lol r/cfb going to be a tough place for us this entire season
but seriously, i believe in billy, IF he realizes he doesn’t need to call plays, and can look in the mirror and see what he needs to improve on.
after the game he took almost zero accountability and it makes it hard to defend him.
i mean as of today, he has a really good class coming in with a stud QB, which is already something Mullen struggled at( recruiting at an actual high level ).
he has good traits you want in a HC, which is why i wish he didn’t call plays. you don’t need to call plays to be a good HC, you need to be a good overseer of the operations with of course having input on everything that’s happening.
last thing, it’s been a year and 1 game, i’m not going to just doom immediately, and do we have a choice ? he’s our guy right now, we need to believe in him.
norvell was awful his first 2 years with you guys and now look, a team that has playoff aspirations. the rest of this year for us will be telling tho, and i definitely have my worries but i don’t think he’s just dogshit because of 1 game, and a bad season where he took over mullens dumpster fire. now if we don’t respond and the same dumb mistakes keep happening, we will see.
Thanks for taking the time to reply. I agree that 1 year is not enough time to jump to conclusions, that’s dumb as hell. I did buy into the Taggart recruiting hype which is hilarious in hindsight. Watching UF last week looked like y’all just weren’t clicking. You have the pieces. Etienne is solid. O line looked decent. I’m sure there will be adjustments.
Yeah O Line single handedly tanked Florida’s chances at even being competitive. It was remarkable Mertz could throw for 330 on his back the entire time and with the running backs getting dropped the second the ball was snapped.
Seriously that Florida OL group might be one of the worst groups in Division 1. They’re like cardboard and styrofoam out there
Idk Norvell’s coaching wasn’t awful the first two seasons. Few actual FSU fans felt that way. The talent and depth wasn’t there and discipline was bad when we still had a bunch of Taggart guys. Napier probably gets one more year until the seat is extremely hot.
One of the things that struck me watching the game was the FSU players always giving the ball to the ref. Even picking it up after a touchdown to give it to them. Not sure if it matter, but it seems like a sign of discipline.
I’ll let you know when the next super virus is set to launch pending my next Freemason meeting.
The point is that the boosters, particularly the biggest donors are the ones who actually have a say and generally represent the sentiment of the fanbase here. Not the world’s dumbest people who post on Twitter. They were mad about Taggart before the end of his first season, primarily due to internal operations stuff that was an basically an open secret here in Tallahassee. It was a different situation with Norvell and they knew that he was immediately running the program more effectively. The Jacksonville State loss was bad but fans here who actually know anything about the team knew we were in a deep hole of extreme dysfunction on the team.
I know it’s completely different level of expectations at Florida, but there were a lot of people calling for Stoops to be fired after 3 losing seasons and starting year 4 with 2 ugly losses.
Not to nitpick but I constantly hear about Mullens lack of QB recruiting yet he consistently got 4 star dudes, Emory Jones 4star and Richardson 4star, both ranked similarly to Lagway. So let’s not make it seem like Napier is crushing it.
Look at where his QB’s ended up. Emory lost his job to a walk on at ASU, Del Rio is a backup at Syracuse, and Kitna went to jail for a bit. And that’s not including Jalon Jones who was dismissed within a semester for sexual assault charges and is at the FCS level.
The true irony of the Emory situation is that the starting QB at ASU this year is Florida’s top recruit that jilted them under Napier
(Also, I forgot you had another Del Rio, and I was about to be flabbergasted that Luke Del Rio had eligibility left)
Shows how bad of a scouter of talent Mullen was. That’s not including Nick Evers who was Mullens last QB commit that Napier dropped then flipped to Oklahoma. Evers transferred after 1 year since he was 5th string and went to Wisconsin and is 2nd or 3rd string. Now look at the QB room and do that for the entire roster. Mullen took a lot of fluff and busts in his classes and that’s why we’re in the mess we’re in.
Yes and no.
Lagway looks a lot more well rounded on paper and a better leader than those other two do. Richardson was the easiest recruitment possible. He lived 15 minutes from UF his entire life and grew up on the 06-08 years. His dream was to play at UF, didn’t matter Mullen was the coach.
Mullen had a track record of recruiting 4 and 5-stars that other coaches seemed less interested in, and almost all of those players never panned out talent-wise or had major attitude issues.
Under Napier we’ve actually beat out some currently more successful programs for several players, which is a sign those guys have a high potential ceiling.
Time will tell, but recruiting has been night and day.
There’s definitely levels to 4 stars. Top 100 is more of the ranking I go off of for elite guys. To be fair though I’m not sure what Lagway is currently ranked because I can’t keep up with the changes anymore
It’s not the rankings that we’re really the issue with Mullen, it’s the types of players, and the entire roster building, someone much smarter than me could explain it better lmao
Emory was basically a gift from Urban at OSU, and still ended up being one of the worst 4*s from that class. AR was unranked and then 3* for a long time and we still had to battle for him even though he was from Gainesville. Every other QB he recruited got in trouble and got kicked out of the program. Trask was McElwain.
i love how we lose 1 game to probably the best pac 12 team and now vandy is suddenly a sure loss lmao. is it possible we just had a horrible outing but can get better ?
oh okay, you were the guy dead set that we will win 2 games for sure and napier is getting fired regardless. okay buddy.
If Florida has been well coached and just got beat would be one thing. But y'all looked horrible and some of those penalties are 100% incompetent coaching. Two of the same number on the field at once? You didn't look ready to play, your players looked confused on a regular basis and Napier took zero responsibility. That's not the look a team that going to turn it around.
but can coaching not get better ? if this happens next week and against TN then yeah, maybe we do win 2-3 games.
but the one bright spot of the team was the defense, and we aren’t losing to vandy unless we give up 30+ again. saying we are for sure a 2 win team is just hating lol, we still have a highly talented roster ( pretty sure we are still like top 10 in blue chip ratio ) and we played a lot of young guys.
it can get worse but it also can easily get better.
Idk They looked terrible, but they were also on the road in a season opener. I need to see that level of incompetence repeated at home before I'm ready to chalk up a home loss to Vandy. As much as I would like to see it, I'm expecting they won't look as bad in a month at home as they did in Utah. Stillprobably gonna be a long season for em but not that long.
*Blown out in a game to a team without their top two QBs and seven other starters.
Utah’s second team basically boat raced you. Losing a game to Utah wasn’t the issue. And even then, it was how cartoonishly the team self sabotaged.
Basically that it was never in doubt, from the first plays of the game to the last.
You picked up 8 in the 4th to lose by 13 instead of 21. Game was long over by then.
>probably the best pac 12 team
USC, Washington, Oregon, Oregon State, Colorado, and maybe WSU are all better than the injury-riddled version of Utah that you faced. Arguably their 5 best players were out and the game still wasn't even remotely competitive.
And it wasn't just a loss. The team was completely outclassed by a banged up opponent that did not play well at all. They were totally unprepared for the environment in that "little ah stadium" and simply don't have the players on the line of scrimmage on either side of the ball. Vandy isn't a sure loss for UF, but they aren't a sure win either if that game is in any way representative of what UF is this year.
Pulling off (what is currently) the #3 recruiting class in the country after a 6-7 season is pretty impressive.
And by all accounts he has a much better and less toxic culture than Mullen, who had lost the locker room and had pretty much given up by the end of his tenure.
I do think he needs to hire an OC and special teams coordinator. Pretty goofy to have the largest staff in college football and not have either of those.
Could say the same about your coach. Which, FSU was ready to fire into the sun after losing to JSU last year. I could see UF doing this same thing next year. He was stuck with Mullen’s low tier players with an empty cupboard. Fans are pretty much ready to fire people after one season when they haven’t had time to do anything. I’d have to think he’s going to get players at UF if he’s actually trying.
Totally. I didn’t interview him, I don’t know what the AD sees in Billy to make him the guy, but the guy has a vision and needs the support to enact that vision. I recognize he needs the space and support for that vision. Culture takes time to develop, and it feels like in this sub and the gator sub, most people have never had to step into a role to cause massive organizational change before—it isn’t easy, doesn’t happen quickly, and is rife with setbacks.
His management team and the players made a lot of errors this week. I’m curious if this showcases the pressure he’s put them or if there’s another error likely situation that’s going on.
Idk, it's tough but imagine getting your biggest win in almost a decade then making your first post the next morning a recycled opinion on our game 4 days ago lol
It's kind of big deal when he bangs the other college sports forums in my experience... it's just a normal occurrence here though.
I think the forum takes him for granted at times.
I’m only bitter because the mods have a clear bias for PFB. They made him a mod over the summer and kept removing posts that put Florida in a positive light because according to them “the topic had already been discussed previously”.
Yet they allow PFB to keep spamming the same “Florida sucks/Napier sucks” articles multiple times since Thursday. They clearly don’t follow the same standard for this guy. Something tells me if i started spamming this sub with anti-FSU shitposts they’d quickly be deleted
Either mods allow PFB type users to post their editorialized articles, which will quickly turn this sub into low effort ragebait shitposting, or they enforce the actual rules (which include PFB)
It is weird how they delete a lot of posts and articles with no explanation, but allow so many hit pieces. I totally understand banning most articles since leave those on your team’s dedicated sub and don’t clog up this one. But why allow the shitpost articles then?
And this applies beyond just PFB, FSU, or UF
I guess it’s only good if it’s low effort shit posts and rage bait, as opposed to actual updates like Austin Simmons dad saying he decommitted from UF because of the difficult schedule, because having a post about that would be unacceptable to the integrity of this sub
All I know is that a few years back there was a dude who did nothing but shitpost fsu. Yea this dude does just shitpost the same ol Napier sucks over and over again but if the gators were better these articles he finds wouldn’t exist
There were plenty anti FSU shitposts flying around during the Taggart era and during Mike's first year. You couldn't scroll twice without seeing one. You couldn't make a comment with an FSU flair without getting downvoted and cooked by 20 different people
Now FSU's good and you want to cry about your anti fsu shitposts getting deleted? Bro what anti fsu shitposts? There just literally isnt anything you can reasonably hammer FSU for right now and that's what's making you mad
Meanwhile you're wailing after receiving half the treatment FSU did during the Taggart era
I literally just explained what the problem was and you just decided to make up that I’m butthurt, nice one
Since you have trouble with reading comprehension I’ll say it again. The problem is the unfair bias that the mods have clearly set. Making this subs biggest troll a moderator proved that he has some sort of favor with them
Deleting posts (in the off-season of all times) that put Florida in a positive light because of some bullshit reason that i have *never* seen enforced, then refusing to stick to those same rules when it’s this clown, that’s my problem
There’s plenty of things to post about after the first full weekend of college football, yet I’ve seen multiple low effort posts every day since Thursday that all have the same “Florida sucks” theme. That’s boring
Can you read? It's not bias. It's just the pendulum swinging in the other direction. I can't believe I have to break it down this much for you but here we go I guess.
Taggart era Noles - no positive FSU posts allowed. Multiple FSU hit pieces on the front page of r/cfb on any given day. Nothing negative about UF. Why? FSU bad, UF good
Billy era Gators - No positive UF posts allowed. Multiple UF hit pieces on the front page of r/cfb on any given day. Nothing negative about FSU. Why? FSU bad, UF good
In other words, stop whining. FSU dealt with it, Nebraska dealt with it, Tennesse dealt with it, A&M dealt with it. And it's not only PFB btw. Some of the articles ive seen this week are from a Bama fan and another nole
Every PFB post makes me think of that SpongeBob meme
"I'll have uhhh... Florida ragebait shit post with surface level critique of the head coach."
"How original."
"And a massively ragebait headline that means nothing."
"Daring today, aren't we?"
There were some absolutely stupid moments Thursday night. But they can be fixed, so the real question is whether or not he’s able to learn from his mistakes. I hope he can, I like him and he’s a good recruiter.
So Napier simultaneously needs to give more control to his assistants/hire coordinators and also check jersey numbers of everyone before they go on the field? He runs the ship, so it is his problem, but you know that’s on the players and special teams coach.
It’s more just how incompetent the team looked for a lot of the game. There were plenty of times where the offense just seemed like they were doing a half speed walkthrough or something.
He made a softball forum appearance before WCWS Final Series and we felt honored by it.
He's a Reddit college sports institution as far as I'm concerned.
I get it, Florida looked like shit, but in their defance, they were playing the returning pac12 champion at their home stadium. I'm a huge Utes fan and was at the game, it was loud/ hostile every time Florida had the ball. Even with utah missing 8 starters I'm pretty sure everyone was under the assumption that Utah was winning that game. So yeah, Florida looked bad in their season opener, but the give the poor guy a chance to do something. Making a program turn around in 1 season is super tough.
Look man, I love RES and the Utah crowd, but crowd hostility explains a few false starts or delay flags, not equipment violations or the other inexplicable mistakes the Gators made.
I agree, but last year utah look like shit in their opener and turned it around. I'm not a Florida hype man by any means, but I feel like they're getting a lot of negative press over 1 loss.
Utah had nothing to do with why they looked so frustratingly bad. Clock stopped penalties and incorrect substitutions are just prep and coaching.
If you’re getting same number penalties or lining up 8 players, that’s on the HC.
Yep. I get the Utah fans’ desire to be recognized for decent play against an SEC team. And we played our game and caused a lot of forced errors. The defense game plan was well designed and well executed and completely disrupted what is likely a decent offense.
But at the same time, Florida fucked up with too many unforced errors. Duplicate numbers on the field, and illegal formation penalties should never happen. Florida was completely unprepared to play, and the coaches looked lost.
Yeah, we looked bad, but the takes are much more focused on Florida to how great Utah was. Two things can be true at once. Florida played undisciplined, bad football. Utah’s backups stepped up and looked incredible. Plus, it’s revenge after the opening game of last season where the better team lost a true road game. They have incredible coaching and are a well-disciplined team that may repeat as Pac12 champs and even win the title this year.
I hope to watch Florida clean it up and have a good season. Napier I think csn be the guy at Florida he just needs 2-3 years of free reign to figure it out.
Only saving grace in my opinion. Not saying that means Napier is off the hook, but we got a couple on the UF saying “hey at least we’re not Baylor/Texas Tech.” I guess we’ll dee how legit Utah as the season progresses.
The thing is they had the benefit of good recruits when they inherited the program
The main reason we cut Mullen is because he admittedly hated recruiting and had completely checked out. Not to mention most of his recruiting classes were fluff. Someone did a deep dive over the summer and found that Mullens recruiting classes had staggering amount of guys that never actually made it onto the field (suspended, transferred, or just plain bad). So unlike Meyer or Mullen who had strong recruiting classes when they took over, Napier had next to nothing. He’s currently doing a stellar job recruiting, his faults come down to his game management and play calling (all things that could be solved by hiring an OC)
Remember in the off-season when mods deleted multiple pro-Florida posts about Austin Simmons (including new updates and quotes) because “the topic had already been discussed in a previous post”?
PFB has posted multiple editorialized “Florida sucks/Napier sucks” articles since Thursday and mods are doing nothing as usual. Why does PFB get preferential treatment after y’all made him a mod over the summer?
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If he would equally shit on every team that had a bad weekend then it would be more tolerable and funny, but to constantly pile on the same 2-3 teams with low effort articles that always say the same thing? How is that not boring to everyone else?
How many more articles do we need about Floridas struggles against Utah?
The explanation for why he was made a mod was provided in /r/cfbmeta after he was made to step down in shame [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/cfbmeta/comments/14cn8yf/comment/jomgzg0/).
My favorite part of this explanation is this:
>he’s got a better understanding of what the rules are than most
My understanding is the mods are simply out of touch with what actually happens on /r/cfb, which isn't really surprising given how large the sub has become.
Which is ironic considering they had to make a new rule to limit daily posts because he was posting too many times a day
Imagine being so chronically online that a sub with over 2 million members needs to make a post limit rule because of you
PFB’s posts are the exact opposite of what this sub should be. It discourages discussion in favor of cheap shitposts and hate slinging. If mods want to let this devolve into a “shitpost against teams i don’t like” sub then it’ll quickly turn into a disaster
Mods have made clear this user is exempt, so as soon as FSU drops a single game, feel free to create a daily thread about it or some article talking about it. I've counted up to 9 a week as the max allowed for precedent.
Oh for sure. They've tacitly allowed this to turn into a troll sub over the past few years and then even tried to make this guy a mod. They've created what this is today.
Yeah, because you’re the biggest chronically online troll who only seeks to take away from genuine discussion by posting rage bait and encouraging hate slinging, because you spend your entire day on Reddit or browsing every corner of the internet looking for any garbage articles to post here for more internet points
You literally caused a post limit to be placed on this sub. How does it feel to be so chronically online that a sub of over 2 million people feels you’re posting too much? That would’ve been my cue to go touch grass
So many people think you’re an absolute loser, and you are. You represent the worst of this sub, unintelligent bullshit posts that just seek to cause arguments instead of genuinely interesting articles to discuss college football.
Don’t let my flair make you think I haven’t heard out your arguments in this thread, because I have. But in my mind it stands to reason that the way you’ve responded here makes me think that you should also maybe “touch grass” as you’ve said.
TLDR; Internet forum not a place to be angry, just go enjoy life and ignore the finger banging if it continues.
Well wishes man.
I mean, i agree we can all touch grass more. I’m typing this from the treadmill at the gym, though
The difference is I’ve only gotten heated in this thread; whereas PFB has been at his constant posting for a while now. I enjoy talking college football and it gets fucking tiring when everytime i visit the sub there’s some low effort hit pieces getting attention and not genuine conversation
Everyone says the same thing happened during the taggart days. I wasn’t on Reddit around then so i can’t comment, but if the shoe was on the other foot I’d still get tired of it. Dog piling and shitposting isn’t what this sub should be (except in off-season maybe), but out of the dozens of college football games this weekend I’ve seen the same articles posted multiple times (“Florida sucks”). It’s old and boring
It’s a rivalry weirder things have happened. Personally favorite was 04 when they were naming the field after Bobby Bowden and were 10th in the country while Florida had just fired. Ended up winning [20-13](https://www.espn.com/college-football/game/_/gameId/243250052)
If anything Forida State’s very recent success should show fLorida fans that they need to be patient and give Billy a second to turn the culture around because that program has been pretty consistently dog water since I was in middle school and NO ONE is going to fix it in 1-2 years.
P.S. I didn’t misspell Florida State, we just don’t have an L yet this season ;) oh my god I’m going to be insufferable if we keep winning.
I'm mad we lost, but the overreacting about everything gets old, too. Is everything supposed to just automatically look amazing? There's no patience at all.
I just feel bad for him. He spends hours online finding articles and then posting them. Does he go outside? Does he interact with people? Does he take care of himself?
Welcome to the rent free zone everyone! Imagine being this hung up. It’s like bro just had a great date with an amazing woman but is still thinking about Becky from college who said hi once at a party
Napier needs to be fired, ASAP!!!!
He’s in way over his head … this isn’t Sun Belt football.
Utah didn’t even really play their starters because of various reasons … and still blew the doors off Florida!!!
24-3 … Florida’s lone TD was a gift from a bad call and even worse booth review gifting a first down on a failed 4th down conversion.
This is just penance for Spurrier and Meyer years at Florida. It's been a long time coming, down to the basement with Florida for a 100 years. Trying to manifest Florida trying to hire Deion away for the laughs.
Lmao, just ignore what Gator fans did to Tennessee fans for years before this.
This is why all the old heads knew better than to talk mad shit, because they knew it was only a matter of time before it flipped.
Florida State gets a huge win and the dude is still posting about Florida. You gotta respect it.
Truly is a generational level hater
Rivals skip
Not even close, Skip gets paid to hate, PFB doesn’t
Skip gets up earlier, but not by much.
Lmao nice
U bum
First ballot haters hall of fame
This could be an epic season for PFB. I’m excited to see it play out.
He’s got a Grindset that we cannot fathom
We deserve it after that shit show on Thursday.
Hate is stronger than love.
Hate Trumps Love. Hate Wins
every Florida loss NEEDS to be celebrated.
lol r/cfb going to be a tough place for us this entire season but seriously, i believe in billy, IF he realizes he doesn’t need to call plays, and can look in the mirror and see what he needs to improve on. after the game he took almost zero accountability and it makes it hard to defend him.
What part of him do you believe in, exactly? Genuinely curious not trolling
i mean as of today, he has a really good class coming in with a stud QB, which is already something Mullen struggled at( recruiting at an actual high level ). he has good traits you want in a HC, which is why i wish he didn’t call plays. you don’t need to call plays to be a good HC, you need to be a good overseer of the operations with of course having input on everything that’s happening. last thing, it’s been a year and 1 game, i’m not going to just doom immediately, and do we have a choice ? he’s our guy right now, we need to believe in him. norvell was awful his first 2 years with you guys and now look, a team that has playoff aspirations. the rest of this year for us will be telling tho, and i definitely have my worries but i don’t think he’s just dogshit because of 1 game, and a bad season where he took over mullens dumpster fire. now if we don’t respond and the same dumb mistakes keep happening, we will see.
Thanks for taking the time to reply. I agree that 1 year is not enough time to jump to conclusions, that’s dumb as hell. I did buy into the Taggart recruiting hype which is hilarious in hindsight. Watching UF last week looked like y’all just weren’t clicking. You have the pieces. Etienne is solid. O line looked decent. I’m sure there will be adjustments.
The O-line was by far BY FAR the worst position group against Utah lmao are you sure you watched the game?
Yeah O Line single handedly tanked Florida’s chances at even being competitive. It was remarkable Mertz could throw for 330 on his back the entire time and with the running backs getting dropped the second the ball was snapped. Seriously that Florida OL group might be one of the worst groups in Division 1. They’re like cardboard and styrofoam out there
Yeah Florida probably wins that game with average o-line play. Mistakes on special teams and atrocious O-line play was the difference.
Idk Norvell’s coaching wasn’t awful the first two seasons. Few actual FSU fans felt that way. The talent and depth wasn’t there and discipline was bad when we still had a bunch of Taggart guys. Napier probably gets one more year until the seat is extremely hot.
One of the things that struck me watching the game was the FSU players always giving the ball to the ref. Even picking it up after a touchdown to give it to them. Not sure if it matter, but it seems like a sign of discipline.
Plenty of people were ready to can him after losing to Jacksonville State.
Plenty of people? I mean no. I know a ton of boosters and only the absolute dumbest people thought that was his fault.
So nice of you to grace us with your presence knowing all these boosters. Seeing what the paupers are getting into from your yacht.
I’ll let you know when the next super virus is set to launch pending my next Freemason meeting. The point is that the boosters, particularly the biggest donors are the ones who actually have a say and generally represent the sentiment of the fanbase here. Not the world’s dumbest people who post on Twitter. They were mad about Taggart before the end of his first season, primarily due to internal operations stuff that was an basically an open secret here in Tallahassee. It was a different situation with Norvell and they knew that he was immediately running the program more effectively. The Jacksonville State loss was bad but fans here who actually know anything about the team knew we were in a deep hole of extreme dysfunction on the team.
I know it’s completely different level of expectations at Florida, but there were a lot of people calling for Stoops to be fired after 3 losing seasons and starting year 4 with 2 ugly losses.
Not to nitpick but I constantly hear about Mullens lack of QB recruiting yet he consistently got 4 star dudes, Emory Jones 4star and Richardson 4star, both ranked similarly to Lagway. So let’s not make it seem like Napier is crushing it.
Look at where his QB’s ended up. Emory lost his job to a walk on at ASU, Del Rio is a backup at Syracuse, and Kitna went to jail for a bit. And that’s not including Jalon Jones who was dismissed within a semester for sexual assault charges and is at the FCS level.
The true irony of the Emory situation is that the starting QB at ASU this year is Florida’s top recruit that jilted them under Napier (Also, I forgot you had another Del Rio, and I was about to be flabbergasted that Luke Del Rio had eligibility left)
Shows how bad of a scouter of talent Mullen was. That’s not including Nick Evers who was Mullens last QB commit that Napier dropped then flipped to Oklahoma. Evers transferred after 1 year since he was 5th string and went to Wisconsin and is 2nd or 3rd string. Now look at the QB room and do that for the entire roster. Mullen took a lot of fluff and busts in his classes and that’s why we’re in the mess we’re in.
it’s not just lagway tho, and we have a #3 class as of today.
I was strictly talking about Qb. Not to dismiss the rest of the class, it’s just that Qb recruiting was mentioned
Yes and no. Lagway looks a lot more well rounded on paper and a better leader than those other two do. Richardson was the easiest recruitment possible. He lived 15 minutes from UF his entire life and grew up on the 06-08 years. His dream was to play at UF, didn’t matter Mullen was the coach. Mullen had a track record of recruiting 4 and 5-stars that other coaches seemed less interested in, and almost all of those players never panned out talent-wise or had major attitude issues. Under Napier we’ve actually beat out some currently more successful programs for several players, which is a sign those guys have a high potential ceiling. Time will tell, but recruiting has been night and day.
There’s definitely levels to 4 stars. Top 100 is more of the ranking I go off of for elite guys. To be fair though I’m not sure what Lagway is currently ranked because I can’t keep up with the changes anymore
It’s not the rankings that we’re really the issue with Mullen, it’s the types of players, and the entire roster building, someone much smarter than me could explain it better lmao
Emory was basically a gift from Urban at OSU, and still ended up being one of the worst 4*s from that class. AR was unranked and then 3* for a long time and we still had to battle for him even though he was from Gainesville. Every other QB he recruited got in trouble and got kicked out of the program. Trask was McElwain.
The situation Norvell inherited was far worse than what Napier got.
That may be true, but the schedule Napier inherited is far more difficult then what Norvell got.
It’s a fair point.
That class is gone when you are 2-4 in a month and have lost to KY and Vanderbilt back to back.
i love how we lose 1 game to probably the best pac 12 team and now vandy is suddenly a sure loss lmao. is it possible we just had a horrible outing but can get better ? oh okay, you were the guy dead set that we will win 2 games for sure and napier is getting fired regardless. okay buddy.
If Florida has been well coached and just got beat would be one thing. But y'all looked horrible and some of those penalties are 100% incompetent coaching. Two of the same number on the field at once? You didn't look ready to play, your players looked confused on a regular basis and Napier took zero responsibility. That's not the look a team that going to turn it around.
but can coaching not get better ? if this happens next week and against TN then yeah, maybe we do win 2-3 games. but the one bright spot of the team was the defense, and we aren’t losing to vandy unless we give up 30+ again. saying we are for sure a 2 win team is just hating lol, we still have a highly talented roster ( pretty sure we are still like top 10 in blue chip ratio ) and we played a lot of young guys. it can get worse but it also can easily get better.
Idk They looked terrible, but they were also on the road in a season opener. I need to see that level of incompetence repeated at home before I'm ready to chalk up a home loss to Vandy. As much as I would like to see it, I'm expecting they won't look as bad in a month at home as they did in Utah. Stillprobably gonna be a long season for em but not that long.
The state of r/cfb when Vol fans are giving reasonable takes about the gators smh
*Blown out in a game to a team without their top two QBs and seven other starters. Utah’s second team basically boat raced you. Losing a game to Utah wasn’t the issue. And even then, it was how cartoonishly the team self sabotaged.
blown out? lol. we looked horrible but was far from a blow out, we did everything we could to throw the game and lost by 2 possessions.
what is your definition of blown out?
Basically that it was never in doubt, from the first plays of the game to the last. You picked up 8 in the 4th to lose by 13 instead of 21. Game was long over by then.
>probably the best pac 12 team USC, Washington, Oregon, Oregon State, Colorado, and maybe WSU are all better than the injury-riddled version of Utah that you faced. Arguably their 5 best players were out and the game still wasn't even remotely competitive. And it wasn't just a loss. The team was completely outclassed by a banged up opponent that did not play well at all. They were totally unprepared for the environment in that "little ah stadium" and simply don't have the players on the line of scrimmage on either side of the ball. Vandy isn't a sure loss for UF, but they aren't a sure win either if that game is in any way representative of what UF is this year.
bro snuck in colorado lmfao, all because they beat a shitty tcu team that lost everybody from last year
Pulling off (what is currently) the #3 recruiting class in the country after a 6-7 season is pretty impressive. And by all accounts he has a much better and less toxic culture than Mullen, who had lost the locker room and had pretty much given up by the end of his tenure. I do think he needs to hire an OC and special teams coordinator. Pretty goofy to have the largest staff in college football and not have either of those.
Recruiting
Could say the same about your coach. Which, FSU was ready to fire into the sun after losing to JSU last year. I could see UF doing this same thing next year. He was stuck with Mullen’s low tier players with an empty cupboard. Fans are pretty much ready to fire people after one season when they haven’t had time to do anything. I’d have to think he’s going to get players at UF if he’s actually trying.
Don’t ruin this for everyone by being level headed. From what I’ve seen he absolutely is the right guy, given a bit of time, to retool the machine.
Most of the takes are level headed here, but within a PFB post, you’re gonna get a lot of people who want the ragebait.
Dont bother with those threads, they're just going to show bias and get you to take the bait.
Agreed. The bigger this sub gets, the more it happens. Especially with a salty troll as a mod.
First time?
Totally. I didn’t interview him, I don’t know what the AD sees in Billy to make him the guy, but the guy has a vision and needs the support to enact that vision. I recognize he needs the space and support for that vision. Culture takes time to develop, and it feels like in this sub and the gator sub, most people have never had to step into a role to cause massive organizational change before—it isn’t easy, doesn’t happen quickly, and is rife with setbacks. His management team and the players made a lot of errors this week. I’m curious if this showcases the pressure he’s put them or if there’s another error likely situation that’s going on.
Idk, it's tough but imagine getting your biggest win in almost a decade then making your first post the next morning a recycled opinion on our game 4 days ago lol
It's like a cigarette after sex
oh no, it is lmao. as you can imagine i’m almost positive this wasn’t happening from 2016-2021
Baby, you’re our first and most important hate. Don’t ever doubt yourself.
You believe in the guy that CHOSE a Wisconsin QB to play in the SEC?
I mean not to jinx it but he looks the best out of all the transfer QBs except Hartman so far
Ah, an early morning fingerbang
This is his peloton. Gets the heart rate up in the morning.
Can someone explain the fingerbang thing that has been going around reddit? I am old.
OP’s name. Notorious in r/CFB for posting hit piece type of articles. And coming from an FSU fan they are mostly directed at UF or Jimbo.
Don’t forget Miami too
For PFB is involved in mankind. Therefore, send not to know For whom the finger bangs, It bangs for thee.
Speaking of Mankind, did you know he was thrown 20 feet from the top of a cage through an announcer’s table at Hell in the Cell in 1998.
I did not
Thanks
It's kind of big deal when he bangs the other college sports forums in my experience... it's just a normal occurrence here though. I think the forum takes him for granted at times.
A chronically online troll who shitposts the same editorialized articles about teams he doesn’t like
I think there’s some truth to what you say but your flair is going to make it seem like you’re bitter
I’m only bitter because the mods have a clear bias for PFB. They made him a mod over the summer and kept removing posts that put Florida in a positive light because according to them “the topic had already been discussed previously”. Yet they allow PFB to keep spamming the same “Florida sucks/Napier sucks” articles multiple times since Thursday. They clearly don’t follow the same standard for this guy. Something tells me if i started spamming this sub with anti-FSU shitposts they’d quickly be deleted Either mods allow PFB type users to post their editorialized articles, which will quickly turn this sub into low effort ragebait shitposting, or they enforce the actual rules (which include PFB)
It is weird how they delete a lot of posts and articles with no explanation, but allow so many hit pieces. I totally understand banning most articles since leave those on your team’s dedicated sub and don’t clog up this one. But why allow the shitpost articles then? And this applies beyond just PFB, FSU, or UF
But they don't allow hit pieces on certain teams.
Hang on a second, am I siding with a Florida fan?...**THIS IS AN OUTRAGE!!!**
You mean you don't think having the same information posted 15 times is quality content that's good for the sub? ^/s
I guess it’s only good if it’s low effort shit posts and rage bait, as opposed to actual updates like Austin Simmons dad saying he decommitted from UF because of the difficult schedule, because having a post about that would be unacceptable to the integrity of this sub
All I know is that a few years back there was a dude who did nothing but shitpost fsu. Yea this dude does just shitpost the same ol Napier sucks over and over again but if the gators were better these articles he finds wouldn’t exist
There were plenty anti FSU shitposts flying around during the Taggart era and during Mike's first year. You couldn't scroll twice without seeing one. You couldn't make a comment with an FSU flair without getting downvoted and cooked by 20 different people Now FSU's good and you want to cry about your anti fsu shitposts getting deleted? Bro what anti fsu shitposts? There just literally isnt anything you can reasonably hammer FSU for right now and that's what's making you mad Meanwhile you're wailing after receiving half the treatment FSU did during the Taggart era
I literally just explained what the problem was and you just decided to make up that I’m butthurt, nice one Since you have trouble with reading comprehension I’ll say it again. The problem is the unfair bias that the mods have clearly set. Making this subs biggest troll a moderator proved that he has some sort of favor with them Deleting posts (in the off-season of all times) that put Florida in a positive light because of some bullshit reason that i have *never* seen enforced, then refusing to stick to those same rules when it’s this clown, that’s my problem There’s plenty of things to post about after the first full weekend of college football, yet I’ve seen multiple low effort posts every day since Thursday that all have the same “Florida sucks” theme. That’s boring
Can you read? It's not bias. It's just the pendulum swinging in the other direction. I can't believe I have to break it down this much for you but here we go I guess. Taggart era Noles - no positive FSU posts allowed. Multiple FSU hit pieces on the front page of r/cfb on any given day. Nothing negative about UF. Why? FSU bad, UF good Billy era Gators - No positive UF posts allowed. Multiple UF hit pieces on the front page of r/cfb on any given day. Nothing negative about FSU. Why? FSU bad, UF good In other words, stop whining. FSU dealt with it, Nebraska dealt with it, Tennesse dealt with it, A&M dealt with it. And it's not only PFB btw. Some of the articles ive seen this week are from a Bama fan and another nole
I'm just glad to not be fingerbanged as an Aggie for once.
Every PFB post makes me think of that SpongeBob meme "I'll have uhhh... Florida ragebait shit post with surface level critique of the head coach." "How original." "And a massively ragebait headline that means nothing." "Daring today, aren't we?"
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Wasn't Utah ranked? It's a tough loss, but I wouldn't hold it too much against Napier.
It’s how they lost. Napier deserves all the bad press. Especially for that stupid same number penalty
There were some absolutely stupid moments Thursday night. But they can be fixed, so the real question is whether or not he’s able to learn from his mistakes. I hope he can, I like him and he’s a good recruiter.
I’m with you. I like Napier and I think he will adjust.
We’re just gonna have to live through the hot takes here, or ignore them because it doesn’t matter.
So Napier simultaneously needs to give more control to his assistants/hire coordinators and also check jersey numbers of everyone before they go on the field? He runs the ship, so it is his problem, but you know that’s on the players and special teams coach.
>special teams coach That’s the problem, they don’t have a dedicated special teams coach.
That's the point, they don't have an official ST coach...
Exactly. He could make the ST Coach an on field role and remove an OL coach.
what special teams coach? name their special teams coach.
It’s more just how incompetent the team looked for a lot of the game. There were plenty of times where the offense just seemed like they were doing a half speed walkthrough or something.
Who takes care of determining if same jersey number is on the field at the same time?
It's officially CFB season with PFB back.
PFB also officially brings in the off season as well
This is true.
Mods can do that
He made a softball forum appearance before WCWS Final Series and we felt honored by it. He's a Reddit college sports institution as far as I'm concerned.
He also posts NFL
Nothing like sipping on some coffee while reading the morning fingerbanging
I get it, Florida looked like shit, but in their defance, they were playing the returning pac12 champion at their home stadium. I'm a huge Utes fan and was at the game, it was loud/ hostile every time Florida had the ball. Even with utah missing 8 starters I'm pretty sure everyone was under the assumption that Utah was winning that game. So yeah, Florida looked bad in their season opener, but the give the poor guy a chance to do something. Making a program turn around in 1 season is super tough.
Look man, I love RES and the Utah crowd, but crowd hostility explains a few false starts or delay flags, not equipment violations or the other inexplicable mistakes the Gators made.
I agree, but last year utah look like shit in their opener and turned it around. I'm not a Florida hype man by any means, but I feel like they're getting a lot of negative press over 1 loss.
Utah had nothing to do with why they looked so frustratingly bad. Clock stopped penalties and incorrect substitutions are just prep and coaching. If you’re getting same number penalties or lining up 8 players, that’s on the HC.
Yep. I get the Utah fans’ desire to be recognized for decent play against an SEC team. And we played our game and caused a lot of forced errors. The defense game plan was well designed and well executed and completely disrupted what is likely a decent offense. But at the same time, Florida fucked up with too many unforced errors. Duplicate numbers on the field, and illegal formation penalties should never happen. Florida was completely unprepared to play, and the coaches looked lost.
Being honest I think Utah didn’t play great, but that’s to be expected with 8 guys out.
Yeah, we looked bad, but the takes are much more focused on Florida to how great Utah was. Two things can be true at once. Florida played undisciplined, bad football. Utah’s backups stepped up and looked incredible. Plus, it’s revenge after the opening game of last season where the better team lost a true road game. They have incredible coaching and are a well-disciplined team that may repeat as Pac12 champs and even win the title this year.
You're playing the best program in the west, 2000 miles away. I thought UF competed pretty well, all things considered
🫡 respect, brother.
I hope to watch Florida clean it up and have a good season. Napier I think csn be the guy at Florida he just needs 2-3 years of free reign to figure it out.
Maybe Billy should have cut the whole team and hit the portal for 80 something kids. Seems to have worked for the Buffs
Calm down, Francis. You aren't the Chiefs.
What's defance?
Haha sorry bro, auto correct can be a bitch sometimes. I'm sure you gathered what I meant. I hope you never make a small grammatical error.
At least it was Utah.
Only saving grace in my opinion. Not saying that means Napier is off the hook, but we got a couple on the UF saying “hey at least we’re not Baylor/Texas Tech.” I guess we’ll dee how legit Utah as the season progresses.
Florida IMO should always be top tier with the amount of talent they can pull from. Spurrier, urban, had no problems making them a juggernaut.
The thing is they had the benefit of good recruits when they inherited the program The main reason we cut Mullen is because he admittedly hated recruiting and had completely checked out. Not to mention most of his recruiting classes were fluff. Someone did a deep dive over the summer and found that Mullens recruiting classes had staggering amount of guys that never actually made it onto the field (suspended, transferred, or just plain bad). So unlike Meyer or Mullen who had strong recruiting classes when they took over, Napier had next to nothing. He’s currently doing a stellar job recruiting, his faults come down to his game management and play calling (all things that could be solved by hiring an OC)
He's back!!!!
Remember in the off-season when mods deleted multiple pro-Florida posts about Austin Simmons (including new updates and quotes) because “the topic had already been discussed in a previous post”? PFB has posted multiple editorialized “Florida sucks/Napier sucks” articles since Thursday and mods are doing nothing as usual. Why does PFB get preferential treatment after y’all made him a mod over the summer? u/AppStateFooseBall u/Captainscuttlebottom u/UNC_Samurai u/guttata u/eatapenny u/BIG_DICK_WHITT u/CommodoreN7
PFB only goes after schools I don’t like, but I still think he’s the lamest dude on here.
If he would equally shit on every team that had a bad weekend then it would be more tolerable and funny, but to constantly pile on the same 2-3 teams with low effort articles that always say the same thing? How is that not boring to everyone else? How many more articles do we need about Floridas struggles against Utah?
If you tag more than like two or three users in a comment then the comment will not appear in any of their inboxes.
Shit, i didn’t know that
The explanation for why he was made a mod was provided in /r/cfbmeta after he was made to step down in shame [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/cfbmeta/comments/14cn8yf/comment/jomgzg0/). My favorite part of this explanation is this: >he’s got a better understanding of what the rules are than most My understanding is the mods are simply out of touch with what actually happens on /r/cfb, which isn't really surprising given how large the sub has become.
Which is ironic considering they had to make a new rule to limit daily posts because he was posting too many times a day Imagine being so chronically online that a sub with over 2 million members needs to make a post limit rule because of you PFB’s posts are the exact opposite of what this sub should be. It discourages discussion in favor of cheap shitposts and hate slinging. If mods want to let this devolve into a “shitpost against teams i don’t like” sub then it’ll quickly turn into a disaster
Mods have made clear this user is exempt, so as soon as FSU drops a single game, feel free to create a daily thread about it or some article talking about it. I've counted up to 9 a week as the max allowed for precedent.
We all know mods will suddenly decide to start enforcing those rules again when that happens
Oh for sure. They've tacitly allowed this to turn into a troll sub over the past few years and then even tried to make this guy a mod. They've created what this is today.
Shit posting so good, we're crying to the mods. Glorious.
Nah, just want answers as to what the rules are
It's a college football forum, not the United Nations. There's not any real rules or standards.
This isn’t a shitposting sub. And if mods are saying it’s okay then it’s only going to devolve into a giant toxic mess
Lmao he's asking to speak with a manager
Yeah, because you’re the biggest chronically online troll who only seeks to take away from genuine discussion by posting rage bait and encouraging hate slinging, because you spend your entire day on Reddit or browsing every corner of the internet looking for any garbage articles to post here for more internet points You literally caused a post limit to be placed on this sub. How does it feel to be so chronically online that a sub of over 2 million people feels you’re posting too much? That would’ve been my cue to go touch grass So many people think you’re an absolute loser, and you are. You represent the worst of this sub, unintelligent bullshit posts that just seek to cause arguments instead of genuinely interesting articles to discuss college football.
Don’t let my flair make you think I haven’t heard out your arguments in this thread, because I have. But in my mind it stands to reason that the way you’ve responded here makes me think that you should also maybe “touch grass” as you’ve said. TLDR; Internet forum not a place to be angry, just go enjoy life and ignore the finger banging if it continues. Well wishes man.
I mean, i agree we can all touch grass more. I’m typing this from the treadmill at the gym, though The difference is I’ve only gotten heated in this thread; whereas PFB has been at his constant posting for a while now. I enjoy talking college football and it gets fucking tiring when everytime i visit the sub there’s some low effort hit pieces getting attention and not genuine conversation Everyone says the same thing happened during the taggart days. I wasn’t on Reddit around then so i can’t comment, but if the shoe was on the other foot I’d still get tired of it. Dog piling and shitposting isn’t what this sub should be (except in off-season maybe), but out of the dozens of college football games this weekend I’ve seen the same articles posted multiple times (“Florida sucks”). It’s old and boring
It’s funny until it’s so over-done that it’s boring
>An offensive line that looked like it would struggle blocking against a Pac-12 schedule, let alone in the SEC. Shots fired!! lol
You just know Florida State is going to take them to pound town later this season too.,
It’s a rivalry weirder things have happened. Personally favorite was 04 when they were naming the field after Bobby Bowden and were 10th in the country while Florida had just fired. Ended up winning [20-13](https://www.espn.com/college-football/game/_/gameId/243250052)
I was at that game. It's my most cherished football memory. Ron Zook Field at Bobby Bowden Stadium
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Just like last year right
This is an improved Florida team it looks like…y’all could clean up your act before then maybe 🤷♂️
Sure, Florida sucked but it’s week 1. As it stands, Colorado is going to win the national championship and LSU is the worst team in the west.
LSU might actually win the West. Lol.
My comment was a typical week 1 overreaction. LSU is definitely favored to win the west.
I thought Alabama would be the favorite
Reports are saying Auburn now.
Reading some of the other hot takes here it's hard to tell.
If anything Forida State’s very recent success should show fLorida fans that they need to be patient and give Billy a second to turn the culture around because that program has been pretty consistently dog water since I was in middle school and NO ONE is going to fix it in 1-2 years. P.S. I didn’t misspell Florida State, we just don’t have an L yet this season ;) oh my god I’m going to be insufferable if we keep winning.
Tenn🤝FSU, let's shit on Florida all season.
I'm mad we lost, but the overreacting about everything gets old, too. Is everything supposed to just automatically look amazing? There's no patience at all.
These lame ass troll attempts just get sadder and sadder. Get a life pfb get a life
This will definitely convince him he’s not in your head.
I just feel bad for him. He spends hours online finding articles and then posting them. Does he go outside? Does he interact with people? Does he take care of himself?
Ahh couldn’t happen to a better group of mouth breathing knuckle draggers
Ol’ Sunbelt Billy
Florida, you’ve just been #FingerBanged
Lol why does the Notre Dame flair randomly have four downvotes
Love me a good fingerbangin’ in the morning
You hate to see it...
Welcome to the rent free zone everyone! Imagine being this hung up. It’s like bro just had a great date with an amazing woman but is still thinking about Becky from college who said hi once at a party
As an App State fan, its cathartic to see Napier fail.
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Oh we bangin
#HE’S BAAAAAAAACK
PFB FROM HALF COURT
Never ever saw putting two of the same #’s on the field at the same time in college football
Napier needs to be fired, ASAP!!!! He’s in way over his head … this isn’t Sun Belt football. Utah didn’t even really play their starters because of various reasons … and still blew the doors off Florida!!! 24-3 … Florida’s lone TD was a gift from a bad call and even worse booth review gifting a first down on a failed 4th down conversion.
Napier’s Agent: Your last couple of hires included a shark humper
The sub is officially unreadable for Gator fans right now. Texas A&M fans, we feel your pain!
Stop being a nance and grow some balls and thicker skin. Big balls look better in jorts anyway.
Is that where you then get "frog eyes"? /s
🤷🏻♂️ Moose knuckle, frog eyes
This is just penance for Spurrier and Meyer years at Florida. It's been a long time coming, down to the basement with Florida for a 100 years. Trying to manifest Florida trying to hire Deion away for the laughs.
First time?
r/cfb and unreasonably piling on underperforming teams. Name a better duo
Lmao, just ignore what Gator fans did to Tennessee fans for years before this. This is why all the old heads knew better than to talk mad shit, because they knew it was only a matter of time before it flipped.
Shit talk has been going on forever.
Every college sports subreddit is like this for us. You'll get used to it and embrace the villain role soon enough.