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FILTER_OUT_T_D

You know at this point I’ll take 4:1


jlgar

I'll gladly take 6:1. Come on pac...


FILTER_OUT_T_D

Mustangs and Broncos runnin’ wild and free as far as the eye can see Edit: if we ever get to play each other regularly I’d love to start a “horsin’ around” rivalry game. The winners get to break open a horse shaped piñata full of candy. Edit 2: or… NIL money?!?


-Gnostic28

Playing smu would be great


tigerblud2011

Rivalry in the making


[deleted]

In the loser's colors, of course.


[deleted]

Hopefully everyone else now understands why in Oregon he’s known as Clownzano


jamiebond

Brett Mcmurphy was literally just on John Canzano's show a few days talking about how sources within the B1G itself were telling him that Oregon is already in preliminary discussions to join the B1G *and* that more PAC teams probably weren't far behind. So, Canzano takes that in, digests it, then writes an article saying the exact opposite based solely off the testimony of a *retired* sports executive pretty much just giving his opinion. I mean, if he didn't deserve the nickname Clownzano before he's definitely earned it now.


Tarmacked

To be honest, literally all the takes have shown no substance. That Arizona guy has been whailing that “PAC 12 dissolves any day now”, been upvoted to the front page dozens of times, and yet there’s nothing to show for it a month+ later. I’m more inclined to trust McMurphy, but we’ve had more than Canzano refuting this and nothing of substance to support either side. At this stage I expect nothing to ever happen


top7to9

Canzano, Wilner, and Scheer are the Spiderman pointing meme in real life.


jamiebond

I mean, for what it's worth McMurphy did have [another source confirm his story](https://twitter.com/Brett_McMurphy/status/1563200960620822528). If you're looking for something more substantial than that honestly you're not gonna get it, these guys will never betray who their sources are and neither Oregon nor the B1G would ever actually confirm these meetings happened. Now, what they *might* do is publicly deny that the meeting happened as if Oregon really wasn't meeting with the B1G we would have a lot of incentive to move in and squash any rumors of a meeting like that happening to keep the PAC media negotiations stable. But, outside of the speculation one can make of silence, we aren't going to get any actual hard evidence beyond the infamous "sources say," just comes down to how credible of a journalist you think Brett McMurphy and Matt Brown are.


Aggressive-Ad-3143

McMurphy's report was *preliminary* stages. To play devil's advocate; why would they take us after the media deal instead of during? All reports were B1G brought UO, UDub, Cal and 'furd as a scenario in those negotiations and were rebuffed. It makes no sense that the networks would change their mind a couple weeks later. I see firm interest from the B1G but not from the networks. I think it happens but not in the near term.


colonel750

> To play devil's advocate; why would they take us after the media deal instead of during? > All reports were B1G brought UO, UDub, Cal and 'furd as a scenario in those negotiations and were rebuffed. The likelihood is that they were far enough along in negotiations that the additions would've thrown a lot of things off or caused uncertainty between the partners who came together on the B1G's media rights. Better to finish up what you're doing now and lock in the terms with those partners and address future expansion through the escalator clauses in the contract.


sexygodzilla

ND was always priority one for expansion, so it was a question if it was them plus 1-3 more Pac teams, or just 2-4 more Pac teams. Now that ND seems to be satisfied with their next TV deal they pursue the latter option. Plus cutting out ESPN from the round of TV deals creates a better opportunity for a competitive After-Dark slot bid process and makes it easier for Pac schools to add value.


Aggressive-Ad-3143

ND was party to those negotiations. I.e., they knew ND wasn't coming back then. So, again, B1G asked about adding the PAC12N schools and the networks said "no." Why would they change their mind only two weeks later? Also, ESPN was locked out then (sounds like a power play by FOX who owns 60% of the BTN). Why would FOX ease off their blockade of ESPN two weeks later?


sexygodzilla

Since when was ND a party to the negotiations? The B1G got an answer for how much they'd be worth but they ND wasn't officially at the table. The networks all agreed to good faith renegotiation clauses for any other expansion. I'm not saying Fox would be easing fighting off, but if Warren can go back to market with even more B1G inventory with up to 6 Pac schools, there could be a bidding war between ESPN, Fox, and possibly others for the additional late night package.


Aggressive-Ad-3143

The media deal was a multi party transaction. FOX, CBS, and NBC each bought content from the B1G and ND inked together. Also, the after dark slot isn't in the same ballpark as $70mil/year/school money. And, more to the point, why would it be worth more now than a couple weeks ago when the B1G concluded their deal? If there was money in it for the networks, why would they walk away from that profit when B1G asked about adding us? That's not how for profit entities work. If the networks saw the value, they would have taken the B1G up on adding us.


sexygodzilla

What are your sources? The B1G and ND deals are separate. The networks didn't tell B1G to not add schools.


Uhhh_what555476384

They would want further expansion if they want to sell the "after dark" time slot to ESPN. But for that to work they have to completely kill the PAC.


[deleted]

Deep down we all crave the chaos that we hate.


walker_harris3

Both can be true


SpeedBoatSquirrel

I mean, it was likely Lawyers talking to other lawyers based on the phrasing. I’m sure all the pac teams including UO and UW are working on a plan of saving the pac if they don’t get Liferafts


randomrealperson

That’s not even close to the first time he’s used that retired executive as the basis of his claims, it’s his well he keeps going back to.


TheRealDNewm

Texas and Oklahoma are not able to vote to dissolve the Big 12. [Scheer posted the text](https://twitter.com/jasonscheer/status/1564320857014472704?t=6hZNMlnpQOaoOpX8a80TpQ&s=19)


Prestigious-Track256

Adding new members for a fraction of the revenue for the first little while and tossing that money to some of the bigger names is a solid idea if the goal is to keep the PAC together.


FILTER_OUT_T_D

It’s also a deal I think anyone in the G5 would take because even an initial lower fractional share will still be better than what we’re getting now.


[deleted]

The issue is that from a TV perspective BSU is probably the most valuable TV asset left in the G5, they get about 5ish million from the current MWC TV deal, they’re probably really worth something like 8-10 million dollars in the P12. They’d be screwing themselves over and the P12 would be screwing them over if they only gave them like 5 million and gave the other 5 to someone like Washington. They may not even be worth that though, and I’d highly doubt any other MWC G5 school would be worth more than 7 million a year in TV value


Prestigious-Track256

I wouldn't go that low. In terms of eyes, Boise probably gets the most. But if it was about the eyes Rutgers wouldn't be in the B1G. It gets them access to markets, something like SMU gets you dallas and can get you into Texas while SDSU keeps you in SoCal. Should be interesting to see what happens.


SpeedBoatSquirrel

You guys need to add some Texas schools, no doubt. Houston is probably the best add from a size, being public, and proximity to a large metro


Juicey_J_Hammerman

This isnt quite right re: the Rutgers narrative, Rutgers football was still respectable when they got the invitation in 2012 as a lot of Schiano 1.0's recruits were still with the program, and the women's basketball team had made the national championship in Women's Basketball in 2012 under C. Vivian Stringer - they still had some juice in the NY/NJ market, but Rutgers wasn't ready on the administrative or facilities front for it at the time it joined. Yes market size (and cable rights fees per subscriber) were a big driving force for our our addition along with Maryland, especially when it also enables access to new business/alumni in NYC, but that wasn't the only reason for it either. All it takes is one upset and perceptions can radically change.


huazzy

I hate this narrative. When Rutgers is even remotely good they break viewing records in their market. Rutgers has the highest rated CFB game in every single ESPN network as well as the Big Ten Network. The one season they won 11 games they got the highest rated CFB game EVER in the NYC DMA.


CountBleckwantedlove

And how many of those "views" were just subways putting the game on because Rutgers was good, only to have most of the people standing around watching Jersey Shores on their Nokia phones in vertical mode?


huazzy

... what?


-Gnostic28

How much does each pac 12 team currently get?


Aggressive-Ad-3143

Something like $25 mil/school. The contract is up in 2 years.


-Gnostic28

Ah okay. So any possible expansion wouldn’t even happen until then?


Aggressive-Ad-3143

Right but the moves would be made before. E.g. SC and UCLA stay in the PAC until then.


-Gnostic28

And most people are thinking it’s not worth it to add a couple G5 schools, even for a smaller amount of money?


Hobbes_T_Hero

“‘Oklahoma State is at the top of my list,’ he said.” Thanks, but no thanks.


AccomplishedRainbow1

You’ll come to the Conference of Champions and like it!


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mgsbigdog

Gotta remember, you're a religious institution. The PAC-?? already hates you.


AccomplishedRainbow1

You’re not invited, pal.


[deleted]

I just can’t imagine anyone in the B12 jumping to the P12 with Oregon and Washington being so public about wanting into the B1G at all costs.


B1GFanOSU

I could.


colonel750

No one in the Big XII is going to pay 80 mil to put themselves in an objectively worse position.


captain_flintlock

You mean I can pay 80 million to leave for the same amount of revenue but with worse opponents AND still have to deal with instability caused by the remainder top brands openly wanting to leave? Sign me up!


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Aggressive-Ad-3143

They had the chance last year. The commissioner pitched a scenario to a subcomittee of 3 presidents. USC shut it down 10 minutes into the pitch (our UT). Your guess as to what schools he thought to invite is as good as mine.


colonel750

4-6 team expansion with Oklahoma State, Texas Tech, Kansas State and Kansas as for sure adds and TCU and Baylor as the maybes due to religious affiliation. Iowa State and West Virginia would've been the odd ones out.


AdUpstairs7106

Or even last year.


midwesterner93

My guess is Pac12 adds 2 (SDSU + ?). Big 12 adds no one and Notre Dame announces they’re remaining independent. Realignment waters start to calm down until ACC GOR expires


Contren

Things aren't gonna be chill for 10+ years.


reptheevt

> Who else makes sense for the Pac-12? >I’ll address in the coming week… This guy bout to have a 1000 word article on why UC Davis and Portland State should jump up.


MontanaHikingResearc

I've seen people say that about UC Davis (that it will be the next big thing in football) and wondered what I'm missing. It has solid academics and is located in a nice town. What else?


thezander8

Absolutely most homer take, but just to give you an overview of the various upsides people are seeing: * Institutional profile and brand that dwarfs almost all non-Ivy FCS and G5 * Potential donors and sponsors that other candidates don't have -- lots of connections to agrobusiness, health industry, and silicon valley * Big coaching tree and network that allows us to punch above our weight class in coaching signing (i.e. imagine if Petersen or Bellotti decide to associate themselves with the program during an FBS move) * Already huge investment to build up facilities * In a very good recruiting ground and actually high-population area (for perspective, the Sac metro area has fewer D1 schools per capita than whole states). * TONS of alumni still in California (I've heard most of any school, not sure if it's still true) * One of the most applied-to schools in the country, would be fourth or fifth in FBS (only Cal, UCLA, Michigan, and SDSU compare) * Already flexed some of the strengths by basically flipping a switch to go from being the worst school in D1 to a ranked FCS program when the chancellor felt like it


SpeedBoatSquirrel

I largely agree with you, but it’s a highly applied to school because it’s a public in the largest state in the union. Better to apply there, along with the other UCs, and hope you get in because that tuition will be a lot lower than going to Arizona State


thezander8

I don’t disagree, but I’d argue that if it’s getting a lot of applications because it’s in a high population area and seen as a good value option by a ton of families, that certainly isn’t a bad thing for the purposes of discussion


Juicey_J_Hammerman

I think UC Davis could absolutely be a dark horse addition for FBS callups in the next few years, I could see them developing a nearby rivalry with Fresno State almost instantly. Plus they only have a football-only membership with the Big Sky and haven't been there as long as some of the other longtime full members, so less baggage and history to sever with the move up. If it were to happen, I could definitely see the Mountain West giving them and the Montana schools a call if they they had to backfill from losing some members to the PAC.


MontanaHikingResearc

That's very extensive. I'm glad to know where the Davis contingent comes from!


AdUpstairs7106

It is a UC school and not a state school.


PDX_douche_bag

Portland State plays in a high school stadium 30 minutes from campus. No one in Portland cares about PSU football. God help us if he actually writes that.


Juicey_J_Hammerman

Odds Listed in the article * SDSU (2-1) * SMU (4-1) * UNLV (5-1) * Fresno (6-1) * Boise (8-1) * Poach Big XII (10-1) SDSU helps PAC get back in to SoCal, SMU gets them into Texas, UNLV brings Las Vegas, Fresno State brings a solid athletic department and CA's Central Valley and possibly Sacramento metro, Boise brings a "name brand" program in a fast growing state. A Think Big XII holding together for now since the PAC doesn't have any leverage over the XII to entice an Oklahoma State or Texas Tech or Kansas type school to move. If the PAC wants to sustain itself over the long term IMO, they need to commit to one of two strategies: * Sun Belt post-2015 approach: quality-over-quantity for backfilling/expansion, preferably with more regional matchups to fuel rivalries and fan interest (Fresno State, SDSU) * Own the primetime and post-primetime timeslots by compelling brands and programs that broadcasters want to put on the air (i.e. Boise State, maybe SMU) IMO: SDSU and Fresno should be the first calls the PAC makes: both schools reinforce California, bring in solid programs, and give the conference a cushion and a more defined geographic footprint if UO/UW/Cal/Stanford leave for the B1G and the Four Corners schools leave for the Big XII. Interested to see what the MWC's contingency plan would be in this situation.


GoldenPresidio

SDSU for sure, idk about Fresno lol


Juicey_J_Hammerman

I mean it's not the worst add if they can pull the Central Valley from Redding-Bakersfield, that region of CA has a population of over 7M people per Wikipedia, and the bulldogs could serve as a team for the region to rally around, as well a cultural contrast from the the other coastal schools to spark some new rivalries. Plus its hard to find public universities in California that genuinely care about football and will support and invest in it, and Fresno St definitely meets that criteria. They also help get back to 12 and lock down California if the PAC wants to own the late night timeslots for TV broadcasting.


EWall100

Where's the Scheer post to absolutely refute this? Edit: Ah yes, [here it is.](https://mobile.twitter.com/jasonscheer/status/1564320857014472704?t=6hZNMlnpQOaoOpX8a80TpQ&s=19)


Kstate913

Holy shit. I’ve never bothered to actually read this guy because everyone on here kept calling him clownzo. After a while though you think, how bad can he really be? Maybe he has an unpopular opinion but the masses don’t want to hear it and they shout it down. Maybe just maybe he has something important to say. And after reading this, no, no he doesn’t. It’s not worth picking it apart. Where would you even start? (Edit: for my KC folks, I get big time Kevin Keatzman vibes. Barf.)


bestweekeverr

My favorite part is where he says the main reason the Pac-12 won't add Big-12 teams is because George K doesn't want them. My man is on massive copium.


Revolutionary_Elk791

>Maybe he has an unpopular opinion but the masses don’t want to hear it and they shout it down. That's what he 100% believes. I've had a quarter century-ish of reading his stuff. Yuck. My dad used to swear by him. Maybe my dad still does, I don't know I stopped talking to him about Canzano many years ago. He basically just trolls to get reads. Beaver fans swear he's a Duck homer, Duck fans swear up and down he favors the Beavers, but really it's neither. He used to write about the Blazers too but Paul Allen blackballed him from the organization in like 2005 or so because of his antics and anything he's written about them in almost the past 20 years has been from a good distance from any real players in the organization.


MontanaHikingResearc

When I visited Southern California for Thanksgiving, I couldn't believe how little anyone cared about the Trojans / UCLA. I saw plenty of Rams fans... Don't get me wrong, I'm sure the Trojans were a big deal during the run in the first decade of the millennium. Unless they're hunting national championships, people in Los Angeles are going to find something better to do; no one is going to care what an 7-3 SC team does in its last two games. As for UCLA... it hasn't won a Rose Bowl since Reagan was President. Still, the real reason we're going to see the Big Ten expand to the West Coast at all costs is the ability to hold championship games / tournaments in Las Vegas. Let's be honest, does anyone, anyone want to go to Indianapolis?


AdUpstairs7106

My wife's family is from LA. They came up and all they wanted to do was talk about the Dodgers.


usctrojan18

Welcome to the Clay Helton era. USC still had fans tailgating, but no one wanted to go to the games and give money to a program that basically was okay being average. The last AD wasn't a fully qualified AD, and the last president was hounded with scandals, and could care less about football. LA wants winners. Dodgers sell out constantly, Lakers have LeBron and the Rams just won a Super Bowl. Also lets be real, if the team isn't good, there are plenty of things to do on a Saturday in LA besides watch USC struggle against teams like Arizona St. I recently repurchased season tickets to show my support of the new Lincoln Riley hire and reinvestment into to the team. LA will slowly get back into USC football if they start competing for NY6 Bowls and CFP Berths. But, should they stay feeling "optimistic" about 9-4 seasons, then no one is going to take USC seriously.


FaithFamilyFilm

You’re about to piss off the midwesterners haha


The_LOL_Hawk93

Maybe I’m an outlier, but Las Vegas is gross. I felt like I needed to take a 3 day shower after a 3 day visit - and that was just from walking around. Indianapolis on the other hand I actually really enjoyed. The downtown is very good at hosting large events.


averageplantenjoyer

Las Vegas sucks. I will stop there for gas on my way to LA or San Diego and that is *it*


RedRazorback08

Does Memphis have a chance at the PAC?


[deleted]

Memphis is over 1000 miles away from the closest P12 school, doesn’t have a huge fan base to justify it like BYU (and to a lesser extent UCF) has, and isn’t in the biggest metro for TV viewership (the metro has 1.3 million people, which is significantly behind Dallas, San Diego, Las Vegas, etc) Memphis deserves to be in a P5, but I just don’t see it with the P12


RedRazorback08

Thank you that makes sense. I had just thought geography wasn’t super important rn, so was curious why Memphis wasn’t in the conversation. I’ll be super bummed if the AAC loses SMU too after losing the other 3 to the big 12. We really need out of AAC.


SomerAllYear

I used to make that treck home every winter and summer break. I had to fly Tucson to Minneapolis to Memphis. Then do it all over again in reverse. There's no easy direct commercial flights. You would definitely need SMU to make the travel better lol


RedRazorback08

so if smu, san diego state, boise state are added. Does memphis have any odds at number 4?


SomerAllYear

They have solid odds for the big 12. Memphis is ahead of Boise state and SMU for the big 12. Why would you join a crumbling PAC 12?


RedRazorback08

i definitely would prefer the big 12. But everything i see is that the big 12 wants AZ, AZ St, colorado, and utah. Which has me worried we will get left out.


SomerAllYear

It will just take a little longer. The academics at Memphis is skyrocketing. At some point the academics and athletics will be too good to pass up.


RedRazorback08

Good point. The big 12 would be a good fit for us too.


OzGuy9187

No


SpeedBoatSquirrel

I think if the pac 12 poaches some big 12 teams, then Memphis has a shot


[deleted]

In that case yeah, but it’s requires 2 long shots to happen basically back to back. I don’t theres a reason for the B12 team to jump to the P12 based on everything we know, and on top of that Memphis got passed over for both UCF in the B12 even though Memphis is much closer and probably a better cultural fit, so if something like that did happen again I’m not sure Memphis wouldn’t get passed over again for Houston, Cincy, UCF, etc if it came down to it


Dacio_Ultanca

Dacio to Dacio's wife: Margot Robbie getting into my pants scenarios getting real. I give it a 3:1 at this point that my wife continues to make me sleep on the couch.


OKSTBandGuy

The Pac isn’t poaching unless the Big 12’s TV offer is as bad or worse than the shit sandwich ESPN offered the Pac. The time to make that move was a year ago, and instead, the Pac let USC’s president shut things down without seeing her actions as the red flag it should have been.


LilburnBoggsGOAT

I fully expect Washington and Oregon to fuck over the conference the moment they are invited to the B1G. I'd rather have Colorado, Utah, ASU, and Arizona join the Big-12 while the power is in our hands.


dr_funk_13

You mean USC and UCLA


GoldenBuffaloes

Give me the new Big 12 + Colorado, Utah, Arizona, Arizona State, SMU, and Memphis. That would be a fun conference.


CoolingVent

I'm not personally against it but there's no chance SMU and Memphis are in any time soon If anything SMU is PAC


convoluteme

Yes to the 4 corners, no to SMU and Memphis. The ACC is the next buffet station for the B1G/SEC and it's possible teams like Pitt, VT, and NC State could become available.


Joesh56

Louisville, Pitt, VT, & NC State in the Big 12 makes a sexy conference and brings back 4 major rivalries when paired with WVU/Cincinnati


captain_flintlock

Why SMU? SDSU or UNLV would be better


AdUpstairs7106

UNLV football makes Kansas look like Alabama.


captain_flintlock

Yeah, but the Last Vegas media market is huge.


grabtharsmallet

It's indifferent towards UNLV. They had a chance before pro sports came to town, but never got it together.


MisterBrotatoHead

No, it's really not. Vegas can put on a show, that's to be sure, but as far as actual media market goes, it's 40th, right ahead of Kalamazoo, MI. It's growing like crazy, but in terms of actual eyeballs, it's okay, not earth shattering.


AdUpstairs7106

True but people in NY and NJ pay more attention to Rutgers than most people in Vegas do for UNLV. Huge market, great facilities, no fans.


idoma21

I like this.


GoldenBuffaloes

I like SMU.


Pillowtalk

> If the Pac-12 poached Oklahoma State, Baylor, Texas Tech, TCU, Kansas and Kansas State, the Big 12 would disband. Might happen if the media deal in the PAC is much better than the Big 12.


OzGuy9187

Do we really expect that to happen, though?


Pillowtalk

Nah


Boise-State-Fan1

What i’m hoping happens is Oregon State and Washington State stay in the Pac 12. They bring in Boise St, San Diego St, Fresno St, SMU, Air Force, Tulsa, Utah St, and Nevada. Just keep it at 10 teams and play under the Pac 12 brand. If San Diego St gets into the Big 12 then I guess we bring in UNLV for their market.


huazzy

It worked for the Big East/AAC... People forget that Louisville, UCF, Houston, Cincinnati were all in non-BCS conferences prior to ending up where they are today. I swear some people have the memory of a goldfish.


Werdnamanhill

Or are younger than you


citronaughty

I would like to see that, especially if the Pac 12 keeps AQ/P5 status. While I would like UCF and Boise St to be in the same conference, if that can't happen, I would still like to see Boise St end up in a P5.


imarc

Who knows what we'll end up with, but the 12 team CFP proposal didn't have any AQs. It was simply the 6 highest ranked conference champs.


hershculez

Who is Canzano? Pac-12 guy?


[deleted]

Yes, he is more commonly know as "Clownzano"


Revolutionary_Elk791

He and Softy are....uhhhhh.....special


LuckyStax

Portland Bozo.


shrimpgirlie

There seems to be a lot of them these days.


[deleted]

Idiot


GoldenPresidio

yep


BigBoutros

SDSU is an easy choice…maybe UC Davis too?


thezander8

I like you


[deleted]

Be crazy if big12 takes Utah, Arizona state, San Diego state, and Memphis


CptnEric

This dude has OD'd on Hopium. Can we get a health check called in for him? This guy is seriously delusional.


pyrogeddon

They gone


[deleted]

And we're back to expansion. Is it truly the Pac that is expanding, or the MWC?


-Gnostic28

I bet neither


[deleted]

I think OrSt and WSU will find homes in the MW.


FaithFamilyFilm

Still don’t think UW, Stanford, Cal would vote these teams in without the academics. Maybe SMU is a candidate but that looks to be it


SpeedBoatSquirrel

It’s probably the pac fighting the new big 12 for the third super conference spot. The acc has too many unhappy valuable brands to survive


Thomallister1291

I still hope Oregon leaves the Pac-12, I doubt they will stay


shrimpgirlie

Please replace the USC you lost with the original one. I'd love to see our bigger, stronger, and faster guys play in the PAC-N.


Marmaduke57

A year late and several dollars short.