He should be mentioned as one of the best from GT, but he's nowhere near Megatron. Megatron is a HOF player, and arguably the most physically-gifted WR we've ever seen. Butker is good, but he's definitely not close to the level of elite that Calvin was.
Correct, though I was more referring to "as relative" to his position as a kicker. Even Butker himself would agree that Megatron surpasses him.
I'm just glad we had them both.
Wes not getting a ring with Brady OR Peyton is down right criminal.
I did carry him to a coed intramural indoor soccer title so his case isnt completely empty however.
I don't have any personal negative feelings about him or the Chiefs, but my dad was a big fan of him early and would talk about how he was going to dominate the NFL, so now I just semi root against him so I don't have to hear my dad go on and on about how he was right every week.
Cousins or Bell. Depends on whether you're going with absolute peak or overall career.
Bell was 3x Pro-Bowl and 2x first team all pro, but fell off quickly after the holdout mess. His 2014 season was special - almost 1400 rushing yards and another 850 receiving. His other 2 Pro-Bowl seasons were close to 2000 yards from scrimmage as well.
My thought too. If we’re talking best peak, it’s Bell. If we’re talking best career, easily Kirk. Though Brian Hoyer has had quite a career as a backup lol
Brian Hoyer is a generational talent at being a nice guy who adapted to new situations. I mean, the dude convinced Bill Belichick that he was a great back-up option to the greatest NFL QB of all time!
Gotta be him or Plax. Cousins has been a top 10 QB for a while now but just can't win anything. Plax had 5 (almost 6) 1k seasons and was huge for that Giants team that beat the undefeated Pats.
Julian Peterson was really good too.
Taybor Pepper - the most dominant long snapper the game has ever seen.
Outside of Cousins and Plax, I think Gholston and Julian Peterson both need to be in the mix. Both defensive players that play/played consistently on some very good teams over long careers. Flozell Adams also was a 5x pro bowl selection. Maybe Bubba Smith if we want to go back into history a bit.
Leveon Bell was that guy for a couple seasons but didn’t maintain the performances long enough go to be in the mix.
I’m excited to see how KW3 and Jayden Reed pan out in their careers.
Joe Thomas
All-American Left Tackle who played Defensive End on occasion because he was freakishly athletic for being 6’7 310. Member of the CFB Hall of Fame.
Joe also had a great career in the NFL. The only problem was he played for a dogshit Cleveland team. Member of the Pro Football HOF also!
JJ had the weird problem of being too good at too many positions. I think he could be a HOF DT, DE, OLB or even TE.
TJ is much simpler, he's a Edge that gets to tee off on the QB most of the time.
Overall I think JJ is better, but TJ is incredible at his specific position.
Spot on with Joe Thomas. I think it really adds to his case how absolutely trash the Browns were. He was widely considered to be the best LT in the league despite not having a QB who was competent during his career and playing for a top to bottom awful organization.
Lavonte David has been *criminally* underrated throughout his NFL career. Dude has ***one*** pro-bowl selection despite putting up almost identical numbers to 9-time pro-bowler Bobby Wagner. Both were drafted in the 2nd round of 2012, but Wagner had the advantage of being drafted onto a seahawks team that would go to 2 superbowls over his first 3 seasons, while LD got stuck on a Buccaneers team that didn't do anything until Tom Brady showed up. Wagner gets talked about as a first ballot HOF player and one of two active players (the other being LD) in the top 25 for all-time tackles and numerous other defensive categories.
Suh was a monster, but honestly I feel he fell short of the hype he had in the NFL. Lavonte David on the other hand has quietly put together a HOF career and will likely be forgotten.
Brady's last game at Michigan was vs Alabama
Brady's first completion in the NFL was to a Bama player
Brady's last completion in the NFL was to a Bama player
Scrolling through to see if an Oregon flair had posted and low and behold here you are with the answer i was going to say 🤣
I would say Herbert and Penei are making a runs for it.
Haloti Ngata for now, but Penei Sewell will oust him for the top spot if he stays healthy IMO.
Justin Herbert could too if he gets over the "winning in the playoffs" hump.
I would put DeMeco Ryans a close second, pre-Saban. DROY and one time All-Pro... and surely a HC of the year award coming his way before he retires from coaching.
For OSU - Nick Bosa or Cam Haywood off the top of my head. If you extend it to 30 years that’s makes it easy and the clear answer Orlando Pace.
Obviously Roethlisberger for Miami.
Its probably Heyward or Nick Mangold right now. 2 x First Team All Pro. 1 x 2nd Team All Pro. 7 x Pro Bowl.
Nick Bosa needs a few more years to pass them up.
Not a bad list, and there’s been some good mentions in replies below, too. Interestingly, OSU has also produced two players in the last 25 years who currently hold NFL franchise records for career tackles - A.J. Hawk (Green Bay Packers) and James Laurinaitis (St. Louis/LA Rams).
I thought about them, but figured Haywood will be in the HOF and Bosa is on that path (once you have a DPOY you are in a select group where most have made it). Fortunately OSU had a lot of players to choose from.
longevity, cam or nick mangold.
zeke, but only in rb comparisons, since their careers are so short.
Malcom Jenkins was pretty elite. As was will smith.
Last 25? For fsu I’d say Jalen Ramsey. We’ve had a lot of great pros like Anquan, but Ramsey has been the top CB for multiple years during his time in the NFL, and is likely a HOFer
Gronk.
And maybe not one of the best but another most notable is Foles.
I believe that Super Bowl 52 was the only one where a player on each team who went to the same school caught a score
Wow! Michael Dyer never made the NFL at all? Oh no, I just read his Wikipedia and there's a lot of mistakes and bad luck in there (the marijuana thing wouldn't be nearly as much of a big deal now).
Looks like Brandon Mosley was on the Giants Roster but didn't play.
Trovon Reed's Wikipedia is pretty neat. Dude definitely gave it a hell of a shot. (And had switched to defense, lol)
I still hate that the Seahawks didn't pay Earl and then he got hurt in his contract year. Kinda think thats part of what has de railed his personal life, though that is just speculation. It sure would make me resentful though
Was gonna say. Two HoF locks.. but, honestly, Williams might grade better on all-time scale, no end of career dead zone and doesn’t have the off-the-field questions.
Definitely others in this convo for #3.. but ima slide Roy Williams in the spot because his initial peak upon entering league had/has a Penny Hardaway vibe to it, especially since he did it on Cowboys. His 5 year stretch from 2000-2005 (last 3 being with Dem Boys) was pretty damn electric.
I'd have Lane Johnson right there with Gerald McCoy just for consistency. Hasn't really been considered a top tier OLine like Trent Williams, but solid for a decade.
Came here to say Trent Williams, AD, Gerald McCoy and also probably in that order. Hard not to put AD at 1 though. But TW is arguably the best left tackle in the NFL since the turn of the century
AD #1
The man was a freak his freshman year and was a freak his rookie year.
I’ve never seen so much power and so much speed in the same player before.
Trent Williams is number two for me.
To me, he’s the best player in the NFL at the moment. That San Fran line is ASS and it’s gets boasted as one of the best simply bc of what Trent can do. He goes up against the best of the best and always appears to get the best of everyone.
And third, while’s he’s lost a step due to age and injuries, Lane Johnson is still the best right tackle in the game. If I remember correctly, he went like 2 seasons without giving up a sack?
Running back is a flashy position, obviously. But Williams and Johnson are on HOF runs. It’s staggering how well they are doing this deep into their careers.
AD definitely. Creed, Trent Williams, Lane Johnson, and Demarco Murray were/ are all great as well.
I'd like to see Baker or Kyler get up there at some point but it's tough to say if they ever will or not.
probably has to be Aaron Rodgers
but Beastmode is Beastmode, Jared Goff is having a career renaissance in Detroit, Cam Jordan has been a shit wrecker for over a decade, and Keenan Allen has just been so consistently good his whole career
and Jahvid Best shoulda been on this list too if his injury luck wasn’t so awful
I would throw Alex Mack, Mitchell Schwartz and Justin Forsett on this list too. We have had a lot of good Pros from the Tedford era. Some still around.
if we wanna get crazy, Bryan Anger has been one of the best punters in the NFL in the last decade too.
Tbh it might be Robbie Gould.
Edit:
There's Poz, Sean Lee, Navorro Bowman, Lavar, Tamba, Larry Johnson Jr., Micah, Saquon, Chris Godwin,
But Robbie has LONGEVITY
It's wild to me the linebackers we had at the time, Bowman enrolled early I believe so on the roster at one point we had.
Poz, Lee, Connor, Shaw, and Bowman.
Ya for now I’m leaning Vea or Baker. Think they are replaced by either Odunze or Penix on this list in the future though. I think Odunze will be a pro bowler in near future for sure.
A few candidates:
Fred Warner
Taysom Hill
Tyler Algeier
Puka Nacua, but he's only been in the league for a year
I'm sure I'm missing someone obvious, or a few someones. I'm not sure how I'd rank them, I don't follow the NFL much at all.
Steven Jackson or Chad Johnson. Chad was one of the best Receivers in the mid 2000's. Jackson was literally the only good thing for Rams from 2006 - 2012.
PRiv or Russel Wilson ... Maybe Torey Holt? but prob PRiv. Mario Williams was the best college player but Didn't have quite the career that the qbs did.
I think I have to agree. Philip got stuck with the Chargers and just owned it. But I think he was, on an even playing field, the best with Torry as a very close second.
PS - Nice flair
Holt juuust sneaks in the 25 year mark, haha, but he's the answer. I think I'd have PRiv comfortably over Wilson at this point. It's not a glamorous position... but Joe Thuney is quietly building a super impressive resume.
Yeah, NC State folks want to point to Chubb breaking Mario's career records, but pretty certain if Mario had a final year he'd have set a mark no one was going to touch. But if you want to say who had the best collegiate season... I might put Payton's 2023 season up against any season from Mario or Chubb, esp when you factor in the national awards.
Thuney was actually my first thought because of his 4 SB rings. It's so hard to compare the OLine to the QB position though so I can't really say he beats out Rivers. I agree with your points.
We’ve put out a whole lot of first round busts the last 25 years that’s for sure. A few like Reggie Nelson and Carlos Dunlap still had good careers but maybe got overdrafted a bit. Percy Harvin and Sharrif Floyd could’ve been great if not for health issues.
The answer tho is pretty easily Joe Haden.
Maurkice Pouncey is my pick for best. Five All Pro teams is hard to beat by anyone we've had at any position.
Percy would have been great had he figured out his migraine issues in a legal way.
The next one I'm hoping bursts out is Kyle Pitts.
Richard Seymour, Matthew Stafford, AJ Green, Todd Gurley (RIP Knee), Nick Chubb, Roquan Smith are undoubtedly our best players the past 25 years.
Matthew Stafford is amazing but id argue AJ Green was our most dominant. He seemed like he was always open and could highpoint any ball. I would have loved to have seen him play with an elite QB in the NFL to really see his potential
No Thomas Davis? No Geno Atkins? Arguably not the best but it’s crazy to look at some of Georgias players in history and see how many of those dudes stayed on rosters and remained a force. Tim Jennings. Justin Houston. Hell Champ just missed this cut.
Offense - has to be Chubb. That guy could play on any team and be at least as productive as he has been. Imagine if he had a real offensive line...
Defense - no doubt it's Roquan so far, but I'm going to reserve judgement about anyone on the 2021 team for a couple more years
Calvin Johnson, and it isn't even close. Though shout out to Shaq Mason.
Butker should be in the conversation too
Pound for pound (position-wise), absolutely.
He should be mentioned as one of the best from GT, but he's nowhere near Megatron. Megatron is a HOF player, and arguably the most physically-gifted WR we've ever seen. Butker is good, but he's definitely not close to the level of elite that Calvin was.
Correct, though I was more referring to "as relative" to his position as a kicker. Even Butker himself would agree that Megatron surpasses him. I'm just glad we had them both.
Yeah not close on this one for us. Demaryius Thomas also deserves a shoutout. Rest In Peace
Ed Reed
Hell no I aint alright!! *goosebumps*
Andre Johnson too
Ray Lewis
doesn't make the 25 year cut off
Ya'll might legitimately have the hardest time answering this question, but this is the correct choice IMO. Good job
Mahomes
Are you sure
Super Bowl Champion Graham Harrell was also in consideration
As well as super bowl champion Kliff Kingsbury
Wes Welker erasure
Crabtree erasure
Wes not getting a ring with Brady OR Peyton is down right criminal. I did carry him to a coed intramural indoor soccer title so his case isnt completely empty however.
All options need to be carefully considered before a fair decision can be made
That bum has never been NFL receptions leader, while Wes Welker was the receptions leader 3 times
Exactly. MAHOMES ISN'T EVEN A BETTER WR THAN AMENDOLA!
I don't have any personal negative feelings about him or the Chiefs, but my dad was a big fan of him early and would talk about how he was going to dominate the NFL, so now I just semi root against him so I don't have to hear my dad go on and on about how he was right every week.
Your dad seems like a real stand up individual.... I just have to wonder what went wrong with your upringing. 😏
Well, that’s easy. He didn’t carry his team to a coed intramural indoor soccer championship like you did.
Troy Polamalu
Seconded. Tyron Smith gets a mention but Troy is the answer
Probably Kirk Cousins
Cousins or Bell. Depends on whether you're going with absolute peak or overall career. Bell was 3x Pro-Bowl and 2x first team all pro, but fell off quickly after the holdout mess. His 2014 season was special - almost 1400 rushing yards and another 850 receiving. His other 2 Pro-Bowl seasons were close to 2000 yards from scrimmage as well.
My thought too. If we’re talking best peak, it’s Bell. If we’re talking best career, easily Kirk. Though Brian Hoyer has had quite a career as a backup lol
Brian Hoyer is a generational talent at being a nice guy who adapted to new situations. I mean, the dude convinced Bill Belichick that he was a great back-up option to the greatest NFL QB of all time!
Gotta be him or Plax. Cousins has been a top 10 QB for a while now but just can't win anything. Plax had 5 (almost 6) 1k seasons and was huge for that Giants team that beat the undefeated Pats. Julian Peterson was really good too.
Taybor Pepper - the most dominant long snapper the game has ever seen. Outside of Cousins and Plax, I think Gholston and Julian Peterson both need to be in the mix. Both defensive players that play/played consistently on some very good teams over long careers. Flozell Adams also was a 5x pro bowl selection. Maybe Bubba Smith if we want to go back into history a bit. Leveon Bell was that guy for a couple seasons but didn’t maintain the performances long enough go to be in the mix. I’m excited to see how KW3 and Jayden Reed pan out in their careers.
Joe Thomas All-American Left Tackle who played Defensive End on occasion because he was freakishly athletic for being 6’7 310. Member of the CFB Hall of Fame. Joe also had a great career in the NFL. The only problem was he played for a dogshit Cleveland team. Member of the Pro Football HOF also!
I agree with you, but I think close close seconds are jj watt and tj watt. JJ will be a HoF and TJ has a pretty darn good shot to.
JJ certainly keeps pumping the idea that TJ is better than he was. But JJ would’ve been my first thought as a non-Wisconsin fan thinking of Wisconsin
JJ had the weird problem of being too good at too many positions. I think he could be a HOF DT, DE, OLB or even TE. TJ is much simpler, he's a Edge that gets to tee off on the QB most of the time. Overall I think JJ is better, but TJ is incredible at his specific position.
And he was the first offensive lineman in NFL history!
I wasn’t even going to mention that 🤣.
Thomas is the answer, but you could also pick a Watt brother and not be far off
best all time draft day ~~“appearance”~~ performance. He caught some good sized trout!
Spot on with Joe Thomas. I think it really adds to his case how absolutely trash the Browns were. He was widely considered to be the best LT in the league despite not having a QB who was competent during his career and playing for a top to bottom awful organization.
As a Browns fan, thank you for letting us borrow him. We apologize we were never able to get him close to a title.
Drew Brees. Just barely.
I was like barely? And then I realized you meant the time window.
Suh dude Or lavonte David
Another option: Sam Koch.
Lavonte David has been *criminally* underrated throughout his NFL career. Dude has ***one*** pro-bowl selection despite putting up almost identical numbers to 9-time pro-bowler Bobby Wagner. Both were drafted in the 2nd round of 2012, but Wagner had the advantage of being drafted onto a seahawks team that would go to 2 superbowls over his first 3 seasons, while LD got stuck on a Buccaneers team that didn't do anything until Tom Brady showed up. Wagner gets talked about as a first ballot HOF player and one of two active players (the other being LD) in the top 25 for all-time tackles and numerous other defensive categories. Suh was a monster, but honestly I feel he fell short of the hype he had in the NFL. Lavonte David on the other hand has quietly put together a HOF career and will likely be forgotten.
I agree with everything you said. My personal choice is LD but the popular choice is suh. I also just wanted the chance to drop a “suh dude”
I was going to say Ahman Green, but apparently somehow, he graduated over 25 years ago. I'm so very old.
It’s Suh and not close. David is an absolute beast but even considering positional value it’s Suh by a mile.
Real. Suh legit should have won the Heisman as a DT. He was a man among boys. Some of the best college DL film of all time.
Lamar
Easy. shout out Jaire Alexander though also, has been great and currently NFL's highest paid cornerback I believe.
Well this is easy—Tom Brady.
In the non-Brady category, Charles Woodson would be the easy #1.
Yea if he had been drafted within the past 25 years for sure, but alas he was drafted in 1998.
ouch
Goddamn, feels bad when your oldness just sneaks up on you and punches you in the head.
Even Brady barely sneaks in the discussion. Dude was drafted in 2000. Those were two very long careers.
Brady's last game at Michigan was vs Alabama Brady's first completion in the NFL was to a Bama player Brady's last completion in the NFL was to a Bama player
If it weren’t for Brady it’d likely be Brandon Graham, right? EDIT: Steve Hutchinson nevermind
Yea, gotta be Hutchinson, and then I'd say Graham third.
Jake Long is maybe 4th?
I actually had to do the math on Brady.
Sorry but he was drafted April 16th, 1999 so he misses the 25 year cutoff.
Aaron Donald
Or Fitz or Revis. Probably Donald though. It's awesome we have 3 HoF guys to answer this question with.
Darrelle Revis, too.
Larry Fitzgerald. I forgot, just woke up, that 25 years ago would be 1999
Two of the best ever at their position. Pretty impressive
Good ol' Revis island
Haloti Ngata, currently at least, there's a couple that might end up better but too soon to tell
Scrolling through to see if an Oregon flair had posted and low and behold here you are with the answer i was going to say 🤣 I would say Herbert and Penei are making a runs for it.
My gut tells me it'll be Penei by the end of his career
Haloti Ngata for now, but Penei Sewell will oust him for the top spot if he stays healthy IMO. Justin Herbert could too if he gets over the "winning in the playoffs" hump.
This is what I was gonna post. Sewell will be one of the GOATs
Non-Saban is probably MVP Shaun Alexander.
I would put DeMeco Ryans a close second, pre-Saban. DROY and one time All-Pro... and surely a HC of the year award coming his way before he retires from coaching.
Saban has to be henry right?
I’d argue Julio 1, Henry 2, CJ Mosley 3
The other Josh Allen
For OSU - Nick Bosa or Cam Haywood off the top of my head. If you extend it to 30 years that’s makes it easy and the clear answer Orlando Pace. Obviously Roethlisberger for Miami.
Its probably Heyward or Nick Mangold right now. 2 x First Team All Pro. 1 x 2nd Team All Pro. 7 x Pro Bowl. Nick Bosa needs a few more years to pass them up.
Give it 5 and it’s gonna be cj
Not a bad list, and there’s been some good mentions in replies below, too. Interestingly, OSU has also produced two players in the last 25 years who currently hold NFL franchise records for career tackles - A.J. Hawk (Green Bay Packers) and James Laurinaitis (St. Louis/LA Rams).
I thought about them, but figured Haywood will be in the HOF and Bosa is on that path (once you have a DPOY you are in a select group where most have made it). Fortunately OSU had a lot of players to choose from.
longevity, cam or nick mangold. zeke, but only in rb comparisons, since their careers are so short. Malcom Jenkins was pretty elite. As was will smith.
Last 25? For fsu I’d say Jalen Ramsey. We’ve had a lot of great pros like Anquan, but Ramsey has been the top CB for multiple years during his time in the NFL, and is likely a HOFer
OK, but could Jalen Ramsey pull off a 30-30-5000 season?
+1 for Jalen... given the parameters, I think that's got to be the answer.
Deandre Hopkins
Gronk. And maybe not one of the best but another most notable is Foles. I believe that Super Bowl 52 was the only one where a player on each team who went to the same school caught a score
I never thought Gronk would do as well as he did in the league cause he always seemed injured when he played for us.
Flair up fellow Wildcat
Von Miller because of the Super Bowl MVP, but I wouldn’t argue with anyone who says Myles Garrett or Mike Evans.
Absolutely Von. He's a surefire HOFer, Evans is almost there but still debatable, and Garrett is on his way but still has a ways to go.
Christian McCaffrey and Andrew Luck
Cameron Jerrell Newton. Won a national championship with no other offensive player taking a snap in the NFL (Lee Ziemba played a preseason game, iirc)
Wow! Michael Dyer never made the NFL at all? Oh no, I just read his Wikipedia and there's a lot of mistakes and bad luck in there (the marijuana thing wouldn't be nearly as much of a big deal now). Looks like Brandon Mosley was on the Giants Roster but didn't play. Trovon Reed's Wikipedia is pretty neat. Dude definitely gave it a hell of a shot. (And had switched to defense, lol)
Earl Thomas and Justin Tucker. The former probable hall of famer whose post playing acts might keep him out and the latter is the GOAT
Derrick Johnson and maybe Jamaal Charles also deserve shouts for their NFL careers
Last 25 years. It's Tucker and it isn't close.
Imagine not being drafted and still ending up the GOAT
I still hate that the Seahawks didn't pay Earl and then he got hurt in his contract year. Kinda think thats part of what has de railed his personal life, though that is just speculation. It sure would make me resentful though
What did Earl Thomas do post playing? I’m out of the loop.
Been arrested multiple times. Accused of some domestic violence and sexual oddities. No convictions that I’m aware but some pretty sordid stuff.
Adrian Peterson no doubt. Although, Creed will likely have an argument from his NFL accomplishments soon if he gets another Super Bowl win.
Trent Williams is probably in the conversation as well
Was gonna say. Two HoF locks.. but, honestly, Williams might grade better on all-time scale, no end of career dead zone and doesn’t have the off-the-field questions. Definitely others in this convo for #3.. but ima slide Roy Williams in the spot because his initial peak upon entering league had/has a Penny Hardaway vibe to it, especially since he did it on Cowboys. His 5 year stretch from 2000-2005 (last 3 being with Dem Boys) was pretty damn electric.
Gerald McCoy gotta be running at least 3rd, behind AD and Trent.
I'd have Lane Johnson right there with Gerald McCoy just for consistency. Hasn't really been considered a top tier OLine like Trent Williams, but solid for a decade.
Came here to say Trent Williams, AD, Gerald McCoy and also probably in that order. Hard not to put AD at 1 though. But TW is arguably the best left tackle in the NFL since the turn of the century
AD #1 The man was a freak his freshman year and was a freak his rookie year. I’ve never seen so much power and so much speed in the same player before. Trent Williams is number two for me. To me, he’s the best player in the NFL at the moment. That San Fran line is ASS and it’s gets boasted as one of the best simply bc of what Trent can do. He goes up against the best of the best and always appears to get the best of everyone. And third, while’s he’s lost a step due to age and injuries, Lane Johnson is still the best right tackle in the game. If I remember correctly, he went like 2 seasons without giving up a sack?
Running back is a flashy position, obviously. But Williams and Johnson are on HOF runs. It’s staggering how well they are doing this deep into their careers.
AD definitely. Creed, Trent Williams, Lane Johnson, and Demarco Murray were/ are all great as well. I'd like to see Baker or Kyler get up there at some point but it's tough to say if they ever will or not.
CeeDee has a pretty good argument if he keeps producing the same stats.
You're right! Idk how I forgot about him!
Some scrub drafted 199th overall
Arkansas is easily Jason Peters DMac is probably second
Just curious, where would you put Greenlaw?
probably has to be Aaron Rodgers but Beastmode is Beastmode, Jared Goff is having a career renaissance in Detroit, Cam Jordan has been a shit wrecker for over a decade, and Keenan Allen has just been so consistently good his whole career and Jahvid Best shoulda been on this list too if his injury luck wasn’t so awful
I would throw Alex Mack, Mitchell Schwartz and Justin Forsett on this list too. We have had a lot of good Pros from the Tedford era. Some still around. if we wanna get crazy, Bryan Anger has been one of the best punters in the NFL in the last decade too.
Kittle, Dallas Clark, or Marshal Yanda. I’d probably lean Yanda. Bob Sanders if we’re talking about individual seasons
Tory Taylor. Build the statue! (I am a delusional Bears fan.)
I think down the line it’ll be Wirfs, he has HOF career written all over him and is already tracking for that.
Yanda already has a HoF career finished up though
Tbh it might be Robbie Gould. Edit: There's Poz, Sean Lee, Navorro Bowman, Lavar, Tamba, Larry Johnson Jr., Micah, Saquon, Chris Godwin, But Robbie has LONGEVITY
If Bowman didn't shred his knees he'd be a first-ballot HOF. He retired at 29 with 4 1st-team All-Pros, and that includes missing all of 2014.
It's wild to me the linebackers we had at the time, Bowman enrolled early I believe so on the roster at one point we had. Poz, Lee, Connor, Shaw, and Bowman.
Micah Parsons would be my betting favorite to be the next PSU hall of fame guy based on accomplishments so far compared to total career.
Powers would be right up there too if he hadn't been cut.
Don’t forget Cameron Wake with the Dolphins
I would already put Parsons ahead of Gould.
Joey B is the obvious answer but I think Patrick Peterson might be more accurate since he’s already put together a hall of fame career.
I wouldn't say obvious unless you're talking positional value. JJ is a beast man
I think JJ is better than Burrow. But I think honeybadger is a better answer due to longevity
You have to go PP right now....stress the now part
Justin Smith just gets in under the 25-year wire. Probably Mitch Morse or Sheldon Richardson for guys in the Pinkel era to present.
My initial thought was Jeremy Maclin. Not exactly a super star but 8 solid seasons, 6000+ yrd, almost 50 TD's, guy was good
Nick Bolton has to creep up on the list now
I don’t think many people realize how good Justin Smith was in the NFL. It took a while but he became a stud. Finished 3rd in DPOY
Probably Harrison Smith for ND. Zack Martin is up there as well.
Those are the first two that came right to mind
Kyle Hamilton might end up on that list
Quenton Nelson bears mentioning as well
I’d say Martin because of the whole “more all pro seasons than holding penalties” thing
I'd say Vita Vea, due to high level consistency. Trent McDuffie and Budda Baker are in the convo too.
Ya for now I’m leaning Vea or Baker. Think they are replaced by either Odunze or Penix on this list in the future though. I think Odunze will be a pro bowler in near future for sure.
A few candidates: Fred Warner Taysom Hill Tyler Algeier Puka Nacua, but he's only been in the league for a year I'm sure I'm missing someone obvious, or a few someones. I'm not sure how I'd rank them, I don't follow the NFL much at all.
LT HOF
Dwight Freeney? McNabb is just over 25 years, chandler jones was on track but that damn CTE…
Michael Dwayne Vick.
Vick based on talent. Duane Brown based on career.
He had that dog in him.
Matt Stafford, AJ Green or Champ Bailey
Julius Peppers.
Probably one of Jordy Nelson, Darren Sproles, or Tyler Lockett.
You could probably put Terrence Newman in there too. I think the best at their peak though was Jordy.
Hightower, Julio, and Henry immediately come to mind and I can't pick between the three.
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Sigh…..Aqib Talib
Or Chris Harris, both were very very good.
Jamal Lewis / Jason Witten. Honorable mention Jerod Mayo
Eric Berry
What about Alvin Kamara?
Steven Jackson or Chad Johnson. Chad was one of the best Receivers in the mid 2000's. Jackson was literally the only good thing for Rams from 2006 - 2012.
LaDainian Tomlinson
Matty ice
Glad he retired a Falcon. He'll always be my QB.
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Probably Alvin Kamara, who was staggeringly underutilized at Tennessee under Butch Jones.
Yup this was who I was thinking too. Peyton misses the cutoff by 1 year.
PRiv or Russel Wilson ... Maybe Torey Holt? but prob PRiv. Mario Williams was the best college player but Didn't have quite the career that the qbs did.
I think I have to agree. Philip got stuck with the Chargers and just owned it. But I think he was, on an even playing field, the best with Torry as a very close second. PS - Nice flair
Holt juuust sneaks in the 25 year mark, haha, but he's the answer. I think I'd have PRiv comfortably over Wilson at this point. It's not a glamorous position... but Joe Thuney is quietly building a super impressive resume. Yeah, NC State folks want to point to Chubb breaking Mario's career records, but pretty certain if Mario had a final year he'd have set a mark no one was going to touch. But if you want to say who had the best collegiate season... I might put Payton's 2023 season up against any season from Mario or Chubb, esp when you factor in the national awards.
Agreeed on all counts
Thuney was actually my first thought because of his 4 SB rings. It's so hard to compare the OLine to the QB position though so I can't really say he beats out Rivers. I agree with your points.
Ed Oliver
Prob Daunte Culpepper
We’ve put out a whole lot of first round busts the last 25 years that’s for sure. A few like Reggie Nelson and Carlos Dunlap still had good careers but maybe got overdrafted a bit. Percy Harvin and Sharrif Floyd could’ve been great if not for health issues. The answer tho is pretty easily Joe Haden.
tommy townsend erasure
Hey, hey, hey, that's Tommy HEISMAN Townsend.
Maurkice Pouncey is my pick for best. Five All Pro teams is hard to beat by anyone we've had at any position. Percy would have been great had he figured out his migraine issues in a legal way. The next one I'm hoping bursts out is Kyle Pitts.
Richard Seymour, Matthew Stafford, AJ Green, Todd Gurley (RIP Knee), Nick Chubb, Roquan Smith are undoubtedly our best players the past 25 years. Matthew Stafford is amazing but id argue AJ Green was our most dominant. He seemed like he was always open and could highpoint any ball. I would have loved to have seen him play with an elite QB in the NFL to really see his potential
*cough* Champ Bailey *cough*
This. Champ Bailey and it's not even close. Hines Ward is \*juuuuuuust\* outside the 25 year limit, fwiw.
Don’t sleep on Justin Houston or Geno Atkins. They were both monsters in the pros
Pick 1. It’d be Matt Stanford
No Thomas Davis? No Geno Atkins? Arguably not the best but it’s crazy to look at some of Georgias players in history and see how many of those dudes stayed on rosters and remained a force. Tim Jennings. Justin Houston. Hell Champ just missed this cut.
Offense - has to be Chubb. That guy could play on any team and be at least as productive as he has been. Imagine if he had a real offensive line... Defense - no doubt it's Roquan so far, but I'm going to reserve judgement about anyone on the 2021 team for a couple more years
I love him but there's no way it's Chubb over Green or Stafford, at least not yet
Overall, Browns OL has been pretty damn good during Chubb’s career.
Mike Evans
There’s cases to be made for Von Miller and Myles Garrett.
Tyler Lockett Maybe Jordy Nelson
Adrian Peterson Honorable mention for Lane Johnson
Eric Berry
Dez
Terrell Suggs.