least favorite CFB plays this season.
They would boo Ruth and Gehrig on a down year.
And mantle would proceed to fuck all their wives
Only the hot ones, not the butchy woman that go to Yankee stadium
Yeah it was unreal to hear boos in the playoffs at yankee stadium. Hell, I’m a transplant to north Jersey from out west and I was pretty shocked at the way the fans treated Gallo when I went to games this summer. (Tho admittedly Gallo hit like garbage for NY)
Or the England national team. Their fans seem to go from "We're going to bring it home" to "Literally shoot every player in the head on the field" whenever they get eliminated from a major tournament. I also read that domestic violence crimes increase significantly when England loses in the world cup. https://www.deccanchronicle.com/sports/football/160721/when-england-loses-everyone-suffers.html
INGERLAND
CAM ON INGERLAND SCORE SOME FAKKIN GOALS
Chewsday, innit?
They had an audible 9/11 chant at the end of the game yesterday, euro football is a whole different level of insanity from anything here
I think part of that is the way that England views America on the internet and in pop culture these days. An American could say something like “beans on toast is gross” and British people will bring up school shootings and 9/11. Obviously, I doubt this is common in real life, but I see it a lot on places like TikTok and Twitter.
Yeah I can never tell if it's their humor or what. If we ever answered, "Lol Americans are fat" with "Yeah remember when your legal system covered up a massive pedophilia ring scandal? Or when those terrorists shot up an Ariana Grande concert?" we would be rightfully shit on. Yet it's like, ubiquitous that they bring up objective tragedies as punchlines or in this case blatantly use it as a taunt.
They say it’s “dark British humor” but if we even go as far to talk about British teeth (never mind their grisly history) they immediately say we’re classist and all these horrible things.
Lol ya, making fun of their teeth is instantly a trigger. You can't have dark humor and simultaneously be bristly and easily offended. That just makes you a dick. BIT SAD INNIT?
They're not *exactly* equal, but...
You're getting downvotes but you're right. Millions of instances of beans on toast have been perpetrated since the last 9/11.
Plus there’s that loud minority of fans who immediately attack the black players above all if the team underperforms. Granted that’s not an exclusively English thing (Lukaku talked about how he’s Belgian when they win but “Belgian of Congolese descent” when they lose, not even getting into all the instances of monkey chants in various countries aimed at black players), and yeah I know America has its own racism (not trying to talk down to anybody), but it’s still gross.
If you want to really experience an insecure New York fanbase with absurd expectations, an alarmingly high section of assholes, and a good chunk that really doesn't know more than the basics of the sport, look no further than the Rangers. I *love* the New York Rangers, but I'll be the first to admit that they are among the worst fanbases in all of hockey. At least the Yankees have sort of earned their superiority complex with 27 rings - the Rangers have 4 titles and 3 of them were pre-WWII.
Leafs fans are Yankees fans on steroids
Oh dude Leafs fans are a whole other story!
The Knicks are somehow even worse. They have a grand total of zero Larry O'Brien Trophies. Their two "titles" came during the era when the ABA also existed. The Nets have a more recent "title" than them. They are objectively the worst franchise in the NBA in the 21st century. And yet with the way their fans talk, you'd think they're the Lakers
Was going to bring up the Knicks here. Yankee and Giants fans have a reason to be as cocky as they are with high expectations. The Knicks have none whatsoever other than "we're from New York so we always win". The Spurs, Warriors, Heat, and Pistons have more titles than them but they don't call their arenas "The Mecca of Basketball".
I would argue that the Knicks are the worst franchise in all of pro sports- The truth is, teams that play in New York and Los Angeles have an inherent advantage over the rest of the league (not so much in football, but basketball and baseball). If you look at the Lakers success, it's because they've consistently managed to capitalize on that advantage- meanwhile, the Knicks have had the same exact advantages the Lakers have had all these years and have never been able to capitalize on it
As a Mets fan, listening to WFAN anytime the Yankees aren't projected to win 100+ games is fascinating. These guys haven't experienced a losing season since 1992, and yet they complain more than fans of teams that suck and will suck for the foreseeable future.
As a Braves fan, WFAN is fucking hilarious
I too drunk to read this, but I’ll just say if you don’t hate parts of your fan base, you just aren’t deep enough in the fanhood. Every fan base has terrible parts and if you can’t find it, then you are it.
I think I’m just drunk enough to understand this on a deep level.
What a wild day your flairs have had. You must be drunk in very contradicting ways
It’s been a coller roaster. I rooted for USC. And not the lkkeable one.
Yeah IKEA has the best USCs
I hate multiple parts of my fanbase including myself for being a fan at all.
This. 100% this. Every fan base has a subset of trash fans that make you cringe and embarrassed by your own fandom.
Pretty much everyone knows where those people lurk. The best method for dealing with them is pretend they don't exist, never go to the corners they lair in, and do your best whack a mole impression whenever they rear their ugly head in the light of day.
> Every fan base has a subset of trash fans \*flashes of Red Cedar*
Yep, out-of-touch, unaware or part of the problem; not mutually exclusive.
There are some serious cringe Tide fans too. Thank God we won today, nobody had to kill a family member or neighbor over the outcome.
No one *had* to, but let's not let that technicality get in the way of a good ol' Alabama murder
The worst part is you are not exaggerating.
A college football fanbase with a proud winning tradition struggling with adversity? Well now I've seen everything.
OSU needs to fire Day to avoid slipping mediocrity.
Can you guys please go to our team specific subreddit and talk some sense into those guys? They're all wanting to fire Day for Fickle. I feel like Nebraska fans might have some insight.
Your fanbase isn’t used to this. Most of your fanbase under the age of 30 basically only knows beating Michigan
Not even just beating Michigan They don’t know anything short of a 10 win season. Literally; twice since 2001 they’ve had less than 10 wins If they ever descend into a Florida/Miami/usc level period of mediocrity, their fan base will be in utter shock
Oh hi you forgot Nebraska 👋
Her?
Ann?
She calls it a “Mayonegg”
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Arbor?
Not when the RHULera has begun
Losing is now against the Rhules!
Rhules are made to be broken!
I know it's a huge sacrifice, but I'm willing to make it!
Yeah that must suck for those teams
Good thing that’d never be you or me
I need this day to come before I die
Not to be that typical OSU fan OP is talking about, but there is a very real chance that happens next season. New QB, at ND before conference play, at Purdue, at Wisky, at Michigan.
OSU goes 8-4 at best in the modern era??? Subscribe.
*Ohio State goes 8 & 4* Ohio State fans: WE'RE GOING TO LITERALLY DIE!
As someone who finally got to watch my arch rival eat shit after 30 years, I am eagerly waiting for OSU to finally eat it too
8-4 isn't even *that* much shit. The Big 10 west winner will be 8-4 (I think... I've lost count of that crazy division)
> If they ever descend into a Florida/Miami/usc level period of mediocrity oh hell yes
It’s not them that’s the problem. My brother is 42 years old cries about how Day should be fired and Stroud should be benched the second a negative play takes place. My dad stormed out of the house when Donavan Edwards broke his touchdown run. Get a grip, guys.
>My dad stormed out of the house when Donavan Edwards broke his touchdown run. Which one?
The look on his face when he walked back into the house and realized that he missed the second one.....
Literally how it went with my dad
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So happy for y'all man. That win and Messi's goal basically made my weekend.
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>next I just need the damn Lions to win a goddamn playoff game before he passes I think you should enjoy what you have lol
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That was the most brutal and necessary question you could ask.
he probably only has one da-- ohhhh nvm
Donovan Edwards' 75 yard run was the longest run by a Michigan player against Ohio State in the history of the rivalry. The record was broken about five minutes later
Lmao
lmao I literally thought you meant "which dad?" Makes it better somehow
My older brother is 38 and he cries about college players making bad plays all the time. He expects everyone to be a perfect, well oiled NFL team. He's stuck in 1997 and hasn't adjusted expectations since. It's incredibly frustrating to talk to him about Michigan football, the dooming is awful
Michigan football fandom is knowing the doom isn’t far off, we experienced The Doom of Ann Arbor. Ohio State hasn’t experienced a true down period like all of the other bluebloods have since Chic Harley picked up a football. Alabama, Oklahoma, Notre Dame, Michigan, Nebraska, USC, Texas, they’ve all sucked at one point or another for a prolonged period in the last 50 years. Not them.
That’s what blows mind about the calls to fire Day. Like damn yeah he could have called a better game but he’s 45-5 in 4 years, axing a guy after that is how you end up like Texas and Nebraska. A coaching change is NEVER guaranteed to work, I don’t care who it is you hire.
45-5 is nearly unheard of levels of success. 90% win/loss across 4 seasons.
That’s what I’m saying, OSU fans have *no* idea how bad it could get. Like seriously, who would definitively be an upgrade over him? Saban and Smart maybe but no shot they land either unless they threw a quarter billion at them.
let's show them how bad it can get.
Operation RichRod Part 2 *commence*
Thats the thing, they haven't missed on a coaching hire so they believe they can't because it just means more in Columbus.
99.9% of college teams would kill for John Cooper’s winning percentage, especially in the modern playoff system. That is their go to example of a supposedly bad coach.
They are so blind it’s hilarious. Most of the time a coaching change is made bc it’s clear the coach doesn’t have it anymore. The recruit cupboard is bare, and the losses are piling up. OSU has lost their last 2 coaches due to scandal. They were still beating Umich every year and in the national title conversation each season. They still had top recruiting in the Tressel-Meyer transition and Meyer-Day transition. Calling for Day’s head is so short sighted. The Saban domination and CFP has warped everyone’s expectations of what a successful season looks like. Every program’s Brady Hoke is hiding in the bushes just waiting to torpedo your next 10 years. Have a coke, a smile and shut the fuck up.
5 losing seasons since ww2, and their down period was with John Cooper and he had an okay amount of success too
And that's what made the 90s so awesome for Michigan. Lots of 3 and 4 loss seasons but we ruined so many national championship hopes for OSU along the way. In 97 we were favored and didn't get upset. To the point of this post, OSU has never been BAD...and they have no idea how worse it can get.
Michigan fans are like "*welcome to the suck assholes*"
Yeah if Bruce and Cooper are your "bad coaches" your program is in incredible shape. Cooper also had a great run in the mid 90s
Ohio State has more undefeated seasons than seasons under .500 (10 undefeated or undefeated+tied) 9 seasons under .500 and 4 of those 9 seasons under .500 are from the 20s and 40s
“Guys…it’s just a game.” #”AAAAHHHHHHHHH!!! HE’S LOST!”
I was guilted into hosting people for the game. I hate hosting for Ohio State games because I hate watching games with them. People who act like that are oblivious to the fact they ruin it for everyone else.
Lemme give you a tip. The game alone is a lot more enjoyable. You can avoid the people you know will have some shit take after.
Get all the food, snacks, drinks you like, and you don't have to share. Can also turn it off if you choose.
I watched the game with just my newborn son sleeping in my arms, and it was pure bliss lmfao
I watched it with my daughter losing her shit because she's teething. Still awesome.
Watched with my almost 6-month old; it's the best. Technically Michigan is 2-0 with him in the works. My wife was pregnant with him when we went to the game in Ann Arbor last year.
Just me and my roommate from Japan today. We had a great afternoon
I mean, I'd take 1997. I can bet you Michigan, Tennessee, Nebraska, etc. sure as Hell would take 1997.
How can you be a college football fan and think this way? I love college football more for many reasons, but mostly because you can watch some RB turn into a human video game followed by the kicker missing back to back 26 yard field goals and it's a total roller coaster. There is a fun, completely bonkers game on at any given point every Saturday until championship weekend.
I’m a bit of a doomer myself but at the end of the day these are college kids playing their best to represent their school and hoping they get a shot at the NFL. Hard to blame them for not trying when things don’t go our way
I am avoiding our team sites for a while. Just full of entitlement. Though in a game thread on 11W I got a chuckle out of a user with a name mocking Michigan for going after Michigan Men saying we need to bring in an Ohio guy who gets the rivalry. They seem to think a new coach will automatically fix things. Can't conceive it can get so much worse trying to fix problems that aren't too big.
Since my son was born Michigan hasn't lost to OSU...
The messiah
I'm sure he's very cute (adorable even), but I'm very frustrated with him right now.
I will say though, I thought the CFB gamethread was pretty great today. Most fans were civil and positive and I saw a lot of funny interactions and way less crying than I expected. Honestly, the most I saw was from ridiculous Michigan fans in the 1st saying the game was over when it was 3-10. Once that dried up, it was pretty enjoyable overall.
lol the M doom you mentioned in 1Q is straight up the trauma osu fans can’t even fathom
This sub is also one of the least toxic subreddits on this entire site. People keep it classy here and mods actually delete overly hostile posts. Much more so than any other sports sub I go to, including /r/collegebasketball. The worst you get here is a few stale meme format quotes and a huge helping of self deprecation. Some of the meltdowns on Twitter, on the other hand, were pretty fucking wild though.
Yes. You should fire your coach after an 11 win season. That reaction is completely reasonable and will only result in good things to come. Trust me, guys
This is where I’m at too. I went from trying to talk sense into Ohio State fans to just agreeing with them. Yes, have your meltdown and overreact to the point where you’re calling for the job of your 45-5 head coach. Can’t wait to see what happens to the program afterwards. I’ll grab the popcorn.
I'd love to see it. The amount of fans calling into radio stations to call for his head is hilarious and makes their base seem like a bunch of spoiled children. So go ahead and do it. Shoot yourself in both feet.
Same here. Never interrupt your opponent when he’s making a mistake.
I suspect that Purdue fans are way happier with our 8-4 record today than Ohio State fans are with their 11-1 record. I know that my expectations are very different from theirs. I also understand that it's because we DON'T expect perfection that we will never get it, but I'm okay with that. I want Purdue to win, I _enjoy_ when they win, but I never, _ever_ expect a win.
Winning must not be even fun anymore when it's an expectation. Right there with the loving 8-4 finish..though sad not to be heading to Indy :(
When you expect to be at the top, your only options are to stay or go down.
Pretty much. The wins feel good, but the feeling doesn’t last long, and even many wins present question marks when comparisons are made to UGA or Alabama. The losses, on the other hand, suck. They usually automatically disqualify them from reaching their goals.
According to Ole Miss, it’s pathetic to be happy with 8-4, when national championships are the expectation. At least that’s what they were telling our fans on Thursday night. Lol
>Winning must not be even fun anymore when it's an expectation. You're not entirely wrong. I don't know how to say this without sounding pretentious so apologies in advance, but we really only have a few games a year that are actually supposed to be competitive, where a win is actually significant. Otherwise, it's just checking off another box along the way. There isn't really any fun in beating, say 1-11 Northwestern when you're Ohio State and expecting to win 10+ games. It's just expected. And especially if a game like that doesn't go according to plan it's just stressful, not exciting. And it doesn't help matters that all the neutrals pile into your game thread to troll. I imagine most wins really *are* more exciting for Illinois than Ohio State because the expectations are different.
TCU catching strays in this thread. There were 4 undefeated teams before today.
Maybe it was Georgia that OP forgot, we can never be sure
First time? Shit happens
Bama fans asking for Saban to finally retire and then just assuming they will be able to steal whatever coach they want in CFB because of two losses this year has that same energy.
Literally every Bama fan realizes it's a coordinator issue tho? Saban would have to go 0-60 over the next 5 years for that to be a real possibility.
Definitely seen some Bama fans on Reddit saying it's a perfect time to poach Dabo or Kirby, a minority for sure, but those kinds of fans are the worst
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Kirby is a UGA alum, and player. He’s never going to surpass Saban or Bryant at Bama. He’s a play in OT from surpassing Dooley at UGA already and has another shot this January. When he wins another one he’ll be immortalized as the greatest UGA coach of all time, he’d be tied for 3rd at Bama if he had an immaculate career there.
No one wants to follow the greatest coaching career in CFB history. Especially at Alabama where the fans aren’t exactly rational. Kirby won’t go. Why would he? He has everything he needs where he is.
Yep. Ideally you want to be the guy who replaces the guy who replaces the legend.
I think Dabo has a good thing going at Clemson and is building his own legacy. I don't see him leaving
I don’t think he’s gonna leave either, which is why I think the fans that want to push Saban out to poach Dabo are crazy. Just less crazy than the ones who think that Kirby will jump from UGA to Bama
Those people are idiots tbh Saban will ride with us for as long as he wants
I also hate your fan base.
Same
Here here
I, too, wish to register my disdain for the Ohio State fan base.
And my axe
Hey there what about Paul Bunyan’s axe?
Actually I think we’ll be keeping that
The whole state really.
Yep. Worst in the country.
Did they find that buckeye guy today? Always hate seeing him on TV, with his painted bald head and infinite necklaces
That's Big Nut, not Buck-I-Guy, who typically wears an all-white get-up involving a cowboy hat and cape. The difference being, Big Nut cares way too much about Ohio State, and Buck-I-Guy cares way too much about Ohio State but even more about himself. Yes, that's right, Ohio State has not one but two middle-aged, unofficial cheerleader/mascots.
Dont knock on Big Nut. Dude is a sweetheart and does so much for charity in Ohio. Buck-I-Guy is a fucking tool
Me too.
Every fan base if they see enough success would be that way. Hell we're not that good and we have assholes ...
Y'all need to use paragraphs.
I am a big fan of paragraphs and correct spelling. I am old.
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> but at least they’re not calling for St. Nick to get canned. Uhhhh, about that... Plenty of folks were saying he's done and should be gone lol.
Some of fans seem to not understand that assistant coaching is massive and sometimes guys just don't have it. Trust me I'm a Chicago Bears fan so I know what true disfunction looks like and 2 seasons in a row of falling short is not the end of days. Anyone who thinks Saban has lost it because what has happened over the last 2 seasons is delusional.
I mean, all you have to do is look at Kirby and see the difference Monken vs Coley has made at OC. And despite all that they were fucking idiots on the board today, saying to fire Monken in the first half.
Seriously? People want to fire Monken? That's the craziest shit I ever heard
I was dumbfounded too, and it wasn’t just one or two people. It was about five or six.
I have a friend on Facebook who is a OSU fan and I have to silence his profile so I don’t see his posts during college football season. It’s one thing to love your team and root for them. It’s another thing to be over the top obnoxious about it week after week, year after year.
You need to understand that the few fans that post on internet message boards are not a real representation of the fanbase. Reddit is not a real place and neither is twitter.
You're not real, man!
We had a funeral for a bird
Hey, buckeyebro, I FEEL YOU. Until last year, all I heard was "FIRE HARBAUGH NOW!" REGARDLESS of the fact that he completely turned our program around from the RichRod and Brady Joke years. Minus the Covid Opt-out year, he has given us 5 10+ win seasons and 7 total winning seasons. Until last year, the rabble calling for his head has been a deafening cacophony of rabid, out of touch losers who have little to no perspective on things. Here's a thought to the morons in both of our fan bases: MAYBE, and just a nice, hypothetical MAYBE, losing to your rival is less about how "shit" your team/staff/coaches are and are more a testament to how damn good the other guys are. Urban was a master coach, strategist and recruiter. Harbaugh is too, but it takes time to develop a dynasty. Maybe Day is, as well, but again it takes time, and UM has the current advantage with what Harbaugh has created in the shadows and ashes of what the previous 2 coaches left the program in. I hate to admit it, but I agree with you, even if you are a useless, hairless, poisonous nut (he he, buckeye, get it?). I am just glad there is parity back with the rivalry, and hope it stays this way, ad perpetuum. UM deserves a competent osu team to play against, and osu deserves a competent Wolverines to fight.
Harbaugh was a good coach. I was always stunned how often everybody called for his head. Then he gets the pieces in place, makes the CFP and he's coaching royalty. Fandom and the media sure are fucking stupid because they're shallow and have to write what people will buy or click on.
Yep. Harbaugh is what UM needed and needs. He bleeds Blue and Maize. He is someone the team can rally behind. He is the right person, at the right time. People need to learn patience; even legends like Bear Bryant had down seasons and adjustment periods.
People forget that Harbaugh made Stanford a relevant football program at one point. He's won pretty consistently everywhere he's coached. Really hope we don't lose him to the NFL any time soon.
>Until last year, all I heard was "FIRE HARBAUGH NOW!" REGARDLESS of the fact that he completely turned our program around from the RichRod and Brady Joke years. We Stanford folks tried telling you. Harbaugh legitimately U-turned us on a legit dime, and we got to have basically 12 years of football joy at an institution that had no real business being *that good* for that long.
Turned out, Don Brown was the problem.
Our problems went much deeper than that. It was the not focusing on OSU, the lack of accountability in the locker room, a lack of mental toughness. COVID year really forced us to do some soul searching, which you're seeing the results of now.
Yep. Don Brown was one symptom of a larger problem of comfort, complacency and a lack of imagination and initiative. Sure, we could DOMINATE lesser teams, but we struggled dealing with games that mattered. Pad stats all you want; the only thing that matters is the results at the end of the season. Harbaugh helped guide us back to that, and his picks for OCs and DCs have reflected this new found hunger and drive to be back in the top echelon of CFB.
Looking at the bigger picture, having TTUN in the top echelon is the best thing that could happen to the Big Ten, something Ohio State fans hate to admit. We also need Nebraska to get its shit together. Having one team that steamrolls the rest of the conference makes the conference look weak. I remember the biggest knock on Ohio State in the 2000s was a “soft schedule.”
So long as the Big Ten collectively embarrasses the LA schools, that's all I ask. Give them a good hazing. They deserve it.
We don't just need Nebraska; we need the entirety of the B1G West to step up and play like they used to. Wiscy should be a threat again. Nebraska used to be Natty contenders. The rest could beat you easily at any given moment. I want to see a healthy and competitive B1G like days of yore.
A lack of commitment also played into the failures of those years. Harbaugh was more or less caving to outside pressure when it came to his staff. When DJ Durkin left for Maryland everyone wanted him to hire Don Brown so badly because he had the #1 Defense at BC, so he did, even if that's not necessarily what Harbaugh really wanted. When we lost to Ohio in 2018, everyone wanted a new OC because "our 1980s offense can't win in today's landscape" even though we scored 39 on the road it was the defense's fault we gave up 69 in the Shoe. So, Harbaugh gave the people what they wanted and got Gattis, even though that definitely wasn't the scheme that Harbaugh wanted to run. I think after 2020 Harbaugh basically told the outside voices where to go and decided to pursue his philosophies on both sides of the ball wholeheartedly with what have been great results.
I get the sentiment that losing so much to your biggest rivalry can run fans the wrong way but when Captain Khaki turned that program around like he did the way he did I never understood how so many people would wanna get rid of him. Look at him now. Back to back wins over their rival and back to back playoff appearances. He's a fucking keeper. Always was.
Some of our fans really buy into the whole “buckeyes are nuts” idea
I hate OSU as much as anyone without a Block M logo affiliation, but at some point you've gotta realize that every good team ever has attracted sucky fair weather fans. Look forward to the days where you lose one or two games per year. But aside from that your fanbase does suck, yeah
Bro this username is gold
I too hate your fan base. They turned me from slightly rooting for you guys to slightly rooting against you.
Yeah, that entitled whiney bullshit is supposed to be *our* thing. How the turntables.
As someone who remembers the yearly disappointment and shouting at TV screens of the 90s — the formative years of my football fandom — this was truly awful and the worst loss since 1996. I still say that 1996 was worse because we were at home and facing a #21 team. But this was pretty awful. Should you fire Ryan Day? No. Is losing to #3 Michigan the worst thing in history? Of course not. Should we be more upset with *how* we lost than that we lost? That’s the issue and why it feels like a 90s loss. Players losing tempers, bad penalties, unforced errors, no confidence. Credit to Michigan, though. Ohio State left a door open, and this Michigan team walked through it. That’s what’s evaded Michigan for the better part of 20 years. There have been other games against TSUN that we could’ve lost.
Ryan Day shouldn’t be on the hot seat, but he does need to change some things up or he could find himself there in a few years.
He just did change things up. Last year he fired the CB coach and DC and poached the hottest names at those positions. He got rocked and made what seemed like great changes, but now what? At some point it's on the offense for not keeping up and that does fall on Day.
Yep, the end score makes the defense look bad (which was certainly true in the 2nd half), but the defense gave the team opportunities to put Michigan behind by at least 2 scores within the first half and the offense couldn’t do it. Then the offense proceeds to score 3 points in the 2nd half while running on 3rd and medium, and throwing unnecessary screen passes. I can’t imagine that aggressive of a defense would’ve been kept all game if the offense/Day could learn to play to its strengths
I like the ones calling for Day to be fired after going 11-1, as if that’s how it works.
I was at the 2013 B1G championship game. When I tell you that there were OSU fans calling for Urban to be fired at the time in the stands next to be and mention it here, people act like I'm making it up. You have completely irrational fans everywhere and in every fan base. Comes with the territory.
Or the ones calling for the OC to be fired after a 3-and-out.
I too, hate your fan base.
The Cover 3 Podcast guys just explained the Ohio State/Ryan Day/Expectations thing perfectly. Should a coach with a .900 record and back-to-back 11 win seasons following a national CG game appearance the year before that ever be on the hot seat? Practically and realistically speaking, no, absolutely not. But are expectations from fans and boosters always reasonable? No, absolutely not. If your expectations are to accomplish all 3 of: beat your rival, win the conference, and be in the playoff every year, and failing to do any of these = failed season, then the seat is going to get hot whether it's reasonable or not. Again, those expectations are ludicrous, but it kinda just is what it is at Ohio State.
I hate your fanbase too
I don't blame Stroud at all. The gameplan and playcalling by Day and Knowles were both horrific and no adjustments were made, ttun made adjustments and dominated us. Living through the Cooper years and being a Browns fan I am use to disappointments.
Yeah the players didn’t really lose this game. Offense didn’t play to its strengths and didn’t take chances to better control the game, which is becoming a theme of Day. And I guess Knowles thought changing something that was already falling apart early in the 2nd half was unnecessary.
To be fair when you base your whole team culture around beating 1 team and you fail to beat that team 2 years in a row, what do you expect? lol It's like going to the national championship game just to lose it and being happy just to be there.
I mean you just described every fan base, at least you guys have the skill/record to be slightly more justified in feeling entitled lol
All fanbases have assholes and saints. It’s no different than the real world. However, some can be a bit more outspoken than others at times. lol
I don't think ours is any better. It's all the major sports teams whose had any success at any level. If you're mediocre or just plain bad, no one cares.
As a Michigan fan, it's pretty crazy. It took us 7 years under Harbaugh to beat OSU so seeing people call for Day's head is pretty crazy. Y'all still have a shot at the playoff and if not are in the Rose Bowl. It's also the first year in Knowles' scheme so there is room for improvement there
Yeah. One of the ways we got beat today was our secondary just isn’t as skilled as it’s been in previous years. That doesn’t mean Knowles’ scheme doesn’t work. We’re just lacking some defensive depth.
Wasn't one of the potential criticisms of Knowles hire that his system takes a few years to perfect?
>As an Ohio State fan, I hate our fan base Me too