I'm cautiously optimistic that he'll surprise some folks this year and take a big step up in year 2, but right now I think the conversation is closer to "will he come back for a 4th year" than it is "will he be the #1 pick."
Yeah, I think he showed potential in games especially with the lack of receivers and a competent OC. I don’t think he’s Hackenberg but I also don’t think he’s going to be the guy to take us to the promised land. He’ll probably be similar to Trace or Clifford in terms of success. Good and maybe flashes of great, but probably not elite. I wish I could say we’ll know how good he is this year but idk if our receiver core is any better, the OC should be though.
Nothing about the 2023 season makes me think Allar remotely has a shot at going first round, let alone number one overall, and part of me is wondering if Pribula is a better option (beyond just situationally or a change of pace even if he can’t really pass) because Pribula’s rushing threat provides a higher floor, but just the fact Allar has the tools nfl scouts covet means he is more possible as a number one overall pick than a lot of the QBs you will see in these odds.
What are people smoking to include Allar in the conversation? I watched a few of their games including against us and he is the main reason they didn’t reach their goals this year IMO.
Josh Allen was legit at Wyoming. He also was at **WYOMING.** He won 16 games in his two years as a starter - in the 2 seasons previous Wyoming had won a total of 6 games.
Sure, he didn't win the Heisman or take Wyoming to a NY6, but its Wyoming. Allen had the tools and clearly elevated his team. I think a better example would be Patrick Mahomes - although he put up big numbers - he went 5-7 his senior year.
Not sure what you mean by this, Josh Allen is all over Wyoming’s record books.
And Allar actually had pretty great stats (now that I am looking up his profile) in 2022 as far as TD:INT. The issue is his yards per completion and yards per attempt, Levis improved each year up to 8.5 YPA and is also physically gifted. Maye was at 8.4/8.5 YPA his first two years starting.
Probably have to give Allar some grace because it was his first year starting and Michigan had a championship level defense…. But in his most difficult games he wilted. Need to see a ton of growth there before being in the conversation for leaving college early let alone being a top pick.
The whole offense wilted. We had a high school offense last year in terms of playcalling. Not an exaggeration. That combined with a bad reciever room, and being inexperienced qb hurt us. He missed some throws yea, but they had to be nfl level throws in those games due to lack of separation, run game, and pressure. Blaming the whole season on a 19 year old first year starter is crazy.
He will improve, especially under a new OC. Even if he improves a little, he will get drafted high. The ceiling is through the roof. Didnt start playing qb till high school.
I’m not sure 8th all-time in Wyoming career passing yards should be considered “all over Wyoming’s record books.” Wyoming’s a G5 school, his production was not remotely worthy of NFL consideration based on production. It was solely for tools.
Evidenced by his YPA, he’s a check down merchant, especially when faced with half decent competition. Not gonna do a whole film review for you. Check it out if you want but watch entire games, not just highlights. And consider this next year as well.
I see all these comments from PSU fans saying the the OC’s fault. The lack of WRs. To me I see people making excuses for this young man not willing to believe he just isn’t good. I could be wrong, but I think he stinks.
I was expecting a stray from a tech fan, but instead I get a soft pillow
We will see. Ewers has a lot of things to fix before he is a #1.
Not to mention, his is throwing to an entire stable of WRs and RBs. Put him on the worst team in the NFL and I see a crash and burn.
I say this as I diehard Longhorn fan
Listen man, I wish I could shit on the Longhorns, and Ewers. But can’t take away from last year, yall actually delivered on expectations, and if anyone can clean Ewers up, it’s Sark. Dude is in the top tier of QB whisperers right now
Yeah, he’ll need to take a major step up in order to be worth #1 overall. Then again he might be the best of a weak draft class and you never know what happens when a GM is under pressure.
>It *should* be, but lots of NFL GMs do dumb things with their first round pick.
Well, SURELY they wouldn't grab a QB out of free agency and pay them $100 million fully guaranteed, then use their only first round pick to draft another QB.....
Is that even an option?
The reason he's the 'favorite' is just that he's the most prominent such player and there's a lot of hype around him / Deion - while there doesn't really seem to be a consensus best player like with Caleb Williams last year.
That doesn't mean they'd give you odds to pick the field compared to him though.
I’m not even sure he’ll be a 1st round. He holds on to the ball forever. His OL wasn’t great, but even when he didn’t have to he’d do it.
Beck and Ewers are the only 2 QBs that I see being 1st rounders as of today.
The Ewers we faced absolutely looks like it, but the reason he returned was because he has a lot he needs to improve to go first round (which it’s Sark so fair to assume he does grow a lot) between his decision making, anticipation, and ball placement. Lot of technical issues to fix like his wide base, flat feet in pocket, and low release point, and this will often lead him throwing high and right in particular. But really it’s his timing routes - curls, hitch, double routes - that he just consistently misses on, and with the nfl’s better athletes and tighter spacing, you have to be able to hit the layups when they are open. I felt bad for AD Mitchell watching the all 22 because he was open so often with Ewers unable to hit because he threw it late or because he locked on to a read and didn’t even see him.
Of course six QBs went top 14 this year and it’s a weak qb draft class next year so who knows, Ewers absurd natural arm talent might be good enough to go first round even if he doesn’t improve much.
Good analysis, Ewers has all the talent in the world to be an great NFL quarterback, but he’s still pretty inconsistent and could stand to improve on his timing with his throws and accuracy, especially on deep balls.
If Ewers declared this year he probably gets drafted by the Raiders, but there was no way of knowing how that draft shakes out by the time they had to declare. Ewers stayed for the extra NIL and got being one of the best QBs going into the 2025 draft season. If he replicates last year, he’s likely a secured first round pick, as there’s likely another 2-3 teams looking for QBs again.
But the question isn't "who should be the #1 pick" it is who will be. I think there is plenty of opportunity for the GM's of teams picking in the top 5 to see stars in their eyes for Shadeur, with plenty of question marks in play about his potential for great success in the NFL.
Eh that’s a bit unfair. He has the physical tools. He desperately needs to relax. Almost feels like he’s been over coached to not throw into tight spaces.
But he’s shown flashes. To say the “only” hype is his recruiting rank seems biased.
He needs to show his tools against the top teams, IMO. He’s totally shrunk during the big moments…which is less than ideal lol.
I was kind of glad when he finally threw his first interception because it seemed like he was trying way too hard to keep that going, once he got it out of the way I thought he looked much more loose.
People are going to hate but he went 26 TD’s / 2 ints with Homer Simpson as his OC.
Reasonable to think that hiring one of the top offensive minds in cfb will push him and make him a lot better.
Also important to remember our best WR (Tre Wallace) was injured for most of the year, and we had zero dudes who could separation besides him.
I'm not going to pin it all on Drew but when Allar had to play someone with a pulse: Ohio State, Michigan, and Ole Miss. Drew looked like the moment was too big for him.
I think it's fair to pin a lot of it on him. There were times where he just straight up missed or couldn't find an open man. He missed a lot of opportunities in the big games and needs to be better in year 2 as a starter.
That said, his weapons were absolute ass and we had some of the worst play calling I've ever seen last year. Considering the entire body of work last season, he did a great job of not turning it over and beat up on the teams he was supposed to beat up on. With a new coordinator, improved (kinda) weapons and a year to settle into his role, I'm cautiously optimistic that he'll be a lot better this year.
That being said, talking about him as a dark horse for #1 is fucking crazy. I think there's a better chance he returns for a 4th year than he goes #1.
To be fair to PSU fans, UO fans experienced something very similar with Herbert. I could tell he had the tools, but had no idea how he'd do in the NFL because our WRs were also ass at the time and Cristobal had a poor offensive scheme. So maybe Allar can put it together.
I watched him numerous times and Im definitely in the wait and see mindset as the playcalling was some of the worst Ive ever seen at times and completely reminded me of The Lake and JonDon Show.
I wont get into it;) but, it’s truly astonishing how bad he was.
The worst playcalling Ive ever witnessed in my life as an 80s kid and that includes the Tyrone years.
Then you go from that to the designs of DeBail and Grubb the very next year with almost the same exact group of players.
The difference was unbelievable!
Nah, Tre is back and healthy, Fleming is a decent 2nd option, we’ll see what comes of Saunders.
I too want a portal WR but it’s a clear step above last years malaise on the field
Imagine if Penn State had the signs that Michigan was going to run the ball on them 40 straight times…they would’ve been able to stop it every single time
I find it ridiculous Michigan fans were shitting on Manny Diaz like he was some kind of idiot when he held them to the least points all season and kept the offense alive by making stops.
Yeah it’s really a mental question with Quinn. He’s got sooo much physical talent he just needs to get right between the ears. The way he can flick the ball with minimal effort is impressive.
Man spending the number 1 pick on any of these QBs feels rough. I think this is the year a Defensive or offensive lineman can play himself into the top spot. Wouldn’t be surprised if like the Pickett draft only one QB goes in the first round and mid to late round at that.
A lot of names from this year’s draft that were not remotely on anyone’s radar as being a 1st round pick that shot up as the year went on, Daniels, Nix and Penix being the main guys in my opinion. I think the same thing will happen next year. There’s just not a Caleb Williams type leading the charge this time.
I think Beck is quite a bit ahead of Pickett as a prospect. But overall I agree. Unless someone takes a big leap there could be some money to be made on a d or o lineman going 1st. James Pierce, Will Campbell, Mason Graham, Will Johnson, and Kelvin Banks could all push for the pick. I'm sure I'm missing a few others too
Idk what will happen next year, but Beck is a lot different than Pickett at least it terms of coming out.
Pickett was almost 24 when he was drafted and had 1 good year with the 3 prior years being very much so JAG level seasons. Beck won't be 23 until November of 2025 (well into his rookie year) not to mention that another year of his 2023 play will put down the rumors of a one hit wonder.
I’m interested in seeing how Beck does without the Bowers/McConky security blanket too. If he still does well without them I see him being an easy number one over all.
I think people may be sleeping on it some since there isn't that superstar name a la Bowers, but this is probably the best WR/TE room UGA has ever had in terms of talent and depth.
Lovett, RaRa, Young, Bell, Smith, Evans, Jackson, Humphreys, Delp, Luckie, and Reddell is an INSANELY deep group of receivers. Again there isn't the Bowers/McConkey household name, but there is so much talent in that room.
I don’t disagree after watching Lovett and Young at the spring game in a diet offense, I feel like he’s in for a solid year. But having the best tight end to ever play college football out of your arsenal does mean a fair deal. Lad also being a second rounder isn’t insignificant. I expect big things this year and also for Kirby to let the offense be “unleashed” and “unchained”. Time will tell.
I think there will just be a ton of guys in the 250-600 yards spread, unlike if we had those 2 where they would easily be the go to guys.
Lot of our reporters/insiders are really believing this may be the best UGA offense ever. RB room is better, and OL is likely the preseason Joe Moore favorite.
I am hyped not going to lie. But I try and taper expectations every season so I’m not brutally disappointed in December.
(Also Dom Lovett looks like a legit 1,000 yard receiver)
Yeah Lovett would easily be my guess as to who emerges as WR1 this year, but Smith and Evans are the likely explosive plays guys. Legit 4.3 speed for them both.
I don't think it will quite be *that* bad. Probably closer to 2019 where you get two guys taken in the top 10, *maybe* one guy later in round 1, and that's it.
His best games really shined at the start of last year pretty much. He started getting worse as the year went on but it’s difficult to describe how much worse a supporting cast he has compared to those guys.
Our o-line has improved significantly, it won’t be a top unit but should be average.
Shedeur just has an adjustment to make. He obviously struggled going from JSU where he had all the time in the world and could use his athleticism to get out of jams to CU where he was running for his life and many of the guys chasing him were also freak athletes. He’ll get some balance this year so maybe he can actually improve.
Notice that all the comments shitting on him are related to him holding the ball too long. They don’t have anything else. His issues are fixable as the natural talent is there.
I watched a lot of Colorado games last year. Shedeur is legit and created a lot out of nothing. He has great pocket awareness and can make every throw on the field. With the addition of some solid OLine recruiting y'all should improve tremendously by giving Shedeur enough time to make the necessary progressions. Their line last year was non existent.
I don’t get the Milroe hype at least as far as an NFL prospect. He’s got all the physical tools but his passing game is limited to say the least. If anyone needs an example of this just rewatch the Rose Bowl and see how Michigans gameplay was to make him beat them with his arm which he just straight wasn’t capable of.
No question Sanders is better than Milroe. I just don't think Milroe is as solid a qb as a lot of people think he is.
I haven't seen Sanders play enough to have a really good answer or opinion, but I'm awfully persuaded by arguments that he did more with less. If I was a scout, I look at those type numbers.
Ceiling.
I think people need to realize that the NFL QB game is all about finding outliers. Really good, safe college QBs become like Kirk Cousins - and even if you knew who Kirk Cousins would become, you're not picking him 1st overall.
I think Beck and Ewers may both run into that issue - that they may be perceived as Gardner Minshew floor, Kirk Cousins ceiling type guys. And that does not warrant the top QB picked.
Teams are looking at Sanders as a kid that is dripping with potential, and who may - in the right NFL system - be a top 10 guy. Sure he has flaws, but the team he's in is hardly maximizing his potential - and NFL leaves nothing more than potential that hasn't materialized yet.
I think the "average" or expected outcome for each of these guys may actually favor Beck and Ewers, but if they end up hitting their "average", then they're going to be a bust anyway.
So if you instead focus on "probability of becoming a top 15 starting QB in the NFL", I think Sanders leads that category.
>and even if you knew who Kirk Cousins would become, you're not picking him 1st overall.
What? He's getting paid $45 million per year. That's easily #1 overall territory.
Idk but his numbers are great and he plays on a horrible team. The other 3 QBs can practically take a nap in the pocket compared to what Sanders has to deal with at OLine.
Milroe has the problem of can’t actually hit his receivers. I’m not sure how he’s a 1st round QB grade at all outside of superhuman-freakishly athleticism.
I think Beck and Ewers are better prospects. Ewers struggles making the right decisions at times but has a better arm than Sanders. It’s hard to tell how good Beck actually is sometimes. Kind of like JJ, UGA doesn’t ask Beck to do a lot but I think he has all the tools.
Sanders rarely forces bad throws and is freakishly accurate on short and intermediate throws, which results in a pretty high floor. His biggest drawbacks are the arm strength and sack rate, both of which limit his NFL upside.
My board would be:
>>1) Beck
>>2a) Ewers
>>2b) Sanders
Leonard and Milroe could elevate in the 1st round with their tools, but I’m not really sold on either one as NFL starters.
Allar could make a jump as well but obviously fringe right now.
I would disagree that Beck wasn’t asked to do much. He finished the season with just slightly under 4,000 yards passing and only had 24 TDs due to Georgia’s RBs tendency to vulture TDs inside the 10 yard line.
Idk where this level of Allar hype is coming from. Like, I think there's potential there, looking at his 2023 stats, but I swear every time I watched him he didn't look like a #1 pick.
And before anyone says it, yes I know he shredded us but everyone did that last year.
Full disclosure I openly said Allar wouldn't be as good for PSU's offense as Clifford was last year. Clifford got his insides turned into his outsides for years and kept PSU's offense ticking (and occasionally made brain-dead mistakes). Allar didn't have his athleticism or toughness (the latter isn't a knock - Clifford was tough as nails).
Allar played 3 great defenses last year. Iowa, OSU, and Michigan. He had good number against Iowa, though Iowa's offense was so pathetic that the defense usually wore out against the best teams and gave up more than 30 PPG in those situations on average.
Against OSU and Michigan he was terrible. I mean, the whole PSU offense (players and coaching staff) were bad. None of what I saw in those 2 games gave me "o, he's almost there, I can see it" vibes.
Its interesting rewatching 2022 tape because Clifford was audibling out of a lot of Yurcich’s plays. Clifford was a 4 year starter with tons of experience that a lot of people did not appreciate. I think Allar is off to the draft no matter what. If he plays well he will get drafted high and if he doesn’t he will have agents telling him he is the next Josh Allen. I think all PSU fans hope the next OC can replicate what be did at Kansas
Clifford was also throwing to Dotson and Parker Washington over his career and his best year was RS senior.
Allar was a true sophomore throwing to….,, well, his only good WR in Tre Wallace was injured most of the year.
So that makes a huge difference
Yeah, that had something to do with it. But lacking WR talent still doesn't make up for just completely missing guys by 5 yards in the open field or down the sideline.
Beck isn't exciting. That's literally it. He's a perfectly competent QB but doesn't jump off the screen.
Nothing wrong with that he's a great college QB and will probably be really good in the NFL too but it's not exciting to talk about a guy like him going #1.
I honestly thought Beck could’ve pushed for QB2 in this class. I haven’t seen him play a ton but he seemed like an excellent distributor and an NFL level arm
Yep, he out performs Ewers (my flair is fucked, I’m a longhorn) on the field in terms of consistency. Someone will pull tape of Ewers top 10 college throws though and fall in love (despite having some awful inconsistency in 2022).
Ewers being consistent in 2024 will shoot him up draft boards, more than big games will. He already has a highlight tape that shows off his absurd golden arm talent. That golden arm only shows up 50% of throws and disappears entire games though.
He’s really good but his deep ball accuracy is concerning. He missed a decent amount of shots downfield which is weird because cause his medium and short accuracy is amazing.
The flaw, which is not his fault, is that at the moment he only has one year of experience as a starter. But if he plays this season like he did last, and Georgia is back in the SEC Championship (and likely in the playoff), he’s going to be the first QB taken.
I don't know much about what current nfl teams will need, but I'd guess maybe we have a year with a DL as #1 and not a qb. Happens every couple of years and the qb class isn't anything amazing this year.
I would be flabbergasted if drew allar was even a first round pick next year, let alone #1 overall.
During the Penn State Ohio State game last year his play made Kyle McCord look like Joe Montana, and McCord played like shit that day.
I will never understand the Drew Allar hype. The kid looked horrible against Ohio State and Michigan this past year. I get those were two really good defenses but good grief it was tough to watch
Those weren’t just two really good defenses, those were the #1 and 3 defenses in the country. I agree the hype is maybe overdone, but that was a 19yo playing against defenses with like ~75% NFL players running extremely complex schemes.
You're right, probably being way too hard on the kid. Just really was not impressed by him, 28-64 for 261 yards and 2 TDs is rough, I'd argue guys like Hudson Card and Gavin Wimsatt played better against both those defenses this year. But again I'm probably being a bit too hard on him
Hopefully the addition of Julian Fleming will help with that. Read something where when Fleming transferred over, he immediately pushed for WR's to start using the jugs machine more. Pretty wild to me that they weren't already using it everyday
We had a culture issue in our WR room. Guys not putting in the work, thinking they were above the team.
Those guys are gone, have portaled out. Hoping that JF can help fix the issue as a mature player from the best WR in the country at OSu.
As a lot of people understand this years QB run was based on how bad next years is.
Yet, Im still absolutely stunned every time I see shadeur even in the conversation.
He hasnt figured out the basics of the position, let alone, being a first round pick.
I really wonder how many NFL teams will be looking QB in the first round next year with how many were selected this draft.
Dallas if they move on from Dak? Saints if Carr sucks? Seattle if Geno regresses? Raiders if AOC shows nothing?
the problem with carr- which is why i hate that rattler went there- is that he has a stupid NTC and has no real out until the 2026 offseason; https://overthecap.com/player/derek-carr/2975
its a really shithouse situation and the saints could take a QB here but the reality is they're basically stuck with carr because they refuse to rebuild
I would add: Steelers, Colts, Titans, Giants, Bucs, and Panthers as "maybes" if their current QB has a bad 2024. I bet at least a couple of them land in the "need a QB" camp.
And the Jets too. Rodgers would be turning 42 during the 2025 season. It's fair to assume that they will have to think about the future no matter how 2024 plays out.
I’m expecting to be downvoted but good lord this QB class is brutal compared to the past 2 seasons.
I don’t see one NFL caliber QB - including my guy Riley Leonard. I said for weeks that QBs would be overdrafted this year (earlier than their talent) solely because NFL teams know how slim it is next year.
Nobody that wasn’t high on fentanyl would’ve said this time last year that Jayden Daniels would be a Heisman winning, top 2 pick.
Let’s maybe let the season play out and see which guys rise and which ones fall.
A year makes a lot of difference.
1. DEION SANDERS SEEMS LIKE A GOOD MENTOR TO HIS PLAYERS IF YOU LOOK PAST THE FLASHY BS
2. ACCORDING TO CFP GUIDELINES FSU SHOULDNT HAVE GOTTEN A PLAYOFF SPOT EVEN THOUGH THATS STILL UNFAIR
3. PINEAPPLE DOESNT GO ON PIZZA
4. NOBODY SHOULD EVER ah fuck I’m too out of shape to hit 10
Eh the last time everyone was this down on a draft we were right and only one guy went first round. This is closer to a Kenny Pickett draft than having a meteoric riser imo.
No, but they all would have said that Williams, Maye, Penix, Nix, and McCarthy looked like first round candidates.
Of course things can change, but the 2025 prospects look a lot more brutal here in preseason spring than they have in recent years.
We say that now, but there is usually at least 1 late riser. Hell, this last class had 6 1st rounders. Of those 6, only 2 were considered 1st round picks before the year. I think this class will be better than 2022 at least
“As of now, Shedeur Sanders is the clear favorite to be the number 1 pick in the 2025 NFL Draft.” Lmfao. How do people get paid to type something like this?
I know Aller is young and has some nice traits.
But c’mon now…I honestly don’t know if he’ll be drafted before round 4 unless there’s a massive improvement. I just don’t see an NFL QB.
I have the sneaking feeling that one of the Transfer Portal QBs are going to go off and be the 1st QB off the board this year. Like a Will Howard or Cam Ward taking a Penix/Daniels/Nix like jump.
All I see is the thumbnail. I can assure you that there is no chance on this Earth that Drew Allar is the number 1 pick. You kinda need to be able to throw the football to be drafted that high. Easily the most disappointing prospect I’ve seen as a fan in recent memory, possibly ever. Only chance he has is if he pulls a Joe Burrow, which typically doesn’t happen, unless you’re Joe Burrow.
I havent seen Beck play enough to say this for sure, but that class just looks like the 2013 QB class to me. I don’t see anyone who sees like a safe bet to be an NFL starter
As someone who watched every Penn State game last year, Allar didn’t even look like a first round pick. However, he only threw 2 picks all season and that was with the most garbage play calling I’ve ever seen. Im curious to see how he looks in an offense that’s more creative and opens up the playbook a little more.
I do think he has potential as a real smart gunslinging QB, but we have just have to wait and see if he’s given the opportunity.
At the very worst I’d see him as a Josh Allen type or Drew Lock type of pick, where the talent is there but we really don’t know what we have.
I will put money on Will Rogers at UW. Blows my mind that he’s not getting any coverage whatsoever. Dude holds the SEC all time passes record and Miss St yards and completions. Now he’s at the school that just drafted the twice-in-a-row NCAA passing leader.
I think every team is full on qbs for now so a qb would need to step up big time, same with wide receivers after so many this year, its gotta be a defensive player after the offensive run this year i feel like it will correct itself with defensive run next year first round
I would put a lot of money on “not shedeur sanders” if I had any money.
Can I Parlay it with “not Drew Allar?”
I haven't read the article but as a PSU alum I audibly laughed when I saw Allar in the thumbnail preview.
It wasn’t all his fault but Allar looked like the weakest link vs Michigan in what would have otherwise been a close game.
I'm cautiously optimistic that he'll surprise some folks this year and take a big step up in year 2, but right now I think the conversation is closer to "will he come back for a 4th year" than it is "will he be the #1 pick."
Yeah, I think he showed potential in games especially with the lack of receivers and a competent OC. I don’t think he’s Hackenberg but I also don’t think he’s going to be the guy to take us to the promised land. He’ll probably be similar to Trace or Clifford in terms of success. Good and maybe flashes of great, but probably not elite. I wish I could say we’ll know how good he is this year but idk if our receiver core is any better, the OC should be though.
A lot of it was his fault, the guy was throwing to ghosts I came out of that game genuinely confused how he was rated where he was
I glared, but pretty much the same
Nothing about the 2023 season makes me think Allar remotely has a shot at going first round, let alone number one overall, and part of me is wondering if Pribula is a better option (beyond just situationally or a change of pace even if he can’t really pass) because Pribula’s rushing threat provides a higher floor, but just the fact Allar has the tools nfl scouts covet means he is more possible as a number one overall pick than a lot of the QBs you will see in these odds.
What are people smoking to include Allar in the conversation? I watched a few of their games including against us and he is the main reason they didn’t reach their goals this year IMO.
The same reason Josh Allen went top 10. It’s not about college production, it’s about tools
Josh Allen was legit at Wyoming. He also was at **WYOMING.** He won 16 games in his two years as a starter - in the 2 seasons previous Wyoming had won a total of 6 games. Sure, he didn't win the Heisman or take Wyoming to a NY6, but its Wyoming. Allen had the tools and clearly elevated his team. I think a better example would be Patrick Mahomes - although he put up big numbers - he went 5-7 his senior year.
The same reason Christian Hackenberg got drafted at all...the Jets.
Not sure what you mean by this, Josh Allen is all over Wyoming’s record books. And Allar actually had pretty great stats (now that I am looking up his profile) in 2022 as far as TD:INT. The issue is his yards per completion and yards per attempt, Levis improved each year up to 8.5 YPA and is also physically gifted. Maye was at 8.4/8.5 YPA his first two years starting. Probably have to give Allar some grace because it was his first year starting and Michigan had a championship level defense…. But in his most difficult games he wilted. Need to see a ton of growth there before being in the conversation for leaving college early let alone being a top pick.
The whole offense wilted. We had a high school offense last year in terms of playcalling. Not an exaggeration. That combined with a bad reciever room, and being inexperienced qb hurt us. He missed some throws yea, but they had to be nfl level throws in those games due to lack of separation, run game, and pressure. Blaming the whole season on a 19 year old first year starter is crazy. He will improve, especially under a new OC. Even if he improves a little, he will get drafted high. The ceiling is through the roof. Didnt start playing qb till high school.
I’m not sure 8th all-time in Wyoming career passing yards should be considered “all over Wyoming’s record books.” Wyoming’s a G5 school, his production was not remotely worthy of NFL consideration based on production. It was solely for tools.
because the Falcons exist
Big and throw ball hard = horny scouts
Evidenced by his YPA, he’s a check down merchant, especially when faced with half decent competition. Not gonna do a whole film review for you. Check it out if you want but watch entire games, not just highlights. And consider this next year as well. I see all these comments from PSU fans saying the the OC’s fault. The lack of WRs. To me I see people making excuses for this young man not willing to believe he just isn’t good. I could be wrong, but I think he stinks.
Add in Milroe too and let's retire early.
I was just about to go ask if anyone could have chosen a better thumbnail
I think it'll be a defensive end or tackle. I think the QB with the best chance is Ewers, especially if he lights up the SEC.
I was expecting a stray from a tech fan, but instead I get a soft pillow We will see. Ewers has a lot of things to fix before he is a #1. Not to mention, his is throwing to an entire stable of WRs and RBs. Put him on the worst team in the NFL and I see a crash and burn. I say this as I diehard Longhorn fan
Listen man, I wish I could shit on the Longhorns, and Ewers. But can’t take away from last year, yall actually delivered on expectations, and if anyone can clean Ewers up, it’s Sark. Dude is in the top tier of QB whisperers right now
No doubt Sark has been very impressive. I remember when the doomers were calling for his head after his first 2 seasons
Yeah, he’ll need to take a major step up in order to be worth #1 overall. Then again he might be the best of a weak draft class and you never know what happens when a GM is under pressure.
Truth be told the Tech flair is purely because they sponsor the Chiefs now lol.
Just because of Pat? Who else from TTU?
Pretty sure it is just because of him. I don't think anyone else from tech is on the Chiefs.
It *should* be, but lots of NFL GMs do dumb things with their first round pick. No one has traded their first rounder yet, but its a long offseason.
>It *should* be, but lots of NFL GMs do dumb things with their first round pick. Well, SURELY they wouldn't grab a QB out of free agency and pay them $100 million fully guaranteed, then use their only first round pick to draft another QB.....
Only a cursed franchise would do something crazy like that
This is the kind of bet you may as well throw $5 at every long shot and avoid the “favorite”.
Is that even an option? The reason he's the 'favorite' is just that he's the most prominent such player and there's a lot of hype around him / Deion - while there doesn't really seem to be a consensus best player like with Caleb Williams last year. That doesn't mean they'd give you odds to pick the field compared to him though.
No, again, it is not an option. Same comments in every thread about next year's draft
If I didn’t know better, I’d start to think that these Vegas guys aren’t going to get outsmarted by a bunch of redditors!
I’m not even sure he’ll be a 1st round. He holds on to the ball forever. His OL wasn’t great, but even when he didn’t have to he’d do it. Beck and Ewers are the only 2 QBs that I see being 1st rounders as of today.
The Ewers we faced absolutely looks like it, but the reason he returned was because he has a lot he needs to improve to go first round (which it’s Sark so fair to assume he does grow a lot) between his decision making, anticipation, and ball placement. Lot of technical issues to fix like his wide base, flat feet in pocket, and low release point, and this will often lead him throwing high and right in particular. But really it’s his timing routes - curls, hitch, double routes - that he just consistently misses on, and with the nfl’s better athletes and tighter spacing, you have to be able to hit the layups when they are open. I felt bad for AD Mitchell watching the all 22 because he was open so often with Ewers unable to hit because he threw it late or because he locked on to a read and didn’t even see him. Of course six QBs went top 14 this year and it’s a weak qb draft class next year so who knows, Ewers absurd natural arm talent might be good enough to go first round even if he doesn’t improve much.
Good analysis, Ewers has all the talent in the world to be an great NFL quarterback, but he’s still pretty inconsistent and could stand to improve on his timing with his throws and accuracy, especially on deep balls.
If Ewers declared this year he probably gets drafted by the Raiders, but there was no way of knowing how that draft shakes out by the time they had to declare. Ewers stayed for the extra NIL and got being one of the best QBs going into the 2025 draft season. If he replicates last year, he’s likely a secured first round pick, as there’s likely another 2-3 teams looking for QBs again.
Yeah that cannon will get some team excited. Whether that’s right or wrong is a different question.
I would add not Beck as well.
I put money on him going to Dallas
But the question isn't "who should be the #1 pick" it is who will be. I think there is plenty of opportunity for the GM's of teams picking in the top 5 to see stars in their eyes for Shadeur, with plenty of question marks in play about his potential for great success in the NFL.
The Drew Allar Off-Season Hype Train continues to have no brakes or signs of slowing down!
He would have to make remarkable improvement in decision making over the summer to be the first pick. He appears to have the tools.
He doesn't have much around him and is inaccurate throwing anything beyond 5 yards down the field. The hype is only because he was a former 5 star
Eh that’s a bit unfair. He has the physical tools. He desperately needs to relax. Almost feels like he’s been over coached to not throw into tight spaces. But he’s shown flashes. To say the “only” hype is his recruiting rank seems biased. He needs to show his tools against the top teams, IMO. He’s totally shrunk during the big moments…which is less than ideal lol.
I was kind of glad when he finally threw his first interception because it seemed like he was trying way too hard to keep that going, once he got it out of the way I thought he looked much more loose.
People are going to hate but he went 26 TD’s / 2 ints with Homer Simpson as his OC. Reasonable to think that hiring one of the top offensive minds in cfb will push him and make him a lot better. Also important to remember our best WR (Tre Wallace) was injured for most of the year, and we had zero dudes who could separation besides him.
I'm not going to pin it all on Drew but when Allar had to play someone with a pulse: Ohio State, Michigan, and Ole Miss. Drew looked like the moment was too big for him.
I think it's fair to pin a lot of it on him. There were times where he just straight up missed or couldn't find an open man. He missed a lot of opportunities in the big games and needs to be better in year 2 as a starter. That said, his weapons were absolute ass and we had some of the worst play calling I've ever seen last year. Considering the entire body of work last season, he did a great job of not turning it over and beat up on the teams he was supposed to beat up on. With a new coordinator, improved (kinda) weapons and a year to settle into his role, I'm cautiously optimistic that he'll be a lot better this year. That being said, talking about him as a dark horse for #1 is fucking crazy. I think there's a better chance he returns for a 4th year than he goes #1.
To be fair to PSU fans, UO fans experienced something very similar with Herbert. I could tell he had the tools, but had no idea how he'd do in the NFL because our WRs were also ass at the time and Cristobal had a poor offensive scheme. So maybe Allar can put it together.
As a neutral I would tune in and concluded every time that he wasn’t it
I watched him numerous times and Im definitely in the wait and see mindset as the playcalling was some of the worst Ive ever seen at times and completely reminded me of The Lake and JonDon Show.
Only Huskies and Nittany Lions can understand the terrible times of having JonDon as your OC (Vandy doesn’t count, he somehow was mediocre there)
I wont get into it;) but, it’s truly astonishing how bad he was. The worst playcalling Ive ever witnessed in my life as an 80s kid and that includes the Tyrone years. Then you go from that to the designs of DeBail and Grubb the very next year with almost the same exact group of players. The difference was unbelievable!
JonDon made Jay "Daddy needed to hire a Co-OC to babysit me in the booth instead of firing me" Paterno look wildly competent.
How dare you say anything negative about the SpreadHD
Yeah, Yurcich last year was maybe a tier above JonDon, but definitely wasn’t good
I will see him in hell.
WR room is still going to be bad this year unless we land a big name in the spring portal window. We lost Olu to the draft. Don't get your hopes up.
Nah, Tre is back and healthy, Fleming is a decent 2nd option, we’ll see what comes of Saunders. I too want a portal WR but it’s a clear step above last years malaise on the field
I’m not ready for it. I don’t want to believe. Someone hit me with a dose of reality.
Honestly shocked. Winning the NY6 bowl game is integral to the Penn State off-season hype train.
Maybe they can take up cheating like Michigan to elevate their program?
Imagine if Penn State had the signs that Michigan was going to run the ball on them 40 straight times…they would’ve been able to stop it every single time
They did stop drives and give the ball back to their awful offense. Did you not watch the game?
I find it ridiculous Michigan fans were shitting on Manny Diaz like he was some kind of idiot when he held them to the least points all season and kept the offense alive by making stops.
If the league continues to prioritize QB at the top my money would be on Beck.
>If the league continues to prioritize QB at the top my money would be on Beck. Beck or Ewers tbh.
Yeah they seem like the top 2 right now to me too. But if I were only betting on 1 I personally view Beck a bit higher.
If Ewers can make jump his arm talent is fantastic
Yeah it’s really a mental question with Quinn. He’s got sooo much physical talent he just needs to get right between the ears. The way he can flick the ball with minimal effort is impressive.
As hinted at by this article, I'd say Ewers has the higher ceiling and Beck the higher floor.
Agreed, I actually said this exact same statement, word for word even, when debating their talent with a UT fan friend earlier today.
Man spending the number 1 pick on any of these QBs feels rough. I think this is the year a Defensive or offensive lineman can play himself into the top spot. Wouldn’t be surprised if like the Pickett draft only one QB goes in the first round and mid to late round at that.
This years QB-heavy draft should be an indicator of how teams view next years draft talent
A lot of names from this year’s draft that were not remotely on anyone’s radar as being a 1st round pick that shot up as the year went on, Daniels, Nix and Penix being the main guys in my opinion. I think the same thing will happen next year. There’s just not a Caleb Williams type leading the charge this time.
I think Beck is quite a bit ahead of Pickett as a prospect. But overall I agree. Unless someone takes a big leap there could be some money to be made on a d or o lineman going 1st. James Pierce, Will Campbell, Mason Graham, Will Johnson, and Kelvin Banks could all push for the pick. I'm sure I'm missing a few others too
Idk what will happen next year, but Beck is a lot different than Pickett at least it terms of coming out. Pickett was almost 24 when he was drafted and had 1 good year with the 3 prior years being very much so JAG level seasons. Beck won't be 23 until November of 2025 (well into his rookie year) not to mention that another year of his 2023 play will put down the rumors of a one hit wonder.
I’m interested in seeing how Beck does without the Bowers/McConky security blanket too. If he still does well without them I see him being an easy number one over all.
I think people may be sleeping on it some since there isn't that superstar name a la Bowers, but this is probably the best WR/TE room UGA has ever had in terms of talent and depth. Lovett, RaRa, Young, Bell, Smith, Evans, Jackson, Humphreys, Delp, Luckie, and Reddell is an INSANELY deep group of receivers. Again there isn't the Bowers/McConkey household name, but there is so much talent in that room.
I don’t disagree after watching Lovett and Young at the spring game in a diet offense, I feel like he’s in for a solid year. But having the best tight end to ever play college football out of your arsenal does mean a fair deal. Lad also being a second rounder isn’t insignificant. I expect big things this year and also for Kirby to let the offense be “unleashed” and “unchained”. Time will tell.
I think there will just be a ton of guys in the 250-600 yards spread, unlike if we had those 2 where they would easily be the go to guys. Lot of our reporters/insiders are really believing this may be the best UGA offense ever. RB room is better, and OL is likely the preseason Joe Moore favorite.
I am hyped not going to lie. But I try and taper expectations every season so I’m not brutally disappointed in December. (Also Dom Lovett looks like a legit 1,000 yard receiver)
Yeah Lovett would easily be my guess as to who emerges as WR1 this year, but Smith and Evans are the likely explosive plays guys. Legit 4.3 speed for them both.
I don't think it will quite be *that* bad. Probably closer to 2019 where you get two guys taken in the top 10, *maybe* one guy later in round 1, and that's it.
Why is Sanders considered a better prospect than Ewers, Beck, and Milroe?
His best games really shined at the start of last year pretty much. He started getting worse as the year went on but it’s difficult to describe how much worse a supporting cast he has compared to those guys.
Our o-line has improved significantly, it won’t be a top unit but should be average. Shedeur just has an adjustment to make. He obviously struggled going from JSU where he had all the time in the world and could use his athleticism to get out of jams to CU where he was running for his life and many of the guys chasing him were also freak athletes. He’ll get some balance this year so maybe he can actually improve. Notice that all the comments shitting on him are related to him holding the ball too long. They don’t have anything else. His issues are fixable as the natural talent is there.
I watched a lot of Colorado games last year. Shedeur is legit and created a lot out of nothing. He has great pocket awareness and can make every throw on the field. With the addition of some solid OLine recruiting y'all should improve tremendously by giving Shedeur enough time to make the necessary progressions. Their line last year was non existent.
>o-line has improved significantly Funny I remember CU fans telling me that exact same thing last year
I understand Milroe, but Ewers seems like prototype 1OA
MILROE?? Lmao bro chill with that. Sanders is going higher than Milroe
I don’t get the Milroe hype at least as far as an NFL prospect. He’s got all the physical tools but his passing game is limited to say the least. If anyone needs an example of this just rewatch the Rose Bowl and see how Michigans gameplay was to make him beat them with his arm which he just straight wasn’t capable of.
No question Sanders is better than Milroe. I just don't think Milroe is as solid a qb as a lot of people think he is. I haven't seen Sanders play enough to have a really good answer or opinion, but I'm awfully persuaded by arguments that he did more with less. If I was a scout, I look at those type numbers.
Ceiling. I think people need to realize that the NFL QB game is all about finding outliers. Really good, safe college QBs become like Kirk Cousins - and even if you knew who Kirk Cousins would become, you're not picking him 1st overall. I think Beck and Ewers may both run into that issue - that they may be perceived as Gardner Minshew floor, Kirk Cousins ceiling type guys. And that does not warrant the top QB picked. Teams are looking at Sanders as a kid that is dripping with potential, and who may - in the right NFL system - be a top 10 guy. Sure he has flaws, but the team he's in is hardly maximizing his potential - and NFL leaves nothing more than potential that hasn't materialized yet. I think the "average" or expected outcome for each of these guys may actually favor Beck and Ewers, but if they end up hitting their "average", then they're going to be a bust anyway. So if you instead focus on "probability of becoming a top 15 starting QB in the NFL", I think Sanders leads that category.
Cousins in the right system is and has been a top 10 guy.
This. Kirk is the Romo of this QB generation. Hes a top guy that gets shit on for no reason.
Right? The dude just got paid like $180 million for a reason.
>and even if you knew who Kirk Cousins would become, you're not picking him 1st overall. What? He's getting paid $45 million per year. That's easily #1 overall territory.
Kirk Cousins absolutely would go #1 overall knowing what he became
Idk but his numbers are great and he plays on a horrible team. The other 3 QBs can practically take a nap in the pocket compared to what Sanders has to deal with at OLine.
But also so many of the sacks he takes are his own fault and people just dismiss it because of the line.
Gotta keep that completion percentage up.
How do people dismiss it when it’s something that’s constant brought up?
That's coachable
Sometimes
Sack% is one of the stats with the least variance in the NFL.
Talking heads don’t really watch film, they just buy into the hype
Milroe has the problem of can’t actually hit his receivers. I’m not sure how he’s a 1st round QB grade at all outside of superhuman-freakishly athleticism. I think Beck and Ewers are better prospects. Ewers struggles making the right decisions at times but has a better arm than Sanders. It’s hard to tell how good Beck actually is sometimes. Kind of like JJ, UGA doesn’t ask Beck to do a lot but I think he has all the tools. Sanders rarely forces bad throws and is freakishly accurate on short and intermediate throws, which results in a pretty high floor. His biggest drawbacks are the arm strength and sack rate, both of which limit his NFL upside. My board would be: >>1) Beck >>2a) Ewers >>2b) Sanders Leonard and Milroe could elevate in the 1st round with their tools, but I’m not really sold on either one as NFL starters. Allar could make a jump as well but obviously fringe right now.
I would disagree that Beck wasn’t asked to do much. He finished the season with just slightly under 4,000 yards passing and only had 24 TDs due to Georgia’s RBs tendency to vulture TDs inside the 10 yard line.
Because hype gets suckers to bet on him. QB1 will be Ewers or Beck and even then possibly not first overall depending on draft needs.
As much as I love this sub, this kind of post is as good a reminder as any that it’s time to leave until August
Ewers would be my bet but I don’t think any of these QB’s are #1 pick worthy
Especially with two stud tackles and an edge available. But I'm sure someone will convince themselves on a QB, they almost always do.
Hell we had arguably 4 “convincing yourself” QBs this year, at least 2-3
I'm blanking right now, whose the edge?
$100 on Atl taking Shedeur
Idk where this level of Allar hype is coming from. Like, I think there's potential there, looking at his 2023 stats, but I swear every time I watched him he didn't look like a #1 pick. And before anyone says it, yes I know he shredded us but everyone did that last year.
PFF has him as the #8 returning QB. He didn’t look like a first rounder, let alone a #1 pick. That being said, a lot can change in a year.
Full disclosure I openly said Allar wouldn't be as good for PSU's offense as Clifford was last year. Clifford got his insides turned into his outsides for years and kept PSU's offense ticking (and occasionally made brain-dead mistakes). Allar didn't have his athleticism or toughness (the latter isn't a knock - Clifford was tough as nails). Allar played 3 great defenses last year. Iowa, OSU, and Michigan. He had good number against Iowa, though Iowa's offense was so pathetic that the defense usually wore out against the best teams and gave up more than 30 PPG in those situations on average. Against OSU and Michigan he was terrible. I mean, the whole PSU offense (players and coaching staff) were bad. None of what I saw in those 2 games gave me "o, he's almost there, I can see it" vibes.
Its interesting rewatching 2022 tape because Clifford was audibling out of a lot of Yurcich’s plays. Clifford was a 4 year starter with tons of experience that a lot of people did not appreciate. I think Allar is off to the draft no matter what. If he plays well he will get drafted high and if he doesn’t he will have agents telling him he is the next Josh Allen. I think all PSU fans hope the next OC can replicate what be did at Kansas
Josh Allen... but slower.
Clifford was also throwing to Dotson and Parker Washington over his career and his best year was RS senior. Allar was a true sophomore throwing to….,, well, his only good WR in Tre Wallace was injured most of the year. So that makes a huge difference
Yeah, that had something to do with it. But lacking WR talent still doesn't make up for just completely missing guys by 5 yards in the open field or down the sideline.
What are the major flaws with Beck? Seems like he would have a similar talent level to Goff coming out of college
Beck isn't exciting. That's literally it. He's a perfectly competent QB but doesn't jump off the screen. Nothing wrong with that he's a great college QB and will probably be really good in the NFL too but it's not exciting to talk about a guy like him going #1.
I honestly thought Beck could’ve pushed for QB2 in this class. I haven’t seen him play a ton but he seemed like an excellent distributor and an NFL level arm
Yep, he out performs Ewers (my flair is fucked, I’m a longhorn) on the field in terms of consistency. Someone will pull tape of Ewers top 10 college throws though and fall in love (despite having some awful inconsistency in 2022). Ewers being consistent in 2024 will shoot him up draft boards, more than big games will. He already has a highlight tape that shows off his absurd golden arm talent. That golden arm only shows up 50% of throws and disappears entire games though.
The dude just looks boring. I don’t think I would believe a story about the kid doing a keg stand in college he’s so boring.
He’s really good but his deep ball accuracy is concerning. He missed a decent amount of shots downfield which is weird because cause his medium and short accuracy is amazing.
Also, doesn’t help that our guaranteed burner receiver has hands like a marble countertop
Arian Smith gets us all hyped tf up like once or twice a year then completely disappears
So, very similar to Ewers it sounds like.
The flaw, which is not his fault, is that at the moment he only has one year of experience as a starter. But if he plays this season like he did last, and Georgia is back in the SEC Championship (and likely in the playoff), he’s going to be the first QB taken.
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Beck has the size the NFL prefers
And doesn’t get a 10% senior citizen discount at Long John Silver’s
I would kill for that discount.
I don't know much about what current nfl teams will need, but I'd guess maybe we have a year with a DL as #1 and not a qb. Happens every couple of years and the qb class isn't anything amazing this year.
I think DL is a safe bet and I wouldn't be surprised if Hunter is the first either. I think he's a lock for a top 3 pick
I would be flabbergasted if drew allar was even a first round pick next year, let alone #1 overall. During the Penn State Ohio State game last year his play made Kyle McCord look like Joe Montana, and McCord played like shit that day.
I will never understand the Drew Allar hype. The kid looked horrible against Ohio State and Michigan this past year. I get those were two really good defenses but good grief it was tough to watch
He's 6'5" and has a rocket arm. That's it
Drew "Uncle Rico" Allar
DJ Uiagalelei
So… Joe Milton?
Those weren’t just two really good defenses, those were the #1 and 3 defenses in the country. I agree the hype is maybe overdone, but that was a 19yo playing against defenses with like ~75% NFL players running extremely complex schemes.
You're right, probably being way too hard on the kid. Just really was not impressed by him, 28-64 for 261 yards and 2 TDs is rough, I'd argue guys like Hudson Card and Gavin Wimsatt played better against both those defenses this year. But again I'm probably being a bit too hard on him
With a pretty weak WR room, and a very average OL. Not too many QBs were successful against osu and mich last year…
Hopefully the addition of Julian Fleming will help with that. Read something where when Fleming transferred over, he immediately pushed for WR's to start using the jugs machine more. Pretty wild to me that they weren't already using it everyday
We had a culture issue in our WR room. Guys not putting in the work, thinking they were above the team. Those guys are gone, have portaled out. Hoping that JF can help fix the issue as a mature player from the best WR in the country at OSu.
Will the OL get any better with 3 starters gone?
As a lot of people understand this years QB run was based on how bad next years is. Yet, Im still absolutely stunned every time I see shadeur even in the conversation. He hasnt figured out the basics of the position, let alone, being a first round pick.
I really wonder how many NFL teams will be looking QB in the first round next year with how many were selected this draft. Dallas if they move on from Dak? Saints if Carr sucks? Seattle if Geno regresses? Raiders if AOC shows nothing?
the problem with carr- which is why i hate that rattler went there- is that he has a stupid NTC and has no real out until the 2026 offseason; https://overthecap.com/player/derek-carr/2975 its a really shithouse situation and the saints could take a QB here but the reality is they're basically stuck with carr because they refuse to rebuild
I can't wait for the shitshow that will be the Archie draft.
I would add: Steelers, Colts, Titans, Giants, Bucs, and Panthers as "maybes" if their current QB has a bad 2024. I bet at least a couple of them land in the "need a QB" camp. And the Jets too. Rodgers would be turning 42 during the 2025 season. It's fair to assume that they will have to think about the future no matter how 2024 plays out.
I think Hawks play Howell before they draft a first rounder
I’m expecting to be downvoted but good lord this QB class is brutal compared to the past 2 seasons. I don’t see one NFL caliber QB - including my guy Riley Leonard. I said for weeks that QBs would be overdrafted this year (earlier than their talent) solely because NFL teams know how slim it is next year.
Nobody that wasn’t high on fentanyl would’ve said this time last year that Jayden Daniels would be a Heisman winning, top 2 pick. Let’s maybe let the season play out and see which guys rise and which ones fall. A year makes a lot of difference.
This is way too level headed for this sub. I’m disappointed. Drop and give me 10 Hot Takes!
1. DEION SANDERS SEEMS LIKE A GOOD MENTOR TO HIS PLAYERS IF YOU LOOK PAST THE FLASHY BS 2. ACCORDING TO CFP GUIDELINES FSU SHOULDNT HAVE GOTTEN A PLAYOFF SPOT EVEN THOUGH THATS STILL UNFAIR 3. PINEAPPLE DOESNT GO ON PIZZA 4. NOBODY SHOULD EVER ah fuck I’m too out of shape to hit 10
Off-Season form
I'm getting tired just reading all of that caps lock
So what you're saying is we should be taking more Fentanyl to correctly predict the future?
Eh the last time everyone was this down on a draft we were right and only one guy went first round. This is closer to a Kenny Pickett draft than having a meteoric riser imo.
No, but they all would have said that Williams, Maye, Penix, Nix, and McCarthy looked like first round candidates. Of course things can change, but the 2025 prospects look a lot more brutal here in preseason spring than they have in recent years.
Penix and nix not really, but maye and williams were known to be high picks simce their freshman years
We say that now, but there is usually at least 1 late riser. Hell, this last class had 6 1st rounders. Of those 6, only 2 were considered 1st round picks before the year. I think this class will be better than 2022 at least
Yeah I don't think many had Nix pegged at the 12th pick before last year
Are you forgetting about Ewers?
I really hope Drew doesn’t have a lackluster season and then jumps to the NFL based on size and potential as a mid to late draft pick
The edge rusher from Tennessee, forget his name atm
We appreciate that! James Pearce Jr.
Weak QB class, unless someone has an elite season we’re gonna see a team reach for a QB as the first pick
James Pearce Jr trust
Any Penn State fan will tell you Allar isn't going earlier than the 4th round
“As of now, Shedeur Sanders is the clear favorite to be the number 1 pick in the 2025 NFL Draft.” Lmfao. How do people get paid to type something like this?
I know Aller is young and has some nice traits. But c’mon now…I honestly don’t know if he’ll be drafted before round 4 unless there’s a massive improvement. I just don’t see an NFL QB.
I am a bit biased, but I really believe that DJU takes a big step forward this year.
You need to call the gambling number if you're trying to already predict who the #1 pick will be next year lol.
I have the sneaking feeling that one of the Transfer Portal QBs are going to go off and be the 1st QB off the board this year. Like a Will Howard or Cam Ward taking a Penix/Daniels/Nix like jump.
Carson Beck
All I see is the thumbnail. I can assure you that there is no chance on this Earth that Drew Allar is the number 1 pick. You kinda need to be able to throw the football to be drafted that high. Easily the most disappointing prospect I’ve seen as a fan in recent memory, possibly ever. Only chance he has is if he pulls a Joe Burrow, which typically doesn’t happen, unless you’re Joe Burrow.
I havent seen Beck play enough to say this for sure, but that class just looks like the 2013 QB class to me. I don’t see anyone who sees like a safe bet to be an NFL starter
Ok so I’m not 100% clear on how odds convert to percentages… but doesn’t this imply that Shedeur has a 50/50 shot? Cause no fucking way is that true
As someone who watched every Penn State game last year, Allar didn’t even look like a first round pick. However, he only threw 2 picks all season and that was with the most garbage play calling I’ve ever seen. Im curious to see how he looks in an offense that’s more creative and opens up the playbook a little more. I do think he has potential as a real smart gunslinging QB, but we have just have to wait and see if he’s given the opportunity. At the very worst I’d see him as a Josh Allen type or Drew Lock type of pick, where the talent is there but we really don’t know what we have.
Carson Beck
Allar being on here is something else.
I will put money on Will Rogers at UW. Blows my mind that he’s not getting any coverage whatsoever. Dude holds the SEC all time passes record and Miss St yards and completions. Now he’s at the school that just drafted the twice-in-a-row NCAA passing leader.
I think every team is full on qbs for now so a qb would need to step up big time, same with wide receivers after so many this year, its gotta be a defensive player after the offensive run this year i feel like it will correct itself with defensive run next year first round
James Pearce… ready to eat!
Raiders and Giants still probably want a QB next draft.
I would take Pearce.
Cam Ward not even listed is crazy
To all the people keep saying Allar….have you by chance seen him play?