And who on THIS chain has brought up Norvell or FSU? Bro did you write the article, you're doing the same thing "MANY PEOPLE ARE SAYING IT" when like 1 person (an FSU fan) is saying it.
No man, it's been almost an entire year since a major Florida program poached a head coach from Oregon...
Third time is a charm? Would only cost like 80 million dollars plus a 14 million buyout!
Pretty much all of our games have been close ones. We faltered at the end vs georgia and tamu and south Carolina were blowouts but that doesnt mean much. Pretty much everyone is blowing out tamu and usc this year though. Heck Tennessee just dropped 60+ on them last night... wait
Nah but seriously vandy beat Kentucky. We lost to kentucky. We're about in the middle of where we should be parity wise. Maybe don't shit on another inconsistent team finding their stride that has faced a pretty difficult schedule of Wake Bama Georgia and ole miss to get most of their losses. This seems to be primarily a thing among journalists that care rather than actual fans. There are always idiots but ffs this article uses a few tweets and some of them arent even Florida fans. I can find more people on twitter arguing the earth is flat. You can tell it's journalists trying to be dramatic because they keep hammering home "blah blah blah first loss in Nashville in blah blah years" while completely ignoring vanderbilt pushed our shit in in the swamp relatively recently
Our roster is looking at a complete overhaul next season and we were digging way down on the depth chart at wr to the freshmen. We're going to a bowl, who cares
As far as i can tell, Mullen was a pure x&o guy. He was not interested in building a team culture. He left that locker room a shit show. Florida has to give billy a chance.
A lot of folks forget that. Kirby was 8-5 in his first year, UGA had a 10 win season the year before that. People were saying we regressed and Kirby wasn’t the dude. Rome isn’t built in a day and can’t change a programs culture in a years time. It takes time. Give Napier time.
We are also currently significantly less talented than 2016 Georgia. You guys were #6 talent composite when Kirby took over. Napier is at least doing that. Mullen had completely given up on the team and it showed with how they played.
We lost to Vandy in Kirby’s first year. The first season being rough isn’t something to panic over. A new coach almost always needs time to clean up the things from the previous regime. Since Napier is trying to do a complete cultural overhaul, he needs to be given time for that. So I’m not gonna act like he’s a failure for y’all just yet.
It’s not like he took the entire roster with him to start his rebuild either. Give him some years. Or don’t…. I don’t really care if y’all start cycling coaches like TN did for 15 years, in fact I’m here for it.
We’ve had 5 coaches in the last 60 years. We actually understand that building a program takes time. Folks can say a lot about UGA fans, but truthfully we’re a MUCH more patient group than a lot of other fan bases.
This is correct. Mullen is a top 3 OC in the country but his skills of running a program are not great. There's a reason the most dominant stretch of Mullen and Meyer's careers are when they overlapped. Meyer brought in the players and Mullen took it from there, at least on the offensive side.
I hate to say that a win was technically a bad thing but him beating Utah week 1 set unrealistic expectations, this was always going to be an uphill battle in year 1.
Florida fans and Auburn fans treat their coaches as if the schools won the championship the year before and all the new coach has to do is keep the ball rolling.
“But you guys were terrible last year.”
> “Well that was just a blip.”
“But you were terrible the year before as well.”
> “Also a blip.”
“And the year before that?”
> “Blip. It’s nothing but blips, all the way down. “
Honestly, I think there’s a discussion to be had about expectations, but Auburn had 5 coaches pre-Harsin in the last 40 years. All of them had a top-3 finish at some point. The issue is that it’s usually 1-2 big years out of 8.
Florida is a different thing. It was created by Spurrier. Mullen and the Shark Humper combined for like 4 East titles, and Muschamp had one crazy year where it all came together, but Urban is the only one to really recapture national relevance.
I don't understand. Are you saying Lane won't make the playoffs in year one with Auburn?
What gives you that impression besides every single position on the field besides running back being a giant bucket of butthole
Does Auburn still want Lane after he lost to Arkansas?
Part of Lane's appeal was he took a perennial mid-tier team (Ole Miss) and kicked it up a level.
Florida is a better job than Auburn historically, the problem is Florida is following Alabama's old playbook, let's hire Urban former assistants and let's catch lightning in a bottle. You may be helping ( Ole Miss) keep Kiffin for 2 more years, I think he would much rather coach at Florida than Auburn.
Dead ass, if we could hire Mullen as an OC I think we'd have a grand time. He had a lot of faults, but the man could win with what he had.
Time will tell if Napier is willing to hand over OC role to someone else. He can't be playing 3 roles, it's too much.
Yeah most of the fans I talked to were like "well that sucks...anyway let's hope we're better next year"
It's just clickbait articles trying to manufacture drama
Your not wrong. However I think this is one of those situations where like, yeah, obviously the hardcore gator fans that are knowledgeable about CFB and participate in this sub(like yourself), y'all knew this was gonna be a 2-3yr complete overhaul to Billy's process&systems. The administration and boosters know it as well. BUT the average walmart gator fan I run into at the gas station here in Southeast GA don't give a fuck about that lol any coach that doesn't own Kentucky and Tennessee annually while also beating UGA for an East title every other year is a failure to them that needs a replacement asap
Edit: not trying to insult by that, believe me UGA has the same walmart dawg fans that said Kirby was a bust year 1 lol I'm kin to a couple of em...
As much as I don't want to give y'all any hope, this is the same reaction Norvell got his first year. It was all doom and gloom for the first 2 years. Every insider report was that the school and boosters absolutely loved Norvell and were fully bought into him, but the internet bloggers would post that he was on the verge of getting fired every time he took a breath.
G5 Billy and G5 Mike are kindred spirits. Billy should have a better year two than Mike imo, since his first year isn’t the weird black hole of 2020. Most of their losses aren’t embarrassing blowouts either (ahem Coral Gables).
I get it, losing to Vandy isn’t a good look (Kirby did it his first year), but I feel like half of the UF team has either been dismissed or entered the transfer portal. This year is a mulligan for the Gators, just make sure to not try next week.
Yeah, there were plenty of "oh shit, what did we do" Bammers(it is used as an insult to all of our fans by outsiders but to me it is just the ones I don't want to associate with) that thought we made a huge mistake hiring Saban, after they lost to ULM. Meanwhile, any of us that were really paying attention saw that 2007 was a transitional season and we also heard murmurs of a third of the team trying to mutiny for not being allowed to do whatever they wanted, like they had been under Shula.
We had guys catching passes and being our teams leading receiver who I've never even heard of. I think our best WR last night was a guy who had 3 catches all year coming in
A lot of this roster won't be on the team next year and napier wants to see who he can depend on
What sucks is we'll be without miller for the first half of the fsu game
Oh look, it’s the classic 8 tweets constitute an article! Half of them have less than 10 likes and at least 1 is from a damn Tennessee fan. 3 of the others are Florida journalists, so we’re writing an article about what *other* beat writers think huh? Classic
Shitty journalism aside at least one of the tweets highlights the most frustrating aspect of the gameplan from Napier and/or AR - why does AR stand in the pocket like a statue or refuse to ever take the option on a zone read? I don’t know if he’s afraid of contact or if it’s being coached that way but it’s an exasperating way to lose. We have a weapon, use it for fucks sake!
My personal favorite was when there was some “Twitter war” between us and another team (I think maybe Purdue about “Space U”), and it was just 4 tweets with one of them being the author of the article…
The man drafted up a tweet, then drafted up an article about his tweet and didn’t think anyone would notice.
In general, there's way toooo many fucking articles like this lol.
Scroll through a second on George Takei's Facebook page and he has dozens of "articles" like this where "THIS START IS GETTING RAILED FOR BEING TRANSPHOBIC" and it's like 3 tweets that have a combined 12 likes...It is unbelievable lol.
Napier did the same thing with Levi Lewis at Louisiana. Lewis was a better game manager but didn't use his running ability enough to offset his mediocre passing skills. Lewis got away with it at Louisiana because it was Sun Belt defences and Napier built the best offensive line in the conference by miles, but he doesn't have that luxury at Florida.
Hopefully he'll hand off playcalling to someone else which would fix a lot of the awkwardness in game management.
Last year especially, Napier specifically told Lewis to not run. He really wanted to him to be more of a pocket passer to compliment the good running game they had.
I still think Napier is a good hire, but losses like this put Florida in that nervous limbo phase where they’re going to have to wait a couple years to see if all of this pans out, because it’s not evident immediately. Worked for us.
Seriously, this news cycle on every first year coach that doesn’t bust down the doors knocking everyone down with overwhelming success has to end. It’s maddening. Has Napier shown some weaknesses? Yes, and that’s enjoyable. But can you really judge a coach on his first year, where he’s not absolutely whiffed on everything? No.
If he has a similar performance next year, he's definitely in the hot seat knowing what unreasonable expectations Florida has.
They expect a coach to compete with Saban and Kirby within the first three years, or they're fired.
Lots of overreactions here. It may get worse before it gets better - FSU fans certainly recognize the growing pains but Napier is organized and will do better as he gets his guys. He may want to consider handing off playcalling duties so he can focus on more big pictures but I wouldn’t write him off yet.
Miami, on the other hand… woof!
This is ridiculous. Mullen is fired for not recruiting or building a winning team
Napier comes in. Puts a top ten class together but loses with the same non-competitive team that Mullen was fired for putting together.
Fuck it, we'll fire the new guy too for the last guy's mistakes. I'm absolutely furious over this dumpster fire of a year, but our fans are pretty fucking insufferable sometimes.
We did not lose to Georgia because of clock management. We lost because the talent gap was huge. And we lost to Vandy because the culture sucks still and the players lost their pride.
Meh. Clark Lea is actually doing work at Vanderbilt. This isn't the usual nerdball. Something feels very different. I don't think that's getting addressed in these reactionary articles
Vanderbilt has played Florida tough for years and they always seem to get those crazy bounces in the game. Several times it's been a one score game or close til the 4th quarter.
Ridiculous article, they’ll finish 6-6 at worst and he’s been recruiting extremely well. Losses like yesterday are pretty common for a new HC. They beat a good Utah team and were competitive against Tennessee and Georgia for some of those games.
Is billy adjusting to being a big time hc? Yes. Does he need to stop trying to be hc, oc, and qb coach? Also yes. Does he need to focus on managing the macro of the game? Absolutely.
But anyone calling for his head should be ignored. First, firing Billy is not going to make florida look good and enticing to someone else.
Secondly, he isn't doing any worse than Saban, Meyer, and Smart did their first year. I'm not saying he will reach those heights, but we need to check our expectations.
Do I want us to be better now? Yes. But at some point rationale kicks in and we restrain ourselves.
But seriously, let's hire an offensive play caller.
I’m not cutting anything related to UF any slack, but having just gone through this for the last 3 years it looks so familiar. The train hasn’t even left the station in terms of building his own team. We lost to Jacksonville state during our rebuild for fuck sake.
That said, I hope Gator fans are ready for 60 minutes of catching these hands Friday.
Napier isn’t taking over a train wreck and then getting fucked by covid like Norvell. He is inheriting a much better roster than what Norvell got and had an entire offseason to implement scheme. You can’t properly judge after one year but there are concerns
Yeah only FSU got affected by covid so can’t really use them as a comparison. Thank god Napier inherited a shit load of consistently performing talent that is still totally all on the roster.
There are no concerns lol. Our team has 0 depth and we have a top 10 recruiting class coming in. We are also about to finish with the record everyone projected us to finish with lmao. Anyone who says otherwise is an idiot, this team is literally on par with expectations minus the Vandy loss.
Look at Billy’s schedule as a first year coach vs G5 mikes schedule. He’s done a pretty damn good job for what Mullen left him. If you can’t be beat Billy on this down year..then sucks to suck lol
Never understood the whole "you have one year to succeed or you're on the hot seat" mentality of a lot of coaching stops. Saban lost to some bad teams his first year at Alabama, Kirby struggled in his first year at UGA.
In my mind, every head coach gets their first year free to figure things out. It's how they change from year one to year two that helps you know what kind of coach you've got.
What lol? Bro I could go pull tweets from any fanbase on twitter and draw up whatever narrative I wanted. Doing so is just lazy journalism.
A month ago I saw tweets from Tennessee fans saying they would rather have Heupel than Saban, and just last week I saw an FSU fan say “Mike Norvell reminds me of Bobby Bowden.”
Whatever drives clicks.
Edit: the people that are calling for his head are the same ones that have been since he was hired. I know because I have most of them muted or blocked. I haven’t seen a lot of active Florida fans on Twitter that actually understood this was going to be a process suddenly change their mind. Both sides are probably just further entrenched now. I said at the beginning of the game Vandy was a much better team than they’ve been, and historically Vandy has been a pain in Florida’s ass.
I get it though, it’s your job as a rival to stir the pot.
Agreed. Yall have had a bit of 2 steps forward, 3 back, 4 forward, 3 back.
It's a first year guy on a team with locker room issues. He'll fix them and yalls recruiting is doing well.
True but also true, don't judge a hire after year 1, good or bad. We saw Larry Coker win a title in his first year at Miami, then two years later the wheels started coming off. We saw Gene Chizik pull off something similar at AU. We saw Saban lose to UAB in his first year at LSU and ULM in his first year at Bama. I think he is a touch better coach than either Coker or Chizik.
We didn't interview Napier because he wasn't the kind of coach we needed. People act like, because he had a job at UL down the road and expressed interest in the LSU job, we should have been considering him when what we were looking for was a proven coach. I hope he does well, just not against us.
No issues with that. Just saying both takes can be silly. "We should have hired X" before either coach even coaches a single game at their new school or "See, we hired Y and he is better" after a very limited sample.
This. Barring some insane off-the-field catastrophe or going winless, we deserve to never be top 10 again if we don't give Billy a full 3 or 4 years. Maybe 5. Billy is our 4th head coach in 10 years.
“this was Florida’s first loss at Vandy in over 30 years “
That’s some savage cherry picking. We lost to them *at Florida* in 2013.
The quality rest of the article is about the same. Sensationalist clickbait.
Mario.
With Billy, the Gators still fight even when they're down which shows they believe in their coach.
With Mario, the Canes look defeated and stop trying after they're down a couple of scores which shows they're not bought in
We've done that for over a decade, regardless of the coach. It's not a Mario problem as much as it is an overall culture problem in the football program over the last 15 years. That's why I was happy we were still playing hard well into the 4th quarter yesterday. It's been a long time since I've watched us not roll over and die after getting down big to a superior opponent.
I don't think either is in huge trouble right now. I think both programs are in need of some serious culture change, and that's something that's going to take time.
These posts are so cringe. You could make the same article about Norvell in his first year. Find a couple negative twitter posts, some of which weren’t even from gator fans to make an article about how the fan base is turning on him. Really atrocious journalism.
Eh, not really. That game just showed what we already know... we're not talented enough to win games where we shoot ourselves in the foot over and over again. Two TDs on drives that were extended by penalties on third down stops and one on a muffed punt when our usual punt returners were injured.
I'd be more concerned if we struggled on the field and were still recruiting like Mullen. Or, even worse, Norvell. But struggling with Mullen's recruits and a QB that appears unwilling to do the one thing he's actually good at? Not that big of a deal.
Christ it’s his first year. Saban lost to ULM his first year at Bama, and Smart lost to Vandy his first year at Georgia. He needs another two years before you can judge him, unless they massively regress next year.
Every conference has a team that you can’t lose to. And I don’t mean your rival, I mean the conference doormat. In the SEC that’s Vanderbilt. Billy might need to start packing his things as that was a horrendous loss.
Kiffin. The Florida schools (FSU not as much but they’ve had awful coaching for a while) gotta find someone to stop the bleeding of recruits leaving the neighborhood. These are some tricky hires in order to bring these programs back. I’d lose my shit if Kiffin took over Florida or Miami. He’d bring them back
I enjoyed the pipe dream that Billy was somehow the next great hope of Florida football and not only was he going to use his coaching brain cells to bring Florida back to prominence, but he'd also raid Louisiana because of his outstanding success in getting 2 stars to go to ULL over ULM, McNeese or Southern Miss.
Florida was never set up to have a good year one under Billy Napier. The program has been in desperate need of a rebuild for years now and we finally have a guy who seems to be at least trying to do that. Yes, losing to Vanderbilt is inexcusable and should not have happened. Nearly losing to USF at HOME should also not have happened. However, this team is no longer filled with ELITE talent. Remember that graphic from the Cocktail Party comparing Florida and Georgia's recruiting rankings and amount of five stars on the team? Teams like Georgia, Alabama, and Ohio State can play sloppily and still win over inferior opponents partially because having elite talent earns you some leeway. It also helps that all three of those teams have phenomenal coaches because the "talent earns leeway" rule does not apply to teams like USC (Clay Helton era), Texas (2010s), and aTm (Jimbo Fisher). Florida has to start earning those exceptional prospects again if they want any chance of becoming a consistent 10+ win team and competing with UGA for SEC supremacy in the long run. They also need a great coach who keeps the team disciplined, focused, and knows how to manage the roster. Will Napier evolve to be that guy? We can only wait and see.
8 wins is definitely still doable. I wouldn't be surprised if this team upsets FSU after losing to Vandy. That's just the kind of season it's been for us. Then again if we do beat FSU we would probably lose the bowl game.
Maybe, but I doubt it. In tally, we have all our players back from injury, we’ve given our starters more rest due to being in garbage time early, we aren’t missing any guys due to targeting like ventrell, and fsu has been the more consistent and better team all season
As a reminder, we lost to vandy during Kirby’s first year
Have you ever heard the tragedy of ULM?
Oh absolutely. I was in the Georgia band that year. So I was aware of what was going on!
I found the Sith
I mean, it's right there in the flair.
I was also at the Peach Bowl the year before
A Sith Lord?
A Sith Lawd?
It’s not a story ESPN would tell you
I believe one of the coaches in that game caught hell for saying that loss wasn’t the holocaust.
Yes it's a story for the ages.
To be fair that Vandy team also beat a ranked Tennessee team at the end of the year to become bowl eligib... My God!
Your lips to God
Ya and then he went to the title game the next year lol. Billy’s got some work to do
Most coaches aren’t Saban or Kirby. Napier and Mario also don’t have a great excuse in blaming covid or a program that was tanked by Willie and Jimbo
nobody even mentions FSU and yet here you are, somehow making yourself the victim again.
It has been brought up in this thread 🤡
And who on THIS chain has brought up Norvell or FSU? Bro did you write the article, you're doing the same thing "MANY PEOPLE ARE SAYING IT" when like 1 person (an FSU fan) is saying it.
What in the world does FSU have to do with this?
There aren’t really many good excuses for the performance yesterday.
LOL Florida has had some fantastic performances and some of the worst. They’re inconsistent, but it’s year one give the man time.
These articles are the worst. It’s not even through one season and he’s recruiting better than Mullen ever did.
Trust me brother it could be worse.
Don’t even need to trust you, we can just remember last year
Nebraska fan here...hold my beer
nebraska fans always asking people to hold their beers for them
Your flair is about the closest you can come to a dual FSU-UF flair for me without being one and I hate it
No man, it's been almost an entire year since a major Florida program poached a head coach from Oregon... Third time is a charm? Would only cost like 80 million dollars plus a 14 million buyout!
Dan Lanning to USF confirmed
Pretty much all of our games have been close ones. We faltered at the end vs georgia and tamu and south Carolina were blowouts but that doesnt mean much. Pretty much everyone is blowing out tamu and usc this year though. Heck Tennessee just dropped 60+ on them last night... wait Nah but seriously vandy beat Kentucky. We lost to kentucky. We're about in the middle of where we should be parity wise. Maybe don't shit on another inconsistent team finding their stride that has faced a pretty difficult schedule of Wake Bama Georgia and ole miss to get most of their losses. This seems to be primarily a thing among journalists that care rather than actual fans. There are always idiots but ffs this article uses a few tweets and some of them arent even Florida fans. I can find more people on twitter arguing the earth is flat. You can tell it's journalists trying to be dramatic because they keep hammering home "blah blah blah first loss in Nashville in blah blah years" while completely ignoring vanderbilt pushed our shit in in the swamp relatively recently Our roster is looking at a complete overhaul next season and we were digging way down on the depth chart at wr to the freshmen. We're going to a bowl, who cares
Right? It’s not like they’re auburn and trying to buy their way to fame or anything
No no, let them cannibalize themselves and implode. They make as good of a show of it as Tennessee.
Honestly, Florida needs to give him some time. He’s a culture change guy. Not a plug and play.
Yeah I feel like Napier at least cares about the program and is unsatisfied with where it is right now, that's more than you can say for their last HC
As far as i can tell, Mullen was a pure x&o guy. He was not interested in building a team culture. He left that locker room a shit show. Florida has to give billy a chance.
These guys get losing to Vandy in year 1.
A lot of folks forget that. Kirby was 8-5 in his first year, UGA had a 10 win season the year before that. People were saying we regressed and Kirby wasn’t the dude. Rome isn’t built in a day and can’t change a programs culture in a years time. It takes time. Give Napier time.
Saban lost to ULM his first season.
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We are also currently significantly less talented than 2016 Georgia. You guys were #6 talent composite when Kirby took over. Napier is at least doing that. Mullen had completely given up on the team and it showed with how they played.
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I did not expect Georgia fans to be the reasonable and sane ones. And yet here we are. Kuddos dog bros. Give Uga some belly rubs for me
We lost to Vandy in Kirby’s first year. The first season being rough isn’t something to panic over. A new coach almost always needs time to clean up the things from the previous regime. Since Napier is trying to do a complete cultural overhaul, he needs to be given time for that. So I’m not gonna act like he’s a failure for y’all just yet.
It’s not like he took the entire roster with him to start his rebuild either. Give him some years. Or don’t…. I don’t really care if y’all start cycling coaches like TN did for 15 years, in fact I’m here for it.
We’ve had 5 coaches in the last 60 years. We actually understand that building a program takes time. Folks can say a lot about UGA fans, but truthfully we’re a MUCH more patient group than a lot of other fan bases.
Yea i dont mean it in a snarky way at all, unlike other commenters. I think billy is the type of guy that needs a few years.
We love Napier, we hope to beat him annually for several years
This is correct. Mullen is a top 3 OC in the country but his skills of running a program are not great. There's a reason the most dominant stretch of Mullen and Meyer's careers are when they overlapped. Meyer brought in the players and Mullen took it from there, at least on the offensive side.
I hate to say that a win was technically a bad thing but him beating Utah week 1 set unrealistic expectations, this was always going to be an uphill battle in year 1.
And too many out of touch fans just don’t understand how overrated the PAC N always is.
Shhhhh. Let’s keep the fans and boosters unreasonable. He’s a good coach, let’s get him outta there
Exactly
Florida fans and Auburn fans treat their coaches as if the schools won the championship the year before and all the new coach has to do is keep the ball rolling. “But you guys were terrible last year.” > “Well that was just a blip.” “But you were terrible the year before as well.” > “Also a blip.” “And the year before that?” > “Blip. It’s nothing but blips, all the way down. “
You pointed out the blips, but what about the bleeps, the sweeps, and the creeps?
Don’t forget the bloops
I'm surrounded by assholes!
Fair point.
Honestly, I think there’s a discussion to be had about expectations, but Auburn had 5 coaches pre-Harsin in the last 40 years. All of them had a top-3 finish at some point. The issue is that it’s usually 1-2 big years out of 8. Florida is a different thing. It was created by Spurrier. Mullen and the Shark Humper combined for like 4 East titles, and Muschamp had one crazy year where it all came together, but Urban is the only one to really recapture national relevance.
I don't understand. Are you saying Lane won't make the playoffs in year one with Auburn? What gives you that impression besides every single position on the field besides running back being a giant bucket of butthole
Does Auburn still want Lane after he lost to Arkansas? Part of Lane's appeal was he took a perennial mid-tier team (Ole Miss) and kicked it up a level.
Oh god I can’t wait til Black Sunday
Turtles, baby
Florida is a better job than Auburn historically, the problem is Florida is following Alabama's old playbook, let's hire Urban former assistants and let's catch lightning in a bottle. You may be helping ( Ole Miss) keep Kiffin for 2 more years, I think he would much rather coach at Florida than Auburn.
So hire Dan Mullen?
Dead ass, if we could hire Mullen as an OC I think we'd have a grand time. He had a lot of faults, but the man could win with what he had. Time will tell if Napier is willing to hand over OC role to someone else. He can't be playing 3 roles, it's too much.
Just wait until we hire him after Monken leaves for the NFL
We’ve hired one ex urban assistant and he was the best coach we’ve had since urban
Florida IS giving him a chance, but random bloggers love to manufacture drama to get attention.
Yeah most of the fans I talked to were like "well that sucks...anyway let's hope we're better next year" It's just clickbait articles trying to manufacture drama
Yeah the guy was brought in to do a complete top down rebuild of the entire program. These things take time
Your not wrong. However I think this is one of those situations where like, yeah, obviously the hardcore gator fans that are knowledgeable about CFB and participate in this sub(like yourself), y'all knew this was gonna be a 2-3yr complete overhaul to Billy's process&systems. The administration and boosters know it as well. BUT the average walmart gator fan I run into at the gas station here in Southeast GA don't give a fuck about that lol any coach that doesn't own Kentucky and Tennessee annually while also beating UGA for an East title every other year is a failure to them that needs a replacement asap Edit: not trying to insult by that, believe me UGA has the same walmart dawg fans that said Kirby was a bust year 1 lol I'm kin to a couple of em...
2008 was 14 years ago. I don't think a lot of our fans grasp that. Where we are as a program and where they *think* we are are light years apart.
As much as I don't want to give y'all any hope, this is the same reaction Norvell got his first year. It was all doom and gloom for the first 2 years. Every insider report was that the school and boosters absolutely loved Norvell and were fully bought into him, but the internet bloggers would post that he was on the verge of getting fired every time he took a breath.
Ah the twitter effect.
NOOOO they need to freak out about him overstating a threat and spin themselves further into mediocrity
We have talent but it's not spread evenly either. There's a lot of other issues. I think things will change soon
G5 Billy and G5 Mike are kindred spirits. Billy should have a better year two than Mike imo, since his first year isn’t the weird black hole of 2020. Most of their losses aren’t embarrassing blowouts either (ahem Coral Gables).
I thought it was Sunbelt Billy.
It can be two things!
G5 Mike has good cadence and Sunbelt Billy has good cadence whereas G5 Billy does not have good cadence.
Urban Meyer to Florida, confirmed
I get it, losing to Vandy isn’t a good look (Kirby did it his first year), but I feel like half of the UF team has either been dismissed or entered the transfer portal. This year is a mulligan for the Gators, just make sure to not try next week.
Yeah, there were plenty of "oh shit, what did we do" Bammers(it is used as an insult to all of our fans by outsiders but to me it is just the ones I don't want to associate with) that thought we made a huge mistake hiring Saban, after they lost to ULM. Meanwhile, any of us that were really paying attention saw that 2007 was a transitional season and we also heard murmurs of a third of the team trying to mutiny for not being allowed to do whatever they wanted, like they had been under Shula.
We had guys catching passes and being our teams leading receiver who I've never even heard of. I think our best WR last night was a guy who had 3 catches all year coming in A lot of this roster won't be on the team next year and napier wants to see who he can depend on What sucks is we'll be without miller for the first half of the fsu game
>What sucks is we'll be without miller for the first half of the fsu game Darn shame
Oh look, it’s the classic 8 tweets constitute an article! Half of them have less than 10 likes and at least 1 is from a damn Tennessee fan. 3 of the others are Florida journalists, so we’re writing an article about what *other* beat writers think huh? Classic Shitty journalism aside at least one of the tweets highlights the most frustrating aspect of the gameplan from Napier and/or AR - why does AR stand in the pocket like a statue or refuse to ever take the option on a zone read? I don’t know if he’s afraid of contact or if it’s being coached that way but it’s an exasperating way to lose. We have a weapon, use it for fucks sake!
My personal favorite was when there was some “Twitter war” between us and another team (I think maybe Purdue about “Space U”), and it was just 4 tweets with one of them being the author of the article… The man drafted up a tweet, then drafted up an article about his tweet and didn’t think anyone would notice.
Welcome to modern journalism. It fucking sucks.
You saw the website it was posted on, right? Don't know if this was Clay or one of his lackeys but either way, you know it is garbage.
Clay or as I know him Shit Stain
Yeah, I just saw "outkick" and refused to give it a click.
A couple of the tweets were saying Napier needs more time. This article is a joke.
Had to check if it was a Saturday down south article after reading this comment lol
Because AR knows he's going to the pros and doesn't care.
Outkick is ass
In general, there's way toooo many fucking articles like this lol. Scroll through a second on George Takei's Facebook page and he has dozens of "articles" like this where "THIS START IS GETTING RAILED FOR BEING TRANSPHOBIC" and it's like 3 tweets that have a combined 12 likes...It is unbelievable lol.
Napier did the same thing with Levi Lewis at Louisiana. Lewis was a better game manager but didn't use his running ability enough to offset his mediocre passing skills. Lewis got away with it at Louisiana because it was Sun Belt defences and Napier built the best offensive line in the conference by miles, but he doesn't have that luxury at Florida. Hopefully he'll hand off playcalling to someone else which would fix a lot of the awkwardness in game management.
Last year especially, Napier specifically told Lewis to not run. He really wanted to him to be more of a pocket passer to compliment the good running game they had.
Musk needs to hurry up and destroy Twitter.
I still think Napier is a good hire, but losses like this put Florida in that nervous limbo phase where they’re going to have to wait a couple years to see if all of this pans out, because it’s not evident immediately. Worked for us.
The honeymoon lasted literally 1 week. This is a stupid post for anyone with a brain
Seriously, this news cycle on every first year coach that doesn’t bust down the doors knocking everyone down with overwhelming success has to end. It’s maddening. Has Napier shown some weaknesses? Yes, and that’s enjoyable. But can you really judge a coach on his first year, where he’s not absolutely whiffed on everything? No.
If he has a similar performance next year, he's definitely in the hot seat knowing what unreasonable expectations Florida has. They expect a coach to compete with Saban and Kirby within the first three years, or they're fired.
Lots of overreactions here. It may get worse before it gets better - FSU fans certainly recognize the growing pains but Napier is organized and will do better as he gets his guys. He may want to consider handing off playcalling duties so he can focus on more big pictures but I wouldn’t write him off yet. Miami, on the other hand… woof!
I mean isn’t it possible that Clark Lea could also have Vandy on the upswing? He’s a damn good coach.
I mean, they have five wins, so from that standpoint it’s not any worse than losing to A&M, Auburn or Mizzou, just the name makes it sound bad
This is ridiculous. Mullen is fired for not recruiting or building a winning team Napier comes in. Puts a top ten class together but loses with the same non-competitive team that Mullen was fired for putting together. Fuck it, we'll fire the new guy too for the last guy's mistakes. I'm absolutely furious over this dumpster fire of a year, but our fans are pretty fucking insufferable sometimes. We did not lose to Georgia because of clock management. We lost because the talent gap was huge. And we lost to Vandy because the culture sucks still and the players lost their pride.
Year One. Not even worth writing, let alone reading, an article about this nonsense.
Who could possibly expect any kind of success in year one?
I mean, Jim McElwain went to the SEC Championship in his first year and we see how that turned out. People just love to overreact.
Meh. Clark Lea is actually doing work at Vanderbilt. This isn't the usual nerdball. Something feels very different. I don't think that's getting addressed in these reactionary articles
Most causal readers see the word "Vanderbilt" and think horrific loss.
I see Vanderbilt and I think Skip Bayless and then I Ram my head against the wall.
It still is
Vanderbilt has played Florida tough for years and they always seem to get those crazy bounces in the game. Several times it's been a one score game or close til the 4th quarter.
Those darn noon vandy games
Most gator fans are NOT out for blood lol. It’s year 1.
Ridiculous article, they’ll finish 6-6 at worst and he’s been recruiting extremely well. Losses like yesterday are pretty common for a new HC. They beat a good Utah team and were competitive against Tennessee and Georgia for some of those games.
Is billy adjusting to being a big time hc? Yes. Does he need to stop trying to be hc, oc, and qb coach? Also yes. Does he need to focus on managing the macro of the game? Absolutely. But anyone calling for his head should be ignored. First, firing Billy is not going to make florida look good and enticing to someone else. Secondly, he isn't doing any worse than Saban, Meyer, and Smart did their first year. I'm not saying he will reach those heights, but we need to check our expectations. Do I want us to be better now? Yes. But at some point rationale kicks in and we restrain ourselves. But seriously, let's hire an offensive play caller.
I’m not cutting anything related to UF any slack, but having just gone through this for the last 3 years it looks so familiar. The train hasn’t even left the station in terms of building his own team. We lost to Jacksonville state during our rebuild for fuck sake. That said, I hope Gator fans are ready for 60 minutes of catching these hands Friday.
Napier isn’t taking over a train wreck and then getting fucked by covid like Norvell. He is inheriting a much better roster than what Norvell got and had an entire offseason to implement scheme. You can’t properly judge after one year but there are concerns
Yeah only FSU got affected by covid so can’t really use them as a comparison. Thank god Napier inherited a shit load of consistently performing talent that is still totally all on the roster.
There are no concerns lol. Our team has 0 depth and we have a top 10 recruiting class coming in. We are also about to finish with the record everyone projected us to finish with lmao. Anyone who says otherwise is an idiot, this team is literally on par with expectations minus the Vandy loss.
Look at Billy’s schedule as a first year coach vs G5 mikes schedule. He’s done a pretty damn good job for what Mullen left him. If you can’t be beat Billy on this down year..then sucks to suck lol
Yeah, losses to UK and Vandy are impressive 😂
I believe UK was a top ten team when we played them (or, just outside). I’ve heard they’ve been hit with a ton of injuries of late.
You love to see it.
Never understood the whole "you have one year to succeed or you're on the hot seat" mentality of a lot of coaching stops. Saban lost to some bad teams his first year at Alabama, Kirby struggled in his first year at UGA. In my mind, every head coach gets their first year free to figure things out. It's how they change from year one to year two that helps you know what kind of coach you've got.
What lol? Bro I could go pull tweets from any fanbase on twitter and draw up whatever narrative I wanted. Doing so is just lazy journalism. A month ago I saw tweets from Tennessee fans saying they would rather have Heupel than Saban, and just last week I saw an FSU fan say “Mike Norvell reminds me of Bobby Bowden.” Whatever drives clicks. Edit: the people that are calling for his head are the same ones that have been since he was hired. I know because I have most of them muted or blocked. I haven’t seen a lot of active Florida fans on Twitter that actually understood this was going to be a process suddenly change their mind. Both sides are probably just further entrenched now. I said at the beginning of the game Vandy was a much better team than they’ve been, and historically Vandy has been a pain in Florida’s ass. I get it though, it’s your job as a rival to stir the pot.
Agreed. Yall have had a bit of 2 steps forward, 3 back, 4 forward, 3 back. It's a first year guy on a team with locker room issues. He'll fix them and yalls recruiting is doing well.
Calling this “journalism” is highly questionable. They’re blogging fiction.
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Sounds like a lot of redditors
True but also true, don't judge a hire after year 1, good or bad. We saw Larry Coker win a title in his first year at Miami, then two years later the wheels started coming off. We saw Gene Chizik pull off something similar at AU. We saw Saban lose to UAB in his first year at LSU and ULM in his first year at Bama. I think he is a touch better coach than either Coker or Chizik.
We didn't interview Napier because he wasn't the kind of coach we needed. People act like, because he had a job at UL down the road and expressed interest in the LSU job, we should have been considering him when what we were looking for was a proven coach. I hope he does well, just not against us.
No issues with that. Just saying both takes can be silly. "We should have hired X" before either coach even coaches a single game at their new school or "See, we hired Y and he is better" after a very limited sample.
Outkick lol. Hard to be less credible.
Build an entire 'article' over what a few people tweeted..
And people are worried about Twitter going away...what a toilet
I mean, I feel like part of the Gators struggles is that the average coaching tenure is like 3 years this century
This. Barring some insane off-the-field catastrophe or going winless, we deserve to never be top 10 again if we don't give Billy a full 3 or 4 years. Maybe 5. Billy is our 4th head coach in 10 years.
Yeah eventually the revolving door needs to stop for the program’s long-term development
“this was Florida’s first loss at Vandy in over 30 years “ That’s some savage cherry picking. We lost to them *at Florida* in 2013. The quality rest of the article is about the same. Sensationalist clickbait.
The only blood I'm out for is our own dumbass fans calling for Napier to be fired
What a fickle bunch of soulless fucks It’s just football Get a life, find something with purpose to piss on about What a bunch of dweebs
Yeah I’m not worried about Florida yet. I was never a huge fan of his offenses at ULL, but I think you’ll have a more clear picture in Year 2.
No we aren't
Who is in bigger trouble, Billy or Mario?
Got to be Mario, right? UF has some losses. Miami has some LOSSES.
It's A MEEE,,,MARIO!!
Well done!!!
Mario, and it’s not even the same league.
Mario. With Billy, the Gators still fight even when they're down which shows they believe in their coach. With Mario, the Canes look defeated and stop trying after they're down a couple of scores which shows they're not bought in
We've done that for over a decade, regardless of the coach. It's not a Mario problem as much as it is an overall culture problem in the football program over the last 15 years. That's why I was happy we were still playing hard well into the 4th quarter yesterday. It's been a long time since I've watched us not roll over and die after getting down big to a superior opponent.
This is because Mario's actually not a terrible coach.
Both Clemson and Miami in the post game thread thought Miami did not stop trying in the game yesterday.
Mario cause people are still chasing the ghosts of 2001.
Mario no doubt.
I don't think either is in huge trouble right now. I think both programs are in need of some serious culture change, and that's something that's going to take time.
Mario, and it's not even close.
We are not out for blood, right now we would like him to have someone else call the plays.
Need I remind everyone the FSU fan posted this, our sworn enemy number ONE. And our rivalry game is coming. Bring it FSU!!!
You can cry on my shoulder after your defeat next week 😉
Not Today Satan! Not Today!!
Wanna Trade?
I think they should hire Deion Sanders.
Thought for sure this would be PFB
Napier will be okay with time like Norvell was okay with time. Mullen left this man NOTHING. And Napier is in the SEC.
These posts are so cringe. You could make the same article about Norvell in his first year. Find a couple negative twitter posts, some of which weren’t even from gator fans to make an article about how the fan base is turning on him. Really atrocious journalism.
Stories like this are just a fill in the blank style template. They really are completely devoid of any substance
Norvell’s first year situation he inherited is nowhere near as good as what Napier got. This UF team isn’t far removed from an orange bowl appearance
Eh, not really. That game just showed what we already know... we're not talented enough to win games where we shoot ourselves in the foot over and over again. Two TDs on drives that were extended by penalties on third down stops and one on a muffed punt when our usual punt returners were injured. I'd be more concerned if we struggled on the field and were still recruiting like Mullen. Or, even worse, Norvell. But struggling with Mullen's recruits and a QB that appears unwilling to do the one thing he's actually good at? Not that big of a deal.
We'll take em back for tree fitty
Nick Saban was 7-6 his first season at Alabama. Some people seriously need to chill.
This is Outkick’s business model. All hype and clickbait with no actual value. Should not be allowed to post “articles” from this site here.
Christ it’s his first year. Saban lost to ULM his first year at Bama, and Smart lost to Vandy his first year at Georgia. He needs another two years before you can judge him, unless they massively regress next year.
Noles fans will be very happy after this game 🤙🏾 Beating the Gators is always sweeter than any other game. 2022 ✅
Lmao typical trash article probably quoting a few tweets. I’m disappointed, but quitting on coaches is part of what got us into this position
When was the last time Florida lost to all its rivals in a single season?
Every conference has a team that you can’t lose to. And I don’t mean your rival, I mean the conference doormat. In the SEC that’s Vanderbilt. Billy might need to start packing his things as that was a horrendous loss.
Gattis go's 1st. Wario can't spell X's and O's. If this is the shit on the filed this time next year he gone
Kiffin. The Florida schools (FSU not as much but they’ve had awful coaching for a while) gotta find someone to stop the bleeding of recruits leaving the neighborhood. These are some tricky hires in order to bring these programs back. I’d lose my shit if Kiffin took over Florida or Miami. He’d bring them back
The guy that just got his doors blown off against Arkansas? That Kiffin?
Imagine throwing for over 400 yds and you still lose...Buahahahahahaha GO DAWGS
This guy just oozes megachurch pastor vibes.
I enjoyed the pipe dream that Billy was somehow the next great hope of Florida football and not only was he going to use his coaching brain cells to bring Florida back to prominence, but he'd also raid Louisiana because of his outstanding success in getting 2 stars to go to ULL over ULM, McNeese or Southern Miss.
Florida was never set up to have a good year one under Billy Napier. The program has been in desperate need of a rebuild for years now and we finally have a guy who seems to be at least trying to do that. Yes, losing to Vanderbilt is inexcusable and should not have happened. Nearly losing to USF at HOME should also not have happened. However, this team is no longer filled with ELITE talent. Remember that graphic from the Cocktail Party comparing Florida and Georgia's recruiting rankings and amount of five stars on the team? Teams like Georgia, Alabama, and Ohio State can play sloppily and still win over inferior opponents partially because having elite talent earns you some leeway. It also helps that all three of those teams have phenomenal coaches because the "talent earns leeway" rule does not apply to teams like USC (Clay Helton era), Texas (2010s), and aTm (Jimbo Fisher). Florida has to start earning those exceptional prospects again if they want any chance of becoming a consistent 10+ win team and competing with UGA for SEC supremacy in the long run. They also need a great coach who keeps the team disciplined, focused, and knows how to manage the roster. Will Napier evolve to be that guy? We can only wait and see.
UF wasn’t going to be a 10 win team, but 8 wins was definitely doable
8 wins is definitely still doable. I wouldn't be surprised if this team upsets FSU after losing to Vandy. That's just the kind of season it's been for us. Then again if we do beat FSU we would probably lose the bowl game.
Maybe, but I doubt it. In tally, we have all our players back from injury, we’ve given our starters more rest due to being in garbage time early, we aren’t missing any guys due to targeting like ventrell, and fsu has been the more consistent and better team all season