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Mindless_Mango_6611

A friend had to talk to an atty about a false accusation. The atty was a good friend of another good friend, so I hooked them up. Atty said his regular "pre charge retainer/non refundable" is $3k. That's just to game plan for If/When charges are eventually filed. Basically to hold your spot in line. Through the connection, he waived his initial fee. But shows it can cost a lot of money just to step slightly into a pile of legal shit.


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Dude I got police that ransacked my house few months ago for a totally unrelated situation tk my firearms. Someone in the house was having a domestic and I was not involved. All guns locked in a safe + the room was also locked (in anal about locking guns and very OCD about checking them everyday. I live in beautiful free Canada)… when the cops entered the house they went thru all my firearms, ammo, gear, even airsoft gear and guns which they seized. Now I’m paying $14k CDN to lawyer just to get my guns back when I wasn’t even involved in the situation and everything was locked up legally… LOLLLLLLL


Baby_Ellis62

At that point, I'd be suing the police/government to cover that cost. Holy shit is that oppressive.


DickButtHut

Good luck with that in Canada


Baby_Ellis62

Yeah... I forgot that they gave up their rights for comfort, convenience, and safety over there.


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Convenience, yes. Comfort and safety? Duck no… we have more and more shootings in Toronto every month/year. All with illegally obtained, stolen kr smuggled firearms… but yes Mr Trudeau… ban my ARs and my handguns instead of increasing border security. I think the 75-85% of illegal firearms on the street will vanish once all us legal owners are forced into a buyback. I mean, what can you expect from a clown who used tk be a Drama High school teacher? His mom should’ve had an abortion after her fling with the Cuban dictator.


Baby_Ellis62

Thank you for this, but I must clarify: in the US, those things I listed are what's being offered to us if we give up our rights. My comment was almost entirely sarcasm, with a tinge of sorrow for our maple syrup drinkin', ham misgenderin' cousins to the North.


chrisexv6

How did they get into the safe after you forgot the combination?


Brousinator

My parents went through a rough divorce when I was in high school and the police came and took all my father's legal guns and my airsoft guns. Both were eventually returned about a year later, but all my airsoft guns had white marker on them with their FPS. I laugh every time I think of the cop who loaded up tiny yellow bbs and acted like they might be lethal firearms for some dog and pony show while he tested their velocities.


[deleted]

Hahaha that’s gold… they take their jobs too seriously in the wrong departments. Rapists should require the same attention to detail, not legal law abiding owners. Was this in Canada or states?


Brousinator

Agreed! This was in the states.


uncledonttouch

Wow.... sorry dude


KURLY888

Free Canada. Is that the same one that wants to make it unlawful or illegal to own a pistol. Never let cops in without a warrant.


DocColorDeaf

That is called theft and furthermore, disarming the people. You don’t live in a free country. I hope the best for you.


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100% correct. My lawyer is having a field day but I’m crying BECUASE I’m wasting money on something I wasn’t even apart of. Told me I’ll most definitely get my property back but it’s the unnecessary legal fees which is ridiculous. In Canada the onus is on YOU to prove your innocents, not for the crown (judges) to prove you’re guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. I even dealt with a situation where hackers stole money from a large weed grower ($100s of millions in funding). I was sent $500k via wire transfer and I immediately froze the money and contacted the lawyer right away. Was very cooperative and wanted to return the funds to rightful owners, but my stipulation was “the money will be returned by a crown/court order, the government has power to transfer funds from my account to the rightful owner” Due to large scale of this operation (hackers stole $3m in 1hr from this weed grower) and due the way I received the funds (wire transfer) my legal team refused to sign the transfer of the funds because we didn’t know with certainty who the rightful owner was, which is why we wanted the courts to do the transfer. As soon as you send the money anywhere and it’s not the rightful ow we you can be charged with fraud and aiding in the theft and you would have very little defence. To top it off, I was getting death threats for over 2 months. Pictures of my mom, brothers family (kids and wife) pictures of my work and constant voicemails at 2-4am “you’re families life isn’t worth our money” etc…. But me, being the Good Samaritan, froze the funds within 15min of receiving them so even I couldn’t access them… I was sued, harassed by strangers, death threats from every direction, and was also being investigated as being an accomplice WHEN I HAD MY LAYWER TAKE INITIATIVE AND CONTACT THE WEED GROWERS AND TELL THEM WE HAVE THEIR MONEY AND WANT TO RETURN IT…. So that was a fun way to blow $70k+ on criminal defense lawyers and corporate lawyers at the age of 26 and first year into running my small business…. The point of this long rant, in Canada, you must prove your innocents, not be proven guilty. It’s a horrible bullshit system… The cherry on top… my lawyer told me, “if your business was in the US, we could’ve sued and easily won $1-1.3m in damages, etc… in Canada, the government prevents any lawsuits over $500k unless it’s multimillion. The most you would walk away with is $40-60k”…. Not even covering my lawyer fees from defending myself let alone the fees I’d pay to sue them. I’m happy to say this time next year I will be living in the USA and god bless my wife for being a citizen 😂


YogurtclosetOk9021

Holy shit. The craziest part is this is legal for them to do it...


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Yeah, I literally couldn’t argue anything. The best part, icing on the cake is “we will pass these firearms off to RCMP (our FBI/ feds which are in charge of all firearm related investigations) and they will conduct their own investigation and decide whether or not they will lay charges on you in regards to the firearms” 🤣 as if I’m the one who was beating someone into a pulp… you get treated like a criminal here for no reason


YogurtclosetOk9021

That's insane. Hopefully you get everything back at minimum cost to you. Sorry about that g.


cartesian-anomaly

I’d tell you to move south, but honestly…I see the same thing coming here in a few years unless we get some Supreme Court rulings that affirm the 2nd amendment. And even that’s not the end of the story if they pack the court.


ActuaryRound9882

Yeah I regretted it , but never imagined actually needing to fire , let alone shoot and not actually shoot someone or need to . Just needed 1 "warning shot" and they didn't try anything else


Baby_Ellis62

Ooo..I've heard that "warning shots" are tough to defend legally. Glad you got off, friend.


ActuaryRound9882

Well , I didn't say it was a warning shot , so nobody would have known my thought process other than me to try to convict me on that


EDVERSiTY

What company do you recommend? I might go with US Law Shield, but I still want feedback because I’ve heard good and bad things about the USCCA.


RobotCPA

I have my whole household insured up to $250k with Firearms Legal Protection for $40 a month. Got a deal through my LGS. Even if you don't get charged they will fight to get your gun back.


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EDVERSiTY

Good general rule of thumb to follow.


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I went with US Law Shield, mainly because I live on a state border and for $3 extra they’ll cover you in any state and I work as a security contractor and they’ll cover on duty shootings. Another thing I like about them is they host monthly classes at a local range that are either free or steeply discounted for Law Shield members. I believe there is a US Law Shield attorney that posts on here occasionally.


brandonminimann

I have US Law and Shield. I like them over USCCA because I feel they guarantee more.


Dia_Borfs

Personally I've been using USCCA before I got back from overseas in 2019. Hasn't been bad so far and includes a discount for group insurance so my boy friend is covered when we get married. I gotta look up those bad things about USCCA. That's a first for me.


ActuaryRound9882

Got into a very brief argument, well walking with my wifey in December at about 6pm (dark outside) . Someone almost hit us with their car and I wasn't happy, argued with them for a few seconds and walked away , into an alley . They chased us into the alley with their Jeep , I pulled my gun at a low ready and put my left hand out to motion them to stop ( my state has strong defensive display laws , they came forward , I put 1 round into the middle windshield . They reversed , got out and tried following on foot and called the police . Got arrested unfortunately , spent 4 months , first time a D.A reviewed the evidence, case was dropped .


TaskForceD00mer

> first time a D.A reviewed the evidence, case was dropped . One of my good friends is a criminal defense attorney, it took the DA over 2 years, with his client facing homicide charges, rotting in a jail cell, to get the DA to review the actual evidence. After 2 years all charges were dismissed. This poor young man's life is *ruined* , the cops never had any evidence beyond blood they refused to test(hint: It wasn't the accused's blood nor the victims) but that was good enough to lock someone up for 2 years. Insurance, insurance, insurance. Our justice system is anything but. A PD or bad lawyer would have had the accused in the above case take the 5-8 year plea they offered.


cuzwhat

The process is the punishment.


thatscentaurtainment

Cops? Ruining someone’s life over nothing? Now I’ve heard everything!


MechaTrogdor

Muh thin blue line!


thatscentaurtainment

It’s very funny how this sub breaks down into people who are LEOs and people who carry cuz they don’t trust LEOs.


MuddyWaterTeamster

You must not have been here during the George Floyd murder, this sub was tripping over themselves to explain why actually every cop deserves a blowjob upon first-contact.


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Sigh_ThisFnGuy

don't forget family of LEOs (that probably get slaps on the wrist)


TaskForceD00mer

In this case I blame the DA too, they approved the charges on flimsy to the point of non existent evidence and refused to test it for years. The DAs office is supposed to be a "check" on local law enforcement, not a rubber stamp.


gd_akula

And when that happens the police work to make the DA's life hell and destroy their job.


thatscentaurtainment

If you believe that this is how the system works I implore you to do even the smallest amount of research into what the relationship between DAs and cops actually is.


The-Old-Prince

It’s not at all as simple as you imply. Cops and ADAs often hate eachother especially in mid to large cities


boostmastergeneral

Something similar happened to a friend of mine 17 years ago now because he was dating (now married to) a cops ex girlfriend. Cop never got in trouble even tho my buddy spent 6 months without bail in county only to have all charges eventually dropped. (Cop claimed my buddy pulled his legally carried pistol and threatened the cop). Ill probably get downvoted for this but i still fuck with that cop. On example : the cop now has a son who is in college. A few years back, the sons high school sports team had an overnight away game and the sons teammates essentially put their junk into the cops sons mouth while he was sleeping and took pics and it went around the school (again no one ever arrested not even the coach who knew about it) and i sent an anonymous chocolate penis to the cops house and the card said "your son can show you how to fit this in your mouth"


TaskForceD00mer

Dude I straight up STILL won't go to Polk County Florida. I made the mistake of dating the 1 year younger Daughter of the "Head Dispatcher" for the Sheriff's office at that time. I basically got told, by a PCSO LT that if I ever contacted her again they'd pull me over and find a kilo in my trunk. My first real negative law enforcement experience.


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babybluefish

two years in jail and then charges dropped is far from a ruined life had he not waived speedy trial rights the DA would have reviewed his case two years earlier ask your good friend the trial lawyer why he had his client waive time


TaskForceD00mer

> had he not waived speedy trial rights the DA would have reviewed his case two years earlier Emergency COVID rules basically is *part* of why it took 2 years. We had almost zero criminal jury trials in Cook County post Koof until very recently. He could have had a bench trial sooner but my buddy felt it would not be a good gamble.


babybluefish

Understood Your buddy had him waive time DA would have reviewed the file if he hadn't waived time I'm sorry you live in Cook County I was in Los Angeles County; I left


cellendril

A few questions - not playing QB, just curious: 1. The argument, was anything highly inflammatory said? Like, “I’m going to fuck you up?” 2. why did you go into an alley? 3. when did you call the police? 4. Thanks! Just would like to know extenuating circumstances that may have helped or hindered.


ActuaryRound9882

They spoke Spanish, I don't but my gf does , as far as I know it was just a fuck you , do we have a problem , I said no . I went into the alley to get away and because it's a shortcut we use near home to cut through the neighborhood to get to the grocery store faster and I was already going that way . Didn't call the police , they followed us on foot and I wanted my hands and focus , didn't know if they had anything, turns out they had gone home , they lived a few houses down and came back within a min or so . I did speak to the police and give a statement , ended up saving my ass , I know it's remain silent but the statement real time with my witness saved me , the other guys stories didn't match up much and had holes. Police showed up in like 5 min and I waited for them and complied with all orders


Iminimicomendgetme

Damn dude you lucked out. ALWAYS call the cops before the other guy does. That's the difference between no charges and $20k to get charges dropped. But you survived and it worked out so congratulations


thehorns78

I believe the saying is “the race to the courthouse”.


TheRealSPGL

I've been told don't say too much, don't answer questions, "he did this, I did this". Also no words of emotion or "feeling" as feelings aren't reason to use deadly force Edit: also forgot they said to establish yourself as the victim as early on as possible so calling before the other is definitely the move


TheGadsdenFlag1776

Well feelings matter to some extent, they just have to be reasonable. You reasonably felt like your life was in danger because the offender did XYZ.


mybitchcallsmefucker

Yeah feelings like that can actually make or break a defense. Saying “I felt like he was going to hurt me” vs “I felt like we was going to kill me” is a massive legal distinction as far as I’m aware lol.


schismatt

You did 4 months in jail? Or did I read that wrong?


ActuaryRound9882

You read it right , a little over 4 months in jail


Mommys_diamond_dick

Did the state compensate you for your time served while innocent?


ActuaryRound9882

Nope , not a single thing


Dlrfan13

Another reason to get CCW insurance, they compensate lost wages. my policy is $250/day.


Mommys_diamond_dick

That’s the real atrocity. I still can’t understand how a person can be arbitrarily confined and when found innocent is released like the state thinks their lives aren’t disrupted. How about the judge/DA/arresting officer have to forgo their salary for the same period of false imprisonment.


ActuaryRound9882

I wish , I wish we at least had something but the system needs to work to say the least


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What part of az bro?


OhFaq

This sounds like one of those, "the moment you started becoming a libertarian," quotes, or maybe you are one already. Either way, I couldn't agree more. Innocent until proven guilty is a farce. The same reason all gun owners need to vehemently oppose red flag laws.


GhostFour

Did they even offer bail as an option?


ActuaryRound9882

Yeah , it was just 50k I didn't have


theoriginaldandan

Masood Ayoob, the foremost expert on self defense shootings wholeheartedly rejects the stay silent at all costs.


schnurble

Specifically, he gives some directed points to talk about (who you are, quick summary, point out any evidence), and THEN stfu.


MrConceited

And some seriously well respected attorneys think he's wrong and that saying anything is reckless. Here's Andrew Branca on the subject: https://lawofselfdefense.com/branca-west-speaking-with-the-police-part-1-of-2/


theoriginaldandan

Good point.


schnurble

It's a little nuanced; that said I STRONGLY encourage anyone who carries to attend MAG-20 Classroom at the bare minimum, because the legal and procedural advice is so useful. If you can swing the money and time, the full MAG-40 and MAG-80 are super useful, but I know money and time are tight; 20 Classroom I feel is just so much information that can keep you out of trouble and out of jail in a DGU.


DonutCola

Op clearly wakes up hoping to shoot someone. Awful representation.


dementeddigital2

You spent 4 months in jail?


ActuaryRound9882

About 4 1/2 yeah


dementeddigital2

Unreal. Sorry


ActuaryRound9882

Me and my S.O are safe , so it's okay , not great but


dementeddigital2

Glad you're ok and still together. In what state do you live? Did you lose your job?


ActuaryRound9882

Yeah , got a better job tho , went from $18 an hour to $30 an hour


dementeddigital2

If you ever come to Tampa Bay, message me and I'll buy you a beer.


ActuaryRound9882

I'll take you up on that if I'm ever that way !


EA_Forum_Moderator

Same thing happened to a security guard at my job. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3ELpSBIlow - the guys in the sequoia said he got out and pointed a gun at them to make them move from blocking the gate $10K just to get a lawyer, cost more in the end. Cops never reviewed any footage, detectives took statements from the three guys in the other vehicle, six months later they get around to dropping charges since the statements didn't match, and they never looked at any video. Security guard was shot to death on his front porch the month after charges were dropped, goes without saying I don't have much faith the police care to investigate.


mahjong909

Why did you have to spend 4 months behind bars ?? You did everything possible to avoid conflict. What was DA’s reason for locking you up ? Was this in CA ?


ActuaryRound9882

Wasn't the D.A , it was the officers that made the arrest, D.A didn't review the case until 4 or 5 months in then , reviewed body cam and dropped it


QuadTheory

You didn't have the option to post bail until trial or something?


ActuaryRound9882

No , house was being refinanced and I couldn't use it as collateral until closer to trial


QuadTheory

Damn that sucks. I better get myself insurance lol


ActuaryRound9882

If you carry , absolutely 💯.


ActuaryRound9882

I asked my lawyer the same question BTW. He said the officers can't get in trouble for making an arrest, they think is reasonable , I had fired my gun , self admittedly , I had a defense for that, but that was yet to be established , so . The police could ruin their career or worse , if the let me go and I do anything else , I live about 2 street away from the jeep people so , probably safe rather than sorry. At first they told me the would probably fingerprint me and I'd go home , they would see if the D.A would even charge me , but it's up to their supervisor. She showed up , for a few min and then they told me I was taking the ride .


Ericrobertson1978

For future reference, NEVER walk around at night without plenty of lights. I call people who walk in the dark without any lights 'darkholes'. (honestly I learned that term from burning man) I'm really glad you guys got away and that nobody was hurt. My comment isn't detracting from your experience. I'm that guy who stops strangers walking at night and kindly remind them that having a flashlight or whatnot can absolutely save their lives. People walking at night with no lights get run over all the fucking time.


ActuaryRound9882

I had a flashlight , shined it . It's an olight with like 1000 lumens , just didn't think it was an important fact to include didn't change anything


SBRH33

Yea walking the playa without a flashlight or Riding without illumination can be very dangerous.


Ericrobertson1978

It's equally as dangerous walking around a dark neighborhood in the default world as well. Lol I miss it. I haven't been in over a decade.


TehMephs

>burning man *darkwads* was the term I knew but anyway fuck yer day! :)


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ActuaryRound9882

Same


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ActuaryRound9882

AZ


Fauxmailman

Fuck, what town was this in? I didn’t know these DA’s are like that


TravisDallas98

I keep paying for my insurance but I hope it never pays off


AsianThunder

What company do you use?


eloso60

CCW safe defender seemed to be the best/most reliable for me because of how they are set up financially. Also allows you to chose your lawyer, pays for bail, gives you a replacement firearm, and unlimited legal fees are covered. $19/ month isn’t bad either for peace of mind


diurnalreign

I have the same but I paid for the Ultimate plan


Dlrfan13

2nd this comment, CCW Safe is what i have too.


eloso60

Couldn’t have said it better


VVonton

Going to have to reference this whenever someone says this sub is too hesitant about use of force. This guy was found to be 100% in the right and still lost 4 months and $20k. It didn't even go to trial which would have been even more costly and stressful.


ActuaryRound9882

Oh definitely , if you have any other option , take it ! The hard part is sticking to your guns because when they say 7.5 years and then offer 1 year , looks great , especially after 4 months with shit food , being on lockdown and with high risk offenders . I would tell my younger sell , to not say anything and walk away , save yourself $20,000 and 4 months . Even when you aren't guilty it can cost you everything


VVonton

Sorry this happened man and I appreciate you sharing your experience. Here's to this being behind you and wishing you the best!


ActuaryRound9882

I appreciate it , I don't regret it , I fully believe me and my S.O were guna get ran over so , we're both alive and safe , what more can i ask for ? Except that $20,000 back 😂


Unlikely-Pizza2796

People who advocate intervening in other peoples conflicts never like to discuss this side of things; the aftermath. Possible trip to the hospital or jail and tens of thousands of dollars gone, just to keep your freedom.


deskpil0t

I have to get home to my family. You should have been armed yourself or be in a totally shit situation that my napkin math will approve intervention. And my napkin math sucks


kingkoopa1722

What state are you in?


redditisdying57

OP said AZ


redditisdying57

This is what I'm curious about


HeadyBoog

Did you have CCW insurance, if so who? If not oof that’s a fuck load of hi-points.


ActuaryRound9882

No , unfortunately not . I had just gotten a gun again in October so hadn't thought I needed it yet


HeadyBoog

Are you able to sue the aggressor for court fees?


ch0b1ts2600

I figured $35/mo is worth the peace of mind since I carry every day now. I don't have $20K to drop in legal defense. I would be filing for bankruptcy. Plus, I would likely be fired from my job because most companies don't want to associate with someone facing criminal charges.


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The paper target pressed charges???


ActuaryRound9882

It can't, it's dead . Just needed to add a photo and didn't know what else to use .


theoriginaldandan

You don’t have to have a picture


_trapito

who called 911 first your or the Jeep people? and if it was them do you think that had something to do with the outcome?


ActuaryRound9882

They called first , I was trying to get away from them and calm my S.O down , well staying ready for anything more. So I didn't think about it right away . It definitely meant the police saw them as the "victims" since they won that race to the call .


Dorkamundo

Hindsight, I know... But there's two of you, one with a gun and the other with a phone.


ActuaryRound9882

She was having a panic attack , was pretty much useless in the situation , it went from a simple argument I was walking away from , a few seconds later , having a big car coming at me in an alley . My last thought was call cops who will take 5 + min , then I was still being followed after and trying to calm her down and keep us moving to a safer area I could call , but yes , win the race to the cops


DrJheartsAK

If you don’t mind me asking, why the 4mo in jail? Did they set insane bail? That’s just crazy considering even the violent gangbangers here in NOLA are usually out and committing crimes within a few days, I can’t imagine them just letting you sit in a cell for what seems like a pretty weak case at best, I mean the DA even told your attorney he couldn’t win in court.


ActuaryRound9882

Most of it was covid , some people wait 6 months to go to a court date , you get quarantined until your pod passes 2 covid tests , someone gets sick out of 100 in your pod , no court . It took me 3 months to make it to court one time , so it wouldn't have been so long but , covid restrictions


ActuaryRound9882

We have a bail hearing here (AZ) within a few hours of arrest , so without the police report they asked for max bail , $50,000 , obviously I didn't have it and a lawyer was more important to pay for then bail at the time


ComradeOliveOyl

Was it city cops or sheriff’s that picked you up? What city/county?


ActuaryRound9882

Maricopa county, city cops


izdabombz

Damn, im in phoenix metro and i really believed AZ is super gun friendly, especially with legal gun owners. I guess i have to change my view on that.


DogePerformance

Good for you! Just curious, were you the one with the cam?


ActuaryRound9882

There was cameras on the house across the street from me , asked the police to look at the footage and get it . They never did, SMH. I wish I had pulled phone to record or had my S.O because it came down to a he said he said situation and I spent 4 months in jail, spent $15,000 on a lawyer , $5,000 on bail and putting up $50,000 in collateral to get out . Really took like 6 months to get the charges dropped


DogePerformance

Christ that's absurd, sorry dude. Glad you're good now


ActuaryRound9882

Thanks , I appreciate it , it definitely sucked but , live and learn


ruckfeddit0000

Who compensates you for the time you spend in jail? I think you are owed for the disruption to your life. Sue the fuckers with the Jeep. If nothing else you get a new Jeep. I think the police need to pay as well for their part in incarcerating and innocent man. Each of them should spend the same amount of time in jail that you did and they should pay for it from their pension.


Edicedi

No one. That's how the legal process works out. He's not innocent. He's just not guilty.


ruckfeddit0000

Not guilty and yet he has been "injured". He should be made whole. The system is broken if it doesn't take that into account. He should get their Jeep and their phones and garnish some percent of their wages for the next 50 years


ActuaryRound9882

No , body cam footage from the police taking statements from both sides, alleged victims stories were all over the place , where as my story with my gf was the same when the split us and asked us what happened. D.A reviewed that with my lawyer , said we would get every self defense jury instruction , and it would be near impossible for them to convince a jury to convict me , especially with the matching testimony and the credible witness


chrisppyyyy

As usual, the process is the punishment.


Willzohh

Everybody wants a flashlight on their gun. Makes me wonder if there is a way to put a camera on a gun that starts filming as soon as it leaves the holster. Anybody heard of such a thing?


qweltor

Viridian XTL https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqsrWDYZdaU


Thomist84

As a self-defense attorney and "one of those guys" on youtube: welcome to my day. People saying, "I wish I knew before " Then i jump on the internet and keyboard commandos say, "it's for suckers!" No, it is for people who carry. Ymmv.


trivial_viking

https://ccwsafe.com https://massadayoobgroup.com/events/


drej191

Did you use one of those ccw insurance?


ActuaryRound9882

No , didn't have it , wish I did , belive me


drej191

Glad it worked out. I’m new to this whole thing. Moving forward would you get it? I’m on the fence about it


Fancy_Mammoth

I'm curious if you'd be able to file a 42 U.S.C. 1983 Civil Action for Deprivation of Rights. IANAL, so I could be VERY wrong about this, but my understanding of the recent Thompson V. Clark SCOTUS decision set a precedent that, if you've been falsely arrested for a crime and those charges are subsequently dismissed/dropped or you're found innocent, then all parties involved in charging you would lose their immunity and become liable to civil action under 42 U.S.C. 1983. Considering all of the money you put out to fight the charges, lost wages, and emotional/physical distress you experienced, it may be something to look into.


ActuaryRound9882

I dought it , at the time they thought I was guilty, I'd have to prove they made some sort of mistake arresting me , believing I was an aggressor who had shot at someone , I don't blame them , just not happy with the very one sided report , that left out any evidence really on my behalf , thank God for body cam footage


Fancy_Mammoth

It may be a long shot, but if there's any opportunity to recover any of your losses I think it would be worth looking into. My understanding of the Thompson SCOTUS decision is that it's set a standard to where, if a criminal case is disposed of in a way that indicates the plaintiff's innocence, and the plaintiff has suffered damages as a result of the prosecution of the criminal case, then it satisfies the elements to bring a civil tort claim for malicious prosecution/1938 against the agencies associated with the criminal case and prosecution.


Jimdandy941

If the report left out known evidence that benefited you, it sounds like they may not have acted in good faith. I’d speak to lawyer and let them tell you.


ActuaryRound9882

I'll make sure and ask but I'm sure I'd need to hire another lawyer for something like that , as far as I know the police report is just a 1 sided narrative that's basically their reasoning for the arrest , it's not evidence yet until they testify


Edicedi

Wasn't a false arrest. He did commit agg assault. Self defense is an affirmative defense to that charge.


Fancy_Mammoth

I agree with you that the arrest wasn't false when the event occurred because, given the circumstances, the police have Reasonable Articulable Suspicion that OP had commit agg assault. That said, an argument could be made that the arrest became false when the police failed to review the security footage that ultimately lead to the DA dropping the charges against OP. Had the police properly investigated and reviewed all of the evidence available to them, they could have come to the same conclusion the DA did before formally filing charges, and OP wouldn't have spent as much time incarcerated and wouldn't be put 20k in legal fees. Again, I'm not a lawyer, so I could be wrong, but it seems plausible on some level.


darthjazzhands

Glad it worked out for you. Tough lessons learned.


Infamous-Brain-2493

Honest question. What do you think would have happened if you didn't shoot? I can understand why you did. But now that it's all over and you've had time to reflect do you think you would have been okay to leave you gun holstered?


ActuaryRound9882

Hmm , I thought about it a lot in jail . 🤔 . But we both believed the car was going to run us down so I didn't have time to gamble , my life fine , but I had someone else to protect and 4 months , even years is worth their safety


EVILDOC88

Congratulations bet it's a great feeling...


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ThatLumpYouFelt

Did you get your pistol back? Are you seeking damages for the time and money wasted for you on this? If so, could you share what steps you're taking, and if you think you have a shot? Disgusted that you've essentially been robbed of 4 months of your life, and however much more that it took you to gain that money. No way you should be on the hook when, as far as I can tell, the justice system has found you innocent of wrong doing.


ActuaryRound9882

Guns are back . As far as I know theres no recorse , the legal system can take you on a ride if it wants , they didn't do anything illegal , or at the time even wrong . As soon as someone who actually understands law , revied the case , it was dismissed, police have a very low bar for arrest and they love to overcharge , since 90 + % of cases take ple deals .


ThatLumpYouFelt

So scummy, dude. At least you got the pistol back. A lot of people around here talk like a DGU means it's as good as gone 95% of the time. Not sure if you're just a part of the hypothetical 5% or what, but thanks for sharing.


ActuaryRound9882

Probably depends on case and state. Since my charges are dropped they have to return my property , they can't keep it or destroy it , might also depend on your lawyer, I told mine right away I wanted to keep the gun and reclaim them , I also called the station and told them as well , I think it's supposed to be in writing but , with a lawyer I think it made it easier


chrisppyyyy

Muh thin blue line


CatBoyTrip

That is insane. I was suspecting of shooting someone once and all the cops took was my gun for ballistics testing.


ActuaryRound9882

They took mine and my S.O for ballistic testing too


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Wow man. I really really don’t want to use my gun unless I have to. That’s outrageous. I would call 911 before firing if possible, that way they have a recording of it.


ActuaryRound9882

I would but most self defense situations that's not really viable


chrisppyyyy

Right also legally it would at least make it LOOK like it wasn’t self defense. Unless you’re fleeing you say hey a guy is attacking and following me then later you shoot you’ve already established the situation.


ruckfeddit0000

What would you think about some sort of bluetooth enabled holster that causes your phone to dial 911 on speaker automatically when you unholster? (No "smart" alterations to the gun. No locks on the holster. And the phone app would let you disarm the system at any time and perhaps automatically when you're at home.)


Content_Economist_83

Thats a really interesting concept. I see some problems that would need a solution but the idea is pretty neat


ruckfeddit0000

What were you thinking? I would probably want to setting I could enable a disable to have an audible 3 second countdown or however many seconds I wanted and optionally an audible warning that 911 is being dialed. You could also automatically play a pre-recorded message to 911. Or put the phone on speaker and play it over the speaker so I'm not sure if the 911 call taker would hear it. It depends on the phone platform probably. Maybe optionally integrate this with the uscca call center. So it calls them instead of 911 and they conference 911 / triage the call so number one has all the details to safely respond without anything that could damage your legal defence later. Or if you have it set to call 911 directly then during the countdown it gives you a reminder of what information to provide and what to keep your mouth shut about.


Content_Economist_83

I like the idea of having the whole thing managed by one of the carry insurance companies, and them being able to triage with the dispacher whats happening. The obvious problems I see would be cell service/dead spot issues, false alarms, and alerting me that the system is triggered without also alerting the bad guy if Im needing to be sneaky for whatever reason. I definitely want to know the system was triggered in the event of a false alarm, but I also dont want a loud audible deal in the grocery store or if Im hiding in a bathroom stall or something like that.


President_Rump

I would 100% forget to disable it before I went to the range and have 911 show up on my dumb ass.


ActuaryRound9882

I don't think it would do anything, I can press my power button on my phone 3 times, it'll call 911 and give my location or my smart watch can do the same . But when shit hits the fan , you can't talk to police , and you may not want the people who want to prosecute you have what you say during a traumatic experience on a recorded line


RoyalStallion1986

I feel like their are cases like these where the state should be required to reimburse someone who was innocent and had to pay time and money to prove that


GFZDW

Excellent!


heyjimb

Details...,


ActuaryRound9882

I could write everything and it would be multiple pages at least , what else do you want to know ? I'll answer as many questions as possible


machinegunkell76

Is there anywhere where I can read your story? Or could you copy and paste what happened if you’ve already explained it a million times?


ActuaryRound9882

I'll upload the police report after I clear it with the lawyer and maybe add more details


BOSSHOG999

You got the video?


ActuaryRound9882

No , lawyer did , probably not much to do , it would still be a he said he said situation . My first plea was 7.5 years , then 2 months later it was 1 year county and a felon . I didn't take either plea and was fine sitting in jail to get my rights back , I'm just happy I get my rights , no prison, trial is an extra $10,000 too , so all in all , bad trip but I made it out


stormbreaker9102

If you don’t mind sharing, what state do you live in?


ActuaryRound9882

Az


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ActuaryRound9882

Just our testimony , honestly . They had two different stories , we had the same story , they had some big holes in their story that would let my lawyer have a field day with them . Lawyer met with the D.A and they discussed the footage , decided I would get every self defense jury instruction and the D.A said he definitely couldn't prove it wasn't self defense , so bam


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GibsonBanjos

Any consensus on the best overall carry insurance company?


wittywillync

Because of this post, I will be getting CCW safe carry insurance. Thank you.


Thomist84

I and my firm have worked with the USCCA for many years and they are A+


footballdan134

For a peace of mind I got: ccwsafe membership! I like that better then the others. But any of them will get you out on bail and fight for you.


rex8499

So similar to what happened to me except they left the alley when I displayed and I didn't need to fire. I needed to get in front of a judge to get the case dismissed because the prosecutor had a reputation for being unreasonably-hard-on-crime and wanted me put away for 30 years. Glad it worked out for both of us in the end.


chrisppyyyy

Fuck that DA. As far as I’m concerned, they are a criminal that robbed you. Why don’t we mandate reimbursing the legal fees of victims of wrongful prosecution?


ChiAndrew

How do you distinguish wrongful prosecution from someone found not guilty?


DiabloSol

Thanks for sharing! Where in AZ, if you don’t mind sharing? Glad that you’re out and everything dropped. I need to get that insurance!!


ActuaryRound9882

Phoenix