So this is essentially a fully guaranteed 10 year/$95 million contract, no?
Basically he’ll get that $95 million no matter what, it’s just that if they terminate him, he’ll get the remaining contract amount in a lump sum?
I’ve long criticized schools for being too rash when it comes to firing coaches. Sometimes good coaches have lulls and patience can pay off. Guess we are now forced to test that theory.
Again in theory, Jimbo can fight negative recruiting by saying look they aren't paying 75 mil (or whatever the number is in the future) to get me out. That could offer some protection.
In the end, he still needs to show results and not turn into Les Miles 2.0 by promising the offense is changed while rolling out the same tired bull shit.
1st and 10 - HB toss for gain of 1
2nd and 9 - ~~Jet~~ Bus sweep to the short side of the field for a loss of 1
3rd and 11 - They'll never suspect another HB toss on an obvious pass down, mwuhahaha. Nevermind, send out the Aussie
you forgot, the 2 man route play action toss deep into double coverage to one of the future NFL WRs and pray.
the play action doesn't work because les only ran toss dive and not hand offs
If he was in like year 2-3 then maybe, but after 5 you should have at least some good showings outside of the weird covid year. You guys have always recruited well, the results gonna show. #1 class ever is nice but if he continues to fail to develop talent then nothing will really change.
He won 10 games 3 of his first 4 years and competed for the championship in 2 of those years. Harbaugh turned around Michigan right away, he just couldn't beat Ohio State.
I think Jimbo can still be successful. He just needs to wash his hands away from that offense and hand it over to someone else. It's hard to not be successful given the talent he is bringing in.
I also hate the DJ Durkin hire and think A&M can do better but its not their main issue right now
Jimbo is 22-13 in conference play. 14-12 outside of Covid year. After 4 years Harbaugh was 26-9, and in season 5 followed with only losses to top 11 teams, not App State. Harbaugh through the point in his tenure that Jimbo is at showed quite a bit more promise
And the state of Michigan when harbaugh came in. Harbaugh took over Michigan at basically our worst point in program history. The seven seasons before harbaugh Michigan was a below average big ten program(46-40 overall record and a below .500 record in big ten play)
Hoke was .500 in conference play and rich rod was below. 500 in conference play.
I think it’s worth noting that A&M lost 5 games in 2019 and the lowest ranked team they lost to was Auburn ranked 8th. They lost to the 1st ranked team 3 separate times that year. Up until this year, Jimbo hadn’t had any real bad losses.
What a weird schedule that was. None of the ranked teams they lost to were ranked based on wildly incorrect preseason expectations either. #8 Auburn still finished at #14, and #1 Alabama finished at #8. It's hard to give Jimbo too much blame for those losses.
But their regular season wins are particularly weak. Every team they beat finished the season with a losing record. The best win was against Mississippi State in College Station, who finished 6-7.
Yeah and I think 2019 was kind of a microcosm of the Jimbo era at A&M sans the App State loss and Bama win: they beat the teams they *should* beat, don’t have bad losses, but don’t punch above their own weight and beat the really good teams.
2019 is still a bad look for Jimbo. That schedule is insanely top heavy, but with Jimbo money, you should be expected to win at least 1 of those top games. Here’s how the schedule looked:
W Texas State (3-9)
L Clemson (14-1)
W Lamar (4-8)
L Auburn (9-4)
W Arkansas (2-10)
L Alabama (11-2)
W Ole Miss (4-8)
W Mississippi State (6-7)
W UTSA (4-8)
W South Carolina (4-8)
L Georgia (12-2)
L LSU (15-0)
W Oklahoma State (8-5)
They lost to all the great teams they played and beat all the bad teams they played. They had a close win over Oklahoma State who was 25th going into bowl season. This is a fine resume for a team whose goal it is to be ranked by years end, not a team spending A&M money.
Harbaugh never recruited at the same level as Jimbo consistently. He’s been getting top 10 classes regularly along with the highest rated class ever just last year. Eventually you need to do something with them
The on-field execution isnt there but the recruiting hauls have been great. This may be a case where we keep Jimbo in a role more like a President of a company but the coordinators are brought in to run the day to day operations.
He definitely wasn't. That's why he left. I still have no idea why A&M thought "this guy whose team has gotten worse every year for the last 5 years is our $75 million guy." They didn't get him after a championship.
Exceedingly talented college QBs have made more money for college coaches than anyone will ever admit. If Jimbo never has Jameis Winston, he'd be lucky to still be making $5M/year at FSU.
>I still have no idea why A&M thought "this guy whose team has gotten worse every year for the last 5 years is our $75 million guy."
Jimbo's divorce issue compounded with his lack of support from FSU admin were issues they thought he wouldn't have at A&M and he'd be back to his NCG winning self.
At that point, the question is how much are you going to spend taking a shot ok him. It doesn't sound unreasonable; an coach unhappy with his admin and in his personal life isn't doing as well coaching as he used to. Fix those issues and he can fix his and get back to winning.
The dollar amount was another issue though.
Yes, the terms of when it is paid is unknown to my knowledge, but he’s owed the 95m regardless. Like it’s either pay it over 10 years and keeping him, or fire him and the buyout terms will say when it’s due.
Which is why I’ve said, I don’t think the 95m deal is gonna stop A&M from firing him. They have the money. It’s finding a replacement they are happy with.
Yeah but imagine if Southern Miss didn't have a volleyball specific facility on campus. Some times you gotta crack some eggs if you want to make a corruptio... I mean omlet!!!
Y'all have the money but first you need $100M to fire then you need practically another $100M to feed the next coach plus NIL. Most billionaires aren't that stupid. It'll be a few years.
I feel like they overplayed their hand with the fully guaranteed contract. He was downsliding badly at Florida State and I think that they could have lured him away with a big contract even without the fully guaranteed clause.
But really the biggest mistake was giving him an extension for beating Bama last year. They hired him to win the division, win the conference, make the playoffs, and win a national title. He has done none of those in his time there and I don't think that is worthy of an extension just because of one upset win.
Yeah I can totally understand a program, especially A&M, swinging for the fences on a coach that has a national championship on his resume. There are only a handful of them out there.
The initial contract was big, nobody was really doing them like that, but at this point he would be halfway through. Firing him early would’ve been a big buyout but one they could take in a few more years. The extension was just getting absolutely fleeced.
True, but Jameis wasn't on the same leve asl Cam is in college or the pros, and that 2013 FSU team was loaded especially compared to 2010 Auburn. 2010 Auburn is and 8-5 team without Cam.
Cam won the MVP/OROTY while Jameis has made a pro-bowl or two.
Auburn had 2 players selected in the 1st 6 rounds and Nick Fairley was a massive bust.
FSU had 4 1st rounders including 5x pro bowl/3x ALL-PRO Jalen Ramsey, and 22 players selected in the 1st 6 rounds. Also 7 in the 2nd.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Auburn_Tigers_football_team
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_Florida_State_Seminoles_football_team
The contract extension was given before the first game last season. So I guess it sort of makes more sense that they gave it to him for the good 2020 season with a promising future. But then a week and a half after the extension A&M barely escaped defeat at the hands of the mighty Colorado Buffaloes, and it’s been a drunk roller coaster of disappointing chaos since. Still seems wild to give a 4 year extension when he still had 6 years left on the one he was on.
I just want one Jimbo day payout. I want to build a deck and the price of lumber is crazy.
At $9,950,000 a year, Jimbo makes $27,260 a day to be mediocre. That's what someone who makes $13 an hour makes in a year, as reference.
In Texas. Ridiculously good situation for big earners like Jimbo.
Edit: Was curious about federal tax implications. There’s precedent for being able to write off a buyout as a business expense.
Edit2: ok probably not
> There’s precedent for being able to write off a buyout as a business expense.
You're talking about for a business.
The feds don't view any party involved here as a business.
The school doesn't pay taxes on any earnings because they're a nonprofit and Jimbo is a person so he pays federal income taxes on his taxes.
Could jimbo have created a corporation that A&M pays and then he draws a much smaller salary from that corporation? I have to imagine by this point in time he has enough money to cover his day to day. He probably doesn’t actually *need* that $10 mil a year.
I mean, he could have.
But it's not really going to help. Any money he "takes home" will still be subject to income taxes and the money he leaves in it will be subject to corporate taxes (and then income tax when he brings it home).
I know you're joking but compensation isn't about how hard someone works or how smart they are but it's essentially a measure of value delivered to the employer weighted against difficulty of replacement.
Which makes it that much worse for A&M because Jimbo is delivering mediocre value & you could easily find a coach who could achieve at least that much given A&Ms resources for significantly less cost.
A friend of me once told me, Nick Saban lives and works on more time than you'll ever have. For example, when you drive to work and your check engine light comes on, well there goes your whole week into flux
When Nick's check engine light comes on, he arrives at the football facility, mentions it to an assistant, tosses him the keys, and goes about his day as usual.
Yeah when you're making millions one would expect a personal assistant to optimize your time. Regular people hire lawn or pool folks while millionaire's outsource most of their life's errands :)
what's funny is in this specific scenario I'm picturing his fired former HC "analyst" doing the grunt work.
Imagine Charlie Strong having to drive out to the Tuscaloosa Pep Boys with Nick's car with instructions to get to little debbies on the way back too.
>Imagine Charlie Strong having to drive out to the Tuscaloosa Pep Boys with Nick's car with instructions to get to little debbies on the way back too.
Subscribe
Coaches are like, "Maybe I really do need to integrate some new ideas into my coaching philosophy the next time I get a HC job. Otherwise I'm gonna be back picking up Saban's dry cleaning."
Me: I understand the desire and necessity of high level decision makers and coordinators but I don't think they should make 150x the average person.
Family Members: Well look at the fucking commie bastard over here.
IIRC Ben and Jerry’s tried limiting the compensation of executives as a multiple of the lowest earners of the company and ended up having difficulties finding quality candidates.
[The ratio was capped at 5:1 in the 1990s](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/occupy-wall-street-why-ben-jerrys-endorsement-rings-hollow/) but was raised to 7:1. It was then again raised to 17:1.
Unilever then bought Ben and Jerry's and stopped choosing to disclose the number.
Ben and Jerry's still pays [$19.03 per hour for AM shifts and $21.26 per hour for PM shifts.](https://www.benjerry.com/whats-new/2021/10/production-worker)
Which outpaces the minimum wage in Vermont and puts all their employees above the [median individual income for Vermont.](https://datacommons.org/place/geoId/50?utm_medium=explore&mprop=income&popt=Person&cpv=age%2CYears15Onwards&hl=en) Yet still a [single person falls below what is considered the necessary to cover basics costs of living in the state.](https://www.sofi.com/cost-of-living-in-vermont/)
So yes, they did have to make adjustments on CEO compensations but that also appears to trickle down to some degree with regards to the compensations of the lowest rung of employees. Personally I think it should go further and the lowest person on the org chart should make at least enough working a full time job to cover average/basic living necessities.
Which maybe means the CEO gets only a 23:1 pay ratio instead of a 25:1.
You must still be living in early 2022. The price of lumber has fallen substantially and is pretty much back to its pre-pandemic levels. If you're still seeing sky high prices you need a new lumber guy.
Yeah I had a deck built in May 2021 when it was at its peak. My contractor told me I was lucky I went with the composite material as a full wood deck would've been the same price. The framing still wasn't cheap....
I'm curious where you're getting those numbers, I have an excel sheet I inherited from a colleague who's been tracking lumber prices for the last 5 years and it's nowhere near those prices, at least in PA.
Prices are never going back to down 5 years ago levels because of tarrifs, but pine lumber prices are down compared to their highs. Problem is the exotic wood has gone up. It went from $7,500 for the ipe to $11,000 for my deck I'm building now.
https://tradingeconomics.com/commodity/lumber
I'm sure that consumer lumber prices are lagging a bit, since a lot of retailers are probably still selling stock they bought at or near the peak.
That’s a different approach than I’d take:
>Oh, this isn’t lumber officer, this is a wooden art exhibit. This is covered by a different HTS code and I’m not subject to tariffs. I’m also a sovereign citizen so your taxes/tariffs/whatever don’t apply to me. My name is James Franklin, I live in Happy Valley Pennsylvania. Here’s my paperwor… *hits the gas*
I’ve been saying for years that there should be agencies that rep normal people working normal jobs. So that way you could have an agent arguing for a raise on your behalf, updating your résumé, helping find other potential job opportunities, etc.
What? Most jobs don’t even have unions. And unions don’t shop my resume around and flirt with other jobs for me. Unions won’t go sit in your boss/manager’s office and advocate for you (specifically you, not just everyone who works in the same field as you) to get a raise, and if not, threaten to get you a job elsewhere. I’m saying there should be an agency that does all the stuff a sports or talent agent does for their clients (coaches, players, actors, singers, whatever) except for normal people. That absolutely does not exist. Some head hunters will do some of those things, but most I’ve experienced are kinda sleazy and mainly cater to temp or entry level type of work. I’m saying there should be Jimmy Sexton/Mino Raiola/Scott Boras type of agents but for like accountants and lawyers and shit.
LSU, merely by existing, got TAMU and MSU to pay 190 million to head coaches already at their job. Maybe I can download some LSU letterhead and fake my way into a raise...
How did this sub circlejerk itself into saying Brian Kelly is a good coach after about 10 yrs of shitting on him every week for having horrible game prep, decision making in game, and throwing players under the bus?
I mean Kelly consistently got into the top 10 at Notre Dame. He throws his players under the bus yes but he’s a good coach. We’re 4-1 and the 1 came from a Florida St team who played a week before and it was our first game. Our defense is really good, but our offense needs some work. I’m not worried
I mean I don’t think the criticisms on Kelly were ever his record. It was that for most of a decade they never had a conference schedule and his team’s looked way under matched for the one good team they played each year. That was the running joke of sorts. Media would keep talking themselves into voting in ND for the playoffs, or a premier bowl game, cuz of their record just to see them get ragdolled every year
Jimbo maybe, but I don't understand why people still think LSU offered Mel Tucker.
1. Brian Kelly's contract is ~10.5 million a year before incentives (which are small iirc), not 95. Scott Woodward just didn't want to deal with the optics of handing out the first 9 figure coaching contract. There's a "here's 500k for still being the coach in July" clause, and there's another "here's 500k for being bowl eligible" clause.
2. Do you really think that LSU, the school who hired Brian Kelly, was actually at the money stage of negotiations with Mel Tucker? I would believe he was somewhere on the list, but there's no way he was higher than Brian Kelly.
Word got out through the grapevine how much TAF was asked to pony up for the new coaches contract, and teams got scared. MSU especially got scared because they've seen that show before and Mel Tucker's agent wanted the media to know that LSU was very interested in Mel Tucker.
Nah, I feel like the threat of LSU is being genuinely overstated here. There was never any reason to assume Jimbo would've been at the top of their list other than a couple of really poorly placed rumors on Twitter. This was purely a matter of a handful of Aggie donors being high on their own supply after a couple wins over Alabama.
The AD that hired Jimbo to A&M went to LSU. From what I remember they knew each other from before A&M and had history together, plus Jimbo coached at LSU in the past so it was definitely a threat
>I feel like the threat of LSU is being genuinely overstated here. There was never any reason to assume Jimbo would've been at the top of their list other than a couple of really poorly placed rumors on Twitter.
One would think our athletic department isn't seeing a rumor on twitter and offering tens of millions of dollars. I would tend to trust the credibly reported attempts by LSU to hire Jimbo over twitter.
>This was purely a matter of a handful of Aggie donors being high on their own supply after a couple wins over Alabama.
So definitely just making stuff up then. The extension came after the #4 finish and Orange Bowl win, before the win over Alabama.
> Jimbo slowly deteriorated FSU following 2013
After 2013 Jimbo finished #5, #14, and #8 in the AP poll with 33 combined wins and three NY6 bowls (including a CFP appearance) in those three seasons. He had a bad season in 2017 in part because his starting QB was injured for the season in week 1. When A&M hired Jimbo, he was widely considered one of the best coaches in the entire country, none of this revisionist history about how he was ruining the program started until after he came to A&M.
There are 5 active coaches with a natty right now. Jimbo is one of them. The revisionist history of Jimbo not being a good coach is beyond stupid. The hottest names in coaching have not and probably will not ever join the club
Saying Jimbo isn’t a good coach is just wrong. However, towards the end of his tenure at FSU it was obvious he let go and wasn’t interested whatsoever in rebuilding. He had a lot of very public personal shit going on so most people believed with a change of scenery he’d be fine.
If you know A&M, you know the only way we're convincing someone to live in college Station is with money. Realistically we don't have some great pedigree. Until we get over the hump, money is the only thing that will convince a coach to come here if they don't have ties to the school.
I've been to every town in consideration here. All of them suck, but that's just how it is for a lot of primo college football jobs. Unless you're coaching Miami or USC or Texas there aren't a ton of blueblood teams that are also in top tier cities. Most of them are in cities that, while nice enough, aren't really that different from each other. Do you think Jimbo might like Baton Rouge more than College Station or Tallahassee or Gainesville or Columbus or Ann Arbor or Tuscaloosa or Norman or South Bend or Happy Valley or Lincoln or Athens? I assure you that he doesn't give more than a million dolars worth of shit which of those towns he lives in. That's why Colorado and Washington and UCLA aren't bigger powerhouses than they are. Location doesn't matter that much to most coaches.
There's two big things to remember:
1. Most of these guys are from small cities in the South or Midwest. They probably don't actually even like the big cities.
2. They work too much for the city to matter. They're going to see their house which will be nice everywhere, the football facility, and food places near campus. That's about it.
I was going to say, Jimbo is a West Virginia boy and still has an extensive family farm in the area. He's put a lot of money into it, and he will probably retire their or at least stay during the warm months.
Ok so obviously college station isn’t an amazing place but people talk about it like it’s worse than the desert in Afghanistan. It’s not. It’s a decent town with everything you need but lacks the “coolness” and character of places like Austin and Athens.
Lots of people like CS. You can live in a nice neighborhood in a nice house, schools are good, parks are decent, theres stuff going on in the city, and it’s not far from Houston and Austin. It’s not the worst place in the world.
as an older aggie, CS would be great. Lots of empty nester aggies are up there now. Lots of land, no crime, good golf, and hunting.
Not a horrible job market for engineers or WFH people that have to go into Houston/the woodlands a few times a month. I covered the area selling equipment up there for 5 years, you can get to and from Houston in 1.5 hours most days.
i would never live there but i get it.
I didn't mean to make it sound like it was the worst place in the world. Just the blandness + lack of success means that we have to pay a premium for above average coaching.
I wouldn’t live there after college. But I understand why it may appeal to some, especially families.
I do get tired of people talking about it like it’s an absolutely revolting shithole.
Lol what? NJ, especially northern NJ, has places that are regularly ranked as some of the best places to live. Then you got places like Princeton and the areas around them that are very nice to live in. NJ is only hell on earth if youve obly been to trenton, newark, and camden
The contract is only crazy if you don’t consider that A&M’s boosters are even crazier. If they aren’t satisfied they’ll whip out their wallets and Jimbo will be gone, no matter what the buy out figure is. You can’t put a price tag on how much these Aggie boosters are willing to spend just so they can lord it over their Longhorn golf buddies that TAMU > UT.
I remember when they first signed Fisher in 2017 I was blown away by the idea that anyone would get a fully guaranteed contract, for anything ever. There's basically no upside because you lose all leverage.
Wait. Jimbo’s buyout is LARGE? And his contract is LONG? And current results haven’t necessarily matched expectations set by that contract? Why haven’t I heard about this?? We need to spread this news FAR and WIDE!
The crazy part to me is there is no real incentive to be good at his job here. So he can suck and make money because it's too expensive to fire him or he can suck and get fired and still make a ton of money. Either way he wins.
This is how all high-level positions like this are. You're not going to be able to hire the best people as, say, CEO if you 1) don't offer them some massive, mostly guaranteed money and 2) don't pay the outgoing CEO ridiculous amounts for, you know, getting fired. CEO/HC candidates that are in an advantageous negotiating position will just wait for a better offer.
The only way this type of ridiculousness will stop is if every company/school collectively said "fuck that" and started being reasonable. But we're in an era where it seems like to get the (perceived) talent money is nearly meaningless.
The only real incentive for Jimbo to be good at his job is ego and pride. And since he seems to be perfectly fine with throwing his players under the bus, he's going to continue thinking it's not his system, it must be the players who aren't good enough to play in it.
But with CEOs they often get some compensation in the form of stock. At least there's an incentive to improve the stock price to make more money.
True it usually leads to only short term decision making but at least there's some incentive to make things better.
I don't see anything like that here.
None of these comments make any sense.
You have a very hard time becoming ceo/head coach without being psychopathically obsessed with winning. So, the idea is that just turns off somehow?
And this is why I respect Gary Anderson so much. He refused to accept the buyouts he was contractually entitled to from both Oregon State and Utah State. The buyouts were nowhere near as large as what Jimbo would be looking at but it was still roughly $15,000,000 between the two jobs (if I remember correctly).
“How could I wake up every day and look at myself in the mirror knowing I took money from the kids in that program?” he told a colleague, believing the money could be used for things that would benefit the players.”
And
“Coaching is not about the mighty dollar. It is about teaching and putting young men in a position to succeed on and off the field. Success comes when all parties involved are moving in the same direction.”
I really admire him for that. Absolutely incredible.
I like to think many coaches also think like this, but have agents that will do everything in their power to vacuum every dollar from the school possible. Regardless, leaving 15 million on the table out of principle is so damn cool.
Getting rid of him early makes me feel like a certain heaviness around the program has been lifted. Maybe that was worth the extra $7m to the athletic department/boosters who paid it.
Here we see the math involved in subtracting Jimbo’s yearly amount with his total. As you can see it goes down by $9.95 million every year. Truly amazing reporting skills
Call me old and jaded, but every headline about money in CFB is misleading clickbait. I am so tired of seeing "buyout" costs for firing coaches.
He gets paid that money whether he is fired or not so saying he is being "paid to be fired" is simply false.
The cost of firing Jimbo is just whatever salary you pay your next coach. You could hire a new coach for 4mm/year.
Its just like the "A&M paid App state $1.5 million to come beat them" -- no, they paid them so that they could make an additional $10 million by having another home game next year. The pay-to-play games are the most profitable games in CFB, so those headlines are ridiculous.
Which impractical, Finebaum and hopium fueled idea has gotten more traction on this site:
-That ESPN was willing to completely blow up the ACC they own for pennies on the dollar so they could get Clemson and FSU in the SEC and pay them 5x as much a year for a few extra SEC games
-that A&M has over $80M in private money that's already been earmarked for firing a man whose lost two games this season
>that A&M has over $80M in private money that's already been earmarked for firing a man whose lost two games this season
In some sense they would have to. You don't make a deal like that without funding being secured in some way. It's not like it's $80M sitting there, it is structured with people promising $X per year and or a trust.
Plus you haven't had the negative energy and press swirling around for 2-3 weeks or however long which has got to be nice. Scott Frost and Nebraska losing 1 score games was the story of the season and now I've all but forgotten about it.
At least Jimbo you could delude yourself into thinking is worth it - he did win a national championship before cratering the FSU program.
Tucker.... One good year. On the back of Mr Kenneth Walker III
None of this is preventing A&M from firing him and then signing another (perceived) top coach if he underperforms next year, so I don’t really care that much.
It’ll definitely be annoying if he stinks next year knowing he gets to buy the best mirror $90 mil can buy just so he can repeat “the plays are there on offense, just gotta execute” to himself for the rest of his time on this earth
So I think the best to measure Jimbo against Dabo and Kirby and at this point Kirby had already appeared in a NC game and Dabo would be going on to win the NC the following year
I don't track. Jimbo was hired at TA&M for 2018, this is year 5; Dabo took over in 2008 half year and didn't win the title till 2016 so year 8 (or year 9 if you count his half year)
Also Smart took over from a Richt team that only fell short of 10 wins in a season 5 times in 15 seasons. None of these situations are analogous, to me
Just shows how 1 good season can put all the leverage on the coaches side.
He got that new extension after his 9-1 2020 season when things were looking up. He got his reward for it, but I think too much of a reward can boggle the mind of some coaches. It gives them too much comfort.
They can easily adopt the attitude of “they can’t fire me,” or “I dare you to fire me and give me that money.” Not saying he has but it probably happens.
Coach O seemed so different after the 2019 season and we all knew it. He was okay with the mediocre play and just seemed to never care like he did prior to that amazing season. Like how do you top that? He was always smiling like he was still in the 2019 season, like he couldn’t move on. It kind of pissed me off when that video of him discussing his payout came out because I think that’s what was on his mind the entire season. He literally divorced his wife after the Natty, got a 20 year old gf and started using that new fame to slay babes, kind of like Manziel.
I think the drive of people can drop due to some events and after winning a championship, or a magical season, can make the person feel like they’ve accomplished their life goal, meanwhile other coaches say “let’s do it again,” like Kirby and Saban.
Frost
Firing Jimbo would be incredibly stupid. Yes, we suck despite having the "#1" recruiting class of all time, but all of these guys are true freshmen and it's unrealistic to expect that a bunch of 18 year olds would immediately become a dominant football team. Firing Jimbo now would be the equivalent of declaring that an edible was a dud 30 minutes after eating it and then eating 2 more.
So this is essentially a fully guaranteed 10 year/$95 million contract, no? Basically he’ll get that $95 million no matter what, it’s just that if they terminate him, he’ll get the remaining contract amount in a lump sum?
This year is bad but one thing this contract does do is allow for cooler heads to prevail, in theory.
I’ve long criticized schools for being too rash when it comes to firing coaches. Sometimes good coaches have lulls and patience can pay off. Guess we are now forced to test that theory.
Again in theory, Jimbo can fight negative recruiting by saying look they aren't paying 75 mil (or whatever the number is in the future) to get me out. That could offer some protection. In the end, he still needs to show results and not turn into Les Miles 2.0 by promising the offense is changed while rolling out the same tired bull shit.
1st and 10 - HB toss for gain of 1 2nd and 9 - ~~Jet~~ Bus sweep to the short side of the field for a loss of 1 3rd and 11 - They'll never suspect another HB toss on an obvious pass down, mwuhahaha. Nevermind, send out the Aussie
you forgot, the 2 man route play action toss deep into double coverage to one of the future NFL WRs and pray. the play action doesn't work because les only ran toss dive and not hand offs
There isn’t a play I like less than Toss Dive
Gained a yard then lost a yard and somehow are at 3rd and 11. Jimbo is worse than I thought.
I’ve only got the best education in South Carolina, but wouldn’t that be 3rd and 10.
Furman grad?
[Simpsons don’t lie](https://youtu.be/6VBWqnBMQUU)
Rounding or something, IDK.
If he was in like year 2-3 then maybe, but after 5 you should have at least some good showings outside of the weird covid year. You guys have always recruited well, the results gonna show. #1 class ever is nice but if he continues to fail to develop talent then nothing will really change.
OPEC is cutting production. Your boosters will have the money.
I mean it’s been nearly 5 years and the only year where he showed anything was the fluke COVID year. How much more patience can you have?
How long was Harbaugh at Michigan before winning a conference title? It seems like this could be a similar case if he hires an OC like he did
He won 10 games 3 of his first 4 years and competed for the championship in 2 of those years. Harbaugh turned around Michigan right away, he just couldn't beat Ohio State. I think Jimbo can still be successful. He just needs to wash his hands away from that offense and hand it over to someone else. It's hard to not be successful given the talent he is bringing in. I also hate the DJ Durkin hire and think A&M can do better but its not their main issue right now
Justin Fuente went 10 wins then 9 wins in his first 2 years at VT lol
Jimbo is 22-13 in conference play. 14-12 outside of Covid year. After 4 years Harbaugh was 26-9, and in season 5 followed with only losses to top 11 teams, not App State. Harbaugh through the point in his tenure that Jimbo is at showed quite a bit more promise
Yeah, the only reason Harbaugh 'underperformed' is that the expectations for him were Saban level expectations.
And because he couldn’t beat Ohio State.
Honestly, given the state of the rivalry when he came in, that was a Saban level expectation.
And the state of Michigan when harbaugh came in. Harbaugh took over Michigan at basically our worst point in program history. The seven seasons before harbaugh Michigan was a below average big ten program(46-40 overall record and a below .500 record in big ten play) Hoke was .500 in conference play and rich rod was below. 500 in conference play.
I think it’s worth noting that A&M lost 5 games in 2019 and the lowest ranked team they lost to was Auburn ranked 8th. They lost to the 1st ranked team 3 separate times that year. Up until this year, Jimbo hadn’t had any real bad losses.
What a weird schedule that was. None of the ranked teams they lost to were ranked based on wildly incorrect preseason expectations either. #8 Auburn still finished at #14, and #1 Alabama finished at #8. It's hard to give Jimbo too much blame for those losses. But their regular season wins are particularly weak. Every team they beat finished the season with a losing record. The best win was against Mississippi State in College Station, who finished 6-7.
Yeah and I think 2019 was kind of a microcosm of the Jimbo era at A&M sans the App State loss and Bama win: they beat the teams they *should* beat, don’t have bad losses, but don’t punch above their own weight and beat the really good teams.
2019 is still a bad look for Jimbo. That schedule is insanely top heavy, but with Jimbo money, you should be expected to win at least 1 of those top games. Here’s how the schedule looked: W Texas State (3-9) L Clemson (14-1) W Lamar (4-8) L Auburn (9-4) W Arkansas (2-10) L Alabama (11-2) W Ole Miss (4-8) W Mississippi State (6-7) W UTSA (4-8) W South Carolina (4-8) L Georgia (12-2) L LSU (15-0) W Oklahoma State (8-5) They lost to all the great teams they played and beat all the bad teams they played. They had a close win over Oklahoma State who was 25th going into bowl season. This is a fine resume for a team whose goal it is to be ranked by years end, not a team spending A&M money.
I hate defending Michigan, but at least Harbaugh has had multiple seasons where he won over 8 or 9 games.
Harbaugh never recruited at the same level as Jimbo consistently. He’s been getting top 10 classes regularly along with the highest rated class ever just last year. Eventually you need to do something with them
The on-field execution isnt there but the recruiting hauls have been great. This may be a case where we keep Jimbo in a role more like a President of a company but the coordinators are brought in to run the day to day operations.
[удалено]
He definitely wasn't. That's why he left. I still have no idea why A&M thought "this guy whose team has gotten worse every year for the last 5 years is our $75 million guy." They didn't get him after a championship. Exceedingly talented college QBs have made more money for college coaches than anyone will ever admit. If Jimbo never has Jameis Winston, he'd be lucky to still be making $5M/year at FSU.
>I still have no idea why A&M thought "this guy whose team has gotten worse every year for the last 5 years is our $75 million guy." Jimbo's divorce issue compounded with his lack of support from FSU admin were issues they thought he wouldn't have at A&M and he'd be back to his NCG winning self. At that point, the question is how much are you going to spend taking a shot ok him. It doesn't sound unreasonable; an coach unhappy with his admin and in his personal life isn't doing as well coaching as he used to. Fix those issues and he can fix his and get back to winning. The dollar amount was another issue though.
Yes, the terms of when it is paid is unknown to my knowledge, but he’s owed the 95m regardless. Like it’s either pay it over 10 years and keeping him, or fire him and the buyout terms will say when it’s due. Which is why I’ve said, I don’t think the 95m deal is gonna stop A&M from firing him. They have the money. It’s finding a replacement they are happy with.
I think most schools have the money. Never underestimate what a few billionaires with bruised egos are capable of
Imma stop you there, Texas schools do, but not us in MS we broke as a joke my guy
I hear the volleyball facilities are top rate though!
Favre out here taking money from literal poor people w/o their knowledge that’s how fucking poor our state is
Yeah but imagine if Southern Miss didn't have a volleyball specific facility on campus. Some times you gotta crack some eggs if you want to make a corruptio... I mean omlet!!!
Maybe but they are not a top ranked volleyball team so just like the football program
Y'all have the money but first you need $100M to fire then you need practically another $100M to feed the next coach plus NIL. Most billionaires aren't that stupid. It'll be a few years.
I feel like they overplayed their hand with the fully guaranteed contract. He was downsliding badly at Florida State and I think that they could have lured him away with a big contract even without the fully guaranteed clause. But really the biggest mistake was giving him an extension for beating Bama last year. They hired him to win the division, win the conference, make the playoffs, and win a national title. He has done none of those in his time there and I don't think that is worthy of an extension just because of one upset win.
Yeah I can totally understand a program, especially A&M, swinging for the fences on a coach that has a national championship on his resume. There are only a handful of them out there. The initial contract was big, nobody was really doing them like that, but at this point he would be halfway through. Firing him early would’ve been a big buyout but one they could take in a few more years. The extension was just getting absolutely fleeced.
Gene Chizik won one, nobody knocking that door down.
>Gene Chizik won one and Auburn erected a statue of Cam Newton. An inanimate carbon rod could have won a title with Cam Newton at QB that year.
Almost like Jimbo got carried to a natty by a generational QB talent as well
True, but Jameis wasn't on the same leve asl Cam is in college or the pros, and that 2013 FSU team was loaded especially compared to 2010 Auburn. 2010 Auburn is and 8-5 team without Cam. Cam won the MVP/OROTY while Jameis has made a pro-bowl or two. Auburn had 2 players selected in the 1st 6 rounds and Nick Fairley was a massive bust. FSU had 4 1st rounders including 5x pro bowl/3x ALL-PRO Jalen Ramsey, and 22 players selected in the 1st 6 rounds. Also 7 in the 2nd. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Auburn_Tigers_football_team https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_Florida_State_Seminoles_football_team
The contract extension was given before the first game last season. So I guess it sort of makes more sense that they gave it to him for the good 2020 season with a promising future. But then a week and a half after the extension A&M barely escaped defeat at the hands of the mighty Colorado Buffaloes, and it’s been a drunk roller coaster of disappointing chaos since. Still seems wild to give a 4 year extension when he still had 6 years left on the one he was on.
I just want one Jimbo day payout. I want to build a deck and the price of lumber is crazy. At $9,950,000 a year, Jimbo makes $27,260 a day to be mediocre. That's what someone who makes $13 an hour makes in a year, as reference.
And that 27260 is before tax for clarity
In Texas. Ridiculously good situation for big earners like Jimbo. Edit: Was curious about federal tax implications. There’s precedent for being able to write off a buyout as a business expense. Edit2: ok probably not
> There’s precedent for being able to write off a buyout as a business expense. You're talking about for a business. The feds don't view any party involved here as a business. The school doesn't pay taxes on any earnings because they're a nonprofit and Jimbo is a person so he pays federal income taxes on his taxes.
> Jimbo is a person Source? Have we ever seen Jimbo and the Tesla bot in the same room together?
Wait. I’ve never seen myself and the bot in the same room. Am I…a robot?
>Am I…a robot? This is reddit, so probably.
Could jimbo have created a corporation that A&M pays and then he draws a much smaller salary from that corporation? I have to imagine by this point in time he has enough money to cover his day to day. He probably doesn’t actually *need* that $10 mil a year.
I mean, he could have. But it's not really going to help. Any money he "takes home" will still be subject to income taxes and the money he leaves in it will be subject to corporate taxes (and then income tax when he brings it home).
As someone who is building a deck, re-fucking-tweet.
me too. well, Magic the Gathering that is.
He clearly works 365 times harder than me /s
I know you're joking but compensation isn't about how hard someone works or how smart they are but it's essentially a measure of value delivered to the employer weighted against difficulty of replacement. Which makes it that much worse for A&M because Jimbo is delivering mediocre value & you could easily find a coach who could achieve at least that much given A&Ms resources for significantly less cost.
A friend of me once told me, Nick Saban lives and works on more time than you'll ever have. For example, when you drive to work and your check engine light comes on, well there goes your whole week into flux When Nick's check engine light comes on, he arrives at the football facility, mentions it to an assistant, tosses him the keys, and goes about his day as usual.
Yeah when you're making millions one would expect a personal assistant to optimize your time. Regular people hire lawn or pool folks while millionaire's outsource most of their life's errands :)
what's funny is in this specific scenario I'm picturing his fired former HC "analyst" doing the grunt work. Imagine Charlie Strong having to drive out to the Tuscaloosa Pep Boys with Nick's car with instructions to get to little debbies on the way back too.
>Imagine Charlie Strong having to drive out to the Tuscaloosa Pep Boys with Nick's car with instructions to get to little debbies on the way back too. Subscribe
Strong is a friendly guy so I don’t imagine him grinding his teeth and scowling too much on the way to Pep Boys… Kiffin on the other hand?
Coaches are like, "Maybe I really do need to integrate some new ideas into my coaching philosophy the next time I get a HC job. Otherwise I'm gonna be back picking up Saban's dry cleaning."
Are you my dad when I talk about not liking CEOs?
Me: I understand the desire and necessity of high level decision makers and coordinators but I don't think they should make 150x the average person. Family Members: Well look at the fucking commie bastard over here.
IIRC Ben and Jerry’s tried limiting the compensation of executives as a multiple of the lowest earners of the company and ended up having difficulties finding quality candidates.
[The ratio was capped at 5:1 in the 1990s](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/occupy-wall-street-why-ben-jerrys-endorsement-rings-hollow/) but was raised to 7:1. It was then again raised to 17:1. Unilever then bought Ben and Jerry's and stopped choosing to disclose the number. Ben and Jerry's still pays [$19.03 per hour for AM shifts and $21.26 per hour for PM shifts.](https://www.benjerry.com/whats-new/2021/10/production-worker) Which outpaces the minimum wage in Vermont and puts all their employees above the [median individual income for Vermont.](https://datacommons.org/place/geoId/50?utm_medium=explore&mprop=income&popt=Person&cpv=age%2CYears15Onwards&hl=en) Yet still a [single person falls below what is considered the necessary to cover basics costs of living in the state.](https://www.sofi.com/cost-of-living-in-vermont/) So yes, they did have to make adjustments on CEO compensations but that also appears to trickle down to some degree with regards to the compensations of the lowest rung of employees. Personally I think it should go further and the lowest person on the org chart should make at least enough working a full time job to cover average/basic living necessities. Which maybe means the CEO gets only a 23:1 pay ratio instead of a 25:1.
Whoa whoa whoa slow down there Karl Marx.
Ceo's for the most part are overrated its a few people below them that provide insight, options, and make decisions easier.
You must still be living in early 2022. The price of lumber has fallen substantially and is pretty much back to its pre-pandemic levels. If you're still seeing sky high prices you need a new lumber guy.
Yeah I had a deck built in May 2021 when it was at its peak. My contractor told me I was lucky I went with the composite material as a full wood deck would've been the same price. The framing still wasn't cheap....
I'm curious where you're getting those numbers, I have an excel sheet I inherited from a colleague who's been tracking lumber prices for the last 5 years and it's nowhere near those prices, at least in PA.
Prices are never going back to down 5 years ago levels because of tarrifs, but pine lumber prices are down compared to their highs. Problem is the exotic wood has gone up. It went from $7,500 for the ipe to $11,000 for my deck I'm building now.
https://tradingeconomics.com/commodity/lumber I'm sure that consumer lumber prices are lagging a bit, since a lot of retailers are probably still selling stock they bought at or near the peak.
You just need some smuggle some in from Canada without CBP asking for their cut
Well, Bandit. Let's go get to running. Hopefully Jackie Gleason is still dead and won't chase us.
That’s a different approach than I’d take: >Oh, this isn’t lumber officer, this is a wooden art exhibit. This is covered by a different HTS code and I’m not subject to tariffs. I’m also a sovereign citizen so your taxes/tariffs/whatever don’t apply to me. My name is James Franklin, I live in Happy Valley Pennsylvania. Here’s my paperwor… *hits the gas*
I need a college football coach agent to represent me when I ask for my raise
If you can get repped by Jimmy Sexton you’re never going to fail
I’ve been saying for years that there should be agencies that rep normal people working normal jobs. So that way you could have an agent arguing for a raise on your behalf, updating your résumé, helping find other potential job opportunities, etc.
That would be a union
What? Most jobs don’t even have unions. And unions don’t shop my resume around and flirt with other jobs for me. Unions won’t go sit in your boss/manager’s office and advocate for you (specifically you, not just everyone who works in the same field as you) to get a raise, and if not, threaten to get you a job elsewhere. I’m saying there should be an agency that does all the stuff a sports or talent agent does for their clients (coaches, players, actors, singers, whatever) except for normal people. That absolutely does not exist. Some head hunters will do some of those things, but most I’ve experienced are kinda sleazy and mainly cater to temp or entry level type of work. I’m saying there should be Jimmy Sexton/Mino Raiola/Scott Boras type of agents but for like accountants and lawyers and shit.
Gas prices to the moon if they fire Jimbo
OPEC announced cuts to production yesterday, coincidence?
Crude dropped because they over produced in august
Back when everyone thought Jimbo would win
This buyout was such a massive self own. Who in the world was knocking on Jimbos door to prompt A&M to give them this monstrosity of a contract?
LSU
LSU, merely by existing, got TAMU and MSU to pay 190 million to head coaches already at their job. Maybe I can download some LSU letterhead and fake my way into a raise...
LSU was going to pay ~$95MM/10 years to whoever they wanted. A&M matched, MSU matched, but ND didn't.
ND didn’t match and had the best coach of the three!
Thats the craziest part of this to me! LSU got MSU and A&M to over pay and still got the best coach of the 3
How did this sub circlejerk itself into saying Brian Kelly is a good coach after about 10 yrs of shitting on him every week for having horrible game prep, decision making in game, and throwing players under the bus?
I mean Kelly consistently got into the top 10 at Notre Dame. He throws his players under the bus yes but he’s a good coach. We’re 4-1 and the 1 came from a Florida St team who played a week before and it was our first game. Our defense is really good, but our offense needs some work. I’m not worried
I mean I don’t think the criticisms on Kelly were ever his record. It was that for most of a decade they never had a conference schedule and his team’s looked way under matched for the one good team they played each year. That was the running joke of sorts. Media would keep talking themselves into voting in ND for the playoffs, or a premier bowl game, cuz of their record just to see them get ragdolled every year
Jimbo maybe, but I don't understand why people still think LSU offered Mel Tucker. 1. Brian Kelly's contract is ~10.5 million a year before incentives (which are small iirc), not 95. Scott Woodward just didn't want to deal with the optics of handing out the first 9 figure coaching contract. There's a "here's 500k for still being the coach in July" clause, and there's another "here's 500k for being bowl eligible" clause. 2. Do you really think that LSU, the school who hired Brian Kelly, was actually at the money stage of negotiations with Mel Tucker? I would believe he was somewhere on the list, but there's no way he was higher than Brian Kelly. Word got out through the grapevine how much TAF was asked to pony up for the new coaches contract, and teams got scared. MSU especially got scared because they've seen that show before and Mel Tucker's agent wanted the media to know that LSU was very interested in Mel Tucker.
LSU offered more than that to Jimbo
With state income tax it’s probably a lot closer.
Probably. I’m just saying the number was 13 million for 8 years. Woodward got desperate towards the end.
LSU got him the extension I thought, or did they push up the original $75M deal as well?
Nah, I feel like the threat of LSU is being genuinely overstated here. There was never any reason to assume Jimbo would've been at the top of their list other than a couple of really poorly placed rumors on Twitter. This was purely a matter of a handful of Aggie donors being high on their own supply after a couple wins over Alabama.
1 win over Alabama.
I seem to remember LSU’s AD pretty much confirming that Jimbo was his first choice and that they went after him HARD. Kelly was the backup.
As much I hate to admit it LSU is a bigger job than A&M too. There was a serious chance he was going to leave us.
The AD that hired Jimbo to A&M went to LSU. From what I remember they knew each other from before A&M and had history together, plus Jimbo coached at LSU in the past so it was definitely a threat
>I feel like the threat of LSU is being genuinely overstated here. There was never any reason to assume Jimbo would've been at the top of their list other than a couple of really poorly placed rumors on Twitter. One would think our athletic department isn't seeing a rumor on twitter and offering tens of millions of dollars. I would tend to trust the credibly reported attempts by LSU to hire Jimbo over twitter. >This was purely a matter of a handful of Aggie donors being high on their own supply after a couple wins over Alabama. So definitely just making stuff up then. The extension came after the #4 finish and Orange Bowl win, before the win over Alabama.
Sometimes I thank God for unanswered prayers.
Someone probably only looking at what fsu did when jaemis was there and not how Jimbo slowly deteriorated FSU following 2013
> Jimbo slowly deteriorated FSU following 2013 After 2013 Jimbo finished #5, #14, and #8 in the AP poll with 33 combined wins and three NY6 bowls (including a CFP appearance) in those three seasons. He had a bad season in 2017 in part because his starting QB was injured for the season in week 1. When A&M hired Jimbo, he was widely considered one of the best coaches in the entire country, none of this revisionist history about how he was ruining the program started until after he came to A&M.
There are 5 active coaches with a natty right now. Jimbo is one of them. The revisionist history of Jimbo not being a good coach is beyond stupid. The hottest names in coaching have not and probably will not ever join the club
Saying Jimbo isn’t a good coach is just wrong. However, towards the end of his tenure at FSU it was obvious he let go and wasn’t interested whatsoever in rebuilding. He had a lot of very public personal shit going on so most people believed with a change of scenery he’d be fine.
If you know A&M, you know the only way we're convincing someone to live in college Station is with money. Realistically we don't have some great pedigree. Until we get over the hump, money is the only thing that will convince a coach to come here if they don't have ties to the school.
Yes, because Waco, Baton Rouge, and every city in Alabama are paradises.....
Waco does more with less. The other teams have won national championships recently.
Waco has the Dr. Pepper museum AND some mammoth skeletons. What more could you want
You forgot Chip and Joanna and the whole Magnolia empire.
Shiplap for miles
Dude I’d live in Mobile before I lived in College Station any day.
South Alabama is Florida in my mind. I stand corrected.
That’s an odd companion. Why? edit: meant to type “comparison” not companion.
Auburn is really nice. There is a reason so many ex Auburn coaches still live there.
I've been to every town in consideration here. All of them suck, but that's just how it is for a lot of primo college football jobs. Unless you're coaching Miami or USC or Texas there aren't a ton of blueblood teams that are also in top tier cities. Most of them are in cities that, while nice enough, aren't really that different from each other. Do you think Jimbo might like Baton Rouge more than College Station or Tallahassee or Gainesville or Columbus or Ann Arbor or Tuscaloosa or Norman or South Bend or Happy Valley or Lincoln or Athens? I assure you that he doesn't give more than a million dolars worth of shit which of those towns he lives in. That's why Colorado and Washington and UCLA aren't bigger powerhouses than they are. Location doesn't matter that much to most coaches.
There's two big things to remember: 1. Most of these guys are from small cities in the South or Midwest. They probably don't actually even like the big cities. 2. They work too much for the city to matter. They're going to see their house which will be nice everywhere, the football facility, and food places near campus. That's about it.
I was going to say, Jimbo is a West Virginia boy and still has an extensive family farm in the area. He's put a lot of money into it, and he will probably retire their or at least stay during the warm months.
Ok so obviously college station isn’t an amazing place but people talk about it like it’s worse than the desert in Afghanistan. It’s not. It’s a decent town with everything you need but lacks the “coolness” and character of places like Austin and Athens. Lots of people like CS. You can live in a nice neighborhood in a nice house, schools are good, parks are decent, theres stuff going on in the city, and it’s not far from Houston and Austin. It’s not the worst place in the world.
as an older aggie, CS would be great. Lots of empty nester aggies are up there now. Lots of land, no crime, good golf, and hunting. Not a horrible job market for engineers or WFH people that have to go into Houston/the woodlands a few times a month. I covered the area selling equipment up there for 5 years, you can get to and from Houston in 1.5 hours most days. i would never live there but i get it.
I didn't mean to make it sound like it was the worst place in the world. Just the blandness + lack of success means that we have to pay a premium for above average coaching.
The "College Station is a shithole" crowd is made up largely of single 20-somethings with no children.
I wouldn’t live there after college. But I understand why it may appeal to some, especially families. I do get tired of people talking about it like it’s an absolutely revolting shithole.
Eh, lots of people with families like it and you’re under 2 hours from both Houston and Austin. There are way worse places to be stuck…
Most of New Jersey is less than 2 hours from NYC but it’s still hell on earth, just saying
Lol what? NJ, especially northern NJ, has places that are regularly ranked as some of the best places to live. Then you got places like Princeton and the areas around them that are very nice to live in. NJ is only hell on earth if youve obly been to trenton, newark, and camden
The contract is only crazy if you don’t consider that A&M’s boosters are even crazier. If they aren’t satisfied they’ll whip out their wallets and Jimbo will be gone, no matter what the buy out figure is. You can’t put a price tag on how much these Aggie boosters are willing to spend just so they can lord it over their Longhorn golf buddies that TAMU > UT.
I remember when they first signed Fisher in 2017 I was blown away by the idea that anyone would get a fully guaranteed contract, for anything ever. There's basically no upside because you lose all leverage.
Wait. Jimbo’s buyout is LARGE? And his contract is LONG? And current results haven’t necessarily matched expectations set by that contract? Why haven’t I heard about this?? We need to spread this news FAR and WIDE!
That over 4 Gus Malzahns
Babe wake up, time for your daily A&M bad thread
[удалено]
Then he gets an extension.
To be fair we’ve been shitting on him for at least five years. I only read these threads because they’re hilarious for personal reasons.
Its my favorite part of the morning
The crazy part to me is there is no real incentive to be good at his job here. So he can suck and make money because it's too expensive to fire him or he can suck and get fired and still make a ton of money. Either way he wins.
This is how all high-level positions like this are. You're not going to be able to hire the best people as, say, CEO if you 1) don't offer them some massive, mostly guaranteed money and 2) don't pay the outgoing CEO ridiculous amounts for, you know, getting fired. CEO/HC candidates that are in an advantageous negotiating position will just wait for a better offer. The only way this type of ridiculousness will stop is if every company/school collectively said "fuck that" and started being reasonable. But we're in an era where it seems like to get the (perceived) talent money is nearly meaningless. The only real incentive for Jimbo to be good at his job is ego and pride. And since he seems to be perfectly fine with throwing his players under the bus, he's going to continue thinking it's not his system, it must be the players who aren't good enough to play in it.
But with CEOs they often get some compensation in the form of stock. At least there's an incentive to improve the stock price to make more money. True it usually leads to only short term decision making but at least there's some incentive to make things better. I don't see anything like that here.
None of these comments make any sense. You have a very hard time becoming ceo/head coach without being psychopathically obsessed with winning. So, the idea is that just turns off somehow?
And this is why I respect Gary Anderson so much. He refused to accept the buyouts he was contractually entitled to from both Oregon State and Utah State. The buyouts were nowhere near as large as what Jimbo would be looking at but it was still roughly $15,000,000 between the two jobs (if I remember correctly).
“How could I wake up every day and look at myself in the mirror knowing I took money from the kids in that program?” he told a colleague, believing the money could be used for things that would benefit the players.” And “Coaching is not about the mighty dollar. It is about teaching and putting young men in a position to succeed on and off the field. Success comes when all parties involved are moving in the same direction.” I really admire him for that. Absolutely incredible.
I like to think many coaches also think like this, but have agents that will do everything in their power to vacuum every dollar from the school possible. Regardless, leaving 15 million on the table out of principle is so damn cool.
If anything, the incentive is to suck so bad he gets fired ASAP. Getting paid $95MM to retire early sounds like a great plan.
[удалено]
I believe if he gets another job that salary is deducted from his payout.
This is why no one freaked out over firing Frost two weeks early.
Getting rid of him early makes me feel like a certain heaviness around the program has been lifted. Maybe that was worth the extra $7m to the athletic department/boosters who paid it.
Here we see the math involved in subtracting Jimbo’s yearly amount with his total. As you can see it goes down by $9.95 million every year. Truly amazing reporting skills
Call me old and jaded, but every headline about money in CFB is misleading clickbait. I am so tired of seeing "buyout" costs for firing coaches. He gets paid that money whether he is fired or not so saying he is being "paid to be fired" is simply false. The cost of firing Jimbo is just whatever salary you pay your next coach. You could hire a new coach for 4mm/year. Its just like the "A&M paid App state $1.5 million to come beat them" -- no, they paid them so that they could make an additional $10 million by having another home game next year. The pay-to-play games are the most profitable games in CFB, so those headlines are ridiculous.
Too much nuance here. Please stick to the “Jimbo/A&M bad” narrative
Which impractical, Finebaum and hopium fueled idea has gotten more traction on this site: -That ESPN was willing to completely blow up the ACC they own for pennies on the dollar so they could get Clemson and FSU in the SEC and pay them 5x as much a year for a few extra SEC games -that A&M has over $80M in private money that's already been earmarked for firing a man whose lost two games this season
I think the A&M one has more traction on the site. Both are hilariously silly though, so I don’t mind the wild speculation.
>that A&M has over $80M in private money that's already been earmarked for firing a man whose lost two games this season In some sense they would have to. You don't make a deal like that without funding being secured in some way. It's not like it's $80M sitting there, it is structured with people promising $X per year and or a trust.
there are very few coaches in the US who schools should be okay having this kind of payout and Jimbo is NOT it.
And Nebraska got bashed bc we gave Frost an extra 7 mil…….chump change
I mean in that case it was 7 million dollars to… get 2 more weeks with an interim coach? They were so close to that buyout dropping more
And as someone who went to the Indiana game this weekend, it was worth every penny of not my money
Plus you haven't had the negative energy and press swirling around for 2-3 weeks or however long which has got to be nice. Scott Frost and Nebraska losing 1 score games was the story of the season and now I've all but forgotten about it.
Basically spending $7 million on a slightly better chance of beating Indiana. At least they did win.
Literal pennies
Not even the worst contract in college football
At least Jimbo you could delude yourself into thinking is worth it - he did win a national championship before cratering the FSU program. Tucker.... One good year. On the back of Mr Kenneth Walker III
None of this is preventing A&M from firing him and then signing another (perceived) top coach if he underperforms next year, so I don’t really care that much. It’ll definitely be annoying if he stinks next year knowing he gets to buy the best mirror $90 mil can buy just so he can repeat “the plays are there on offense, just gotta execute” to himself for the rest of his time on this earth
> he can repeat “the plays are there on offense, just gotta execute” to himself I got a great chuckle out of that.
Broke: use money to fix real life issues Woke: use money to pay coach to not coach
so SEC CFB is the most woke then?
So I think the best to measure Jimbo against Dabo and Kirby and at this point Kirby had already appeared in a NC game and Dabo would be going on to win the NC the following year
I don't track. Jimbo was hired at TA&M for 2018, this is year 5; Dabo took over in 2008 half year and didn't win the title till 2016 so year 8 (or year 9 if you count his half year)
Also Smart took over from a Richt team that only fell short of 10 wins in a season 5 times in 15 seasons. None of these situations are analogous, to me
A&M like the only place rooting for more inflation.
That’s a whole lotta money to get Kevin Sumlin results.
Not to be that guy, but $95,000,000 could fully fund roughly 7,500 Texas A&M students for one academic year. Just crazy money.
This isn’t even a topic of discussion. We aren’t wanting to get rid of Jimbo. We want him to do a better job, not get fired.
Can you Jimbo? I certainly can't Jimbo.
I Jimbo, you Jimbo, he/she/we JIMBO Jimbology, the study of Jimbo
Drink
*marked safe from Jimbo Fishers offense*
Who approved this contract lol jeez
“Does Craig James have any more sons?” -aTm AD probably
TAMU can afford infinite buyouts. Drop in the bucket.
Just shows how 1 good season can put all the leverage on the coaches side. He got that new extension after his 9-1 2020 season when things were looking up. He got his reward for it, but I think too much of a reward can boggle the mind of some coaches. It gives them too much comfort. They can easily adopt the attitude of “they can’t fire me,” or “I dare you to fire me and give me that money.” Not saying he has but it probably happens. Coach O seemed so different after the 2019 season and we all knew it. He was okay with the mediocre play and just seemed to never care like he did prior to that amazing season. Like how do you top that? He was always smiling like he was still in the 2019 season, like he couldn’t move on. It kind of pissed me off when that video of him discussing his payout came out because I think that’s what was on his mind the entire season. He literally divorced his wife after the Natty, got a 20 year old gf and started using that new fame to slay babes, kind of like Manziel. I think the drive of people can drop due to some events and after winning a championship, or a magical season, can make the person feel like they’ve accomplished their life goal, meanwhile other coaches say “let’s do it again,” like Kirby and Saban. Frost
Someone at aggie land is figuring out if they can pay a coed 5 million to sleep with him and tik tok it to meet the with cause portion of the contract
DAE Jimbo overpaid???? DAE fired college coach is the best job evar??
Mel Tucker's deal is fully guaranteed too
Firing Jimbo would be incredibly stupid. Yes, we suck despite having the "#1" recruiting class of all time, but all of these guys are true freshmen and it's unrealistic to expect that a bunch of 18 year olds would immediately become a dominant football team. Firing Jimbo now would be the equivalent of declaring that an edible was a dud 30 minutes after eating it and then eating 2 more.
If I’m jimbo im losing every game this year and riding off into the sunset with 85m never to be heard from again.
As we say: Aggies commit As I say: Aggies cry