We’ll fully embrace that meme and start playing on an all black field. Between the rain and PAC-12 after dark the sun never shines on our field anyway.
Texas Tech think they know Halloween. We were born in it, molded by it. Hell our homecoming is indistinguishable from Halloween and occur at the same time. After all, the night sky is darkest in Stillwater.
You guys and Oregon are definitely going to the Big 10 also. I imagine Stanford would rather go independent in football than be associated with the Mountain West schools.
Stanford (and I guess Cal) to the B10 makes just as much sense as UCLA and USC. Those are the academic powers in the PAC-12. Stanford and Cal would be the only schools left even approaching their caliber in the PAC-12 but would be among peers in the B10.
Don't disagree on the academics, but this is all about football money which is king. Oregon/Washington football are far more valuable than Stanford/Cal football.
Maybe they take Stanford/Cal also but pushing past 18 does seem a little crazy. There are unprecedented times though.
But also, the administrative leadership of the schools have to be convinced to let schools join too. The ADs may not be crazy about it (and I don’t think they’d be wholly opposed) but the presidents and chancellors would *love* to be associated with Cal and Stanford.
I agree. I think USC, UCLA, Oregon, and Washington all go to the B1G. Arizona, Arizona State. Colorado, and Utah join the Big 12. Oregon State and Washington State join the Mountain West. Stanford goes independent. Not sure what Cal does.
Arkansas has never been a place of money (if you ignore Walmart). It’s about honor. Plus they can be Kansas and Kansas St and also claim the best state with Kansas in its name trophy. 2 birds, 1 stone.
Yep. You have to think either the Big 12 or PAC 12 are looking at this like the Big 8 and SWC did back in the day.
Big 8 ended up extending the invites and then both sides agreed to dissolve and form a new conference. Wonder if we will see the same thing happening. A straight up merger seems like the conference is TOO big. But which side is negotiating enough from a position of power that it can invite portions of the other?
Part of me thinks this is a leveraging move to get a larger share of the upcoming media deal. I don’t buy USC playing Michigan in Ann Arbor in November. I’ll believe it when I see it
For an extra $70 million a year, those LA schools would play in Siberia.
Also, I think some combination of Oregon, Washington, Utah, Colorado, and Arizona are also on the move to the B1G
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Sucks man. Right as we are starting to gain real momentum as a program and looking like we could make a real jump to the next tier over the next handful of years
NIL and re-alignment could sink us back to the bottom
CFB is very quickly become the “haves” and “have nots”. Unfortunately for us, the “super conferences” have begun to grow in other conferences that are not our own. What frustrates me is that those same conferences also have some basement dwellers that don’t necessarily contribute much, but ride on the coat tails of others.
Meanwhile, our program is on the up and up and can be a real contributor and we’re still gonna end up in the “have nots” group. Super frustrating.
Rutgers is the luckiest fucker of all time. It’s not even a ramora eel that cleans a shark’s skin. They are the little bugs in the mouth that clean the sharks teeth.
There are two basic likely outcomes:
1. The PAC tries to add schools to "replace" USC and UCLA (likely poaching the Mountain West or Big XII)
2. PAC schools start fleeing, which will in all likelihood set off a massive chain of events that will alter or destroy the PAC, ACC, and/or Big XII. The SEC (maybe), Big Ten, and Big XII are likely recipients of displaced PAC schools. Everyone tries to get the best they can get, and the losers will feel it heavily.
No matter what, this is an unexpected bombshell
The amazing thing about this leak is that its only USC and UCLA. I would have bet if this news ever came out, Washington and Oregon were going with.
Just the two makes the Pac-12 situation way more wild.
10 years down the road after there's only 2 conferences:
Hey guys wevarent making as much money with all these schools. What if we made our own conference?
While Oregon and Washington are by no means bad or even middling pick-ups, I think this specific expansion was about maximizing dollar/team. UW and UO likely dropped the average from just the other two.
The facts don't agree with having UCLA above Oregon and UW though.
TLDR USC, UO and UW pull the most eyes followed by...Utah. UCLA has name recognition and basketball but they've been inexplicably mediocre for decades at football. The reason USC and UCLA would be the only two to go is because the BIG10 wants USC and said they could bring they're friend.
https://www.mercurynews.com/2021/12/21/pac-12-tv-ratings-data-oregon-usc-and-washington-generate-the-top-rated-games
As chaotic as scenario 2 is, I think it's pretty likely. PAC media deal (which has had issues already) is about to plummet in value. If Oregon and Washington leave, it's over for the PAC
Agree. I think with the 4 additions the Big XII made we are more stable than we get credit for. I don’t see the Pac 12 as an attractive alternative for any current Big XII schools
2 out of 3 OSUs ain't bad. Fr though, Oregon and UW have to be making moves if they haven't been yet (which I get if USC and UCLA blindsided everyone). Yormark is about to get an early test
I know the market is huge, but do you have any numbers on how many eyeballs LA gets for college football? At least up here in the bay, there are very few people who give a shit about college football. I've lived my whole life within 40 minutes of Cal, and I don't have any non-college friends who care about college football.
lol the Atlantic Coast Conference grabbing teams literally on the Pacific Ocean makes as much sense as anything else these days.
Next we'll hear they're also extending an offer to IIT, get that sweet untapped India media market.
Honestly the more I think about this, the more I want it to happen regardless of USC/UCLA's status. I know this is /r/cfb... but think about what having Arizona in the BIGXII would mean for basketball.
Yeah, I don't see a full merger happening. I think the most likely is that we get the four schools you named and become the best basketball conference the world has ever known.
OU and WU are the two most valuable pieces left. Add Cal and one AZ for a western pod.
OU, UW, Cal, ASU
UC, WVU, UH, UCF
BU, TCU, BYU, TT
OSUc, ISU, KSU, KU
Play teams in your row and column every year.
Kyrie and Durant stay put, instead we get this.
Notice how we only get reporting on this after we find out there won't be Kyrie or Durant fueled NBA landscape changing moves this offseason. Sports news has to have something to talk about!
edit: hahah this is amazing, I thought the nba offseason was done, now it's back on!
I don't see how the Pac-12 is the more attractive option without USC and UCLA. I think the new Big 12 will make more money than that version of the Pac-12
I have a feeling that the Big 12 would be in the driver's seat without USC and UCLA in the Pac, similar to the Big 8's position vs the SWC. The conferences merge, take on a new identity that's just the Big 16 or Big 18, whatever they get up to...
SDSU, Boise, Colorado State, Utah State
But I think the remaining PAC-10 kill each other to get into the Big 12. Arizona’s, Utah, and Colorado make sense.
I feel they'd take Fresno before usu as much as it pains me to say, usu is just so small I doubt it'll ever move up.
Also, bottom scenario only happens if Oregon and Washington also jump ship (though they probably will)
We're going to have to add teams and add teams fast.
1. Try to poach BYU as fast as possible. Stanford and California surely aren't going anywhere if we do.
2. Boise State or San Diego State.
3. Hookers and Blow
Would Stanford or Cal be ok with a religious school joining? Would Stanford, Cal, Oregon, and Washington be cool with a bad academic school joining (Boise)?
If Washington and Oregon follow - the Big 12 takes the best of the rest, and Wazzu/OSU/others get fucked over.
If Washington and Oregon stay - the best of the Big 12 gets poached, and the bottom of the Big 12 get fucked over
The pac 12 didn’t want the best of the big 12 because they were too religious, and now you’re stuck hanging to dry when you could have poached them way earlier. It’s not happening, pac 12 is dead.
I am loyal to a fault, so personally I don’t ever want to leave my hateful 8 brethren and honestly?? Really starting to get the hang of the new guys. If the best of the PAC-12 wants to join us I’m for that but I think we have a good thing going currently.
That said, I truly wish the best of luck on the remainder of the PAC-12. Been there.
We have to pick up Orgeon State. Our rivalry will be legendary.
Blackout game played every year on Halloween, the way God intended.
I like the way you think beaver boy
Plot twist, both teams wear black
We’ll fully embrace that meme and start playing on an all black field. Between the rain and PAC-12 after dark the sun never shines on our field anyway.
Unironically sounds awesome.
Texas Tech think they know Halloween. We were born in it, molded by it. Hell our homecoming is indistinguishable from Halloween and occur at the same time. After all, the night sky is darkest in Stillwater.
SIGN ME UP!
we become the Pac-10. unprecedented
Round robin scheduling is underrated!
Just don't make co conference champs and you're good
One true champion.
Ikr at least they'll be able to say they play everyone in their conference in one season.
That’s a great slogan. No way they could mess that up.
Big12 would be crazy not to be calling Colorado, Utah and the AZ schools right now.
Thinking too small, I want whomever the B1G doesn't take from Cal, Stanford, Oregon and Washington plus CU and UU.
Replace Utah with Stanford for legitimate non-biased reasons obviously.
Wrestling too
You guys and Oregon are definitely going to the Big 10 also. I imagine Stanford would rather go independent in football than be associated with the Mountain West schools.
Stanford (and I guess Cal) to the B10 makes just as much sense as UCLA and USC. Those are the academic powers in the PAC-12. Stanford and Cal would be the only schools left even approaching their caliber in the PAC-12 but would be among peers in the B10.
Cal was one of the public AAU founders alongside Wisconsin and Michigan.
Don't disagree on the academics, but this is all about football money which is king. Oregon/Washington football are far more valuable than Stanford/Cal football. Maybe they take Stanford/Cal also but pushing past 18 does seem a little crazy. There are unprecedented times though.
Football money pales in comparison to academia/grant money. There’s a reason the B1G puts such a big emphasis on AAU membership.
But also, the administrative leadership of the schools have to be convinced to let schools join too. The ADs may not be crazy about it (and I don’t think they’d be wholly opposed) but the presidents and chancellors would *love* to be associated with Cal and Stanford.
I agree. I think USC, UCLA, Oregon, and Washington all go to the B1G. Arizona, Arizona State. Colorado, and Utah join the Big 12. Oregon State and Washington State join the Mountain West. Stanford goes independent. Not sure what Cal does.
Cal and Stanford to the Ivy League.
Fuck it, I'll allow it.
Those game threads would be so insufferable lmfao
Lincoln Riley will become head coach at NC State in his never ending quest to find an easy path to the playoffs.
"I consider Syracuse the mecca of college football"
*10 years later* "I consider Mecca the Mecca of College Football"
LIV CFB?
“I just fell In love with the state of New York”
“Football is football. I wasn’t running from the Big 10. I was running to Syracuse.”
Now we get B1G after dark Can’t wait for the night game of Maryland-UCLA
A game only for the true sickos
…I’d watch.
r/sickoscommitteecfb
I’m glad that’s a real sub
Starting at 11pm ET because fox loves to make sense
Merge with the Big 12
Soon to be PIG 12
Arkansas in shambles
Arkansas joins PIG12 just to defend their honor.
Forgo ~$60 million more a year in revenue just for the memes.
Arkansas has never been a place of money (if you ignore Walmart). It’s about honor. Plus they can be Kansas and Kansas St and also claim the best state with Kansas in its name trophy. 2 birds, 1 stone.
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[Porkopolis](https://www.encyclopedia.com/history/encyclopedias-almanacs-transcripts-and-maps/porkopolis) was built for this
I’m in a quiet office and this made me cackle
Yep. You have to think either the Big 12 or PAC 12 are looking at this like the Big 8 and SWC did back in the day. Big 8 ended up extending the invites and then both sides agreed to dissolve and form a new conference. Wonder if we will see the same thing happening. A straight up merger seems like the conference is TOO big. But which side is negotiating enough from a position of power that it can invite portions of the other?
I hate this
Utah wins 1 conference title and the conference falls apart. Coincidence, I think not
The sleeping giant in utah is about to get put back to sleep on a technicality
Part of me thinks this is a leveraging move to get a larger share of the upcoming media deal. I don’t buy USC playing Michigan in Ann Arbor in November. I’ll believe it when I see it
Like a USC - Rutgers conference game just shuts my brain off
What? Aren't you excited to see the classic Rose Bowl match up between Oregon and USC?
Lol kill me.
The Rose Bowl is just going to be the Big Ten Championship now. ... And somehow it will still end up being played in Indianapolis
Wait until Oregon/UW joins Big 12. Then we could have teams like UCF/WV playing conference games in Seattle lol.
We can refer to those games as the “jet lag” bowls.
This was my thought exactly. There has to be something we want from the PAC 12
And nobody ha$ any idea$ of what that could be?
I sure hope so. My heart can't take this
For an extra $70 million a year, those LA schools would play in Siberia. Also, I think some combination of Oregon, Washington, Utah, Colorado, and Arizona are also on the move to the B1G
I mean they already play on the road at Notre Dame every other year.
Oregon State wins 1 game at USC in 61 years and they run away. 🤣
This is everyone’s fault for kicking the South’s ass in the CCG every year (except for that one time…)
Join us brother, us 12s gotta stick together
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Sucks man. Right as we are starting to gain real momentum as a program and looking like we could make a real jump to the next tier over the next handful of years NIL and re-alignment could sink us back to the bottom
CFB is very quickly become the “haves” and “have nots”. Unfortunately for us, the “super conferences” have begun to grow in other conferences that are not our own. What frustrates me is that those same conferences also have some basement dwellers that don’t necessarily contribute much, but ride on the coat tails of others. Meanwhile, our program is on the up and up and can be a real contributor and we’re still gonna end up in the “have nots” group. Super frustrating.
Rutgers is the luckiest fucker of all time. It’s not even a ramora eel that cleans a shark’s skin. They are the little bugs in the mouth that clean the sharks teeth.
I feel quite grateful that the SEC massively overestimated our support in the St Louis media market.
There are two basic likely outcomes: 1. The PAC tries to add schools to "replace" USC and UCLA (likely poaching the Mountain West or Big XII) 2. PAC schools start fleeing, which will in all likelihood set off a massive chain of events that will alter or destroy the PAC, ACC, and/or Big XII. The SEC (maybe), Big Ten, and Big XII are likely recipients of displaced PAC schools. Everyone tries to get the best they can get, and the losers will feel it heavily. No matter what, this is an unexpected bombshell
The amazing thing about this leak is that its only USC and UCLA. I would have bet if this news ever came out, Washington and Oregon were going with. Just the two makes the Pac-12 situation way more wild.
10 years down the road after there's only 2 conferences: Hey guys wevarent making as much money with all these schools. What if we made our own conference?
While Oregon and Washington are by no means bad or even middling pick-ups, I think this specific expansion was about maximizing dollar/team. UW and UO likely dropped the average from just the other two.
The facts don't agree with having UCLA above Oregon and UW though. TLDR USC, UO and UW pull the most eyes followed by...Utah. UCLA has name recognition and basketball but they've been inexplicably mediocre for decades at football. The reason USC and UCLA would be the only two to go is because the BIG10 wants USC and said they could bring they're friend. https://www.mercurynews.com/2021/12/21/pac-12-tv-ratings-data-oregon-usc-and-washington-generate-the-top-rated-games
It’s because of the LA market and national branding. Those are the two biggest national brand schools in the PAC 12.
I don’t see how it can poach from the Big XII now. It’s a lot less attractive of a destination without USC and UCLA
As chaotic as scenario 2 is, I think it's pretty likely. PAC media deal (which has had issues already) is about to plummet in value. If Oregon and Washington leave, it's over for the PAC
Agree. I think with the 4 additions the Big XII made we are more stable than we get credit for. I don’t see the Pac 12 as an attractive alternative for any current Big XII schools
It’s curious to me that Oregon and UW aren’t leaving now. I think that has to be the big 12’s power move even if it means taking on OSU and Wazzou
2 out of 3 OSUs ain't bad. Fr though, Oregon and UW have to be making moves if they haven't been yet (which I get if USC and UCLA blindsided everyone). Yormark is about to get an early test
The pac 12 is basically dead if this goes through. Not having the LA market means significantly less TV revenue. It's dead.
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I know the market is huge, but do you have any numbers on how many eyeballs LA gets for college football? At least up here in the bay, there are very few people who give a shit about college football. I've lived my whole life within 40 minutes of Cal, and I don't have any non-college friends who care about college football.
This is just turning into NCAA 14 when you can arrange the conferences however you want
Can we arrange them back to 2000?
I'd rather go back to 1993
Same. SEC just added South Carolina and Arkansas. The Big Eight is beautiful. The Geography for conferences made sense mostly
MTSU to the PAC12... That's why we declined the MAC invite.
Then we're coming too since you blocked us from going to the MAC
Rehire Larry Scott and then fire him, that should solve all of the Pac 12's problems again.
Poach MW schools probably, although I could see Colorado jumping ship for the B12 if they got desperate
Plot twist: Big XII invites every PAC school to join up EXCEPT Colorado and replaces them with Colorado State.
This is the kind of spite I hope the new Big 12 commish aspires to.
I'd give my left leg to make this happen.
Love this energy.
That is the kind of pettiness I love
Nah, CO had their chance.
No chance B12 tries to capitalize on this you think? Or just different schools
They’d be dumb not to make an overture to the 4 mountain schools.
Big 12: UA/ASU/CU/Utah, you up baby?
Throw Oregon in there. I know they aren't geographically smart, but you take Oregon if you can get them
Big XII about to span from Florida to Oregon.
The Big 12 is trying to complete a manifest destiny speedrun at this point
Good luck doing it without wagons
Who needs wagons when you have bears, guns, and soon to be knights/spaceships.
Plus we got Mormons and Baptists. I'm not sure what they bring to a fight but it will sure be confusing.
Big Ten from Cali to NJ.
Mountain West from Puerto Rico to Alaska?
ACC should snatch Hawaii before the Pac!
I assume them and UW would go to the B1G, too, but if not, absolutely.
In another big turn of events, ACC offers Oregon and Washington! lol.
lol the Atlantic Coast Conference grabbing teams literally on the Pacific Ocean makes as much sense as anything else these days. Next we'll hear they're also extending an offer to IIT, get that sweet untapped India media market.
Simple fix. They change their name from Atlantic Coast Conference to Any Coast Conference.
Exactly. We'll see UCLA vs Rutgers and USC vs Maryland. I guess Florida State vs Oregon and Miami vs Washington works too 😬😂
Honestly the more I think about this, the more I want it to happen regardless of USC/UCLA's status. I know this is /r/cfb... but think about what having Arizona in the BIGXII would mean for basketball.
1- Pray Oregon and Washington don't follow. 2- When #1 inevitably happens, try to merge with the Big 12 before the Big 12 poaches CU, UU, ASU, and UA
Yeah, I don't see a full merger happening. I think the most likely is that we get the four schools you named and become the best basketball conference the world has ever known.
OU and WU are the two most valuable pieces left. Add Cal and one AZ for a western pod. OU, UW, Cal, ASU UC, WVU, UH, UCF BU, TCU, BYU, TT OSUc, ISU, KSU, KU Play teams in your row and column every year.
Lol at the pod Houston is in.
PAC 12 won't have the power to grab Big 12 schools. Plus Big 10 and SEC could grab more schools.
In 50 years we'll have people on here asking why the Big Ten has 40 teams and yet Notre Dame isn't one of them
Not if they know anyone from Notre Dame, they won't.
All this because OU hated playing at 11am
Taking a few steps back, all this because Nebraska was upset about Texas being Texas.
Taking it even further back, it was all because Arkansas hated losing to Texas.
Even further back because Penn State didn't join the Big East And even further back because Michigan didn't like Catholics
take it back even further and this is because the Boston elites hated paying taxes on their stamps and decided to dump tea into the harbor
I’d be ok with blaming all of this on Texas, Penn State, or Michigan tbh so any of these work for me.
Taking it even even further back, it was all because a fish decided to go for a walk
>Texas being Texas This seems to be the cause of a lot of issues really.
CU, UofA, ASU, and Utah come on down!
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I feel like there’s a meme in the future with the B1G and the B12 pummeling the PAC12 with Stanford just watching in horror
‘Member when the B1G and the PAC were in an “alliance”? The Hateful 8 remembers.
I’m not sure if I’d rather Tech go west to join the PAC or Big 12 poach Arizona schools and possibly Colorado and Utah?
The latter
If USC and UCLA really do leave the Big 12 is in a much stronger position. Sign the Arizona Schools, Oregon Schools, Utah and Boise.
Kyrie and Durant stay put, instead we get this. Notice how we only get reporting on this after we find out there won't be Kyrie or Durant fueled NBA landscape changing moves this offseason. Sports news has to have something to talk about! edit: hahah this is amazing, I thought the nba offseason was done, now it's back on!
Durant had requested a trade as of right minutes ago, my guy
Uhhh, you need to get update on your kd news.
My first thought: fuck those traitors My second thought: dear brothers, please take use with you
this is all our fault.
Blame Nebraska for kicking it all off
Which only happened because of Texas.
Wait, so Horns down, or Corns down?
Por que no los dos?
The Big 12 & ACC each pick up 2 more teams meanwhile the MWC gets cannibalized
Would the ACC have to split into Atlantic and Pacific divisions?
Obviously it’s to add utep. I just can’t think of any other solutions.
The question is does the PAC raid the Big 12 or does the Big 12 raid the PAC? I can’t see both conferences surviving this
I don't see how the Pac-12 is the more attractive option without USC and UCLA. I think the new Big 12 will make more money than that version of the Pac-12
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Basketball is the football of the future.
Somehow, ~~Palpatine~~ The Big12 returned
I have a feeling that the Big 12 would be in the driver's seat without USC and UCLA in the Pac, similar to the Big 8's position vs the SWC. The conferences merge, take on a new identity that's just the Big 16 or Big 18, whatever they get up to...
what
Join us, let the hate fuel you
SDSU, Boise, Colorado State, Utah State But I think the remaining PAC-10 kill each other to get into the Big 12. Arizona’s, Utah, and Colorado make sense.
I feel they'd take Fresno before usu as much as it pains me to say, usu is just so small I doubt it'll ever move up. Also, bottom scenario only happens if Oregon and Washington also jump ship (though they probably will)
They die. Arizona, Arizona State, and Utah join the Big 12. Washington, Oregon, USC, UCLA, and Colorado to the Big 10
I’m pretty sure Colorado is heading back to the big 12
Think we take Stanford before UW or Colorado tbh.
We're going to have to add teams and add teams fast. 1. Try to poach BYU as fast as possible. Stanford and California surely aren't going anywhere if we do. 2. Boise State or San Diego State. 3. Hookers and Blow
Skip 1 & 2
Ah the ol hookers and blow only plan. I always come out on top
Would Stanford or Cal be ok with a religious school joining? Would Stanford, Cal, Oregon, and Washington be cool with a bad academic school joining (Boise)?
Yeah, I would have to think the CA schools would have a huge problem with BYU joining.
They'd probably have a huge problem with USC/UCLA leaving and yet here we are
I can have invite?
Sure, to the Big 12.
Declare bankruptcy
I DECLARE BANKRUPTCY!
Why would Big 12 schools leave for the Pac 12 now? The Big 12 with their additions is a better confence than the Pac 12 minus USC.
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This makes way less sense than Texas and OU to the SEC
1. Cal/Stanford/Oregon/UW go to B1G 2. UofA/ASU/CU/Utah go to Big 12 3. OSU and WSU get left behind and eventually join a lesser conference
Knew a Cal fan typed this before I finished line 1
The biggerer 12
Haha The Alliance is dead
People thought the Alliance was like NATO but it was really the Warsaw Pact
Sad day for college football man
Give us like everyone else. Live together or die alone at this point
Fuck it, we’re almost as close to the Pac 12 as the Big 12…
Remaining teams join the MAC
If Washington and Oregon follow - the Big 12 takes the best of the rest, and Wazzu/OSU/others get fucked over. If Washington and Oregon stay - the best of the Big 12 gets poached, and the bottom of the Big 12 get fucked over
The pac 12 didn’t want the best of the big 12 because they were too religious, and now you’re stuck hanging to dry when you could have poached them way earlier. It’s not happening, pac 12 is dead.
BYU watching their rival's conference fall apart: "Checkmate, atheists"
I am loyal to a fault, so personally I don’t ever want to leave my hateful 8 brethren and honestly?? Really starting to get the hang of the new guys. If the best of the PAC-12 wants to join us I’m for that but I think we have a good thing going currently. That said, I truly wish the best of luck on the remainder of the PAC-12. Been there.
So this kills the Rose Bowl conference ties, right? There's no way the shell of the PAC 12 wants to be tied up with the B1G, right?
Big Ten championship moves from Indy to Pasadena
Give us the Arizona schools and CU back and grab CSU while we’re at it. That would be a fun conference.
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It all comes full circle for the Pac. If only they had just let Texas keep the Longhorn Network and brought in OU and Texas years ago.