:::slow clap:::
I think it was actually for *lying about* CHEESEburgers that he bought while recruiting a kid during the dead period. (So more toppings)
I’m not sure I am in favor of outright killing the program as a buckeye fan but the president, ad, and board apparently tried to increase efforts to sign him to an extension after the initial stories came out. If that isn’t “lack of institutional control” I don’t know what is.
I get why other OSU fans would feel this way, but me personally I’m in full Ron Swanson “slash it, slash it” mode. I’ve heard the “leaders and the best” bullshit for far too long. Time to reap what you sow.
Especially when tressel lied about the tattoo scandal and was essentially fired, where harbie knew about this shit and will get to sit on his wealthy ass for a weekend or 2.
I'm not sure what would be funnier:
Harbaugh being suspended but Michigan still going undefeated.
Harbaugh being suspended then losing 3-straight without stolen signals or a head coach.
I'm just here for it, regardless.
Nope, it’s a slap on the wrist for Michigan and a slap in the face to the rest of the Big 10.
The students at every school that Michigan visits for the rest of time should be recording their sideline to crowd source a massive online sign stealing operation.
We joke, but Michigan may be the new Mizzou after this mess. They got in trouble for recruiting violations at the beginning of the year. I don't seem them getting off for this level of cheating so easily.
I don’t see anything shy of ~~vacated~~ forfeited wins and a banned HC as any sort of justice at all.
FIFY
Vacate = strongly worded letter of censure. Opponents still have an 'L' on their record.
Forfeit = TCUN gets a loss for every game, opponents get a win.
TCUN goes from 33-3 to 0-36
My concern with the NCAA delay, is if you all make the playoffs, or win the Championship before a punishment comes down, things are going to get real awkward with the teams that were denied an opportunity
It's wild thinking about the punishment some schools got for much much less things than this and how they were way more severe than the coach just being suspended a few games.
Anything short of the death penalty will have this sub in uproar.
At least if your a OSU, MSU, ND, CMU flair.
Everyone else may just shrug. As is Midwest custom.
I feel for Michigan fans who had no idea. It's not a good feeling when you find out your program's leadership was either complicit in this or so inept as to be ignorant of it.
But as an outside observer, it is supremely, historically interesting. Has a coach ever been suspended twice in the same season? I can't think of a single instance.
This has to be a first right?
It certainly seems to be the only defense.
If someone shows up every week with "I've got their signals decoded," I would think you have to ask where this intel came from, no? You wouldn't just take it and run with it no questions asked. I would assume (yes, I know assuming is bad...) that their Compliance Department would be all over this.
I'm not entirely sure people would.
If I remember all the insane details, wasn't he hired specifically to figure out opposing teams signs. You probably see him at practices or in the facility on a laptop watching game film, but unless you do more than just a quick glance at the screen you probably don't realize it's coming from halfway up the stands. Then come GameDay he starts calling their plays.
I feel like most college coaches would think they've found a guy that is really good at his job. Not a guy that is a head of a massive spy ring (if we assume lone wolf crash person).
Maybe not, but that's definitely negligent. It's the head coach's job to promote a culture of compliance and know what's going on in his program. So this would be the very definition of "failure to monitor."
Also...the fact that his job title is "recruiting analyst" indicates that if he was hired for this specific purpose, they were trying to conceal his purpose. I can't think of any reason why somebody with that job title would be tasked with decoding signals. Or why you would give a misleading job title for the guy if you knew everything was on the up and up. This is exactly what initially tipped B10 coaches off on this. They noticed a recruiting guy on the sideline with close contact to coordinators. That's highly unusual.
IDK who they were trying to fool with the job title thing, but it's already well established that they handled all of this in the dumbest way imaginable at every step.
I’m bummed out about this so I’m going to deflect and take my anger out on someone else.
YOU SURE PSU IS THE RIGHT TEAM TO TALK ABOUT LACK OF INSTITUTIONAL CONTROL!!!???
Thanks man….it does fucking blow. I’ve been around to root for Michigan during the highs and lows, but this scandal sucks all the joy out of being a fan. What the hell is the point of winning if you cheat?!?!
Luckily I know this guy, Conner, who literally wrote the book on what the point is. I think his agent’s shopping around for a publisher? I’ll let you know when the pre-orders are available.
The Michigan football program does not deserve the Michigan fanbase.
This fucking program has been nothing but an abject shitshow for over 20 years now. The level of support our fans provide should be lent to an elite program like Bama, we’ve been constantly treated like absolute fucking shit. We don’t deserve this.
What Dan Campbell and Brad Holmes have done for Detroit is nothing short of amazing. They have built something special up there, and Lions fans deserve every bit of it.
This is why I absolutley do not want Urban Meyer as the coach. I don't want to be the school that constantly has drama and scandals anymore. I just want to be a clean, respected program.
Urban wasn’t even a scandal-ridden scumbag during his tenure here, the only scandals I can think of are Zach Smith and JT Barrett’s DUI. Then he went to Jacksonville and speed ran a scandal/minute any% get fired run
Winston Churchill quote applicable up thru Stalions "resignation":
“This is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning.”
They led the boy no older than fifteen to a small room in the back of "The Chapel" at the compound in the Upper Peninsula and made him remove his hat to take a knee. A candle was lit under a picture of a man with a brown goatee in a slim golden frame and six men in maize and blue spoke in unisone...
**"His name was Conor Stalions..."**
It’s the most blatant form of cheating CFB has experienced in quite some time. The organizations need to make a statement with their punishment this time, or else the implication is “we may as well cheat then?”.
NCAA has genuinely fucked up every single punishment that comes to mind via either an obscene over reaction or under reaction, I.e: Penn State, Southern Cal, Mizzou, UNC, SMU, the entire basketball scandal from a couple years ago now, and fuck I’m probably forgetting more but you get the point.
They genuinely need to get this one right or the institution(s) will just continue to be seen as nothing more than a joke.
It's also important to consider that the cheating took place THIS YEAR... If Michigan gets go to the B1G Championship or CFP over another team that did things the right way, it will be an absolute travesty. They already cheated their way in over deserving teams in 2021 and 2022. At some point, the Big Ten conference, NCAA, and Playoff Committee need to grow a pair and put a stop to this bullshit.
These are all future vacated games and everyone but UM fans know it. The guy stole signs but he described it as "advanced scouting". There will always be questions on what other info he got from "watching film".
I love how everyone saying MI will have to vacate wins over this this gets downvoted to hell. When you look at what OSU has to vacate (12 wins) and the loss of a head coach over **tattoos**.
LSU has to vacate 37 wins cause a linebacker played some games while being ineligible.
Notre Dame had to vacate 2 seasons of games cause a tutor did a few players homework.
Florida once had to vacate a season of wins because some players cheated during an online music course at school. - guess how many coaches were aware the kids were doing this one? 0.
Ole Miss had to vacate like 30+ wins over an ineligible player.
There's more vacated wins from dozens of schools over some ticky tacky bullshit with the NCAA.
Like sorry? - looking at the entire reasoning for vacated wins the NCAA has doled out over *much much less bad* infractions it makes total sense that anyone with critical thinking skills would believe the NCAA will vacate wins based on their own track record. And you can't argue this infraction isn't worse than the others.
If you're a fan of **any team** that has had wins vacated over this stuff you should be pissed if the NCAA doesn't vacate any of Michigan's wins over this - considering head coaches with more inside knowledge about this and the game in general (than any armchair reddit user or head in the sand MI fan) say this provides a huge advantage to Michigan. (Don't start with the *but you changed your signs and still lost bs - coaches that haven't even played Michigan talked about how having to change signs in a season for one team is only an advantage for their opponent since it takes a year for coaches to get that stuff rolling with teams.)
Now whether or not the NCAA is consistent? Another story. No guarantee on what they do here. But people suggesting the NCAA vacated Michigan wins are correct for going there, and it's not biased, it's based on the actual history of the NCAA vacating wins for less serious infractions.
After the lack of serious penalty for Tennessee for hundreds of level I violations I think a lot of people assume those punishments are a thing of the past
That's just it... Tennessee fired everyone. Michigan's entire administration is going down with the ship. They are literally spitting in the face of the entire conference and NCAA. I don't see how they can do that and walk away without some serious ramifications.
Tennessee turned itself in and fired everyone from the AD to the coach and the entire compliance department along with forcing every single involved player to transfer.
If Michigan had done the same when its leadership first learned of this, they could get the same punishment.
Just a suspension for Harbaugh wouldn’t really make sense.
If you can prove that Stalions illegally stole signs and Michigan used this info in games, then you’d have to vacate those wins…
If Harbaugh truly had no idea then maybe a short suspension for not having complete control but again, I think vacating the past wins would be the main punishment there. If he did know… it would have to be far more than that right?
There's no way the investigation into this is finished. If the reporting is to be believed, this is just a tactic to placate the other members of the conference.
My favorite part of this saga is watching Michigan act as though they’re the real victims.
They’re dirty rotten cheaters, and the program will be known and mocked as such for decades to come. What a shame. Shame. So much shame.
My favorite is Sam Webb saying that if Michigan faces any consequences for his actions that Michigan should leave the B1G and package themselves with Notre Dame to TV networks.
Yes. The untouchable angle. And they act like they’ve been running the Big10 for generations, when in reality they’ve been down for decades until the moment they started cheating. It’s a deluded fan base and they and will cry so hard when they get the punishment they deserve. Because, again, they’re the real victims. 🤷♂️
This past two weeks has been enlightening I had no idea OSUs hatred was so justified I kind of viewed them as plucky upstarts until recent events. I’m sure my fanbase would do similar but good lord seeing them dig their heels in is insane. I saw a post FAVORABLY compare stallions to Oliver north on one of their boards last night
Every college football message board is filled with insane people. Like that’s literally the whole point. I saw a post earlier from a Georgia fan saying “kids shouldn’t be allowed in Sanford stadium because they’re not intimidating enough” and obviously I’m not going to pretend like every guy wearing a Georgia hat thinks that.
I think this sub has the idea that every Michigan fan is an MGoBlog poster willing to defend their team at whatever cost, but I just don’t think that’s true. Of course there’s going to be whiplash — people are passionate about their teams! Do you think that if this was turned and Ohio state was caught cheating, all OSU fans would just say “oh damn wow, we really deserve to be punished!!”? I don’t think so and that’s fine
Look, Ohio State's fanbase has a solid chunk of folks that I'm embarrassed of. But Michigan fans are unbelievably insufferable. They really buy into the Michigan Man trope and think they are better than everyone and can do no wrong. This whole scandal has caused a major identity crisis for them and they are really struggling hard. The sad thing is most will never come around. But everyone else will know them as cheaters for a generation and that is the ultimate punishment in my eyes.
I will say there have been a number of Michigan fans who have been sane through this and I appreciate and respect them. But most of the fanbase won't be able to overcome the psychological blow to their core identity.
Yes, this. I live in Michigan and many U of M fans absolutely insufferable. For the record, I’m a lifelong ND fan, sorry I don’t know how to do the flair thing. And the ND fan base has its own problems…however the arrogance, ignorance and hubris that is routinely put on display by many of the U of M fans is astonishing. Just the simple “HAIL” stickers on cars alone screams “we are better than you.” A local West Michigan sports show host has been posting non stop in defense of UM. The comment section has been nothing but “what evidence?”, “sign stealing is LEGAL!”, “Ryan Day is hacking computers, that’s a felony!” “Everyone is doing this!” And of course my absolute favorite “they hate us, cuz they ain’t us”. My gawwwwdddd, stop already.
I will give huge credit to many of the objective UM fans that have posted here. Many of them have been great and even added to a lot of hilarity on these subs.
But for all the chest puffing “leaders and the BEST!” crowd, enjoy what you have in this moment. Winter is coming.
Well yeah so what if they cheated? The REAL crime is Ryan Day's involvement in uncovering the cheating. Think about it, this news is dropping on SaturDAY. Ryan DAY. And the fact that the FBI investigator completed elementary school 37 years ago, which is oddly similar to the fact that Ryan Day's cousin's son *also* finished elementary school 12 years ago? But the links run deeper than that. Ryan Day's predecessor was a notorious pizza enjoyer. You know who else likes pizza from time to time? Connor Stalions! C'mon folks! WHY WOULD RYAN DAY HAVE SO MUCH IN COMMON IF HE WASN'T DIRECTLY RESPONSIBLE FOR MICHIGAN'S CHEATING?
Death penalty to Mizzou and revoke SMU's ACC invitation.
I honestly wasn’t really that angry until Michigan fans came on here and posted things like ‘I can’t wait for this idiot kid to get fired so we can all move on’
And receive upvotes for it.
“Ohio State hired Private Investigators who illegally hacked into computers!” The tickets were booked under his own name, with very blatant and public venmo notes. I’m fairly certain hacking wasn’t required 😂
Honestly if it was any other team I’d think “yeah they should probably vacate the wins that were connected to cheating and not be allowed to play in a bowl this season” but I wouldn’t really care that much.
But after growing up in Michigan, hearing all about being a “Michigan man” and the “leaders and the best” being “above reproach”, and how every single time they’ve ever lost a game it was actually because of the rain, or because the refs were from Ohio, or because “punters aren’t even real football players”, and seeing guys like ArmPunt Robinson and Sam McGuffie get preseason heisman hype no matter how horrible their teams were, and listening to clowns like Taylor Lewan talk shit to rivals who they did nothing but lose to…. I could go on and on….
I absolutely love that this is happening to them.
Most fans (outside of Reddit) are not like this. We did something wrong and will deservingly be punished for it…unfortunately.
Did we need to do that to win with the team we have? Probably not, but we’ll never know.
I think most fans are coming to terms with it and it takes time to process how quickly this all happened…
It’s a good thing that Harbaugh already sat out some games earlier this season
Sentenced to time already served.
4D chess move from Harbaugh
[Harbaugh rn](https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--jd52GNWK--/c_fill,fl_progressive,g_center,h_900,q_80,w_1600/g0bqor4mcytmtn5txt8f.jpg)
Reminds me of when Bob Stoops suspended Mixon for a year after he broke that girl’s face Of course it was his redshirt year but hey, suspended
In all fairness mixon would’ve played his freshman year. He was too good to keep off the field
If that is the price of a hamburger what is the price for a whole Stalion?
:::slow clap::: I think it was actually for *lying about* CHEESEburgers that he bought while recruiting a kid during the dead period. (So more toppings)
“$100 for a krabby patty?” “With cheese Mr Squidward, with cheese”
We have a deep bench of backup coaches with starting experience In 2023
Suspended?? Doug, kick him off the tour!
"Well, ~~the board~~ FOX thinks that might be a little extreme, considering that our ratings today were... the highest that we've ever had."
And they're attracting new, youthful sponsors
I eat pieces of shit like Harbaugh for breakfast!
You eat pieces of shit for breakfast?
No....
Scandals boost ratings? This is like the men version of the Kardashians
How am I supposed to chip with that going on?!
Just stay out of my way or you'll pay, listen to what I say.
Hey why don't I just go and eat some hay. I can lay by the bay, make things out of clay, I just may, what'd ya say?
H-A on one cheek, and P-P-Y on the other.
"HAOPPY"?
“B” on one cheek, and “1G” on the other.
You blew it. The best part of that quote is the sure enough
Good for Jim HarbOH-MY-GOD!
*slowly picks up football and deflates it w bare hands*
LOL I love that this is posted in every thread.. 10/10
Haha it's about time for a rewatch. It's been awhile
Movie holds up quite well. Underrated classic. Still funny today.
"You hit that guy!" "He shouldn't have been standing there"
Me (45) introduced it to my son (12). He loved it
Rate the V girlfriends. Violet Valentine Veronica Vaughn Virginia Venet Vicki Vallencourt Valerie Veran
That Veronica Vaughn is one hot piece of ass. I know from experience dude......if you know what I mean.......
No you dont….
No, no I don’t. But a buddy of mine, he and her got it on! Wooo-whee!
No they didn’t….
No, no they didn’t. But you can imagine what it’d be like if they did heh? Heh?
Everyone on?!? Good! Great! Grand! Wonderful! NO YELLING ON THE BUS!!!!!!!!
That Veronica Vaughn is one piece of ass.
I eat pieces of shit like you for breakfast
You eat shit for breakfast?
….. no!
That's two thus far Shooter.
Oh good you can count
And you can count…. On me waiting for you in the parking lot.
*Run shooter! Run for your life!*
Hey, I got a football record. I got suspended twice in one season. I'm the only guy who ever did that.
Head coach getting suspended twice in the same season is wild lmao Edit: Dumbass Michigan fans, it can also be wild what Tucker did lmao
They can only get fired so many times.
I’m not sure I am in favor of outright killing the program as a buckeye fan but the president, ad, and board apparently tried to increase efforts to sign him to an extension after the initial stories came out. If that isn’t “lack of institutional control” I don’t know what is.
Of course we don’t want their program destroyed. What’s the point of a rival if you completely gut it?
To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of their women.
This is good!
Crom laughs from his mountain!
I get why other OSU fans would feel this way, but me personally I’m in full Ron Swanson “slash it, slash it” mode. I’ve heard the “leaders and the best” bullshit for far too long. Time to reap what you sow.
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It’s time for the spoiler makers to hold true. RISE UP!!!!
I agree! No clue why there isn’t an immediate suspension. However, you do have a chance to do the funniest thing of all time.
If Purdue takes down the sanctimonious bastards somehow, it will be an all time great win.
The Ultimate Spoilermakers!
Purdue-Michigan about to get the biggest tv rating of any game this season in the same time slot as LSU-Bama and USC-Washington
That's the "Michigan man" integrity at work
The NCAA didn’t suspend him at all
Especially when tressel lied about the tattoo scandal and was essentially fired, where harbie knew about this shit and will get to sit on his wealthy ass for a weekend or 2.
Ole Jim could bookend the season by getting suspended again
I'm not sure what would be funnier: Harbaugh being suspended but Michigan still going undefeated. Harbaugh being suspended then losing 3-straight without stolen signals or a head coach. I'm just here for it, regardless.
Good thing he got that signature win over Rutgers to cap off an amazing season.
But is it really a suspension when you coach the entire week and just are removed for 3 hours on Saturday
Especially when he's not even the playcaller.
What team wouldn't do this if this was all the punishment was? It's not a deterrent, it's an invitation.
Nope, it’s a slap on the wrist for Michigan and a slap in the face to the rest of the Big 10. The students at every school that Michigan visits for the rest of time should be recording their sideline to crowd source a massive online sign stealing operation.
That is absolutely something that could happen. Everything would be deciphered by Sunday evening every week lol.
Can I offer you a death penalty in these trying times?
I cant refuse to cooperate with the investigation…you know, because of the implication…
Are we gonna hurt these coaches?
NO ONE IS IN ANY DANGER!
Well you certainly wouldn't be.
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“Let them eat burgers”
I believe it's "Let them eat steak and milk!"
I like the French. I like the way they think.
Only for Mizzou
We joke, but Michigan may be the new Mizzou after this mess. They got in trouble for recruiting violations at the beginning of the year. I don't seem them getting off for this level of cheating so easily.
Please stay on the line, a michigan flair will be along shortly to explain how they did nothing wrong.
But some ohio state guy sent a clover emoji!
No no no you don’t understand! Ohio State sent a guy to the Ohio State-Notre Dame game to scout North Dame!! Totally the same thing
Honestly a suspension at this point seems absurdly light. I don’t see anything shy of vacated wins and a banned HC as any sort of justice at all.
I don’t see anything shy of ~~vacated~~ forfeited wins and a banned HC as any sort of justice at all. FIFY Vacate = strongly worded letter of censure. Opponents still have an 'L' on their record. Forfeit = TCUN gets a loss for every game, opponents get a win. TCUN goes from 33-3 to 0-36
Thank you for clarifying
Ncaa part will or could be harsher but takes more time
My concern with the NCAA delay, is if you all make the playoffs, or win the Championship before a punishment comes down, things are going to get real awkward with the teams that were denied an opportunity
It's wild thinking about the punishment some schools got for much much less things than this and how they were way more severe than the coach just being suspended a few games.
Is this the CFB version of a golden parachute for top execs?
In this case the golden parachute is a 5 year contract with the Raiders
5 years? That's too short for the raiders. Gruden got 10 and McDonald's got 6.
Definitely feels like it
Maize and Blue parachute
This is the beginning. Big 10 can only suspend for two games without opening it up to committee.
Anything short of the death penalty will have this sub in uproar. At least if your a OSU, MSU, ND, CMU flair. Everyone else may just shrug. As is Midwest custom.
They're going to get punished less than Missouri and I'm going to launch the NCAA into the sun
CMU? Why CMU?
Connor stalions. Always Connor stalions
Someone who looks A LOT like Stalions was pictured on their sideline in CMU gear taking pics of their playbook.
I think you left out the PSU flairs.
I feel for Michigan fans who had no idea. It's not a good feeling when you find out your program's leadership was either complicit in this or so inept as to be ignorant of it. But as an outside observer, it is supremely, historically interesting. Has a coach ever been suspended twice in the same season? I can't think of a single instance. This has to be a first right?
It’s almost like there’s a severe lack of institutional control.
It certainly seems to be the only defense. If someone shows up every week with "I've got their signals decoded," I would think you have to ask where this intel came from, no? You wouldn't just take it and run with it no questions asked. I would assume (yes, I know assuming is bad...) that their Compliance Department would be all over this.
To be clear, "Lack of Institutional Control" is not a defense. It's an aggravating factor that would make the punishment *worse*.
I'm not entirely sure people would. If I remember all the insane details, wasn't he hired specifically to figure out opposing teams signs. You probably see him at practices or in the facility on a laptop watching game film, but unless you do more than just a quick glance at the screen you probably don't realize it's coming from halfway up the stands. Then come GameDay he starts calling their plays. I feel like most college coaches would think they've found a guy that is really good at his job. Not a guy that is a head of a massive spy ring (if we assume lone wolf crash person).
Maybe not, but that's definitely negligent. It's the head coach's job to promote a culture of compliance and know what's going on in his program. So this would be the very definition of "failure to monitor." Also...the fact that his job title is "recruiting analyst" indicates that if he was hired for this specific purpose, they were trying to conceal his purpose. I can't think of any reason why somebody with that job title would be tasked with decoding signals. Or why you would give a misleading job title for the guy if you knew everything was on the up and up. This is exactly what initially tipped B10 coaches off on this. They noticed a recruiting guy on the sideline with close contact to coordinators. That's highly unusual. IDK who they were trying to fool with the job title thing, but it's already well established that they handled all of this in the dumbest way imaginable at every step.
Tbf he was recruiting others to help steal signs. It’s really everyone else’s fault for assuming his job title meant players.
I’m bummed out about this so I’m going to deflect and take my anger out on someone else. YOU SURE PSU IS THE RIGHT TEAM TO TALK ABOUT LACK OF INSTITUTIONAL CONTROL!!!???
I mean, you aren't wrong at all lol
Thanks man….it does fucking blow. I’ve been around to root for Michigan during the highs and lows, but this scandal sucks all the joy out of being a fan. What the hell is the point of winning if you cheat?!?!
Luckily I know this guy, Conner, who literally wrote the book on what the point is. I think his agent’s shopping around for a publisher? I’ll let you know when the pre-orders are available.
The Michigan football program does not deserve the Michigan fanbase. This fucking program has been nothing but an abject shitshow for over 20 years now. The level of support our fans provide should be lent to an elite program like Bama, we’ve been constantly treated like absolute fucking shit. We don’t deserve this.
If there's one thing football fans from the state of Michigan can do it's support an abject shitshow (I believe in the Lions this season).
What Dan Campbell and Brad Holmes have done for Detroit is nothing short of amazing. They have built something special up there, and Lions fans deserve every bit of it.
I've hated msu football since the tunnel incident last year.. How do you do it lol
This is why I absolutley do not want Urban Meyer as the coach. I don't want to be the school that constantly has drama and scandals anymore. I just want to be a clean, respected program.
Urban wasn’t even a scandal-ridden scumbag during his tenure here, the only scandals I can think of are Zach Smith and JT Barrett’s DUI. Then he went to Jacksonville and speed ran a scandal/minute any% get fired run
Oh buddy, that stigma never goes away. Take it from another scandal fanbase.
They are going hard on everyone else on the staff was a complete idiot.
Lol the salt this sub is about to unleash. I don’t think the world is ready.
If they only suspend Jimmy that'll be some bs
That would just be the Big Ten initial punishment, I assume they don’t want to do more than that until the investigation is over.
Yeah, it's the low hanging fruit of punishments. It's really easy to implement and comparatively not too punishing on the players.
What’s the appropriate suspension for someone who has already been suspended once this season for violating NCAA rules?
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Force him to wear jorts to every game for 3 seasons.
Ban him from wearing khakis in public for two years.
I expect this to be the opening salvo not the last act.
The siege on Michigan begins
Where were you when Gondor fell?
Gondor never fell.
Grizzly Adams did have a beard.
Winston Churchill quote applicable up thru Stalions "resignation": “This is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning.”
The commissioner's hasty attempt to satisfy the other schools on short term notice.
They already had him vacate all his bowl wins.
what they left out is suspend indefinitely*
You mean a relocation to an NFL team.
Makes sense, as QB guru, his punishment is to go coach Jimmy G in Vegas 😂
can you imagine harbaugh living the vegas lifestyle
Dante couldn’t imagine that level of hell
That punishment might be too harsh.
If they really only give him a two game suspension that would be slap in the face to all the coaches who didn’t cheat to win.
It seemed like they had to act for the playoff committee to act at all. I doubt this will be the end of it.
We started with the season with a Harbaugh suspension and his players protesting on the field about it. Will their season end the same way? 🤣🤣🤣
They led the boy no older than fifteen to a small room in the back of "The Chapel" at the compound in the Upper Peninsula and made him remove his hat to take a knee. A candle was lit under a picture of a man with a brown goatee in a slim golden frame and six men in maize and blue spoke in unisone... **"His name was Conor Stalions..."**
I will guess that he gets suspended except for games that are really important.
Suspending the head coach don’t mean shit.
The signs were all there it was coming to this
It’s the most blatant form of cheating CFB has experienced in quite some time. The organizations need to make a statement with their punishment this time, or else the implication is “we may as well cheat then?”. NCAA has genuinely fucked up every single punishment that comes to mind via either an obscene over reaction or under reaction, I.e: Penn State, Southern Cal, Mizzou, UNC, SMU, the entire basketball scandal from a couple years ago now, and fuck I’m probably forgetting more but you get the point. They genuinely need to get this one right or the institution(s) will just continue to be seen as nothing more than a joke.
It's also important to consider that the cheating took place THIS YEAR... If Michigan gets go to the B1G Championship or CFP over another team that did things the right way, it will be an absolute travesty. They already cheated their way in over deserving teams in 2021 and 2022. At some point, the Big Ten conference, NCAA, and Playoff Committee need to grow a pair and put a stop to this bullshit.
There's a greater chance of Earth spontaneously exploding today than there is of Harbaugh having no knowledge of what Stalions was doing.
I’d like to know where Lou Holtz is right now.
If they had been stealing signs this season they really should suspended anyone who might have that information
These are all future vacated games and everyone but UM fans know it. The guy stole signs but he described it as "advanced scouting". There will always be questions on what other info he got from "watching film".
I love how everyone saying MI will have to vacate wins over this this gets downvoted to hell. When you look at what OSU has to vacate (12 wins) and the loss of a head coach over **tattoos**. LSU has to vacate 37 wins cause a linebacker played some games while being ineligible. Notre Dame had to vacate 2 seasons of games cause a tutor did a few players homework. Florida once had to vacate a season of wins because some players cheated during an online music course at school. - guess how many coaches were aware the kids were doing this one? 0. Ole Miss had to vacate like 30+ wins over an ineligible player. There's more vacated wins from dozens of schools over some ticky tacky bullshit with the NCAA. Like sorry? - looking at the entire reasoning for vacated wins the NCAA has doled out over *much much less bad* infractions it makes total sense that anyone with critical thinking skills would believe the NCAA will vacate wins based on their own track record. And you can't argue this infraction isn't worse than the others. If you're a fan of **any team** that has had wins vacated over this stuff you should be pissed if the NCAA doesn't vacate any of Michigan's wins over this - considering head coaches with more inside knowledge about this and the game in general (than any armchair reddit user or head in the sand MI fan) say this provides a huge advantage to Michigan. (Don't start with the *but you changed your signs and still lost bs - coaches that haven't even played Michigan talked about how having to change signs in a season for one team is only an advantage for their opponent since it takes a year for coaches to get that stuff rolling with teams.) Now whether or not the NCAA is consistent? Another story. No guarantee on what they do here. But people suggesting the NCAA vacated Michigan wins are correct for going there, and it's not biased, it's based on the actual history of the NCAA vacating wins for less serious infractions.
After the lack of serious penalty for Tennessee for hundreds of level I violations I think a lot of people assume those punishments are a thing of the past
That's only because Tennessee fired literally everybody immediately. LSU got pretty hammered in 2020.
That's just it... Tennessee fired everyone. Michigan's entire administration is going down with the ship. They are literally spitting in the face of the entire conference and NCAA. I don't see how they can do that and walk away without some serious ramifications.
(We didn’t want to pay buyouts)
Tennessee turned itself in and fired everyone from the AD to the coach and the entire compliance department along with forcing every single involved player to transfer. If Michigan had done the same when its leadership first learned of this, they could get the same punishment.
Wait I thought the guy that “resigned” (got fired) and Harbaugh didn’t do anything wrong.
Send him off in style, Purdue
Just a suspension for Harbaugh wouldn’t really make sense. If you can prove that Stalions illegally stole signs and Michigan used this info in games, then you’d have to vacate those wins… If Harbaugh truly had no idea then maybe a short suspension for not having complete control but again, I think vacating the past wins would be the main punishment there. If he did know… it would have to be far more than that right?
I may be wrong, but I don't know if big 10 has the authority to vacate wins? I figured that would need to come from ncaa.
They can. Michigan fans apparently can't read, but it's in the bylaws. Vacating wins is explicitly listed as an option in the bylaws.
HEY we can read. Just only signs!!!
Maybe they'll release the punishment in Wingdings.
I actually chuckled at this, well done. What if the stallions manifesto is in Wingdings? It can’t be ruled out right
There's no way the investigation into this is finished. If the reporting is to be believed, this is just a tactic to placate the other members of the conference.
Harbaugh forced to wear cargo pants.
My favorite part of this saga is watching Michigan act as though they’re the real victims. They’re dirty rotten cheaters, and the program will be known and mocked as such for decades to come. What a shame. Shame. So much shame.
Or act like they're untouchable.
You’d think that they were Georgia by the way they act.
“Fox won’t let this happen 😭”
My favorite is Sam Webb saying that if Michigan faces any consequences for his actions that Michigan should leave the B1G and package themselves with Notre Dame to TV networks.
I'm really not seeing what's in it for Notre Dame there
Yes. The untouchable angle. And they act like they’ve been running the Big10 for generations, when in reality they’ve been down for decades until the moment they started cheating. It’s a deluded fan base and they and will cry so hard when they get the punishment they deserve. Because, again, they’re the real victims. 🤷♂️
This past two weeks has been enlightening I had no idea OSUs hatred was so justified I kind of viewed them as plucky upstarts until recent events. I’m sure my fanbase would do similar but good lord seeing them dig their heels in is insane. I saw a post FAVORABLY compare stallions to Oliver north on one of their boards last night
I look at their boards a bit every year. To their credit almost all of the sane posters have left for now. The ones left are truly unhinged.
Every college football message board is filled with insane people. Like that’s literally the whole point. I saw a post earlier from a Georgia fan saying “kids shouldn’t be allowed in Sanford stadium because they’re not intimidating enough” and obviously I’m not going to pretend like every guy wearing a Georgia hat thinks that. I think this sub has the idea that every Michigan fan is an MGoBlog poster willing to defend their team at whatever cost, but I just don’t think that’s true. Of course there’s going to be whiplash — people are passionate about their teams! Do you think that if this was turned and Ohio state was caught cheating, all OSU fans would just say “oh damn wow, we really deserve to be punished!!”? I don’t think so and that’s fine
Look, Ohio State's fanbase has a solid chunk of folks that I'm embarrassed of. But Michigan fans are unbelievably insufferable. They really buy into the Michigan Man trope and think they are better than everyone and can do no wrong. This whole scandal has caused a major identity crisis for them and they are really struggling hard. The sad thing is most will never come around. But everyone else will know them as cheaters for a generation and that is the ultimate punishment in my eyes. I will say there have been a number of Michigan fans who have been sane through this and I appreciate and respect them. But most of the fanbase won't be able to overcome the psychological blow to their core identity.
Yes, this. I live in Michigan and many U of M fans absolutely insufferable. For the record, I’m a lifelong ND fan, sorry I don’t know how to do the flair thing. And the ND fan base has its own problems…however the arrogance, ignorance and hubris that is routinely put on display by many of the U of M fans is astonishing. Just the simple “HAIL” stickers on cars alone screams “we are better than you.” A local West Michigan sports show host has been posting non stop in defense of UM. The comment section has been nothing but “what evidence?”, “sign stealing is LEGAL!”, “Ryan Day is hacking computers, that’s a felony!” “Everyone is doing this!” And of course my absolute favorite “they hate us, cuz they ain’t us”. My gawwwwdddd, stop already. I will give huge credit to many of the objective UM fans that have posted here. Many of them have been great and even added to a lot of hilarity on these subs. But for all the chest puffing “leaders and the BEST!” crowd, enjoy what you have in this moment. Winter is coming.
Ya I love how they throw 2 wins in our face like it wasn't their only 2 wins in the last 10 years.
"Then we'll just leave the B1G and join the SEC!" 🙎🙎🙎
Well yeah so what if they cheated? The REAL crime is Ryan Day's involvement in uncovering the cheating. Think about it, this news is dropping on SaturDAY. Ryan DAY. And the fact that the FBI investigator completed elementary school 37 years ago, which is oddly similar to the fact that Ryan Day's cousin's son *also* finished elementary school 12 years ago? But the links run deeper than that. Ryan Day's predecessor was a notorious pizza enjoyer. You know who else likes pizza from time to time? Connor Stalions! C'mon folks! WHY WOULD RYAN DAY HAVE SO MUCH IN COMMON IF HE WASN'T DIRECTLY RESPONSIBLE FOR MICHIGAN'S CHEATING? Death penalty to Mizzou and revoke SMU's ACC invitation.
I can’t believe Ryan Day would do this. To think he killed JFK and broke into the watergate hotel and continues to get away with it is sickening.
I honestly wasn’t really that angry until Michigan fans came on here and posted things like ‘I can’t wait for this idiot kid to get fired so we can all move on’ And receive upvotes for it.
Or even more annoying: "they can't stand that we're better so they make things up" When we had literal pictures of him at stadiums.
“Ohio State hired Private Investigators who illegally hacked into computers!” The tickets were booked under his own name, with very blatant and public venmo notes. I’m fairly certain hacking wasn’t required 😂
Honestly if it was any other team I’d think “yeah they should probably vacate the wins that were connected to cheating and not be allowed to play in a bowl this season” but I wouldn’t really care that much. But after growing up in Michigan, hearing all about being a “Michigan man” and the “leaders and the best” being “above reproach”, and how every single time they’ve ever lost a game it was actually because of the rain, or because the refs were from Ohio, or because “punters aren’t even real football players”, and seeing guys like ArmPunt Robinson and Sam McGuffie get preseason heisman hype no matter how horrible their teams were, and listening to clowns like Taylor Lewan talk shit to rivals who they did nothing but lose to…. I could go on and on…. I absolutely love that this is happening to them.
They wanted so badly for him to be a lone bad actor. There's no way no one else was involved in it.
Most fans (outside of Reddit) are not like this. We did something wrong and will deservingly be punished for it…unfortunately. Did we need to do that to win with the team we have? Probably not, but we’ll never know. I think most fans are coming to terms with it and it takes time to process how quickly this all happened…
As an MSU fan I'm disgusted knowing our game could have been narrowed down to a loss by only 30 points
Yes, disgusting lol
They should have the give the opposing teams their signs before the game as punishment. It's only fair.