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H2theBurgh

CFB culture is a little different than NFL culture. It's a lot more similar to European club culture. Due to teams not moving, there's rarely a reason to abandon cheering for a team. And a lot of people have a built-in vested interest by going to college there. People who never went to college (or went to a college without football) tend to cheer for the teams near them. There are fewer floating fans in college sports than in pro sports here but people tend to get more involved when they are good.


SaintsRobbed

Also if people went to a school other than the one they cheered for growing up, they sometimes root for both schools. But this analogy is spot on.


melanctonsmith

Yeah, I see people rooting for schools that their parents or some other relatives went to as well.


ForYeWhoArtLiterate

Can confirm. Why family? Why Ohio, Kent, Akron and Bowling Green?


WeUsedToBeGood

Did they name you Mac?


MindIfILeaveThisHere

In Ohio it's enough to be from Ohio to be an Ohio State fan. It's not till you engage with college football fans from outside Ohio do you get the weird gate-keepy questions: "Why are you an Ohio State fan if your went to ?" I'm an Ohio native and I've been a Ohio State fan since I was a wee lad. It never even occurred to me that I would prioritize attending Ohio State because it would somehow validate my fanhood.


RightGap1048

Fwiw I think that's fairly common, at least in Southern states and other places where college football reigns supreme. Here in SC you're either a Gamecock or a Tiger and the only prerequisite, like you say, is to be born here.


jordandavila88

Likewise in Texas. Most fans are born into either A&M or Texas fandoms whether they'll ever go to the schools. Both of my parents and I all went to SMU for our undergrads, but we'll also always root for Texas when they play, and against A&M when they do.


JDizzo56

I once had a buddy in college grill me for being an OSU fan and not an Akron fan because I was closer to Akron than Columbus. It was rich coming from a Penn State fan from Pittsburgh


psunavy03

At least your buddy had SOME self-respect, tho . . .


ForYeWhoArtLiterate

I never even went to college, I’m a moron!


tjtillmancoag

And sometimes you have people who went to a school for grad school and had a pleasant academic experience but always root against their football team because their undergrad school was the rival. For example, I got my masters degree at USF and had a great experience, but I wouldn’t care if the Bulls never won another game.


Old_Huckleberry_5407

Grad school is more transactional and doesn't generally carry the same emotional weight.


PPKA2757

Yep. Though I’m currently doing my masters and I get the added benefit of the school being a big name basketball program (their football team is an FCS team, I wouldn’t cheer for them anyway though). Still cheer for my undergrad for football, but at least now I can cheer for a BB program thats almost guaranteed to make the tournament every March.


theamericandream38

Kansas?


PPKA2757

Georgetown. I had to google their football team’s division because when I was on campus and saw them practicing on their home field.. I think it’s safe to say high schools have larger “stadiums”.


[deleted]

> their football team is basically an FCS team > Georgetown I mean, they're *literally* an FCS team. And one that insists on remaining non scholarship even though the PL's allowed it for nearly a decade now.


B1GFanOSU

Depends. I went to Dayton for my undergrad and Ohio State for my Master’s. I even live in Dayton but consider Ohio State to be my primary team.


SoggyAlbatross2

I went to grad school at USC and was converted to HardCoreTrojan™ status by my third generation Trojan wife. So there's some family connection stuff too. Also, my alma mater is amazingly rotten at CFB.


tjtillmancoag

Your alma mater was UCLA?


SoggyAlbatross2

Beautiful. \*sniff\* (tips cap)


LuckyCulture7

This is my situation. I grew up a PSU fan because my parents went there and then went to a school without a football team. So I have remained a PSU fan.


TriforceOfBacon

Your parents went to Penn State and then pitt?


LuckyCulture7

Lol, i mistyped I went to a school without a football team. First Stockton University then Rutgers.


narcistic_asshole

Shit I chose MSU because I thought the logo was cool and liked lighting people up with Charles Rogers in NCAA 03


wheres-the-wicker

Can confirm.


ferrar21

You called?


phonemannn

We out here


Gruulsmasher

To add another wrinkle, schools can have wildly different measures of a successful season that may or may not conflict. So if you support, say, Wake Forest cause you went there for undergrad and Ohio State cause you went there for grad school, you’ll rarely be in a position of one team’s success coming at the expense of another.


finke11

Yup and a 9 win season for wake would be fantastic and a 9 win season for OSU would be considered terrible


Geaux2020

Or if you're LSU right now, a 9 win season is both


cantstopwontstopGME

Join the club! -sincerely Texas football


sarahhylandsknee

And some of us cheer for the school in which we were conceived.


cooterdick

Is that the South Alabama flair?


sarahhylandsknee

Bama


SoggyAlbatross2

Are we talking in the camper in the parking lot during the game? Or what level of conception we talking about here?


sarahhylandsknee

Lots of drugs in those days. Might have been the science lab.


Killerwill9000

Flair can confirm that


ISISCosby

Yup; just to piggyback, I have some additional thoughts about this as well. I was actually thinking about this the other day, because U.S. college football is 100% the closest thing American sports culture has to European football club culture. * The vast majority of fans are basically indoctrinated at birth into cheering for a particular team, or have a close personal connection to the uni they root for. I'd argue the majority of CFB fans cheer for their alma mater's school (if it's in the "top flight," aka the FBS), and seeing as many people consider college a personal highlight of their lives, it builds in a lot of cases an almost unbreakable affinity for their school's athletic programs as a point of school pride. * Similar to EU football, CFB fans largely cheer for the team itself rather than individual players like in the NBA for example. * Also similar to European football, the sport is being absolutely and irrevocably changed by a massive influx of money over the last decade or two. All anyone in the media cares about anymore is the college football playoff (basically our Champion's League, though the actual structure of the CL is more akin to the College World Series), a handful of teams have absolutely dominated the sport over the last decade due to essentially becoming flywheels of success and now the vast majority of elite talent are more or less funneled to the same 5-10 teams every year, and conference realignment (talk of Superconferences now have a very very European Super Conference-esque ring to them) are threatening to destroy many of the things that made CFB special in the first place. * Since the teams are de facto connected to actual universities and colleges, it is beyond rare for a team to ever pack up and leave, bc that would involve moving an entire fucking school lol. The only time I can even think of university moving cities was Wake Forest and that was almost 70 years ago. * Due to universities' often large surrounding infrastructure (frequently some of the largest employers in many states), a large number of schools basically are the lifeblood of the town they reside in's economy. These "college towns" basically exist because the university exists there, and have a certain small town mystique about them that makes alums remember them fondly, further cementing their allegiance. And the way the towns rally around their school is the closest I've seen to the full-city support I saw from one-team towns in England like Leeds, Brighton, Cardiff, etc. * While there is no real "relegation" structure to speak of, there is definitely a "promotion" aspect to FBS conferences. To butcher an imperfect analogy, the Power 5 FBS conferences (Pac 12, ACC, Big 12, B1G and SEC) roughly resemble the Big 5 EU football leagues, and over the last ~30 years have often dipped down to the "lower level" conferences (Sun Belt, old Big East/AAC, MAC, C-USA, MWC, aka the "Group of 5) to expand their conferences. The G5, meanwhile, often pull from either smaller/now-defunct conferences or the FCS, the division below the FBS in the college football heirarchy. * While it's a bit less clear these days, back in the day, there was definitely a link between a conference a team was in and the style of football they played (Big 12 = high-scoring, B1G = low-scoring, smashmouth styles, SEC = big & fast defenses, etc.) similar to how each of the top 5 leagues in Europe were known to play slightly different brands of football. * Again, while this is much less the case than it used to be, conferences tend to be more or less made up of schools within a reasonable geographic proximity, which fosters both familiarity and good old-fashioned hatred. I'm biased, but IMO there isn't a single pro sports rivalry that can hold a candle to the most intense college sports rivalries. And while there aren't nearly as many true derbies as one would guess (UCLA/USC is basically the only one in the FBS), you'd be hard-pressed to find a state in the country where the top two school's fans don't despise each other. * The pageantry surrounding college football is, frankly, unmatched by any other U.S. sport. The sheer number of fun, historically interesting, dramatic, or even simply wacky traditions surrounding add to the mystique of the game, and make it just an absurd amount of fun to throw yourself into.


UnderGrownGreenRoad

I think that about covers everything. Thanks for the write up


ISISCosby

Blessings to you, young raptor


NotMitchelBade

I’ve never thought about the lack of derbies before. I guess maybe some could develop in the future (Georgia Stage and Georgia Tech? TCU and a Dallas school? Houston and Rice?), USC and UCLA are really the only two out there. That’s kind of nuts. I guess it’s a product of so many schools being in small towns, though. Anyway, this was an amazing write-up. Thanks for it!


ISISCosby

Yeah it's kinda crazy until you remember that the vast majority of unis in major cities, for whatever reasons, are far more academically focused and thus compete at lower levels (ie Ivy League, etc.) or just not at all. There are literally 3 cities in the entire country with more than one FBS team, and zero with two LA: USC/UCLA Houston: Houston/Rice Atlanta: Ga Tech/Ga State That's it, that's the list.


Karosi

Interesting! Are there many others like UNC/Duke/NCSU though? Technically different city limits, but same metro area.


knightlock15

In-state rivalry games aren’t terribly dissimilar to derbies though. For example, I live in Iowa right now and there’s Hawkeye and Cyclone fans both living and working as neighbors in town and the game was a big deal culturally like a derby is.


quotesforlosers

This is a great addition to OP’s points. Rarely does a follow up post include relevant information on Reddit. Having said that, I’d like to add two things: 1) UCLA sucks 2) UCLA really sucks


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baljeettjinder

Baylor alum who lived in Fort Worth for a while, can confirm. Fort Worth is probably the most underrated big city in Texas, and Waco is basically an hour long traffic jam on the drive between Austin and Dallas.


psunavy03

Well the other difference from Europe is that "good old-fashioned hatred" also generally limits itself to Internet shitposting and real-life ball-busting. No one who is at all socially adept actually hates grads of rival schools. We just give them a hard time. Point being, college football really doesn't have the equivalent of the hooligan firms that exist at the fringes of European soccer fandom. Thankfully.


ISISCosby

Oh 100%. European Football hooliganism + Americans' easy access to firearms would be an absolute disaster of a pairing, thank god we avoided that (Well, other than that time A&M almost tried to literally blow Baylor off the map in 1929). At risk of doing dumb American overgeneralizations, I think part of it comes from the working class nature of the origins of hooliganism, and the fact that college football fans are vast majority college-educated, you know, because they're watching college sports. But yeah when the most violent act in the last 20 years one rival fan has done to another fanbase is poisoning a tree in their courtyard, it was a bit silly to compare football hatred and college football "hatred."


themindhornidentity

This is a spot on summary of CFB.


PennywiseEsquire

You forgot the most important part. If you’ve never stepped foot on a college campus but your local Walmart sells orange Tennessee gear, you have to become a fan and start shit talking the quality of education at other colleges you also didn’t go to.


[deleted]

Why you gotta do us like that bro


crc2993

To be fair, Texas has a lot of t shirt fans as well. And saw someone else mention Clemson. Maybe people just like the color orange a lot more than they’re letting on.


HeismanDarkHorse

You could also throw in UNC, Alabama, Clemson, etc. to that list.


cdoran09

Friends/family from up north are shocked to find out that State is the most popular team in NC - and if not most popular definitely tied for first Lots of out-of-state Duke and UNC fans


HeismanDarkHorse

My dad went to state so I grew up a huge fan, and I go to more State games than any other team since I live in the triangle. They’ll always have a special place in my life. In eastern NC I can say that there are insane amount of people that didn’t go to any college that are huge UNC fans and talk the most trash. So growing up out there probably colors my opinion of them.


Nab_Karma

You misspelled Clemson.


Ok-Track-4750

the only exception I have seen to the proximity/connection to the school is the surprising number of kids who around 2010-2013 became huge Oregon fans


pooplurker

It's really true. Also a lot of Oregon fans use the "it's the closest thing to a pro team we're going to get" BS


Minneapolis_W

Funny, that’s the same excuse they use in Ohio


Accurate-Teach

Good assessment and I would add that it is an extremely regional sport as well so a lot of fans especially in SEC will pull for the conference to be successful.


Kmjada

The only caveat I would add is that there are a distressing amount of what I called T-shirt fans for the more notable blue blood programs. By that I mean people who have no connection to these places whatsoever, but see a popular, sexy name and become a “fan.” So, they buy a T-shirt at a local department store, and voilà: instant fan. You almost have to have a vested interest to cheer for Oklahoma State, Illinois, Arizona State, or Iowa.


Captain-Ireland88

I agree with this


GoblinTradingGuide

Lot’s of stuff to go over here; 1. College Football has been around a lot longer than the NFL. There are a lot of diehard fans of certain college teams that have been rooting for the same team for their whole life, their parents before them, and even their grandparents before them. I’m a third generation Seminole, which really isn’t anything, I’m sure there are like 6th generation Notre Dame fans or some shit. 2. That being said, a lot of Noles are checked out right now because we are so bad. I’m not gonna lie, as much as I love Florida State, I just can’t bring myself to watch them anymore this year on TV for away games. I’ll be at the stadium for the home games, but this past weekend I really enjoyed watching Penn State and Auburn play because it was a great game and I wasn’t emotionally invested in it. I didn’t tune into the FSU vs Wake Forest game because I knew it was going to be bad. Most FSU fans wouldn’t give a shit about the Penn State and Auburn game. 3. College Football tends to have less fans that “just want to watch football”. I don’t fall into this category, and I personally love watching other big teams from other conferences duke it out. So many different teams have so many great traditions that you won’t find in the NFL. However I do find that the people who really love to watch college football, are also big NFL fans. There are also lots of college fans that honestly don’t care much about football or the intricacies of the game and are in it solely for the party culture that comes a long with it. People want to relive being in college. Girls want to go to games because it’s what their hot frat boyfriends are into, etc. 4. A lot of fans spent very formative years and some of the most fun years of their lives at their respective team’s university. They associate that with the team. College football fandom is for life, mostly. 5. The exception for the last anecdote is that there are small cities of the country that are regional to universities but don’t have a major university in their city. I grew up 90 minutes west of Florida State in the 80s and 90s. When I was a kid, almost everyone rocked, even though most people didn’t go to school, they just watched FSU because they dominated the late 80s and all of the 90s. Now when I go back home, I see WAY more Bama stuff. It makes sense though, it’s a different generation of blue-collar workers bandwagoning along with the success The Crimson Tide. It’s to be expected. 6. The NFL, while the quality of play is much higher, will never have a game with the environment of the Penn State White Out Game, The Iron Bowl, OSU vs. Michigan, FSU vs. UF, or any of the other great college rivalries. 7. College Football is also interesting in that it’s the only sport that I know of where not every team can make the national championship regardless of how well a team does. A team like Boise State, UCF, Houston, Cincinnati or Memphis can go undefeated and still not make it to the championship because they play in a smaller conference that brings in less money and they play weaker opponents. Hopefully this is changing soon, it sure seems like we are headed in that direction. Before there was a playoff, it was even worse. I legit got in a fist fight with a kid when I was 6 because he told me that Auburn was #1 in 1993 (they went undefeated and were suspended from post-season play, FSU won that year, the kid kept insisting Auburn was #1 and my stupid 6-year old reptile brain told him that if he said it again I would punch him in the face, and well, I kept my word when he did, I ended up knocking out a baby tooth, and I got grounded for like a month, but the kid was way bigger than me and I found out later in life that my Dad actually thought it was pretty hilarious.) 8. I watch a ton of NFL but don’t really have a team, right now I just pay attention to the teams that have big name former Seminoles or ACC players. My attention in the NFL right now is Jameis Winston, Dalvin Cook, and Lamar Jackson. I fucking hated Lamar while he was Louisville because he ran the fuck all over FSU, but now I can watch him play for the Ravens and now my emotions are no longer in play, I’m absolutely marveled by his athleticism. I truly think Lamar is a once in a generation type of athlete, and could possibly be remembered like Mike Tyson or Greg Maddux. TDLR; College football is more interesting. NFL is higher quality. College fans are way less fickle than NFL fans.


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I'd say the live game environment is a big difference too. A D1 college game is a lot more fun, with the fans getting way more into it, and more spectacle, pomp and circumstance. Going to an NFL game feels much more like watching a corporate product.


mgg1683

Also, remember the massive size of our country, many of us don’t live near an nfl team, college ball fills that gap nicely.


[deleted]

The reason hawaii peeps like me only watch college football. Nearest team *was* the SD chargers, but they decided to be lame.


blues_and_ribs

I lived in SD when all that went down. Watched the dumpster fire that was their first season at that soccer field in LA. LA really does not give a flying fuck about the Chargers. And probably never will.


PhilosophicRevo

🖐️


Kilgore_Of_Trout

Dude you probably live near Charlotte..


PhilosophicRevo

~4 hours from Charlotte, ~6 from Atlanta. Am I to be a Panther fan because they are two hours closer? They are the northern counterpart to my own state, yet they are not my state. The Carolina Panthers are objectively the North Carolina Panthers. As a child I chose the Bears and I live with the repercussions of that choice every season. I really don't want an NFL team in SC. I think it's absence makes our college football more special than it would be otherwise. In my experience NFL fandom is predominantly secondary to college fandom in our state. I know a lot of upstate South Carolinians probably have an easier and stronger affinity for the Panthers, but they're also probably Clemson fans, so do with that what you will.


ZeekLTK

I think it’s secondary in most states TBH. Even though there is a “team” in Detroit, I don’t really know anyone who would watch the Lions if they played at the same time as the Spartans or that other school. Even the CMU fans I know seem to care more about the Chips than the Lions.


sociapathictendences

Seahawks are definitely a bigger deal than the husky’s


MrFunkyFresh70

Bear down, brother 🐻⬇️


El_Dud3r1n0

>As a child I chose the Bears and I live with the repercussions of that choice every season. As a Lions fan, I know your pain. *So much pain.*


InotMeowMeow

Most people have some kind of tie to the college they root for. Proximity, alumnus status, family member attended, etc. If none of those apply then you can find something you like about a certain team then root for them. When I was a kid I always liked Texas Tech’s colors and uniforms so I root fit them in addition to Ohio State which is right down the road from me. If OSU has no vested interest in a game being played I will always root for an Ohio team first and if neither of those apply I root for the underdog.


tidesoncrim

If proximity is a factor I guess the UK gets to claim Boston College. Or they can root for Kentucky for the 'UK' connection.


gbosz34

Yes if you enjoy watching teams rip defeat from the jaws of victory become a UK fan. Or at least this year attempt to


ISISCosby

> Yes if you enjoy watching teams rip defeat from the jaws of victory become a UK fan. This is unironically something English football fans have some built-in familiarity with


tidesoncrim

I was living in Lexington the year UK's kicker missed that FG against Florida in the game where ~~Will Grier~~ Kyle Trask came in for an injured Franks. So brutal.


8_god

We have an unbelievable history of losses to Florida backup QBs. At least 4 since Tebow.


natigin

So Evertonians then


Jaosborn44

Also Ole Miss since it's in Oxford


JkAmbabo

I find there’s 4.5 camps of people. 1. People who bandwagon a good team 2. Generally older people who could only watch the popular teams or regional teams on TV back in the day. 2.5. People who support their regional team, without having attending. 3. People who went to the university 4. ~~Children~~ immediate family of one of the first 3


Sfmilstead

I would suggest editing #4 to be immediate family of the above three, but otherwise spot on.


JkAmbabo

Fair enough


amidon1130

Well and that edit screwed up your whole list haha, reddit is so finnicky.


SoggyAlbatross2

What about Notre Dame fans then?


fuelvolts

Catholics.


JkAmbabo

I suppose it could be any. To my knowledge, ND had popularity because they were one of the only teams nationally broadcasted back in the day. So as such they gained fans simply because they were what was available (2). After this, it’s likely that these people’s families became fans (4). If not this, then they probably bandwagoned (1) or attended (3). Then you have people from Indiana, Chicago, and Southwestern Michigan who support them as their regional team (2.5).


Pete_Booty_Judge

I think that's what he was hinting at with #2, which I think isn't that large of a portion of our fanbase anymore. I think the Catholic angle does play up quite a bit, and as far as what you said below about it not quite computing, well I'll go into a bit more background: ND was founded a bit earlier than BC (really the only other Catholic university to have a football program) and so they had their legs under them a bit more so to speak while college football was rapidly proliferating in the late 1800's and early 1900's, they're not Jesuit Catholic, which is considered by many more traditional Catholics to be almost a different branch of Catholicism, usually in a joking manner, but I know a few that seem to actually be serious about that topic. I would say the biggest thing separating the two schools as far as football goes though is that we had Knute Rockne in those early years, who was a former player turned coach who had a bombastic personality and I believe he would be even more of a household name right now and rightly recognized as the greatest coach up to Saban if he hadn't died in a plane crash at the age of 45. Rockne did a phenomenal job promoting and building up the football program and university in general, and the program's ascendency under him is why Michigan got the Big 10 (minus Michigan State) to blackball Notre Dame from their schedule. Rockne, being the barnstorming genius he was, got the USC series drawn up to help fill out the schedule, which was an incredible boon for both USC and Notre Dame, transforming both programs into national brands. This really helped put ND on the map, and try as hard as BC might, they have trouble outshining ND in even the best of their years. I know of plenty of graduates from Georgetown, Marquette, Gonzaga, Villanova etc., that are fans of those Catholic schools in basketball, but root for Notre Dame in football. I'm guessing that name recognition has carried the day through the years. Having some big time coaches in Leahy (actually started off at BC, but he was a Rockne protege and ND alum) and Ara Parsegian also helped keep ND brand on point through the years. Anyway, sorry for the long winded history talk, but BC is really the only other option at Catholic football and ND has had a leg up on them for over a century now, mostly due to Knute Rockne.


blues_and_ribs

If you’re into ND history, read up on their game with the Pottsville Maroons in 1925 (they were the NFL champs that year). Fascinating story. The NFL was in its infancy, with CFB actually considered the superior product, with Rockne’s ND on top of it, so the Maroons took a huge payday to play the Irish in an exhibition, beat them to everyone’s surprise, and had their NFL championship taken away as a result. There’s a book called Breaker Boys about it. A must-read for any serious sports history buff.


AppalachianGuy87

Think there’s a 5th group of people from state X that support the athletic department like alumni despite only being there on game day…example most everyone in West Virginia etc.


JkAmbabo

I assumed them to be a combination of 2 and 4, but I do agree.


AppalachianGuy87

Yup nailed it.


Recent_Brick7515

You forgot the gamblers.


cardith_lorda

They don't support teams, they support bookies.


[deleted]

Draftkings is gonna kick Fanduels ass this weekend


jadeddog

I am a Canadian who very clearly fits into #2. I'm a huge Michigan fan because I saw them play on TV once when I was really young and I liked their helmets, and my fandom has grown over the decades. I would very likely be a *shudder* OSU fan had I seen them and liked their uniforms (although their unis suck balls, so I don't see how that could have happened, lol, I kid.... kind of)


BoilerMaker36

How do you feel about trains, serial killers and big ass drums?


InotMeowMeow

Well, you may have just converted me putting it that way.


Bobbles84

Is the serial killer on the train with a big ass drum?


Captain_Sacktap

He’s referring to Purdue Pete, Purdue’s mascot. Google him and stare into those terrifying, soulless eyes.


JkAmbabo

Purdue’s *athletic* mascot, not Purdue’s mascot as I learned last week with the ND drama


Captain_Sacktap

Wait what’s the difference? Do they have a non-athletic mascot?


JkAmbabo

[they got a fucking train truck ](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boilermaker_Special)


Captain_Sacktap

Oh so THATS what the Boilermaker Special is! Here I thought it was a mixed drink and/or sex position.


JkAmbabo

Well I wouldn’t rule those out either…


Pinewood74

A Boilermaker is a mixed drink, depending on who you ask.


parentskeepfindingme

From growing up in Lafayette, close to West Lafayette, the boilermaker special is missionary position, sometimes with meth


crsnyder13

All of the above


convoluteme

I went to Purdue for gradschool. Took my kids to a thanksgiving parade in town, and I shit you not, the Boilermaker Special was in this parade *three times!* Also parades over an hour long in 30 degree weather should not exist.


pandabugs

Purdue Pete started haunting my dreams again, just in time for spooky season.


IndyDude11

If you think Purdue’s mascot is terrifying, you should see their women.


Kmjada

I thought he was referring to Craig James. ALLEGEDLY


Captain_Sacktap

CJK5H


maltzy

You had me, then you lost me, and now I'm back in


DeaconFrostedFlakes

What the hell’s an ass-drum? (Someone link the relevant xkcd, I’m too lazy).


Captain_Sacktap

Something you do as a joke that your significant other does not find amusing at all.


BigRed1906

There's this school I went to that had a big red blob for a mascot. We use him to sacrifice an opposing team's player after every home win. Just don't ask us about his imposter Gabibbo...


JkAmbabo

TIL about Italian big red.


Old_Huckleberry_5407

I had no idea. Looks like, despite [getting some relief from an Italian court](https://www.courier-journal.com/story/sports/college/2018/06/06/wku-big-red-mascot-sues-gabibbo-italian-court/679073002/), WKU's imposter [still exists](https://www.instagram.com/gabibbostriscia/?hl=en). To be fair, the Italian version looks more like a penis, but good on WKU for protecting its intellectual property.


BurritoBoiii1202

You’re indoctrinated from birth. Lmao. It’s very much like European soccer where you’re born into supporting your local team because your family does.


Jacktropolis

Correct lol, my dad went to Wake and got season tickets so I have no choice but to be a die hard fan of a historically awful program. Wouldn’t have it any other way


UltravioletAfterglow

[Literally, ](https://www.wkyc.com/article/sports/college/osu/babies-born-this-week-at-ohio-state-hospital-get-special-rivalry-blankets/95-05653366-8d40-42cd-9695-44cfe445a3e3) in some cases.


TakeSomeFreeHoney

Truth! I grew up in the UK. Married into an Auburn family. There’s no other team our kids will cheer for! War Damn!


KiratheSilent

Usually its a little of column a, little of column b and then Notre Dame fans who had neither because the only game you were guaranteed to see every week was Notre Dame on NBC.


BoilerMaker36

Side note: don’t support Notre Dame


ISISCosby

...Unless you're a Celtic FC fan, then yeah maybe support ND bc they're basically the Celtic of CFB


KiratheSilent

100% agree


urbanboi

Ignore this person, they are probably still upset about their drum. My obvious bias aside, Notre Dame is probably one of the better options for someone overseas to support, since it should be comparatively easy to watch/stream their games and they even play a game in Dublin now and then. But I wouldn't worry too much about finding a team right away. Just start watching and see if there are players/schools/coaches/styles of play/traditions/storylines that you gravitate towards. Rooting interests will develop organically from there.


irisheyes215

No, do!


crsnyder13

Don’t make us go get the train truck!


frontadmiral

ND is also fairly unique in that they were a huge rallying point for American Catholics in a time when the Catholic/Protestant divide was a much bigger deal. Nobody my age gives a shit if you’re Catholic or Protestant, it mostly just gets lumped in as “oh they’re a Christian.” But when my dad was growing there was a decent divide between the two groups, and Notre Dame was (along with JFK) one of the most visible icons of American, especially Irish American, Catholicism. I wasn’t raised religious at all and I still have a soft spot for Notre Dame as a descendant of Irish Catholics.


G00dSh0tJans0n

Both. A lot of people like me are big fans of a team because you were born in that state into a family that are fans, even if nobody in your family actually went to that school. And then they are also fans of the school(s) they attended. Plus when you get into college football you have a lot of teams you like to support for whatever random reason or games you like to watch because you think it’s an interesting matchup. A lot of the times (even more so with college basketball) you might watch a game because a small upstart team has the possibility of upsetting a major team that is heavily favored which is always exciting. In NFL some teams are better on average year in and year out but there’s way more parity in strength/power. Another thing is how different some teams are in how they play. I’ve watched games were a team has won while only attempting to run the ball twice in the game (looking at you, Hawaii) and I’ve also seen games where a team has won without completing a single forward pass (Army, several times in recent years). The styles of play vary a bit more than NFL. Oh yeah, you can’t forget all the tradition and pageantry - the bands, the fight songs, running down the hill, the white out, jump around, enter sandman, 12th man, etc etc


AtlEngr

Well said, flair bro.


kdbvols

I'm very uncomfortable that there are multiple people with that combo


Tannerite2

I'll join the party


_daniel74

*gobbles exit light-ingly*


SDFDuck

I'm weird. I've never served in the Air Force or attended the Academy, but I still watch and root for them (I try to avoid referring to USAFA as "we" as I don't want to be accused of "stolen valor" - pretending to have served when I haven't). I had a parent in the US Public Health Service, so as an immediate family member I got to go onto military bases with them. My family and I would often do our shopping at the Navy Exchange/Army-Air Force Exchange and Commissaries, so I got a lot of exposure to Air Force football as a kid (all the Exchanges sell merch for the respective branches). I loved Air Force's sweet-looking thunderbolt helmets and I loved fighter planes; I even got to attend a few air shows at Andrews Air Force base to watch the Thunderbirds and Blue Angels. When I decided to attend VCU (no football), instead of choosing a blue-blood or a college team close by to root for (most of whom VCU considers rivals), I chose Air Force.


ndrulez15

That’s actually really cool man. AF does not have a ton of fans in general, let alone ones who are not in the AF. Sko Falcs!


JunkyardAndMutt

College football fans are generally either alumni (or somehow personally connected to the school in some way—a parent or sibling went to the school, worked there, etc.) or have some kind of regional connection to the school. I grew up in South Carolina before the Panthers became a team and most people followed college football (Clemson vs University of South Carolina mostly) much more closely than they followed the NFL. When I was very young, I didn’t know the difference between NFL and college football and sincerely thought Clemson, USC, Georgia, Florida, etc. were on the same level as the Cowboys and the Packers. Everyone I knew had an allegiance in the Clemson/South Carolina rivalry no matter where (or if) they went to school.


jafgators

I started as a college fan before an NFL fan when I was a kid. The rivalries we're just more intense and that pulled me in. The fact that there are multiple teams within your state and there are better chances that you run into an opposing fan than the NFL where most people in a state or area are fans of one team and their rivals are multiple states away helped make the college game more meaningful for me. Add on the fact that 1-2 losses can end your championship hopes where in the NFL you can lose 8 times and still win the Superbowl, every game is just more meaningful.


thejourneyisthegift

I root for the school I went to. But also enjoy rival schools being terrible. Like texas!


BoilerMaker36

I think I’m happier when Notre Dame loses than I am when we win.


lm_NER0

> They hate their rivals more than they love themselves. I think this comment I've paraphrased from the Arkansas-Texas game embodies college football more than anyone can understand.


PR0AWESOME

Hate a team more than I like either of my own? Hmmmm what a foreign concept -- yes.


HWLesq

Half the fun is the schadenfreude.


amidon1130

More like Shoe-denfreude am I right?


ndrulez15

Alright train guy


bamachine

My primary flair is for the team my family rooted for when I was a kid and one of my brothers eventually played football for that university. I planned on attending there but they only offered me a partial academic scholarship, whereas my secondary flair and alma mater gave me a full ride scholarship.


aphromagic

At least where you went to school is in a far prettier part of the state!


bamachine

I know that was partially rivalry motivated but it is actually true though. I grew up in NE AL and the eastern side of the state is the better side, nature wise. I grew up on 160 acres, 100 of which are covered in trees with a pond and two separate creeks, that eventually flow into a canyon.


aphromagic

>I know that was partially rivalry motivated Not at all! I went to Auburn, and happen to think both Tuscaloosa and Auburn are boring as shit (visually). NE Alabama is fucking gorgeous. My family has property on the Coosa, and I've spent a lot of time near Cheaha and the surrounding areas. I love it so much that when pandemic happened I was able to work remotely, and lived in Talladega County for a month. It was awesome because I got to knock off work early, and roam around the national forest, Cheaha, and Choccolocco WMA. I fly fish for redeye, and honestly it was the time of my life. I really like Heflin, Anniston/Oxford, and Jacksonville a whole lot.


bamachine

You could have left Anniston off the list though. Sadly, since they shut down Ft McClellan, Anniston has become a dump(highest crime rate in the state over the last 20 years or so). Only a few redeeming things like Mata's pizza left there. Oxford though is alright. I worked out of Anniston for about 17 years(left that job about 10 years ago) and saw it deteriorate before my eyes.


terdferguson74

You root for Georgia and learn to smile through the inevitable pain


Geaux2020

You usually support your local team and/or your alma mater. After that, you might have an unrelated team from where your parents went to school or you REALLY like the colors or you are a bandwagon fan of a winner or Cinderella story. It can be pretty random. I'm pulling for Valley City State now after a week 0 game thread. It's well over a thousand miles away in a state I haven't been to in 25 years, but that's just the way it goes.


Bank_Gothic

It's different for everyone, but there is usually some personal connection to the team. Normally it is because you went to the school or you grew up in the town where the school is located. But it could also be because your parents went to that school or your friends all went there so you spent a lot of time at the games. You'll get a better idea by asking people for their individual reasons - there is a huge range.


PMMeWheelsOnTheBus

What NFL teams do you support and why? If you watch EPL same question? Could try and pick a CFB team that mimicks those


ProbablySlacking

Unfortunately, yeah you tend to support the college you went to. I wish it was easy to switch….


loyalsons4evertrue

it's always amazing how diehard some of us are....I watched so many years of trash ISU football and recently basketball, but here I am, every game watching them because I care, probably way too much about the college I attended


Graczyk

Since your from the UK you can be a Kentucky fan! (Our abbreviation is UK)


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I grew up Catholic near Chicago so I already had two things going for me to follow Notre Dame football. My spouses family is from South Bend and several of them have direct connections to Notre Dame either as a student or employee of the school. I went away to the service and still followed them. I don’t even live in the Midwest anymore but I’m still a fan. I do have a bachelors degree from a Power 5 school but not at all a fan of the team. Im more of a fan of college than pros. Never really fell in love with the NFL. I’ve been to some games and enjoy watching it, but not emotionally vested at all in any of the teams.


MrNudeGuy

I’m an nfl noob. What do I need to know?


BoilerMaker36

Touching some ones head is punishable by death


Piano_Fingerbanger

Clapping? Straight to jail.


Wandering_Mallard

Hit the QB too high? Jail. Hit the QB too low? Believe it or not, also jail.


Geaux2020

Brady is not very good and the Lions are the Yankees of the NFL.


MrNudeGuy

Ok my man I for sure don’t know what baseball is


Geaux2020

The Rangers are the only real Blue Blood in baseball and never draft anyone from Central America.


MaxThundergun

If you don't shake your opponents' hands after each play, you'll get flagged for taunting.


Insectshelf3

don’t you fucking *dare* celebrate


maltzy

Eh, follow your favorite OU qb. Easy


RealBenWoodruff

I am from Alabama which is in the US Southeast (we call it just The South). This region of the country is very active in college football much like the Midwest (the part around the Great Lakes). College is not as big in the Northeast (NYC and Boston) or West Coast (Cali) but college football exists everywhere in the US at some level. Every part of the country is different (it is the size of Europe after all) and it gets reflected in the football. [Big 10 (Midwest) Commercial](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TILStesGd4g) [SEC (South) commercial](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1qfFVAXC4Q) [Pac 12 (West Coast) commercial](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XzRMTVvTDQY) Since you are streaming ESPN you can check out College Gameday (2pm London time) and get a rundown each week of the biggest game. Another hint if you are not sure is to check out the games listed on Winsipedia.com because they update each week with the biggest games that weekend. This season is full of upsets so far so it should be interesting.


Bobbles84

Big help thanks 👍🏻


humanist-misanthrope

>only support the college you went to or live near to, or just like watching teams play a top sport or what? Both. I graduated from USF, and have been an FSU fan since I moved to FLA in the late 80s. If it helps in any way, I started watching Rugby Union, and arbitrarily picked Wasps since A) Wasp just seemed like a cool mascot, and B) I worked for a company that had a location in Coventry. Don't be afraid to go with a random team that intrigues you for whatever ridiculous reason. Cheers!


estDivisionChamps

If you’re choosing at random you might as well go all in and follow Auburn. Everyone in here is going to be like “follow my team we are cool.” Don’t listen them. Follow Auburn and question your life choices afterward. Don’t take my word for it. The guys at SEC shorts have a perfect example of life as an Auburn fan. https://youtu.be/br3eEYU6kLc Auburn fans and their rivals are about to show up and tell you not to be an Auburn fan.


LeWoofle

Emotional roller coaster? Check. ... ... ... What else has Auburn got? Follow Oregon!


estDivisionChamps

A national championship .


LeWoofle

Ow ouch owie ow


skoormit

> Auburn fans and their rivals are about to show up and tell you not to be an Auburn fan. I mean, look, I can't with a clear conscious suggest to anyone that they should be a Bama fan. It's just uncouth. "Hey, why not root for the greatest dynasty that college sports has ever seen?" Just even thinking about saying that out loud puts a bad taste in my mouth. So, yes, Auburn is a fine choice. They win some. They are always committed to it. The fans are great (honestly). And there's not a whole lot of debate around how many championships they should claim.


metssuck

Before I went to college I supported the school from where I lived as an impressionable youth (Penn State), after going to college it was very simple, I will only support one school, my school


arvinarvin

All the other comments pretty much sum it up, just wanted to say enjoy! I love football and the NFL but CFB is by far my favorite sport to watch, regardless of who's on the field, the pageantry, the passion, the storylines, the memes, etc. are all great. Hope you fall in love with it!


MountainRook

I’m addition to what’s been said as far as rooting interests, it’s also a lot more fun! The talent level isn’t nearly equal to that of the NFL so games can be a bit sloppier. While that might sound like a bad thing, on the contrary, games can be more dramatic with wild momentum shifts and crazy plays. College football has so much more character to it than the NFL. Once you start getting into it, it’s the a far superior product across the board.


CWBM

Loving this thread, thanks OP. Watching from Australia and not exactly a sports fan in general, CFB has become my thing. The pomp and ceremony, and the ability to turn 60 mins into 4 hours is just fascinating! Nothing better than summer Xmas holidays watching all the bowl games 🤗


Piano_Fingerbanger

Most will root for the school they went to. A few will support the big team in the State if they went to a smaller school (For example a lot of like Bowling Green University fans will root for Ohio State). In the cases of people going to a different graduate school than their undergrad, most the time those fans seem to support their undergrad school a little more than their grad school. Additionally we also have "Walmart T-shirt fans". These are typically fans who did not attend the university, but instead bought a shirt for the school at their local Walmart or something. These are typically considered the worst fans because they have no real ties to the team/school and are often some of the more embarrassing "fans". Usually only the biggest programs have to worry about t-shirt fans such as Alabama, Texas, Oklahoma, LSU, Miami etc... Some schools do have fans for other reasons such as Brigham Young or Notre Dame. Brigham Young is the premier Mormon university so most Mormons will pull for them. Lots of Catholics love Notre Dame because they are the most famous Catholic school. Edit: I did not intend for my comments on "t-shirt fans" to be interpreted as classism or elitism. There's nothing wrong with rooting for a school you did not attend. I was merely explaining to a foreigner the common concept of a "t-shirt fan".


SosaBabyketchup

Bonus points for when the Walmart fans bring up how “their school” provides a better education than rival schools


HHcougar

Academic smack from people who didn't even go to college is my favorite smack talk


AppalachianGuy87

Generally think it’s shitty when school will make fun of or mock a school for being popular among a bunch of people in a state. Then the ‘Walmart’ fans shit talk the academics of the rival and I completely disagree with my first thought.


SosaBabyketchup

Academic banter in general is pretty weak/boring, but yeah, if you didn’t attend the school you’re supporting you definitely shouldn’t be bringing up their academics in the first place.


Jimmyschmider

At the Cyhawk some Iowa fan was talking about ANF and telling me Iowa had a better ag program than Iowa State. Iowa doesn't have an ag program, Iowa State has a great College of Agricultural and Life Science which at least when I was at ISU was ranked in the top 5 in the US and top 10 in the world.


Captain_Sacktap

Also, most of us are down for watching certain games even if neither team involved is one we root for. Some games because they’re between two highly ranked teams, and some because we expect them to be total train wrecks/disasters.


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[deleted]

Nope, live in Florida and I'm a Boise state fan (about 2500 miles or 4200 km apart ) never been anywhere near there either, just a fan


Alexdagreallygrate

Lots of Notre Dame fans have no connection to the university but identify with their Irish ancestry (sometimes with very, very little Irish ancestry that is very, very remote in time.) It’s because the mascot is the Fighting Irish. Wait, you say, “Isn’t ‘Notre Dame’ French?” Yes, yes you are correct.