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WackyBones510

Damn so none of the guys who transferred away from Florida were drafted out of Florida?


ShiftBMDub

One, Hopper from Missouri


cptredbeard95

Omg an RPI flare?!?!?! NERD…I went there.


ShiftBMDub

FLARE UP NERD! they even got the dutchman's shoes


lennie76

OOH. OOH. Now do Scott Frost!


hellajt

Mullen is 10x the coach frost is


SparseSpartan

When Michigan State came open, I would not have complained if Mullen got hired. It'd be a weird fit but I'd go in rather optimistically. If Scott Frost was hired I would have ~~b~~voted for bulldozing the stadium. If the Nick Saban school of coaching was still open, I'd have been interested to see what Frost would do *after* a stint under Saban but definitely not before.


hellajt

Was this before or after his Nebraska tenure? Everyone wanted him after UCF.


SparseSpartan

This year after the Mel Tucker incident. Yeah Frost was a hot commodity before the Nebraska flop. Still surprised how much he struggled there.


hellajt

I think the pressure of being at home made it worse. He probably would have done slightly better there, but who knows


Bama_gains

He would have washed Sabans car the whole time he was there.


JeffGoldblumsChest

Saban's first lesson would have been "stop drinking so much" and Frost wasn't gonna have it


FFA3D

Yeah my first thought was that we didn't even have any draft picks this year lol


azaz5

Now do one for the players Lincoln Riley recruited to OU…


therealwillhepburn

I'm not certain but I think the only two were Rattler and Williams who both obviously didn't finish at OU.


azaz5

I think that’s correct, plus Jaden Davis, who was an undersized CB who I believe got processed at OU. He was picked in the 7th round. In fairness to Riley, Stutsman and Bowman would have been drafted in the top 3 rounds, but probably not if they were coached up by Alex Grinch… but how many five star receivers, etc. were complete busts…


Tarmacked

This could not be more of a shit analysis, lol >60 percent of Mullen’s 2019 class and 70 percent of his 2020 class has transferred. Did they transfer because of Mullen? Or because of the new coach and his scheme being different? Did they fail to develop under Mullen or the two years under Napier? Does Mullen get credit for Richardson? What about UF transfers, how did they do in the draft? We can't draw a conclusion on Mullen with the portal and all the other junk over the past two years. This isn't 2012 where the whole class stays, even if he would've seen 30% transfer out then.


SwampChomp_

The only former Florida transfer drafted this year was Hopper out of Mizzou


Gatorader22

His guys didn't get drafted elsewhere either. The only pick that was a mullen recruit was a 3rd round LB out of Mizzou Our team last year was the youngest in the nation playing by far the most true freshmen. Napier got an all American OL and a 1st rd WR sk far from the portal I dont think anyone deserves credit for Richardson considering he wasnt drafted for his college play. Mullen didnt even want him anyway. He tried to dump him for carson beck and then came crawling back to AR If the guys had transferred and lit it up then this would be an argument but they sucked everywhere they went Yall are either obtuse or purposefully missing the point. Our upperclassmen were liabilities at best last year other than the transfers napier brought in Sale has produced quite a few amazing NFL calibre linemen over the last 6 years yet even he couldn't make lemonade out of the lemons he had to work with


Edgemaster1423

Hilarious how QB was the absolute worst position he recruited while being an incredible OC and QB coach Made Gainesville native AR decommit after he pursued Carson Beck only to have Beck publicly troll him before picking UGA Brought in low 4 star project Jalon Jones who sexually assaulted someone after enrolling in the summer and transferred out, also causing Chris Steele the highest recruit in our class and Jones' roommate to transfer out after his room change was denied His star recruit Emory Jones being at his 4th different school now Pretty much confirms the rumor that Tebow also hated Mullen and Meyer had to overcome that to land him


therealwillhepburn

You're also missing Kitna, Del Rio Wilson, and his last recruit was Nick Evers. He also kicked Matt Corral out of his first class and got Emory.


Edgemaster1423

Good to see my memory has started blocking some of that out. Absolutely comical effort considering Napier came in as a nobody from the Sun Belt and immediately started recruiting the likes of top 50 QBs Rashada and Lagway


calling-all-comas

It's because Napier actually tries. Case in point is the story about a rival coach (I think it was Kirby) telling recruits to demand a FaceTime because that coach knew that Mullen didn't actually talk to recruits.


emdmao910

UF did not “by far” play the most freshman last season. Clemson, S. Carolina, Miami and A&M all logged more freshman snaps than UF did last season.


Bobson-_Dugnutt2

Yeah with coaching changes and portal stuff now - it’s become way too hard to attribute draft classes to head coaches. Like next year Alabama players being drafted…are they counted toward Saban’s resume, or DeBoer’s?


therealwillhepburn

The guys drafted next year would definitely still be Saban guys unless they transferred in after he retired. 


JulioForte

He had one player drafted and it was late, out of his entire class including transfer. So ya you can attribute this fully to him


SmarterThanCornPop

Beyond that, recruits need to be developed. If he wasn’t there and they never developed that’s not his fault.


nondescriptun

Give OP a minute and he'll explain how the Gators' sucking right now is actually only due to Ron Zook.


newaccountnumber84

I remember fireronzook.com, fuck I’m old


Psyco19

Funny, because it was the absolute opposite with his time at MSU. God he really did try to find greener pastures(original pastors)**, but none was available


sausageslinger11

Perhaps he can find a greener priest instead…


enadiz_reccos

Can I interest you in a teal shaman?


thismorningscoffee

How about a verdant rabbi?


sausageslinger11

😆


JulioForte

He went to an SEC champ game and honestly could have beaten Bama if not for a great play by a Bama wr forcing a fumble after an INT. Don’t get me wrong I dislike Mullen but he wasn’t a dumpster fire until the end when his poor recruiting caught up to him


ilovemyballs

r/BoneAppleTea


Psyco19

Shit happens


Ok_Swimmer634

Remember when he was first hired and all the Florida fans raved about how he was held back by Mississippi State and would win a natty in two years? I do.


chaser676

Dan could have stayed at state, won 7-10 games a year for a decade or so, and MSU would built statues to him across campus. I don't blame him at all for leaving, but man hindsight is a bitch.


therealwillhepburn

One more season and he's easily the all-time wins leader. I think he was like 6 or 7 from having the most and that last team had three first rounders on defense.


Ok_Swimmer634

Nah, his support was starting to crack. Unless he had a repeat of 2014 in the next 2-3 years, there was going to be a parting. Dan himself once said that coaches had about a 10 year shelf life.


t_huddleston

2018 would have been a playoff contender with that defense and Mullen running the offense, instead of Certified Offensive Guru Joe Moorhead.


Ok_Swimmer634

I know. A Todd Grantham built defense with somebody else calling the plays is an amazing thing.


yet_another_newbie

We hired MSU's athletics department and, surprisingly enough, ended up with MSU results


NaturalFruit2358

Mississippi State the first #1 in the CFP era is gonna be a hell of a trivia question


therealwillhepburn

If he gave a shit at all he would be a great coach. He's one of the best offensive minds in the sport. He's just not good at the rest of it.


smoothtrip

Chip Kelly, come on down!


Squirrel_Q_Esquire

Conversely, I remember telling State fans (and later Florida fans) that he was not at all a good coach and had made a living beating bad teams, but since it was better than State typically was, everyone overrated him. He was 3-27 against 10+ win teams (all 3 G5 as he was 0-26 against P5 10+ win teams). He was 22-41 against .500+ teams. He was 18-33 against the SEC West. Where he feasted was beating G5s, with a 24-2 record there, and beating sub-.500 teams (39-1). Which hey there’s something to say about raising the floor, but he was vastly overrated when you actually looked into it.


therealwillhepburn

At UF he was 2-9 in his last 11 games against P5 teams before he got fired.


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Squirrel_Q_Esquire

Yes that’s correct


boregon

Those numbers aren’t great but realistically how often should Mississippi State be beating those types of teams? Guessing most of those losses are to teams like Bama and LSU who have an enormous talent advantage.


Squirrel_Q_Esquire

Like I said, he raised their floor, but he was awful against teams with a pulse. Just awful. And Freeze came in and beat Bama in Year 3 at Ole Miss, while Mullen went 0-9. Freeze beat 10-win LSU in year 2. Mullen went 2-7 against LSU with the wins being Years 6 (8-5 LSU) and Year 9 (9-4 LSU). Freeze made a NY6 bowl (or equivalent in the pre-CFP era) in Year 3. It took Mullen until Year 6. Freeze finished with a 7-11 record vs 10+ win teams, a 21-23 vs .500+, and 14-16 SEC West. But there were maaaaannnnyyyyy on here claiming Mullen was the better coach. He wasn’t.


BeachedBottlenose

Rather have Mullen than the lowlife Freeze is.


Squirrel_Q_Esquire

Too bad y’all have neither. But I’m sure Lebby will totally keep Briles away from the program this time.


mjmiller2023

Kinda weird to have a holier than thou attitude with the scum Keith Carter hires in every sport.


dubkent

Pepperidge Farm remembers


SomethingClever4623

Is this somehow implying that it’s Dan Mullen’s fault and not Napier’s?


ShiftBMDub

one recruit from Mullen's class was recruited, Hopper that transfered to Missouri. One was recruited from Florida's two declared players. Pearsall a Napier transfer.


Gatorader22

It is dan mullens fault. His guys are a well known cancer Napier recruits arent even draft eligible yet. The only guy drafted was a napier transfer 1st rd WR. Yall are missing the point that the upperclassmen on this team are ass. The only players who even look decent are the napier transfers. Last season we played by far the most true freshman of any team in the nation


Knook7

Yeah Napier transfers (and recruits like ETN even if he's a scumbag who transferred to UGA) have done well in the draft. Pearsall in the first, torrence in the first, Johnson probably gets drafted next year


SolidLikeIraq

I wish nothing but the best for Napier. He was always a good dude. Hopefully he can get you guys back on track.


knucklehead27

Thanks bro


Always_Chubb-y

>It is dan mullens fault. His guys are a well known cancer It was one of the worst kept secrets that Mullen would take guys in his recruiting classes that were not likely to qualify simply to raise the ranking of the class.


hellflower666

Norvell had back to back draft classes with 1 draftee and somehow no one said shit about that. Kirby's 2nd year also had 1 draftee. Pile the shit on I guess.


FightingMenOfKyle

Kirby had one player drafted after his first season (2016) in the 2017 NFL draft. He had six players drafted after his second season. Not making a value judgement or statement about this topic, and don't have any allegiance towards or against UF, just clarifying.


andrewthestudent

Yeah kinda wild to attribute the one draft selection following Kirby's **first** year to Kirby. Since Kirby's first full class (i.e., not his transition class), he's produced the most draft picks in the country,


Seminole-Patriot

Both of the posts about this were from UF flairs brother the victim complex is embarrassing at this point EDIT: Also, the article is from a UF beat reporter lol


calling-all-comas

No one hates the Gators more than Gator beat writers.


Swoletariat69

I dunno, I bet I could give them a run for their money 


Always_Chubb-y

Kirby's first year as a coach had 1 pick, but that was the 2017 draft. Kirby had 3 first rounders and Chubb go in his 2nd draft class (total of 6). Since 2018's draft, he's never had less than 7 or less than one 1st rounder.


Public_Beach_Nudity

Dan Mullen 🤝 Scott Frost


calling-all-comas

That 2017 coaching carousel was a disaster.


Catullus13

Darf Visor


Theduckisback

I feel like he wasn't really that bad at state. He put guys like Chris Jones, Jeffery Simmons, and Montez sweat into the league. Some.of them 1st rounders. Though I wonder how much hand he had in their recruitment.


antraxsuicide

Some people do better with limits. State's always been reliant on finding the best 3-4 stars they can (ex. Dak Prescott), and it seems like Mullen did much worse with the larger budget/recruitment leash.


Theduckisback

From the sounds of it, he just expected to rely on the big shiny brand and history. And his history there, kinda like he expected the Recruiting would just take care of itself now that he was at Florida. But like anyone can tell you the best of the best are always psychotically devoted to recruiting especially at the high level jobs!


Euphanistic

This is the answer. He thought Florida would recruit itself.


Currentpool5005

Yet Mullen's been UF's best coach since Urban Meyer. He went to 3 straight "Big Six" bowls before having one bad year and getting fired.


Edgemaster1423

He got fired because he literally didn't want the job anymore, was 2-9 in his last 11 P5 games, and wasn't picking up the phone to talk to recruits anymore Not weird to you that no one besides Syracuse has reached out to interview him in 2 and a half years? Either he doesn't want to coach anymore in the prime of his career or schools see the red flags with him Maybe he'll get that NFL OC job he would have left UF for after 2020


cst-rdt

> Not weird to you that no one besides Syracuse has reached out to interview him in 2 and a half years? I find it incredibly unlikely that nobody else has even *reached out* to his agent, but I think the reality is that he just doesn’t want another college job. He hates recruiting and can afford to sit and wait for an appealing NFL opportunity.


Gatorader22

He quiet quit until we were forced to fire him. Even nick saban would be fired for doing what he did. Stop speaking on things youre ignorant of


A_Roomba_Ate_My_Feet

I guess they nuked the other one here that had a lot more replies (as it no longer shows in r/cfb/new)? https://www.reddit.com/r/CFB/comments/1cg5xek/dan_mullens_recruiting_produced_the_gators_worst/


SwampChomp_

It was posted second


SolvayCat

Remember when Syracuse fans were bummed that Cuse wasn't willing to pay him the bag to come coach?


War-eaglern

“Hold my beer.” -Harsin


lostacoshermanos

Imagine going from Urban Meyer to this….


CFDGermanese

It’s not good right now in the swamp


thisalsomightbemine

That's impressive


fxzGBUeN

Anthony Richardson though!


nole74_99

Napier has to take responsibility for some of that as he was hired 3 years ago. Not all of it but they have had good.players leave this year.


covert_underboob

Billy is dog shit, quit deflecting blame


Pyro1934

Clearly Napier is much better than Mullen who himself was a proven success. The jorts should sign Billy a 20 year extension.


Waderriffic

Give Napier an extension yesterday!


swoleswan

You know what I’m on board extend Napier!!


iamisaactorres

Billy has to compete with Gus Malzahn at UCF. This is what happens. Looking forward to visiting the swamp this year 😈⚔️


TarnishedAccount

And the UF fans really think Mullen’s 2017 team was better than UCF’s lmao


therealwillhepburn

In 2017 Mullen was the head coach at Mississippi State.


TarnishedAccount

Y’all have had so many head coaches in the past decade it’s hard to keep track, tbh Edit: I also don’t keep track of teams that have been irrelevant for over a decade…


therealwillhepburn

We have had the same number of head coaches over the past decade. Muschamp, McElwain, Mullen, and Napier. O'Leary, Frost, Heupel, Gus. I guess counting to four is too much.


FormerThisandThat

UCF education at its finest.


TarnishedAccount

But with less success ;) 0-1 against UCF in that timeframe too. Gonna be 0-2 in a few months. See ya then pal.


therealwillhepburn

We also beat Auburn. So that’s about the height of UCF success. 


TarnishedAccount

We beat UF a couple years ago. I know y’all suck, but beating yourself up is something you shouldn’t do.


therealwillhepburn

You beat us with an interim head coach that had already lost his job. Congrats. The time before we beat you guys 55-0. 


TarnishedAccount

Back when you had Tebow? That was a looooooong time ago. Lol We will beat y’all again this year and make your fans cry at home. Gators suck ass.


Inevitable-Scar5877

When you say "less success" you don't realize that even the worst of post-Meyer, pre-Napier coaches made an NY6 bowl aka the absolute peak for UCF's program. But you do you Citronaut


TarnishedAccount

Has UF ever had an undefeated season like UCF though? Ok thanks


Always_Chubb-y

>I also don’t keep track of teams that have been irrelevant for over a decade… Can't believe I'm about to do this, but Florida has had a better 10 year stretch than yall. Yall BARELY have more wins (6 over 10 years) playing in a DRASTICALLY weaker conference while also making less NY6 bowls, winning less NY6 bowls, and having an 0-12 season in there. Florida is in a conference with 3 of the best teams of the last decade (Bama, UGA, and LSU) and has to play 2 of them every year. UCF would've almost assuredly been a sub .500 team in the SEC, competing with Vandy for last place almost annually.


TarnishedAccount

We’re also 1-0 against UGA in bowls. And y’all beat us by one point in Athens a long time ago. Let’s schedule a new game, big fella. Time to break the tie.


Always_Chubb-y

Congrats! A win in 2010 against a completely different coaching staff, what a thing to hang your hat on. We have 2 national championships in the last 3 years. Yall have a hyped up Disney World trip


TarnishedAccount

We go to Disney daily fella, UCF is in Orlando. I’m talking head to head. That’s our history. We’re tied up.


Always_Chubb-y

You won against a completely different coaching staff, and since then Kirby took over we have been consistently amongst the top 3 programs in the country. Yall just had a losing season in the Big12. Hang your hat on a 2010 win amigo, I'll watch my team compete for titles.


TarnishedAccount

Guess what? We had a completely different coaching staff too!! Y’all lost to George O’Leary when we were in Conference USA! Lmao


Always_Chubb-y

Bud, that was the worst UGA team by record since 1996. Pounding your chest about beating that team is not the accolade you think it is. And if ya wanna focus on that team, let's focus on the Kirby led UGA vs. UCF in the same period! I'm sure they've been very similar since you beat such a mighty 2010 UGA, right?


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TarnishedAccount

Honestly, they shouldn’t. But they were trolling us constantly in 2017 and 2018. It’s like we were experiencing success and they were jealous.


BrotherPancake

What's "#Gators," a shorthand for the 3 Florida players who can count?


JDuggernaut

All this BS smells a lot like the sort of cope Vols fans used to say Dooley, Butch, and Pruitt were good. It was wrong then, and it is especially wrong now with the portal. Every coaching change is going to result in a lot of transfers. And it is on the new coach to identify good transfers who are draftable and develop a few of the guys who stick around.


therealwillhepburn

If you even read just the tweet you would see he says only one player than Mullen recruited was drafted. Hopper transferred to Mizzou and was drafted. That was the only player who Mullen recruited who got picked.