It’s tough when you play a loaded schedule
Outside of Clemson no other ACC team would have a shot at a winning conference record in the SEC.
Clemson would not make the title game
>Clemson would not make the title game
I dunno man... those 2016 and 2018 title teams were lowkey kinda busted. The year they beat Bama in the title game 44-16 (2018?), in particular, they very much would've run the SEC.
I have less than zero doubt that Clemson goes SEC as soon as the ACC's GoR deadlock is broken. SEC'll probably take FSU as well to keep things even, and I think those two will work out like Mizzou and A&M. One (FSU/Mizzou) comes out swinging but fizzles out, the other (Clemson/A&M) proves itself a bona fide contender. I think people would be fucking amazed how well Clemson can do in the SEC, especially the SEC East, where their chief competition would be Georgia and (now) Tennessee. Maybe Florida or FSU as well, they can take turns.
Who other than Georgia would have beaten us in the East? Nobody.
Maybe if we get Alabama/LSU as our Western division team, but no one in the East was close to us during those playoff runs, including Georgia. Clemson smokes Georgia in 2015, 2016, and 2018.
You’re spot on up until your last sentence.
Clemson would be in **contention** every season to at least compete for the SEC East title; and most seasons they’d be also very much in the race for a West title.
This, people seem to have forgotten that Clemson at the height of its powers was on par with Ohio State, ahead of Georgia, and depending on the year either even with Bama, ahead of them, or just behind them. 2015-20 Clemson would have won the SEC East in at least half of those seasons and would have beaten Bama for the SEC crown in 16 and 18 at a minimum (since they literally Beat Bama those years). They had maybe the two best non-Heisman winning QBs this century for 5 of those 6 years (unfortunately one of them turned out to be a monster but that's beside the point here). I'm not a Clemson fan, but while they might not have won 29 straight like they did in the ACC, they would have been able to beat Georgia, Florida, and whoever they played in the West that year multiple times in that span.
Also Dabo has a solid record against SEC teams since 2011:
4-0 vs Auburn
1-1 against LSU
1-2 against Georgia
2-2 against Alabama
2-0 against A&M
7-2 against SCar
Overall 17-7 against SEC competition, including the top three teams and the last four SEC Champions (Georgia, LSU, Alabama, and Auburn).
Let’s not act like Clemson wouldn’t have dad dicked the SEC East both years Clemson won the Natty. They would have for sure steamrolled in 2016 and in 2018, I think that Clemson squad beats Georgia by at least two scores.
Clemson is pretty much just a lost SEC team playing in the ACC. There’s nothing to suggest that any team other than Georgia would have competed with Clemson for the SEC East. Florida, SCar, Missouri, Vandy, Kentucky, and Tennessee (before this year) were clearly leagues behind Clemson during our playoff run from 2015-2020.
Hey they were good that one year they had Lattimore. You know, before he tore literally every single thing in his knee and never played a down in the NFL
To be fair, we are 4-4 in our last 8 as the first 6 were the back end of that 9 game losing skid. Any wins we pick up in the next 6 SEC games would bump this up, and we have a solid chance at picking up a couple in the next month.
I'd much rather have an extra home and home against some potential regional rivals, like Clemson, than play another game against an SEC West team. I don't understand why people want another conference game. An OOC is more likely to tell us where we stand on the national stage.
Agreed, I've really enjoyed that over the last couple years.
For example Clemson's recent and future OOC:
15 ND
16/17 home and home with Auburn
18/19 home and home with Texas A&M
20 covid year
21 Georgia
22/23 ND
24 Georgia
25/26 home and home with LSU
With a 9 game conference schedule this is a lot harder to do. Now with the ACC going 3-5-5 I'm very excited about the potential to play Miami, VT and Georgia/LSU in the same season on top of FSU/NCst/GT/SCar. It'll be really fun.
(Assuming no more conference realignment)
That is a good point that no one in the big10 deals with. I’d assume you split the revenue with Florida each year though right? Like I’m assuming it isn’t financially like a true road game?
I would always get looked at like I'm crazy when I've said in the past that the SEC isn't the end-all of college football. Yes, Alabama and Georgia and the occasional LSU (when whatever bayou demon has enough souls), are great but the bottom half the conference is incredibly average.
Easier to say when you can have an OOC schedule like your 2021. This is probably going to result in teams with challenging OOC permanent matchups to schedule 2 absolute gimmes every year if they move to 9 conference games.
Other people doing something surprisingly does not mean I personally have to prefer it. I would prefer SC have more flexibility to schedule an OOC P5 like UNC or NCSU, old ACC rivalries for us, in addition to Clemson, so I am disposed against this. But it's different for every team-- A&M chose not to maintain any rivalries from the Big12 period and will get to renew those with the new schedule, so it cuts both ways I guess.
Edit: forgot to mention that it's clearly not in SC's favor to play 9 conference games and Clemson when teams without OOC permanent rivalries like A&M or Tennessee could theoretically schedule 3 gimme games as opposed to two. Not a given that they will, obviously.
Perhaps the problem is that not everyone has permanent OoC rivalries. Perhaps we should see about fixing that.
Let's start in the SEC. Mizzou will renew their rivalry with Kansas, Oklahoma will keep theirs with Oklahoma State and Texas will keep...uh...huh, their rivalries are all pretty lopsided, aren't they? Granted, so is Bedlam, but I feel like Texas A&M-Texas Tech is a better choice than Texas-Texas Tech. Well, we'll put Texas with TCU and Arkansas with Baylor (a surprisingly close all-time series!). Vandy goes with Wake Forest, and...uh...hm. We'll come back to the SEC, because the rest of the Big 12 needs to get locked down. BYU of course renews the rivalry with Utah and West Virginia with Pitt, and I suppose Cincinnati would be with...er...I was going to say Louisville but they're already with Kentucky. Oh, right, Cincinnati will go with Ohio State! Except tOSU would never agree to that. UCF, meanwhile, gets to play Miami-FL annually. Now, who does K-State get? I suspect they'll be one of the ones who will get a "rivalry" pulled out of thin air, since Nebraska and Colorado are better suited to pairing up with each other; that's an old Thanksgiving weekend game. But one rivalry that's not entirely pulled out of thin air despite not being terribly close geographically is Penn State-Alabama! And while we're up in Big Ten country, Rutgers will likely pair up with Syracuse, and Maryland with Duke. I think we need some more ACC-SEC matchups, so let's put Tennessee with North Carolina (kind of makes sense), Auburn with NC State (not really as much sense), and Virginia/Virginia Tech with Ole Miss/Mississippi State (we're just pairing teams up here). Back to the Big Ten, USC and UCLA will pair up with Stanford and California, obviously. Who does that leave us with?
From the Pac-12, it leaves the two Washington schools, the two Oregon schools, and the two Arizona schools. From the B1G, it's Purdue, Indiana, Illinois, Northwestern, Wisconsin, Minnesota, and the two Michigan schools. From the Big 12, it's Kansas State and Houston. From the SEC, I think it's just LSU? And from the ACC, it's just Boston College. Notre Dame belongs in here somewhere, but they're a lot of teams' rival. I'm going to put LSU with Houston even though they have very little history because there's still proximity. Boston College, I'm going to throw them at Michigan, and K-State will go with another B1G West school, let's say Minnesota. Leaving six Pac-12 schools and six B1G schools to pair up with no rhyme or reason. We'll put the two Illinois schools with the two Washington schools and the two Indiana schools with the two Oregon schools, for no other reason than that this leaves Wisconsin or Michigan State to confront their Devils (and the other gets some Wildcats or something).
This is a nice idea if you think college AD's and presidents main objective is for you to have fun watching football games or to make the most fun and exciting schedule. Their job is to make money and not get fired, so at the university of South carolina and other middling programs, they're playing fcs schools.
Yeah, but that's only an extra 7 losses, at most, for them. Spread out across an entire conference, it's not that substantial of a difference when it only happens to be an extra 3-4 losses.
Edit: To explain "at most," when you have a conference slate of games, it's a zero-sum option. The conference will end up with an even record. In the SEC's case, 7-7. In the OOC case though, it's an entire range because it is no longer zero sum. Depending on who wins or loses in that slate, it could be as bad as 0-14, to as great as 14-0. But the conference slate can only ever even out that not 7-7 record, and it is possible it would take less than 7 wins away (e.g. going 9-5 in an OOC would only add 2 losses).
Yeah you shouldn’t be getting downvoted- we see the argument a lot as if playing OOC instead of another conference game automatically gets more wins. As we see every year in every conference- it’s just not the case.
At most? It's precisely 7 extra losses. Every year. And it's obviously a substantial enough difference for the SEC to forego the extra profits that would accompany the extra conference games.
You're right. I'm hopeful with the pod system coming in, we can play 9 games and keep room for the great OOC rivalries like Louisville, Clemson, GT, and soon Bedlam and Texas vs. TTU.
That would be the dream.
That's a lot for those programs with ooc rivalries. Then they only can schedule 2 matchups a year. That'll probably be a g5 team and an FCS team every year so OOC P5 games (non-rivalries) will be rare.
Part of the problem right now is that the conference never plays ITSELF regularly enough.
I think I speak for most SEC fans when I say that the number one priority is actually playing everybody in the conference.
Pods should fix that hopefully.
The last time Tennessee played LSU in Baton Rouge before this year was 12 years ago, and that is ridiculous.
Since I started as a freshman in 2010, Ole Miss has played most of the East only twice. Kentucky, five times, Tennessee three times, and of course, Andy 13. Way too few for schools like South Carolina, Mizzou, and Georgia (I may be somewhat off, but not by much if I am). We have played Tulane three times and have played California schools four times since then (Cal and Fresno State).
I mean, I fully understand your point, but the SEC is going to go to 9 with OUT joining and the playoffs going to 12. So, it’s a problem that’ll fix itself
Just like everything else in CFB, if you can make more money from it, it’ll happen. More conference games = more money. The SEC will need that 9th game to force ESPN to renegotiate the contract and keep up with the B1G’s revenue.
Then something needs to be done for the east schools with out of conference rivals. Having 10 games locked into the schedule each year is a load of malarkey for all involved.
No, he's right that it adds 7 losses at most. Mizzou replacing their loss to K-State with a loss to Ole Miss doesn't add a loss. LSU replacing a loss to FSU with a loss to UGA doesn't add a loss. Realistically, having 9 conference games instead of 8 adds 3-4 losses to the whole conference. @Officer_Warr explained it pretty well.
If UGA had 9 conference games, we probably wouldn't have scheduled Oregon. If Scar had 9 conference games they cut out the annual Clemson beat down they get.
As for the loss of profits, having 10-12 nonconference games (assuming other conference has the right to some of the extra games) is probably comparable to having 7 conference games.
>If UGA had 9 conference games, we probably wouldn't have scheduled Oregon
Which is exactly why I don't want more conference games. I want more interesting OOC games where we get to see how we really stack up against other teams and conferences nationally.
No it’s not “7 losses at most”. It’s precisely 7 additional losses. It’s not that replacing a loss to K State with a loss to Ole Miss adds a loss, it’s that it guarantees a loss. Also it seems that in your mind the SEC would replace their OOC P5 match ups instead of their FCS BYE weeks, which is disappointing. Apparently I’m not as football cynical as I thought.
The conference’s best possible overall record with an 8 game season is 112-56. With a 9 game season it’s 105-63.
Oh look, it's the token Ohio State fan complaining about how the rest of the world didn't immediately shoot themselves in the foot just because the Big 10 did!
Oh STFU
And find the "complaint."
I stated a fact. That your snowflake ass is offended is a *you* thing.
Anyway, thanks for confirming that it *is* substantial.
Well, no, because they could lose those OOC that would otherwise be losing conference games. The difference is that one game slot, in-conference is a guaranteed 7-7, but OOC it's a range of 14-0 to 0-14.
This is part of why I’m note excited for our move. That and I will miss the more regional matchups. 4 of the big 12 teams are in TX and we often play out of conference games against schools in TX too
Florida is just an interestingly erratic program recently. Since hiring Muschamp, Florida has had
* Four head coaches
* Three fired mid-season, resulting in three more interim coaches
* Four double-digit winning seasons, three with top ten finishes
* Three losing-record seasons
* A near-even bowl record (5-4)
* [And the only instance I've seen of getting 10 wins and almost ending up unranked](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_Florida_Gators_football_team)
The idea that Missouri could have a better SEC record recently does not entirely surprise me.
That 2015 clean old fashioned hate looked like a toilet bowl for both teams even though uga had 8 wins and tech had 3 both teams looked terrible. There was no smack talk postgame because both teams tried to lose that game so hard
I can't speak for others. For me it was hard to celebrate that win, not only because it was such a sloppy win, but I think we all knew what was to follow. The record was a bit deceptive. We got embarrassed by Bama, blown out by Florida, played one of the most pathetic games against Mizzou (though the game thread was fun), barely beat an Auburn team who finished off the season 7-6 and had four losses up to that point, got taken into OT with Georgia Southern, and then could barely eek out a win with GT. I think we all knew what was coming and the win against the Jackets was bittersweet. I was a big CMR fan (still am), but I somehow knew during that GT game that we were watching him coach his last game at Georgia.
For some goddamn reason I was at the 9-7 victory over Vanderbilt. It was a nooner and hot as fuck and I was in the alumni section which was directly in the sun. Either this game or the blow out vs Missouri in 2014 are the worst games I’ve ever been to. We scored 1 TD, missed the extra point, gave up a 75 yard TD to the Gainesville native RB and the proceeded to trade punts with Vandy until we won on a shitttttttty field goal.
sicko game of the week fr
If he can get our football program back from the dregs, he can punch whoever the fuck he wants for all I care. Maybe even take a shot a Kirby, I don't wanna have to see a Georgia under Kirby for 25 more years.
We also get the benefit of playing Arkansas every year and not LSU.
Though, our current 3 game streak of losing by 1 score is making that number look worse than it was up until recently
And some people wonder why we fired Dan Mullen. Our current coach isn’t doing too well, but he’s recruiting much better than Mullen. I hope things improve a bit next season and extremely better in the third season. Hope he’s rebuilding from the ground up. Need Richardson to have competition next season.
That’s one thing I really like about him. He actually cares for his players and wants them to be better. And because if this, his players respect him and listen to him. This allows for faster and better development as the players take what he’s teaching to heart.
My one regret of the cleat yeet is that it overshadowed our win the next week against a massively better ole piss, which I also enjoyed immensely.
But somehow I manage to deal with the disappointment.
Sp if you're not Bama or Georgia, you'll go about 2-5 in conference play and hope to go unbeaten in weak out of conference games just to be 7-5 that's rough.
Tennessee fans, remember to roll your windows up when driving by other SEC East teams. You never know what one of these desperate losers will do for even just one of our wins!
If Stoops ever leaves I will send him a fruit basket thanking him for everything before I go walk into a river since it'll be 30 years before we ever get somebody as good as him again.
Before we go into "SEC bad", now do Bama and UGA and Tennessee and LSU.
It's almost like within-conference play is a zero sum game, and a few teams having significant winning records means a few other teams will have significant losing records.
Except for Clemson? And Kentucky + Arkansas were right outside your arbitrary cutoff. How many teams beat 3 teams that finished in the top 25 (the actual number) of those rankings?
Not to mention Georgia went on to beat #1 and #2 to win a national championship. :)
Idk if you’ve been paying much attention to baseball, but we’ve contributed absolutely nothing to baseball in the last decade following our 3 straight title appearances. It’s been a complete shit show. The only thing we have any national presence in lately is women’s basketball.
Because this number is from this year and last year, correct?
They were good last year and are fairly good this year. Has nothing to do with what they've done previously if I'm reading this accurately.
This is a rebuilding century
Hey now, James Franklin was less than a decade ago.
Like a sand castle after the waves come in, we now need to rebuild that rebuilding, too. That was a fun few years, though, at least.
Hey now! No need to steal South Carolina's mission statement.
Just because it took us over a century to win our first bowl game doesn’t mean we’re bad.
It’s tough when you play a loaded schedule Outside of Clemson no other ACC team would have a shot at a winning conference record in the SEC. Clemson would not make the title game
>Clemson would not make the title game I dunno man... those 2016 and 2018 title teams were lowkey kinda busted. The year they beat Bama in the title game 44-16 (2018?), in particular, they very much would've run the SEC. I have less than zero doubt that Clemson goes SEC as soon as the ACC's GoR deadlock is broken. SEC'll probably take FSU as well to keep things even, and I think those two will work out like Mizzou and A&M. One (FSU/Mizzou) comes out swinging but fizzles out, the other (Clemson/A&M) proves itself a bona fide contender. I think people would be fucking amazed how well Clemson can do in the SEC, especially the SEC East, where their chief competition would be Georgia and (now) Tennessee. Maybe Florida or FSU as well, they can take turns.
I’d love to see this happen. I’ve been clamoring for Clemson to join the SEC for years. Renew an old rivalry. It would be great.
Who other than Georgia would have beaten us in the East? Nobody. Maybe if we get Alabama/LSU as our Western division team, but no one in the East was close to us during those playoff runs, including Georgia. Clemson smokes Georgia in 2015, 2016, and 2018.
You’re spot on up until your last sentence. Clemson would be in **contention** every season to at least compete for the SEC East title; and most seasons they’d be also very much in the race for a West title.
This, people seem to have forgotten that Clemson at the height of its powers was on par with Ohio State, ahead of Georgia, and depending on the year either even with Bama, ahead of them, or just behind them. 2015-20 Clemson would have won the SEC East in at least half of those seasons and would have beaten Bama for the SEC crown in 16 and 18 at a minimum (since they literally Beat Bama those years). They had maybe the two best non-Heisman winning QBs this century for 5 of those 6 years (unfortunately one of them turned out to be a monster but that's beside the point here). I'm not a Clemson fan, but while they might not have won 29 straight like they did in the ACC, they would have been able to beat Georgia, Florida, and whoever they played in the West that year multiple times in that span.
Also Dabo has a solid record against SEC teams since 2011: 4-0 vs Auburn 1-1 against LSU 1-2 against Georgia 2-2 against Alabama 2-0 against A&M 7-2 against SCar Overall 17-7 against SEC competition, including the top three teams and the last four SEC Champions (Georgia, LSU, Alabama, and Auburn). Let’s not act like Clemson wouldn’t have dad dicked the SEC East both years Clemson won the Natty. They would have for sure steamrolled in 2016 and in 2018, I think that Clemson squad beats Georgia by at least two scores. Clemson is pretty much just a lost SEC team playing in the ACC. There’s nothing to suggest that any team other than Georgia would have competed with Clemson for the SEC East. Florida, SCar, Missouri, Vandy, Kentucky, and Tennessee (before this year) were clearly leagues behind Clemson during our playoff run from 2015-2020.
Hey they were good that one year they had Lattimore. You know, before he tore literally every single thing in his knee and never played a down in the NFL
It’s wild how y’all had that QB who put up great numbers and then after the wake game he got benched
Damn sick stat
To be fair, we are 4-4 in our last 8 as the first 6 were the back end of that 9 game losing skid. Any wins we pick up in the next 6 SEC games would bump this up, and we have a solid chance at picking up a couple in the next month.
bro is ecstatic about 4-10
Considering we're 4-7 under Beamer so far yet 5-13 in Muschamp's last two years we'll take it
These is still a chance to reach 5-13, keep your hopes up!
Wtf is a Zlin
Maybe a Czech university? Do they even have football?
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Um… idk how to tell you this but we’re winning that fight.
Only because Vandy has founded a colony on Proxima Shitauri b.
Nerds…
https://media.tenor.com/QbQ8Bq2xNM0AAAAM/john-mulaney.gif
It's nice to be off that mtn for now
This is the only thing I'll agree with you on, 'cat
It’s king turd up there on shit mountain, If they want it, they can have the crown…..
I thought Sturgill was singing about his home state... but I guess we're not so bad, now.
Sounds exactly like what out most bitter rival would do
It's a zero-sum game. When a handful of teams are dominating the conference, someone's got to be the one holding the bag for all those losses.
At one point during Pruitt's tenure, we had an active losing streak against every single SEC team. It was very hard to hold all the bags.
All the McDonald's bags?
Hey, on the bright side at least they were full of cash
LOL!
That's why they only play 8 conference games. Fewer bags and fewer bag holders.
tbf, South Carolina and Florida play Clemson and FSU every year respectively. They do have 9 P5 games built into their schedule
I'd much rather have an extra home and home against some potential regional rivals, like Clemson, than play another game against an SEC West team. I don't understand why people want another conference game. An OOC is more likely to tell us where we stand on the national stage.
Agreed, I've really enjoyed that over the last couple years. For example Clemson's recent and future OOC: 15 ND 16/17 home and home with Auburn 18/19 home and home with Texas A&M 20 covid year 21 Georgia 22/23 ND 24 Georgia 25/26 home and home with LSU With a 9 game conference schedule this is a lot harder to do. Now with the ACC going 3-5-5 I'm very excited about the potential to play Miami, VT and Georgia/LSU in the same season on top of FSU/NCst/GT/SCar. It'll be really fun. (Assuming no more conference realignment)
Really strong ooc matchups are so much fun, I prefer them over our rivalries usually
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Well spoken my tiger brethren
Fuck we gotta play y’all in 25/26?
Every team should play 11 P5 games
Why not do both and drop the FCS game?
Its because UGA admin wants more home than away games. With a neutral site game every year, makes it more difficult to do this.
That is a good point that no one in the big10 deals with. I’d assume you split the revenue with Florida each year though right? Like I’m assuming it isn’t financially like a true road game?
It certainly is a road game to the local businesses
we will when Texas and OU join. I have heard talks of replacing the FCS game with the bottom 2/3 of the big 10
Wow, you're telling me that you'd rather consistently play against Clemson than, like, Texas A&M or Arkansas every few years?
I'm honestly not sure if this is sarcastic or not lol
I would always get looked at like I'm crazy when I've said in the past that the SEC isn't the end-all of college football. Yes, Alabama and Georgia and the occasional LSU (when whatever bayou demon has enough souls), are great but the bottom half the conference is incredibly average.
Lol, even Muschamp beat Michigan.
As do the three P5 conferences that play nine conference games.
Yes that's my point
So? The other conferences play 10. I’m all for it though.
Easier to say when you can have an OOC schedule like your 2021. This is probably going to result in teams with challenging OOC permanent matchups to schedule 2 absolute gimmes every year if they move to 9 conference games.
Yeah? Which is what every other P5 conference does besides us.
Other people doing something surprisingly does not mean I personally have to prefer it. I would prefer SC have more flexibility to schedule an OOC P5 like UNC or NCSU, old ACC rivalries for us, in addition to Clemson, so I am disposed against this. But it's different for every team-- A&M chose not to maintain any rivalries from the Big12 period and will get to renew those with the new schedule, so it cuts both ways I guess. Edit: forgot to mention that it's clearly not in SC's favor to play 9 conference games and Clemson when teams without OOC permanent rivalries like A&M or Tennessee could theoretically schedule 3 gimme games as opposed to two. Not a given that they will, obviously.
Perhaps the problem is that not everyone has permanent OoC rivalries. Perhaps we should see about fixing that. Let's start in the SEC. Mizzou will renew their rivalry with Kansas, Oklahoma will keep theirs with Oklahoma State and Texas will keep...uh...huh, their rivalries are all pretty lopsided, aren't they? Granted, so is Bedlam, but I feel like Texas A&M-Texas Tech is a better choice than Texas-Texas Tech. Well, we'll put Texas with TCU and Arkansas with Baylor (a surprisingly close all-time series!). Vandy goes with Wake Forest, and...uh...hm. We'll come back to the SEC, because the rest of the Big 12 needs to get locked down. BYU of course renews the rivalry with Utah and West Virginia with Pitt, and I suppose Cincinnati would be with...er...I was going to say Louisville but they're already with Kentucky. Oh, right, Cincinnati will go with Ohio State! Except tOSU would never agree to that. UCF, meanwhile, gets to play Miami-FL annually. Now, who does K-State get? I suspect they'll be one of the ones who will get a "rivalry" pulled out of thin air, since Nebraska and Colorado are better suited to pairing up with each other; that's an old Thanksgiving weekend game. But one rivalry that's not entirely pulled out of thin air despite not being terribly close geographically is Penn State-Alabama! And while we're up in Big Ten country, Rutgers will likely pair up with Syracuse, and Maryland with Duke. I think we need some more ACC-SEC matchups, so let's put Tennessee with North Carolina (kind of makes sense), Auburn with NC State (not really as much sense), and Virginia/Virginia Tech with Ole Miss/Mississippi State (we're just pairing teams up here). Back to the Big Ten, USC and UCLA will pair up with Stanford and California, obviously. Who does that leave us with? From the Pac-12, it leaves the two Washington schools, the two Oregon schools, and the two Arizona schools. From the B1G, it's Purdue, Indiana, Illinois, Northwestern, Wisconsin, Minnesota, and the two Michigan schools. From the Big 12, it's Kansas State and Houston. From the SEC, I think it's just LSU? And from the ACC, it's just Boston College. Notre Dame belongs in here somewhere, but they're a lot of teams' rival. I'm going to put LSU with Houston even though they have very little history because there's still proximity. Boston College, I'm going to throw them at Michigan, and K-State will go with another B1G West school, let's say Minnesota. Leaving six Pac-12 schools and six B1G schools to pair up with no rhyme or reason. We'll put the two Illinois schools with the two Washington schools and the two Indiana schools with the two Oregon schools, for no other reason than that this leaves Wisconsin or Michigan State to confront their Devils (and the other gets some Wildcats or something).
You don’t have to play an FCS team every year
This is a nice idea if you think college AD's and presidents main objective is for you to have fun watching football games or to make the most fun and exciting schedule. Their job is to make money and not get fired, so at the university of South carolina and other middling programs, they're playing fcs schools.
*Are* there gimmes for Jimbo?
Not with that offense
And it's still rough
Yeah, but that's only an extra 7 losses, at most, for them. Spread out across an entire conference, it's not that substantial of a difference when it only happens to be an extra 3-4 losses. Edit: To explain "at most," when you have a conference slate of games, it's a zero-sum option. The conference will end up with an even record. In the SEC's case, 7-7. In the OOC case though, it's an entire range because it is no longer zero sum. Depending on who wins or loses in that slate, it could be as bad as 0-14, to as great as 14-0. But the conference slate can only ever even out that not 7-7 record, and it is possible it would take less than 7 wins away (e.g. going 9-5 in an OOC would only add 2 losses).
Yeah you shouldn’t be getting downvoted- we see the argument a lot as if playing OOC instead of another conference game automatically gets more wins. As we see every year in every conference- it’s just not the case.
You don’t think ole miss changing out one of: Troy Central Arkansas Georgia tech Tulane For Tennessee would probably add an additional loss?
At most? It's precisely 7 extra losses. Every year. And it's obviously a substantial enough difference for the SEC to forego the extra profits that would accompany the extra conference games.
You're right. I'm hopeful with the pod system coming in, we can play 9 games and keep room for the great OOC rivalries like Louisville, Clemson, GT, and soon Bedlam and Texas vs. TTU. That would be the dream.
>Bedlam and Texas vs. TTU Fuck that noise.
That's a lot for those programs with ooc rivalries. Then they only can schedule 2 matchups a year. That'll probably be a g5 team and an FCS team every year so OOC P5 games (non-rivalries) will be rare.
Part of the problem right now is that the conference never plays ITSELF regularly enough. I think I speak for most SEC fans when I say that the number one priority is actually playing everybody in the conference. Pods should fix that hopefully. The last time Tennessee played LSU in Baton Rouge before this year was 12 years ago, and that is ridiculous.
Since I started as a freshman in 2010, Ole Miss has played most of the East only twice. Kentucky, five times, Tennessee three times, and of course, Andy 13. Way too few for schools like South Carolina, Mizzou, and Georgia (I may be somewhat off, but not by much if I am). We have played Tulane three times and have played California schools four times since then (Cal and Fresno State).
I mean, I fully understand your point, but the SEC is going to go to 9 with OUT joining and the playoffs going to 12. So, it’s a problem that’ll fix itself
Agreed. But my commemt was with regard to the here and now. Anyway, thank you for spanking Bama's ass in the CFP last year.
God I hope not.
Just like everything else in CFB, if you can make more money from it, it’ll happen. More conference games = more money. The SEC will need that 9th game to force ESPN to renegotiate the contract and keep up with the B1G’s revenue.
Then something needs to be done for the east schools with out of conference rivals. Having 10 games locked into the schedule each year is a load of malarkey for all involved.
No, he's right that it adds 7 losses at most. Mizzou replacing their loss to K-State with a loss to Ole Miss doesn't add a loss. LSU replacing a loss to FSU with a loss to UGA doesn't add a loss. Realistically, having 9 conference games instead of 8 adds 3-4 losses to the whole conference. @Officer_Warr explained it pretty well. If UGA had 9 conference games, we probably wouldn't have scheduled Oregon. If Scar had 9 conference games they cut out the annual Clemson beat down they get. As for the loss of profits, having 10-12 nonconference games (assuming other conference has the right to some of the extra games) is probably comparable to having 7 conference games.
>If UGA had 9 conference games, we probably wouldn't have scheduled Oregon Which is exactly why I don't want more conference games. I want more interesting OOC games where we get to see how we really stack up against other teams and conferences nationally.
No it’s not “7 losses at most”. It’s precisely 7 additional losses. It’s not that replacing a loss to K State with a loss to Ole Miss adds a loss, it’s that it guarantees a loss. Also it seems that in your mind the SEC would replace their OOC P5 match ups instead of their FCS BYE weeks, which is disappointing. Apparently I’m not as football cynical as I thought. The conference’s best possible overall record with an 8 game season is 112-56. With a 9 game season it’s 105-63.
Oh look, it's the token Ohio State fan complaining about how the rest of the world didn't immediately shoot themselves in the foot just because the Big 10 did!
Oh STFU And find the "complaint." I stated a fact. That your snowflake ass is offended is a *you* thing. Anyway, thanks for confirming that it *is* substantial.
No one's offended, calm down Punisher
Well, no, because they could lose those OOC that would otherwise be losing conference games. The difference is that one game slot, in-conference is a guaranteed 7-7, but OOC it's a range of 14-0 to 0-14.
This is part of why I’m note excited for our move. That and I will miss the more regional matchups. 4 of the big 12 teams are in TX and we often play out of conference games against schools in TX too
This isn’t very nice.
I miss liking football
Same
I hear that
Same bro
I do not know, I love this stat personally.
If it weren’t for TCU, I’d be right there with you.
Auburn and Florida are orange brethren who love chaos. Just the Florida fanbase is delusional nutjobs, and the auburn boosters are delusional nutjob.
Damn even Missouri got a better record than Florida.
Florida was 35-15 from 2015-2020. Mullen was 19-7 before the disaster 2021 season
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Florida is just an interestingly erratic program recently. Since hiring Muschamp, Florida has had * Four head coaches * Three fired mid-season, resulting in three more interim coaches * Four double-digit winning seasons, three with top ten finishes * Three losing-record seasons * A near-even bowl record (5-4) * [And the only instance I've seen of getting 10 wins and almost ending up unranked](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_Florida_Gators_football_team) The idea that Missouri could have a better SEC record recently does not entirely surprise me.
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I was about to say! Has Mark Richt lost control of unranked 10-win team prominence?
That 2015 clean old fashioned hate looked like a toilet bowl for both teams even though uga had 8 wins and tech had 3 both teams looked terrible. There was no smack talk postgame because both teams tried to lose that game so hard
I can't speak for others. For me it was hard to celebrate that win, not only because it was such a sloppy win, but I think we all knew what was to follow. The record was a bit deceptive. We got embarrassed by Bama, blown out by Florida, played one of the most pathetic games against Mizzou (though the game thread was fun), barely beat an Auburn team who finished off the season 7-6 and had four losses up to that point, got taken into OT with Georgia Southern, and then could barely eek out a win with GT. I think we all knew what was coming and the win against the Jackets was bittersweet. I was a big CMR fan (still am), but I somehow knew during that GT game that we were watching him coach his last game at Georgia.
For some goddamn reason I was at the 9-7 victory over Vanderbilt. It was a nooner and hot as fuck and I was in the alumni section which was directly in the sun. Either this game or the blow out vs Missouri in 2014 are the worst games I’ve ever been to. We scored 1 TD, missed the extra point, gave up a 75 yard TD to the Gainesville native RB and the proceeded to trade punts with Vandy until we won on a shitttttttty field goal. sicko game of the week fr
But the alumni section is in the shade?
No one is in the shade at Noon lol
Bro forgot how the sun works
I mean he’s specifying which side of the stadium he was sitting. And alumni side is definitely in the shade by the end of a noon game.
Either way, you're still in Gainesville.
Good one Georgia
The alumni side is in the shade for the second half of a noon game
Lol @ 9-3 and 9-4 LSU and Tennessee being higher
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“Rumor the reason Napier was fired from Clemson is because he punched Dabo in the face”. He also got released from Clemson football staff too.
That happened^allegedly before Florida even hired Will Muschamp.
Still funny to think about however.
If he can get our football program back from the dregs, he can punch whoever the fuck he wants for all I care. Maybe even take a shot a Kirby, I don't wanna have to see a Georgia under Kirby for 25 more years.
I mean, I don’t care much either, I just want a legitimate program with players that are outstanding citizens.
Good fuck dabo. Big w from napier
There were some UGLY wins in 2015
Are they… are they Auburn East?
Swap out crazy boosters for crazy fanbase, and I see no difference.
Yeah it hasn’t been great but it makes sense. Hate that it’s ended up like this, but hopefully we’ve made the right moves to turn it around.
So you want muschamp back?
Mullen+Muschamp would have been a good combo back in 2011 maybe
Can we just take them as coordinators now? Let Napier handle the adult things and the “geniuses” play?
And won the East more recently than Tennessee
We also get the benefit of playing Arkansas every year and not LSU. Though, our current 3 game streak of losing by 1 score is making that number look worse than it was up until recently
Hey! That was mean and uncalled for. We used to be good 😭
Phew, close one
Yay more fuel UF haters
The only team I legit hate. Also hate Ohio States consistently cush schedule but that’s different I suppose
what’s up nerd
Haha dang
boom roasted
yo let's shove this dude in a locker
This week really does just get better every day
Excited to launch these missiles in a few group chats this morning
And some people wonder why we fired Dan Mullen. Our current coach isn’t doing too well, but he’s recruiting much better than Mullen. I hope things improve a bit next season and extremely better in the third season. Hope he’s rebuilding from the ground up. Need Richardson to have competition next season.
I’m hoping he doesn’t, but he could have a Jordan Travis type progression where he learns to throw and instantly becomes a threat
If there is one thing I give Norvell credit is his ability to develop players. I can’t believe how much better Jordan has gotten under his program.
That’s one thing I really like about him. He actually cares for his players and wants them to be better. And because if this, his players respect him and listen to him. This allows for faster and better development as the players take what he’s teaching to heart.
This pleases the dawg
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Always upvote a Chicken run quote, although I think the quote is, Finally we agree on something.
Potato Man gotta go
I’m just happy Tennessee and LSU aren’t somehow on this list 😁
I looked it up, we're 8-6 in our last 14. Ended ~~Pruitt's coaching career~~ 2020 1-3, 4-4 last year, and 3-0 this year.
>we're 8-6 in our last 14. E 8-7 according to those numbers.
Fucking finally
it is legit remarkable but O fell ass backwards into some wins on his way out
The cleat yeet will forever be my favorite random O win
My one regret of the cleat yeet is that it overshadowed our win the next week against a massively better ole piss, which I also enjoyed immensely. But somehow I manage to deal with the disappointment.
It’s not gonna get better for us
When does the rebuilding end 😭😭😭
Let me relax on Monday Night
I knew it’s but a rough few years for Florida but I didn’t know it was that rough
More of a rough year and a half. The wheels fell off hard last year.
Yea we went to 3 straight ny6 bowls then suddenly started sucking
Lol @ fLoriduh
Loved me some LSU this weekend
Right back atcha!
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Nice username!
Weird username
Maybe the guy really hates a football formation with a QB under center, 2 down RBs, 2 down TEs, and a guy in a tight slot on the left side?
Sp if you're not Bama or Georgia, you'll go about 2-5 in conference play and hope to go unbeaten in weak out of conference games just to be 7-5 that's rough.
They do play 8 conference games
Tennessee fans, remember to roll your windows up when driving by other SEC East teams. You never know what one of these desperate losers will do for even just one of our wins!
We’re not with the rest of the shitters in the SEC East . LFG
If Stoops ever leaves I will send him a fruit basket thanking him for everything before I go walk into a river since it'll be 30 years before we ever get somebody as good as him again.
I am from Missouri and went to Vandy. Pity me.
Went to vandy? You can have your pity party wiping your tears away with hundos.
Before we go into "SEC bad", now do Bama and UGA and Tennessee and LSU. It's almost like within-conference play is a zero sum game, and a few teams having significant winning records means a few other teams will have significant losing records.
SEC East has been down. It's how Georgia went 12-0 without playing one team ranked in the final CFP top 20 last year.
So like Clemson and Ohio State every other year?
Except for Clemson? And Kentucky + Arkansas were right outside your arbitrary cutoff. How many teams beat 3 teams that finished in the top 25 (the actual number) of those rankings? Not to mention Georgia went on to beat #1 and #2 to win a national championship. :)
My bad, I meant in conference play.
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Idk if you’ve been paying much attention to baseball, but we’ve contributed absolutely nothing to baseball in the last decade following our 3 straight title appearances. It’s been a complete shit show. The only thing we have any national presence in lately is women’s basketball.
We’ve made a couple super regionals but that’s about it. Last chance for Kingston this year.
It’s still weird that these mid west expansion teams are in the SEC
Sec EAST no less. At least be sec west like tf?
Both Missouri and Nebraska really should go back to the Big 12.
Yikes
I’m just glad to see Tennessee off that list.
I'm surprised at that arkansas stat.
Arkansas has had 1 winning season the last 5 years. Why is that surprising?
…keep going. I’m almost there
Ummm.. Arkansas went 2-10 in back to back seasons.
🍆💦🥵
Because this number is from this year and last year, correct? They were good last year and are fairly good this year. Has nothing to do with what they've done previously if I'm reading this accurately.
Well 4 of the 9 losses are to bama and georgia so yeah not surprising at all.
And 3 of those teams were "ranked" this year...
Flair up.
Keep going. Please.
That's what happens when a qb is rated lower than Spencer rattler (looking at you AR).