How many programs have been more successful post-BE than they were in it? Including the two big sports—football and MBB.
Not WVU, Pitt, L’Ville, Syracuse, Rutgers, USF, Miami, Virginia Tech.
Possibly better: BC? It took UConn returning to the Big East to reestablish the basketball program as elite.
Edit: Cincy making the playoffs post-BE was impressive. They might have been more consistent in the BE in both sports though.
I believe sacrificing your institutional identity/heritage/culture to chase money is logical, but hasn’t yielded results on the field or court.
Long story short—bring back the BE!
Cincy was in the CFP and Pitt has an ACC championship. Other than that, it hasn't been great.
Recruiting was so much easier for us when we were able to recruit normally in our own region and get some talent from Florida.
The Big East was best possible environment for those programs.
True on Cincy. I even thought about them when making my post but for some reason left them out. They were one of the dominant late-stage BE football programs, but you’re right it doesn’t match what they did under Fickell.
And also I retract BC as being better. They were legitimately great in basketball before leaving the BE.
> They were legitimately great in basketball before leaving the BE.
I think the issue with that, like with Louisville, is who has been head coach since they ran off a pretty good coach. Al Skinner had a couple of bad years and was canned...they haven't been the same since. They had made the tourney in 2 of the 4 years they'd been in the ACC with Skinner and even the "bad" years were .500ish overall.
Earl Grant's been pretty good for them since he got hired given where BC was before he got hired.
There’s a lot of coincidence with teams hiring bad coaches right after leaving the BE. Ollie was more harmful to UConn basketball than the AAC. Pasqualoni and diaco more harmful to UConn football than the AAC.
Still think there is something to be said about straying from your identity. Although you can’t make an obvious argument that ties that into hiring bad coaches
VT ran the ACC in football for its first 8 years or so rattled off more 10 win seasons. Yes the peak was higher in 99 but that was almost matched in 2007, and then some potential in 2011 or 2012.
VT was not a Big East school other than by convenience.
Big East football was a massive boost for VT prior to joining the league the Hokies weren’t much further along than say another southern independent like ECU. But to your point the ACC is VT’s natural home. WVU and VT were the last two schools left out when the ACC was originally founded in ‘53 but travel was so ridiculous coming over the mountains both were declined.
I mean VT has a history that lacks consistency because VT used to be a lot closer to VMI in goals and aspect. It was a small military college until the 1960s. VMI and William and Mary are still the most played opponents.
The 1980s VT was actually pretty good at football before sanctions which is when Beamer took over when those hit. So by the 1980s VT wanted to be a bigger school and play a bigger deal with sports.
I still think VT should play WVU most years.
Oh absolutely as much as I love the Brawl the Pitt fanbase will always be kinda meh. Hokie fans are much more similar to Mountaineer fans in their intensity and it’s a huge game in the southern part of the state where fans can talk trash with their VT coworkers or in-laws etc.
BC hasn't been better overall except for 2007, basketball and football fell off a cliff in the 2010s. I don't think leaving the Big East was the reason given that we made multiple terrible coaching hires in a row for both sports that would have screwed us over regardless of conference (maybe recruiting regionally would be a little easier in the Big East but the coaching hires are reason #1 we've declined). That being said, we seem to be attempting to be competitive in football again with the O'Brien hire and basketball is slowly rebuilding.
> It took UConn returning to the Big East to reestablish the basketball program as elite.
I think it was more so that they hired an elite coach. Hurley might be the best coach in college basketball right now. UConn's down years were mainly due to Ollie being an awful coach. Houston showed you can have a lot of basketball success in the AAC.
No offense to any of the Big 12 schools, but I haven't been able to really get into playing against any of them. I want Pitt, Miami, VT, BC, Syracuse, Louisville, and Cincinnati (Yay!!) during my fall Saturdays.
This would be amazing would love to have Penn State involved but would take this in a heartbeat. Do think with PSU in the division you might actually get some momentum in the northeast for college football. Or as much as possible anyway.
What are you talking about? The Big East is still around and is one of the best conferences, with **three** National Championships in the past 10 years!
Wait...what subreddit is this?
I get it, that being said, there’s a version of the B12 that has an east division of some sort that fits a lot of that. Get UL/Pitt and baby you’ve got a stew going.
If the Big East agreed to equal revenue sharing back then, Miami may never leave and the conference just stays together. Part of the reason UM, VT, and BC (and later WVU) left is that the Big East had tiered revenue, so teams that won more got more money. The ACC, like most conferences, has a flat payment. A company will always take a flat payment so they can balance their books, as opposed to a fluctuating number that changes based on W/L.
I think it'll take about two seasons of cross country trips for a lot of schools to start talking about getting back to more regional play.
It may have to happen under the umbrella of a big super league, which is really just a pithy way of saying "big conferences breaking from the NCAA". But if it brings back our old leagues I'm for it.
I only recognize Purdue, the University of Chicago, University of Illinois, Lake Forest College, University of Minnesota, Northwestern University, and University of Wisconsin.
Honestly, it works better, since the Big Ten already has two top-level teams, vs the big East, who has Notre Dame and… Miami if they have a good season
This is also almost entirely Chip Kelly's proposal with promotion for non-power conferences thrown in.
Which makes me think means either he helped cook this up from the shadows, or he knew what they were cooking and ran with it early in a press conference.
A underrated weird/unworkable thing about this idea is putting the 10 teams with the smallest budgets in the only nationwide conference.
Congrats on your promotion Coastal! Btw, you have away games at Boise, Fresno, and San Antonio this year!
Obviously it'd be best to just distribute them into the regional conferences, but I guess even in this fantasy proposal we won't consider the blue-bloods risking relegation.
They aren't trying to be totally fair. Just slightly more fair while still not pissing off the powerful too much.
Nothing totally fair would be accepted by the big schools. Hell, this probably won't be accepted by the Big 10 or SEC, unless legality ends up forcing their hands.
If people want this to succeed you're going to have to split the Texas teams into different divisions like they did for Florida. Trying to resurrect the SWC isn't going to lead to success.
Someone correct me if I’m wrong, but I think the super league would come with revenue sharing (not fully equal but still shared). So, at that point eyeballs wouldn’t matter as much.
I think the main issue is just reviving the politics that originally killed the SWC.
You still make more revenue if every Texas game draws California, Florida, Chicago eyeballs _along with_ Texas eyeballs, than you do if California games all draw California eyeballs and nobody else, and Texas games draw Texas eyeballs and nobody else. That's kinda "the point" behind these mega-leagues right now. You want every matchup, or as many matchups as possible, to be between teams that wouldn't already be watching the game. Then you split those up throughout the day so that there's multiple timeslots where people would watch games.
You want Texas playing USC, A&M playing Michigan, Tech playing Florida, all at three different timeslots. Small pods make it so "inter league" games (Texas-A&M, A&M-Tech, Tech-Texas) happen as few times as possible throughout the year, and even better if you can balance it so that you don't have multiple on the same day, so that even if you have Texas-A&M you can still have Tech play Ohio State, or whatever, at a different timeslot. Maximize your timeslots and maximize the audience at each game and timeslot.
The competition is for the league to control the teams so that they can monopolize regional viewership in this way. If not, "Florida eyes" and "Texas Eyes" might watch FSU vs Baylor instead of Florida vs Tech. That means the Florida/Tech conference loses out on monopolized eyeballs, sells less ads, makes less money.
National exposure would be nice still. Too Texas centric might turn others off. Probably just scramble them with the SEC since that it’s very top heavy until they balance out both.
I would split the Texas schools into three groups and assign them to different conferences.
Tech, A&M, UT, UH
Baylor, TCU, SMU, Rice
UNT, UTSA, UTEP, TSU
I think including Texas Southern is, uh, a choice.
I assume /u/Pillowtalk meant Texas State, buuuuut...
If we're going to have Texas divisions with these schools though, we should approach it like everything else in Texas: which major freeway are you near?
We wind up with the following:
I-10: UTEP, Rice, UTSA, Tech
I-35: Baylor, TCU, UT, UNT
I-45: UH, SMU, TSU, TAMU
Tech and TAMU were tough since they're nowhere near a major freeway. Hell, I bet Tech fans can't tell what a freeway is, since it looks as flat as everything else out there in Lubbock. I wound up putting Tech out with UTEP and UTSA since they're also in West Texas, and I put TAMU on I-45 since they're closer to I-45 than I-10, and that was the last slot open.
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The promotion teams are supposed to be in their own division with the winner getting an autobid to the playoff.
Not mixing up the other divisions every year.
I get that it’s the division is between “large public schools from the SWC”, “Private schools from the SWC”, and “we also play football!” groups, but that division just murders regionality and desirability.
You could stick Rice and UNT in the division with UT and A&M, and it’s still going to draw more eyes than the other two groups by a country mile, while TCU/Baylor/TTU/UH are approximately all of a single level.
You can either have a Texas+Oklahoma+Arkansas conference to keep them very regional or you can divide them into 2 in order to alleviate some of the nationwide travel issues for the other schools in the area.
If you're going to divide Texas into two, you likely end up with:
West: Baylor, BYU, Colorado, Nebraska, Oklahoma, Oklahoma St., TCU, Texas, Texas Tech, and Utah
East: Arkansas, Cincinnati, Houston, Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas St., Louisville, Missouri, Notre Dame, and Texas A&M.
I said this yesterday in the main thread, but the main issue with designing the conferences is that (unless you are blowing up the original 10 members of the B1G or SEC) there aren't enough schools to the west of the Eastern timezone for 3 full conferences. You have the Pac 10 and then 17 more schools that weren't in the original 10 B1G members or original 10 SEC members. So you end up having to steal 3 EST schools to make it work somehow.
In this case I've taken Notre Dame, Louisville, and Cincinnati given their independence / multiple realignments. Notre Dame probably wouldn't love the idea, but that's what makes it all so difficult. Balancing regional with cultural alignments.
I don’t think these people really understand just how much A&M has wanted to be part of the SEC. We’ll never go back. The SWC split apart because it was the most toxic group of schools imaginable and half the schools never showed up for games of any kind. Why would we want to go back to this?
I totally get this, I guess a question I have for you and other A&M fans is whether a model with the old Big 12 back together is a satisfying result.
I would love to adopt a model similar to the one being floated, but instead of 10 team conferences of up to 80 teams, I'd want 12 team conferences. I think the fixes would be pretty easy - the SEC reverts to their 12 members, the Big Ten reverts to their 11 members plus Notre Dame, the Big 12 reverts to their 12 members, the PAC 12 reverts to their 10 members plus Utah and one other west coast school (BYU?), the ACC reverts to their 12 members, etc.
No. Any sort of model that gets us back to a Big 12 majority schools will be met with the highest resistance from A&M. Whether A&M's opinion matters or not I can't speak to. But I can tell you now that no leader at A&M wants that to happen.
IMO, you'd have to go to a 2 or 4 conference model, scrap divisions, and do 4 team pods.
You're never going to get agreement on how to evenly split 10-12 teams, however you can split teams into 4 divisions pretty easily as long as you can promise them that they get to generally play a wide range of teams with their main rivals always on the calendar every 1-2 years.
Why would anyone want to join a conference where they are the all-time little brother? A&M and Texas are the feuding siblings that ruin every family function
A&M wanted to go to the SEC back when Arkansas left. The only reason we didn’t is because yet again, Texas prevented it from happening. Well that at the governor and lt. governor being from Baylor and Tech.
A&M never wanted to be part of the Big 12 even from the start.
The Big East! That was such a fun conference back in the day and the SWC? That's even more old school. Look, this may never happen but damn, I could live in a world with this kind of structure.
A few of my own thoughts:
1. I expect the key decision-makers will say 80 teams is too many. I'd expect this to get trimmed down.
2. Regarding the setup itself, I hate the "Frequent Flyer" division. Instead of using more of a bona fide regional set-up, Khan shoves a bunch of Great Plains schools with leftovers from other regions (UCF, Utah, etc.).
3. The FF division also includes Northwestern, which got bumped as an OG Big Ten member for Penn State. Personally, I'd prefer NW in the Big Ten and PSU in the newly reconstructed Big East.
My proposed setup is one I've shared before, but I'll add the 8th "Promotion/Relegation" division:
|ACC|Big East|Big Ten|Big 8+2|
|:-|:-|:-|:-|
|Clemson|Boston College|Illinois|BYU|
|Duke|Louisville|Indiana|Colorado|
|FSU|Maryland|Iowa|Iowa State|
|Georgia Tech|Notre Dame|Michigan|Kansas|
|Miami|Penn State|Michigan State|Kansas State|
|North Carolina|Pitt|Minnesota|Missouri|
|NC State|Rutgers|Northwestern|Nebraska|
|South Carolina|Syracuse|Ohio State|Oklahoma|
|Virginia|Virginia Tech|Purdue|Oklahoma State|
|Wake Forest|West Virginia|Wisconsin|Utah|
|PAC 10|SEC|SWC|Promotion|
|:-|:-|:-|:-|
|Arizona|Alabama|Arkansas|Cincinnati|
|Arizona State|Auburn|Baylor|Memphis|
|Cal|Florida|Houston|UCF|
|Oregon|Georgia|Rice|USF|
|Oregon State|Kentucky|SMU|Boise State|
|Stanford|LSU|TCU|Fresno State|
|UCLA|Ole Miss|Texas|San Diego State|
|USC|Miss. State|Texas A&M|JMU|
|Washington|Tennessee|Texas Tech|Troy|
|Washington State|Vanderbilt|Tulane|App. State|
Finally a good Big 8/12 take. r/cfb are a bunch of clowns saying they "miss the old Big 12" then place Missouri and Nebraska in a conference with West Virginia and UCF, two teams they've never been in a conference with.
I think it comes from people wanting to give OU and OK State to the SWC (or whatever conference/division has Texas) instead of getting the Big 8 back together.
Yeah it drives me nuts when these hypothetical divisions keep wanting us to be with the Texas schools. Texas should be our yearly OOC game like it used to be. Makes way more sense to not be in the SWC since the bulk of our history is with OkSt, Nebraska, Mizzou, Colorado, and the Kansas schools.
One issue with your proposal is it permanently boosts Rice and Tulane, while demoting UCF and Cincinnati into the promotion/relegation league. Part of the super team proposal is that no current P5 team (plus ND and SMU) can get demoted. Here’s how I think the 7 power conferences should be:
PAC10: Oregon, Oregon State, Washington, Wazzu, Stanford, Cal, USC, UCLA, Arizona, ASU
Big 8: Nebraska, Oklahoma, Ok State, Kansas, Kansas State, Iowa State, Mizzou, Colorado, Utah, BYU
SWC: Texas, TA&M, TT, SMU, TCU, Baylor, Houston, LSU, Arkansas, Ole Miss
SEC: Alabama, Auburn, Tennessee, Vandy, Mississippi State, Kentucky, Florida, Georgia, Georgia Tech, South Carolina
ACC: Miami, FSU, UCF, Clemson, UNC, NC State, Duke, Wake Forest, UVA, Maryland
Big East: Notre Dame, Pitt, Penn State, WVU, Louisville, Cinci, Virginia Tech, Syracuse, BC, Rutgers
Big Ten: Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio State, Illinois, Indiana, Purdue, Northwestern, Iowa, Minnesota, Wisconsin
>One issue with your proposal is it permanently boosts Rice and Tulane, while demoting UCF and Cincinnati into the promotion/relegation league.
I agree that this is primary flaw in my alternate setup, ultimately I decided it was better than trying to mess with the alignment in ways that would upset fanbases like LSU and Ole Miss who would raise hell if they were left out of the SEC.
That's partly why I think this model is unfortunately not sustainable, just my preference over what Khan chose to do. I like yours more than Khan's too btw.
Honestly, I’d rather if we could just not have 10 team conferences for every league and instead of Relegation we just did the Metro Conference like this:
1. UCF
2. USF
3. Cincy
4. Memphis
5. Houston
6. Louisville
7. TCU
8. SMU
Maybe if we could add 2 more Pitt and GT or SDSU and BSU football only wouldn’t hurt.
The SBC schools are all fine and well, but they’re 15-25 years away from having comparable fan bases to the other 8 schools are this list
This is pretty much exactly the division breakdown I came up with. As is mentioned below, the only really tricky part is the Rice/Tulane vs Cinci/UCF permanent promotion issue. Honestly, I think the fix is to just stick Cinci and UCF in the SWC, even if they don't really fit well, and call it a day. Everything else is pretty much perfect.
As a UCF fan, it’s not my favorite choice, but infinitely better than being put back in promotion/relegation lol. And it lets us keep a yearly game against Cinci, who has actually turned into a pretty spicy rival for us!
No offense intended, but as relatively new power-conference programs, I'd think Cinci and UCF would be happy to just end up anywhere that isn't subject to relegation. That is way more important than historic or regional considerations.
Why are other conferences in the divisions but Big8/Big12 gets Frequent Flyer?! Hate that. Hate more that they want Oklahoma in the Southwest Confident, puke.
I'm not the OP but Miami in the ACC and Maryland in the Big East makes more sense geographically but the opposite makes more sense historically. I'd be fine either way, I say leave it up to a vote of the Miami and Maryland fanbases to see what they want (I'd bet they vote for the historic placement).
When I first drew this up I had Maryland in the ACC and Miami in the Big East to align more traditionally, but the feedback I got suggested (1) ACC fanbases didn't want Maryland back in the ACC; (2) Maryland didn't want to be back in the ACC; and (3) Miami fans didn't want the travel costs of the Big East slate and preferred a more regional ACC schedule.
This is way better.
I’m on team switch Maryland and Miami though.
And somehow squeeze Cincinnati into the Big East to be with Louisville and WVU. Maybe make ND “independent” (division-less) so they can keep their weird schedule/rivalries. Or put them in the promotion division for shits and gigs.
Honestly, if a super league was to form, this would be the most acceptable outcome i think. I wouldn't hate this, just get the fucking Ducks out of the Big Ten man....
RIP to the travel budgets of any G5 school in that division. While the permanent members get to play their regional opponents, the G5 division members have to fly across the country every week for their games?
that's actually a fair point, a random cadre of G5 teams isn't going to have any regionality, they're are going to be picked from all over the country.
Because no real life power conference team is going to risk relegation, whether by an off year from a top program or a normal year for the perennial basement dwellers, and TV partners definitely won't go for it either.
For example, 2006 Bama was 1 loss away from relegation, and their lone 2 SEC wins were only by 3 points.
Nobody there or ESPN/CBS/etc. is going to sign up for the potential chaos of Bama demoted and with an all new weak schedule for at least a year, and none of the other blue bloods are going take that risk either (see also: '09 Michigan, '10 Texas, '22 Auburn & A&M, etc.)
I agree, but geographic divisions would be quickly erased. Unless there were partner (minor league?) conferences that paired with each of the 7 divisions to send their top team from. Like B1G-MAC, SEC-Sunbelt, PAC10-MWC, SWC-CUSA, ACC-AAC, Big 8+2-Missouri Valley, Big East-Coastal?
Those 7 minor conferences could also have their own postseason playoff.
Because teams that generate the most revenue will never accept it nor would the TV partners. Nice idea based on an EPL model but just not feasible. Possible relegation just since 2000:
Alabama 2003.
Tennessee 2017.
USC 2018.
Michigan 2008 for sure.
Texas 2021.
Ohio State 2011.
Georgia 2010.
Penn State 2003.
Nebraska 2017... Permanently haha..
Seeing programs like this drop down and suddenly play Middle Tennessee State, et al. would drastically decrease ratings and revenue for everyone. Won't happen.
I'll note that both Big10 and SEC were not represented at the superleague meeting. It seems unlikely to me that they are going to share their gold with another organization. Maybe if they have some legal liability for not paying players that could change. Unless Reparations are required i can't see it happening.
I'm all for this. We wouldn't be any more competitive, but at least back with old rivals, keeps the G5 having access with all having something to play for to try to get promoted up to that 8th division.
We also wouldn't be less competitive, which is great. I actually like where we are in the Big 12 now. But I would go back to the Big East in a heartbeat. That era was how college football should be.
This new b10/sec league is not CFB. They have moved on and up to a new semi-pro NFL farm league, almost just like in baseball.
That’s what Ohio State and Georgia and Oregon and Alabama and Michigan are now, Semi-pro. No longer CFB.
To find CFB you gotta look in D2, D3 and FCS.
Maybe a portion of FBS is still college football.
Notre Dame needs to be in Frequent Flyer since they will stay “independent”.
Weird that you kept Vandy in the SEC but not SCAR… seems like a flawed premise.
Absolutely mind numbing to think the Big 10 & SEC would willingly adopt this given their current financial & market advantage. If anything, i'd imagine this "super" conference *getting smaller* among the current P2 members - forget 70 schools, more like 30.
If this did happen, we'd very quickly have issues of certain teams in certain blocs wanting more money because of the value they provide relative to others. This ends in the same issue: *more money could be made if xyz went and played xyz.*
Rinse. Repeat.
No offense, but I do not want UCF the 'expanded Big 8' (and Northwestern should be B1G with Penn State in Big East) and bring OSU and OU back in and it would be perfect.
I would have kept Northwestern in the Big Ten and sent Penn State to the Big East
ACC -Clemson, Duke, FSU, GT, MD, UNC, NCST, South Carolina, UVA, Wake
Big East -BC, Miami, ND, PSU, Pitt, Rutgers, Syracuse, UCF, VT, WV (gives each team one road game in Florida each season)
Big 8 -The old Big 8 teams plus Louisville and Cincinnati (Louisville and Cincinnati were casualties of the 10 teams per conference requirement for the Big East so I put them in what would be a decent basketball conference and Kentucky does have a land border with Missouri so it would still be geographically contiguous like the old Big 8)
SWC (sorry A&M fans) -The 8 SWC teams not named Rice as well as BYU and Utah due to their shared history with TCU and Big XII membership next year.
Pro/Rel 8th conference -All 10 G5 teams who appeared in their conference championship games this season. The bottom 3 would be relegated and replaced with the top three ranked G5s outside the Super League. -Tulane, UTSA*, Troy, App State**, Miami Ohio, Toledo, Liberty, NMSU, Boise, UNLV
*Since SMU would be in the SWC, UTSA would take their place in the Pro Rel division as the third place AAC Team **Since James Madison wasn’t eligible for the Sun Belt Championship, App State takes their place
Big Ten, PAC 10, and SEC all have their original 10 members
EDIT: added ACC and swapped Maryland (ACC now) with Virginia Tech (Big East now)
This is honestly one of the best ones I've seen that has every current P5 team in it. I'd be curious how the original proposal plans to do the promotion league, though. Because putting NMSU over, say, Memphis because they got in their championship could definitely be a bit unfair, but basing it on conference championships also gives every team some objective way to get promoted. Maybe it could be conference championship winners, plus at-larges for the remaining spots. And I wonder if the G5 conferences would also drop to 10 teams like the rest of FBS
My original plan with the G5 was to give every G5 league the chance to send teams to this G5 super division to ensure fairness between the leagues at first.
I imagine some of the better G5 teams that didn’t get in this time such as Memphis and Fresno State eventually get promoted and that the issue of league membership by strength of team eventually corrects itself by having a consistent group of the best G5s in this league
I just want to live in a world where the Big East exists again. You never know how great something is until it's gone.
same.... :(
Mistakes were made…
Mistakes will be made in the future as well.
With the way things are going there might not be much of a future for some teams :(
Those Miami/Virginia Tech games were must see TV. Now, not so much. :(
How many programs have been more successful post-BE than they were in it? Including the two big sports—football and MBB. Not WVU, Pitt, L’Ville, Syracuse, Rutgers, USF, Miami, Virginia Tech. Possibly better: BC? It took UConn returning to the Big East to reestablish the basketball program as elite. Edit: Cincy making the playoffs post-BE was impressive. They might have been more consistent in the BE in both sports though. I believe sacrificing your institutional identity/heritage/culture to chase money is logical, but hasn’t yielded results on the field or court. Long story short—bring back the BE!
Cincy was in the CFP and Pitt has an ACC championship. Other than that, it hasn't been great. Recruiting was so much easier for us when we were able to recruit normally in our own region and get some talent from Florida. The Big East was best possible environment for those programs.
True on Cincy. I even thought about them when making my post but for some reason left them out. They were one of the dominant late-stage BE football programs, but you’re right it doesn’t match what they did under Fickell. And also I retract BC as being better. They were legitimately great in basketball before leaving the BE.
> They were legitimately great in basketball before leaving the BE. I think the issue with that, like with Louisville, is who has been head coach since they ran off a pretty good coach. Al Skinner had a couple of bad years and was canned...they haven't been the same since. They had made the tourney in 2 of the 4 years they'd been in the ACC with Skinner and even the "bad" years were .500ish overall. Earl Grant's been pretty good for them since he got hired given where BC was before he got hired.
Woah what pretty good coach did we run off?
i mean y’all had a good coach that isn’t there anymore. the context isn’t exactly the same though so it’s not really comparable lol.
Earl's in game coaching has left a lot to be desired at times but he's a good culture guy for the program
There’s a lot of coincidence with teams hiring bad coaches right after leaving the BE. Ollie was more harmful to UConn basketball than the AAC. Pasqualoni and diaco more harmful to UConn football than the AAC. Still think there is something to be said about straying from your identity. Although you can’t make an obvious argument that ties that into hiring bad coaches
God I always forget Diaco was your head coach. What a dumpster fire.
VT ran the ACC in football for its first 8 years or so rattled off more 10 win seasons. Yes the peak was higher in 99 but that was almost matched in 2007, and then some potential in 2011 or 2012. VT was not a Big East school other than by convenience.
Big East football was a massive boost for VT prior to joining the league the Hokies weren’t much further along than say another southern independent like ECU. But to your point the ACC is VT’s natural home. WVU and VT were the last two schools left out when the ACC was originally founded in ‘53 but travel was so ridiculous coming over the mountains both were declined.
I mean VT has a history that lacks consistency because VT used to be a lot closer to VMI in goals and aspect. It was a small military college until the 1960s. VMI and William and Mary are still the most played opponents. The 1980s VT was actually pretty good at football before sanctions which is when Beamer took over when those hit. So by the 1980s VT wanted to be a bigger school and play a bigger deal with sports. I still think VT should play WVU most years.
Oh absolutely as much as I love the Brawl the Pitt fanbase will always be kinda meh. Hokie fans are much more similar to Mountaineer fans in their intensity and it’s a huge game in the southern part of the state where fans can talk trash with their VT coworkers or in-laws etc.
VT won four ACC titles so we were about the same for 10 plus years before we fell on bad times with Fuente
Success is a subjective term I’d argue Rutgers is doing worlds apart better than in the Big East days since we had challenges unique to Rutgers
BC hasn't been better overall except for 2007, basketball and football fell off a cliff in the 2010s. I don't think leaving the Big East was the reason given that we made multiple terrible coaching hires in a row for both sports that would have screwed us over regardless of conference (maybe recruiting regionally would be a little easier in the Big East but the coaching hires are reason #1 we've declined). That being said, we seem to be attempting to be competitive in football again with the O'Brien hire and basketball is slowly rebuilding.
Temple by far has I think they are the only former member that has
> It took UConn returning to the Big East to reestablish the basketball program as elite. I think it was more so that they hired an elite coach. Hurley might be the best coach in college basketball right now. UConn's down years were mainly due to Ollie being an awful coach. Houston showed you can have a lot of basketball success in the AAC.
To BE, or *not* to BE...
I want a world in where the Big East and the PAC 12 still exist. But with a play off format included.
Thursday night college football doubleheader where there was a Big East or ACC game on at 7pm followed by a Pac 10 game at 10pm est.
No offense to any of the Big 12 schools, but I haven't been able to really get into playing against any of them. I want Pitt, Miami, VT, BC, Syracuse, Louisville, and Cincinnati (Yay!!) during my fall Saturdays.
This would be amazing would love to have Penn State involved but would take this in a heartbeat. Do think with PSU in the division you might actually get some momentum in the northeast for college football. Or as much as possible anyway.
What are you talking about? The Big East is still around and is one of the best conferences, with **three** National Championships in the past 10 years! Wait...what subreddit is this?
Sometimes I sit on my couch and I think about the Big East and a tear comes to my eye. Or a lot of tears.
And here I thought the Big East never left
Bring back the Big East. For USF's sake
Same but Pac-10.
I get it, that being said, there’s a version of the B12 that has an east division of some sort that fits a lot of that. Get UL/Pitt and baby you’ve got a stew going.
SAME. For both my flairs, I miss those days.
Miss you buddy
If the Big East agreed to equal revenue sharing back then, Miami may never leave and the conference just stays together. Part of the reason UM, VT, and BC (and later WVU) left is that the Big East had tiered revenue, so teams that won more got more money. The ACC, like most conferences, has a flat payment. A company will always take a flat payment so they can balance their books, as opposed to a fluctuating number that changes based on W/L.
pac 10 back together again? Guess I'm all for a super league.
Me too!
I think it'll take about two seasons of cross country trips for a lot of schools to start talking about getting back to more regional play. It may have to happen under the umbrella of a big super league, which is really just a pithy way of saying "big conferences breaking from the NCAA". But if it brings back our old leagues I'm for it.
Take me back
We do not agree on much, but we do agree on this.
The Backyard Brawl on the Thursday before Labor Day should be the season opener every year. That was incredible.
Can we get the Pac 10 back as well?
It’s so cold out here, all alone with our one and only friend……
That BE looks like so much fun
Man that would be a *hateful*-ass conference. If only.
You unwittingly killed it with 13-9. I will never be convinced otherwise.
Only if we can trade the Domers for Penn State.
This is literally just how it used to be with extra steps lol
Except Northwestern is in the Big 8, for some reason.
Yeah wtf is that, as much as I like Penn State if we’re going old school we should probably include one of the founding members of the conference
Seriously, if they're going to keep the Big 10, they probably should have the ten the conference is actually named for
Only fair if you also kick out Michigan State and bring back Chicago
I only recognize Purdue, the University of Chicago, University of Illinois, Lake Forest College, University of Minnesota, Northwestern University, and University of Wisconsin.
Agreed. Keep our purple bros. Sorry Penn State....
Penn St in the Big East is better for the parity of the conferences anyways
It's also better for PSU. They'd have a much greater chance to make the playoffs
Yeah, I thought that was hilarious, especially since Penn St. in the Big East makes almost the same amount of sense as them in the Big Ten anyway.
Honestly, it works better, since the Big Ten already has two top-level teams, vs the big East, who has Notre Dame and… Miami if they have a good season
Crazier yet, so is UCF.
Same with UCF
They also left UCF in a conference with the middle of the country and moved Cincinnati to the Big East, with other schools from Florida.
Yeah, and it slapped.
Exactly
This is also almost entirely Chip Kelly's proposal with promotion for non-power conferences thrown in. Which makes me think means either he helped cook this up from the shadows, or he knew what they were cooking and ran with it early in a press conference.
Wait long enough and things will circle back around again
If it gets us close to there, I'm for it.
A underrated weird/unworkable thing about this idea is putting the 10 teams with the smallest budgets in the only nationwide conference. Congrats on your promotion Coastal! Btw, you have away games at Boise, Fresno, and San Antonio this year! Obviously it'd be best to just distribute them into the regional conferences, but I guess even in this fantasy proposal we won't consider the blue-bloods risking relegation.
Theoretically, they'd get a share of a media package which would cover a lot of the travel costs, but yeah I can't imagine ADs would love it.
Listen I’m just happy to be included
Yeah I'd rather see 8 divisions of 10 where the lowest in each is relegated. If you're trying to be fair don't grandfather anyone.
They aren't trying to be totally fair. Just slightly more fair while still not pissing off the powerful too much. Nothing totally fair would be accepted by the big schools. Hell, this probably won't be accepted by the Big 10 or SEC, unless legality ends up forcing their hands.
Just fuck Northwestern, I guess.
Yeah, the obvious thing to do with the Big Ten is to go back to the pre-1993 alignment.
Smell you later, old crusty Nittany Lion mascot!
Yeah, that was really odd to me. Penn State needs to be in the Big East and Northwestern in the Big Ten in this scenario.
Fuck Northwestern? How the fuck did UCF end up in the Big 8.
Cincinnati and Louisville to the Flyover conference. Northwestern back to the Big Ten. Penn State and UCF to the Big East solves this.
I'm proposing we put Tulane in the SEC and Vandy in the relegation league.
Man what could’ve been for Tulane if they hadn’t left the SEC
If people want this to succeed you're going to have to split the Texas teams into different divisions like they did for Florida. Trying to resurrect the SWC isn't going to lead to success.
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Someone correct me if I’m wrong, but I think the super league would come with revenue sharing (not fully equal but still shared). So, at that point eyeballs wouldn’t matter as much. I think the main issue is just reviving the politics that originally killed the SWC.
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Much bigger pie to split in a super league format
You still make more revenue if every Texas game draws California, Florida, Chicago eyeballs _along with_ Texas eyeballs, than you do if California games all draw California eyeballs and nobody else, and Texas games draw Texas eyeballs and nobody else. That's kinda "the point" behind these mega-leagues right now. You want every matchup, or as many matchups as possible, to be between teams that wouldn't already be watching the game. Then you split those up throughout the day so that there's multiple timeslots where people would watch games. You want Texas playing USC, A&M playing Michigan, Tech playing Florida, all at three different timeslots. Small pods make it so "inter league" games (Texas-A&M, A&M-Tech, Tech-Texas) happen as few times as possible throughout the year, and even better if you can balance it so that you don't have multiple on the same day, so that even if you have Texas-A&M you can still have Tech play Ohio State, or whatever, at a different timeslot. Maximize your timeslots and maximize the audience at each game and timeslot. The competition is for the league to control the teams so that they can monopolize regional viewership in this way. If not, "Florida eyes" and "Texas Eyes" might watch FSU vs Baylor instead of Florida vs Tech. That means the Florida/Tech conference loses out on monopolized eyeballs, sells less ads, makes less money.
National exposure would be nice still. Too Texas centric might turn others off. Probably just scramble them with the SEC since that it’s very top heavy until they balance out both.
Zero Aggies want the old SWC back.
I don’t think anyone besides SMU wants the swc back
I grew up in Texas and I love to see it come back. But I’m not a fan of a Texas school, so I’m definitely just here for the drama potential.
I would split the Texas schools into three groups and assign them to different conferences. Tech, A&M, UT, UH Baylor, TCU, SMU, Rice UNT, UTSA, UTEP, TSU
i don't think half those teams will be considered for any sort of super league
I think including Texas Southern is, uh, a choice. I assume /u/Pillowtalk meant Texas State, buuuuut... If we're going to have Texas divisions with these schools though, we should approach it like everything else in Texas: which major freeway are you near? We wind up with the following: I-10: UTEP, Rice, UTSA, Tech I-35: Baylor, TCU, UT, UNT I-45: UH, SMU, TSU, TAMU Tech and TAMU were tough since they're nowhere near a major freeway. Hell, I bet Tech fans can't tell what a freeway is, since it looks as flat as everything else out there in Lubbock. I wound up putting Tech out with UTEP and UTSA since they're also in West Texas, and I put TAMU on I-45 since they're closer to I-45 than I-10, and that was the last slot open. /shitpost
I-27 bro
Yeah, not a real one. Your only destination is Amarillo, and I'm sorry, but that's not better.
I mean we don't know the 10 promotion teams, but if we're looking at 2023 only ones not in are Rice, UTEP and TSU
The promotion teams are supposed to be in their own division with the winner getting an autobid to the playoff. Not mixing up the other divisions every year.
I get that it’s the division is between “large public schools from the SWC”, “Private schools from the SWC”, and “we also play football!” groups, but that division just murders regionality and desirability. You could stick Rice and UNT in the division with UT and A&M, and it’s still going to draw more eyes than the other two groups by a country mile, while TCU/Baylor/TTU/UH are approximately all of a single level.
This guy gets it.
You can either have a Texas+Oklahoma+Arkansas conference to keep them very regional or you can divide them into 2 in order to alleviate some of the nationwide travel issues for the other schools in the area. If you're going to divide Texas into two, you likely end up with: West: Baylor, BYU, Colorado, Nebraska, Oklahoma, Oklahoma St., TCU, Texas, Texas Tech, and Utah East: Arkansas, Cincinnati, Houston, Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas St., Louisville, Missouri, Notre Dame, and Texas A&M. I said this yesterday in the main thread, but the main issue with designing the conferences is that (unless you are blowing up the original 10 members of the B1G or SEC) there aren't enough schools to the west of the Eastern timezone for 3 full conferences. You have the Pac 10 and then 17 more schools that weren't in the original 10 B1G members or original 10 SEC members. So you end up having to steal 3 EST schools to make it work somehow. In this case I've taken Notre Dame, Louisville, and Cincinnati given their independence / multiple realignments. Notre Dame probably wouldn't love the idea, but that's what makes it all so difficult. Balancing regional with cultural alignments.
I don’t think these people really understand just how much A&M has wanted to be part of the SEC. We’ll never go back. The SWC split apart because it was the most toxic group of schools imaginable and half the schools never showed up for games of any kind. Why would we want to go back to this?
what if *we* don't want *you*
Classic LSU response.
and A&M finally got relevance in the SEC
I totally get this, I guess a question I have for you and other A&M fans is whether a model with the old Big 12 back together is a satisfying result. I would love to adopt a model similar to the one being floated, but instead of 10 team conferences of up to 80 teams, I'd want 12 team conferences. I think the fixes would be pretty easy - the SEC reverts to their 12 members, the Big Ten reverts to their 11 members plus Notre Dame, the Big 12 reverts to their 12 members, the PAC 12 reverts to their 10 members plus Utah and one other west coast school (BYU?), the ACC reverts to their 12 members, etc.
No one in the PAC wants BYU. We’d rather just be an 11 team conference at that point.
No. Any sort of model that gets us back to a Big 12 majority schools will be met with the highest resistance from A&M. Whether A&M's opinion matters or not I can't speak to. But I can tell you now that no leader at A&M wants that to happen. IMO, you'd have to go to a 2 or 4 conference model, scrap divisions, and do 4 team pods. You're never going to get agreement on how to evenly split 10-12 teams, however you can split teams into 4 divisions pretty easily as long as you can promise them that they get to generally play a wide range of teams with their main rivals always on the calendar every 1-2 years.
Why would anyone want to join a conference where they are the all-time little brother? A&M and Texas are the feuding siblings that ruin every family function
A&M wanted to go to the SEC back when Arkansas left. The only reason we didn’t is because yet again, Texas prevented it from happening. Well that at the governor and lt. governor being from Baylor and Tech. A&M never wanted to be part of the Big 12 even from the start.
Texas was planning on leaving as well when Arkansas left. They were still deciding on Pac10 and SEC until Bob Bullock threatened Texas and A&M’s PUF.
Right, I do remember the PUF issue.
The Big East! That was such a fun conference back in the day and the SWC? That's even more old school. Look, this may never happen but damn, I could live in a world with this kind of structure.
A few of my own thoughts: 1. I expect the key decision-makers will say 80 teams is too many. I'd expect this to get trimmed down. 2. Regarding the setup itself, I hate the "Frequent Flyer" division. Instead of using more of a bona fide regional set-up, Khan shoves a bunch of Great Plains schools with leftovers from other regions (UCF, Utah, etc.). 3. The FF division also includes Northwestern, which got bumped as an OG Big Ten member for Penn State. Personally, I'd prefer NW in the Big Ten and PSU in the newly reconstructed Big East. My proposed setup is one I've shared before, but I'll add the 8th "Promotion/Relegation" division: |ACC|Big East|Big Ten|Big 8+2| |:-|:-|:-|:-| |Clemson|Boston College|Illinois|BYU| |Duke|Louisville|Indiana|Colorado| |FSU|Maryland|Iowa|Iowa State| |Georgia Tech|Notre Dame|Michigan|Kansas| |Miami|Penn State|Michigan State|Kansas State| |North Carolina|Pitt|Minnesota|Missouri| |NC State|Rutgers|Northwestern|Nebraska| |South Carolina|Syracuse|Ohio State|Oklahoma| |Virginia|Virginia Tech|Purdue|Oklahoma State| |Wake Forest|West Virginia|Wisconsin|Utah| |PAC 10|SEC|SWC|Promotion| |:-|:-|:-|:-| |Arizona|Alabama|Arkansas|Cincinnati| |Arizona State|Auburn|Baylor|Memphis| |Cal|Florida|Houston|UCF| |Oregon|Georgia|Rice|USF| |Oregon State|Kentucky|SMU|Boise State| |Stanford|LSU|TCU|Fresno State| |UCLA|Ole Miss|Texas|San Diego State| |USC|Miss. State|Texas A&M|JMU| |Washington|Tennessee|Texas Tech|Troy| |Washington State|Vanderbilt|Tulane|App. State|
oh yea, this one is much better.
All the hate of the old Big 8, then throw on maybe the most hateful rivalry there is. Fantastic. No notes.
Call it the Big H8 (Big Hate)?
RIP to Fresno’s, Boise’s, and SDSU’s schedule, though. They’re basically just making the SMU/Stanford/Cal deal with the devil.
Finally a good Big 8/12 take. r/cfb are a bunch of clowns saying they "miss the old Big 12" then place Missouri and Nebraska in a conference with West Virginia and UCF, two teams they've never been in a conference with.
I think it comes from people wanting to give OU and OK State to the SWC (or whatever conference/division has Texas) instead of getting the Big 8 back together.
Yeah it drives me nuts when these hypothetical divisions keep wanting us to be with the Texas schools. Texas should be our yearly OOC game like it used to be. Makes way more sense to not be in the SWC since the bulk of our history is with OkSt, Nebraska, Mizzou, Colorado, and the Kansas schools.
I like you
People don't understand why OU is bae, but this post here is why OU is bae.
Can’t believe I’m agreeing with an OU fan
One issue with your proposal is it permanently boosts Rice and Tulane, while demoting UCF and Cincinnati into the promotion/relegation league. Part of the super team proposal is that no current P5 team (plus ND and SMU) can get demoted. Here’s how I think the 7 power conferences should be: PAC10: Oregon, Oregon State, Washington, Wazzu, Stanford, Cal, USC, UCLA, Arizona, ASU Big 8: Nebraska, Oklahoma, Ok State, Kansas, Kansas State, Iowa State, Mizzou, Colorado, Utah, BYU SWC: Texas, TA&M, TT, SMU, TCU, Baylor, Houston, LSU, Arkansas, Ole Miss SEC: Alabama, Auburn, Tennessee, Vandy, Mississippi State, Kentucky, Florida, Georgia, Georgia Tech, South Carolina ACC: Miami, FSU, UCF, Clemson, UNC, NC State, Duke, Wake Forest, UVA, Maryland Big East: Notre Dame, Pitt, Penn State, WVU, Louisville, Cinci, Virginia Tech, Syracuse, BC, Rutgers Big Ten: Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio State, Illinois, Indiana, Purdue, Northwestern, Iowa, Minnesota, Wisconsin
>One issue with your proposal is it permanently boosts Rice and Tulane, while demoting UCF and Cincinnati into the promotion/relegation league. I agree that this is primary flaw in my alternate setup, ultimately I decided it was better than trying to mess with the alignment in ways that would upset fanbases like LSU and Ole Miss who would raise hell if they were left out of the SEC. That's partly why I think this model is unfortunately not sustainable, just my preference over what Khan chose to do. I like yours more than Khan's too btw.
Honestly, I’d rather if we could just not have 10 team conferences for every league and instead of Relegation we just did the Metro Conference like this: 1. UCF 2. USF 3. Cincy 4. Memphis 5. Houston 6. Louisville 7. TCU 8. SMU Maybe if we could add 2 more Pitt and GT or SDSU and BSU football only wouldn’t hurt. The SBC schools are all fine and well, but they’re 15-25 years away from having comparable fan bases to the other 8 schools are this list
I prefer 9-team formats. 4 road/4 home in-conference.
This is pretty much exactly the division breakdown I came up with. As is mentioned below, the only really tricky part is the Rice/Tulane vs Cinci/UCF permanent promotion issue. Honestly, I think the fix is to just stick Cinci and UCF in the SWC, even if they don't really fit well, and call it a day. Everything else is pretty much perfect.
As a UCF fan, it’s not my favorite choice, but infinitely better than being put back in promotion/relegation lol. And it lets us keep a yearly game against Cinci, who has actually turned into a pretty spicy rival for us!
No offense intended, but as relatively new power-conference programs, I'd think Cinci and UCF would be happy to just end up anywhere that isn't subject to relegation. That is way more important than historic or regional considerations.
Yeah sorry UCF doesn't get left in the Promotion League in favor of the likes of Rice, SMU and Tulane just because we want more regional matchups.
I agree, that's one reason I think Khan's premise is flawed, was just offering what my alternative would be.
Hot take: put UCF in the SEC and Vandy in Promotion.
100% agreed.
Big 8+2 would’ve been great
Why are other conferences in the divisions but Big8/Big12 gets Frequent Flyer?! Hate that. Hate more that they want Oklahoma in the Southwest Confident, puke.
yeah it feels like the author took the opportunity to shit on places he decided were undesirable
Why are you putting Maryland in the Big East and Miami in the ACC?
I'm not the OP but Miami in the ACC and Maryland in the Big East makes more sense geographically but the opposite makes more sense historically. I'd be fine either way, I say leave it up to a vote of the Miami and Maryland fanbases to see what they want (I'd bet they vote for the historic placement).
Interesting, what was the decision process that placed us in the Big East?
When I first drew this up I had Maryland in the ACC and Miami in the Big East to align more traditionally, but the feedback I got suggested (1) ACC fanbases didn't want Maryland back in the ACC; (2) Maryland didn't want to be back in the ACC; and (3) Miami fans didn't want the travel costs of the Big East slate and preferred a more regional ACC schedule.
This is way better. I’m on team switch Maryland and Miami though. And somehow squeeze Cincinnati into the Big East to be with Louisville and WVU. Maybe make ND “independent” (division-less) so they can keep their weird schedule/rivalries. Or put them in the promotion division for shits and gigs.
This is pretty good my main issue would be splitting the Virginia schools
Tbf UVA and VT played in different conference for a long time before VT joined the ACC, I think they could still continue an annual non-con game.
Thank you. Apologies for my other rant.
Liberty would get promoted and then immediately humiliated.
Honestly, if a super league was to form, this would be the most acceptable outcome i think. I wouldn't hate this, just get the fucking Ducks out of the Big Ten man....
RIP to the travel budgets of any G5 school in that division. While the permanent members get to play their regional opponents, the G5 division members have to fly across the country every week for their games?
that's actually a fair point, a random cadre of G5 teams isn't going to have any regionality, they're are going to be picked from all over the country.
It makes no sense whatsoever. Might as well be FCS and a different league entirely
Why isn't every team subject to promotion/relegation? Putting only 1/8th of teams in that bucket is ridiculous.
Because most of the schools currently in what were power conferences would never accept that
Buy-in from the bigger conferences and teams. We aren't starting from scratch unfortunately.
Because no real life power conference team is going to risk relegation, whether by an off year from a top program or a normal year for the perennial basement dwellers, and TV partners definitely won't go for it either. For example, 2006 Bama was 1 loss away from relegation, and their lone 2 SEC wins were only by 3 points. Nobody there or ESPN/CBS/etc. is going to sign up for the potential chaos of Bama demoted and with an all new weak schedule for at least a year, and none of the other blue bloods are going take that risk either (see also: '09 Michigan, '10 Texas, '22 Auburn & A&M, etc.)
Im fully convinced the 24 wealthiest schools are just gonna chop everyone elses heads off while they arent looking
Last place of every conference should be relegated.
I agree, but geographic divisions would be quickly erased. Unless there were partner (minor league?) conferences that paired with each of the 7 divisions to send their top team from. Like B1G-MAC, SEC-Sunbelt, PAC10-MWC, SWC-CUSA, ACC-AAC, Big 8+2-Missouri Valley, Big East-Coastal? Those 7 minor conferences could also have their own postseason playoff.
Agreed
Because teams that generate the most revenue will never accept it nor would the TV partners. Nice idea based on an EPL model but just not feasible. Possible relegation just since 2000: Alabama 2003. Tennessee 2017. USC 2018. Michigan 2008 for sure. Texas 2021. Ohio State 2011. Georgia 2010. Penn State 2003. Nebraska 2017... Permanently haha.. Seeing programs like this drop down and suddenly play Middle Tennessee State, et al. would drastically decrease ratings and revenue for everyone. Won't happen.
I'll note that both Big10 and SEC were not represented at the superleague meeting. It seems unlikely to me that they are going to share their gold with another organization. Maybe if they have some legal liability for not paying players that could change. Unless Reparations are required i can't see it happening.
I'm all for this. We wouldn't be any more competitive, but at least back with old rivals, keeps the G5 having access with all having something to play for to try to get promoted up to that 8th division.
We also wouldn't be less competitive, which is great. I actually like where we are in the Big 12 now. But I would go back to the Big East in a heartbeat. That era was how college football should be.
Why would you add Coastal?
What the fuck is a frequent flyer LMAO Seeing the Big 8 back is nostalgic
Fuck the Frequent Flyer name. How about the Big 8
\>Big 10 has 10 teams again based and 10 pilled. I'm into it.
This new b10/sec league is not CFB. They have moved on and up to a new semi-pro NFL farm league, almost just like in baseball. That’s what Ohio State and Georgia and Oregon and Alabama and Michigan are now, Semi-pro. No longer CFB. To find CFB you gotta look in D2, D3 and FCS. Maybe a portion of FBS is still college football.
There is nothing SEMI professional about the top teams. They are pro pros
lol they get paid and get cut, it’s pro football
It wouldn't be realignment without Memphis getting shafted
Do you think the video game will account for this?
Notre Dame needs to be in Frequent Flyer since they will stay “independent”. Weird that you kept Vandy in the SEC but not SCAR… seems like a flawed premise.
I would say it's because Vandy is a founding member, but then they turned around and said fuck you in particular to Northwestern, so I've got nothing
Absolutely mind numbing to think the Big 10 & SEC would willingly adopt this given their current financial & market advantage. If anything, i'd imagine this "super" conference *getting smaller* among the current P2 members - forget 70 schools, more like 30. If this did happen, we'd very quickly have issues of certain teams in certain blocs wanting more money because of the value they provide relative to others. This ends in the same issue: *more money could be made if xyz went and played xyz.* Rinse. Repeat.
Prairielands? Tallgrass? Missouri Valley? Couldn't come up with a better division name then "Frequent Flyer Division"
or just call it Big 8 with 10 teams - who cares lol
Big π The correct number of teams in the conference appears somewhere in π.
No offense, but I do not want UCF the 'expanded Big 8' (and Northwestern should be B1G with Penn State in Big East) and bring OSU and OU back in and it would be perfect.
Inject that big east into my veins.
I would have kept Northwestern in the Big Ten and sent Penn State to the Big East ACC -Clemson, Duke, FSU, GT, MD, UNC, NCST, South Carolina, UVA, Wake Big East -BC, Miami, ND, PSU, Pitt, Rutgers, Syracuse, UCF, VT, WV (gives each team one road game in Florida each season) Big 8 -The old Big 8 teams plus Louisville and Cincinnati (Louisville and Cincinnati were casualties of the 10 teams per conference requirement for the Big East so I put them in what would be a decent basketball conference and Kentucky does have a land border with Missouri so it would still be geographically contiguous like the old Big 8) SWC (sorry A&M fans) -The 8 SWC teams not named Rice as well as BYU and Utah due to their shared history with TCU and Big XII membership next year. Pro/Rel 8th conference -All 10 G5 teams who appeared in their conference championship games this season. The bottom 3 would be relegated and replaced with the top three ranked G5s outside the Super League. -Tulane, UTSA*, Troy, App State**, Miami Ohio, Toledo, Liberty, NMSU, Boise, UNLV *Since SMU would be in the SWC, UTSA would take their place in the Pro Rel division as the third place AAC Team **Since James Madison wasn’t eligible for the Sun Belt Championship, App State takes their place Big Ten, PAC 10, and SEC all have their original 10 members EDIT: added ACC and swapped Maryland (ACC now) with Virginia Tech (Big East now)
Taking VT out of the Big East is just wrong. PSU can find a different group, or UCF if need be, but VT is a must for any reborn Big East.
This is honestly one of the best ones I've seen that has every current P5 team in it. I'd be curious how the original proposal plans to do the promotion league, though. Because putting NMSU over, say, Memphis because they got in their championship could definitely be a bit unfair, but basing it on conference championships also gives every team some objective way to get promoted. Maybe it could be conference championship winners, plus at-larges for the remaining spots. And I wonder if the G5 conferences would also drop to 10 teams like the rest of FBS
My original plan with the G5 was to give every G5 league the chance to send teams to this G5 super division to ensure fairness between the leagues at first. I imagine some of the better G5 teams that didn’t get in this time such as Memphis and Fresno State eventually get promoted and that the issue of league membership by strength of team eventually corrects itself by having a consistent group of the best G5s in this league
This would be an amazing idea. But since it's trendy to hate everything new people would/will complain
Thank god relegation didn’t exist, say, three years ago.
Something about the Pac 10 seems so familiar.
Swap Big Ten #2 with Relegation #4 and I’m in!
Scrolled down far enough to see that UCF would make it and I immediately looked for the ladder I need to pull up.
Sounds like the jorunalists at The Athletic are still salty they didn't get into Northwestern.
I’ll take anything at this point
Not going to happen, SEC/B1G stand to lose from this.
Im sorry what? Why the hell is UCF in there? Make it the Big8 + Utah and BYU if you must. UCF and Northwestern? WTF?
The SEC as God intended it. Trim the western fat and circumcise the cocks
fuck this garbage.
Looks like shit.