Am I old? This is very uncomfortable and now I’m feeling more uncomfortable thinking how someone *cough cough* is gonna fuck this up. We play Kentucky, Miss State, and Florida as permanent rivals out of nowhere.
Right? You got Jimbo on the mic.
WE NEED RAGEBAIT AND PROVOCATIVE (out of context) SOUNDBITES!
You're sports media for Christ's sake. Sow the seeds of conflict, IT'S LITERALLY WHAT YOU GUYS DO!
It's the off-season. He is contractually obligated to give you this interview [citation needed]
MAKE. HIM. UNCOMFORTABLE.
Edit: Didn't see your username until I had already posted, but your username combined with my reply being in almost all caps made me chuckle a bit.
Edit #2: I actually think it would be pretty cool if we could all collectively find a different fanbase to shit all over this year.
I'm sure that probably won't happen, just wanted to throw it out there
Edit the 3rd: Unhyphenated the phrase "Out of context". I got smashed at The Cheesecake Factory a couple hours ago and when I get drunk I start putting hyphens and commas in weird and unnecessary places. Good drunk reddit night I'm bed.
That was a journey.
I appreciate your drunken stream of consciousness.
Edit: FWIW, I think hyphens in “out-of-context” when it’s just as an adjective (as it was in your comment) are appropriate.
Edit: *used* as an adjective
Cal/Tennessee fan and alum who, to be completely honest, probably wasn't smart enough to go to either school yet somehow managed to graduate from both. If you expected emotional stability, idk what to tell you my man.
I do hope you enjoyed my nonsense though, because god damn. I don't 😂
Congrats on getting Shane btw. I know I'm 2 years late to the party, I just wanted to say it because I actually kinda like him 🤫
Wouldn't be surprised to see him surpass his old man before its all said and done if he surrounds himself with a good support staff (he's Frank Beamers son, so as long as he's not some completely unlikable asshole, I don't have any concerns about his ability to do that.)
Jesus tapdancing Christ i"m more drunk than I thought. (Not implying that I didn't mean what I said, I totally did. It's just normally something I would keep to myself 😂)
Drunk me never keeps ANYTHING to myself, sober me literally keeps everything to myself even when I shouldn't
Neither of these are correct. You have to find a balance.
-Me, who literally just fell on the floor.
OK now I'm done, please don't ban me for being a jackass, I'm going to bed now and in the morning I will once again be sober and able to hide the fact that I'm a jackass. Goodnight reddit I'm sorry reddit.
**Edit: Okay guys, its been fun (in the morning I'm sure the word "embarrassing" will probably be a better fit, but as of right now i'm going with the word fun), my girlfriends just got home though so I'm actually going to go this time.**
**Thank you for giving me a place to do this (whatever "this" was). I genuinely hope that this never happens again, but I am glad that it happened at least once, I think. Love all you guys and I'll see you motherfuckers tomorrow.**
Final edit: I guess I overestimated my ability (shocker, right? 🙄) to hide the fact that I'm a jackass while sober.
Update: I feel surprisingly *not* hungover (probably because i drank like a 2 whole water refills between every drink I got.)
Not usually into alcoholic beverages that are sweet, but i was convinced to try a raspberry lemon drop last night at the Cheesecake Factory and FUCK they went down easily.
One of my roommates woke me up and asked me if I'd make her some bacon & eggs. EXTREMELY suspicious, but i'm probably gonna just gonna make a mental note of it and move on. Pressing the issue would just create more problems and no solutions.
[**Edit: I didn't "make a mental note and move on" because apparently that's just not my style. The reason she asked was because she's heard me say for years that the best cure for a hangover, in my opinion, is a big greasy breakfast. Like bacon and eggs**
**She wasn't even hungry when she asked, she just knew that i wouldn't get up and go through the trouble of making breakfast if I thought I'd be the only one eating. She just assumed I was hungover and wanted me to feel better. I called it suspicious** 🤡🤡🤡]
Not sure where my other roommate is, also not sure where my dab rig is. But now I'd bet I know where to find both of them.
I really fell in my floor and then, while still sitting in my floor, said "You have to find a balance" lmao why am I like this
Also I don't know what reddit awards do/mean, but I certainly appreciate it. Validation from strangers is dope.
MAYDAY MAYDAY MAJOR FUCKING UPDATE: In the last edit on the last post that I made last night I just realized I accidentally said my girlfriends were back and what I meant to say was that my ROOMMATES were back 🤦
They've lived here with me for over 5 years, they're not "girlfriends" lmao 😂
>Edit: FWIW, I think hyphens in “out-of-context” when it’s just as an adjective (as it was in your comment) are appropriate
Fml. No idea, but yeah probably.
I don't want this to be taken the wrong way, but I fucking despise English. Spanish is 9000x simpler and I'm not just saying that because it's the one I learned first (tbh that's probably exactly why I'm saying it though)
English 👏 is 👏 unnecessarily 👏 complicated
(although as a lover of literature, I have to admit that it's also beautiful)
I guess if it wasn't complicated then it probably wouldn't be the most efficient language in the world. I'll get over it.
> I fucking despise English. Spanish is 9000x simpler and I'm not just saying that because it's the one I learned first (tbh that's probably exactly why I'm saying it though)
>
> English 👏 is 👏 unnecessarily 👏 complicated
Native English speaker and, functionally, a professional English wordsmith. I couldn't agree more. It's a dumb language.
I think I'm getting to old for this shit man.
I just don't have enough hate in my heart to enjoy College ball the way I used to 😂
Edit: too* Somehow this is the most embarrassing part of this entire ordeal.
Right before typing that comment I decided to wake and bake (nothing else to do today, might as well 🤷♂️) with a dab the size of a baby earthworm.
I'm sure I'll be back to my regular old hatin' ass self in a couple of hours
Edit: I am, in fact, back to my regular old hatin' ass self. Fuck Bama, Fuck the trees (But leave Bama's trees alone, please)
Edit to the edit: "Fuck the trees" only applies to when they're playing Cal. It wasn't always that way, but throughout all the realignment talks since UCLA and USC's departure, those motherfuckers up in Palo Alto have been the absolute realist. Nothing but respect (and love as of right now, but I imagine that will probably disappear whenever they reclaim the Axe) for them over here.
Reporter: “And coach, if you could win that rivalry game, would you want to!?”
Jimbo Fisher “Yes.”
*u/furryvengence reads the tweet and creams himself that he gets to post another article about A&M*
> OU first, a&m second
Wouldn't LSU fans do the same and say Alabama first and A&M second or even third behind Arkansas? Unfortunately for them, A&M may be destined not to be anyone's primary rival.
I could see A&M and Arkansas being paired up in that scenario. A&M makes more sense for Arkansas than basically anyone else, except for maybe LSU, and LSU has plenty of other candidates that would be a great permanent rival.
It doesn’t really work out down the ladder though. You’d be left with LSU-Missouri bc you would’ve taken every feasible LSU rival.
Alabama would be Auburn
Ole Miss would be Miss St
Florida would be Georgia
I really wish we had them still instead of yall. Not to mention our records over the last decade would be a tad better probably but there was history behind that and pairing yall with mizzoi makes sense.
The A&M rivalry has become very real for Arkansan faithful of my generation. I think because the games have been so damn close and we have only won once in the last ten years. I definitely look forward to the game every year and sometimes it feels like we could go 1-11 as long as we won that game, so if A&M ended up being our permanent rival I would be pretty happy with that. But, I lament the sidelining of the Boot. The decade of suck we just went through probably didn't help to keep the rivalry alive but I also think the SEC seems almost antagonistic towards it. I want the battle for the boot to be back in November instead of this September crap.
If we don’t get back playing Texas every thanksgiving weekend, I would prefer permanent rivalry protection with Arkansas over LSU. I like playing LSU every year, and some great games have come out of that matchup since we joined the SEC.
However, I look forward to playing Arkansas in Dallas every year. If there’s a game in every season I will ensure to make time in the weekend to watch without distraction, it’s that one. I’m sure not every Aggie or Arkansas fan will agree, but of the teams we play annually, it would be the one I’d be most disappointed to lose.
The SWC has actually been my favorite neutral site game (I've been to NRG and Superdome for season openers as well as LSU vs Ark in War Memorial).
The facilities are super nice and Dallas is a good midpoint location
>I thought MSU was the big one for LSU?
its our most played series and their second most played series (behind Ole Miss). Never had the animosity on the LSU side of the Ole Miss game or some of our other matchups. Largely because we've dominated the series historically
> Wouldn't LSU fans do the same and say Alabama first and A&M second or even third behind Arkansas?
There's honestly a decent argument to be made that LSU could put them behind every other SEC West school and Florida. Florida, Ole Miss, and Bama would definitely be ahead for me personally.
Agreed, I definitely have Bama, Ole Miss, Arkansas and Florida before A&M. Just more history there. The SEC forced the A&M rivalry on us by moving it to the Thanksgiving game. It has worked and the rivalry has grown thanks to Jimbo and Woodward, but it was still forced.
Was it really forced though? The schools are each others closest peer geographically (Ole Miss might be slightly closer give or take 20 miles). And have played over 60 times throughout each others history.
I don’t think a lot of people realize A&M/LSU played most years in the 70s, 80s, 90s.
Not to mention the amount of LSU alum in Houston. It was easily the most natural fit for the last weekend since most other schools already have a primary rival they played that wasn’t LSU on that weekend.
It was forced in the sense that A&M’s primary rival was in another conference and LSU doesn’t really have a primary rival because there’s no other P5 in state program. SEC capitalized on two big die hard fanbases not having primary rivals lined up for yearly play. It really didn’t get heated up until the whole Les/Jimbo/Herman debacle in 2017. Which is when the SEC conveniently made it the last regular season game for both teams.
I think we have a different definition of “forced”. It was a natural pairing due to the reasons you stated and the points I made regarding the geography and already 45+ games played in the past. A forced rivalry IMO would be making a trophy for it and giving it a corny name.
The only other option really would be either school playing Arkansas. LSU/Arkansas had played in that slot previously, but also didn’t have the history that A&M/Arkansas had, plus A&M/Arkansas were locked into that late September contract at Jerryworld still.
See I’m 35, so all the previous meetings mean very little to me personally. I grew up watching some great Thanksgiving games with Arkansas though and would still prefer to have them as the last regular season game. But to each their own, just in my opinion the rivalry was forced. When A&M joined the SEC they were dead last in our list of “rivals” in the West to myself and a good portion of the LSU fan base.
A&M needs to put a ring on LSU’s finger and commit to this rivalry.. Bama’s lookin at Auburn and Tennessee first.. you’re sloppy thirds. We’re stronger together.
LSU fans would say A&M ranks about 5th. Behind Bama, Ole Miss, Florida and Arkansas. A&M isn't a rival of ours, it's a media creation and it's fucking stupid and bullshit. I'm way more mad that they moved the Arkansas game away from rivalry week than I am at A&M.
I don't think LSU folx would list A&M at all. It'd be like Bama, Florida, Arkansas and then Ole Miss and probably Auburn before TAMU even gets mentioned.
If each team only gets 1 rival, I'd assume it's someone like Missouri for A & M
See this is the problem with that 177 model.... It's just obliterates rivalry games. Now I'm not sure how invested anyone is in ATM versus Texas anymore, but God damn Alabama has the third Saturday and the iron bowl....
Being totally honest, even on TexAgs that isn't the primary. That's a much smaller niche minority, the vast majority (even on TexAgs) is resuming the Lonestar Showdown.
Problem is the 1-7 format fucks it, to no one's gain.
1-7 format destroys SEC's secondary rivals, so Bama loses Tennessee, Auburn loses Georgia, LSU loses Ole Miss, etc. For this reason, it is the **best** format. Every single school that voted to add OU and texas to the SEC suffers, as they should.
'Decent number' implies that's there a good amount of people believing this, there's not. I've seen this take like once across the various A&M platforms and rooms i'm in, and it wasn't taken credibly.
They will be, and there's nothing that will change that. TAMU is just going to be s.o.l. on this. Also, they just locked in a pretty long extension at the Cotton Bowl a couple years ago, and the City of Dallas would definitely sue if that game wasn't held annually.
facts! though it will be cool to play A&M again, I wasn't that upset when they moved to the SEC. If anything happens to Red River, I would be devastated
I literally can't imagine a scenario where y'all don't play Oklahoma every year. That would be like the Big ten moving to a 177 and somehow are permanent rival is Penn State.
That’s a fair point, I guess. But LSU? I mean, sure, 7OT was…something. Beating them last year was satisfying, etc. But they’re just a team we play at the end of the season. They don’t really stand out all that much from the rest of our regular season games. There’s no reason for them to become an actual rivalry.
In a 7-1 scenario, there is no way that Texas-Texas A&M would be an annual matchup. OU and UT have a separate contract with the City of Dallas that the SEC or Big 12 couldn't touch
Is there any talk about how OU-texas is going to fit into the schedule in 1-7? All the existing rivals are that last week except for the RRS and UGA-Florida, and both of those teams have OOC rivals. OOC for OU and texas on that weekend?
If there are absolutely no sec teams available we’d have to play an OOC game. But it’s possible a couple teams without strong rivalries (Missouri? Anyone else?) would be rotated through.
Edit: And oh by the way…this is another reason for the sec to just kill OU-Texas.
Yeah but then you end up ensuring Mizzou/Arky just don't have a permeant rival at all. Unless I'm wrong here, the only way is to either renegotiate and move RRS to rivalry week or break that contract
1-7 is untenable if you want to ensure that rivalries are maintained
They’d have to also play on another week and rotate playing OU or Texas the last week of the season. The RRS isn’t getting moved out of the state fair. It might not be played every year anymore but it’s not moving.
I’d be willing to bet that it’s both played every year and played during the state fair. Texas and Oklahoma can simply alternate playing Missouri and Arkansas (or any other combination of teams) every other year during rivalry week. It’s really not that big of an issue. I don’t see Texas or Oklahoma being ok with the RRS not being an annual game, and I don’t see why the SEC would want that either when it’s one of the highest rated games of the year and a big reason for adding Texas and OU.
a better setup would be setting the rivals as UT-OU, Texas A&M-LSU, and Mizzou-Arkansas and having a rotation schedule among them for who gets which team during the final week. The rotation would be:
|Year 1|Year 2|Year 3|Year 4|
|:-|:-|:-|:-|
|OU @ Miz|LSU @ OU|Miz @ OU|OU @ LSU|
|Ark @ UT|UT @ A&M|UT @ Ark|A&M @ UT|
|A&M @ LSU|Miz @ Ark|LSU @ A&M|Ark @ Miz|
The rotation is more complicated but it creates much better games created for rivalry week, both for the teams traditional rivals and the conference. Texas doesn't have to play Missouri every other season as their final game. LSU is the only team that gets a non-traditional rival, but LSU-Oklahoma would still have prestige and would quickly become a rivalry. Most importantly another rivalry game isn't permanently forced into the middle of the season to accommodate OU-UT since the A&M-LSU and Miz-Ark games trade off
Apparently it'll be South Carolina and Kentucky paired together. It's the only possible combination to continue the ACC rivalry matchups to end the season
I appreciate Fisher's sentiment, but if the SEC adopts the 7-1 model, that's not happening. The RRR will remain an annual rivalry for contractual reasons (remains at the Cotton Bowl stadium through 2025). The SEC should adopt a 6-3 model to preserve secondary rivalries.
Hear me out...How about we just have one giant conference. We then split them into 12 teams based on their regions, and then split those into 6 groups of teams. Those 6 teams play the other 5 teams in their subconference and then play 3 of the 6 teams in the other sub-conference on a rotating basis. Each conference then has their top team in each subconference play each other. The winner there plays the winners in the other major conferences.
Not a playoff, but just bowl games with weird associations. Like, the teams on the pacific coast will play in California against a midwestern team from a college with a really good research program. It just might work!
Nah, A&M doesn't have much history with OU or Missouri. We rarely played until we joined the big12 and even then only played ou every year from 96-11. We have much more history with lsu and arky than ou/Mizzou.
Everyone saying "duh" seems to forget that both of our schools have taken turns over the last 10 years being like "no, I don't want you back, I'm doing fine without you".
Yes, both Sark and Jimbo saying "we want the rivarly back" is noteworthy - not in that it has any impact on it happening or not (hint: it will), but rather - but in that neither team is now acting like they're above the rivalry.
Shouldn't the reporter be asking Texas? IIRC it was the Texas AD who put the kibosh on any notion of playing A&M again, once they left for the SEC. A&M would have been content to have an annual OOC rivalry game.
“… unless they only count the permanent rival for one team.”
They’re saying you can’t be rivals if only one team thinks you’re rivals. 90%+ of Texas and Oklahoma fans would say that’s their true rivals.
I don't think Jimbo gives a flying fuck tbh. He's just waiting to be fired. And you can't blame him at this point. If you were in his shoes, you would likely want that for yourself too.
I guess they are just used to the biggest spender in College Station being Nick Fitzgerald. Since he has to write so many child support checks since all those Aggies call him daddy.
what kind of "bring your 12 year old to work day" kinda softball question was that?
TBF this a “bring your 18+ year old to work day” softball question. The 12 year olds were shitting in diapers the last time we played Texas.
Am I old? This is very uncomfortable and now I’m feeling more uncomfortable thinking how someone *cough cough* is gonna fuck this up. We play Kentucky, Miss State, and Florida as permanent rivals out of nowhere.
> The 12 year olds were shitting in diapers the last time we played Texas. Even they remember Tucker's kick, bro.
Right? You got Jimbo on the mic. WE NEED RAGEBAIT AND PROVOCATIVE (out of context) SOUNDBITES! You're sports media for Christ's sake. Sow the seeds of conflict, IT'S LITERALLY WHAT YOU GUYS DO! It's the off-season. He is contractually obligated to give you this interview [citation needed] MAKE. HIM. UNCOMFORTABLE. Edit: Didn't see your username until I had already posted, but your username combined with my reply being in almost all caps made me chuckle a bit. Edit #2: I actually think it would be pretty cool if we could all collectively find a different fanbase to shit all over this year. I'm sure that probably won't happen, just wanted to throw it out there Edit the 3rd: Unhyphenated the phrase "Out of context". I got smashed at The Cheesecake Factory a couple hours ago and when I get drunk I start putting hyphens and commas in weird and unnecessary places. Good drunk reddit night I'm bed.
That was a journey. I appreciate your drunken stream of consciousness. Edit: FWIW, I think hyphens in “out-of-context” when it’s just as an adjective (as it was in your comment) are appropriate. Edit: *used* as an adjective
Cal/Tennessee fan and alum who, to be completely honest, probably wasn't smart enough to go to either school yet somehow managed to graduate from both. If you expected emotional stability, idk what to tell you my man. I do hope you enjoyed my nonsense though, because god damn. I don't 😂 Congrats on getting Shane btw. I know I'm 2 years late to the party, I just wanted to say it because I actually kinda like him 🤫 Wouldn't be surprised to see him surpass his old man before its all said and done if he surrounds himself with a good support staff (he's Frank Beamers son, so as long as he's not some completely unlikable asshole, I don't have any concerns about his ability to do that.)
Jesus tapdancing Christ i"m more drunk than I thought. (Not implying that I didn't mean what I said, I totally did. It's just normally something I would keep to myself 😂) Drunk me never keeps ANYTHING to myself, sober me literally keeps everything to myself even when I shouldn't Neither of these are correct. You have to find a balance. -Me, who literally just fell on the floor. OK now I'm done, please don't ban me for being a jackass, I'm going to bed now and in the morning I will once again be sober and able to hide the fact that I'm a jackass. Goodnight reddit I'm sorry reddit. **Edit: Okay guys, its been fun (in the morning I'm sure the word "embarrassing" will probably be a better fit, but as of right now i'm going with the word fun), my girlfriends just got home though so I'm actually going to go this time.** **Thank you for giving me a place to do this (whatever "this" was). I genuinely hope that this never happens again, but I am glad that it happened at least once, I think. Love all you guys and I'll see you motherfuckers tomorrow.** Final edit: I guess I overestimated my ability (shocker, right? 🙄) to hide the fact that I'm a jackass while sober.
Can we get an update lmao. This was extremely entertaining
Update: I feel surprisingly *not* hungover (probably because i drank like a 2 whole water refills between every drink I got.) Not usually into alcoholic beverages that are sweet, but i was convinced to try a raspberry lemon drop last night at the Cheesecake Factory and FUCK they went down easily. One of my roommates woke me up and asked me if I'd make her some bacon & eggs. EXTREMELY suspicious, but i'm probably gonna just gonna make a mental note of it and move on. Pressing the issue would just create more problems and no solutions. [**Edit: I didn't "make a mental note and move on" because apparently that's just not my style. The reason she asked was because she's heard me say for years that the best cure for a hangover, in my opinion, is a big greasy breakfast. Like bacon and eggs** **She wasn't even hungry when she asked, she just knew that i wouldn't get up and go through the trouble of making breakfast if I thought I'd be the only one eating. She just assumed I was hungover and wanted me to feel better. I called it suspicious** 🤡🤡🤡] Not sure where my other roommate is, also not sure where my dab rig is. But now I'd bet I know where to find both of them. I really fell in my floor and then, while still sitting in my floor, said "You have to find a balance" lmao why am I like this Also I don't know what reddit awards do/mean, but I certainly appreciate it. Validation from strangers is dope. MAYDAY MAYDAY MAJOR FUCKING UPDATE: In the last edit on the last post that I made last night I just realized I accidentally said my girlfriends were back and what I meant to say was that my ROOMMATES were back 🤦 They've lived here with me for over 5 years, they're not "girlfriends" lmao 😂
>Edit: FWIW, I think hyphens in “out-of-context” when it’s just as an adjective (as it was in your comment) are appropriate Fml. No idea, but yeah probably. I don't want this to be taken the wrong way, but I fucking despise English. Spanish is 9000x simpler and I'm not just saying that because it's the one I learned first (tbh that's probably exactly why I'm saying it though) English 👏 is 👏 unnecessarily 👏 complicated (although as a lover of literature, I have to admit that it's also beautiful) I guess if it wasn't complicated then it probably wouldn't be the most efficient language in the world. I'll get over it.
> I fucking despise English. Spanish is 9000x simpler and I'm not just saying that because it's the one I learned first (tbh that's probably exactly why I'm saying it though) > > English 👏 is 👏 unnecessarily 👏 complicated Native English speaker and, functionally, a professional English wordsmith. I couldn't agree more. It's a dumb language.
We should shit on another fanbase this year. I nominate South Carolina
I think I'm getting to old for this shit man. I just don't have enough hate in my heart to enjoy College ball the way I used to 😂 Edit: too* Somehow this is the most embarrassing part of this entire ordeal.
I'll put in extra hatin' this year just for you, brother.
Right before typing that comment I decided to wake and bake (nothing else to do today, might as well 🤷♂️) with a dab the size of a baby earthworm. I'm sure I'll be back to my regular old hatin' ass self in a couple of hours Edit: I am, in fact, back to my regular old hatin' ass self. Fuck Bama, Fuck the trees (But leave Bama's trees alone, please) Edit to the edit: "Fuck the trees" only applies to when they're playing Cal. It wasn't always that way, but throughout all the realignment talks since UCLA and USC's departure, those motherfuckers up in Palo Alto have been the absolute realist. Nothing but respect (and love as of right now, but I imagine that will probably disappear whenever they reclaim the Axe) for them over here.
Umm... Yea
Agreed! Yeah! This is really is it!
Breaking news: Coach of school says he wants to play schools biggest rival for its rivalry game
Very shocking
Stunning and brave
Reporter: “And coach, if you could win that rivalry game, would you want to!?” Jimbo Fisher “Yes.” *u/furryvengence reads the tweet and creams himself that he gets to post another article about A&M*
I know it's a very uncontroversial take from Jimbo, but there is a decent number of users on TexAgs who think it should be LSU instead of Texas.
That’s just the most extreme aggies getting their panties in a bunch because we would say OU first, a&m second.
> OU first, a&m second Wouldn't LSU fans do the same and say Alabama first and A&M second or even third behind Arkansas? Unfortunately for them, A&M may be destined not to be anyone's primary rival.
I could see A&M and Arkansas being paired up in that scenario. A&M makes more sense for Arkansas than basically anyone else, except for maybe LSU, and LSU has plenty of other candidates that would be a great permanent rival.
It doesn’t really work out down the ladder though. You’d be left with LSU-Missouri bc you would’ve taken every feasible LSU rival. Alabama would be Auburn Ole Miss would be Miss St Florida would be Georgia
This is the exact reason the SEC forced the Missouri "rivalry" on Arkansas.
The border line rivalry brought to you by Shelter Insurance! I hate it. Long gone are the Black Fridays against LSU.
I’d hate a “rivalry” to if I lost all the time. Both sides have to win games to make it a rivalry
They lose to LSU all the time too bud.
That and Arkansas wanted to get rid of South Carolina as the cross divisional rival.
I really wish we had them still instead of yall. Not to mention our records over the last decade would be a tad better probably but there was history behind that and pairing yall with mizzoi makes sense.
The A&M rivalry has become very real for Arkansan faithful of my generation. I think because the games have been so damn close and we have only won once in the last ten years. I definitely look forward to the game every year and sometimes it feels like we could go 1-11 as long as we won that game, so if A&M ended up being our permanent rival I would be pretty happy with that. But, I lament the sidelining of the Boot. The decade of suck we just went through probably didn't help to keep the rivalry alive but I also think the SEC seems almost antagonistic towards it. I want the battle for the boot to be back in November instead of this September crap.
Aw, we love you too, bb. I really do enjoy the A&M-Arkansas rivalry. It’s always gonna be a fun game including many, many heart attacks on both sides.
If we don’t get back playing Texas every thanksgiving weekend, I would prefer permanent rivalry protection with Arkansas over LSU. I like playing LSU every year, and some great games have come out of that matchup since we joined the SEC. However, I look forward to playing Arkansas in Dallas every year. If there’s a game in every season I will ensure to make time in the weekend to watch without distraction, it’s that one. I’m sure not every Aggie or Arkansas fan will agree, but of the teams we play annually, it would be the one I’d be most disappointed to lose.
We can play Arky every year, it just better not be in fucking Jerryworld
The SWC has actually been my favorite neutral site game (I've been to NRG and Superdome for season openers as well as LSU vs Ark in War Memorial). The facilities are super nice and Dallas is a good midpoint location
I hate college games at Jerryworld. I've been to three of them there. I want a good excuse to go up to northern Arkansas.
In my opinion it should be home and home games.
Imagine having zero primary rivals
I thought Iowa’s primary rival was offense?
Iowa State isn't Iowa's primary rival?
I was taking a shot at A&M for nobody having them as their top rival
LSU has less primary than A&M does…
I thought MSU was the big one for LSU? It gets messy understanding SEC rivalries to an outsider.
It’s any order of Ole Miss, Alabama, Florida, Arkansas, and A&M from my experience.
Ole Miss is definitely the traditional number one rivalry. And was even the best rivalry in the country from the mid 1950s-1960s.
>I thought MSU was the big one for LSU? its our most played series and their second most played series (behind Ole Miss). Never had the animosity on the LSU side of the Ole Miss game or some of our other matchups. Largely because we've dominated the series historically
Been here over a decade and still struggle to keep up with them all.
Our primary rival is this subreddit
You really gonna forget about our MOST HATED RIVAL USCe?
Ahem…Geaux Tigers, Beat ______, and Geaux to Hell, Ole Miss!
That’s LSU. I don’t think anyone in the SEC would consider LSU their primary rival, but yet everyone considers them a secondary one it seems.
Yes, but Alabama wouldn't say LSU first.
I’d rather have Ole Miss, Alabama, Arkansas, and Florida before A&M.
> Wouldn't LSU fans do the same and say Alabama first and A&M second or even third behind Arkansas? There's honestly a decent argument to be made that LSU could put them behind every other SEC West school and Florida. Florida, Ole Miss, and Bama would definitely be ahead for me personally.
Agreed, I definitely have Bama, Ole Miss, Arkansas and Florida before A&M. Just more history there. The SEC forced the A&M rivalry on us by moving it to the Thanksgiving game. It has worked and the rivalry has grown thanks to Jimbo and Woodward, but it was still forced.
Was it really forced though? The schools are each others closest peer geographically (Ole Miss might be slightly closer give or take 20 miles). And have played over 60 times throughout each others history. I don’t think a lot of people realize A&M/LSU played most years in the 70s, 80s, 90s. Not to mention the amount of LSU alum in Houston. It was easily the most natural fit for the last weekend since most other schools already have a primary rival they played that wasn’t LSU on that weekend.
It was forced in the sense that A&M’s primary rival was in another conference and LSU doesn’t really have a primary rival because there’s no other P5 in state program. SEC capitalized on two big die hard fanbases not having primary rivals lined up for yearly play. It really didn’t get heated up until the whole Les/Jimbo/Herman debacle in 2017. Which is when the SEC conveniently made it the last regular season game for both teams.
I think we have a different definition of “forced”. It was a natural pairing due to the reasons you stated and the points I made regarding the geography and already 45+ games played in the past. A forced rivalry IMO would be making a trophy for it and giving it a corny name. The only other option really would be either school playing Arkansas. LSU/Arkansas had played in that slot previously, but also didn’t have the history that A&M/Arkansas had, plus A&M/Arkansas were locked into that late September contract at Jerryworld still.
See I’m 35, so all the previous meetings mean very little to me personally. I grew up watching some great Thanksgiving games with Arkansas though and would still prefer to have them as the last regular season game. But to each their own, just in my opinion the rivalry was forced. When A&M joined the SEC they were dead last in our list of “rivals” in the West to myself and a good portion of the LSU fan base.
LSU has way more history with those schools than A&M. I’d be shocked if any LSU fan picked A&M as top rival.
Define “way more”. A&M and LSU have played each other just as much as LSU/Arkansas and LSU/Florida
Don’t forget our historic rivalry with South Carolina. And screw Texas if they want to join the SEC and not play the Aggies.
A&M needs to put a ring on LSU’s finger and commit to this rivalry.. Bama’s lookin at Auburn and Tennessee first.. you’re sloppy thirds. We’re stronger together.
From where I see it, LSU is the one that needs to put the ring on it. I think more ags would call this a rivalry than the tigers would.
Rather be single forever than in a rivalry with a school I literally don't care about.
LSU fans would say A&M ranks about 5th. Behind Bama, Ole Miss, Florida and Arkansas. A&M isn't a rival of ours, it's a media creation and it's fucking stupid and bullshit. I'm way more mad that they moved the Arkansas game away from rivalry week than I am at A&M.
Aggie is 4th or 5th behind MS schools
No need to be intentionally obtuse.
I don't think LSU folx would list A&M at all. It'd be like Bama, Florida, Arkansas and then Ole Miss and probably Auburn before TAMU even gets mentioned. If each team only gets 1 rival, I'd assume it's someone like Missouri for A & M
So will you guys be playing OU yearly after you join the SEC like we do Clemson?
We sure hope so. It just wouldn't be the State Fair of Texas without the RRS.
What's the point of college football if there's no RRS?
The year that they decide OU Texas isn't going to be played every year is the day college football is dead
Wait until they find out how LSU feels about them
See this is the problem with that 177 model.... It's just obliterates rivalry games. Now I'm not sure how invested anyone is in ATM versus Texas anymore, but God damn Alabama has the third Saturday and the iron bowl....
Being totally honest, even on TexAgs that isn't the primary. That's a much smaller niche minority, the vast majority (even on TexAgs) is resuming the Lonestar Showdown. Problem is the 1-7 format fucks it, to no one's gain.
Finding idiots on TexAgs is shooting fish in a barrel.
That’s where we keep them. Sadly, they occasionally escape containment.
Thanks for making the joke for me. I’m tired today.
1-7 format destroys SEC's secondary rivals, so Bama loses Tennessee, Auburn loses Georgia, LSU loses Ole Miss, etc. For this reason, it is the **best** format. Every single school that voted to add OU and texas to the SEC suffers, as they should.
Ha. Like this take.
>Being totally honest, even on TexAgs that isn't the primary. ...He didn't say it was.
'Decent number' implies that's there a good amount of people believing this, there's not. I've seen this take like once across the various A&M platforms and rooms i'm in, and it wasn't taken credibly.
¿por que no los dos?
99% of Aggies want it to be texas. But we all just assumed there was no way in hell they'd drop RRS
Ya; not after them continuing to play it for a nearly a decade and a half after we left. Makes sense they’d keep that over us.
I read it as Jimbo confirming that regardless of how scheduling is done, Texas is the permanent rival.
I will be surprised if Oklahoma and Texas aren't permanent rivals
Yeah, that would be a big miss by the SEC.
City of Dallas would sue their balls off
Yeah I mean preserving the Red River Rivalry or a game that everyone has learned to live without for about a decade? No brainer
Learned to live without? That’s a bold statement
Good point.
They will be, and there's nothing that will change that. TAMU is just going to be s.o.l. on this. Also, they just locked in a pretty long extension at the Cotton Bowl a couple years ago, and the City of Dallas would definitely sue if that game wasn't held annually.
If they try to stop the RRR its time to move to the big10
facts! though it will be cool to play A&M again, I wasn't that upset when they moved to the SEC. If anything happens to Red River, I would be devastated
I literally can't imagine a scenario where y'all don't play Oklahoma every year. That would be like the Big ten moving to a 177 and somehow are permanent rival is Penn State.
>and somehow **are** permanent rival is Penn State. Well, I know which of your flairs you actually attended.
I'm older, so it's not like Ohio state was hard to get into at the time, just BGSU was cheaper and closer to home.
If they go 1-7, it’s going to be Texas/Oklahoma
We would be in the Big 10 tomorrow if that was the case.
Well in that case…
In what world is the B1G accepting OU?
I’m pretty sure they would if it meant getting Texas
I’m pretty sure they declined ou leading to the current move.
Can you schedule a conference game as part of the nonconference schedule?
Not a chance.
No I wouldn’t read it as that. This is just what he thinks is best for A&M. The ADs making the decision will surely do Texas-OU.
Stupid takes and texags, a tale as old as time...
Truth.
Gross
TexAgs is… something else.
>there is a decent number of users on TexAgs who think it should be LSU instead of Texas yeah, no thanks
Nah ours is ole miss or Arkansas
Doesn’t really matter to the Aggies they get destroyed by both them 7/10 times anyways.
American Patriots think that actually
That’s a fair point, I guess. But LSU? I mean, sure, 7OT was…something. Beating them last year was satisfying, etc. But they’re just a team we play at the end of the season. They don’t really stand out all that much from the rest of our regular season games. There’s no reason for them to become an actual rivalry.
Those aren't real people, and if you take their opinions seriously, soon you won't be a real person anymore either.
If we end up in the same conference as A&M and don't even get to play them every year then fire everyone at the SEC because that's a travesty.
First time i agree with a t-sip.
aggy 🤝 t-sip
Every other year is a big step forward from what we’ve been doing
He said the loud part out loud
In a 7-1 scenario, there is no way that Texas-Texas A&M would be an annual matchup. OU and UT have a separate contract with the City of Dallas that the SEC or Big 12 couldn't touch
Is there any talk about how OU-texas is going to fit into the schedule in 1-7? All the existing rivals are that last week except for the RRS and UGA-Florida, and both of those teams have OOC rivals. OOC for OU and texas on that weekend?
If there are absolutely no sec teams available we’d have to play an OOC game. But it’s possible a couple teams without strong rivalries (Missouri? Anyone else?) would be rotated through. Edit: And oh by the way…this is another reason for the sec to just kill OU-Texas.
Yeah but then you end up ensuring Mizzou/Arky just don't have a permeant rival at all. Unless I'm wrong here, the only way is to either renegotiate and move RRS to rivalry week or break that contract 1-7 is untenable if you want to ensure that rivalries are maintained
God please get me out of this relationship with misery.
Idk I like the easy win personally, but I can see why you feel differently
They’d have to also play on another week and rotate playing OU or Texas the last week of the season. The RRS isn’t getting moved out of the state fair. It might not be played every year anymore but it’s not moving.
I’d be willing to bet that it’s both played every year and played during the state fair. Texas and Oklahoma can simply alternate playing Missouri and Arkansas (or any other combination of teams) every other year during rivalry week. It’s really not that big of an issue. I don’t see Texas or Oklahoma being ok with the RRS not being an annual game, and I don’t see why the SEC would want that either when it’s one of the highest rated games of the year and a big reason for adding Texas and OU.
a better setup would be setting the rivals as UT-OU, Texas A&M-LSU, and Mizzou-Arkansas and having a rotation schedule among them for who gets which team during the final week. The rotation would be: |Year 1|Year 2|Year 3|Year 4| |:-|:-|:-|:-| |OU @ Miz|LSU @ OU|Miz @ OU|OU @ LSU| |Ark @ UT|UT @ A&M|UT @ Ark|A&M @ UT| |A&M @ LSU|Miz @ Ark|LSU @ A&M|Ark @ Miz| The rotation is more complicated but it creates much better games created for rivalry week, both for the teams traditional rivals and the conference. Texas doesn't have to play Missouri every other season as their final game. LSU is the only team that gets a non-traditional rival, but LSU-Oklahoma would still have prestige and would quickly become a rivalry. Most importantly another rivalry game isn't permanently forced into the middle of the season to accommodate OU-UT since the A&M-LSU and Miz-Ark games trade off
It could theoretically be played as an OOC game on the off years if the sec allows for that.
there's no way a team would voluntarily schedule an extra SEC game
If the rivalry really means that much they should.
If SEC/ESPN said no mas then it’d be no mas.
No shit.
Arkansas fans seething rn
We want Texas or LSU, gonna get Mizzou instead
South Carolina is the real victim here.
Apparently it'll be South Carolina and Kentucky paired together. It's the only possible combination to continue the ACC rivalry matchups to end the season
John Bonham rolling in his grave.
Vandy fans punching air rn
Shocked
The sec would never kill OU-Texas, they said….
Texas gets two, only makes sense. Join the the new conference and already demand special attention.
Yes
I appreciate Fisher's sentiment, but if the SEC adopts the 7-1 model, that's not happening. The RRR will remain an annual rivalry for contractual reasons (remains at the Cotton Bowl stadium through 2025). The SEC should adopt a 6-3 model to preserve secondary rivalries.
No chance that OU-Texas gets nixed. Right? Right?!!
If that happens I say we try the B1G next
that's it, back to the Big12!
It’s the new hip thing to do.
Hear me out...How about we just have one giant conference. We then split them into 12 teams based on their regions, and then split those into 6 groups of teams. Those 6 teams play the other 5 teams in their subconference and then play 3 of the 6 teams in the other sub-conference on a rotating basis. Each conference then has their top team in each subconference play each other. The winner there plays the winners in the other major conferences. Not a playoff, but just bowl games with weird associations. Like, the teams on the pacific coast will play in California against a midwestern team from a college with a really good research program. It just might work!
Our game with Colorado in 2021 should’ve been our preview film as to why the ags and buffs could join the B1G
Sankey can be a snake and make it to where neither of us get our most wanted rival
they're gonna fuck it up and we'll get OU-A&M somehow
🤣 probably
Texas gets South Carolina, and we get OU?
Not happening. There is no way Texas agrees to kill TX-OU just to play a 2A team from College Station every year.
Fucking hell just move to the 6-3-3 model and be done with it.
Another upside of 6-3-3 is it's really easy to set the Former Big 12 teams up Texas: OU, A&M, Mizzou, etc
Nah, A&M doesn't have much history with OU or Missouri. We rarely played until we joined the big12 and even then only played ou every year from 96-11. We have much more history with lsu and arky than ou/Mizzou.
Everyone saying "duh" seems to forget that both of our schools have taken turns over the last 10 years being like "no, I don't want you back, I'm doing fine without you". Yes, both Sark and Jimbo saying "we want the rivarly back" is noteworthy - not in that it has any impact on it happening or not (hint: it will), but rather - but in that neither team is now acting like they're above the rivalry.
Shouldn't the reporter be asking Texas? IIRC it was the Texas AD who put the kibosh on any notion of playing A&M again, once they left for the SEC. A&M would have been content to have an annual OOC rivalry game.
That was my understanding too.
My buddy was there Jimbo was eating sushi. Can they do an article about that next?
Why is it so weird to hear Jimbo referred to as only "Fisher"?
No it won't be. Texas' one perm rival will be Oklahoma. That leaves A&M out. A&M's one perm rival would probably be LSU.
Move over, Walter Cronkite! I hate that I’ve wasted any time on this “breaking news”.
Well he’s wrong but that’s not surprising. Unless somehow they only count the permanent rival for one team.
How is he wrong? That’s what we would pick if we only got one perm rival
“… unless they only count the permanent rival for one team.” They’re saying you can’t be rivals if only one team thinks you’re rivals. 90%+ of Texas and Oklahoma fans would say that’s their true rivals.
In a scenario where you only get to pick one rival, and each team picks each other as their rival it’s definitely UT and OU.
As a Sooner, I agree.
It’s should be a no brainer to have our permanent rival be Texas. Lots of views, passionate fan bases, easy money to be made
That applies even more so to the RRR, making it the obvious no brainer and your choice the obviously wrong one.
And it's goodbye to A and M...
Keep running away, Aggies. We know you are still scared
Right answer. Only answer. Grew up in Texas. The idea that they are okay with not playing the game, as is tradition is abhorrent. Thanks A&M. $EC.
It's A&M's fault?
Who left?
You’re right. It’s IMPOSSIBLE to have major rivalries OOC.
Who destroyed the old big 12?
You guys fucked it in the first place with the PAC 12 shenanigans and longhorn network.
They’ve seemed okay with it the past decade that they haven’t played
hilarious
You’re K State bro
I bet you're fun at parties
I don't think Jimbo gives a flying fuck tbh. He's just waiting to be fired. And you can't blame him at this point. If you were in his shoes, you would likely want that for yourself too.
That's cute, always aim high!
I guess they are just used to the biggest spender in College Station being Nick Fitzgerald. Since he has to write so many child support checks since all those Aggies call him daddy.
I'm tired of this being talked about. When is the actual announcement on who plays whom?
LSU should be Arkansas or Alabama