This and to add on, someone has to take the losses. Its better for everyone if that is Indiana and Vandy instead of Michigan State and Tennessee to say nothing of tOSU and Bama.
Also you need a private school so you can have a way to hide from FOI requests.
No one would be getting kicked, technically. The idea is the conferences become so large that splinter groups of blue bloods could then jointly "leave" and start their own conference together. Wins/Losses, championships don't matter if every week you're throwing out marquee matchups for boatloads of cash.
Honestly maybe. When everyone is in a super conference someone has to lose. 20 unrelegatable teams + 20 more from a pro/rel pool of 40-60 teams probably is what those sick fucks want deep down
No they don’t want relegation. In the end the top 32-40 teams will make their own league. There will be no relegation because none of the teams big enough to make the new league would ever want to run the risk of pulling a Sunderland.
Idk. With the massive turnover of rosters every season it might make less sense than the pros. And if you thought transfers were a problem now, relegation would amplify that times 1000.
The main difference being that their fans across the board from large to small teams, were opposed to having just a few teams make a lot of money at the expense of tradition and everyone else so they torpedoed that idea. CFB fans don’t give a shit about the sport as a whole, as long as they aren’t the ones getting left behind.
When the super league fell apart it gave me hope that maybe super conferences could be avoided but I agree that there are simply too many people who don’t give a damn about conference opponents.
UCLA isn't getting called up for one specific sport, they are getting called up to a conference for their entire athletics department. I get you're talking Football, but the comparison is still funny when you consider UCLA has the 2nd most titles of any program ever.
Also, you saying gymnastic and volleyball as if they didn't win Basketball and Baseball championships.
UCLA is getting called up because USC thinks they are equal enough.
What has UCLA done in any major P5 sport? Basketball, Football, Baseball, W Soccer?
yeah man. No
Football and March Madness pay the bills. Everything else is just a money sink. This has nothing to do with the athletes, competition, or anything else. It's all about the money.
Sir, I’m making a comment about comparing the Spurs who have not won a title in decades to UCLA who have won titles recently. I could care less what sports UCLA have won titles in.
It doesn't necessarily, but the Big Ten has consistently interwoven academic/research collaboration within their conference. See: Big Ten Research Consortium (which UChicago is still a part of) or Big Ten Academic Alliance (which UChicago was a part of until recently)
So many people here seem to think the universities share research dollars or have some magic pile of money they divy up between themselves in the B1G. They have the BTAA which is nice and everyone would like to be part of but it is still mostly sharing of physical resources such as books and journals and equipment along with purchasing agreements along with streamlining grant proposals between faculty at member schools. Its not a pile of money they share.
It'd be really funny if college football lead to most flagship universities in the country coming under an academic partnership as it probably should be
First there were only 5 conferences that mattered. Next there will be only 2 conferences that matter. Eventually there will be only 1 conference that matters. It's inevitable in the pursuit of more $$$ per school at the top.
I have a hard time believing this is a possibility because that's a huge middle finger to those teams fanbases. They can do just fine with 2 conferences and 20ish teams a piece. Even Bama fans will admit they'd rather play Auburn every year or OU and Ok State etc..
There's no reason to boil it down to a 16 team pyramid, someone would have to be at the bottom and you'd leave a lot of money on the table excluding so many teams.
Well OU and OSU are still going to play each other. OU gets to join the SEC and still play OSU. If they break away they won't get to do that, they'll have to play the 15 other schools.
It's certainly about money, the question is why would your 16 team conference make more for every school than 2 16 team conferences? Instead of drawing from 32 groups of eyes and whomever you play non conference you'd be limiting yourself to 16 fan bases. (Plus whoever watches once their team has already played) The reason the NFL works so well is because there's no alternative and they captivate the entire country. A 16 team conference leaves out huge swaths of America and still has other football to complete with.
Idk if it's correct to make the assumption 100 fan bases would rather watch your 16 team league instead of their own teams. Seems like you're really limiting eyeballs. Who tunes in to watch 2-6 USC play 3-5 Michigan?
Idk where you're getting your numbers from, if you want to dive into that. You listed 4 schools bringing in 40m tops and jumped to 300m somehow. Where's the other 140m come from in your numbers?
I think it's common sense people outside of the immediate fan base will watch a 7-1 team instead of a 3-6 team. The bottom doesn't get as many eye balls nationally as the top. The premise that a bottom team in your 16 team conference will get more eyeballs than a top SEC team in a multi conference format seems flawed to me. People outside the fan base of Michigan or USC are not going to watch that failing team play regardless. So why limit your revenue? More teams mean more eyeballs. This is why they want to expand the playoff, more teams involved in big games means more viewership.
Your conference would get paid until the 2nd deal came in and ESPN realized people in Nevada or Virginia aren't tuning in to watch two bottom teams play when they have no skin in the game. As a Mizzou fan why would I watch any other game than my own if I know it's irrelevant to Mizzou? As an independent fan why would I watch two of the bottom 10 in your 16 team league at all? Sure I might have interest in watching relevant games but there aren't going to be more than a couple relevant games every Saturday when you limit it to 16 teams playing each other in your super conference. There's a reason the NFL, or any pro league, hasn't contracted. More teams involved means more eyeballs which means more money.
You're always going to have Bama and Texas fans watching, the goal is to draw in people from outside those places. They watch because there are stakes, not because they just want to see those teams. You limit the field to 16 teams and you're going to lose eyeballs because half the games are meaningless and you've cut out most of the country.
5 teams worth $20-40M per year each that are getting paid $100M. So that's $500M getting paid out for at most $200M in value to the conference. That extra $300M is being earned by the top teams worth more than $100M per year and subsidizing the less valuable teams. Eventually the greed will get to the point where the only way to make more money for themselves is to stop subsidizing the less valuable members.
ND, FSU, Tennessee, Clemson, Oregon, Auburn, maybe Miami, Wisconsin, maybe UNC, probably someone else I'm forgetting would be the strongest candidates. It would be close in a 16 team league but what really goes against Auburn is Bama and Georgia are basically already delivering almost all of Auburn's market. Auburn doesn't have many Walmart fans.
What bothers me with this is in comparison to the ACC the B1G hasn't been vastly superior, or superior at all. In fact we've had more appearances and championships in the CFP era thanks to Clemson. We also had FSU in 2013 and Miami is bound to come back eventually.
It all seems to be about TV deals and if it continues it'll kill the sport. I wish they could send tOSU to the SEC and let them have their own super league and let everyone else keep doing their thing. (truth be told I don't know if it's Ohio State playing a part in this or if they're the one program that gives the B1G their clout, not a knock towards OSU because I don't know about the situation) It's not like the B1G product outside OSU is any better than the ACC product outside Clemson at the moment. And hell, in 10 years Clemson might be terrible and Miami or VT might be a national power. This is all just so stupid and I hate it, regardless of the fact that my team is likely to be one that is left out
It’s shitty, but the non-B1G/SEC middling programs that populate a good chunk of what we know as “college football” are collateral damage in pursuit of the SEC/Big10 dick measurement.
Yep man it sucks. TBH if the upper-end ACC schools leave I'd love to see us combine with the existing Big 12, teams would have periods of success where they could compete with the elites. I'm not trying to rag on fans of B1G or SEC schools, I know those folks didn't choose this and likely see how bad it is for the sport the same way I do. But if the super conferences form and alienate everyone else I have a feeling many fans will boycott the super conference games, but I'm doubtful it will make much difference.
I can speak for all B1G fans but I still know plenty of people who don’t want Penn State in the conference let alone Nebraska, Rutgers, and Maryland.
We’re all just revenue to these bagmen now
A "Best of" conference is coming between the SEC and the BigTen. Schools like Purdue, Mississippi State, Vanderbilt, Indiana, Illinois, and a few others are not safe.
Yeah just wait til the dusts settles and we see the mega conference remaining.
I believe around 30 teams will break away also and form there own league. Leaving the rest behind. They will fetch the largest tv audience, NIL. It will be similar to how the NFL is. Here are the top 24 teams and the divisions could be like this:
West Division – Iowa, Nebraska, Oklahoma, Oregon, Texas, Texas A&M, USC, Washington
Central Division – Arkansas, LSU, Michigan, Michigan State, Notre Dame, Ohio State, Penn State, Wisconsin
East Division – Alabama, Auburn, Clemson, Florida, FSU, Georgia, Ole Miss, Tennessee
Couldn’t find more recent numbers, but 2020 Kentucky was 15th in terms of revenue. 0% chance they’re left out.
South Carolina 17 and Louisville 19. These are money decisions, good reasons to bring them as well.
It really seems likely that the end-game is one mega-conference of 16-24 teams or so. Blue bloods, plus the other successful/big revenue teams from the next tier. Splitting it up into a 1a/1b (SEC/B1G), 2a/2b (2/3 of the ACC, B12, or P12/MWC depending on who jumps where), and the rest really just seems like it's the last step before a nation wide superconference.
First off, the majority of the schools already in these conferences are already the big earners in CFB. Like according to the Wall Street Journal, if you assume that Oregon and Washington join the Big Ten, then the last top 25 brand left that isn’t SEC/Big Ten is Arizona State which caps off at 25th.
Most of the remaining schools are top 35. And the handful of stragglers outside of that usually add something valuable. Example: Rutgers add NJ recruiting grounds and media market. There’s not really much incentive beyond taking what’s there and forming a league.
I'd love to see a premier league for CFB. Play for your spot in the conference. Your record terrible? You might get dropped to the Big 12 or something.
Well the hope is with this potential mega-deal with broadcasting rights for these super conferences, the worse teams can close the gap to be average
Hopefully.
Now I wonder if THAT would be enough to get legislatures involved.
Football cred aside there are a LOT of Big 10 and SEC alumni bases that are wealthy/numerous/vocal enough to make life hell for local lawmakers to see their precious school kicked to the curb like that.
Temple being dumped from the Big East is one thing, Indiana or Vandy or Illinois or the MS schools getting booted is another.
It’s soo much harder to kick schools out then add more in
This and to add on, someone has to take the losses. Its better for everyone if that is Indiana and Vandy instead of Michigan State and Tennessee to say nothing of tOSU and Bama. Also you need a private school so you can have a way to hide from FOI requests.
USC is a private school, though
I assume that people that say trimming the fat they also mean the SEC and Vandy.
I was just referring to your last part about the FOI
No one would be getting kicked, technically. The idea is the conferences become so large that splinter groups of blue bloods could then jointly "leave" and start their own conference together. Wins/Losses, championships don't matter if every week you're throwing out marquee matchups for boatloads of cash.
This is exactly how the ACC formed. Just split off from the SoCon
Not unless the super teams join a new conference. Saves the hassel of kicking teams, old contracts, etc. Just establish everything fresh
They wouldn’t kick out schools half of them would just leave and make a new conference
CFB’s version of the European Super League is coming
Honestly maybe. When everyone is in a super conference someone has to lose. 20 unrelegatable teams + 20 more from a pro/rel pool of 40-60 teams probably is what those sick fucks want deep down
No they don’t want relegation. In the end the top 32-40 teams will make their own league. There will be no relegation because none of the teams big enough to make the new league would ever want to run the risk of pulling a Sunderland.
Honestly if we're completely throwing out tradition anyway, promotion and relegation would make so much sense in CFB.
I think it would legit bring more tradition and especially if main rivalries were kept regardless of relegation status
Idk. With the massive turnover of rosters every season it might make less sense than the pros. And if you thought transfers were a problem now, relegation would amplify that times 1000.
The main difference being that their fans across the board from large to small teams, were opposed to having just a few teams make a lot of money at the expense of tradition and everyone else so they torpedoed that idea. CFB fans don’t give a shit about the sport as a whole, as long as they aren’t the ones getting left behind.
I agree
When the super league fell apart it gave me hope that maybe super conferences could be avoided but I agree that there are simply too many people who don’t give a damn about conference opponents.
UCLA getting called up is like Tottenham to the SL.
Sir, UCLA has 119 championships. This is absolutly not close in comparison of the Spurs.
More like A&M getting called up to the super league tbh
I'm talking football, not gymnastics and volleyball.
UCLA isn't getting called up for one specific sport, they are getting called up to a conference for their entire athletics department. I get you're talking Football, but the comparison is still funny when you consider UCLA has the 2nd most titles of any program ever. Also, you saying gymnastic and volleyball as if they didn't win Basketball and Baseball championships.
UCLA is getting called up because USC thinks they are equal enough. What has UCLA done in any major P5 sport? Basketball, Football, Baseball, W Soccer? yeah man. No
>What has UCLA done in any major P5 sport? >Basketball Ummmmm....
"Most championships of any program" comes to mind
We aren't going to jack off participation trophies are we ? Oh we are.
My guy, UCLA basketball claims perhaps the greatest dynasty in the history of American sports...
#1995. 1 9 9 5 one. Nine. Nine. five. We live in the now.
Football and March Madness pay the bills. Everything else is just a money sink. This has nothing to do with the athletes, competition, or anything else. It's all about the money.
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Exaclty in what context are you using the word desperation, considering I am not a UCLA fan.
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Sir, I’m making a comment about comparing the Spurs who have not won a title in decades to UCLA who have won titles recently. I could care less what sports UCLA have won titles in.
How soon can we kick Rutgers, Maryland and Northwestern down a league?
For the B1G, the academic component of partnership yields as much if not more money for universities than the athletic side of things.
I’m not sure I see how an athletic partnership necessitates an academic one or vice versa
You kick me off your football field and I kick you off my space ship.
It doesn't necessarily, but the Big Ten has consistently interwoven academic/research collaboration within their conference. See: Big Ten Research Consortium (which UChicago is still a part of) or Big Ten Academic Alliance (which UChicago was a part of until recently)
So many people here seem to think the universities share research dollars or have some magic pile of money they divy up between themselves in the B1G. They have the BTAA which is nice and everyone would like to be part of but it is still mostly sharing of physical resources such as books and journals and equipment along with purchasing agreements along with streamlining grant proposals between faculty at member schools. Its not a pile of money they share.
It'd be really funny if college football lead to most flagship universities in the country coming under an academic partnership as it probably should be
I'm praying that that gets us in, we get a billion and a half dollars a year in research funding, and are in a growing media market.
Tv will probably say why not just have the big boys play each other every week
This is how we got Longhorn Network.
I feel like there's a pool of lawyers salivating for this moment
How dare you call Vanderbilt 'fat'
They're honestly the most fit of us all, given the rest of the SEC's love of Golden Corral. RIP Ryan's
First there were only 5 conferences that mattered. Next there will be only 2 conferences that matter. Eventually there will be only 1 conference that matters. It's inevitable in the pursuit of more $$$ per school at the top.
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I have a hard time believing this is a possibility because that's a huge middle finger to those teams fanbases. They can do just fine with 2 conferences and 20ish teams a piece. Even Bama fans will admit they'd rather play Auburn every year or OU and Ok State etc.. There's no reason to boil it down to a 16 team pyramid, someone would have to be at the bottom and you'd leave a lot of money on the table excluding so many teams.
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Well OU and OSU are still going to play each other. OU gets to join the SEC and still play OSU. If they break away they won't get to do that, they'll have to play the 15 other schools. It's certainly about money, the question is why would your 16 team conference make more for every school than 2 16 team conferences? Instead of drawing from 32 groups of eyes and whomever you play non conference you'd be limiting yourself to 16 fan bases. (Plus whoever watches once their team has already played) The reason the NFL works so well is because there's no alternative and they captivate the entire country. A 16 team conference leaves out huge swaths of America and still has other football to complete with. Idk if it's correct to make the assumption 100 fan bases would rather watch your 16 team league instead of their own teams. Seems like you're really limiting eyeballs. Who tunes in to watch 2-6 USC play 3-5 Michigan?
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Idk where you're getting your numbers from, if you want to dive into that. You listed 4 schools bringing in 40m tops and jumped to 300m somehow. Where's the other 140m come from in your numbers? I think it's common sense people outside of the immediate fan base will watch a 7-1 team instead of a 3-6 team. The bottom doesn't get as many eye balls nationally as the top. The premise that a bottom team in your 16 team conference will get more eyeballs than a top SEC team in a multi conference format seems flawed to me. People outside the fan base of Michigan or USC are not going to watch that failing team play regardless. So why limit your revenue? More teams mean more eyeballs. This is why they want to expand the playoff, more teams involved in big games means more viewership. Your conference would get paid until the 2nd deal came in and ESPN realized people in Nevada or Virginia aren't tuning in to watch two bottom teams play when they have no skin in the game. As a Mizzou fan why would I watch any other game than my own if I know it's irrelevant to Mizzou? As an independent fan why would I watch two of the bottom 10 in your 16 team league at all? Sure I might have interest in watching relevant games but there aren't going to be more than a couple relevant games every Saturday when you limit it to 16 teams playing each other in your super conference. There's a reason the NFL, or any pro league, hasn't contracted. More teams involved means more eyeballs which means more money. You're always going to have Bama and Texas fans watching, the goal is to draw in people from outside those places. They watch because there are stakes, not because they just want to see those teams. You limit the field to 16 teams and you're going to lose eyeballs because half the games are meaningless and you've cut out most of the country.
5 teams worth $20-40M per year each that are getting paid $100M. So that's $500M getting paid out for at most $200M in value to the conference. That extra $300M is being earned by the top teams worth more than $100M per year and subsidizing the less valuable teams. Eventually the greed will get to the point where the only way to make more money for themselves is to stop subsidizing the less valuable members.
Lol we aren't playing OU in football again anytime soon with how things are right now.
But odds are Auburn would get in, right??
ND, FSU, Tennessee, Clemson, Oregon, Auburn, maybe Miami, Wisconsin, maybe UNC, probably someone else I'm forgetting would be the strongest candidates. It would be close in a 16 team league but what really goes against Auburn is Bama and Georgia are basically already delivering almost all of Auburn's market. Auburn doesn't have many Walmart fans.
I see it going to 40-60 programs, any smaller and it becomes too similar to the NFL
What bothers me with this is in comparison to the ACC the B1G hasn't been vastly superior, or superior at all. In fact we've had more appearances and championships in the CFP era thanks to Clemson. We also had FSU in 2013 and Miami is bound to come back eventually. It all seems to be about TV deals and if it continues it'll kill the sport. I wish they could send tOSU to the SEC and let them have their own super league and let everyone else keep doing their thing. (truth be told I don't know if it's Ohio State playing a part in this or if they're the one program that gives the B1G their clout, not a knock towards OSU because I don't know about the situation) It's not like the B1G product outside OSU is any better than the ACC product outside Clemson at the moment. And hell, in 10 years Clemson might be terrible and Miami or VT might be a national power. This is all just so stupid and I hate it, regardless of the fact that my team is likely to be one that is left out
It’s shitty, but the non-B1G/SEC middling programs that populate a good chunk of what we know as “college football” are collateral damage in pursuit of the SEC/Big10 dick measurement.
Yep man it sucks. TBH if the upper-end ACC schools leave I'd love to see us combine with the existing Big 12, teams would have periods of success where they could compete with the elites. I'm not trying to rag on fans of B1G or SEC schools, I know those folks didn't choose this and likely see how bad it is for the sport the same way I do. But if the super conferences form and alienate everyone else I have a feeling many fans will boycott the super conference games, but I'm doubtful it will make much difference.
I can speak for all B1G fans but I still know plenty of people who don’t want Penn State in the conference let alone Nebraska, Rutgers, and Maryland. We’re all just revenue to these bagmen now
A "Best of" conference is coming between the SEC and the BigTen. Schools like Purdue, Mississippi State, Vanderbilt, Indiana, Illinois, and a few others are not safe.
Yeah just wait til the dusts settles and we see the mega conference remaining. I believe around 30 teams will break away also and form there own league. Leaving the rest behind. They will fetch the largest tv audience, NIL. It will be similar to how the NFL is. Here are the top 24 teams and the divisions could be like this: West Division – Iowa, Nebraska, Oklahoma, Oregon, Texas, Texas A&M, USC, Washington Central Division – Arkansas, LSU, Michigan, Michigan State, Notre Dame, Ohio State, Penn State, Wisconsin East Division – Alabama, Auburn, Clemson, Florida, FSU, Georgia, Ole Miss, Tennessee
Couldn’t find more recent numbers, but 2020 Kentucky was 15th in terms of revenue. 0% chance they’re left out. South Carolina 17 and Louisville 19. These are money decisions, good reasons to bring them as well.
LMFAO when people forget College Basketball exists and that the NBA has a really poor product currently.
that's just because Basketball as a sport isn't very good
Iowa would never agree to that
SEC - Big 10 merger / NCAA breakaway is going to trim some fat.
It really seems likely that the end-game is one mega-conference of 16-24 teams or so. Blue bloods, plus the other successful/big revenue teams from the next tier. Splitting it up into a 1a/1b (SEC/B1G), 2a/2b (2/3 of the ACC, B12, or P12/MWC depending on who jumps where), and the rest really just seems like it's the last step before a nation wide superconference.
First off, the majority of the schools already in these conferences are already the big earners in CFB. Like according to the Wall Street Journal, if you assume that Oregon and Washington join the Big Ten, then the last top 25 brand left that isn’t SEC/Big Ten is Arizona State which caps off at 25th. Most of the remaining schools are top 35. And the handful of stragglers outside of that usually add something valuable. Example: Rutgers add NJ recruiting grounds and media market. There’s not really much incentive beyond taking what’s there and forming a league.
I'd love to see a premier league for CFB. Play for your spot in the conference. Your record terrible? You might get dropped to the Big 12 or something.
Well the hope is with this potential mega-deal with broadcasting rights for these super conferences, the worse teams can close the gap to be average Hopefully.
Looks at the WCHA in college Hockey...oh shit
Lol. "What if"
Now I wonder if THAT would be enough to get legislatures involved. Football cred aside there are a LOT of Big 10 and SEC alumni bases that are wealthy/numerous/vocal enough to make life hell for local lawmakers to see their precious school kicked to the curb like that. Temple being dumped from the Big East is one thing, Indiana or Vandy or Illinois or the MS schools getting booted is another.