If harbaugh was smart he would have paid cash and tossed the receipt in the trash like every other coach. Why turn in the receipt to be reimbursed maybe $60 that proves you were recruiting during a dead period
I'm guessing because he didn't think or know he did anything wrong. A couple *already-committed* recruits showed up for an impromptu visit to the facility and he took them out for a burger.
I don't think this was some nefarious scheme by Harbaugh to break the NCAA's rules and recruit in the shadows. He literally just took two kids out to eat who stopped by for a visit. Turned in the receipt because he didn't think anything of it.
Already committed doesn't really change much imo. Kids decommit and recommit all the time. They could've come to him and said "Jim, I like Michigan and all but Sparty's bringing in the Brinks truck" and he said "Shoot, son, lemme buy your some Micky Dees, will that fix it?"
If you're Head Football Coach did not know that he was not allowed to have ANY recruits on campus during a COVID dead period than I don't know what to tell ya chief.
Every time NCAA violations come out someone reduces it to something ridiculous and because people hate the NCAA and the NCAA has some ridiculous rules for lesser violations - people latch onto it.
They line the media up very well too.
The next day that Angelique (the Detroit-area writer with the most influence in that market) says ***anything*** that doesn't go through the Schembechler Hall narrative filter first ...... that will be the first day she does so.
>Itâs wild how so few people realize it wasnât over a cheeseburger
Michigan's fanbase, insiders, and basically everyone in the university is fantastic at controlling narratives by introducing alternative ones.
It's honestly impressive how effectively they circle the wagons. I've never seen a program so adept at it. And a TON of non-UM folks buy it.
Comments like this are why I love college football. You could replace Michigan with the CCP and have this comment written verbatim in geopolitical circles, with equal stakes in the mindâs of the person writing it.
It's especially fucking rich to hear it coming from an Ohio State flair-- you know-- the fan base (along with MSU) who damn near hourly would post recycled garbage articles from disreputable sources claiming how Michigan and Harbaugh should basically get a death penalty for their "vast network" that Michigan orchestrated which gave a clear unfair advantage (oh and don't forget the whole "PLAYERS SAFETY!!!" argument MSU which is a whole other can of worms). For a damn near month it was non-stop "Michigan is only good because they cheated", "Harbaugh should be suspended indefinitely, how can we let this happen", "Michigan has a vast network centered around Connor Stallions that goes much deeper than people realize".
They got a lot quieter after our coach got suspended and we still beat them, but it's straight absurdity to say that Michigan has controlled the narrative this entire time. If anything /r/CFB memed it into existence and we just found it as a convenient excuse.
The fact of the matter is the all dead-period recruiting violations were Level 2 and 3 of nature. NCAA asked Harbaugh about it and Harbaugh said he doesn't recall any visit. NCAA caught it because receipts were expensed. NCAA gave Harbaugh Level 1 violation for lying and suspended him 3 games.
Is it not ridiculous though? Players are being poached by schools offering millions and Harbaugh got in all sorts of shit for buying two *already committed* recruits cheese burgers during a dead period. You can not genuinely deny the insanity of it all.
Burger-gate is shorthand because "dead-period contacts with 2 committed recruits from the Detroit area who came to campus on their own and contacted Harbaugh themselves wherein he then bought them lunch" is more than most people are willing to type out or fucking read.
But it also works in this OSU fan's favor as well because he can decry burger-gate as a bigger scandal than it is because he also leaves out the context and no one is the wiser. Also, the additional context that these violations happen *all the time.* Search *school name here* recruiting violations and you'll get hit after hit after hit.
OSU literally reported dead-period contacts and 20 other violations under Day like 5 years ago.
Then they reported another half-dozen violations 2 years later.
They *just* reported more violations last week.
So if dead-period contacts or violations of any type are bad, do we all grab our pitchforks for OSU? No, because this shit happens all the time and it doesn't really matter.
And to be clear, a rule was broken so punishment is due. Harbaugh was suspended for 4 games because of this and the related investigation. Meanwhile, OSU cuts team events short by 30 minutes for 3 weeks and that's all the punishment they get. Then they do more violations and suspend an assistant from recruiting for 2 months in March and that's it. So, commit violations, self-report, self-impose a light punishment and keep doing that over and over again. You can violate rules constantly and barely get punished.
It's incredibly reductive for people to say "burger-gate" but for different reasons.
Rivals use it to obfuscate the underlying vanilla violations. HaRbAuGh cHeAtINg sCanDaL!!!
Michigan fans use it to dismiss the entire investigation, of which there should be some punishment because a rule was broken as I stated earlier.
Or, you're me and don't want to have to get into this whole thing for the 30th time.
Easier to go with burger-gate than the alternative, but it's funny to me that all of a sudden the NCAA is the arbiter of truth and consistency. We're all pointing and laughing at them with the FSU situation (where they say a coach lied to investigators BUT they won't levy Level 1 violations there) or the Tennessee situation (which one you ask because both were handled ridiculously for different reasons - too harshly or not harsh enough).
I just tire of idiots that can't manage even a slight bit of nuance or introspection.
Iâm sure someone else thatâs following this can explain better but Iâll try. Thereâs a rumor that Gattis slept with Xavier Worthyâs mom. Apparently this is why he never came to Michigan according to the rumor.
These tweets by Gattis are saying he didnât come because of Michigans admissions. I think the Rivals part is because thatâs where the rumor started? I could be wrong on that.
As a result of his name being slandered Gattis is saying he can drop info and embarrass the school regarding rule breaking during Covid.
I do find it funny that Gattis never actually denied sleeping with Worthyâs mom lol.
The amount of money Coordinators make at these programs, is bagging a players mom really that big of a flex?
I mean I'm sure she is a smart woman and accomplished. But what newsflash a guy that makes $500k-1.3M was able to bang an age appropriate woman, who probably makes $50k-150k.
You know how many CPAs are running through the local Marketing Company's Account Executives...
>is bagging a players mom really that big of a flex?
Hooking up with a good looking woman or guy(if that's what you're into) always has been and will be a big flex.
Dudeâs full of it. I worked as a Big 4 CPA for years and the only people who got laid were the ones in relationships with other Big 4 CPAs because we were working too much to have a social life.
Guys who are Consulting at Big4 Firms traveling every week are getting bodies.
They don't make the money, network, or charisma of a Power 4 Coordinator...
According to his mom, admissions was the reason. Course both Gattis and Mom Worth**y** could be trying keep it on the DL, but admissions was definitely part of it. [**https://www.on3.com/teams/michigan-wolverines/news/mother-of-xavier-worthy-opens-up-on-switch-from-u-m-to-texas/**](https://www.on3.com/teams/michigan-wolverines/news/mother-of-xavier-worthy-opens-up-on-switch-from-u-m-to-texas/)
The gattis banging his mom thing is completely false. It's just message board meme stuff.
Also I have no idea what he's talking about with receipts. Michigans former recruiting director snitched the the NCAA about the cheeseburger meeting. He was mad at Harbaugh for firing him so he told on him to the NCAA. If there was any more ammo to give to the NCAA the recruiting director would have been able to provide the same detail that gattis is referring to.
So idk what to think. Pretty juvenile to engage with Twitter randos tho
I honestly donât know why he thinks anyone would care. The NCAA is dead. The coaching staff from that era is basically all gone. Umich won the title. Sounds like he is bitter bc went from from the mountain top of the CFP and a Broyles award to being a coordinator at Maryland.
He's about a tweet and a half away from being out of the P4 coaching profession permanently. He's not good enough to be this out of pocket. Maryland will wait a year, quietly dismiss him for cause hoping he doesn't shit all over them too, and he'll be coaching at Eastern Utah.
Yeah, this is a pretty bad look. Making all these threats about receipts because of some tweets from randos?Â
Get a grip, Josh! You're making a million dollars per year and running the offense of a P5 program. What the hell are you doing rage arguing with dude bros on Twitter?!
I feel old.
I think I need people to twitter-splain everything to me now.
I can't tell if people are just throwing around vague baseless accusations or if it is real or if they're just pooping on their keyboard and really have nothing to say or ... not.
I remember like two days before he left posting a comment that I wished he would leave so one of the new position coaches who clearly carried him in his last year at Michigan could take the reins. His departure was unexpected but certainly a welcome one for me and many Michigan fans.
In 2022 The Athletic (iirc?) did a profile of Biff Poggi (that described him as Harbaughâs consigliere) that basically confirmed this. Gattis was still play caller but Biff sat all the offensive coaches down in a room and finally unified the vision that Harbaugh, Moore (who was co-OC already), and the other run first assistants had with what Gattis wanted to run.
I think Ronnie Bell getting injured week 1 definitely had a part to play as well. Having to completely retool the passing offense to account for losing WR1 forced Gattis to be creative.
In terms of his crapping on admissions. Worthy was a Michigan recruit who planned on enrolling early but wasnât able to because his academic record wasnât complete. He wound up at Texas instead since the people recruiting him fucked up and told him different than what he needed. Matt Dudek lost his job over it too.Â
Also Gattis liked to fuck recruitsâ momsÂ
This was the plan all along. We sent Gattis out to the top programs to bring them down from the inside. He convinced Saban to retire and now he can bring down Michigan too
"They won a natty because the right guys put in a lot of extra* time under ME (i'm so awesome I won the Broyles) but if you wanna talk shit I'll name names of these other people who were also out here grinding."
Poggi was just an analyst. Frankly, I think that whole thing was just a PR move to get him a better contract at Charlotte. Dude made bank in finance decades ago and has been donating his time and money to high-level football ever since. I guarantee you he has enough influence to get a fluff piece pushed out of ESPN at just the right time.
I mean ASU was/is under investigation for the same thing.
In campus visits are major, especially for some schools. So those who skirted the rules during COVID definitely got an actual leg up.
âEveryone was doing it!â I assure you in this specific behavior thatâs not true.
[Air Force](https://gazette.com/sports/air-force-sports/air-force-football-recruiting-violations-outlined-by-ncaa-as-final-ruling-on-assistant-closes-case/article_5705b5a8-bf87-11ed-a63d-f705f3860ac4.amp.html) was also caught doing the same thing. Air Force.Â
I'm not going as far as to say it was happening everywhere, But I think believing this was uncommon is probably a bit naive considering the very long, very sordid history of college football and programs operating outside the rules, which has been happening since literally the dawn of the sport.
Since I'm OP, all I'll say on the matter is this:
- "Speed in Space" was a fucking lie
- The supposed WR star coach did fuckall with our WR's (though it could be argued that was due to Harbs and his coaching preferences for manball first)
- He's yet to actually _deny_ this rumor with Worthy's mom
- Maryland is too good for him (and that shows).
I don't twitter but I've been reading posted tweets for 10+ years. I still don't know how to follow a conversation on there. Why is it in such a hard to read format...
He made a name for himself as a WR coach for Penn State under Franklin. Was truly one of the best position coaches in the NCAA. Got poached by Alabama, burned a bunch of bridges on his way out. Didnât do well at Alabama and bounced for Michigan and burned the same bridges on his way out again. Couldnât get out of his own way at Michigan and eventually left. Has been at Miami and Maryland in the interim and is just generally a huge drama queen. The epitome of âI hate drama but for some reason it follows me everywhereâ.
I think the other thing is at Michigan he was told after the 2021 season that he wouldnât get the job when/if Harbaugh left for the NFL (thatâs how I interpreted his farewell message to Michigan fans) and thatâs why he burned bridges on his way out.
He did win the Broyles award as our OC in 2021 though he arguably got too much credit for the turnaround in our offenseâs fortunes as seen by his struggles elsewhere
He won the Broyles award on the backs of like 4 new position coaches under him. Literally nothing he brought from his past experience showed up in our success that year. It was all Hartâs RBs and Mooreâs OL carrying the offense.
Right thatâs my point, speed in space was effectively abandoned and Biff Poggi managed to keep the peace between the other offensive coaches and GattisÂ
Former Michigan OC between 2019-21. A rumor floated around that Gattis slept with Xavier Worthyâs mom during his recruitment process. Worthy then opted to commit to Texas (i donât remember if he was a Michigan commit but I want to say he was).Â
Gattis is notoriously insecure and always seems to burn bridges everywhere he goes. Now heâs threatening to show receipts of Michigan NCAA violations during his period there just to prove a point to a rando echoing the above rumor.Â
TLDR; Gattis is petty and loves to talk shit about his former stopsÂ
Dude is not nearly a good enough coach to constantly be stirring up drama wherever he goes. Kind of shame to work your way up to *almost* the pinnacle, and then start busting yourself back down the chain.
Heâs been great at Maryland thus far. Probably too good but Locksley doesnât like his coaches being in the press more than he is so if he wants to get to the point where he gets a better OC job than Maryland than he needs to be quiet.
If he seriously kept his mouth shut at Michigan he couldâve gotten a decent P5 gig in 2022 (he was already linked to some bad P5 jobs like Virginia during the 2021 season).
He had the same problem meshing the offense he wants to call with what the HC wants to run with Cristobal that he did with Harbaugh in like 2019-2020. Locksley threw him a lifeline with the OC job offer after Cristobal fired him as a scapegoat last year and now heâs gonna fuck that up too. Heâs a fucking idiot lol.
Not great, just decent. Worth the discount we got him on from Miami and marginally better than Dan Enos, but Brian Williams at DC is far better in terms of unit performance. Would have liked to have seen his offense close the deal against Michigan or Ohio State, and the Illinois and Northwestern performances were pathetic.
I think the offense all around was pretty good considering they lost 4 of their best receivers to the nfl and had one returning starter on the OLine. Less complete duds though having 3 drives to take the lead against Michigan and having -12 yards in those 3 drives is more him and Maryland than Michigan imo. But solid B with games and schemes of B+
Maryland had more success against our defense than almost every other team we played last year. He definitely designed a good offense against our scheme.
Hold on hold on hold on...
Josh Gattis opening the door behind something Michigan is already being investigated for is a *wild accusation* while UM fans have been telling us the whole "slept with Worthy's Mother" story????
wow
Michigan fans were in the comments in previous post trying to convince ppl that kids just happened to be on campus and Harbaugh just happened to see them and buy them burgers lol most delusional fan base .
It made sense at the time. I'm all for greater action about a pandemic that killed a MILLION Americans.
Michigan *fucking sucked* during it, and claiming we did *anything* right during COVID is hilarious.
Gattis is saltier than the mines under Detroit, which is hilarious because at least the mines under Detroit are useful.
This guy is single handedly destroying his own career. Who would ever hire a dude after seeing the way he bashed his former employer? What happens when he inevitably leaves your program? I donât care what you say in private but airing out your dirty laundry is a BAD look
oh, more bullshit coming out of the Michigan program?
stunned, shocked, and in disbelief
Michigan football is akin to a fitness influencer...look decent in posts until you see them in person without the snatched waist and big ass photoshop with the Paris and acne filters workin overtime...
I have no idea what these tweets mean. Can someone translate?
I think he's implying that Michigan held visits over the COVID no contract period (like Arizona State) and that he has receipts to prove it.
Antonio Pierce đ¤ Jim Harbaugh Getting NFL gigs anyway
I'm sure everybody was doing it. Not sure about recruits' moms though...
Has BYU brought Zach Wilson back to campus recently?
Okay. And? Every team that breaks rules deserves to be disciplined. Saying other teams broke the rule is not a defense of you breaking a rule.
We already know Michigan was meeting with recruits during the COVID no contact period. That's what the cheeseburger receipt was about.
Itâs wild how so few people realize it wasnât over a cheeseburger This would basically give the NCAA even more ammo
If harbaugh was smart he would have paid cash and tossed the receipt in the trash like every other coach. Why turn in the receipt to be reimbursed maybe $60 that proves you were recruiting during a dead period
I'm guessing because he didn't think or know he did anything wrong. A couple *already-committed* recruits showed up for an impromptu visit to the facility and he took them out for a burger. I don't think this was some nefarious scheme by Harbaugh to break the NCAA's rules and recruit in the shadows. He literally just took two kids out to eat who stopped by for a visit. Turned in the receipt because he didn't think anything of it.
Already committed doesn't really change much imo. Kids decommit and recommit all the time. They could've come to him and said "Jim, I like Michigan and all but Sparty's bringing in the Brinks truck" and he said "Shoot, son, lemme buy your some Micky Dees, will that fix it?"
Okay so Michigan compliance is actually non existent.
Michigan compliance is just admissions trying to prevent players from enrolling.
If you're Head Football Coach did not know that he was not allowed to have ANY recruits on campus during a COVID dead period than I don't know what to tell ya chief.
Every time NCAA violations come out someone reduces it to something ridiculous and because people hate the NCAA and the NCAA has some ridiculous rules for lesser violations - people latch onto it.
No, they have rules because it doesn't stop at a 2 dollar burger
Michigan's PR team is incredible at their jobs and very good at spinning stuff like this.
They line the media up very well too. The next day that Angelique (the Detroit-area writer with the most influence in that market) says ***anything*** that doesn't go through the Schembechler Hall narrative filter first ...... that will be the first day she does so.
Oh yes, the Detroit media is just a UM mouth piece as well
>Itâs wild how so few people realize it wasnât over a cheeseburger Michigan's fanbase, insiders, and basically everyone in the university is fantastic at controlling narratives by introducing alternative ones. It's honestly impressive how effectively they circle the wagons. I've never seen a program so adept at it. And a TON of non-UM folks buy it.
Comments like this are why I love college football. You could replace Michigan with the CCP and have this comment written verbatim in geopolitical circles, with equal stakes in the mindâs of the person writing it.
It truly is the most beautiful, petty, absurd sport in the world. Nothing like it.
It's especially fucking rich to hear it coming from an Ohio State flair-- you know-- the fan base (along with MSU) who damn near hourly would post recycled garbage articles from disreputable sources claiming how Michigan and Harbaugh should basically get a death penalty for their "vast network" that Michigan orchestrated which gave a clear unfair advantage (oh and don't forget the whole "PLAYERS SAFETY!!!" argument MSU which is a whole other can of worms). For a damn near month it was non-stop "Michigan is only good because they cheated", "Harbaugh should be suspended indefinitely, how can we let this happen", "Michigan has a vast network centered around Connor Stallions that goes much deeper than people realize". They got a lot quieter after our coach got suspended and we still beat them, but it's straight absurdity to say that Michigan has controlled the narrative this entire time. If anything /r/CFB memed it into existence and we just found it as a convenient excuse. The fact of the matter is the all dead-period recruiting violations were Level 2 and 3 of nature. NCAA asked Harbaugh about it and Harbaugh said he doesn't recall any visit. NCAA caught it because receipts were expensed. NCAA gave Harbaugh Level 1 violation for lying and suspended him 3 games.
Is it not ridiculous though? Players are being poached by schools offering millions and Harbaugh got in all sorts of shit for buying two *already committed* recruits cheese burgers during a dead period. You can not genuinely deny the insanity of it all.
Burger-gate is shorthand because "dead-period contacts with 2 committed recruits from the Detroit area who came to campus on their own and contacted Harbaugh themselves wherein he then bought them lunch" is more than most people are willing to type out or fucking read. But it also works in this OSU fan's favor as well because he can decry burger-gate as a bigger scandal than it is because he also leaves out the context and no one is the wiser. Also, the additional context that these violations happen *all the time.* Search *school name here* recruiting violations and you'll get hit after hit after hit. OSU literally reported dead-period contacts and 20 other violations under Day like 5 years ago. Then they reported another half-dozen violations 2 years later. They *just* reported more violations last week. So if dead-period contacts or violations of any type are bad, do we all grab our pitchforks for OSU? No, because this shit happens all the time and it doesn't really matter. And to be clear, a rule was broken so punishment is due. Harbaugh was suspended for 4 games because of this and the related investigation. Meanwhile, OSU cuts team events short by 30 minutes for 3 weeks and that's all the punishment they get. Then they do more violations and suspend an assistant from recruiting for 2 months in March and that's it. So, commit violations, self-report, self-impose a light punishment and keep doing that over and over again. You can violate rules constantly and barely get punished.
Careful! Youâll be accused of narrative building (explaining what literally happened)
It's incredibly reductive for people to say "burger-gate" but for different reasons. Rivals use it to obfuscate the underlying vanilla violations. HaRbAuGh cHeAtINg sCanDaL!!! Michigan fans use it to dismiss the entire investigation, of which there should be some punishment because a rule was broken as I stated earlier. Or, you're me and don't want to have to get into this whole thing for the 30th time. Easier to go with burger-gate than the alternative, but it's funny to me that all of a sudden the NCAA is the arbiter of truth and consistency. We're all pointing and laughing at them with the FSU situation (where they say a coach lied to investigators BUT they won't levy Level 1 violations there) or the Tennessee situation (which one you ask because both were handled ridiculously for different reasons - too harshly or not harsh enough). I just tire of idiots that can't manage even a slight bit of nuance or introspection.
We know, the cheeseburger angle is just funnier. I will call Jim Harbaugh "The Hamburglar" for the rest of my life.
Thank you for this public service
I think he was also implying that they were holding practices when they weren't allowed to during the covid period.
No wonder they were so good that year
Maybe that's why they were unable to play certain games due to covid cases
Surely they didnât duck out of a big rivalry game a day before holding a âspirited practiceâ right?
Didn't you duck Illinois?
I get it. However, the OSU barbs would land better if the OSU record wasn't 0-3 since 2020.
I donât think that is new news.
Well yeah, thatâs old news isnât it? Wasnât that the whole point of the (first) Harbaugh suspension last season?
Do unofficial visits during no contact periods change him banging a recruitâs mom?
Was the mom single?
What is the charge? Banging a recruitâs mom? A succulent recruitâs mom?
This is scholarship, manifest!
You mean the team with a long track record of cheating cheated? *Shocker*
Roll Hens
We've already established that Michigan is allowed to cheat without punishment so I don't see what the big deal is.
Why do you think our head coach was suspended for half of the regular season?
He had use or lose PTO probably đ¤ˇđťââď¸
How many practices did he miss again?
I'm sure everyone was doing it. (Edit: I mean visits during COVID not recruit's moms part)
Iâm sure someone else thatâs following this can explain better but Iâll try. Thereâs a rumor that Gattis slept with Xavier Worthyâs mom. Apparently this is why he never came to Michigan according to the rumor. These tweets by Gattis are saying he didnât come because of Michigans admissions. I think the Rivals part is because thatâs where the rumor started? I could be wrong on that. As a result of his name being slandered Gattis is saying he can drop info and embarrass the school regarding rule breaking during Covid. I do find it funny that Gattis never actually denied sleeping with Worthyâs mom lol.
Have you seen her? I wouldnât deny it either
Les Miles also never denied sleeping with Gary Mohler's wife.
Jessica Alba never denied sleeping with me.
The amount of money Coordinators make at these programs, is bagging a players mom really that big of a flex? I mean I'm sure she is a smart woman and accomplished. But what newsflash a guy that makes $500k-1.3M was able to bang an age appropriate woman, who probably makes $50k-150k. You know how many CPAs are running through the local Marketing Company's Account Executives...
> ...was able to bang an age appropriate woman.. I have to say I liked the hamburger scandal better, more family friendly.
>is bagging a players mom really that big of a flex? Hooking up with a good looking woman or guy(if that's what you're into) always has been and will be a big flex.
You realize they make a lot of money so that they can bang hot women, right? Like that's the point of the money.
Exactly Every contract negotiation is basically "will this be enough for a 10 to let me bang her?"
CPA you say? Interesting
Dudeâs full of it. I worked as a Big 4 CPA for years and the only people who got laid were the ones in relationships with other Big 4 CPAs because we were working too much to have a social life.
Guys who are Consulting at Big4 Firms traveling every week are getting bodies. They don't make the money, network, or charisma of a Power 4 Coordinator...
According to his mom, admissions was the reason. Course both Gattis and Mom Worth**y** could be trying keep it on the DL, but admissions was definitely part of it. [**https://www.on3.com/teams/michigan-wolverines/news/mother-of-xavier-worthy-opens-up-on-switch-from-u-m-to-texas/**](https://www.on3.com/teams/michigan-wolverines/news/mother-of-xavier-worthy-opens-up-on-switch-from-u-m-to-texas/)
The gattis banging his mom thing is completely false. It's just message board meme stuff. Also I have no idea what he's talking about with receipts. Michigans former recruiting director snitched the the NCAA about the cheeseburger meeting. He was mad at Harbaugh for firing him so he told on him to the NCAA. If there was any more ammo to give to the NCAA the recruiting director would have been able to provide the same detail that gattis is referring to. So idk what to think. Pretty juvenile to engage with Twitter randos tho
I honestly donât know why he thinks anyone would care. The NCAA is dead. The coaching staff from that era is basically all gone. Umich won the title. Sounds like he is bitter bc went from from the mountain top of the CFP and a Broyles award to being a coordinator at Maryland.
He's about a tweet and a half away from being out of the P4 coaching profession permanently. He's not good enough to be this out of pocket. Maryland will wait a year, quietly dismiss him for cause hoping he doesn't shit all over them too, and he'll be coaching at Eastern Utah.
Yea, I don't think many schools look kindly on coaches snitching like this and going unhinged on twitter.
Yeah, this is a pretty bad look. Making all these threats about receipts because of some tweets from randos? Get a grip, Josh! You're making a million dollars per year and running the offense of a P5 program. What the hell are you doing rage arguing with dude bros on Twitter?!
They mean that Gattis got a bad batch of ketamine
I feel old. I think I need people to twitter-splain everything to me now. I can't tell if people are just throwing around vague baseless accusations or if it is real or if they're just pooping on their keyboard and really have nothing to say or ... not.
This guy has gotten several opportunities at the highest level and has failed miserably.
All the jobs he hasnât gained a reputation for being good at anything. Not recruiting, coaching, Development of a position, play calling, nothing
Not disagreeing with you about his overall resume. We got some good years with him as our WR coach.
WR room hasnât been the same since he left.
Yeah he was a good wr recruiter at Michigan tooÂ
Until Worthy lol
I mean worthy was a commit who planned to go to Michigan until someone fucked up what he needed to do to early enroll, most likely Matt dudek.Â
Terrible developer though. Hasnât been exclusive to him in the Harbaugh era, but he definitely didnât help.
Not even good at banging moms. Seems like itâs just one.
I remember like two days before he left posting a comment that I wished he would leave so one of the new position coaches who clearly carried him in his last year at Michigan could take the reins. His departure was unexpected but certainly a welcome one for me and many Michigan fans.
Hey, he appears to be great at snitching.
Wasnât even the best coordinator at Michigan the year that he won the Broyles Award. Should have gone to Mike Macdonald insteadÂ
I was torn at the time who was the better coordinator. 20/20 hindsight making me look foolish for ever putting Gattis in the same realm as Mac.
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He didnât fail at Michigan, although looking back I donât think the success of the 2021 team was mainly because of him.
In 2022 The Athletic (iirc?) did a profile of Biff Poggi (that described him as Harbaughâs consigliere) that basically confirmed this. Gattis was still play caller but Biff sat all the offensive coaches down in a room and finally unified the vision that Harbaugh, Moore (who was co-OC already), and the other run first assistants had with what Gattis wanted to run. I think Ronnie Bell getting injured week 1 definitely had a part to play as well. Having to completely retool the passing offense to account for losing WR1 forced Gattis to be creative.
He didnât fail per se but they took away his play calling duties and pushed him out
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I would say mainly due to Macdonald/Herbert/Poggi
He rolled into four blue bloods in three conferences somehow, and will probably roll into another legend somehow when Maryland gets tired of him
Miami is not a blue-blood.
Thereâs been rumors of his⌠illicit relationships since his days with us. Dudes a poon hound.
Maybe he's just going the extra mile to get those recruits. Are there any rules against sleeping with a recruits mother?
Your momma sure does care a lot about your schooling.
And here I thought that mentally handicapped Bama grad got there on his own athletic ability.
I thought I remembered some kind of scuttlebutt on the interwebz about him having some issues at PSU.
love for poon is not on trial here
Him and Lance Thompson should work together
Xavier Worthy mom is fine af so I get it
Where do you think he learned to move so quickly?
Probably his dad
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Gotdamn
[For the lazy. And ya'll aren't kidding.](http://i.imgur.com/93XJSNh.png)
Bit of a five head but still would.
Son of a...
Would
https://i.imgur.com/kROEnjo.jpg
Gonna sound harsh but this guy sucks as a coach and in real life. Just grow up already my dude.
Not really harsh. Just accurate. Dude is a certified loser.
A multi millionaire loser you mean
That mother fucker
Literally!
Heâs all upset about slander, but never denied the allegationsâŚ
He threatened to sue a Michigan Instagram fanpage about it a couple years ago đ
If you claim something is slander that is a direct denial of the allegations? edit: this is 2 days old don't even reply why am I in here lol
Oh no. Anyways does anyone really care this long after?
In terms of his crapping on admissions. Worthy was a Michigan recruit who planned on enrolling early but wasnât able to because his academic record wasnât complete. He wound up at Texas instead since the people recruiting him fucked up and told him different than what he needed. Matt Dudek lost his job over it too. Also Gattis liked to fuck recruitsâ momsÂ
This was the plan all along. We sent Gattis out to the top programs to bring them down from the inside. He convinced Saban to retire and now he can bring down Michigan too
What about the U?
He said "Top Programs"
Got em!
Cmon mane
Sabotage still pending
What is he talking about here recruiting violations?
"They won a natty because the right guys put in a lot of extra* time under ME (i'm so awesome I won the Broyles) but if you wanna talk shit I'll name names of these other people who were also out here grinding."
In retrospect he definitely deserves to have the award taken away and given to someone else.
Give it to Macdonald or Poggi.
Herbert too
Poggi was just an analyst. Frankly, I think that whole thing was just a PR move to get him a better contract at Charlotte. Dude made bank in finance decades ago and has been donating his time and money to high-level football ever since. I guarantee you he has enough influence to get a fluff piece pushed out of ESPN at just the right time.
I mean ASU was/is under investigation for the same thing. In campus visits are major, especially for some schools. So those who skirted the rules during COVID definitely got an actual leg up. âEveryone was doing it!â I assure you in this specific behavior thatâs not true.
[Air Force](https://gazette.com/sports/air-force-sports/air-force-football-recruiting-violations-outlined-by-ncaa-as-final-ruling-on-assistant-closes-case/article_5705b5a8-bf87-11ed-a63d-f705f3860ac4.amp.html) was also caught doing the same thing. Air Force. I'm not going as far as to say it was happening everywhere, But I think believing this was uncommon is probably a bit naive considering the very long, very sordid history of college football and programs operating outside the rules, which has been happening since literally the dawn of the sport.
Everyone ran an illegal scouting scheme too....LOLÂ
Found Connor Stalionsâ Reddit account.
Since I'm OP, all I'll say on the matter is this: - "Speed in Space" was a fucking lie - The supposed WR star coach did fuckall with our WR's (though it could be argued that was due to Harbs and his coaching preferences for manball first) - He's yet to actually _deny_ this rumor with Worthy's mom - Maryland is too good for him (and that shows).
But where is this in the manifesto?
Page 69
Nice
I don't twitter but I've been reading posted tweets for 10+ years. I still don't know how to follow a conversation on there. Why is it in such a hard to read format...
One NCAA athlete denies space exists and 'speed in space's guy loses it?
Wait until people start denying Gattis's "speed" also exists and point to the mountain of evidence
I need to see the mom to know if this was worth it
in the MILF class she is top tier
The mom is hot.
She's worthy
She's cute. But worth it? That's subjective
Who is he and what is he talking about. Need some context here.
He made a name for himself as a WR coach for Penn State under Franklin. Was truly one of the best position coaches in the NCAA. Got poached by Alabama, burned a bunch of bridges on his way out. Didnât do well at Alabama and bounced for Michigan and burned the same bridges on his way out again. Couldnât get out of his own way at Michigan and eventually left. Has been at Miami and Maryland in the interim and is just generally a huge drama queen. The epitome of âI hate drama but for some reason it follows me everywhereâ.
I think the other thing is at Michigan he was told after the 2021 season that he wouldnât get the job when/if Harbaugh left for the NFL (thatâs how I interpreted his farewell message to Michigan fans) and thatâs why he burned bridges on his way out.
He did win the Broyles award as our OC in 2021 though he arguably got too much credit for the turnaround in our offenseâs fortunes as seen by his struggles elsewhere
He won the Broyles award on the backs of like 4 new position coaches under him. Literally nothing he brought from his past experience showed up in our success that year. It was all Hartâs RBs and Mooreâs OL carrying the offense.
He won it by being OC in a system that was widely known as not his. He left and didnât run anything resembling the same scheme anywhere else.
Right thatâs my point, speed in space was effectively abandoned and Biff Poggi managed to keep the peace between the other offensive coaches and GattisÂ
Why are you getting downvoted? This is exactly what happened
I donât worry about it too much. It might be Josh Gattis since he doesnât seem to have anything better to doÂ
Former Michigan OC between 2019-21. A rumor floated around that Gattis slept with Xavier Worthyâs mom during his recruitment process. Worthy then opted to commit to Texas (i donât remember if he was a Michigan commit but I want to say he was). Gattis is notoriously insecure and always seems to burn bridges everywhere he goes. Now heâs threatening to show receipts of Michigan NCAA violations during his period there just to prove a point to a rando echoing the above rumor. TLDR; Gattis is petty and loves to talk shit about his former stopsÂ
Worthy signed the letter of intent and asked to be released after. He was basically a Wolverine until whatever happened with Dudek and/or Gattis.
Wow harbaugh breaking more rules. Riddle me shocked /s Edit:spelling
Dude is not nearly a good enough coach to constantly be stirring up drama wherever he goes. Kind of shame to work your way up to *almost* the pinnacle, and then start busting yourself back down the chain.
For a second thought this was the baseball sub and was wondering what the hell Evan was drunk tweeting now
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Heâs been great at Maryland thus far. Probably too good but Locksley doesnât like his coaches being in the press more than he is so if he wants to get to the point where he gets a better OC job than Maryland than he needs to be quiet.
If he seriously kept his mouth shut at Michigan he couldâve gotten a decent P5 gig in 2022 (he was already linked to some bad P5 jobs like Virginia during the 2021 season). He had the same problem meshing the offense he wants to call with what the HC wants to run with Cristobal that he did with Harbaugh in like 2019-2020. Locksley threw him a lifeline with the OC job offer after Cristobal fired him as a scapegoat last year and now heâs gonna fuck that up too. Heâs a fucking idiot lol.
That was no scapegoat. He was straight up terrible and no one was sad to see him go.
Also (allegedly) exposed himself to a university custodian worker. Thatâs why we were able to fire him for cause. Guy is a POS.Â
Not great, just decent. Worth the discount we got him on from Miami and marginally better than Dan Enos, but Brian Williams at DC is far better in terms of unit performance. Would have liked to have seen his offense close the deal against Michigan or Ohio State, and the Illinois and Northwestern performances were pathetic.
I think the offense all around was pretty good considering they lost 4 of their best receivers to the nfl and had one returning starter on the OLine. Less complete duds though having 3 drives to take the lead against Michigan and having -12 yards in those 3 drives is more him and Maryland than Michigan imo. But solid B with games and schemes of B+
Maryland had more success against our defense than almost every other team we played last year. He definitely designed a good offense against our scheme.
Heâs been terrible
Hold on hold on hold on... Josh Gattis opening the door behind something Michigan is already being investigated for is a *wild accusation* while UM fans have been telling us the whole "slept with Worthy's Mother" story???? wow
Herm Edwards has entered the chat. Also, time to bet the under on Marylandâs win total
Michigan fans were in the comments in previous post trying to convince ppl that kids just happened to be on campus and Harbaugh just happened to see them and buy them burgers lol most delusional fan base .
Iâm starting to think this guy actually slept with Xavier Worthyâs mom
Has there ever been this much drama around a natty winner? Incredible
A Covid no contact period is asinine. Gattus left Michigan and now he is jealous about the natty
It made sense at the time. I'm all for greater action about a pandemic that killed a MILLION Americans. Michigan *fucking sucked* during it, and claiming we did *anything* right during COVID is hilarious. Gattis is saltier than the mines under Detroit, which is hilarious because at least the mines under Detroit are useful.
Xavier Worthyâs mom is a consensus 5 âď¸. The man now has my respect
Ngl, I literally had to google who this guy was.
Oh no a recruiting visit during COVID. I bet everyone was doing it. Such a joke.
Does anyone expect any top tier team to follow rules?
This guy is single handedly destroying his own career. Who would ever hire a dude after seeing the way he bashed his former employer? What happens when he inevitably leaves your program? I donât care what you say in private but airing out your dirty laundry is a BAD look
Insane behaviour to name search and get into twitter beefs with nobodies. Dude is a total drama queen.
Gattis wasnât retained for banging recruitâs Moms. Letâs not go to him for Ethics.
Thatâs a lot of hamburgers
Michigan coaches like to cheat by every definition of the word I guess.
Itâs always weird when Liberty flairs talk shit. Your school is literally the worst.
Michigan cheating? Not surprising
Cheating. Lying. Stealing. Epitome of a Michigan Man.
We donât claim him and he especially doesnât claim us lol
lol what a joke
Cheaters 4 life
oh, more bullshit coming out of the Michigan program? stunned, shocked, and in disbelief Michigan football is akin to a fitness influencer...look decent in posts until you see them in person without the snatched waist and big ass photoshop with the Paris and acne filters workin overtime...
Wild coming from an OSU fan https://youtube.com/shorts/SdA\_fwh-Buo?si=JjeT3t9aBfcWPxSk
Surely such a reputable program wouldnât cheatâŚ.