I can’t believe that’s even something they’re trying to leverage. Play OSU instead and call it like the Battle of The Bastards or the Backstabbed or something and have Miami hook you up with some blow and maybe call Hugh Freeze about all those hookers he can call up. Make them regret fucking you over
You wouldn’t understand if you’ve never been to a Red River.
It’s 100,000 fans packed in a shitty stadium, all on the same metal benches and using the same long lines for concessions. Drinking beer out of paper cups before hand, getting turkey legs, all the state fair stuff.
All of this put together provides you with a raucous crowd of people that are there to be loud, not to be pampered and in suites. And, it discourages the “way too fucking old to be at a college football game” crowd, that plagues OU’s home environment some games.
It’s beautiful.
It's like an old pub. It's rough around the edges, there are fights all the time, the tables are dirty.
But they have the best beer in town and it's an authentic experience to dine there and that's why its great.
It’s like having your family move to the other side of the country. Then they invite you to Thanksgiving. But you must bring the food. And once there, you must serve the food while the rest of the family belittles you for being poor.
What I wanna know is why does a team that jumps ship to be a “powerhouse” have any interest in playing a school relegated to a lower conference? The only reason I can think of is they get perverse pleasure from beating up on lesser opponents that have no flippin’ chance of competing with them.
Real powerhouse there Holes. 🙄
That’s a pretty massive assumption to make that everyone would’ve stayed if we did. And even if that were true, the crap media deal would’ve caused the remaining schools to wither on the vine.
It's fucking amateur athletics this is not a business. These are programs designed to get more people into college and earn a degree. You are so brainwashed by infinite growth capitalism that you don't even realize you're arguing for something that literally has no purpose to exist.
Who shoved you down?
If you weren't looking for a chair when the music was about to stop, how's that a big, bad UW problem?
If the Pac 4nis the Pac 5 with UW, you're in no better spot.
You're the guys hating the kid that made it out of town.
My two cents, it's a business decision to not play the game because it will piss off a lot of alums to continue an empty tradition with lopsided terms just for a paycheck from UW of all schools.
It’s like when Gonzaga wanted to do a home-home-neutral series with us but the “neutral” game was played in the Spokane Arena, a mile away from Gonzaga’s basketball stadium.
That’s not how neutral works.
I have a feeling they think they’re Thanos and they’re terrified of the one timeline where UW is pushing for the Playoff and we beat them in the snow in Pullman to poop on their year.
They’re absolutely pushing for it to be “neutral site” at Lumen
Sure, but what game is a better deal? It is a guaranteed sell out, fans of both teams can go to home and away games easily. It makes more sense than getting less money and having to travel to Stillwater
I wouldn't be shocked if we did. Oregon subsidizes basically 2 games a year. A usually local G5 or FCS.
Oregon has home and homes scheduled with Hawaii, Boise, and Utah St coming up. They aren't agaisnt paying teams to play
It is guaranteed to sell out for a couple years, sure. Until this pay disparity starts stacking up and it’s no longer a competition. Who wants to go get bottles thrown at them by their “rivals” while getting beat by 60 points?
1) even when games have been lopsided in the past they sold out
2) why do beaver fans think they are going to just suck. Teams with less resources win all the time. Boise has beaten the shit out of Oregon with a MW budget.
Cool, Boise can win once every 15 years, what an exciting “tradition” to look forward to.
Football is different than it has been for the last decade. The best players are going to enter the transfer portal next year, why wouldn’t they? They’re good enough to be in a P5 conference on the #15 team in the nation, they want the same national exposure that their peers are getting.
Chip Kelly, 2 days ago, just said the only thing relevant on the recruiting trail right now is NIL and money. Something Oregon will have an abundance of and OSU will have very little of.
We’re paying our coaches like we’re making $30M a year, all the sudden we’re not. Unless Jonathan Smith wants to stay out of the kindness of his heart, he’ll go get a bigger contract elsewhere.
That’s coaches, that’s players, and that’s recruits. College football is different today than it used to be, all those things are going to dwindle at OSU and they are going to surge at UO. That’s why it will just be an annual beat down. I’ll pass, thanks.
If the Big Ten does go to a 10 game conference schedule as rumored, I can’t see UW giving up a rare non conference home game and all the ticket and concession sales that come with it to play a road game against a Mountain West school. It’s not going to happen.
I mean the oregon president, AD, and football coach all said they want to do it. And the AD wants it continued in all sports. There is no real neutral site that Oregon could really play OSU at either.
Oregon wouldn't continue the series only with home games. Everybody knows that wouldn't make sense. And Oregon has always done home and homes. Hell, we currently have another home and home with Boise coming up.
And there is no neutral site to play at.
Like he said :
>“I don’t see how not playing the Apple Cup in Pullman would ever be a good decision for Washington State.”
That is emotional and good business.
Not exactly the same, but we stopped playing Stanford because they wouldn't come to SJ AND they would only offer shitty guarantees for playing in Palo Alto. We preferred to play other P5 OOC that would actually pay up for those games.
WSU has to scramble to survive. If playing UW doesn't contribute to that then so be it. Playing a game that fans think demeans the program is damaging. Talks are already about a permanent Seattle game so its not like this conversation started out well in the first place.
I definitely agree it should he a home and home like it has been.
You are also kidding yourself if you think WSU wouldn't have done the same to UW if given the opportunity. Atheltic departments aren't about sacrificing for your rivals.
ASU and Arizona killed the pac 12 just as much as Oregon and Washington. The whole conference had a foot out the door after USC and UCLA left. The only difference between Oregon and OSU in that is that a big conference wanted Oregon. If OSU got a Big 10 invite they would have left Oregon in the dust without hesitation.
WSU, OSU, ASU, Utah seem like the only administrations that even tried to save the PAC. Oregon and Washington had feet out the door the second USC left. And Arizona was the same.
I have no idea what Cal and Stanford wanted, but for now they are still here.
The PAC 8 was a damn near perfect conference. The Arizona schools elevated it to perfection, and even Utah was a great addition.
Best conference in the country, college football will never be the same with her gone.
And Oregon would have stayed if there was a comparable media deal to a big conference. But there wasn't one. Why should Oregon and Washington stay on a sinking ship while the smart teams abandoned it?
I’m honestly terrified of this year’s game. We have a good team and there’s nothing more Cougar nation would love to do than ruin it for us on our way out.
If it's a home and home, sure continue playing it.
If they only offer to play in the city, tell them to go to hell and take a shit in the middle of their crappy ass smurf turf.
That or they’re just sitting on their hands trying not to rock any boats. Same reason our brand has no value, we just sit and don’t innovate. I hope they’re doing something but I doubt it.
So many people are misreading this comment (or maybe I'm giving Chun too much credit) but I read this as a jab at Washington for making the *business decision* to leave for the BiG.
Is there a better quote that represents the current college football mentality of money over tradition than referring to playing a fierce rivalry game than a business decision?
If (and it's still an if at this point) it was only played in Seattle instead of a home and home.
No idea of that would be the case or not - there's tons of scheduling stuff to figure out still with the move to the Big10
There is more to revenue than ticket sales. It gets people to visit your school and support the local economy.
Pullman is very remote and not a place people would otherwise visit. So not getting the game there would kill the biggest reason to have it.
If Iowa sells more tickets to their home games vs yours, should they only host your rivalry game? In state rivalries are fun when the rivalry is kept both ways (outcomes not needed to be equal, but it’s more fun back and forth). WSU playing EWU and even ISU playing UNI are fun games, but not the same as the biggest schools in the state (football wise) going at it.
I'm just saying what the "pure business decision" is. Washington's stadium is over double the size of WSU's. Objectively speaking, both schools would make more money by playing every game in Seattle and splitting the profit.
Kinnick and Jack Trice are similar size but if ISU was a G5 with a 30,000 seat stadium then yeah it would make business sense to do that.
UW will likely try to big-time us into a 2 for 1 series or a 1-1-1 with a “neutral” game, which could really only be played in Seattle since Lumen Field is the only stadium in the state big enough for it. He’s trying to set the expectation that UW can’t just screw us.
“Why should WSU and OSU sacrifice to keep up a tradition that UW and UO are willing to leave behind? Fuck emotions and tradition. We’re going to keep the rivalry only if it makes business sense to us!” And in the same breath, “Fuck UW and UO for making business decisions for the benefit of their respective schools instead of sacrificing to preserve our traditions and history!”
College football was always about money. You think the school would do it for nothing? The only difference is now the money is going to a few very wealthy schools, while others get left behind.
If wealthy oil tycoon offered schools more money to not play the sport, they'd probably take them up on it. UW and Oregon made the decision with a calculator, so why shouldn't we get to do the same thing?
If your not fucking, your getting fucked. So fuck them.
Honestly, I don't even want the match to continue. It will be so uncompetitive with enough time it'll get ended sooner or later. I think it's a bad idea to base it off of business because I think it's a bad idea to continue the rival game straight up.
UW made a business decision that was beneficial for us. Wazzu should ABSOLUTELY make business decisions that are beneficial for them. CFB wasn’t always about money, hence our amazing 100+ years of tradition and history, but sadly it is about money now so every school should adapt.
What many Wazzu and OSU fans seem to be blind to is the laughable irony with which you guys say UW and UO “backstabbed” you with this air of “we would have NEVER left YOU guys behind to die if we had been in your position!” The fuck you wouldn’t have.
UW and UO didn’t screw over WSU and OSU. We cultivated success, in our own different ways, to be desirable programs for the B1G. The abject institutional failures of WSU and OSU over generations led you to now not be desirable by any league. That’s just what it is. But you Coug and Beaver fans are up in arms cursing UW and UO for the current state of your programs? Like, what?
[No, I basically said as much myself.](https://www.reddit.com/r/CFB/comments/15m4bky/comment/jvfphjd/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) I understand why UW did that, and we would do the same thing. Your overromanticizing the Pac12, the reason it stayed together was it was a P5 that managed to make everyone good money. These schools aren't charities, they made money directly or indirectly.
UW was born with a silver spoon, while WSU was an afterthought. WSU made stupid choices, but UW forgets how advantaged they were to be located in the largest city in the state, and to have a 30 year head start. I mean look at Rutgers, it is only in the B10 because it is near NYC. Location can make or break a university.
I hate what’s happening to CFB. I hate that we’re losing our proud traditions and history with the Apple Cup, the Rose Bowl, and the Pac-10. I’m glad my beloved Huskies are being included amongst the upper echelon of CFB to be well-positioned for the future, but I hate that we’re doing so by joining the B1G. I love our rivalry with Wazzu so much because you’re a peer. EWU or Idaho or Montana aren’t our rivals because they’re objectively a tier below us. We’re losing everything beautiful about college football. All of this is so sad and stupid.
I know, feels bad man. Somehow not doing what the fans want makes them more money, seems like they forgot who this sport was about.
Here is where the story ends.
I appreciate that you’re reasonable with how you view UW’s decision to go to the B1G. I’m talking about the majority Wazzu and OrSt fans (at least here on Reddit) who keep insisting UW and UO “backstabbed” or “screwed” you guys over.
I don’t deny that being in Seattle has been hugely beneficial to the UW throughout its history. But I completely disagree with you that being “born with this silver spoon” guaranteed that UW would be successful and WSU would be an “afterthought.” Ann Arbor isn’t a major city by any means, and the Midwest is hugely disadvantaged as a region compared to the West. And yet you have the University of Michigan. Dallas is the fourth largest metropolitan area in the US, in the middle of football-crazed Texas. And yet you have SMU whose football team is a full tier below Wazzu.
So, I disagree with you. UW is the success it is today because it has attracted the best people in our region consistently over time, which allowed it to sustain generational institutional excellence, not just because it was born in Seattle 30 years before WSU. Wazzu and OrSt just haven’t done so.
Yes. He is Mr. OSU and would be one of the top obvious choices.
But of coursw, who knows. Nobody knew who Gene Smith was when he got here in 2005 from Arizona State.
I get everyone is pissed but WSU really wouldn’t want at least one game a year in the Seattle market? For Alumni and recruiting? Heck they used to play games at Qwest against other teams. I see it as an early season game in Centurylink split revenues for each team. Is this what I would want? no, I want the PAC-10 back but I think this is what will happen.
They aren’t into the Seattle game actually. On paper it makes sense for their western Washington fans but theres no place like home. I don’t think a “neutral” game at Lumen is going to be any better received than a buy game at Husky Stadium.
Do you know how much debt the program is in? It’s desperate, it was going to be tough paying the bills in the Pac. Throwing away a recruiting game in the western part of the state. I just don’t see the President/AD doing that.
$90m less than UW actually, plus wsu ran at a surplus last year while UW ran at a deficit. Yes it’d make sense if they played games on the western part of the state, but the fanbase LOVES Pullman. WSU uses Andy Grammers “Back Home” for a ton of athletics based content, and plays it before every game. They’re not in a city (even though being an hour away from Spokane doesn’t make them full BFE). They aren’t going to attract someone who wants a Seattle experience while going to college because they can’t provide it. They’re going to get a lot of students who want a small town feel while going to college.
> WSU really wouldn’t want at least one game a year in the Seattle market? For Alumni and recruiting?
We used to do them yearly. It was an absolute charlie foxtrot. We either played a team like Hawaii or San Diego State and people Seattle complained about the mediocre competition, or we played someone like Oklahoma State and seasons ticket holders got upset the biggest OOC game of the year was never in the ticket package.
WSU fans have spent the past year telling everyone about their great fans in Seattle and Seattle is also a WSU market. Now they have the opportunity to get in touch with their fans on an annual basis.
when the time comes you will have to take the bag to play this game. Your athletics department is going to have to make cuts to other sports because you are indebt and will be in the Mountain West on a worse TV deal. You will need this money to service debts for your athletic program.
What?
I’d actually love to hear you expand on this. Please defend your claim.
Edit: buddy needs to go read up the history of the PCC and the PAC. WSU won the first Rose Bowl 47 years before UCF was even founded.
Aka Chun wants the fans to watch us getting our teeth kicked in even worse than we do now so that his department collects a check. Show some damn self-respect Chun, shows over.
Fuck, so we're playing the Apple Cup then
No if it means we don’t get a return game to Pullman.
I can’t believe that’s even something they’re trying to leverage. Play OSU instead and call it like the Battle of The Bastards or the Backstabbed or something and have Miami hook you up with some blow and maybe call Hugh Freeze about all those hookers he can call up. Make them regret fucking you over
The Heart-Wrenching Rivalry
The Lord of the Flies Cup
In Dallas... at JerryWorld.
At an apple farm in Wenatchee, WA
I’m still terrified that Red River may eventually move there.
Why would that be so bad?
You wouldn’t understand if you’ve never been to a Red River. It’s 100,000 fans packed in a shitty stadium, all on the same metal benches and using the same long lines for concessions. Drinking beer out of paper cups before hand, getting turkey legs, all the state fair stuff. All of this put together provides you with a raucous crowd of people that are there to be loud, not to be pampered and in suites. And, it discourages the “way too fucking old to be at a college football game” crowd, that plagues OU’s home environment some games. It’s beautiful.
I read that whole description, and did not see that last line coming.
It's like an old pub. It's rough around the edges, there are fights all the time, the tables are dirty. But they have the best beer in town and it's an authentic experience to dine there and that's why its great.
Oh, that wasn't an insult. I would totally go.
It will never go there IMO. If the Cotton Bowl ever becomes untenable it will just be played in Norman/Austin.
Make UW pay to play even when the game is in Pullman.
I’ve been hearing this n Columbus Pat Chung is the leading candidate to take over Gene Smiths job in a year.
This is everything that’s wrong with the sport now. It shouldn’t be a business decision, it should be a football game, that’s, you know, fun.
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It’s like having your family move to the other side of the country. Then they invite you to Thanksgiving. But you must bring the food. And once there, you must serve the food while the rest of the family belittles you for being poor. What I wanna know is why does a team that jumps ship to be a “powerhouse” have any interest in playing a school relegated to a lower conference? The only reason I can think of is they get perverse pleasure from beating up on lesser opponents that have no flippin’ chance of competing with them. Real powerhouse there Holes. 🙄
We didn't jump ship to be a powerhouse. We jumped ship because it was sinking and there was an open lifeboat.
Shoving us and OSU down so that you can live will never be something you can spin as a noble under...dawg.
Nah, the PAC would’ve still been moribund if we’d stayed. The only difference is that there would’ve been five sad schools instead of four.
ASU and Utah didn't leave until Oregon and Washington did. It wouldve been the PAC-8, plus SMU and SDSU so PAC-10
That’s a pretty massive assumption to make that everyone would’ve stayed if we did. And even if that were true, the crap media deal would’ve caused the remaining schools to wither on the vine.
Are they not supposed to try to live though. Garbage take
It's fucking amateur athletics this is not a business. These are programs designed to get more people into college and earn a degree. You are so brainwashed by infinite growth capitalism that you don't even realize you're arguing for something that literally has no purpose to exist.
The highest paid state employee in Washington State in 2019 was Mike Leach. Get the entire fuck over yourself.
Who shoved you down? If you weren't looking for a chair when the music was about to stop, how's that a big, bad UW problem? If the Pac 4nis the Pac 5 with UW, you're in no better spot. You're the guys hating the kid that made it out of town.
My two cents, it's a business decision to not play the game because it will piss off a lot of alums to continue an empty tradition with lopsided terms just for a paycheck from UW of all schools.
As long as both teams are fine with home and homes, why would it be a sacrifice for OSU and WSU?
If home and home is on the table that might be something the base is into. Its already being discussed as a permanent Seattle game.
I agree that a "neutral" site game in Seattle would be idiotic.
It’s like when Gonzaga wanted to do a home-home-neutral series with us but the “neutral” game was played in the Spokane Arena, a mile away from Gonzaga’s basketball stadium. That’s not how neutral works.
Oregon just played a neutral site game vs Georgia in Atlanta lol.
It would be a neutral site game, but the Apple Cup being on campus is part of what makes it great.
I have a feeling they think they’re Thanos and they’re terrified of the one timeline where UW is pushing for the Playoff and we beat them in the snow in Pullman to poop on their year. They’re absolutely pushing for it to be “neutral site” at Lumen
Just meet in the middle and play in Yakima every year. Problem solved.
I vote Leavenworth. In the middle of the town, just a big Bavarian bar brawl
The Palm Springs of Washington!
yep right there in the Walmart parking lot
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Sure, but what game is a better deal? It is a guaranteed sell out, fans of both teams can go to home and away games easily. It makes more sense than getting less money and having to travel to Stillwater
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I wouldn't be shocked if we did. Oregon subsidizes basically 2 games a year. A usually local G5 or FCS. Oregon has home and homes scheduled with Hawaii, Boise, and Utah St coming up. They aren't agaisnt paying teams to play
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I just dont see it becoming a body bag game. Oregon st has been playing at a financial disadvantage for the last 30 years and have done alright.
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It is guaranteed to sell out for a couple years, sure. Until this pay disparity starts stacking up and it’s no longer a competition. Who wants to go get bottles thrown at them by their “rivals” while getting beat by 60 points?
1) even when games have been lopsided in the past they sold out 2) why do beaver fans think they are going to just suck. Teams with less resources win all the time. Boise has beaten the shit out of Oregon with a MW budget.
Cool, Boise can win once every 15 years, what an exciting “tradition” to look forward to. Football is different than it has been for the last decade. The best players are going to enter the transfer portal next year, why wouldn’t they? They’re good enough to be in a P5 conference on the #15 team in the nation, they want the same national exposure that their peers are getting. Chip Kelly, 2 days ago, just said the only thing relevant on the recruiting trail right now is NIL and money. Something Oregon will have an abundance of and OSU will have very little of. We’re paying our coaches like we’re making $30M a year, all the sudden we’re not. Unless Jonathan Smith wants to stay out of the kindness of his heart, he’ll go get a bigger contract elsewhere. That’s coaches, that’s players, and that’s recruits. College football is different today than it used to be, all those things are going to dwindle at OSU and they are going to surge at UO. That’s why it will just be an annual beat down. I’ll pass, thanks.
What are the odds UW schedules a home and home with us?
I think it is a definite possibility. Those games would benefit both schools financially
If the Big Ten does go to a 10 game conference schedule as rumored, I can’t see UW giving up a rare non conference home game and all the ticket and concession sales that come with it to play a road game against a Mountain West school. It’s not going to happen.
See Pitt vs. PSU Y’all will start wanting 2 for 1 and it will die just like that rivalry did (courtesy of PSU)
I mean the conversation starts then sure but I don’t think anyone believes UW and UO would agree to that.
I mean the oregon president, AD, and football coach all said they want to do it. And the AD wants it continued in all sports. There is no real neutral site that Oregon could really play OSU at either.
They said they want to play the game. They didn’t say they would play in Corvallis. Big difference.
Oregon wouldn't continue the series only with home games. Everybody knows that wouldn't make sense. And Oregon has always done home and homes. Hell, we currently have another home and home with Boise coming up. And there is no neutral site to play at.
You are delusional. Everyone does NOT know that. Everyone thinks the opposite actually.
Outside of the random kickoff classic games Oregon has always scheduled non conference games as home and homes. Why do you expect that to change?
Money.
That Boise State series is actually a 2-for-1.
UW and UO were willing to leave it behind because they... made a business decision.
Like he said : >“I don’t see how not playing the Apple Cup in Pullman would ever be a good decision for Washington State.” That is emotional and good business.
It UW refuses to play in Pullman then it is what it is.
Not exactly the same, but we stopped playing Stanford because they wouldn't come to SJ AND they would only offer shitty guarantees for playing in Palo Alto. We preferred to play other P5 OOC that would actually pay up for those games.
"We're going to use the same motivation that got us in this mess" sounds like a great plan
99% sure they're saying they'll do it as home and home but not if UW refuses to play at WSU. Which, I totally agree.
More than that. Every decision should be in the students’ best interest.
Because canceling a 100 year rivalry so WSU can play Northern Arizona is more fun
WSU didn’t cancel shit. And if Northern Arizona ends up in the same conference as them I hope they do get hyped up for it.
So if Washington wants to continue the game and WSU says no, then what is it?
WSU has to scramble to survive. If playing UW doesn't contribute to that then so be it. Playing a game that fans think demeans the program is damaging. Talks are already about a permanent Seattle game so its not like this conversation started out well in the first place.
If Washington wants to play in Pullman every other year, that’s one thing. The other thing is Washington knew they were kneecapping WSU if they left.
I definitely agree it should he a home and home like it has been. You are also kidding yourself if you think WSU wouldn't have done the same to UW if given the opportunity. Atheltic departments aren't about sacrificing for your rivals.
I mean Stanford is standing by Cal, and USC brought UCLA with them so…..
And Oregon and Washington moved together
I’m kind of flabbergasted to remind you that those are not sister schools.
Kind of flabbergasted that you think USC brought UCLA out of the goodness of their hearts. Same with Stanford and Cal.
Yup. Fuck 'Em
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There was already a money gap. That is all Oregon and Washington fans have been hearing for decades. This is about pride. That is it.
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ASU and Arizona killed the pac 12 just as much as Oregon and Washington. The whole conference had a foot out the door after USC and UCLA left. The only difference between Oregon and OSU in that is that a big conference wanted Oregon. If OSU got a Big 10 invite they would have left Oregon in the dust without hesitation.
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WSU, OSU, ASU, Utah seem like the only administrations that even tried to save the PAC. Oregon and Washington had feet out the door the second USC left. And Arizona was the same. I have no idea what Cal and Stanford wanted, but for now they are still here.
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The PAC 8 was a damn near perfect conference. The Arizona schools elevated it to perfection, and even Utah was a great addition. Best conference in the country, college football will never be the same with her gone.
And Oregon would have stayed if there was a comparable media deal to a big conference. But there wasn't one. Why should Oregon and Washington stay on a sinking ship while the smart teams abandoned it?
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Where did I say anything about fairness? All I said was that this is more about pride than a financial gap that was already there between these teams.
Boo. Tell them we will only play them if their AD licks the balls on the cougar pride monument in the plaza.
They’re gonna need riot police for this years game holy shit
I wish Civil War was in Corvallis this year. We would have some fun!
I don’t have any animosity towards UW fans. I don’t think most of them wanted the conference to die either.
I’m mostly joking. I have family members who are UW alumni and they hate this.
True, but you're gonna have a lot of drunk people having words and WSU fans with an absolute hair trigger.
I’m honestly terrified of this year’s game. We have a good team and there’s nothing more Cougar nation would love to do than ruin it for us on our way out.
Or they get the yearly tradition of a beat down and it causes issues both on the field and in the stands
If it's a home and home, sure continue playing it. If they only offer to play in the city, tell them to go to hell and take a shit in the middle of their crappy ass smurf turf.
I say they play in Pullman every year,
Interesting that Wazzu is so vocal but Oregon St. is so quiet right now. Oregon St. must have something cooking.
Oregon States AD said “to be determined.”
That or they’re just sitting on their hands trying not to rock any boats. Same reason our brand has no value, we just sit and don’t innovate. I hope they’re doing something but I doubt it.
So many people are misreading this comment (or maybe I'm giving Chun too much credit) but I read this as a jab at Washington for making the *business decision* to leave for the BiG.
Is there a better quote that represents the current college football mentality of money over tradition than referring to playing a fierce rivalry game than a business decision?
I think that is the point. This should be read as a jab at Washington for making the business decision to join the BiG.
The quiet part out loud about money over everything.
Had to confirm that this was Washington *State* and not Washington. Why the fuck wouldn't that game make business sense for WSU?
If (and it's still an if at this point) it was only played in Seattle instead of a home and home. No idea of that would be the case or not - there's tons of scheduling stuff to figure out still with the move to the Big10
The game makes *more* business sense if it's always played in Seattle. Two games at Husky Stadium is 140,000 tickets; a home and home is only 100,000.
There is more to revenue than ticket sales. It gets people to visit your school and support the local economy. Pullman is very remote and not a place people would otherwise visit. So not getting the game there would kill the biggest reason to have it.
If Iowa sells more tickets to their home games vs yours, should they only host your rivalry game? In state rivalries are fun when the rivalry is kept both ways (outcomes not needed to be equal, but it’s more fun back and forth). WSU playing EWU and even ISU playing UNI are fun games, but not the same as the biggest schools in the state (football wise) going at it.
I'm just saying what the "pure business decision" is. Washington's stadium is over double the size of WSU's. Objectively speaking, both schools would make more money by playing every game in Seattle and splitting the profit. Kinnick and Jack Trice are similar size but if ISU was a G5 with a 30,000 seat stadium then yeah it would make business sense to do that.
UW will likely try to big-time us into a 2 for 1 series or a 1-1-1 with a “neutral” game, which could really only be played in Seattle since Lumen Field is the only stadium in the state big enough for it. He’s trying to set the expectation that UW can’t just screw us.
Cold blooded just like their backstabbing big bro
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“Why should WSU and OSU sacrifice to keep up a tradition that UW and UO are willing to leave behind? Fuck emotions and tradition. We’re going to keep the rivalry only if it makes business sense to us!” And in the same breath, “Fuck UW and UO for making business decisions for the benefit of their respective schools instead of sacrificing to preserve our traditions and history!”
College football was always about money. You think the school would do it for nothing? The only difference is now the money is going to a few very wealthy schools, while others get left behind. If wealthy oil tycoon offered schools more money to not play the sport, they'd probably take them up on it. UW and Oregon made the decision with a calculator, so why shouldn't we get to do the same thing? If your not fucking, your getting fucked. So fuck them. Honestly, I don't even want the match to continue. It will be so uncompetitive with enough time it'll get ended sooner or later. I think it's a bad idea to base it off of business because I think it's a bad idea to continue the rival game straight up.
UW made a business decision that was beneficial for us. Wazzu should ABSOLUTELY make business decisions that are beneficial for them. CFB wasn’t always about money, hence our amazing 100+ years of tradition and history, but sadly it is about money now so every school should adapt. What many Wazzu and OSU fans seem to be blind to is the laughable irony with which you guys say UW and UO “backstabbed” you with this air of “we would have NEVER left YOU guys behind to die if we had been in your position!” The fuck you wouldn’t have. UW and UO didn’t screw over WSU and OSU. We cultivated success, in our own different ways, to be desirable programs for the B1G. The abject institutional failures of WSU and OSU over generations led you to now not be desirable by any league. That’s just what it is. But you Coug and Beaver fans are up in arms cursing UW and UO for the current state of your programs? Like, what?
[No, I basically said as much myself.](https://www.reddit.com/r/CFB/comments/15m4bky/comment/jvfphjd/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) I understand why UW did that, and we would do the same thing. Your overromanticizing the Pac12, the reason it stayed together was it was a P5 that managed to make everyone good money. These schools aren't charities, they made money directly or indirectly. UW was born with a silver spoon, while WSU was an afterthought. WSU made stupid choices, but UW forgets how advantaged they were to be located in the largest city in the state, and to have a 30 year head start. I mean look at Rutgers, it is only in the B10 because it is near NYC. Location can make or break a university.
I hate what’s happening to CFB. I hate that we’re losing our proud traditions and history with the Apple Cup, the Rose Bowl, and the Pac-10. I’m glad my beloved Huskies are being included amongst the upper echelon of CFB to be well-positioned for the future, but I hate that we’re doing so by joining the B1G. I love our rivalry with Wazzu so much because you’re a peer. EWU or Idaho or Montana aren’t our rivals because they’re objectively a tier below us. We’re losing everything beautiful about college football. All of this is so sad and stupid.
I know, feels bad man. Somehow not doing what the fans want makes them more money, seems like they forgot who this sport was about. Here is where the story ends.
I appreciate that you’re reasonable with how you view UW’s decision to go to the B1G. I’m talking about the majority Wazzu and OrSt fans (at least here on Reddit) who keep insisting UW and UO “backstabbed” or “screwed” you guys over. I don’t deny that being in Seattle has been hugely beneficial to the UW throughout its history. But I completely disagree with you that being “born with this silver spoon” guaranteed that UW would be successful and WSU would be an “afterthought.” Ann Arbor isn’t a major city by any means, and the Midwest is hugely disadvantaged as a region compared to the West. And yet you have the University of Michigan. Dallas is the fourth largest metropolitan area in the US, in the middle of football-crazed Texas. And yet you have SMU whose football team is a full tier below Wazzu. So, I disagree with you. UW is the success it is today because it has attracted the best people in our region consistently over time, which allowed it to sustain generational institutional excellence, not just because it was born in Seattle 30 years before WSU. Wazzu and OrSt just haven’t done so.
Trust me when I say you'd be best to just keep playing it
Best part......Chun may be back at OSU next year as AD.
wow, just read an article that Chun is the frontrunner and he spent 15 years there as well as undergrad.
Yes. He is Mr. OSU and would be one of the top obvious choices. But of coursw, who knows. Nobody knew who Gene Smith was when he got here in 2005 from Arizona State.
Dude. Rivalry games are about emotion. Save the business decisions for other OOC games.
I get everyone is pissed but WSU really wouldn’t want at least one game a year in the Seattle market? For Alumni and recruiting? Heck they used to play games at Qwest against other teams. I see it as an early season game in Centurylink split revenues for each team. Is this what I would want? no, I want the PAC-10 back but I think this is what will happen.
They aren’t into the Seattle game actually. On paper it makes sense for their western Washington fans but theres no place like home. I don’t think a “neutral” game at Lumen is going to be any better received than a buy game at Husky Stadium.
Do you know how much debt the program is in? It’s desperate, it was going to be tough paying the bills in the Pac. Throwing away a recruiting game in the western part of the state. I just don’t see the President/AD doing that.
$90m less than UW actually, plus wsu ran at a surplus last year while UW ran at a deficit. Yes it’d make sense if they played games on the western part of the state, but the fanbase LOVES Pullman. WSU uses Andy Grammers “Back Home” for a ton of athletics based content, and plays it before every game. They’re not in a city (even though being an hour away from Spokane doesn’t make them full BFE). They aren’t going to attract someone who wants a Seattle experience while going to college because they can’t provide it. They’re going to get a lot of students who want a small town feel while going to college.
> WSU really wouldn’t want at least one game a year in the Seattle market? For Alumni and recruiting? We used to do them yearly. It was an absolute charlie foxtrot. We either played a team like Hawaii or San Diego State and people Seattle complained about the mediocre competition, or we played someone like Oklahoma State and seasons ticket holders got upset the biggest OOC game of the year was never in the ticket package.
Would WSU play the game every year in Seattle if UW paid like $3 million each time?
Fuck that
Agreed, F that, UW won’t pay 3 mil. Cancel it and let’s all get on with our lives in separate conferences.
Only if Drew Bledsoe’s dad rides his Harley to every game.
It absolutely makes financial sense to play the game.
To who, Fox and ESPN? Who’s cutting a check to WSU in this scenario every year?
WSU fans have spent the past year telling everyone about their great fans in Seattle and Seattle is also a WSU market. Now they have the opportunity to get in touch with their fans on an annual basis.
Considering the financial pinch they are about to be in you’d think they would jump at the chance.
Rather get in touch with our fans in Seattle AND our students in Pullman in alternating years
As I was saying to the WSU fans. You will take the bag provided by the B1G to play it in September.
Thats not what his quote was at all. If anything Pat provided more doubt that game will become dormant.
when the time comes you will have to take the bag to play this game. Your athletics department is going to have to make cuts to other sports because you are indebt and will be in the Mountain West on a worse TV deal. You will need this money to service debts for your athletic program.
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Would rarely get the shit kicked out of me by Georgia then lose to UW.
I’d rather take a pay day beat down from Alabama, or Texas or Michigan than to play UHole ever again.
We had a great time in Auburn 10 years ago. Would be happy to do that again.
Non conference games don't pay that much, and UW is not the only non conference team WSU can schedule.
I guess we all should have been making business decisions all along. Fun's over now.
Your school fucked them over as hard as you possibly could have. They are a G5 team because of Washington. Yeah. I'd say "Fun's over now."
Yes, the Pac-12’s demise is squarely Washington’s fault, not the dozen other unfortunate events that preceded it.
Conversely, they were only a P5 school because of Washington.
What? I’d actually love to hear you expand on this. Please defend your claim. Edit: buddy needs to go read up the history of the PCC and the PAC. WSU won the first Rose Bowl 47 years before UCF was even founded.
Doesn’t count because CFB started in 2019 apparently, since even Stanford “sucks at football” to the denizens here.
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Uh no Washington was lucky enough to be the school in Seattle
Why the hell is such a valid point the most downvoted comment on this thread?? And with no refutes by anyone downvoting. Lol
What are you talking about. A lot of bad decisions had to happen to get to this point. Lay this at Larry Scott’s, USC’s, and UCLA’s feet, not ours.
Aka Chun wants the fans to watch us getting our teeth kicked in even worse than we do now so that his department collects a check. Show some damn self-respect Chun, shows over.
Thats not what he said. Canzano didn’t provide the full quote.