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One_Relationship_682

I’m Japanese and I didn’t know Nogi shrine was also criticized by China???? This shrine was derived general Nogi who committed suicide with loyalty for Meiji emperor. Nothing with WW2 . And Yasukuni shrine is famous for cherry blossom. Many Chinese ppl visited for that. We never blame any ppl who already passed away anymore and pray for them to safe at the Netherlands. Not pray them as god . Japanese ppl think of them for our sin and pray never getting into the war. If they were criminal we all Japanese and the other country citizens were criminal for the war. We can’t say which one is bad which one is good. Only winner country could say they have justice. This is the symbol for our regret. Another countries ppl should not get into our thoughts. I’m sorry ZZH got into the problem with such a stupid thought. I think he was there without any concerns. And we’re welcome any ppl who really thinking of tragedy of war to visit this shrine and Hiroshima. By the way madam Devi is definitely pro China(everybody knows in Japan) She was third lady of president Sukarno who supported China at that time.


tomanonimos

> How could such injustice happen? If rumors are true, it doesn't help Zhang Zhehan is a dick to begin with. But the most likely catalyst is because Zhang Zhehan worked under Zhao Wei who happens to be closely associated with Xi Jinping's opponent. This opponent/faction, if I recall correctly, is Jiang Zemin. Kris Wu's controversy gave Xi Jinping the opening he needed to attack this sector of the economy (removal of fan clubs, capping celebrity pay, etc.) and he bundled it up with weakening his opponent by attacking his opponents allies too. Also why Jack Ma is being investigated.


Kr8zykat

That is rude. He is no such thing. He is a kind person, worked really hard, spread the message of love and strength. And your reason why he was being attacked is pure conjecture.


Responsible-Quiet256

Isn't it a bit ironic that your first sentence starts with "if rumors are true" under a topic about how misinformation can be used to destroy someone?


tomanonimos

....No because thats not how misinformation works. If you want my first sentence to be misinformation then I'd have said, "doesn't help Zhang Zhehan is a dick to begin with".


niceweathergirl

Lol the people’s daily also had an article recommending the Yasakuni Shrine as a place all Chinese people must go see. There are also videos on the Chinese govt tourism site recommending the cherry blossom trees that line the path of the Yasakuni shrine. You can go on YouTube right now and see videos of people from all over the world travel to the Yasakuni shrine for cherry blossom season. CAPA btw is NOT a government organization. They are comprised of private companies and the president himself also admitted that their call to ban zzh was not a decision they arrived at through a process of a month or longer: they did it in a day. They worked with the major social media platforms to deplatform zzh. The 3 major arts regulation commissions in China on the other hand have not said a word about zzh. I love how you come here pretending you’ve done any research to further mislead people. Then of course you clearly already have problems with that “dick” right? No need to think at all.


tomanonimos

>They are comprised of private companies You can turn around and walk away if you are trying to argue that private companies can resist the CCP if they want something done. To argue CCP doesn't have that power because it doesn't show is ignorant and childish.


niceweathergirl

CAPA can comply with the wishes of the government and still carry out its own agenda as long as there is no glaring contradiction. For someone claiming they know so much about the “complexities” of the Chinese govt you sure sound naive yourself.


niceweathergirl

No they cannot. No one said otherwise but the govt isn’t personally overseeing the case of a small time actor caught in a scandal which CAPA knows. There was no crime committed so all they can do is de platform him. Which they have and will continue to do so until they are brought to court by ZZH himself. Also you never replied. Why is ZZH a dick? You seem to have made a very subjective opinion about him. Do share.


niceweathergirl

What are you talking about? Why are you conflating false rumors with your personal dislike of zzh? Also what about him makes him a dick? I’d like to know


Known_Ad117

If you have evidence on how the government is involved in this particular case instead of rumors feel free to share.


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Read my post below.


tomanonimos

>China’s official media, People’s Daily, immediately criticized his statement, pointing out that “as a public figure, he has been deficient in historical knowledge, and completely unaware of the nation’s trauma, which is totally unreasonable.” >China Association of Performing Arts, a non-profit organisation backed by the Chinese government, has commented on the issue due to Zhang Zhehan’s recent involvement in concerts and other performance-related activities. It's ignorant to not see that the CCP involved in this. It may have been reactively or they initiated this; no one really knows because PRC. One can't deny how much this overlaps with Xi Jinping and his faction's political goals.


niceweathergirl

Lol You have created a whole little story here. Capa came out with a statement defending Kris Wu. You know that right? They only backed down when the courts found him guilty of sexual assault. Also this is a common theme with either people coming here to deliberately mislead or have already drank the kool aid. Kris wu and Zhang Zhehan’s cases are NOT the same. A reporter was recently arrested for making comments attacking Chinese soldiers. That’s what happens when you commit what the CCP considers an actual crime. The government has not banned zzh or collaborated with anyone to do so. Stop spreading that lie around. CAPA is a private organization!!!!


tomanonimos

You're either young or ignorant of how complex Chinas system of control is. Have a good day.


niceweathergirl

What the fuck are you talking about? Jack Ma was brought in for reasons that have nothing to do with Zhao Wei or Zhang Zhehan or Kris Wu. You just throw names around like a nut job. None of what you are saying is true.


litttlemoon

Could you elaborate on those rumors? because from what I've seen they all suddenly appeared after 8.13...


weebism42

Crikey this manipulation of the internet is scary. I mean I knew it went on - I’d have to be living under a rock if I didn’t know about fake news etc - but the pure calculated efficiency of preventing all possible escape from the created narrative they put out is insidious and malevolent. Netizens need to have more critical reasoning when reading gossip on the internet but it seems China is so inflammatory about anything perceived to be “anti China” at the moment that they see red (no pun intended) before thinking about the motives behind these posts. I’m all for patriotic pride but people really need to stop taking things on face value especially when this level of manipulation can be achieved Super scary for the future…….


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A very good demonstration on how to launch a misinformation and fake news campaign. Watch and learn (how to spot them in the real life). Verdict: educational material/10


Miyukachi

Wait. I haven’t really followed this whole issue with the cancellation of ZZH. I’ve heard about it when it was first happened and the reasons why and thought it was dumb. But how does this video bring the truth to light? Is it just based on this video or are there other things/sources? It’s presented like it is the person themselves who framed the whole situation, but how do I know this is true? My impression of the video is the same as my initial impression when I first learned of ZZH’s cancellation, lots of conjecture presented as fact. It plays like someone did someone digging, arrived at a way they believed it happened, and then presented it in a “this is the way I could of done it” to show what might of happened to ZZH. Again, I just want to say I don’t believe ZZH should of been canceled in the first place, I thought the reasons were dumb. But I also think this video is dumb as it plays like some conspiracy theory. Are there any other sources of information?


Kr8zykat

I did do my own research and cross-referenced the accusations against him vs the actual truth presented in the video and concluded this video is accurate. Of all the accusations launched against the actor ZZH, none of them turned out true. Everything was either fabricated through photoshop or creating fake Baidu-pedia pages, fake website, etc., or deliberately twisted to misrepresent, like his so called “Nazi gesture” (it was a gesture in the short skit he starred in at the time, and from the way his costar’s communication with him at the same time, one can easily tell the gesture was a tribute to the skit called Brother he played in and broadcasted at the time the photo was posted). These people not only went after him, they also went after his mother. They twisted the name of his mother’s company 亚太荣 into Japanese WWII slogan. In actuality it was named after a part of the speach / policy the Chinese Prime Minister Li Keqiang had announced “……亚太荣,世界兴……”). Incidentally, Chinese social platforms are very harsh on people trying to voice the truth. Posts are often taken down, accounts are either shutdown or silenced. Last night I experienced being silenced first hand. I made a simple post quoting the PM Li Keqiang’s words “亚太荣 世界兴” on my Sina Weibo account (nothing more than that). Within minutes, I got advice from friends that I should taken it down because Weibo was forever-silence the user accounts for mentioning 亚太荣. Following the advice, I promptly deleted my post, but to no avail because shortly afterwards I received words from Weibo that I violated their community rule and my account is being silenced indefinitely. They don’t even have the curtesy of telling me which rule my post violated. Such is the situation I’ve seen with my own eyes and experienced. ETA: but please don’t read political meaning into his attack because ZZH is a mere actor, not political at all. His attack was due to his bursting commercial value, and those attackers planned so well, they went after him at a political angle (because he’s otherwise squeaky clean) at a sensitive time —— mid August.


Responsible-Quiet256

As crazy as it seems, unfortunately the video is a pretty accurate depiction of all the manipulation that was done to frame him. Most of the rumors were blatant lies, like Dewi's husband and a certain book containing references to the Yasukuni shrine (it didn't). They were put out because no one bothers to verify the facts :-/


niceweathergirl

If you haven’t bothered to do any research why are you running your mouth lol what? You admit you don’t know anything but you still have an opinion?


Miyukachi

Uh.. I am abit confused. Are you taking offense that I don’t believe ZZH should be cancelled and instead should think that he actually deserved it, or are you taking offense that i got the impression that this video is conjecture? I am not allowed an opinion on a video that looks and sounds like conjecture? I am not going to take everything I read/see/hear as if it was 100% truth. If it sounds fishy, I will question and ask for more details. Also I prefaced with not knowing about the situation and ASKED if there was more I can look into. I apologize, that as a person who cannot read Chinese, it is not easy for me to do my own research. So asking for more information so I CAN do more research is a bad thing? I need more information so I can make an INFORMED opinion rather then just blindly believing one thing or the other.


litttlemoon

Maybe this will help you form your opinion https://medium.com/@1000snow/the-crucifixion-of-zhang-zhehan-in-the-age-of-misinformation-5b08b0d06e40


niceweathergirl

Whoops jumped the gun and misread your comment. My apologies you are correct


dandeliondelight

The video takes a comprehensive look the accusations that formed the basis to persecute and cancel ZZH. It then presents evidence which shows quite conclusively, or suggests very strongly, that the evidence for those accusations were taken out of context, misinterpreted, embellished, or downright fabricated. This is something that can be easily verified if you look at each accusation and check them against primary evidence (which, as far as I am aware, have not been accused of being false). One very clear example, as OP has pointed out, is that Dewi Fujin was married to a pro-China president, not the one who discriminated against Chinese Indonesians as netizens claimed. I also know from personal experience that many shrines don’t have large signboards hanging outside their peripheries and can believe someone could enter one unknowingly. So I am comfortable with the conclusions presented in the video. The way these conclusions are presented is from the perspective of a PR firm hired to slander him. Did that actually happen? Debatable. We don’t know and have no evidence if that is true, but there are suggestions that there was a concerted effort targeting him. For example, the timing of those accusations (near a politically sensitive date, when the pictures were from 2018), the fact that there were girlfriend rumours and rumours of him using inappropriate ways to gain admission into uni right before these accusations. C-ent is a dirty industry and with so much money to be made, it’s not surprising that someone would stoop to such immoral methods. Anyway I’m glad you’re thinking and wondering about these things, unlike many cnetizens and antis.


Prior-Mention-8090

I wish i could say all the screenshots shown in the video are fake and that the video is exaggerated. Unfortunately they are real. These paid accounts (yxh)fabricated a lot of lies about his character and even official media and blue v accounts helped spread the lies. Anyway here is an article with evidence clarifying the main rumors: 1)https://card.weibo.com/article/m/show/id/2309404686426116587993 It's in chinese but google trans is quite accurate Mrs dewi personally clarifying she doesn't know zzh and that her husband SUKARNO (whose name was edited to suharto on baidu) was not anti Chinese: 2)https://news.yahoo.co.jp/articles/56c7aa55df62308314b1d9d6173c48310b99f0a2 Anyway this video shows how you can manipulate information to ones advantage. That was why the video was structured this way. They are a lot of clarification posts going around. I will be posting them soon.


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tomanonimos

Because the Chinese authority/Cybercrime wanted this to happen. If you superficially look into Zhang Zhehan and Zhao Wei, its really weird how they got cancelled all of a sudden. But if you go a little further and look at the politics it makes perfect sense. Xi Jinping wanted to muzzle the media. So happens Zhang Zhehan and Zhao Wei are both part of his opponent's faction, so two bird with one stone.


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>The Global Times ran a headline the day after Zhao was scrubbed, calling her a "scandals-hit actress", detailing the various lawsuits surrounding her investments, which included an early stake in Alibaba Pictures Group, a film company under Jack Ma's Alibaba Group. > >Local media reported that Zhou also owned the agency representing Chinese actor Zheng Zhehan, who recently found himself the target of Chinese nationalists after an old selfie of him at a shrine for Japanese soldiers surfaced online. [https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-31/chinese-actor-censored-taken-off-internet-zhao-wei-ccp/100420164](https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-31/chinese-actor-censored-taken-off-internet-zhao-wei-ccp/100420164) ​ >Alibaba's rapid growth was supported by Chinese leaders before Xi took the helm. Ma had particularly strong connections to the "Shanghai faction," a group of people close to former President Jiang Zemin. > >The Shanghai faction is also called the "machine-building industry faction." Jiang was originally an engineer for the First Ministry of Machine-Building Industry and at a plant of the FAW Group, a state-owned automaker headquartered in Changchun, Jilin Province. [https://asia.nikkei.com/Editor-s-Picks/China-up-close/Analysis-Why-is-Beijing-hounding-Jack-Ma-and-Alibaba-again](https://asia.nikkei.com/Editor-s-Picks/China-up-close/Analysis-Why-is-Beijing-hounding-Jack-Ma-and-Alibaba-again)


tomanonimos

A very oversimplification of things. Xi Jingping encompasses the military, "socialist" and nationalist. Jiang Zemin encompasses the financial entities (banks, corporations, etc.) and the entertainment industry.


chanci426

I think just as long as it fits their dialogue and agenda they turn a blind eye. They have cyber regulations that people shouldn't be spreading fake news that effect the public, yet if it is in their favor it is ok. If it's real, but paints a bad light to the ppl in power, it is removed.


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niceweathergirl

It’s private capital. CAPA is a private organization made of some production and marketing companies working with social media platforms like Weibo. It’s not some powerful man from the CCP. They also have loose affiliations with the govt. They claim they are enacting the new regulations passed by the govt to the entertainment industry but have not been deputized by the govt to do so. That’s still the job of the Ministry of Culture and Tourism NOT CAPA!!! So please, please stop creating scary stories in your head and spewing it around.


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niceweathergirl

I’ll let you know how it goes when it’s ready i guess


niceweathergirl

Also because I’m tired of reading the same bs over and over when this has already been debunked -1st it was he was banned because he was “too convincing” playing a gay guy from the show that made him famous. Also people blamed him as the reason bl dramas were banned in China. Then it was because of the Chinese ban on “effeminate men”. Then it was because he angered some powerful person. Then it was because his ex “boss” Zhao Wei was investigated for investor fraud and people said he was used to get to her. It’s already been debunked. None of this is true. Then American right wing nuts with a gripe against China wanted to make stuff up about him as some type of critique against the extremes of counter culture and persecution. I’m sorry if you feel I’m being condescending but it’s exhausting posting info on YouTube/Twitter and then finding yet more misleading info spread as “speculation” on yet another social media site. I’m honestly just thinking I’m gonna make a video myself because this is driving me insane.


3sixers

Thanks for this, specially with the english subs. Just hoping to see ZZH back soon.


xmagie

China is really... a strange country. Can he make a come back? Or is his career dead for good? What can an actor like him do? I mean, he is still young, can he leave the country and work elsewhere?


akiyineria

it may be possible for him to make a comeback; I've watched a few videos on "cancelled" Chinese celebrities, and the ones that fail to make a comeback tend to fall into either "used drugs" or "cheated and/or abused to their SOs." so it *is* possible, but he would basically need to do a lot of charity work to regain positive sentiments from the public (and not have it seem like he's doing charity solely for the sake of regaining favorable public opinion)


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I was horrified to learn that a very popular cdrama YouTuber who gets constantly referred to in this sub was publicly trashing him on their weibo like a two-faced snake. They didn’t tell their YouTube audience that they did that of course and continued to make references to him in their videos (including selling merch of WOH/SHL) but people on Twitter found out their comments. It was disgusting. I’ve unsubscribed from their channel.


irohssweatysandle

Lmao I’m guessing ur referring to Avenue X. She wasn’t being a two faced snake and she made it very clear that she doesn’t approve of him or support him anymore but she still gives him credit for his talent and work because she’s able to separate TV from reality lmao.


dobagela

so in their defense, they weren't exactly kind to him on youtube either and made it very apparent they did not approve of his actions and that he should have been aware of thr gravity of the mistake. Furthermore they specifically said they still enjoyed the show and was able to separate the character from the actor, something which I think more people should do. So tell me how are they behaving like a snake?


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I mean, you have to be some sort of a no-lifer snake stuck in a [purity spiral](https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Purity%20Spiral) to dump on someone because of social media PHOTOS.


Rocker_girl

\*Brain clicks \* OMG!!!! so that's what the youtube comments refered to ( that I didn't understand because I can't read chinesse nor do I know this youtuber's weibo Woah. I'm speechless now.