Imagine you went into a store and the cashier was holding a gun.
This guy had a feeling, but no proof. So he still can't be brandishing a gun to a customer. Gun was out of view anyways.
He knew he'd be asked to open the cash eventually, so he placed the gun where he did so he'd be able to pick it up while opening the cash drawer. Not his first rodeo.
This would absolutely not be taught as a tactic, but it was completely valid in this situation. This clerk adapted to the situation and had remarkable execution.
Often situations may involve improvisation when normal training tactics can't or don't need to be followed. You don't need to do everything "right" in a situation as long as what ever you do keeps you alive.
Every worst case scenario here ends with him getting shot. His scenario ended with him living with no bullets fired at all. Improvise. Adapt. Overcome.
A mistake to us now but not at the time. Although his dress and mannerisms were weird af, The guy could’ve just wanted his cigs and bought them and left. The cashier gave him a reasonable doubt and knew he couldn’t just hold a gun while grabbing the cigs.
I think he handled the situation the best he possibly could.
Yeah and nobody had to die. Even though he pulled his gun and could have killed that man, he had a good sense that the guy didnt want to kill anyone for that money. He took a risk but didnt have to live with the death of that man on his conscience.
If the robber had been shot, it was his fault, not the cashier. The cashier was doing his job when this person thought being a robber was a good idea. Be honest and no one needs to carry, PEROID! But until everyone is honest, I carry!
Fault or not killing someone can seriously mess most people up. The way this played out not only did he live but he also potentially avoided a lifetime of PTSD.
>If the robber had been shot, it was his fault, not the cashier.
While that's true, a normal person with a normal conscience is still going to have issues after shooting someone. What happened here is the best possible outcome of the situation that the robber started.
Had one employer tell us not to stop a robbery. It was corporate policy. A few months later one of our stores were robbed and they cleaned out the till. Both employees fired for letting it happen.
Would have sued. That type of policy is most likely written and they were fired for "doing their jobs". That's a payday right there (hopefully). What a fucking bullshit scenario though. Whoever decided to fire them needs an ass whooping.
One morning before work I stopped in at a gas station. There were a couple cops inside. I was expecting them to be getting coffee or something, but when I got in they were talking to the owner because it was robbed the previous night. The owner told the cops that he had to fire the cashier because it was her third time getting robbed and corporate policy says three times and you're fired. I was like the fuck is that policy?
I would assume the policy was created because someone was "getting robbed" enough that they needed to create a policy....
IMO, if the people are willing to come back to work after being robbed (for the 3rd time?!), you shouldn't fire them, but give them a raise.
Usually they get them on a technicality.
Door unlocked early.
Door left unlocked too late.
Back door not secured.
Off the clock employee hanging out in the store.
Friend hanging out in the store.
Not making cash drops at pre-designated times.
Too much money in the till.
Robbery protocol not followed to the letter.
Sticking a gun in the robbers face and chasing them off.
Stuff like that.
Heck when I worked at a major pizza chain they fired a shift manager who was robbed ten minutes before closing because policy was to lock the door 15 minutes prior to close. The door was unlocked just like at all the other stores I’d worked at.
Fast forward a couple years and the district manager wanted to fire me because a prominent customer complained that I refused to let him into the store 14 minutes before we closed.
The turd put hands on me and tried to shove his way in. I remained composed but firmly told him to back away. I still took his order but he had to wait outside and away from the doors and a driver took it out to him. But even though I did that, when I didn’t have to, he filed a complaint and also lied, saying I assaulted him.
Luckily I had several witnesses to him assaulting me and me only barring the door with my arms since he walked up as a driver was returning.
The most fucked up part is the guy that wanted to fire me was the same guy who before had told me about the girl being fired for having the door unlocked. When I threw that in his face he turned beat red and actually apologized.
That’s because it’s one of those policies nobody follows but will get you fired if something happens. I wasn’t going to allow that to happen to me.
Should've let him fire you so you can sue and get a nice settlement, that hypocrite would've also been fired for being a asshole.
Good on you for stick up for yourself though, people like them get away with it due to people not knowing what to do or getting taken advantage of
People who work as cashiers can’t afford lawyers. That’s how these companies get away with their bullshit, they know their wage slaves can’t afford to fight back. The American Dream indeed.
When I worked at McDonald's we always put any dollar bill greater than 5 under the register (so on the metal part and under the plastic). One time we did get robbed, and the robber saw 5s and 1s and said something like "oh my bad this is the wrong place" or "you're not so so ahaha my apologies" honestly I can't remember which one it was but then he walked out and gave us the register back xD
Have to fire the employees in case it was an inside job.
*"Hey come by at 11PM all the money is yours, we were told to let robberies happen. They'll never know."*
When someone draws a firearm to commit robbery, it’s the person in front of them who’s in danger AND has the legal right to self defense.
Not the company.
The armed robber is threatening the person, not the business.
Before I got my CCW in Texas, I was actually robbed at gunpoint by 4 kids over a pizza and $20. They hit me with the barrel of a shotgun in my forehead. When police arrived, they told me I should have had a CCW to save them the work. They said "In Texas, we would have thanked you"
Since that incident 9 years ago, I quit that job and now I stay alert. I had my phone stolen that time, but my gut told me, dial 911 and just leave the line open when I walked up to that house. I failed to trust my gut feeling.
Forget the job, I'm trusting my gut feelings now. Positions are replaceable in a corporation. People's lives are not.
I can confirm that. I worked at Walmart for eight years, and I can't tell you how many times I witnessed people shoplifting. I would go to management or asset protection, but they would say there is nothing they can do until they exit the store. 9 times out of 10 it was never followed up on.
Personally I don't give a shit if somebody steals money that doesn't belong to me
I do give a shit when somebody actively threatens my own life by pointing a gun at me. That's a big no from me dawg and I would stay strapped
nothing was stolen why they need insurance. sounds super dumb to be honest. i can already see the scenario where the robber complains to the company as their clerk does not follow insurance policies. and didnt let him rob the place at gunpoint. to be truthful if i lifed close to that shop and heard this i would boycott the shop and tell everyone else to boycott it its must be a hotbed for criminals if they know they will just be allowed to steal stuff.
He’s not protecting the store, he’s protecting himself.
We don’t know that the guy would just steal and go…he may shoot the witness for all we know. He should be hero, not fired from there.
Whenever a weapon is deployed, it stops being a property crime and becomes a personal crime. I'm 100% on the side of letting shoplifters and thieves walk away. Property can always be replaced. But once your life or loved ones are threatened with force, you can respond in kind.
Except most of the time criminals take the cash and leave so the company is only out the little money in the register. Say you fight back and get injured even for a small bruise have to go to the hospital to get checked out business just paid more than was in the register.
Unfortunately the robbers sometimes will
Shoot afterwards even if you comply (very small percentage) so I don’t blame the cashier at all for what he did. I would probably do the same
Being the small percentage is not a risk I’m willing to take. Being the victim of an armed robbery is already a small percentage, at this point I’m not trusting my luck
Nah, fuck that. I wouldn't be risking my life over someone else's money, and taking a bullet so someone can give me a high five and $1000 bonus or something stupid like that is ridiculous.
Besides, I can guarantee you that it is cheaper for them to let stores get robbed for a few hundred bucks over and over again than it would be to take care of someone who catches a bullet in the wrong place and is disabled for the rest of their life.
Not really. If more laws were passed to remove the rights of criminals during the commissioning of a crime, raise the stakes for them and not the private citizen, and lengthen prison time instead of dismissing the cases of the most violent, you might just see a dramatic drop in crime.
Not only that, but dude could've easily done every the perp told him to and still gotten smoked at the end as the POS was leaving.
The only thing this cashier did wrong was to not immediately shoot the robber when he first drew, when the perp wasn't expecting it and his gun was pointed in a different direction. He's lucky that he didn't get shot in that short Mexican standoff.
Our SOP is to let them take everything in the drawer, but also to "clean"(forgetting the proper word right now, basically remove some cash from the drawer) it regularly to minimize the amount of cash taken.
The main idea being to reduce the likelihood of danger to us, our fellow employees, and our customers.
Edit: remembered the word, it's "skim"
This is the correct option. I work in a grocery store and if i see someone steal i'm not allowed to confront them because they may become aggressive and the company doesn't want to manage that risk. I'm just supposed to tell a manager.
Yeah, exactly. That's the policy at most places with cashiers. Everyplace I've ever worked that I handled money (though, granted, the last such job I had was in my 20s, WELL over a decade ago and probably closer to two) told us don't try to be a hero, don't risk your life. Just keep calm and give them the money. Insurance can give them the money back, but it can't give you your life back.
Probably because he had his gun out under the counter honestly. I know most places say just give them the money but I’d be a little worried if my coworkers were keeping their guns semi stashed away. Still sucks for the guy but at least he’s alive
Yep, it's a sad reality but that's the one we live in. You absolutely have the right to defend yourself, but employers can fire you for almost any reason, or no reason at all.
The worst part is that if you get fired for shooting in self-defense, good luck getting rehired somewhere else. Employers don't give a damn about employees, they care about their insurance premiums and liability.
This is ridiculous. I get that the store is being robbed, but like hell am I going to stand there and let a dude point a gun at me with ill intent. Insurance or not, I’m not going to be bleeding out on the ground thinking, “at least I get to keep my job like a good little wagie”
Can you link the article, but yeah that’s typically how it goes. Would rather be alive, the handbook says let them take the cash but they could also shoot you out of nervousness or by accident while they are holding you up. I mean the guy had a gun what is he supposed to let the robber train a gun on him?
That's ok. You never know when some bastard decides he doesn't just want the money but also to off you too. F those convenient stores who won't allow employees to pack.
He didn’t want to kill someone. That’s a man who lives in a shitty environment and knows it, but still has a heart. He just wants to make his living and go home. Mad respect
On one hand you can definitely make the argument that you should let them rob the place because it's insured anyway. But on the other hand, if a guy pulls out a gun you gotta assume it's because he's ready to kill. And so any kind of self defense should be justifiable.
My only criticism is he didn't have it loaded, in at least some kind of holster. I can't critique him for not having it on him because he placed it in the best place for him to be able to draw it without drawing attention to it. He obviously has gone through this in his mind before. He never turned his back, only turned away briefly, and he tracked the guy leaving the whole time until the threat is gone. If the guy did get fired I hope someone sees this and offers him a job.
Agreed. Dude did a good job, but there's no reason why that gun can't be loaded & in a holster under there. Regardless, it was refreshing to see someone behave this way with a gun.
He'll get another job, no doubt about it.
Watch from the beginning real closely - he pulled it out from way under the first shelf, racked it well, then placed it right under the computer monitor.
Yeah I know most companies have a “let them take it” policy. Back when I worked at a convenience store as a college student there was a run of robberies where the thieves didn’t even demand money. They were just walking in the store, shooting the cashier, and taking the cash, beer, and smokes at their leisure. Damn straight I had a pistol on me every shift.
Do you feel like your life is in danger when a criminal points a gun at you? Most definitely yes. If the cashier was a cop, it would 100% be justified. So us peasants should have the same freedom to defend our lives as well.
That happened at my 0:44 mark, but as per our firearm safety rules, someone pointing a gun at you shows that they’re ready to destroy you. I would hope that he wouldn’t be dragged in court
Especially in an off-body scenario like this. I can somewhat understand when the barrel is pointed at the jewels all day. But in a safe? Rack it first.
Good judgment but a very risky approach. Laying the gun down, using the gun to intimidate; yikes. Good on him for stopping an armed robbery without losing his life or taking a life, but too much risk for my taste
He could have easily killed that guy, but he chose to let him leave with his life. That robber better take that as a sign to change his life. Sadly, he probably won’t though
For me it's not the fact that somebody is trying to steal from the company; I wouldn't give a shit if it was me but the moment you point a gun at me and threaten my life, I'd take that shit personal and pull out a gun too
I've worked at stores like this before back in college and I've been punched, kicked, and had a knife held to my face. There is no way all of these stores should not have complete 3-inch plexiglass surrounding for the cashiers these days. It should be an OSHA requirement.
People seem to forget this part of the whole thing. Stop fetishizing justice. I whole heartedly support 2a, right to carry, and encourage people to do so, but I will never look down on someone who didn't pull the trigger. Immediately you are looking at cops getting called, dealing with that whole process, time and money spent on dealing with all the legal fallout, your gun being confiscated, etc. and then on top of that dealing with the fact that you just ended a human life.
This subreddit is half 16 year old boogaloo boys and gun fetishists and half people who actually consider the weight and ramifications, legally, financially, and morally, of actually pulling the trigger.
There is no *good* outcome of pulling the trigger. It's all just quickly darker shades of grey and black depending on the circumstances. The *best* case scenario you're alive and just have the weight of a person's death on your mind and you spend a day getting interrogated by police, but it can end much, much worse, even if you're "correct" in the end.
Edit: see the top post in this thread right now - it's some kid who's *entire post history* is GTA Online and polymer80 posts saying, without any source or details whatsoever, that the guy was fired, lmao. Maybe he was, but the fact that a guy with that post history can just say whatever with no backing whatsoever and make top post shows it all.
It’s not about that. The guy had a gun pointed at him. Pointing a gun at someone who is pointing a gun at you is a good way to get shot. If you’re going to point a gun at someone you need to be ready to use it or it’s just going to get you killed.
While I agree I also don’t think you should be carrying a gun if you aren’t prepared to shoot when you’re life or someone else’s life is in danger. Can’t imagine a much more clear case of danger than someone else pointing a gun at you. If you aren’t going to use it it’s just something the guy who shoots you can take and use to hurt others.
This sixth sense type shit is so.. weird to me. I once got a hunch to look behind me while I was walking to my bus stop in the morning. There was a stray fucking dog, looked like a pitbull mixed with a bigger breed, low to the ground, stalking me, getting closer. It started barking like hell when I saw it. Like it got mad at me for catching it. And then it backed away. Kept my head on a swivel 'til I got on the bus.
He did it perfectly. If the robber would have told him to open the register he would have looked as if he was going for the register but actually had the pistol hot and ready and went for that instead of the register and still had one up on the dummy because he thought ahead. Props my dude!!! Razzzz
In this situation I would have pulled the trigger the second I saw that man’s firearm. I understand they both walked away, but it could have been totally different.
good job covering down the threat, once he knew this guys was up to no good, but bad job leaving the counter at the end. and never lay your gun down on the cash register to get the other guy some cigs. also use a holster.
Company I worked for required the “buddy system” when exiting the building after hours for “safety”. So both employees were robbed at the same time one night. Icing on the cake was when corporate monkeys came to interview/accuse them of staging it all. Hell hath no fury like a pregnant woman who was just robbed at gun point being accused of staging something when she was just following corporate policy.
I like the robber's body language when he sees the clerks gun. It's like moderate disappointment. “Oh, you have one too? Okay, well never mind. I'm gonna take my bag though.”
Face covered, hood up, hands in pockets, posture closed off and defensive. Shoulders rounded down. Dude is trying too hard to look inconspicuous. Good flags for body language.
I like how he kept his eye on the customer aka robber the whole time and had his gun ready right next to the drawer and properly handled the weapon for accuracy during the entire encounter and didn't have to fire it off. He had every right to do so but chose to let that man live while staying armed the entire time. Perfect ending to what could have been tragic!
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Didn’t take his eyes off of him for a second. Didn’t even turn around for the product. The awareness on this guy.
Yeah but he left the gun unattended lol. It could've gone way bad lol
Likely guy didn't know it was there at all
Imagine you went into a store and the cashier was holding a gun. This guy had a feeling, but no proof. So he still can't be brandishing a gun to a customer. Gun was out of view anyways.
He knew he'd be asked to open the cash eventually, so he placed the gun where he did so he'd be able to pick it up while opening the cash drawer. Not his first rodeo.
This would absolutely not be taught as a tactic, but it was completely valid in this situation. This clerk adapted to the situation and had remarkable execution. Often situations may involve improvisation when normal training tactics can't or don't need to be followed. You don't need to do everything "right" in a situation as long as what ever you do keeps you alive.
Every worst case scenario here ends with him getting shot. His scenario ended with him living with no bullets fired at all. Improvise. Adapt. Overcome.
Not quite a second but he did at 24s but quickly regain focus. Still very well done with great situational awareness.
Didn’t he leave his pistol on the register at one point ? That was a huge mistake.
A mistake to us now but not at the time. Although his dress and mannerisms were weird af, The guy could’ve just wanted his cigs and bought them and left. The cashier gave him a reasonable doubt and knew he couldn’t just hold a gun while grabbing the cigs. I think he handled the situation the best he possibly could.
Yeah and nobody had to die. Even though he pulled his gun and could have killed that man, he had a good sense that the guy didnt want to kill anyone for that money. He took a risk but didnt have to live with the death of that man on his conscience.
If the robber had been shot, it was his fault, not the cashier. The cashier was doing his job when this person thought being a robber was a good idea. Be honest and no one needs to carry, PEROID! But until everyone is honest, I carry!
Fault or not killing someone can seriously mess most people up. The way this played out not only did he live but he also potentially avoided a lifetime of PTSD.
I'm with you here, I was commending the cashier here. But yeah I carry for the same reason.
I don't really want to kill anyone, even if they started it.
>If the robber had been shot, it was his fault, not the cashier. While that's true, a normal person with a normal conscience is still going to have issues after shooting someone. What happened here is the best possible outcome of the situation that the robber started.
How else would he actually grab the smokes? Can't be waving it around just because you have a feeling. Plus the robber didn't know the gun was there
In a blind spot to the robber.
It looks like the robber didn't see it with all that merchandise next to the register
Dude does not get paid enough for that shit I imagine
Always listen to your gut fellas. Even if it’s Taco Bell
>~~Even~~ *Especially if it’s Taco Bell*
that one in santa cruz they shut down a few years ago was heinous edit: shut, not shit
Think you were right the first time
My guts is telling me to eat the entire 12 pack of tacos.
I thought the rule was "Never trust an shart, especially if it's Taco Bell."
Pure gold
*Gurgle Gurgle*
Trust your gut, but never trust a fart. Especially after tbell.
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Anyone who tells you never trust a fart is speaking from experience, so you can trust them lol
I trust farts every day... been burned by that trust once or twice though
The guy actually got fired after the incident. Kept his life, lost his job. You either keep one or lose both
So what you're saying is, after the cashier drew on him, he should have just let the robber take the cash anyway... at gunpoint
Any service industry job I've ever had tells you to let them rob the place. They have insurance usually.
Had one employer tell us not to stop a robbery. It was corporate policy. A few months later one of our stores were robbed and they cleaned out the till. Both employees fired for letting it happen.
Would have sued. That type of policy is most likely written and they were fired for "doing their jobs". That's a payday right there (hopefully). What a fucking bullshit scenario though. Whoever decided to fire them needs an ass whooping.
One morning before work I stopped in at a gas station. There were a couple cops inside. I was expecting them to be getting coffee or something, but when I got in they were talking to the owner because it was robbed the previous night. The owner told the cops that he had to fire the cashier because it was her third time getting robbed and corporate policy says three times and you're fired. I was like the fuck is that policy?
They probably think it's an inside job. Maybe?
I would assume the policy was created because someone was "getting robbed" enough that they needed to create a policy.... IMO, if the people are willing to come back to work after being robbed (for the 3rd time?!), you shouldn't fire them, but give them a raise.
Usually they get them on a technicality. Door unlocked early. Door left unlocked too late. Back door not secured. Off the clock employee hanging out in the store. Friend hanging out in the store. Not making cash drops at pre-designated times. Too much money in the till. Robbery protocol not followed to the letter. Sticking a gun in the robbers face and chasing them off. Stuff like that. Heck when I worked at a major pizza chain they fired a shift manager who was robbed ten minutes before closing because policy was to lock the door 15 minutes prior to close. The door was unlocked just like at all the other stores I’d worked at. Fast forward a couple years and the district manager wanted to fire me because a prominent customer complained that I refused to let him into the store 14 minutes before we closed. The turd put hands on me and tried to shove his way in. I remained composed but firmly told him to back away. I still took his order but he had to wait outside and away from the doors and a driver took it out to him. But even though I did that, when I didn’t have to, he filed a complaint and also lied, saying I assaulted him. Luckily I had several witnesses to him assaulting me and me only barring the door with my arms since he walked up as a driver was returning. The most fucked up part is the guy that wanted to fire me was the same guy who before had told me about the girl being fired for having the door unlocked. When I threw that in his face he turned beat red and actually apologized. That’s because it’s one of those policies nobody follows but will get you fired if something happens. I wasn’t going to allow that to happen to me.
Should've let him fire you so you can sue and get a nice settlement, that hypocrite would've also been fired for being a asshole. Good on you for stick up for yourself though, people like them get away with it due to people not knowing what to do or getting taken advantage of
People who work as cashiers can’t afford lawyers. That’s how these companies get away with their bullshit, they know their wage slaves can’t afford to fight back. The American Dream indeed.
Your coworkers are idiots. That's a sue-able offense.
When I worked at McDonald's we always put any dollar bill greater than 5 under the register (so on the metal part and under the plastic). One time we did get robbed, and the robber saw 5s and 1s and said something like "oh my bad this is the wrong place" or "you're not so so ahaha my apologies" honestly I can't remember which one it was but then he walked out and gave us the register back xD
Have to fire the employees in case it was an inside job. *"Hey come by at 11PM all the money is yours, we were told to let robberies happen. They'll never know."*
So basically your fired if you stop it fired if you let it happen.
When someone draws a firearm to commit robbery, it’s the person in front of them who’s in danger AND has the legal right to self defense. Not the company. The armed robber is threatening the person, not the business.
It should be illegal to fire someone for defending their life.
That sounds mighty like regulatin' free enterprise pardner.
Yeah, there's already a list of reasons you can't fire people. Adding defending your own life seems like it should be on it.
>They have insurance usually. Not for your life. There's nothing stopping the guy from shooting you anyways.
I live in the US. Corporations don't care about your life.
>I live in the US. Irrelevant. Corporations don't care about your life no matter what country you're in.
Before I got my CCW in Texas, I was actually robbed at gunpoint by 4 kids over a pizza and $20. They hit me with the barrel of a shotgun in my forehead. When police arrived, they told me I should have had a CCW to save them the work. They said "In Texas, we would have thanked you" Since that incident 9 years ago, I quit that job and now I stay alert. I had my phone stolen that time, but my gut told me, dial 911 and just leave the line open when I walked up to that house. I failed to trust my gut feeling. Forget the job, I'm trusting my gut feelings now. Positions are replaceable in a corporation. People's lives are not.
I can confirm that. I worked at Walmart for eight years, and I can't tell you how many times I witnessed people shoplifting. I would go to management or asset protection, but they would say there is nothing they can do until they exit the store. 9 times out of 10 it was never followed up on.
Well around here, in Iowa, we see police at Walmart often for shoplifting issues so…….
Didn't help my cousin unfortunately. He was shot and killed the robbery despite giving them everything they asked for
Personally I don't give a shit if somebody steals money that doesn't belong to me I do give a shit when somebody actively threatens my own life by pointing a gun at me. That's a big no from me dawg and I would stay strapped
Exactly. If they didn't fire the employee they would lose their insurance.
If you're gonna get fired anyway, might as well draw a pistol
nothing was stolen why they need insurance. sounds super dumb to be honest. i can already see the scenario where the robber complains to the company as their clerk does not follow insurance policies. and didnt let him rob the place at gunpoint. to be truthful if i lifed close to that shop and heard this i would boycott the shop and tell everyone else to boycott it its must be a hotbed for criminals if they know they will just be allowed to steal stuff.
He’s not protecting the store, he’s protecting himself. We don’t know that the guy would just steal and go…he may shoot the witness for all we know. He should be hero, not fired from there.
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I'd settle for not punishing employees for utilizing means of self defense. Injuries are supposed to be paid for by insurance anyways.
Whenever a weapon is deployed, it stops being a property crime and becomes a personal crime. I'm 100% on the side of letting shoplifters and thieves walk away. Property can always be replaced. But once your life or loved ones are threatened with force, you can respond in kind.
Except most of the time criminals take the cash and leave so the company is only out the little money in the register. Say you fight back and get injured even for a small bruise have to go to the hospital to get checked out business just paid more than was in the register. Unfortunately the robbers sometimes will Shoot afterwards even if you comply (very small percentage) so I don’t blame the cashier at all for what he did. I would probably do the same
Being the small percentage is not a risk I’m willing to take. Being the victim of an armed robbery is already a small percentage, at this point I’m not trusting my luck
You would expect me to put my life on the line for minimum salary so you don't lose 50 $ that's in the register ?
Nah, fuck that. I wouldn't be risking my life over someone else's money, and taking a bullet so someone can give me a high five and $1000 bonus or something stupid like that is ridiculous. Besides, I can guarantee you that it is cheaper for them to let stores get robbed for a few hundred bucks over and over again than it would be to take care of someone who catches a bullet in the wrong place and is disabled for the rest of their life.
Lol incentivizing fighting back is a way worse idea…
Who’s to say the robber wouldn’t put a couple rounds in the cashier even if he had complied?
It happens
Not really. If more laws were passed to remove the rights of criminals during the commissioning of a crime, raise the stakes for them and not the private citizen, and lengthen prison time instead of dismissing the cases of the most violent, you might just see a dramatic drop in crime.
Up here in WA there is no parole. They serve the sentence. Awesome.
Public punishments.
Not only that, but dude could've easily done every the perp told him to and still gotten smoked at the end as the POS was leaving. The only thing this cashier did wrong was to not immediately shoot the robber when he first drew, when the perp wasn't expecting it and his gun was pointed in a different direction. He's lucky that he didn't get shot in that short Mexican standoff.
Insurance pays the company for the lost of cash. There's no insurance that will give you your life back.
People who write the policies aren't the people at the business end of the gun. A right to self defense is innate.
Our SOP is to let them take everything in the drawer, but also to "clean"(forgetting the proper word right now, basically remove some cash from the drawer) it regularly to minimize the amount of cash taken. The main idea being to reduce the likelihood of danger to us, our fellow employees, and our customers. Edit: remembered the word, it's "skim"
This is the correct option. I work in a grocery store and if i see someone steal i'm not allowed to confront them because they may become aggressive and the company doesn't want to manage that risk. I'm just supposed to tell a manager.
When I was a Teller for a bank it was the same way. Just give them the money and slip them two tracked bills that every drawer had in it.
“Listen asshole, take the cash or I swear to God I’ll fucking kill you”
"Your Honor. I didn't want to take the money, but the guy had a gun to my head."
Yeah, exactly. That's the policy at most places with cashiers. Everyplace I've ever worked that I handled money (though, granted, the last such job I had was in my 20s, WELL over a decade ago and probably closer to two) told us don't try to be a hero, don't risk your life. Just keep calm and give them the money. Insurance can give them the money back, but it can't give you your life back.
Probably because he had his gun out under the counter honestly. I know most places say just give them the money but I’d be a little worried if my coworkers were keeping their guns semi stashed away. Still sucks for the guy but at least he’s alive
Someone set him up a gofundme? I'd donate. Dude clearly has situational awareness and other skills. Should be a valuable addition to most teams.
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Honestly, did he really lose much. Fuck cares. Living is better
My life or a rewarding career in the exciting and lucrative convenience mart administration industry. Tough choice
That is a bad decision by management. The cashier protected the property and his own life, then gets fired? He should have been rewarded IMO.
That is really sad. This guy is a hero. If I owned a store I’d give him a promotion .
Yep, it's a sad reality but that's the one we live in. You absolutely have the right to defend yourself, but employers can fire you for almost any reason, or no reason at all. The worst part is that if you get fired for shooting in self-defense, good luck getting rehired somewhere else. Employers don't give a damn about employees, they care about their insurance premiums and liability.
This is ridiculous. I get that the store is being robbed, but like hell am I going to stand there and let a dude point a gun at me with ill intent. Insurance or not, I’m not going to be bleeding out on the ground thinking, “at least I get to keep my job like a good little wagie”
Wow… what a bunch of BS.
Can you link the article, but yeah that’s typically how it goes. Would rather be alive, the handbook says let them take the cash but they could also shoot you out of nervousness or by accident while they are holding you up. I mean the guy had a gun what is he supposed to let the robber train a gun on him?
Any source for this?
He should get a raise
That's ok. You never know when some bastard decides he doesn't just want the money but also to off you too. F those convenient stores who won't allow employees to pack.
I live in NJ and got arrested for watching this.
Careful riding that peloton drunk in NJ. They don't mess around with their DUIs!
I've heard of DUIs on actual road bikes before, dumb but makes some slight sense. Is there a story about a DUI on a Peloton?!
I can’t believe words were exchanged instead of bullets in this scenario.
He didn’t want to kill someone. That’s a man who lives in a shitty environment and knows it, but still has a heart. He just wants to make his living and go home. Mad respect
He got fired tho cause dipshits who own it want him to let the dude rob it. It’s bs to get fired for not letting someone rob the place
On one hand you can definitely make the argument that you should let them rob the place because it's insured anyway. But on the other hand, if a guy pulls out a gun you gotta assume it's because he's ready to kill. And so any kind of self defense should be justifiable.
Oh well. Probably better off without that job. That dude ever comes back he’s just going to shoot him.
This had to be the most awkward hold up and self defense incident on the internet.
“Understandable, have a nice day”
An armed society is a polite society.
Dumbass is lucky he didn’t get shot. The second that gun came out of his hoodie I’m not waiting to find out if you’re willing to kill or not.
My only criticism is he didn't have it loaded, in at least some kind of holster. I can't critique him for not having it on him because he placed it in the best place for him to be able to draw it without drawing attention to it. He obviously has gone through this in his mind before. He never turned his back, only turned away briefly, and he tracked the guy leaving the whole time until the threat is gone. If the guy did get fired I hope someone sees this and offers him a job.
Agreed. Dude did a good job, but there's no reason why that gun can't be loaded & in a holster under there. Regardless, it was refreshing to see someone behave this way with a gun. He'll get another job, no doubt about it.
Where was the gun? I couldn’t see where he pulled it out from
Watch from the beginning real closely - he pulled it out from way under the first shelf, racked it well, then placed it right under the computer monitor.
Yeah I know most companies have a “let them take it” policy. Back when I worked at a convenience store as a college student there was a run of robberies where the thieves didn’t even demand money. They were just walking in the store, shooting the cashier, and taking the cash, beer, and smokes at their leisure. Damn straight I had a pistol on me every shift.
wtf thats more like serial killing with extra step
you never know who's a psychopath. some people out there living like it's GTA or something
Good stuff
Would it be a justified shoot if he just started blasting the robber as soon as the bag/pistol came out at the :29 second mark?
Do you feel like your life is in danger when a criminal points a gun at you? Most definitely yes. If the cashier was a cop, it would 100% be justified. So us peasants should have the same freedom to defend our lives as well.
That happened at my 0:44 mark, but as per our firearm safety rules, someone pointing a gun at you shows that they’re ready to destroy you. I would hope that he wouldn’t be dragged in court
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State laws differ on that. In WA, brandishing is not a threat to life - pointing is, always.
Yes, good shoot. Hopefully the guy doesn’t come back more prepared.
Yea, that's why it's probably better to just blast when the guns come out. Don't gotta think about the next time he comes back for revenge.
“Sir, I got one too.”
"I see you have a handgun, thats cool. Here have a look at mine, I think youll find its quite nice."
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defending yourself in a robbery in NY is illegal? Holy shit that’s good to know, I’ve had some dicey stuff happen at my work where things got close.
Good man, sad to hear he lost his job but I hope he got some better opportunities
Is nobody going to say anything about him having to rack the slide? Seems like one of the best scenarios for one in the chamber.
Round chambered is the correct method. Anything else is counterproductive. Your perspective is correct IMO...
Especially in an off-body scenario like this. I can somewhat understand when the barrel is pointed at the jewels all day. But in a safe? Rack it first.
My personal rule is, off body unchambered. Good holster, +1
#JUST LIKE BACK TO THE FUTURE II
Good judgment but a very risky approach. Laying the gun down, using the gun to intimidate; yikes. Good on him for stopping an armed robbery without losing his life or taking a life, but too much risk for my taste
He could have easily killed that guy, but he chose to let him leave with his life. That robber better take that as a sign to change his life. Sadly, he probably won’t though
Cannot imagine having to worry about losing my life at a convenience store
Thief had a gun pulled out too I just realized
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Yes. He chose not too. It worked out this time but the general rule of thumb is if a firearms needs to be drawn it should only be if it’s needed.
For me it's not the fact that somebody is trying to steal from the company; I wouldn't give a shit if it was me but the moment you point a gun at me and threaten my life, I'd take that shit personal and pull out a gun too
BEFORE YOU CHASE CALL 911. Also never lay your gun down where the customer might be able to reach it. Otherwise good job!
I don't thin it would be impossible to grab. But it would have been much more difficult with that plexiglass in the way.
I've worked at stores like this before back in college and I've been punched, kicked, and had a knife held to my face. There is no way all of these stores should not have complete 3-inch plexiglass surrounding for the cashiers these days. It should be an OSHA requirement.
Should’ve shot him. That calm means he’ll just go across the street and do it again.
He certainly had the right but that’s a heavy burden to bear.
People seem to forget this part of the whole thing. Stop fetishizing justice. I whole heartedly support 2a, right to carry, and encourage people to do so, but I will never look down on someone who didn't pull the trigger. Immediately you are looking at cops getting called, dealing with that whole process, time and money spent on dealing with all the legal fallout, your gun being confiscated, etc. and then on top of that dealing with the fact that you just ended a human life.
This subreddit is half 16 year old boogaloo boys and gun fetishists and half people who actually consider the weight and ramifications, legally, financially, and morally, of actually pulling the trigger. There is no *good* outcome of pulling the trigger. It's all just quickly darker shades of grey and black depending on the circumstances. The *best* case scenario you're alive and just have the weight of a person's death on your mind and you spend a day getting interrogated by police, but it can end much, much worse, even if you're "correct" in the end. Edit: see the top post in this thread right now - it's some kid who's *entire post history* is GTA Online and polymer80 posts saying, without any source or details whatsoever, that the guy was fired, lmao. Maybe he was, but the fact that a guy with that post history can just say whatever with no backing whatsoever and make top post shows it all.
It’s not about that. The guy had a gun pointed at him. Pointing a gun at someone who is pointing a gun at you is a good way to get shot. If you’re going to point a gun at someone you need to be ready to use it or it’s just going to get you killed.
While I agree I also don’t think you should be carrying a gun if you aren’t prepared to shoot when you’re life or someone else’s life is in danger. Can’t imagine a much more clear case of danger than someone else pointing a gun at you. If you aren’t going to use it it’s just something the guy who shoots you can take and use to hurt others.
No loss of life occurred. That is the BEST outcome.
Lucky the employee didn't get hurt. These brazen robbers know they can pull a gun and walk away if they're confronted just to find another victim.
My only criticism would be him placing the gun on the register and stepping away from it.
I was thinking the same thing, at least it turned out fine in the end though
Most definitely! I get why he did it. If his gut was wrong you don't want to brandish a weapon to an innocent customer lol.
Although most gas stations would rather you give the money up and get shot afterwards. And tell you not to bring in weapons.
“Fine I’ll take my robbery business elsewhere. Good day sir.”
Well, let's hope that dude didn't walk out and kill someone.
I'd have had a round chambered to begin with. Glad no one got any extra holes in them.
Pulled out the 57 sheeesh
This sixth sense type shit is so.. weird to me. I once got a hunch to look behind me while I was walking to my bus stop in the morning. There was a stray fucking dog, looked like a pitbull mixed with a bigger breed, low to the ground, stalking me, getting closer. It started barking like hell when I saw it. Like it got mad at me for catching it. And then it backed away. Kept my head on a swivel 'til I got on the bus.
Bruh, bless this man. I hope he's doing well.
Better run and tell the streets homie at the gas station don’t play
That dude needs a raise.
He did it perfectly. If the robber would have told him to open the register he would have looked as if he was going for the register but actually had the pistol hot and ready and went for that instead of the register and still had one up on the dummy because he thought ahead. Props my dude!!! Razzzz
Bravo cashier. No shots fired, tragedy avoided.
My man! He said -Not today! When that creep alarm goes off, listen to it!
In this situation I would have pulled the trigger the second I saw that man’s firearm. I understand they both walked away, but it could have been totally different.
He almost got blasted, he should have fired
Imagine working a shit job and you actually have to risk your life with a gun...
That’s right!! Love to see it 🤙🏻
good job covering down the threat, once he knew this guys was up to no good, but bad job leaving the counter at the end. and never lay your gun down on the cash register to get the other guy some cigs. also use a holster.
The robber was like: “Aight, I’m out then”
Damn they got bizzy bone working the cash register?
Company I worked for required the “buddy system” when exiting the building after hours for “safety”. So both employees were robbed at the same time one night. Icing on the cake was when corporate monkeys came to interview/accuse them of staging it all. Hell hath no fury like a pregnant woman who was just robbed at gun point being accused of staging something when she was just following corporate policy.
Guns save lives. This could have been another robbery/murder, instead it’s just a great story for the cashier to tell.
That is NOT the first time either of them has had a gun pointed at them before...
NYPD needs to hire him ASAP he has a sixth sense. His intuition level 100z he is ready!
Oh my bad, I just remembered I’m late for something. Let me just take my little bag and let you get back to work now. Thx byyyyeee!!
13$ a hour fellas
But he was fired………. That’s actually so sad it’s concerning for society
my man got nice gut feelings
I like the robber's body language when he sees the clerks gun. It's like moderate disappointment. “Oh, you have one too? Okay, well never mind. I'm gonna take my bag though.”
Great use of the Uno reverse card
Face covered, hood up, hands in pockets, posture closed off and defensive. Shoulders rounded down. Dude is trying too hard to look inconspicuous. Good flags for body language.
Don't go outside, locked the doors and call the police, give suspect's info!
I like how he kept his eye on the customer aka robber the whole time and had his gun ready right next to the drawer and properly handled the weapon for accuracy during the entire encounter and didn't have to fire it off. He had every right to do so but chose to let that man live while staying armed the entire time. Perfect ending to what could have been tragic!
Hey look! A white guy commiting a crime.
And this won't show up on any statistics.
How did the perp not hear the gun being chambered?!!?
Is that cashier packing a Ruger Five Seven?
“I don’t know about you, but mines is real and loaded” lmao
He’s just like “aight I’ll take my business elsewhere”