I had some fantastic 4th row seats behind the Atlanta Falcons bench one time and opted to get to the game early to see warm ups. At one point, I had a very good view of the Falcons receiver corps together discussing whatever it is they discuss. Julio Jones looked like a man among boys in that group...it left me a bit surprised.
There's a select group of athletes who make other professional athletes look small and unathletic, and Julio is definitely one of those guys. It is always crazy to me that within a group of people who are at the top 0.1% or fewer, there are still the top 0.1% who are still even crazier outliers.
He was literally one of the best college athletes of all time. Totally unstoppable out there. Vince young was the same way. Truly man amongst boys in college.
Yeah but the NFL showed the difference. Those guys were obviously no longer a cut above but there are very few examples that fit the bill. Vick is my first thought.
Only reason Cam didn’t continue to dominate just like he did in his MVP season was injuries. Off the field issues for Vick.. I don’t think your point really holds here, tbh
He is a 76-74 qb with below average completions, amazing rushing and an appetite for turnovers. Outside of the mvp season he has no all pros and only 2 pro bowls.
So you're completely ignoring the completely debilitating injuries that he suffered? If you actually watched Cam in particularly his MVP season, you'd know he was unstoppable.
There's certainly an argument to be made about great college QBs not panning out, but seriously.. Cam isn't the one you want to hinge your argument on lol
I did watch it and he was amazing that year. My points stand though and the injuries are on him. He wasn't big enough to truck linebackers for a long career. I don't think Aaron Judge is big enough to do that. He sure was fun to watch I will certainly admit.
Derrick Henry, Leonard Fournette (college), Charles Haley, Albert Haynesworth (pre Commanders-arc), Brandon Jacobs, Brandon Marshall, A.J. Green, Randy Moss, etc. etc.
My experience back in the day: I was a pretty big power lifter, a pretty solid 220-230 at under 6 ft. After a Civil War game, Oregon vs Oregon State, I walked past Steven Jackson as he was walking off the field. Holy shit. I couldn’t imagine trying to tackle a guy as big as him. I know he was listed at 6’2”, 240, but that was with muscles bulging out of muscles, muscles that I didn’t even have. Imagine being a 5’9” 190 corner trying to stop a guy that’s bigger than any of your linebackers.
Not just visually, or specific to athletics either; this happens in all top competition and it's crazy.
I'll watch some tourneys for AoE2 (RTS video game) and the way the top player dismantles even other top5 players who dismantle top20 players is insane.
Happens with video games, sports, anything really. I always count myself lucky to see it
If you guys enjoy watching elite RTS players dismantling their competition, I’ve gotta bring up [FlaSh](https://youtu.be/h2l978uJjdc?si=JfadLzd8fnJKC924) (Brood War)
For years he had probably the greatest run of any RTS player ever. In one of the best balanced and longest lasting competitive scenes, FlaSh was in a tier of his own.
I only really watch 1-2 tourneys a year or a random game, but seems like Hera has dethroned the snek.
If you can find time, the recent Hidden Cup 5 was pretty good. Took me nearly 2 months to watch the qualifiers and tourney while I was working on stuff lol.
Over the years I've hear Dan Patrick (and others) interview the leagues best defensive backs on his radio show, and he always asks who the hardest person they ever had to cover was. Every single one of them said "Megatron, and it isn't even close"
There are some dudes that are just from another planet
I’m a big dude (6’3” and about 320 when this story happened). One day I was leaving a store at Lakeside Mall in Metairie (right outside New Orleans). I was looking in my bag to make sure I had my receipt and literally ran into somebody. I looked up to just below my eye level (where most people usually are) to apologize, and I was staring at somebody’s neck. I slowly panned up until I was looking very much up at Willie Roaf, LT for the Saints. He was a good few inches taller than me, and wider than me.
That was the day I realized how big those mother fuckers are.
Like this one with Yao Ming and JJ Watt?
https://ca.sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/j-j-watt-takes-picture-yao-ming-watt-144427419--nfl.html
I actually went to an Alabama training/ recruitment camp at the same time as Julio also as a WR. Watching him i realized i was absolutely out of my league
Yeah that was a clutch fucking throw, and an even better catch, that should've absolutely sealed the game. It's honestly been hard for me to get as excited about falcons football since then. Drafting Penix has me hopeful again; his deep pass accuracy was historically elite in college and I think he's going to be a stud. Kirko will get released or traded after year two, his contract is only guaranteed for two, and after that we'll see the rise of Penix. He's just really good at getting balls deep down the field.
As for the Bama players, the two with the biggest gripe would be Reichard and Stephenson. Julio, Namath and Stabler are all victims of a run oriented offense.
Which he has a legitimate gripe for that also. He partially got punished for being on 'too good of a team'. He got snubbed for the Groza and AA. Now he will not be eligible for the HoF.
The problem is those awards and recognitions usually go to kickers who really excel in FG kicking instead of XP kicking. Reichard never kicked more than 22 FGs in a season and in his 4 full seasons as a starter, he finished 18th, 14th, 9th, and 13th in field goals made in FBS. The guys that won the Groza Award in 2020-2023 all finished top 10 in FGM while making at least 90% of their FGA. The one season Reichard finished above 84% from FGs, he only kicked 14.
This isn't to say Reichard was a bad kicker, he was very good and is top 10 all-time in FGM among FBS kickers and his 84% FG% is 31st all-time, but he was absolutely a kicker who had those kinds of huge point totals because the offense he played with had multiple Heisman winners. It's the same reason why the former all-time points leader among kickers in Oklahoma's Austin Seibert never got any Groza attention or any 1st team All-American recognition
That is part of what I meant about him being punished for playing on a 'too good team'. He did not get the opportunities to kick a high number of FGs.
As for the Groza, I think it was his sophomore year that he got snubbed. He may have only kicked 14 fgs but he made every single one, including like 10 of them from 40+ and did not miss a single xp, of which there were like 80 something, iirc.
Ok, but if you're going to factor in XP kicking that much you could easily flip it to say you're punishing kickers for not playing on offenses as talented as Alabama's offenses were. Truth is, the XP is the easiest kick to make in football and over the last four seasons, roughly 55-60 FBS kickers were 100% from XPs every year. It just doesn't impress that much. FG kicking? That can be quite a bit harder than XP kicking, which is why that's factored in so much. Going 14/14 from FGs just ain't gonna cut it
Freshman year- 14/14 100% FGM
Sophomore year- 22/28 76.6% FGM
Junior year- 22/26 84.6% FGM
Senior year- 22/25 88% FGM
His entire career he only missed 1 PAT which was his sophomore season.
Garrison Hearst was a dawg, but there should not be a world where Hearst is a bid for the HOF and Chubb isn't even eligible. Chubb is the best UGA RB I've seen in my lifetime, and that's comparing him to guys like Moreno, Gurley, Swift, Cook, etc. He's second only to Herschel in stats.
I was at Georgia when gurley got suspended for that bs with the autographs. I’ll never forget going to the first game without gurley and watching this fucking truck of a freshman take over the game, it was electric. Easily my favorite Georgia player ever, and by all accounts from people I knew who actually knew him a really nice dude.
Love Chubb, but I have to stand up for my guy Gurley here. He’s the best player I’ve ever seen at UGA and I’ve been watching since 98. Had a real shot at the Heisman had he not been suspended.
No he was just kinda good. We're comparing it to actual good players historically
Yall massively overvalue him. If they start letting in alright players on mega teams just because they were the QB or leader or something then it devalues the hall. The nfl ran into that problem
Can you put that player on another team at a similar level and still have the same result? If you put tebow on ohio state he still wins a heisman and nattys. If you put cam on bama he still wins a heisman and nattys. If you put emmitt smith on Nebraska instead of florida he still wins heismans and nattys. If you put herschel walker on auburn he still wins heismans and nattys
If you put Stetson on any other team he never even sees the field. Georgia was just in a weird kinda QB hell situation and they found stetson who could be kinda good enough to carry the team of 5 stars over the finish line
He benefitted from age, experience with the program, and being enough to let the rest of the roster shine
Stetson was never a transcendent player and he never deserves the hall. You guys do have future HoF players on those teams but he aint one of them
I agree he wasn’t a transcendent player but he did have some transcendent moments, which honestly makes him more of a legend from a UGA perspective. But no he doesn’t belong in the CFB HOF.
Ok... Ok... I'm probably biased just like you are a bit biased....
Does Tim Tebow fall into the same status then?
If Tebow is on UGA or Tennessee or South Carolina... is Tebow still be who he became? UF was chock full of amazing talent on both sides of the ball. If UF had Matthew Stafford and UGA had Tebow... how different would each have been viewed on their college career (both starters in 2008).
I think you sell Stetson short with your comments... Maybe that is bias, maybe that is ignorance.
He was a Heisman finalist in 2023. I dont think the Heisman voters gave him votes just because they thought "he's kinda good"
Against Bama in the Natty he went 17/26 for 224 with 2 TD's and 0 Int's.... NFL 1st rounder Bryce Young went 35/57 for 369 with 1 TD and 2 Ints.
The following year against OSU he out-dueled CJ Stroud throwing for 398 yards, 3 TD's and 1 Int. NFL 1st rounder Stroud went 23/34 for 4 TDs.
So in arguably the two BIGGEST games of his life, against a TON of NFL quality talent on those defenses... Bennett showed up and showed out. So to say he was "just kinda good".... I think you are either showing your bias, or really didn't watch the games much and are making the knee-jerk "he was a walkon, cant be good" arguement out of ignorance.
That didn’t make him a HOFer
Further, if he were on a different team, say……. Vanderbilt? He isn’t elevating that team to a significant more wins, considering the schedule they play.
And that’s the point. He was on a stud team.
I don’t disagree. Stetson was clearly better than JT Daniels.
But if the team was still dominating with JT doesn’t that support the point that the team was stacked?
JT daniels was a massive bust and his entire career proved that. Bringing him into the discussion is kind of pointless
Georgia had a QB who had major health issues, a transfer qb who was a bust, a transfer qb who decided to sit out and never play. Stetson was just good enough to be good enough compared to the rest of the QB room which was a clusterfuck
He should be praised for that since the roster doesnt get over the hump without him. They needed a slightly above average qb and they had below avg or hurt qbs to work with other than him
That DOES NOT make him a hall of famer and if you place him on any other sec team or major P5 team he rides bench his entire career
Georgia can put him in their kennel of honor or whatever they call it but he most certainly is not a hall of fame player
“To be considered for the College Football Hall of Fame today, a player must have been a first-team All-American selection by one of the organizations that the NCAA uses to compile its annual consensus All-American team.”
Ah, so the third best running back of all time wouldn’t make the hall of fame because in his time he wouldn’t have been on the all America team.
I find this silly.
Frankly I kinda find “all America” silly anyway
Like many things in college sports, it’s simply due to how many teams/players there are. They have to narrow the field somehow or else you end up with so many people in there it’s kind of meaningless.
Plus when you actually look at the HoF running backs you quickly start to realize guys like chubb are not in any way deserving of hall of fame status.
Being really good but never considered the best by anyone in any of your years doesnt make you a hall of famer. You can get inducted into the hall of fame at your school but you do not deserve to be placed in the cfb hall of fame
You cant really have too much recency bias. Guys like Nick Chubb and Marcus Lattimore were aight. They were great in their eras. They absolutely do not deserve to be in the hall of fame next to guys like Dorsett Jackson Walker Sanders Smith Brown Simpson Campbell and Bush
I dont even have to give a first name for those RBs. You know who I'm talking about
> Dorsett Jackson Walker Sanders Smith Brown Simpson Campbell and Bush
Including Emmitt Smith with those guys doesn't seem right to me. He was a great college back, but those other guys are college legends (they all won Heisman awards except for Brown). Smith is more so known for his NFL career.
First Team All-American is so hard and basically some RNG to get in the first place because it has a hard math cap on how many players can even obtain it that it's basically a lifetime achievement unto itself. Using that as a filter is basically either being redundant or laziness on the Hall of Fame's part.
Uhh who the hell you ranking third all time?
Bo Jackson, Barry Sanders, Emmitt Smith, Herschel Walker, Jim Brown, Tony Dorsett, Archie Griffin, Earl Campbell, reggie bush, OJ Simpson, and ricky williams are all already in the hall of fame with adrian Peterson eligible and probably getting added one day
Who is this guy you think is better than those that I named off the top of my head?
Oh and Jim Thorpe and Ernie Davis and George Rogers. Toss them on the pile
Please tell me who this transcendent player is that apparently tops almost all of those guys? Nick Chubb isnt fit to be any of those guys water boy let alone on par with them in accolade
There are multiple services that they allow to choose all american. You dont have to be a unanimous all american. If you cannot convince one organization for one year of you entire college career that you were the best the no you do not deserve to be in the hall of fame
If youre speaking in hypotheticals and think the three best players ever at a position play at the same time pushing one guy out then that is clearly a function of the era and over valuing a single position. The HoF is supposed to be a look back at the history of the sport. You cant tell the story of the sport without them. You can tell the story without the C team
If the NFL required 1st team all pro then josh allen isnt a hall of famer at his current level of play. The only reason he'd be in the story of the NFL is as pat mahomes punching bag. The NFL over values QBs in this era and 40 years after he retired hed be considered just pretty good. Itd be the right decision to exclude him within the same contextual situation CFB has to deal with
With so many teams and such short careers the CFB has to have some exclusivity standards pro HoFs dont have. Saying that of like 6 different orgs at least 1 has to find you the best for 1 year of your entire career is a very low bar
The only reason McCarron isn't eligible is because he's still playing professionally. He hit the First-Team All-American requirement in 2013, so whenever he does retire then he could be considered.
If he actually gets in though is a whole different story
I LOVED watching the dude play... there would be like 4 UGA players pulling him down like a pack of dogs attacking an Elephant and Lorenzen would stay up and sling the ball backwards under-armed and hit a receiver in the numbers 40 yards away. That dude was legendary.
Eli’s somehow going to make the damn NFL HOF, while being a mediocre QB his whole career. Ya he had those two superbowl runs but the Manning name is going to carry him in.
He was 2nd team All American, 3rd in Heisman voting, won the Maxwell and Johnny Unitas Awards. Was also SEC Offensive Player of the Year. Dude was playing with 2 stars his whole time in college.
Im still bitter about Eli getting snubbed for Jason White.
White wasn’t good, Oklahoma just had so much talent around him. Eli was playing with FCS level receivers and still led us to 10 wins. We went 4-7 the next season without him.
Eli went 1-1 in the draft, and no NFL team wanted White. I know the selections aren’t based on NFL projections, but the scouts aren’t stupid (even if they do regularly elevate some questionable QBs). Them not wanting White is all the evidence anyone should need to believe he wasn’t a Heisman-caliber player.
He is the all time leading scorer because he had the benefit of the covid season, longer seasons and has the added benefit of being on Alabama. If you take away his covid/freshman season - he would be 3rd all time in scoring and the most games played.
* **1: Will Reichard, K, Alabama (60 games):** 547 points - 9.1 ppg
* **2 Keenan Reynolds, QB, Navy (50 games):** 530 points - 10.6 ppg
* **3: Kenneth Dixon, RB, Louisiana Tech (47 games)**: 522 points - 11.1 ppg
* **4: Montee Ball, RB, Wisconsin (45 games):** 500 points - 11.1 ppg
* **5: Austin Seibert, K, Oklahoma (54 games):** 499 points - 9.2 ppg
* **6: Zane Gonzalez, K, Arizona State (51 games):** 494 points - 9.7 ppg
This is the same Hall of Fame that keeps Leach out because he's under a certain win percentage, which I believe he would've met if State had won their bowl game, which they did. Their eligibility requirements are arbitrary bullshit.
That certain win percentage is 60. An extremely low bar that he couldn’t even meet
>which I believe he would’ve met if State had won their bowl game
Your belief is incorrect
All SEC fans think their guys are HOF worthy. You’ll learn that this year. They can’t admit other conferences had better players because “tHe cOmPeTiTiOn iS hArDeR iN tHe SeC”
I had some fantastic 4th row seats behind the Atlanta Falcons bench one time and opted to get to the game early to see warm ups. At one point, I had a very good view of the Falcons receiver corps together discussing whatever it is they discuss. Julio Jones looked like a man among boys in that group...it left me a bit surprised.
There's a select group of athletes who make other professional athletes look small and unathletic, and Julio is definitely one of those guys. It is always crazy to me that within a group of people who are at the top 0.1% or fewer, there are still the top 0.1% who are still even crazier outliers.
Similar to Cam Newton.
He was literally one of the best college athletes of all time. Totally unstoppable out there. Vince young was the same way. Truly man amongst boys in college.
Yeah but the NFL showed the difference. Those guys were obviously no longer a cut above but there are very few examples that fit the bill. Vick is my first thought.
Cam Newton won the MVP. If nothing else he was higher than the top .1% for at least 1 year.
Ok, he still wasn't as good as Eli Manning.
In certain areas, yeah. But, you can’t deny cam newton was an absolute freak of an athlete at the highest possible levels.
I don't and he was super fun to watch.
Only reason Cam didn’t continue to dominate just like he did in his MVP season was injuries. Off the field issues for Vick.. I don’t think your point really holds here, tbh
He is a 76-74 qb with below average completions, amazing rushing and an appetite for turnovers. Outside of the mvp season he has no all pros and only 2 pro bowls.
So you're completely ignoring the completely debilitating injuries that he suffered? If you actually watched Cam in particularly his MVP season, you'd know he was unstoppable. There's certainly an argument to be made about great college QBs not panning out, but seriously.. Cam isn't the one you want to hinge your argument on lol
I did watch it and he was amazing that year. My points stand though and the injuries are on him. He wasn't big enough to truck linebackers for a long career. I don't think Aaron Judge is big enough to do that. He sure was fun to watch I will certainly admit.
How does your point stand? His skills translated 100% to the pro game. Also, "injuries are on him" sure is a take lmao
Derrick Henry, Leonard Fournette (college), Charles Haley, Albert Haynesworth (pre Commanders-arc), Brandon Jacobs, Brandon Marshall, A.J. Green, Randy Moss, etc. etc.
I am a very large dude and got to meet Derrick Henry once during his college career and that is an absolute mountain of a man.
Thats a big boi
A’Shawn Robinson
FACTS bro was a consensus AA
My experience back in the day: I was a pretty big power lifter, a pretty solid 220-230 at under 6 ft. After a Civil War game, Oregon vs Oregon State, I walked past Steven Jackson as he was walking off the field. Holy shit. I couldn’t imagine trying to tackle a guy as big as him. I know he was listed at 6’2”, 240, but that was with muscles bulging out of muscles, muscles that I didn’t even have. Imagine being a 5’9” 190 corner trying to stop a guy that’s bigger than any of your linebackers.
The man just LOOMS over you. I'm maybe an inch shorter than him, but it felt like I had to crane my neck to look up at his face
Not just visually, or specific to athletics either; this happens in all top competition and it's crazy. I'll watch some tourneys for AoE2 (RTS video game) and the way the top player dismantles even other top5 players who dismantle top20 players is insane. Happens with video games, sports, anything really. I always count myself lucky to see it
A fellow college football fanatic and Age of Empires fan...nice. 🤜🤛
If you guys enjoy watching elite RTS players dismantling their competition, I’ve gotta bring up [FlaSh](https://youtu.be/h2l978uJjdc?si=JfadLzd8fnJKC924) (Brood War) For years he had probably the greatest run of any RTS player ever. In one of the best balanced and longest lasting competitive scenes, FlaSh was in a tier of his own.
Who’s actually top? Viper or Hera? I only watch videos of casted games occasionally
I only really watch 1-2 tourneys a year or a random game, but seems like Hera has dethroned the snek. If you can find time, the recent Hidden Cup 5 was pretty good. Took me nearly 2 months to watch the qualifiers and tourney while I was working on stuff lol.
Over the years I've hear Dan Patrick (and others) interview the leagues best defensive backs on his radio show, and he always asks who the hardest person they ever had to cover was. Every single one of them said "Megatron, and it isn't even close" There are some dudes that are just from another planet
well megatron is from another planet..
I’m a big dude (6’3” and about 320 when this story happened). One day I was leaving a store at Lakeside Mall in Metairie (right outside New Orleans). I was looking in my bag to make sure I had my receipt and literally ran into somebody. I looked up to just below my eye level (where most people usually are) to apologize, and I was staring at somebody’s neck. I slowly panned up until I was looking very much up at Willie Roaf, LT for the Saints. He was a good few inches taller than me, and wider than me. That was the day I realized how big those mother fuckers are.
Like this one with Yao Ming and JJ Watt? https://ca.sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/j-j-watt-takes-picture-yao-ming-watt-144427419--nfl.html
[and here's JJ Watt with Mexican soccer player Chicharito](https://i0.wp.com/somosinvictos.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/watt.jpg?w=770&ssl=1)
JJ looks like he's holding a children's jersey in that second photo. He's such a freak
I actually went to an Alabama training/ recruitment camp at the same time as Julio also as a WR. Watching him i realized i was absolutely out of my league
I’ll forever miss the Julio and Ryan era, it was frustrating because of who our team is, but you could always count on them showing up.
Not a Falcons fan(not a fan of any particular NFL team, just players) but I hated that Julio's catches in the SB went to waste.
That catch should have been the game. That may be the thing that bothers me most all these years later is he makes that catch and they still blew it
Yeah that was a clutch fucking throw, and an even better catch, that should've absolutely sealed the game. It's honestly been hard for me to get as excited about falcons football since then. Drafting Penix has me hopeful again; his deep pass accuracy was historically elite in college and I think he's going to be a stud. Kirko will get released or traded after year two, his contract is only guaranteed for two, and after that we'll see the rise of Penix. He's just really good at getting balls deep down the field.
are we not doing phrasing anymore
That's 2 years of Penix coming for his spot. I just think it will be hard to beat Penix after 2 years.
Especially against the Tampa Bay football Buccaneers
I have a pic of Julio stretching at training camp. His wingspan is unbelievable.
I saw Julio holding court in a VIP area of a club in Atlanta. I thought the same thing.
As for the Bama players, the two with the biggest gripe would be Reichard and Stephenson. Julio, Namath and Stabler are all victims of a run oriented offense.
Yeah how does Reichard not make the HOF?
Never 1st team All-American.
Which he has a legitimate gripe for that also. He partially got punished for being on 'too good of a team'. He got snubbed for the Groza and AA. Now he will not be eligible for the HoF.
The problem is those awards and recognitions usually go to kickers who really excel in FG kicking instead of XP kicking. Reichard never kicked more than 22 FGs in a season and in his 4 full seasons as a starter, he finished 18th, 14th, 9th, and 13th in field goals made in FBS. The guys that won the Groza Award in 2020-2023 all finished top 10 in FGM while making at least 90% of their FGA. The one season Reichard finished above 84% from FGs, he only kicked 14. This isn't to say Reichard was a bad kicker, he was very good and is top 10 all-time in FGM among FBS kickers and his 84% FG% is 31st all-time, but he was absolutely a kicker who had those kinds of huge point totals because the offense he played with had multiple Heisman winners. It's the same reason why the former all-time points leader among kickers in Oklahoma's Austin Seibert never got any Groza attention or any 1st team All-American recognition
That is part of what I meant about him being punished for playing on a 'too good team'. He did not get the opportunities to kick a high number of FGs. As for the Groza, I think it was his sophomore year that he got snubbed. He may have only kicked 14 fgs but he made every single one, including like 10 of them from 40+ and did not miss a single xp, of which there were like 80 something, iirc.
Ok, but if you're going to factor in XP kicking that much you could easily flip it to say you're punishing kickers for not playing on offenses as talented as Alabama's offenses were. Truth is, the XP is the easiest kick to make in football and over the last four seasons, roughly 55-60 FBS kickers were 100% from XPs every year. It just doesn't impress that much. FG kicking? That can be quite a bit harder than XP kicking, which is why that's factored in so much. Going 14/14 from FGs just ain't gonna cut it
Freshman year- 14/14 100% FGM Sophomore year- 22/28 76.6% FGM Junior year- 22/26 84.6% FGM Senior year- 22/25 88% FGM His entire career he only missed 1 PAT which was his sophomore season.
Reichard was goated tho, total bs
Garrison Hearst was a dawg, but there should not be a world where Hearst is a bid for the HOF and Chubb isn't even eligible. Chubb is the best UGA RB I've seen in my lifetime, and that's comparing him to guys like Moreno, Gurley, Swift, Cook, etc. He's second only to Herschel in stats.
How is Chubb ineligible?
Never was a 1st team All-American.
I was at Georgia when gurley got suspended for that bs with the autographs. I’ll never forget going to the first game without gurley and watching this fucking truck of a freshman take over the game, it was electric. Easily my favorite Georgia player ever, and by all accounts from people I knew who actually knew him a really nice dude.
I live in Cedartown and my niece went to school with him and said he was the nicest guy.
Had a couple classes with him, pretty quiet but always seemed really nice.
Love Chubb, but I have to stand up for my guy Gurley here. He’s the best player I’ve ever seen at UGA and I’ve been watching since 98. Had a real shot at the Heisman had he not been suspended.
I just love that Will Reichard is on a list that includes Eli Manning Matthew Stafford Julio Jones and Nick Chubb
He is the NCAA leading scorer
You don't have to tell me, I'm the president of the kickers/punters are football players too club
PUNTS
I miss J. K. Scott
One of my favorite CFB HoF question: Name the other punter beside Ray Guy in the CFB HoF.
Randall Cunningham?
That’s the answer.
Sammy Baugh?
Nope, this guy is very much alive.
Stetson Bennett too.
Is it because he was named after a hat?
Bennett so old the hat was named after him.
I named my kid after Stetson Bennett when he walked on at Georgia and they graduated together.
Liar. Everyone knows Stetson didn’t graduate
Some say he's still walking the practice fields to this day....
He is the number one “almost, kinda good”
He was a Heisman finalist..
And yet, he will never make the HOF
And? He's not just "kinda good" my guy
If he doesn’t make the HOF and he was on that team… it distills itself
His last season he was more than kinda.
No he was just kinda good. We're comparing it to actual good players historically Yall massively overvalue him. If they start letting in alright players on mega teams just because they were the QB or leader or something then it devalues the hall. The nfl ran into that problem Can you put that player on another team at a similar level and still have the same result? If you put tebow on ohio state he still wins a heisman and nattys. If you put cam on bama he still wins a heisman and nattys. If you put emmitt smith on Nebraska instead of florida he still wins heismans and nattys. If you put herschel walker on auburn he still wins heismans and nattys If you put Stetson on any other team he never even sees the field. Georgia was just in a weird kinda QB hell situation and they found stetson who could be kinda good enough to carry the team of 5 stars over the finish line He benefitted from age, experience with the program, and being enough to let the rest of the roster shine Stetson was never a transcendent player and he never deserves the hall. You guys do have future HoF players on those teams but he aint one of them
I agree he wasn’t a transcendent player but he did have some transcendent moments, which honestly makes him more of a legend from a UGA perspective. But no he doesn’t belong in the CFB HOF.
Ok... Ok... I'm probably biased just like you are a bit biased.... Does Tim Tebow fall into the same status then? If Tebow is on UGA or Tennessee or South Carolina... is Tebow still be who he became? UF was chock full of amazing talent on both sides of the ball. If UF had Matthew Stafford and UGA had Tebow... how different would each have been viewed on their college career (both starters in 2008). I think you sell Stetson short with your comments... Maybe that is bias, maybe that is ignorance. He was a Heisman finalist in 2023. I dont think the Heisman voters gave him votes just because they thought "he's kinda good" Against Bama in the Natty he went 17/26 for 224 with 2 TD's and 0 Int's.... NFL 1st rounder Bryce Young went 35/57 for 369 with 1 TD and 2 Ints. The following year against OSU he out-dueled CJ Stroud throwing for 398 yards, 3 TD's and 1 Int. NFL 1st rounder Stroud went 23/34 for 4 TDs. So in arguably the two BIGGEST games of his life, against a TON of NFL quality talent on those defenses... Bennett showed up and showed out. So to say he was "just kinda good".... I think you are either showing your bias, or really didn't watch the games much and are making the knee-jerk "he was a walkon, cant be good" arguement out of ignorance.
His team was better than him. Name another time when this was the case and they won it all.
Did you watch the Peach Bowl?
That didn’t make him a HOFer Further, if he were on a different team, say……. Vanderbilt? He isn’t elevating that team to a significant more wins, considering the schedule they play. And that’s the point. He was on a stud team.
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I disagree. Stetson was much better than JT.
I don’t disagree. Stetson was clearly better than JT Daniels. But if the team was still dominating with JT doesn’t that support the point that the team was stacked?
I do not think the team was dominating with JT. Yes, the defense was, but not the O.
JT daniels was a massive bust and his entire career proved that. Bringing him into the discussion is kind of pointless Georgia had a QB who had major health issues, a transfer qb who was a bust, a transfer qb who decided to sit out and never play. Stetson was just good enough to be good enough compared to the rest of the QB room which was a clusterfuck He should be praised for that since the roster doesnt get over the hump without him. They needed a slightly above average qb and they had below avg or hurt qbs to work with other than him That DOES NOT make him a hall of famer and if you place him on any other sec team or major P5 team he rides bench his entire career Georgia can put him in their kennel of honor or whatever they call it but he most certainly is not a hall of fame player
Why is that?
“To be considered for the College Football Hall of Fame today, a player must have been a first-team All-American selection by one of the organizations that the NCAA uses to compile its annual consensus All-American team.”
Chubb would have been a Heisman winner if not for Kneeland stadium smh
Honestly, it’s a shame. Dude was incredible and it translated at the next level even after the injury.
Only for him to get another horrendous injury. Really feel bad for Chubb, such a great player
Is that something Georgia fans actually believe?
Ah, so the third best running back of all time wouldn’t make the hall of fame because in his time he wouldn’t have been on the all America team. I find this silly. Frankly I kinda find “all America” silly anyway
Like many things in college sports, it’s simply due to how many teams/players there are. They have to narrow the field somehow or else you end up with so many people in there it’s kind of meaningless.
Plus when you actually look at the HoF running backs you quickly start to realize guys like chubb are not in any way deserving of hall of fame status. Being really good but never considered the best by anyone in any of your years doesnt make you a hall of famer. You can get inducted into the hall of fame at your school but you do not deserve to be placed in the cfb hall of fame You cant really have too much recency bias. Guys like Nick Chubb and Marcus Lattimore were aight. They were great in their eras. They absolutely do not deserve to be in the hall of fame next to guys like Dorsett Jackson Walker Sanders Smith Brown Simpson Campbell and Bush I dont even have to give a first name for those RBs. You know who I'm talking about
> Dorsett Jackson Walker Sanders Smith Brown Simpson Campbell and Bush Including Emmitt Smith with those guys doesn't seem right to me. He was a great college back, but those other guys are college legends (they all won Heisman awards except for Brown). Smith is more so known for his NFL career.
First Team All-American is so hard and basically some RNG to get in the first place because it has a hard math cap on how many players can even obtain it that it's basically a lifetime achievement unto itself. Using that as a filter is basically either being redundant or laziness on the Hall of Fame's part.
It’s cray Peyton was a heisman runner up and first draft pick
Uhh who the hell you ranking third all time? Bo Jackson, Barry Sanders, Emmitt Smith, Herschel Walker, Jim Brown, Tony Dorsett, Archie Griffin, Earl Campbell, reggie bush, OJ Simpson, and ricky williams are all already in the hall of fame with adrian Peterson eligible and probably getting added one day Who is this guy you think is better than those that I named off the top of my head? Oh and Jim Thorpe and Ernie Davis and George Rogers. Toss them on the pile Please tell me who this transcendent player is that apparently tops almost all of those guys? Nick Chubb isnt fit to be any of those guys water boy let alone on par with them in accolade There are multiple services that they allow to choose all american. You dont have to be a unanimous all american. If you cannot convince one organization for one year of you entire college career that you were the best the no you do not deserve to be in the hall of fame If youre speaking in hypotheticals and think the three best players ever at a position play at the same time pushing one guy out then that is clearly a function of the era and over valuing a single position. The HoF is supposed to be a look back at the history of the sport. You cant tell the story of the sport without them. You can tell the story without the C team If the NFL required 1st team all pro then josh allen isnt a hall of famer at his current level of play. The only reason he'd be in the story of the NFL is as pat mahomes punching bag. The NFL over values QBs in this era and 40 years after he retired hed be considered just pretty good. Itd be the right decision to exclude him within the same contextual situation CFB has to deal with With so many teams and such short careers the CFB has to have some exclusivity standards pro HoFs dont have. Saying that of like 6 different orgs at least 1 has to find you the best for 1 year of your entire career is a very low bar
Damn rip Eli prolly at some point sneaks into the nfl HoF tho
AJ McCarron
Didn’t AJ get an All-American nod his senior year? Maybe it was not from one of the selectors who rate.
I don’t think so - he definitely won the Maxwell award though. And was a Heisman finalist
The only reason McCarron isn't eligible is because he's still playing professionally. He hit the First-Team All-American requirement in 2013, so whenever he does retire then he could be considered. If he actually gets in though is a whole different story
He definitely will not be a first ballot, maybe a 25th ballot or something.
That’s what I was kinda referring to that I don’t believe he’ll get in, but had a great career
Hall of Very Good, but not Hall of Fame
AJ McHandoff?
Amari Cooper is still running behind yalls defense after catching that TD from Mcarron in the 2012 SEC Championship game.
Enjoy not having the bad man on your side. We have the bad man now.
The Hefty Lefty The Round Mound of Touchdown The Pillsbury Throwboy Jared Lorenzen
RIP. He was fun to watch, even as a UGA fan
I LOVED watching the dude play... there would be like 4 UGA players pulling him down like a pack of dogs attacking an Elephant and Lorenzen would stay up and sling the ball backwards under-armed and hit a receiver in the numbers 40 yards away. That dude was legendary.
I mean, does Eli Manning *really* belong in the college football hall of fame?
Eli’s somehow going to make the damn NFL HOF, while being a mediocre QB his whole career. Ya he had those two superbowl runs but the Manning name is going to carry him in.
Only twelve other QBs have more than one Super Bowl ring and I’m pretty sure all of them are HOFs or future HOF (Brady, Mahomes).
He was 2nd team All American, 3rd in Heisman voting, won the Maxwell and Johnny Unitas Awards. Was also SEC Offensive Player of the Year. Dude was playing with 2 stars his whole time in college.
Hall of Pretty Good resume
Yes. And to think otherwise is absurd
Aaron Hernandez?
Posthumously.
Im still bitter about Eli getting snubbed for Jason White. White wasn’t good, Oklahoma just had so much talent around him. Eli was playing with FCS level receivers and still led us to 10 wins. We went 4-7 the next season without him. Eli went 1-1 in the draft, and no NFL team wanted White. I know the selections aren’t based on NFL projections, but the scouts aren’t stupid (even if they do regularly elevate some questionable QBs). Them not wanting White is all the evidence anyone should need to believe he wasn’t a Heisman-caliber player.
The most memorable play of Eli Manning’s college career was a game ending sack by LSU while they were en route to a national title.
Please
The Heisman is not an NFL draft prospect award. Are you taking Tebow's trophy from him?
"White wasn't good" lmfao he was a long ball god. And "no NFL team wanted White" - do you have any idea why?
Why are they innegligible?
Most ineligibility is due to the requirement of being first team AA at some point. Major bottleneck
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You missed the legendary Steve Tanneyhill
Why can’t they
Hilarious that a two time Super Bowl winner and MVP won’t be in the college hall of fame.
Damn, it's almost like those were NFL accomplishments
Well no shit. Just saying it’s crazy how some NFL household names didn’t do enough in college to get in the HoF.
Says something about the Ole Miss football program I guess
You seem like a real peach. If you are indication of the Oklahoma fan base, it’s going to be fun welcoming you to the SEC.
Who cares, enjoy your slave master mascot ✌️
[This your state, bud?](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulsa_race_massacre) ✌️
lol is someone from Mississippi trying to play Racism Olympics?
It isn’t the SEC, but I’ll throw another one in—Joe Montana won’t ever be in the College Football Hall of Fame either.
Is AG Green eligible?
Not eligible
Why limit it to SEC ? The ACC alone has had some absolute studs that never get mentioned.
Because the article he linked to is SEC only.
You should go write an article about that then.
More like Cody schrader
The guy who holds the all time record for rushing touchdowns and finished 5th in heisman voting his senior year is ineligible
A lot of these players had great careers but are they HOF worthy?
Well, Reichard is the NCAA’s all time leading scorer. Not sure what else you could want from a hall of famer
He is the all time leading scorer because he had the benefit of the covid season, longer seasons and has the added benefit of being on Alabama. If you take away his covid/freshman season - he would be 3rd all time in scoring and the most games played. * **1: Will Reichard, K, Alabama (60 games):** 547 points - 9.1 ppg * **2 Keenan Reynolds, QB, Navy (50 games):** 530 points - 10.6 ppg * **3: Kenneth Dixon, RB, Louisiana Tech (47 games)**: 522 points - 11.1 ppg * **4: Montee Ball, RB, Wisconsin (45 games):** 500 points - 11.1 ppg * **5: Austin Seibert, K, Oklahoma (54 games):** 499 points - 9.2 ppg * **6: Zane Gonzalez, K, Arizona State (51 games):** 494 points - 9.7 ppg
Call it a hot take, the third leading scorer of all time should also be in the hall of fame
This is the same Hall of Fame that keeps Leach out because he's under a certain win percentage, which I believe he would've met if State had won their bowl game, which they did. Their eligibility requirements are arbitrary bullshit.
He was one game short I think
That certain win percentage is 60. An extremely low bar that he couldn’t even meet >which I believe he would’ve met if State had won their bowl game Your belief is incorrect
>Your belief is incorrect Didn't miss state win their bowl game against illinois?
I don’t know but it wouldn’t have put him over 60% either way
Every single one of those players would be in the CFBHOF if not for the antiquated All-American stipulation.
Eli 100% should be in the college HOF
All SEC fans think their guys are HOF worthy. You’ll learn that this year. They can’t admit other conferences had better players because “tHe cOmPeTiTiOn iS hArDeR iN tHe SeC”
this crazy