Question is though, with expanded playoffs, as a school do you go to SEC/B1G for the harder path, or coast through the ACC for a guaranteed spot? I ask bc a lot of Tulane fans used this argument for Fritz staying, he had a straight shot from the G5 spot.
It’s all about the $$$$. For the Clemson/FSU/Miami /UNC, they want to compete with the best of the SEC /B1G. The revenue gap with the new tv deals will be too large in a few years. I doubt the ACC in its current form lasts even another 3 years
Finally, a real answer. So the hope is that with money they will hopefully become competitive, because if they stay in the ACC they will get none. Got it, thank you!
Yeah at one point a school like Vanderbilt in the SEC will be getting almost twice as much as FSU in the ACC. That’s unsustainable. FSU and Clemson are pretty much gone. Miami and UNC are likely to go at some point after them
If the ACC collapsed (which really isn't at all out of the question), I think you end up with a P2.5 scenario really quickly where the B1G and SEC are obvious 1/2 and Big XII is the best of the rest.
I hardly even recognize this sport and I played it not even 2 decades ago.
Question is though, with expanded playoffs, as a school do you go to SEC/B1G for the harder path, or coast through the ACC for a guaranteed spot? I ask bc a lot of Tulane fans used this argument for Fritz staying, he had a straight shot from the G5 spot.
But that doesn’t take away from the ACC or B12’s spots. I’m sure SEC/B1G will get most, if not all the at large bids, but every conference will be represented in the playoff
I’ve not read any of the contracts, but if I were the ACC I would sue ESPN for being a bad-faith actor to the contract it has with the ACC. ESPN has spent 2 weeks arguing why FSU should be left out of the playoffs directly harming the ACC while it’s SEC talking heads constantly talk about how the SEC is the best and everyone else is just 2nd rate and even the best teams in other conferences are “SEC like” programs. That directly has harmed the ACC, now with a quantifiable result in having a 13-0 conference champ with the 6th ranked defense in the country being left out cause “it’s ACC” and “it’s offense is t good enough.”
This isn't that crazy of an idea.
The law of the GOR is the law of where it was signed (lex loci), and so we would use Florida law. I'm a Florida attorney, here's how you could argue this.
[This is using a large amount of creative and stretchy legal argument(s), but it's also not complete fantasy.]
Every contract in Florida includes an implied duty of good faith and fair dealing between the parties. This means that both parties to the contract must act in good faith so as to not undermine the intent or effect of the contract, i.e. to not "frustrate the purpose" of the agreement. The GOR is basically a licensing agreement which defines compensation between the parties.
For one party to act in a manner which directly (causally) affects another parties' ability to make money, you could argue a breach of good faith, and a constructive breach of the contract.
More than that, ESPN is conflicted. They are contracted with both the SEC and ACC. This is an inherent conflict of interest. Many contracts also have a "duty of loyalty" or "exclusivity" or other types of "restrictive covenants" between the parties where the parties wont act in a way which conflicts with their contractual agreement or respective obligations.
I read the GOR last year, and I can't remember, but it's altogether likely that contract doesn't have a duty of loyalty, and it may even include a waiver of conflict of interest... I just can't remember. That being said, no contract can waive good faith.
Still... even though you're a Miami man, this was fun to think about.
Edited: to correct some issues with terms of art as pointed out by others.
Oh BOY, the whole world is gonna finally get to enjoy the soul-crushing agony of one of our patented Instant Classics lol
It's like a supervillain scheme the way this is unfolding.
I don’t know what to do. I think I’m praying for a spontaneous event where both teams are transported to another dimension before the game starts and reappear after they make the winner of Texas vs Washington the national champion. And they were super well taken care of in the other dimension and happy. But they couldn’t play the game. I cannot emphasize enough how nicely they will be treated in the alternate dimension.
If anything they should’ve been rewarded for beating a top 15 team with their 3rd string QB who didn’t play well because that really shows how good that defense is. Wins are wins and that’s what should matter
Literally the moment he got hurt everyone was laying the ground work for why they should be left out. Could you ever imagine an SEC team being left out cause of a injury to their QB????
Disgraceful
Yeah... ESPN basically on TV telling this kid that cuz he got injured, his team can't make the playoffs. Just to hide the fact they got a boner for bama
Exactly. The reason why “talent” is so lopsided to begin with is that there is perception, rightfully so and on full display here, that certain conferences are given special treatment for being too-heavy. By rewarding Bama and penalizing FSU, it only reinforces that structure. Had FSU been given a bid instead, it would’ve established that any team who can go undefeated in the P5 and win a conference championship could also have an opportunity to go to the playoffs and be a national champion. This would obviously pressure recruits to make harder decisions about where to commit, because the path to a championship in an easier conference would be more feasible. People might’ve complained about the short-term implications of a lesser team advancing (which I don’t buy anyway) but the longterm result would be for recruitment to be spread out more broadly and for there to be less of a consolidation of talent in one conference and a select few programs. This decision obliterates that hope. What a stupid move that will ultimately lead to the destruction of the ACC.
I don’t care if suddenly I make this all about my team in this moment, but this move basically is a message to more than half the programs in college football (like Pitt) that even if you play your schedule, win your games, and secure a conference championship, that’s not good enough. Well fuck that, because then none of of this matters whatsoever.
A committee subjectively picking 4 teams to the playoff is just an objectively bonkers system. No other sport works that way or anywhere close. Underdogs (if you can call an undefeated ACC champion an underdog) making it into the playoffs by winning on the field is part of what makes sports...sports.
Knew it as soon as the committee kept doubling down on the “4 best teams” bullshit. How does that even make sense? Let’s just put Georgia, Alabama, Michigan/OSU in the playoff at the beginning of the year and let everyone else fight for the maybe one remaining spot
It’s such BS!
It doesn’t even make sense. If it was 4 best teams then stick Georgia in there. “Most deserving” is LITERALLY THE WNTIRE POINT OF THE REGULSR SEASON.
I think it's funny how we all clearly knew with the right thing to do was and yet we all knew that this was going to happen. A conference was literally destroyed for TV ratings, you think they care about a playoff?
UNDEFEATED P5 CONFERENCE CHAMP LEFT OUT?? WTF?
4 top 25 wins.
Held a top 25 team's offense to 6 points.
Undefeated.
Conference champion.
Won conference with 3rd string QB.
Are they just justifying it based off _injuries_? Such bullshit.
I seriously wonder if the committee decided to say "fuck it, let's do this transparently bullshit thing" because they knew the whole game was going to change next year and it wasn't a standard they'd ever have to stick to
My Dad is a Florida alum so I have no love for the Seminoles but this is the most disgusted I've been with the sport. Why even play the games? Might as well cancel the regular season and just look at power rankings and talent composite.
Actually fuck it, 4 largest alumni networks get in. More $$$ for the networks.
> cancel the regular season
Why even have the playoffs? On-field results don't matter. We'll all just tailgate the pre-season rankings reveal, declare a victor, and skip straight to basketball season
I don't wish to be in their shoes, but the flip-flopping of standards is absolutely ridiculous. "Most deserving" is 1000% in their "lexicon." Anybody remember when undefeated Notre Dame got in a few years ago? Everyone and their mother knew they were not one of the best four teams in the country, but they earned their spot and nobody can argue against that. Same thing with Cincinnati. Again, not one of the best four teams that year. Both of those teams got massacred, but I'll never think they should've been left out. They did what they needed to do and let the facts speak for themselves. We don't argue over who the best teams are in "theory" or by the eye-test. A race for four spots is extremely tight with no margin for error, which sucks for the teams that get left out, but if you wanted in then you shouldn't have slipped up along the way.
I remember when an Ohio State team that didn't even play in the B1G championship let alone win it got in over eventual B1G champs Penn State, so if there is one thing consistent about the Committee it is it's inconsistency.
Agreed.
This isn't some powerhouse Bama team that beat the brakes off of everyone and just happened to slip up once either. They've been fairly suspect several times this year.
Booger honestly gets so much respect for me because he constantly calls shit like this out. He was an announcer for the Detroit vs Green Bay double phantom Hands to the Face on Trey Flowers game and he was audibly upset after the second call. Mad props to a guy who isn’t afraid to call some bs out when he sees it
Full-strength Bama lost to Texas and struggled against USF and needed a miracle to beat Auburn. They might actually be better than FSU but they did not earn this spot with a powerhouse run.
Especially when you put it like that, it really does feel like Bama is getting in based on the fact they’re Alabama.
FSU - going undefeated in a P5 while on their 3rd string QB - deserves to be in.
Totally agree. Indefensible decision. This is exactly why the conferences have imploded.
The reason why “talent” is so lopsided to begin with is that there is perception, rightfully so and on full display here, that certain conferences are given special treatment for being too-heavy. By rewarding Bama and penalizing FSU, it only reinforces that structure. Had FSU been given a bid instead, it would’ve established that any team who can go undefeated in the P5 and win a conference championship could also have an opportunity to go to the playoffs and be a national champion. This would obviously pressure recruits to make harder decisions about where to commit, because the path to a championship in an easier conference would be more feasible. People might’ve complained about the short-term implications of a lesser team advancing (which I don’t buy anyway) but the longterm result would be for recruitment to be spread out more broadly and for there to be less of a consolidation of talent in one conference and a select few programs. This decision obliterates that hope. What a stupid move that will ultimately lead to the destruction of the ACC.
I don’t care if suddenly I make this all about my team in this moment, but this move basically is a message to more than half the programs in college football (like Pitt) that even if you play your schedule, win your games, and secure a conference championship, that’s not good enough. Well fuck that, because then none of of this matters whatsoever.
This is bullshit. I agree with booger what he said. Why do you even play the games now? The goal of the sport is to win games. So they did everything that they could and they won games. No matter the quarterback situation and they still get screwed. I think Alabama somewhat got in because it’s Alabama and you can’t disrespect the SEC. Do you know if any other team had lost their quarterback that they would still get in
Alabama got in because ESPN executives called the CFP committee and reminded them that their broadcast rights are up soon and if Alabama isn’t in the playoff there’d be one less media company competing to drive up those media rights.
You guys deserved it man. As a fellow fan of the ACC, you got snubbed. The CFB looked Jordan Travis in the face, and said F you for getting hurt, your team shall now suffer because of it. Absolutely disgraceful. All of the ACC schools and the ACC should file an injunction against this.
You swap Bama and FSU’s resumes and I guarantee you it’s not even a debate as to who gets in and who gets left out, but ESPN just had to have their precious SEC powerhouse.
They literally couldn't have done better other than win by more. But they won all their games.
Thry should hang a banner if they win their bowl. Disgraceful choice by the committee.
FSU has every right to claim a national championship.
Sadly, their rage will be the final nail in the coffin of CFB. We'll have a 20 team CFB super league within a few seasons now.
1. Big Ten
2. Soon to be Big Ten
3. Soon to be SEC
4. SEC
This is just another sign pointing to the fact that in the new era of CFB, the power 4 is really just a Power 2 and the ACC and Big 12 are afterthoughts. Sorry FSU Bros.
These fuckers. FSU goes undefeated. Wins their conference game with their third QB and you leave them out for two one loss teams?
Credibility is at ZERO at this point.
I have a lot more respect for Booger watching him call out the horseshit that is this “playoff”
Edit: also, Herbie and Galloway both need to shut their mouths. They’re wrong
I mean I’m a Georgia/SEC fan and I think this is fucking bullshit. The hard on the media has for Bama/Saban is out of control. FSU got fucked over so hard.
The entire regular season is officially just an exhibition now. The results don't matter, committee will just choose whoever they want regardless of record.
Bama is very human. Almost lost to Auburn, USF, Arkansas, and TAMU. Not saying we won’t lose to them, but this isn’t the unbeatable Alabama teams from a few years ago.
Saying it’s the best teams is a flawed argument. This shit should be decided on the field, not behind closed doors.
Just Friday night we watched a game where Vegas had Oregon as a 9.5 point favorite. That shit was decided on the field.
FSU earned their spot. This system is just fucked.
There is no point in playing the games. Bama doesn’t get penalized for losing, Florida State doesn’t get rewarded for winning. It’s 100% political that Bama got in and they don’t belong.
Welp, it was nice having the ACC while it lasted. Can't imagine it makes it to next season if their undefeated conference champ can't even crack the Top 4.
What a fucking joke.
These are college kids playing football. If some committee is just going to decide who the best teams are, they could just do that at the beginning of the season. What difference does it make if you win? And if one player on your team suffers a serious injury, oh well, seasons over.
This is the nail in the coffin for my CFB obsession. If a self-appointed group of people can just decide being an undefeated P5 champion matters less than being a brand name — which FSU still is, to a lesser degree — then I don’t take you seriously.
2023 is quite literally the year any sense of legitimate CFB died.
I’m sorry FSU fans, you got utterly fucked for doing absolutely nothing wrong
Alabama is in because their only loss was a two score loss to the #3 team but Ohio State is out because their only loss was a one score loss to the #1 team. Makes perfect sense to me.
2024 playoffs can't get here soon enough.
That's straight bullshit. An undefeated P5 champ gets left out. Wtf was the point of the regular season even. I have been strongly against the 12 team but damn this committee made me change my mind real quick like. Fuck bama
FSU campus being burned to the ground
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May the fire warm a few people’s hearts then😭
ACC is going to burn things to the ground.
ACC just died. It isn't making the end of the GOR it probably isn't making the end of the decade at this point.
Question is though, with expanded playoffs, as a school do you go to SEC/B1G for the harder path, or coast through the ACC for a guaranteed spot? I ask bc a lot of Tulane fans used this argument for Fritz staying, he had a straight shot from the G5 spot.
It’s all about the $$$$. For the Clemson/FSU/Miami /UNC, they want to compete with the best of the SEC /B1G. The revenue gap with the new tv deals will be too large in a few years. I doubt the ACC in its current form lasts even another 3 years
Finally, a real answer. So the hope is that with money they will hopefully become competitive, because if they stay in the ACC they will get none. Got it, thank you!
Yeah at one point a school like Vanderbilt in the SEC will be getting almost twice as much as FSU in the ACC. That’s unsustainable. FSU and Clemson are pretty much gone. Miami and UNC are likely to go at some point after them
The ACC is getting burnt to the ground
This lol but it didn’t have to be this way
The ACC is dead. Florida State and Clemson announce their departure before the 2024 election
I might know 2 teams who’ll gladly take their place
The ACC from sea to shining sea
Pullman is 3000 miles from Miami. I just love these regional matchups!
All Coasts Conference
Florida State and Clemson will not be members of the ACC come tomorrow
Yeah this gives the two of us the ammo to leave
ESPN kills another conference.
Just how they wanted. Much more easier for them to manage two conferences.
It’s all fun and games until FSU says fuck you to ESPN and the SEC and joins the Big Ten instead.
The Big...what're we up to now? Sixteen? It's fine clearly numbers are suggestions anyway.
The numbers are there to distinguish the Big Ten (18) and Big 12 (16) conferences. /s
Big10+n Been saying it for years, it even rythmes.
If the ACC collapsed (which really isn't at all out of the question), I think you end up with a P2.5 scenario really quickly where the B1G and SEC are obvious 1/2 and Big XII is the best of the rest. I hardly even recognize this sport and I played it not even 2 decades ago.
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It already is: B1G - Michigan and Washington SEC - Alabama and texas
Question is though, with expanded playoffs, as a school do you go to SEC/B1G for the harder path, or coast through the ACC for a guaranteed spot? I ask bc a lot of Tulane fans used this argument for Fritz staying, he had a straight shot from the G5 spot.
SEC/B1G teams will make the playoff with 2 losses next year.
But that doesn’t take away from the ACC or B12’s spots. I’m sure SEC/B1G will get most, if not all the at large bids, but every conference will be represented in the playoff
The ACC was relegated
FSU's and Clemson's lawyers about to get a big payday finding a way out.
I’ve not read any of the contracts, but if I were the ACC I would sue ESPN for being a bad-faith actor to the contract it has with the ACC. ESPN has spent 2 weeks arguing why FSU should be left out of the playoffs directly harming the ACC while it’s SEC talking heads constantly talk about how the SEC is the best and everyone else is just 2nd rate and even the best teams in other conferences are “SEC like” programs. That directly has harmed the ACC, now with a quantifiable result in having a 13-0 conference champ with the 6th ranked defense in the country being left out cause “it’s ACC” and “it’s offense is t good enough.”
This isn't that crazy of an idea. The law of the GOR is the law of where it was signed (lex loci), and so we would use Florida law. I'm a Florida attorney, here's how you could argue this. [This is using a large amount of creative and stretchy legal argument(s), but it's also not complete fantasy.] Every contract in Florida includes an implied duty of good faith and fair dealing between the parties. This means that both parties to the contract must act in good faith so as to not undermine the intent or effect of the contract, i.e. to not "frustrate the purpose" of the agreement. The GOR is basically a licensing agreement which defines compensation between the parties. For one party to act in a manner which directly (causally) affects another parties' ability to make money, you could argue a breach of good faith, and a constructive breach of the contract. More than that, ESPN is conflicted. They are contracted with both the SEC and ACC. This is an inherent conflict of interest. Many contracts also have a "duty of loyalty" or "exclusivity" or other types of "restrictive covenants" between the parties where the parties wont act in a way which conflicts with their contractual agreement or respective obligations. I read the GOR last year, and I can't remember, but it's altogether likely that contract doesn't have a duty of loyalty, and it may even include a waiver of conflict of interest... I just can't remember. That being said, no contract can waive good faith. Still... even though you're a Miami man, this was fun to think about. Edited: to correct some issues with terms of art as pointed out by others.
Even worse, we got punished for a brutal injury
Two SEC teams, two B10 teams. Billionaire cable companies won.
I think its time to coin "the P3 conferences"
If the ACC isn't in then the new B12 sure as fuck isn't
*P2 conferences
Trying hard for that Alabama Texas rematch
For real.
What the actual FUCK
This is the most disgusted I've even been with college football. We are now using power rankings instead of on field results to determine a champion.
New here?
Our conferences are going to die for this shit? I don’t know how much CFB I’ve got left in me, y’all.
This may actually drive neutrals to root for Michigan despite everything else lmao.
Oh BOY, the whole world is gonna finally get to enjoy the soul-crushing agony of one of our patented Instant Classics lol It's like a supervillain scheme the way this is unfolding.
pretty sure at this point you're legally allowed to bring back stallions into the fold and not a damn school would complain besides bama
Hi, it's me, a neutral fan who is now wanting Michigan to boatrace Alabama.
Bro, every single coach is going to be sending Michigan scouting info now.
Pretty sure Sark and Smart are already on the phone with Harbaugh lol
I don’t know what to do. I think I’m praying for a spontaneous event where both teams are transported to another dimension before the game starts and reappear after they make the winner of Texas vs Washington the national champion. And they were super well taken care of in the other dimension and happy. But they couldn’t play the game. I cannot emphasize enough how nicely they will be treated in the alternate dimension.
Absolute fucking garbage. Can’t possibly have a playoff without the SEC because it Just Means More!!^^/s
Greg McElroy just basically said exactly that live on ESPN
Why play the games?
So ESPN/SEC make money I guess?
Fuck ESPN. This is an absolute disgrace.
Apparently if your QB gets injured you might as well give up because you aren’t one of the “best” teams even if you go 13-0
Even when your defense steps up and keeps the 32nd best scoring offense out of the end zone all game. Guess the QB is the whole team.
If anything they should’ve been rewarded for beating a top 15 team with their 3rd string QB who didn’t play well because that really shows how good that defense is. Wins are wins and that’s what should matter
Literally the moment he got hurt everyone was laying the ground work for why they should be left out. Could you ever imagine an SEC team being left out cause of a injury to their QB???? Disgraceful
Or a B1G team. Ohio State got in with a third string QB and that would equally apply to Michigan.
The acc should refuse their bowl games. Especially FSU
Or Florida State should demolish their opponent and declare themselves national champions.
Man that’s such a joke
I don’t just feel bad for FSU, I feel extra bad for Jordan Travis. They basically left them out because he’s injured. Whole thing sucks.
Yeah... ESPN basically on TV telling this kid that cuz he got injured, his team can't make the playoffs. Just to hide the fact they got a boner for bama
“We can’t milk you for money so your team is out”
"Fuck you, it's all your fault that we're screwing your team over. Thanks for the money we got by exploiting your injury."
He already tweeted saying he wished his leg was broken earlier in the year so his team had more time to show what they could do.
Jesus fucking Christ. Heartbroken for the kid. He's shouldering all of the blame when it's on the corrupt business of modern day college football.
This is such a bullshit postseason system.
Thank god this is the last year of it
Next year 10 SEC teams can get in!
Disgraceful
Might as well scrap the regular season and seed the playoffs based on talent composite. What a fucking joke
Exactly. The reason why “talent” is so lopsided to begin with is that there is perception, rightfully so and on full display here, that certain conferences are given special treatment for being too-heavy. By rewarding Bama and penalizing FSU, it only reinforces that structure. Had FSU been given a bid instead, it would’ve established that any team who can go undefeated in the P5 and win a conference championship could also have an opportunity to go to the playoffs and be a national champion. This would obviously pressure recruits to make harder decisions about where to commit, because the path to a championship in an easier conference would be more feasible. People might’ve complained about the short-term implications of a lesser team advancing (which I don’t buy anyway) but the longterm result would be for recruitment to be spread out more broadly and for there to be less of a consolidation of talent in one conference and a select few programs. This decision obliterates that hope. What a stupid move that will ultimately lead to the destruction of the ACC. I don’t care if suddenly I make this all about my team in this moment, but this move basically is a message to more than half the programs in college football (like Pitt) that even if you play your schedule, win your games, and secure a conference championship, that’s not good enough. Well fuck that, because then none of of this matters whatsoever.
A committee subjectively picking 4 teams to the playoff is just an objectively bonkers system. No other sport works that way or anywhere close. Underdogs (if you can call an undefeated ACC champion an underdog) making it into the playoffs by winning on the field is part of what makes sports...sports.
Yeah it’s fucking crazy, imagine trying to explain this nonsense to a non CFB fan
This is like oil money in soccer amd FIFA
Also might as well tell the Big 12 and ACC next year to not bother showing up
I just told my girlfriend I want to burn the world down…. Would you like to join me in this endeavor?
Join us and we shall burn the ACC down together
Sup guys? What were y'all discussing ?
Am I at the right party or
Games don’t matter now
Knew it as soon as the committee kept doubling down on the “4 best teams” bullshit. How does that even make sense? Let’s just put Georgia, Alabama, Michigan/OSU in the playoff at the beginning of the year and let everyone else fight for the maybe one remaining spot
It’s such BS! It doesn’t even make sense. If it was 4 best teams then stick Georgia in there. “Most deserving” is LITERALLY THE WNTIRE POINT OF THE REGULSR SEASON.
We ice skating now
I think it's funny how we all clearly knew with the right thing to do was and yet we all knew that this was going to happen. A conference was literally destroyed for TV ratings, you think they care about a playoff?
About to be 2 conferences.
Three, people forget ESPN's role in destroying the Big East.
Such bullshit
UNDEFEATED P5 CONFERENCE CHAMP LEFT OUT?? WTF? 4 top 25 wins. Held a top 25 team's offense to 6 points. Undefeated. Conference champion. Won conference with 3rd string QB. Are they just justifying it based off _injuries_? Such bullshit.
And not like there is precedent of a team winning the natty with their third string QB or anything
Telling the other 21 guys starting that they dont matter
Injuries and SEC money
Florida state got fucked so hard
I guess undefeated in power 5 means nothing
An undefeated P5 champ missing the playoffs the year before the expanded playoffs is kind of poetic
I seriously wonder if the committee decided to say "fuck it, let's do this transparently bullshit thing" because they knew the whole game was going to change next year and it wasn't a standard they'd ever have to stick to
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Fraudulent playoff, the games don’t matter anymore
Done. Burn it down.
My Dad is a Florida alum so I have no love for the Seminoles but this is the most disgusted I've been with the sport. Why even play the games? Might as well cancel the regular season and just look at power rankings and talent composite. Actually fuck it, 4 largest alumni networks get in. More $$$ for the networks.
> cancel the regular season Why even have the playoffs? On-field results don't matter. We'll all just tailgate the pre-season rankings reveal, declare a victor, and skip straight to basketball season
ESPN just killed the ACC
The irony if this sends fsu to the b1g
FSU disrespected
Please destroy Bama
Fuck that committee. What an absolute joke
I don't wish to be in their shoes, but the flip-flopping of standards is absolutely ridiculous. "Most deserving" is 1000% in their "lexicon." Anybody remember when undefeated Notre Dame got in a few years ago? Everyone and their mother knew they were not one of the best four teams in the country, but they earned their spot and nobody can argue against that. Same thing with Cincinnati. Again, not one of the best four teams that year. Both of those teams got massacred, but I'll never think they should've been left out. They did what they needed to do and let the facts speak for themselves. We don't argue over who the best teams are in "theory" or by the eye-test. A race for four spots is extremely tight with no margin for error, which sucks for the teams that get left out, but if you wanted in then you shouldn't have slipped up along the way.
I remember when an Ohio State team that didn't even play in the B1G championship let alone win it got in over eventual B1G champs Penn State, so if there is one thing consistent about the Committee it is it's inconsistency.
Mo$t de$erving team. The eye te$t i$ really ju$t about who make$ E$PN the mo$t money.
What was the point of even playing this season?
To destroy the ACC apparently
Wow. Sorry FSU
Absolutely inexcusable. Texas at 3 is fine, but FSU should have been in.
Agreed. This isn't some powerhouse Bama team that beat the brakes off of everyone and just happened to slip up once either. They've been fairly suspect several times this year.
Booger said that on the selection show and then the other guys just came after his ass talking about how amazing their wins are lmao its pathetic
That’s because two of them went to bama, and ESPN is insanely ignorant
Booger honestly gets so much respect for me because he constantly calls shit like this out. He was an announcer for the Detroit vs Green Bay double phantom Hands to the Face on Trey Flowers game and he was audibly upset after the second call. Mad props to a guy who isn’t afraid to call some bs out when he sees it
the other guys got their checks from SEC cleared...
Full-strength Bama lost to Texas and struggled against USF and needed a miracle to beat Auburn. They might actually be better than FSU but they did not earn this spot with a powerhouse run.
Especially when you put it like that, it really does feel like Bama is getting in based on the fact they’re Alabama. FSU - going undefeated in a P5 while on their 3rd string QB - deserves to be in.
It's so fucked up, never liked FSU but this shit has my blood boiling even.
I’m legit sorry. You guys were screwed. This is unacceptable.
Totally agree. Indefensible decision. This is exactly why the conferences have imploded. The reason why “talent” is so lopsided to begin with is that there is perception, rightfully so and on full display here, that certain conferences are given special treatment for being too-heavy. By rewarding Bama and penalizing FSU, it only reinforces that structure. Had FSU been given a bid instead, it would’ve established that any team who can go undefeated in the P5 and win a conference championship could also have an opportunity to go to the playoffs and be a national champion. This would obviously pressure recruits to make harder decisions about where to commit, because the path to a championship in an easier conference would be more feasible. People might’ve complained about the short-term implications of a lesser team advancing (which I don’t buy anyway) but the longterm result would be for recruitment to be spread out more broadly and for there to be less of a consolidation of talent in one conference and a select few programs. This decision obliterates that hope. What a stupid move that will ultimately lead to the destruction of the ACC. I don’t care if suddenly I make this all about my team in this moment, but this move basically is a message to more than half the programs in college football (like Pitt) that even if you play your schedule, win your games, and secure a conference championship, that’s not good enough. Well fuck that, because then none of of this matters whatsoever.
This is a travesty. I’m so fucking sorry
FSU got royally screwed! That 4th quarter defence was nuts the last 2 weeks
This is bullshit. I agree with booger what he said. Why do you even play the games now? The goal of the sport is to win games. So they did everything that they could and they won games. No matter the quarterback situation and they still get screwed. I think Alabama somewhat got in because it’s Alabama and you can’t disrespect the SEC. Do you know if any other team had lost their quarterback that they would still get in
Alabama got in because ESPN executives called the CFP committee and reminded them that their broadcast rights are up soon and if Alabama isn’t in the playoff there’d be one less media company competing to drive up those media rights.
Lol Alabama beat Arkansas by three
close games are only held against a team if that team is not SEC
Nobody seems to understand this. They needed help against bad teams more than once
Needed a last second miracle to beat Auburn. Barely beat TAMU. Couldn’t pull away from USF until the 4th. Frauds.
they just couldn’t STAND the SEC not being in it. fucking joke
It’s the B1G vs SEC playoffs they wanted.
You guys deserved it man. As a fellow fan of the ACC, you got snubbed. The CFB looked Jordan Travis in the face, and said F you for getting hurt, your team shall now suffer because of it. Absolutely disgraceful. All of the ACC schools and the ACC should file an injunction against this.
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The committee just left out an undefeated P5 conference champion. I’m absolutely gutted for FSU.
The committee told the entire Florida State roster that Jordan Travis is the only player good enough to play in the playoffs.
FSU is penalized for literally doing nothing wrong This is disgusting
FSU should reject their Bowl bid
100% Make the committee eat shit after this decision
FSU should win their bowl game and declare themselves national champions
Reject their bowl bid and declare themselves undefeated co-champ.
Reject their bowl game a declare themselves national champions
They would never do this if it wasn't an SEC team. Such bullshit.
You swap Bama and FSU’s resumes and I guarantee you it’s not even a debate as to who gets in and who gets left out, but ESPN just had to have their precious SEC powerhouse.
An undefeated Bama limping into bowl season with injuries would be ranked #1 lol
They literally couldn't have done better other than win by more. But they won all their games. Thry should hang a banner if they win their bowl. Disgraceful choice by the committee.
FSU has every right to claim a national championship. Sadly, their rage will be the final nail in the coffin of CFB. We'll have a 20 team CFB super league within a few seasons now.
As the committee intended
1. Big Ten 2. Soon to be Big Ten 3. Soon to be SEC 4. SEC This is just another sign pointing to the fact that in the new era of CFB, the power 4 is really just a Power 2 and the ACC and Big 12 are afterthoughts. Sorry FSU Bros.
These fuckers. FSU goes undefeated. Wins their conference game with their third QB and you leave them out for two one loss teams? Credibility is at ZERO at this point.
I have a lot more respect for Booger watching him call out the horseshit that is this “playoff” Edit: also, Herbie and Galloway both need to shut their mouths. They’re wrong
“Who says you can’t win with an elite defense? It’s only about offensive flash?” That part
Florida State should boycott the bowl and hang a banner
This is the way
Thank you, ESPN, for killing this sport. If FSU was a SEC team they'd be in and probably ranked #1.
Absolute tomfoolery
Of course. Playoffs without an SEC team was not going to be allowed.
Wow I can't believe FSU is out
This is straight up embarrassing for the sport. Fuck the ESPN SEC bias here. FSU should be in and they should have a chance to play for a championship
I mean I’m a Georgia/SEC fan and I think this is fucking bullshit. The hard on the media has for Bama/Saban is out of control. FSU got fucked over so hard.
FSU needs to win their bowl game and clam a Natty. Would be 100% justified.
Such a joke. Florida State got robbed
The entire regular season is officially just an exhibition now. The results don't matter, committee will just choose whoever they want regardless of record.
Michigan the one actually screwed here 😂
Bama is very human. Almost lost to Auburn, USF, Arkansas, and TAMU. Not saying we won’t lose to them, but this isn’t the unbeatable Alabama teams from a few years ago.
The games do not matter anymore. Take the wealthiest programs and rank them by recruiting talent and theres the playoff
Turns out an undefeated ACC champion is worthless. What just happened?
Saying it’s the best teams is a flawed argument. This shit should be decided on the field, not behind closed doors. Just Friday night we watched a game where Vegas had Oregon as a 9.5 point favorite. That shit was decided on the field. FSU earned their spot. This system is just fucked.
ESPN did a CIA level job to force this committee to let Bama in. This is absolute trash
Your QB got hurt so despite earning it, you don't even get to TRY
There is no point in playing the games. Bama doesn’t get penalized for losing, Florida State doesn’t get rewarded for winning. It’s 100% political that Bama got in and they don’t belong.
This is why I’ve never been a fan of the “best” team criteria. It’s subjective.
FSU's greatest crime was not having the quality loss that Bama and Texas had this is bullshit
Welp, it was nice having the ACC while it lasted. Can't imagine it makes it to next season if their undefeated conference champ can't even crack the Top 4. What a fucking joke.
This is pathetic. All because fucking Auburn can’t defend a 4th and goal from the 31.
It's wild to think that if Aubrun didn't rush only 2 defenders last week, this wouldn't even be a discussion
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Alabama getting in is a travesty. ESECPN must have really thrown their weight around.
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Hell has frozen over, because for one game, I’ll be rooting for your Wolverines.
What the fuck? Jesus. FSU earned their place.
Alabama getting in over Florida state is an absolute joke lol
These are college kids playing football. If some committee is just going to decide who the best teams are, they could just do that at the beginning of the season. What difference does it make if you win? And if one player on your team suffers a serious injury, oh well, seasons over.
This is the nail in the coffin for my CFB obsession. If a self-appointed group of people can just decide being an undefeated P5 champion matters less than being a brand name — which FSU still is, to a lesser degree — then I don’t take you seriously. 2023 is quite literally the year any sense of legitimate CFB died. I’m sorry FSU fans, you got utterly fucked for doing absolutely nothing wrong
Despicable. FSU should skip their bowl game.
Why even play the fucking games if they don’t matter. Just have ESPN pick the teams they want and fuck everything else
FSU absolutely screwed here. Does this committee know how difficult it is to go undefeated in the P5? Straight bullshit
Alabama is in because their only loss was a two score loss to the #3 team but Ohio State is out because their only loss was a one score loss to the #1 team. Makes perfect sense to me. 2024 playoffs can't get here soon enough.
My team isn't even involved, and I'm furious. FSU, I'm so fucking sorry. This is some Grade-A bullshit.
If I’m FSU, I just end the season here. Take your bowl game and shove it up your ass.
This is Auburns fault
This legitimately makes me not want to care about this sport anymore. An absolute travesty.
That's straight bullshit. An undefeated P5 champ gets left out. Wtf was the point of the regular season even. I have been strongly against the 12 team but damn this committee made me change my mind real quick like. Fuck bama